This Is World of Warcraft In 2024
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- by @Xaryu • My Response to Asmongo...
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GDKP would be interesting if you couldn't buy gold... the fact that you can buy gold from Blizzard and third-party sellers so it's literal Pay to Win loot, everything about that is bad.
Agreed. In a "normal" environment that would be interesting. A server whose economy hasn't been warped by botters and gold buyers. But we know thats just a dream.
unfortunately the entire AH is P2W, so are epic mounts and leveling your professions and the list goes on.
Sadly the people buying gold for GDKPs will still buy gold for the 300g BoE BiS items or PreBis, for the 50gold Black Lotus Flasks, for their 1000g Epic Mount and the list goes on.
While i don't care about GDKPs because I'm purely a WCL Parse Monkey so we do guild speed runs and so on, when you have to remove community liberties to help fix things like RMT, you are going down a potentially slippery slope. It's like removing the ability for all cars to go above the speed limit to prevent people from speeding on public roads. (extreme example i guess).
But hey, blizz has to start somewhere, and trying out new policies in the experimental leveling phases of SoD sounds good enough to me.
GDKP should be a permaban in ANY situation.
That sounds pretty bad too tbh. Not everyone has a billion hours to farm for gold.
@@MikeyPaperno, buying gold should be. Nothing wrong with gdkp’s. You can make a lot of gold in game. It’s a good way for people to make gold and to get gear they can’t get in their guild because they are new to that guild and are way down on the wait list for gear. And if you’ve hustled, you should be able to buy gear to help you raid. Buying gold needs to be cracked down on more
Imagine paying for level25 dungeon loot you can pug in less than an hour
And every 3 days
not really, it was nice for 2-3 weeks. Now it it fully gate-keeped and ppl wont invite you if you dont have bis-gear, it is like "only curved" in hc raid on retail.
@@Goldrosi hit cap 3 weeks ago and i make my own pugs. Ive cleared every 3 days since 😂 just dont be lazy and make your own group
Not everyone is in your same financial situation.
I play with a guild and the same hour i dinged 25 i did the raid with them.. i dont understand how people can pay for content that is easier then a retail dungeon
All i heard was "As a raid leader I make 10% off the top and since im not going to be able to make easy money for my videogame, im quitting."
my response... "GOOD!"
yeah he can quit mabye get a job on mac donald pays equally ??
Issue is that there are soooo many GDKP enjoyers - not only people who make profit on it. I bet this change alone will reduce the playerbase by a double digit percentage.
wild that you think raid leading which feels like an actual job should be done payless
@@JT-91 ITS A FUCKING GAME
@@TokanovaObjection your honor, relevance?
Asmongold is half right, but getting rid of GDKP also makes guilds matter more. It is time for wow to start going back to its roots of raiding is for guilds.
Which as someone now in an adult life who can't commit to specific raiding times with a guild. I get excluded from raids. Do you feel I and others like me should be excluded?
@@Rzamortis if you cant pug without gdkps, then yes. these raids take 45m
so you can commit to a GDKP raid but not any other raid..? the fuck? that makes zero sense. ever heard of something called a "PUG"? @@Rzamortis
The issue stemming from the OP's point, is that raiding should be guild only which excludes pugs/gdkp's. Therefore as in the population of people who can't commit to weekly raid times I wouldn't be able to join. Popup groups need to be able to exist outside guilds or we can't participate. @@ecMonify
MWGA
WoW be like; "link achivement for invite", but 90% of people have bought their achivement for gold.
well yeah, they wanna see the AV to make sure you're not a poor. They don't wanna play with poor people. If you haven't bought the AV, chances are you also haven't bought gear and consumables. WoW players are totally classist xD
That’s why you have to link. They only run with past customers XD
in retail the link achiv makes me laugh every single time bc of that reason. i click on the player look at logs. oh nice you did 5k damage on last boss of raid in curent retail. gtfo lol next please
Exactly😂😂 shit game
If I owned WoW, I would hire a major accounting firm to review ALL player trades and transactions. I would confiscate any gold piece that I suspected was associated with RMT. That gold would then be redistributed to all players who never participated in RMT. I would award those players with a special title, too. All players who bought gold would have 100% of their gold removed and I would "tax" them for all the gold they ever bought. They would log in to a negative gold amount. 100% justice. I would also publish the findings so outside groups could study the misbehavior and weigh in on the issue. I would not ban anyone.
My experience (and my problem) with GDKP is that unless you are the raid leader, it is frowned upon to raid to make gold. I had a hunter main and a pally alt (in case a healer didn't show). So I had one character every week to run a GDKP with. When I ran it with my pally to gear him up: no problem. When I ran it with my hunter, (who out-geared everyone) to make gold, I was bitched at for not bidding on anything.
That's why you inspect everyone in the raid, see what pieces they want, and bid them up. Now you've both bid on items and made more gold at the end.
It's only a problem if you have all the gear and you are not pumping. So now you want to be carried and not buy gear? I have many toons that are decked out and don't need gear....but GDKPs need pumpers as well
@@matchu4444 I am not sure you can call what I was doing being carried when I brought my hunter. I was the top dps by a wide margin and made certain bosses much easier. I had all the ICC gear and some ICC heroic gear. I just ran the GDKP to make some of the gold back I spent with my pally.
Then there would be no complaints. You're a pumper not a buyer. You would not be expected to buy gear. @@Sideshownicful
@@matchu4444 So he's either talking sh*t or he wasnt pumping. Either way im glad GDKP gets destroyed, it has been the main reason for gold inflation and barrier to entry for years.
Imagine paying for gold to be "competitive" in wow the 20 year old game
20 yo game is kind of irrelevant since sod is brand new, I agree though that paying for gold is wack
@@brodyjanse336 whats new about it except the realm is fresh and they added few spells.
people been buying currency in every game that involves grinding, not sure why. like i dont get whats the point of buying godl to get gear, so u have to play the game less lmao
@@murloc3051 I think a lot of old players don't want to deal with toxicity. I remember frequently meeting a couple of very toxic people doing mythic dungeons ever day that would take the group hostage threatening to quit mid-session if they are not getting all the loot or some other obnoxious demand, often there were harassment and slurs. Then I understood why people would rather pay for gold to trade gold for mythic dungeon or raid carries. I quit the game in early Battle for Azeroth due to burn out.
i hated gdkp so much. it took over the game for the raiding scene and felt like the spirit of the game was being lost.
i'm glad theyre gone for this! it will encourage raiding to be more natural and less of this money turning thing.
True and real, brother
When we're you ever unable to join a guild and raid normally?
You must not be very good at the game then.
@@atr0890 I do, but it just kind of sucks seeing a large portion of the player base not joining guilds and instead solo running raids. Again it's not a skill issue or a terrible choice. It just feels like the spirit of the game is lost when gdkp is dominant
@orphandjones8193 so it doesn't effect you at all you just want other players to not enjoy the game how they want to play it?
He's right about buying gold. I know lots of people that do it. Feels very low risk, never seen anyone even warned.
Bro, i buy gold for like 5 years straight. I buy it only to buy consumables, echants, mats etc. Never got banned. I do my own raiding and own m+ I never used it for boosting, only for convience.
Why? Becuase it is better to spend 5$ for 200k gold and be done with it for a long time rather than spending thens of HOURS on farming herbs or ores becuase you still compete vs 200k chinesee bots so the prices of the mats are stupidly low.
Half a mil on Illidan is 20 bucks, why would I run raid lockouts praying for boe's that don't sell anymore or compete with bots for ore that doesn't sell because of the bots; my guild would buy items I needed from under me in raid and tell me to just buy gold so I did lmao and then we all got bis and quit and went to other games cause retail is fried lmao
used to be different. 10 years ago every WoW player I personally knew had at one time been banned for buying gold. Some for multiple months, some indefinitely. None of them did it again. Blizzard keeps pretending they're doing what they can, but we all know this problem, just as general cheating, has skyrocketed when they layed off like 90% of their active GMs.
ive done it twice in Wotlk, each time felt dirtier
@@Gravewhisper GMs were absolutely partisan trash, good riddance.
Imagine being a raid leader, wasting all your time micromanaging every aspect of your raid party every day, then one day hearing a goblin NPC say "time is money friend", and you have Vietnam flashbacks about all the time you wasted doing this. lol It's like that goblin knows something you don't.
GDKPs also practically nullify gold farming for normal players, because it's more efficient to run GDKPs and get your gold cut, than it is to go farm out in the world and sell things on the AH. If you farm gold the normal way, there's always a thought in the back of your mind that makes you feel like an idiot for wasting your time, which for me, translated into that same feeling towards playing the game as a whole.
Finally they're gone. Won't be missed.
just wait and see
@@biggzzifyRather not
Are they, though?
eat it up
@@alexfaeth6898eat what up? The dog manure on the floor?? I already did!!!
I really wish people that do GDKPs and have never bought gold, didnt get labeled as gold buyer/sellers. I have never bought gold and exclusively do GDKPs. I've done them the entirety of TBC and Wrath. I've always had bis gear and whatever else I wanted. I have shadowmourne, invincible mount, near bis, and more. I have a healthy 400k+ gold. I started with about 5k gold and didn't buy for several runs, and then from there, you're good. As long as you don't overspend, you'll always come out ahead. I know a lot of people buy gold, but I know people I have run with for years that never have and some that spend more real money on gold than a rational person should. I honestly believe people that complain about GDKPs, haven't really ever been apart of a GDKP community or they wouldn't feel the way they do. I have ran with the same people every week for years as part of a GDKP community. They are my guild and my friends.
I’m in the same boat, I’ve gotten geared in era and sod by gdkp. Never bought gold. In fact in SOD I’ve never seen anything go for over what my gm spent on hydra strike sword (30g). It’s hard for me to imagine it has such a negative stigma cause I’ve never had a bad experience, besides getting outbid, which I prefer over someone beating me in an RNG LOL
"Healthy 400k gold" how can it be healthy if you know that 400k is from people who buy gold?
Memba when you just said, 'oh, I need that loot', and then you put your hands on your keyboard and you typed '/roll'?
I memba.
Is still like that
Nah presetting who gets drops so you don't need to sit around for loot every time you raid is the go
To many keys to press. Maybe he can try /rnd (also rolls 100)
The good ol' days
@@TheZeagonnope, that kind of mentality made wow the piece of shit it is today.
The reason I don't like GDKP even in theory is that it's entirely a 'The rich get richer' type of setup. You have a lot of gold, that lets you get the best gear, that lets you compete in the top content, which means you get more gold than the average person, etc.
For anyone except the one player with tons of gold, GDKP's are a waste of time, you're just helping other people get geared up and never yourself. It's a fundamentally unfair system that means that the lowest players will never get a chance to compete.
@@scardan1070 Still, once it's divided up among everyone it's hardly equal value. At least in my experience. Like sure, if they bid 100k gold, you might get 10k gold out of that, but that's not suuuuper helpful if they just bid 100k the next time, and the next, and the next, and when you can finally bid 100k they just pull out their wallet and spend 1mil
@@saphironkindris Most people don't need duplicates of the same item, so once they have placed a large bid first time to get the item, the next time they will not need it and others can bid.
@@saphironkindris If the guy who bid 100K can't buy more gold, then he's probably not going to be able to afford to bid 100K on every raid.
GDKP was essentially the reason I quit Wrath Classic.
I was unable to commit to a raid schedule due to school, so pugging raids seemed like the way to go. The only problem was that 95% of all pug runs were GDKP. I was geared, had good logs, and knew the fights. However, when I asked to join the GDKP runs, the question I was always asked was, "What's your budget?" They wanted a person to buy alot of items and spend alot of gold, essentially a whale, which I was not.
I did not buy gold, and it was noticeable. When a budget of 10k gold is not enough and I was told to bring at least 30k (beginning of Wrath, lol), then you know something is wrong. GDKP runs were perhaps once a good thing, but most of them have lost their way and are now a glorified pyramid scheme for the raid leader to make gold. The overall attitude from players in GDKPs is also some of the worst.
GDKP is literally the most pay2win thing in all of mmo gaming, even the most p2w asian money sinks dont let you just use cash to buy your way into the highest content and then use cash to buy the best items
Bro forgot u can buy gold from blizzard on retail
@austin7521 and without players organizing GDKPs you can't actually use that gold to buy the best raid gear
@@gordonramsayfanatic except you can because there are other methods of this, including the world first guilds selling carries for gold the rest of the patch to make back all the gold they spent racing
@@austin7521 yeah player driven rmt is the problem, should also be something they ban
Only reason asmongold is supportive of gdkp runs is because he hasnt been a normal player since over a decade ago. He gets gear gold and invites for doing less dps than lvl 20 mob…. Gdkps/bots/addons that do everything for you and half this shit have legit ruined the game
what's your gripe with addons? which specifically?
Sounds like you weren't very good at gdkp
It sounds like current gold runs are not like oldschool gold runs, people are not playing the game anymore and just paying their way through it. When I learnt that I see no problem with banning gold runs. However, the problems with buying gold and botting still isn't solved.
@@somedude3269 prob is that u can't literally PLAY the game without those and dome of them are cheating addons (like the one of Mythic Nelthario's echo)
They need to do this and punish people who buy gold as well. They could definitely track gold trades and ban people associated with the Gold Seller. There is a flaw in this method but it would be a great start.
Can track it even better (easier... has always been trackable but easier is the world I mean) now that gold sellers can't just put "Here is the GDKP cut bud thanks" in the mail.
This is * Season of Discovery in 2024*
Technically removing the method is the most efficient and safe way to strike back at it.
With any other loot system if your item doesn’t drop, you lose the roll, loot council doesn’t give it you, you don’t need anything from the raid, you get absolutely nothing for your time and effort contributed. GDKP is the best loot system Blizzard is just ass at policing their game
Translation: I made a fuck ton of gold on GDKP so I think it's great, I don't give a flying fuck how other people have had to deal with it on the other end.
If you buying items in GDKP you never end up in surplus and if you are at point when you don't need items anymore having gold is already pointless because there is nothing you can spend it on so I wonder what's great about it.
@@david-ek2bo Asmon made a fuck ton I meant.
@@monopoman oh well then yea, I'm sure it's great for the guy who organize these runes.
Even if there was 0 gold buying in wow I would still want gdkps out because it makes raids a transaction in or out of game people aren't there because they are having fun they are there for gold and loot. Which usually isn't a big deal but mixed with people never talking and grading people based off their parses and dictating how much of their cut gets given to healers it just becomes more "administrative" work than a easy going ms>os.
If you go into a raid for "fun" I wouldn't want to raid with you. Your there to get the loot and parses are good for whose carrying who. Either get better or get kicked out the group.
It's that simple. You don't raid for fun, your wasting everyone's time because you think it's a vacation. Gtfo here with that BS. When you raid you focus, call mechanics, watch for repositioning, and do your job as a member or not at all and get kicked, then guess what your stuck in town like a pleb chatting or doing your dailys/weekly etc. You don't get better gear, you don't get the clear, your paying sub money to just in town and not play the game.
Dude, I can do good dps while stoned and drinking a beer with no discord... It's a lvl 25 raid with 1 or 2 mechanics per boss. Obviously you are talking about retail or wrath if you are mentioning weeklys and dailys GTFO with that garbage in classic the going to work mentality is for try hard losers. A lot of these dad's and chill boomers guilds don't want to hear get good because we don't need to if I'm blasting on my hunter I'll carry a spriest cuz I like knowing people are playing what they want. It's crazy to think about but some people actually want others to have the holistic true wow experience, it only goes down hill when you bring people that are extremely undergeared and bots into groups which are not the players fault it's the group leader.
@@codywatson9627 "I'll carry a spriest cuz I like knowing people are playing what they want" You said it so well right here. This is the wow experience i desire. I play to have fun and I want those around me to be having fun as well. If i know my guild mate who is playing a "sub optimal" "non meta" spec / class is atleast having a good time with his choices, i'll gladly carry him along, it's not like the content is actually difficult enough that it matters that he's doing 50 less dps or whatever.
@@zonedout3390 imagine playing a video game for fun. how deep in the shiteater zone are you?
@@Nivin_Frostgazethat guy is a smooth brain 🤣 not wanting people to have fun in a videogame 💀
Quit in MoP for school. Considered rejoining until Token was announced. Best decision of my life?
You dodged a bullet
There's no token in sod or classic era
@@ZulkSOD *yet
You: "What are you telling me... That I can dodge bullets?"
Me: "No, noname... What I'm telling you is, when school starts, you won't have to."
Legion was an awesome expansion and it had the token, also DF isn't that bad either
The fact is that if blizzard actually solved the bot problem
1. Gold buying would die by about 90% if not more
2. The gold inflation issue would be dead
3. GDKPs would die by about 95% and the ones that would remain would be with bids that are reasonable.
4. The sense of value for players accomplishments would be able to remain in tact knowing that they didn't waste their time by not buying gold.
99% of all that is awful about wow could be solved by killing the bot problem. If that is possible, I don't know, but by god I wish they would try harder if only to show that they cared.
Alternately if you could kill the ability for players to RMT, by immediately and effectively perma banning those that do, it would achieve ALMOST the same goal. There are still people that bot for personal use which would weaken #4 but still be better than nothing. I also think this would probably about as hard of a task to achomplish.
Gold inflation will happen regardless, as classic has very few gold sinks once you buy your mounts. Even if no one botted, gold would still be generated faster than it was removed. Inflation in itself is quite overblown issue anyway imo. Sure, it trivializes the effort to get the epic mount, but beyond that it does not have a huge impact. Your consumables will have a big number attached to their price, but at the same time all the things you could farm for gold sell for ridiculous amounts as well, so you wont be farming for any longer to be able to afford consumables than you did when everything was 1g.
Do you really, and I mean really think that they are actively not trying?
There's a huge money incentive for blizzard to take down bot accounts, and they actually mentioned they have new tech inbound in phase 2 in order to do a better job. I think Blizzard is miles behind, but a big part of that is they're clearly taking the long term approach of developing robust automated systems rather than just having GMs stake out areas for bots.
I wish they'd do both in the interim, but corporate profits and all that I guess.
@@yScribblezHD you said they have money incentive to take down bots? How is that? I thought they would make more from bot subs
@@heavymetalboi I mean they are not investing nearly enough compared to other companies that are much smaller. So no. Sure, it is probably more than 0, but you only need to look at the layoffs of the GMs to see the issue.
Good Riddance to the GDKP Kingpin
"These gold buyers will ALWAYS be there."
Because Blizzard ALLOWS them to be there. Remember it's their video game and if they wanted to stop GDKPs- they could. I don't even know what Blizzard is cooking with their games. If anyone wants to tell me, feel free.
I would say, dont let the door hit you on the way out
GDKP would be okay if you in Classic Vanilla buy a weapon for 1 or 2k and not 10-12k. Gold in GDKP is like narcotrafic money, you know thats imposible that someone farm 10k gold for ONE item but you still take the money and watch other side.
GDKP is bad for new players. Experienced players can take advantage of new players to turn them into cash cows. I mean that's awesome for experienced players but for new ones it's horrible experience.
better to not get a spot at all right? "link achievement" "link raider io score" "you need 90% raid gear bis"
What if Blizzard enforces the GDKP ban the same amount as they enforce gold buying bans
"administrative work"? the game literally handles that for you - you either click "need", "greed" or ""pass". it's that easy.
Nah that doesn't work in raids. People will roll on gear they can't even equip just out of spite because the thing they wanted didn't drop.
Don't forget the part where he has to set up deals wih RMT websites, that ought to take a bit of time.
Agreed
@@Aethelhald I dont understand why they cant implement the FFXIV approach and only allow Need rolls if the item is appropriate for your current class/spec.
@@atelierbagur3831 lets say the agility gun drops, who deserves it more? the rogue since it's BiS for him or the hunter since it's an upgrade?
There is a way to get rid of 99% or more of gold sellers and buyers. Draw a line in the sand say: "The past is forgiven but after this date we will Perma every gold buyer 100% of the time and if you make a new account we'll perma that one too." And then actually do it.
I love this
WOTLK was where it was at. I know a lot of people love Vanilla / classic WoW, but my best memories come from just before cataclysm.
I quit after the Argent Tournament destroyed Ulduar runs, not sure if that supports or contests your statement.
@@InternetHydra I loved the Argent tournament dungeon and raid. Even if shadowpriests were in their worst state ever back at that point. So much fun, especially the pvp boss :D
Zach popped the fuck off there at the end :D
normal raiders def also buy gold lmao.
ya its weird people have been buying gold since original vanilla was out. people are just dont want to form their own groups
@@horriblepancakethats literally why they buy it on sod, overpriced boes go for 200 300g while bis raid items in gdkp ho for 5g xD baning gdkp fixes nothing just removes anothercfun part of the game
@@horriblepancake how is that not an issue??? Inflation is inflation... It will impact the entire economy unless it's held in some shadow form. You think other non gold buyers enjoyed paying higher inflated prices for flasks and consumes that the gold buyers were able to bid up? My God people on this thread.... You blame GDKP lol but say it's ok to buy gold for non GDKP ok USA
if you're full bis, you just sell ticket runs. have 'n' number of leach spots in a raid. So a gold buyer just pays gold for all melee gear and another pays gold for caster gear, and a 3rd pay for tank gear, etc.
watching this is like waiting at the bus stop but a comically long scooter pulls up and bugs bunny is riding so you hop on the sidecar and tailgate the bus you were supposed to catch
I was in a guild that was constantly going for fastest clears in classic. I’d buy gold just so I didn’t have to play an extra three hours farming mats to sell or use for buffs. I saw it as an east way to get rid of the boring stuff I didn’t want to do and focus on the fun stuff like raids and pvp
Stop blaming blizzard. Players buy gold. The community needs to make clear gold buyers are not acceptable. Saying it is not players fault is just enabling them. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM IF YOU BUY GOLD!
Eh?
Blizzard doing ZERO work of EVEN TRYING to ban gold sellers so they are hunders of thousands of gold sellers selling cheap gold on third-party website becuse there is LITERALLY ZERO RISK of getting baned. People buy gold because there is ZERO RISK of getting banned.
Yes, Blizzard is also to blame.
1. Only max level players can trade gold. Max 1k gold per hour.
2. Only lvl 20 and above can use the AH and items now have a max price.
3. Gold selling just got killed.
Shitty idea, thanks, bye
kinda confirms that the social aspect of wow is gone. people play in grps with ppl we never really talk to, get carried and just buy loot with gold they either farmed solo or bought. what ever happened to joining a guild, meeting new ppl, making friends.. you know, like we did back in the day..
I think the community is so far gone at this point that the only way to remove this problem is to remove gold form the game completely or make it so that we cant trade gold to anyone. Then rework all vendors so that the vendors sell stuff that you want for proffs, if you dont want to go out and farm them yourself.
It's only a classic problem. GDKP raids don't exist in retail.
@@MrkraZzz That is mainly because Retail has lost the MMO aspect. you can play it solo. if you want gear in classic, you need to get in a grp. retail you que in LFR..
Gold-bid loot systems are only an issue if the gold isn't earned. If the gold isn't earned, how can the loot be?
Unfortunately, the prevalence of GDKP gives a huge boost to the incentive to buy gold, until the two are inexorably intertwined. If WoW had a water-tight economy it wouldn't be an issue - but it doesn't, and it is.
You know if you just Need/Greed roll there is no administrative work to loot. You don't need anything more complex for 10 mans.
Sure but if you pug and for example second boss doesn’t drop what someone wants they just log off and nobody wants to join or wait to fill a partial run and your lockout is screwed. Happened to me A TON in 10 and 25s.
yea im rolling on healer loot as warrior for flask set then have fun kek
Shitload of people ninja OS loot if you do this.
Yet this is why a master looter system was developed alongside Need/Greed, because there's problems - not with the system, but with the players using it.
Even in guilds with DKP there is an addon that does all the work after being setup. After the boss kill they just click the addon button to start the bidding process, everyone can watch bids and if the bids are for MS or OS with MS having priority ofc then the items are sent to the players that win the bids. You have the ability to set times and min price of loot.
Players should just take a page out of game developers playbook and sell "Tokens" for 1k gold and run a DKP where you bid on gear with tokens. They can't claim you are RMT because you buy it with gold.
Asmon saying he doesn't care about the integrity of WoW is the most poignant part of this video.
He doesn't play anymore, what do u expect? He's personality is cynical, everyone says he speaks his mind but imo i feel like he's just gotten more cynical over the years bcus "thats whats most real, and what most people think" and it sells well for him. Besides that, i dont think he gives a shit about anything but being in the limelight.
Yea... unfortunately what he says makes so much painful sense. Why should he care about the integrity of wow when blizzard doesn't.
Not just blizzard doing nothing to ban cheaters. Literally nobody is banning cheaters.
Other games are in fact banning cheaters, please check overwatch, Valorent, ESO, FF14, and Warzone.
Blizzard tho yea, they probably don't know how to ban anyone bc noone knows how to run the engine or dev program 😂
Picked up Last Epoch last night. Highly recommended.
Thought it didn’t drop until the 21st?
@@OneFiveYankee you can get it now. It’s technically the beta, but it’s pretty much finished. Addictive gameplay. Fun as hell.
Personally I've joined a lot of GDKPs both in Wrath and SoD just so I can get easy gold without having to farm gold myself. I never bought any gold. The gold I gained in WOTLK GDKPs was either used on a few small upgrades in gear or spent on WoW tokens to extend my subscription (3h raid = 1 WoW token). The gold from SoD GDKPs (30 minutes = 15-30g) went towards consumables for guild raid, new alts (BoE, bags, spells, ...) and enough gold to buy a mount at level 40. A lot of people I know do this, too. Generalizing the entire GDKP enjoyers to be gold sellers and/or buyers is ridiculous.
Yeah you are like 3% of the total population though, and you 100% bought gold lol
@@Shitockiful stay coped up brother
@@EekSaidTheCreeper The truth is, unless you got lucky and joined a GDKP where they didnt check your gold first, or you had already spent ages farming up 40-50k you were never getting into the GDKP in the first place. If you get into the GDKP runs early on before gold is inflated, its a ticket to free gold sure. But if you try to enter the scene midway or late game its nearly impossible unless you break your back farming for that first entry spot or buy gold. It is what it is.
Everyone who says joining GDKP is easy either buy gold or joined them in the first few waves of players to benefit from low costs and constantly growing prize pools. Saying "cope" doesnt change that fact one bit.
During the time I played Classic wrath up to ICC, the guild I raided with was lead by a gdkp raid leader from original release. GDKP was his sole means of living for 9 months. He had a very nice home and car. I promise he made more than 5 dollars. He also never said it was how he made his living or even said he sold the gold however the amount he pulled off the top every run would have been worth thousands a month.
In a gdkp run you NEVER say what you want or how much you will pay. We would always bring a whale for specific bosses. ALWAYS.
To make around 6000$ per month he would have to sell like 5mil gold per month which means that he would need to make 160k gold per day. Majority of GDKP leaders were making 40-60k on average per raid. It's good income for people living in 3rd world countries where they can get away with not paying taxes on that income. For someone with "big house and nice car" this is peanuts and simply not worth the time investment.
@@david-ek2bo I know multiple GDKP "hosts" would run as many as 4 GDKPs a day. Granted, they were all Iranians, so the third world stuff is accurate.
A very nice home , not big. Running 5 toons at weekly reset and beta /alpha 5 mans and carries. He knew the rules. He was fine. $6 grand? Where the fuck do you live? We knew when he went back to work, raids stopped and he stopped being on 20 hours a day and his bots stopped running. @@david-ek2bo
@@wafflehaxxx I played on Firemaw and you would be considered extremely lucky to squeeze 4x ToC run in one day, let alone UD or ICC and for sure you not pulling that off every single day in a week. It's just not worth the money if you have decent job.
I know a guy from venezuela that runs GDKP since clasic vanilla and bro has a nice house and a brand new car lol
I only did GDKPs with alts never going for a targeted item so my experiences with GDKP have been pretty positive
Xaryu needs to react to this wearing the same shirt.
The solo reason Asmon is mad about master loot cuz he can't ninja loot anymore, obviously
I dont buy gold and I only raid in GDKPs. Its still the best loot system for pugs. You get either gold or items so no time is wasted and there is no chance for you to get items in MS/OS or softres raids because everyone just rolls on every item. Also GDKP raids have better players. The botting and gold selling is the problem, not the GDKPs. But to fix that Blizzard would have to do some work. CANT HAVE THAT!
This point exactly. It's so annoying that other people wanna ruin a way people enjoy the game that usually doesn't even effect them , there is always guild runs , Ms>Os runs , but for the people that don't wanna be on a guild schedule and want a quick , solid group and want to at least get something for their time spent , gdkp is the way to go, sucks they're targeting thay and not the real problem aka gold buying
Anyone that runs GDKP is selling gold
Yes! Asmongold is just trying to downplay the importance of banning GDKP's because hes a guilty participant!
I mean to be fair I hosted my own gdkps for mc/aq20/zg in classic, and would tank them, and that would get me my needed consumes for raiding like flasks and mongoose. Not everyone who hosts or runs in a gdkp are involved in gold buying/selling. For the most part, from what I've seen the gold buyers only bother running in the newest raid with the best gear drops, nobody in my gdkps ever dropped more than 100g on an item. At the same time I'm not going to really miss them all that much
Wrong and gay take.
@@fact962 See, here's the difference. You ran a gdkp, and had enough gold for a MONTH of raiding consumables. Yet for some reason these GDKP hosts are running every single day, many running multiple runs PER day. It goes without saying there is absolutely no reason to hoard this much gold if you are not selling it.
What a crock of an excuse. GDKP is MORE administrative work, you have to keep track of all the gold and then distribute it at the end, whereas ms>os loot rolls take 30 seconds per piece of gear. Oh, the horror. The fact GDKPs have to be organized off platform makes them more admin work is especially true in this case. I've never participated in them, but I personally don't find the appeal of them; just enjoy the game ffs.
It's rather difficult to enjoy the game when you get zero rewards for your efforts. GDKP fixes this main issue with raiding. It makes raiding ALWAYS rewarding. You beat the bosses, you either get gear or gold, you never get absolutely nothing.
But what am I going to do with all my bought gold?
Buying a egirl gf EZ
Im pretty sure all those consumables, materials and auction house items will be a good gold sink.
Like how it normally was
buy an ehooker in goldshire xD
@@PrimusValsar Ship her straight home from Leningrad
@@atelierbagur3831that isn’t a gold sink because it does not eliminate gold from the economy
Blizzard laid it open for the public to see how much they actually care about their TOS. Not banning Sodapoppin for buying gold, and merely taking the gold, set the new standard at blizzard of we don't give a fuck.
You're right man soda got a slap on the wrist
people honestly looking at this all wrong. GDKP is how the normal player CAN compete with a gold buyer. This is how alot of non-buyers sustain gold, and clear raids. We are the core raiders of a GDKP and like asmon said u can never get rid of the gold buyers. So sell them the gear ezgg
I played in 2+ GDKP raids each week in Ulduar, TOGC, ICC, and now in SOD. I never bought gold and simply used my payouts from each raid to buy items in the next raid. 32 GDKP raids in SOD so far, average payout of 13.34 gold, average expenditure of 12.21 gold per raid. It really doesn't seem to me like these raids are infested with gold buyers and it is absolutely not the case that you need to buy gold to compete. I think many people form opinions about GDKP without participating in them very much.
All I've done are pug gdkp's since week 2 (2-3 characters) and I can 100% guarantee you there has been at least 1-2 RMTers (that being generously low on the count) in every single one of them. Just last week someone put on autobid and paid 100g for Dagger of Willing Sacrifice & 50g for Tome of Cavern Lore and said they were willing to pay up to 300g just for the dagger; tell me they dont buy gold. I've seen people pay ~50g for 2nd-3rd bis items like its nothing. If you dont raid with the same group in your gdkp's every lockout you get to see the truth when it comes to rmt & gdkp's. So far SoD hasnt come close to TBC & Wrath when it comes to gold buyers in gdkp's but let them continue and it will once we get to 60 and are raiding AQ & Naxx. So far my highest payout was 46g and my lowest was 13g with an average of around 18g.
Gold selling is a symptom of how the game was designed. The only way for Blizzard to tackle this issue is to make gold as useless as possible. While there is a range of items on the market for people to buy with gold, most rare items, dungeon/raid gear, and special weapons should be character bound and non-tradable. While I know a lot of people won't really agree with that 100%, Blizzard should only do that with certain types of items, and leave the rest for open trade. (old content, mats, crafted, food, etc) That way, people will focus more on content, earning their stuff. Yes, people will still pay for gold, yes people will pay for carries, and yes, people will probably sell accounts, but it'll be more like a backdrop issue than something that is incredibly intrusive to the player's experience such as grinding your life away only to be one upped by a gold seller. No one should have to deal with that. Make gold very easy to get and very useless; then there is no reason to sweat needing to buy it or farm it out as much.
Imagine wanting to raid and the only way you can raid is to pay the raid group to join, how is that a good system?
It’s the opposite, you’re getting paid to raid if gear you do not want drops. Sure you aren’t guaranteed loot but it gives a reason to raid when you are done gearing
@harrya698 if you have gold that is.
Blizzards's mindset:
-How much will it cost to have a team of 20-25 GMs to monitor gold selling and botting?
-1.4-1.7 mil/year
-What are the pros and cons?
-Pros: makes the game fair, better, and the players happy. Cons: -1.4-1.7 mil
-Can we get those money back?
-A smal fraction
-Fuck it then.
The life lesson?
If you want to make money, don't create a good mmo. It will bleed all your money until you die. Or until you become the villain
there has never been an mmo in history that hasn't struggled with gold buying and bots, my guess is its a little more complicated than cost and man power
@@Brewnelley People will always find ways to do it and get away with it. But it's one thing to have a few do it in the shadows and it's another thing to have lots of them do it in the open.
This issue cannot be reduced entirely but big part of it, there's no doubt. But why do it when you can become a gold seller yourself and only profit
@@HakaiKaien you cant bot or use bought gold in the shadows, you are just saying things
@@Brewnelley "In the shadows" as in doing it so that it's not obvious to other players
@@HakaiKaien i know what you meant, its just wrong, it is impossible to bot or use bought gold "in the shadows" both of these things interact with game directly.
I've been gdkping all phase 4 on wotlk for gear, the clears are okay got all heroics eventually. Leeched about 700k, sounds good right? Fkn trinkets are still going for 250k+ lol I'm not spending that, the whales do ruin it for everyone 100%
people like to forget that "welfare" tends to lead to inflation
You are a guilty participant. You should be permabanned from the game.
Cant walk the barn back in the horse.
If you lose an item to someone that bids a bunch of gold, then the worst case scenario is that you don't get the item, but you got a bunch of gold.
if gold buying wasn't a problem, GDKPs would be great. but yeah...
@@ecMonify my plan would be to give everyone a token off of each boss and then you can trade that toek in for any loot you want back in town. Rarer item would cost more tokens.
Whatever happened to a good old fashioned Need/Greed?
Why does it have to be GDKP? Why cant it just be DKP? I remember it used to incentivize people to participate in not just raids but other guild functions to earn your DKPs. Why even call it GDKP? Shouldnt it just be GPs?
as far as i understand it, its a GDKP instead of a DKP because its a pug with randoms and since DKP has value only if you play with the same players and you accumulate DKP points together, that system would not be useful if its different people each week.
Not sure if im correct tho, i only play retail, someone can correct me if im mistaken :3
Should just be called Auction runs because thats what they are at their core.
@@eggs9636 I want RKP. Not GKP. Real money kill points.
@@eggs9636 Youre probably right. I completely forgot that people PUG raids, it just seems like a foreign concept to me.
the one thing I don't understand is why people think this will make it easier for them to find raids. The people running GDKPs will not suddenly start running normal pugs. The people queueing for GDKPs will not suddenly start leading raids. Spoiler alert: this will lead to less opportunities to raid, not more.
Exactly. These people who whine about Gdkps are gonna be real upset when all their is are Hard Res / Soft res pugs and they don't want bad players in them anymore lol
WoW needs to go free to play.
Whats the point of it on gold sellers discussion? It will be even worse if wow go F2P. Even more players who buys and sells gold.
Screw that
This is why i stopped playing SOD lol, I enjoy it but the gold selling and bots just make it extremely unfun. That and the fact I cant farm my mats for my rune bc everyone and their mother are farming the only 2 spots for drops and the drop rate is just horrendous.
it's absolutely hilarious how asmon thinks that gdkp's were the best thing ever and thinks removing them is a bad thing just because HE was the one fucking over everyone back in the original WOTLK
I don't understand why people get so up in arms about the WoW token and the buying and selling of gold. It's impossible to get rid of. There will always be people who want to buy gold and sell it.
If you don't like getting out bid by gold buyers, then don't run raids with them. There will always be "pay to win" that's the way of the world. The people who have the most money buy success, that's just how it is, and blizzard will always have a financial incentive to cater to them. Blizzard has nothing to gain by banning gold buyers and farmers. It costs money to play whack a mole with gold sellers and buyers. And why should they spend money to cater complainer who will keep playing whether or not they stop it?
If you like games that aren't pay to win, I suggest you start playing old console games, because that's the only place you're going to find them.
he should have reacted to the whole video...
The only way to stop gold buying/selling is to remove the ability to trade gold.
i did gdkps during naxx in wrath classic for a few months. made tons of gold, never bought or sold any gold for RMT. was a lot of fun, but mayb i was doing it wrong.
That’s because your time is not worth as much. So you had to grind gdkps to get the gold to even start competing. Where someone else can swipe and start outbidding people right away. It’s a dogshit cycle.
I haven't played WoW since cataclysm. After getting kicked out of the very first dungeon I ran when I got to level, I just quit. Last night I had a dream where I was playing/in WoW and then I saw this, and realized ever playing this game again is just a dream.
Blizzard: Can't enforce existing rules
Solution: Make a new rule
10/10
what ppl dont understand is gdkp are literally the best loot system , MSOS ? losing that trinket that you want for 6 weeks but in the end lost to 16th DPS ? yeah right . loot council ? 90% are handled by corrupt officer , and why the fk you let somebody choose what the best for you. EPGP ? ppl will just hoards points and not roll on offpiece item and just save points for BIS items
And its ok that people who di it quit. ITS OK THATS LIKE 1% of player base who cares
"I dont have time for the administrative duties of giving out loot"
"Okay everyone, if you need it, /roll"
God. The wow community became such babies.I pugged most of BC and Wrath before I got into guild raiding. Rolling for loot 99% of the time went off just fine. Occassionaly there was drama but most of the time it worked just fine.
lol at xaryu's story, so if you lost the roll against someone for the turning tide would it also have ruined your excitement as well?
Exactly my thought.
By his logic HR is the way to go.
Eh, I think losing the roll is much more fair, ironically. If you lose it, it is what it is,and definitely doesn't feel as had as losing to someone who paid a shitton money to blizzars
@@tripleaaabattery8480 on the other side i feel losing a roll is bullshit but losing an item to someone that paid for it i know i will get a cut of that amount so it's not as bad, there will always be next week.
It ruined his excitement because he never had a chance.... gold buyer showed up ready to drop 3x Xaryus bank on the item. At least if 2 people are /rolling you have a 50/50 shot of getting the item.
All of these exists because Blizzard DOESN'T put more loot per boss.
People buy golds (or not) and do GDKP because they are UPSET to wait 6 months to get full BIS.
Also, players are tired to be the slave of the GM and officers guilds and getting scamed.
Put more loot per boss and that's it.
I'm waiting for Cataclysm Classic because at least i can be in a small guild with my friends, not being dependent of 20 peoples, not being the slave of the master loot and not forced to do GDKP.
Just a chill 10 man guilds, Cataclysm is awesome for that.
soulless husk of a corpse being defiled by blizz
You mean bring life back into the game? People like Asmongold are leeches.
yeah that diversity hire with zero game development experience is surely breathing life back ! KAPPA ! @@ragerblade82
@@DOC33336 who are you even talking about?
Defiled by blizz? You mean Activision... or sorry Microsoft now.
Blizzard died a long time ago
The problem is that blizzard wants this ecosystem, they want 20-30% inflated player based due to gold buyers and bots.
Oh no, he supports something controversial, how many twitter people is he going to farm this time
This is what not showering for a month and living in a roach infested house looks like
If a mirror of kalandra sells for $100 in PoE, and WoW season of discovery is probably a bigger game, how much do you think someone would pay for BiS loot. Consider this, I sold a BiS 1h sword in D3 on the RMAH for £250 in 2013. It's safe to assume they'd spend thousands.
i dont think it is bigger game
@@pandapandsky I think it's safe to assume that more than 45-46k (PoE steamcharts avg past month) people play SoD
I've thought for the longest time that Blizzard is selling their own gold as a side hustle. Of course they don't wanna ban the gold buyers, they're the ones forking the majority of the money towards Blizzard with gold buying, shop purchases, subs (probably constantly buying the 6 month and/or annual subs to flex the assets they get from them). These "whales" are literally people who are as bad as an addicted gambler just throwing money at whatever and whoever to collect the best stuff. I literally think that asking Blizzard to ban gold farmers/sellers is asking them to fire/ban their own employees and best customers (by employees I mean I think the biggest reason botting is such an issue still in the game is because they're incentivizing gold farmers/bots to do what they do). Why would Blizzard want to diminish their own returns on capitalizing on their assets in and out of game? Of course they're never gonna stop this. Of course they're gonna punish the players (who aren't their preferred players) over the ones actually forking tons of money at them. It's been so obvious to me for years and years. No I don't have evidence, but it literally just makes sense and it's the only thing that does. Why would they only go after certain sellers and only select buyers? Cuz those sellers are the competition, and those buyers were buying from the wrong sellers. A majority of buyers don't get punished unless they get it from the wrong place or they blatantly tell on themselves and then Blizzard has to make an example out of them to pretend that they care to save face. The fact that people believe it's only players and other no name/foreign companies doing this boggles my mind. They couldn't even do it at the scale it's being done unless Blizzard was blatantly turning a blind eye to it while allowing them access to their assets, and they would only do that for one reason: profit.
oohh a WoW video this should be great
It's all player-made money. Whether you sell portals, sell summons, sell rare/valuable crafts, sell rare/valuable items, or do GDKP's. Almost NO ONE is making their money by farming mobs and vendoring the drops. It's all player-made. When 100 people buy something for 1g from 1 person and suddenly they have 100g. The problem isn't that these money-making methods exist or work, the problem is botting. GDKP's are just a symptom of the illness of botting, but Blizz doesn't want to get rid of bots because they pay subs (since the token changes) and make the quarterly numbers look good for investors. I used to run GDKP's for the money so I DIDN'T have to buy gold. I payed for my epic mount in Classic from GDKP's, picking up whatever scrap loot people didn't want anymore on the cheap. Some people do GDKP's because they're well-organized and the money investment encourages people to stick around, often making GDKP runs a better and quicker overall raiding experience. Do some people buy gold to buy loot in GDKP's? Absolutely, maybe even most of them. But the problem isn't GDKP's, it's the economy and botting which crowd the market and deflate gold.
Hi asmon
My math is simple. Buying gold is infinitely cheaper than spending the hours farming it since my hourly pay rate is much more worth spent like this.
The only issue with gdkp is the gold buying. Otherwise its like DKP that you can share across all your characters and with any raidgroup, and not care about guild drama, and get any items you want, for any spec, again without drama. Also for hybrid classes that are forced to heal in raids, this is great as they can actually farm for the items they want for other specs instead of being last in line for them and having no other options.
I still don't understand why Blizzard didn't just make drops per-person like D3 loot is. Completely removes the need to "compete" for loot.
You’re not wrong. GDKP isn’t bad / the problem. NOW everything is just “Hard Rez” which is WAY WORSE than GDKP. I don’t buy my gold and if I want to get an item that isn’t handed to me…let me spend my gold…
'Couldn't you investigate a gold buyer's account for 30 seconds and figure out that they were buying gold?'
Yes, absolutely, I think we all can. But one comment was absolutely spot on. "That would require a paid human."
Blizzard is laying off 2k people.