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You used to play in a big free world exploring it as you pleased, you were a citizen of this world, not its protagonist. In the new expansions, you do cinematically written quests with straight storytelling, where you are one of the protagonists of the whole story. They wanted to make questing more enjoyable, but they took away some of your freedom. There used to be short quest series that involved you in important events. But today, with the exception of a few side quests, the whole expansion is one big quest series.
They could have *easily* fixed that problem with new players being lost on the story, by just having an evergreen scenario that takes you through key points in each expansion. New expansion comes out? Just slap the expansion that just ended to the end of the scenario.
Never thought of that! great idea! a sort of quick catchup story driven mode that explains each expansion while also serving as a leveling process for new players
They are already adding in different quest markers depending on the importance of a quest. They have main scenario quest separated from side stories now, which will make leveling through each expansion with the focus on story so much better. Just playing through MoP Remix with this system is already pretty great, can't wait for it to be added to the rest of the game. If you're leveling multiple characters you could just level through each expansion only doing the main scenario quest, and learn the story that way.
Wrath had a PERFECT balance between grind and progression. I was hoping that the level balance would bring that back. Sadly, I was wrong. My sister played it the first time since Cataclysm and wanted to start on Gilneas- her favorite starting zone. Then she got forced to Exile's Reach and did not like it or the new UI layout.
Wrath was the pinnacle of wow in my opinion. Great storyline, reasonable grinding process, interesting raids, balanced pvp, fun pvp events and nice gearing system.
@@olivervision2111I paid a month ago, played for a few days, forgot to cancel, then got charged 14.99 today. It was painful seeing that notification 😂
@@40kNexusyou know blizzard will refund you right? Even if you sub play for 3 days don’t like it they will still refund you.. just because everyone makes out they are some evil money hungry company doesn’t mean they are mate lol
all that grinding to be the mumber one sought after Rogue"Blacksniperz" and Tank "BlackSniper" on my server i had the most money thru selling my leather armors. Countless no sleep running Raids ignoring life. As soon i stopped playing, I opened my own company and got my life back. I started in college when Warcraft I IN 1996. AND started the world of Warcraft 2004 to 2014. Tried coming back in 2019 by then it ran its course. I have been sober for 5 yrs now. Now i am married 2 houses and my own business. Occasionally, i like to come on and see what's good. I know it's like a crackhead going to a crack house snooping around... RIP WOW
I remember when I was playing this game and leveling was such a grind that it was WORTH YOUR WHILE to take a few days off questing and harvest materials to CRAFT your own armour. It was going to be relevant for longer than it took to find the mats. I miss when you would hunt down and do every quest in a zone and not be big enough for the next zone. You would have to travel across the world to a similar level zone and continue leveling there. If they did that now with all the expansions I might come back. I don’t have people to play with or time in my schedule to attend pre arranged raids. As soon as I hit end game my interest fizzled out.
I stopped playing 4 months ago and recently just made a request to delete my account. I see no point in coming back and become addicted, wasting my time on a game, been 13 years!! I will remember all the good memories and the friends I’ve made along the way but it’s time to move on
Im not removing the account but im not intrested in war within. I wanted an underground expansion since 20 years but its not what war within is that i wanted.
Deleted my account back when the news came out of how shitty their corporate culture was, to the point of sexual harassment and assault, mistreatment and misogyny. Never looked back.
@@wavy2kKeep in mind im very young, but i genuinely had the most fun with the game with Legion, I didn’t even bother with BFA it looked uninteresting from the start for me. But i genuinely think i would have loved to play Cata when it came out, looks like a fun experience to me
the increasingly elaborate, segmented, and gatekept nature of plot-driven gameplay really wore me down over time. despite having played wow for *years*, i always had the weird feeling that i was an outsider looking in at someone else's game. add to that the experience of toiling away to finally get high-tier equipment and skills, only to have it all nerfed the moment the next expansion came out. so much for being told i was the saviour of mankind. plus it didn't help that i'm a casual player and didn't particularly enjoy the breakneck and overly complicated experience of raids and dungeons, which meant that i missed a shitload of endgame content 🤷♀
Not if you value your life. No. It’s a drug. It’s an addiction. It’s another way to escape reality. But reality catches up sooner or later. And if you’ve been cut off of it too long… reality hits hard.
I also burned out around Cataclysm, but after diving back in these past few days, I'm enjoying it. The pace has drastically increased; what used to feel like an eternity to reach level 60 now flies by effortlessly. I think getting flying mounts so early and having map markers for every quest significantly takes away from the sense of exploration. I guess players today just don’t have the patience for that kind of adventure anymore.
I do miss the old days of WoW but I still have a lot of fun since starting to play again on & off for the last 6 months. One thing I have noticed is that the new cities lack the magic of exploration. I love checking out all the nooks & crannies of every building for no other purpose than to explore. I hope they bring that back in the future. I’ll always love WoW. ❤
As someone who has been playing off and on since wrath I just came back three weeks ago from about 6 months off and I must say with a combination of remix and retail I’m having a blast but I do miss the social aspect of guild guilds nowadays are dead
I agree on the lacking of the social aspect, I think you really have to go out of your way to find that interaction that use to be so abundant back in the day and appeared organically every where you went
I remember lagging from all the players in main cities back in the day. Now with a better computer and a job, checked WoW again and almost not a player in sight. I miss it.
I got into WoW when it was still just WoW. Enjoyed the first expansion. Enjoyed Lich King. Lost interest at Kung Fu Pandas. Came back when they revamped the entire world (Cataclysm?) but didn't like the linear quests. Way too contrived. Didn't feel organic at all any more, and I missed the glitchy stuff. I LIKED being able to slip underneath Stormwind, or climbing IronForge Mountain to the cave that goes nowhere. It made the world feel explorable. You could also play how you wanted. I decided to level my bank toon as a pacifist. Never equipped a weapon, just beer mugs and the foam sword from the traveling carnival. He was running through Zangarmarsh at L5, with glitched Goblin Rocket Boots to escape harm. The good old days.
We are very OG players, starting with Burning C. and played till the end of Panda, maybe the fact that we turning 40 soon, but i just can't come back no matter how hard i tried... I just don't feel the same fire like in 2008 and i really miss my old buddy's, sad
Played the free weekend with my kid to see if my spark could be rekindled. Euh this will sound harsh, but let's say the spark is now replaced with frustration. I had to vote against my kid being kicked as "bot"
Fun is when I m invested in the world, take it slowly, no numbers and rushing to max, admire the art and just overall goofing around. After all it’s just a game. Unfortunately they forgot that and what they want to do is for kids to become addicts.
If you call toxic those who calls you noob, better you stay out of the game. Or if you play it just go collect mogs and mounts, don't get involved in PvP or PvE just to make other people's life harder
I returned for a while last year (I played from vanilla to WoD before) and I thought retail was noodle soup I. E a total mess of odds and ends. The doesn't feel like a world any more it's just feels like a collection zones.
Returned after 5 years of not playing. Nothing feels rewarding enough. Dungeons offer no challenge and are just speed runs while leveling... Heroic Dungeons are better but just barely. Nobody talks to eachother anymore aside from blaming one another. Forcing myself to play a bit longer to see if i can find something rewarding enough to keep playing.
It may be a longshot, But I do agree with everything you've said. It feels like the MMO aspect of WoW has been lost and it's more of a dopamine chasing RPG that just so happens to have a lot of adjacent players around you. I would highly recommend giving Old school runescape a chance as it still has a lot of the Community driven focus behind it. If graphical appeal isn't a defining quality you look for then I do believe you'll enjoy it!
Dragonflight is the most casual friendly it’s been in YEARS. There is no borrowed power system (Artifact Power, Azerite Power, and Anima). Gearing has never been easier. Weekly’s are entirely optional unless you want some cosmetics. Gear upgrades are extremely easy to get as you can get hundreds of the required currency just doing a normal raid or even a Herod dungeon. Traversal is much easier with Dragon Riding. Wow is in a very good spot and the next expansion seems to much of the same with new endgame content.
I fell for that line, too. I bought the expansion, installed it, but still had to install addons like coordinates and dps meters, neither of which should feel obligatory but still do. Then, came the actual ui changes. Here's where things got bad. None of the classes play the same way I remember with the new talents system and in order for me to even begin to know what class I want to play I need to go over DOZENS OF SPREADSHEETS running mathematical equations about DPS percentages and then run that through practical testing. Just so that I could get a handle on which class I liked, only to realize that this is all still the same game of Simon Says that forces me to watch the actionbars waiting for that next proc instead of the actual game world. Then I got the starting quests which had no real narrative hooks and treated me as though I was a small child. Right after putting me through all of that nonsense with the UI and spreadsheets. Actually, I'm not done talking about the UI and talents. Because all of that Simon Says gameplay really started to make me look for a class that I could play openly and freely like in Classic and there just weren't any. They all play the same way. Just can't afford take my eyes off the bars. I spent 3 days fighting with the talents and the actionbars just to be able to look at the game I was playing at only to find mindless grinding when I was finally able to get that far. It still feels like any other expansion where the game is being made for the top 10% pf competitive players and the bottom 10% who don't even care about any of it in the first place. One of the worst gaming experiences I have ever had.
@@Emidretrauqe I haven't picked up Dragonflight yet as I'm still on the fence about returning. The last time I played was for a couple of months in Shadowlands. But reading your reply you don't sound like a gamer who's used to adding quality of life mods, theorycrafting, or getting a feel for your class - such that you don't have to be looking at your bar all the time. I've been playing Diablo, for example, for over 15 years and you just get into a muscle memory / timing cadence for combat while hitting some special buttons to break crowd control or cleanse or whatever. I honestly can't see it being much different than it used to be, unless things have REALLY changed since I've played last. I probably agree with you about the game's narrative treating you like a child since they're trying to appeal to the broadest of age ranges and that can get annoying. I mean no offense whatsoever about your experience by saying any of this though, everyone has a right to their feelings and experiences and there's nothing wrong with that.
I was defending WoW since Shadowlands where people started screaming about how WoW is dying... after few years I can calmly say, they were right. I quit 2 times in Dragonflight at least for 6 months and now I'm not even looking for new expansion, not even for Cata or MoP. WoW was about exploring, leveling took much much more longer, but you had a chance to see Azeroth and explore lore, maps, characters etc... now ? Start with lvl10 and jump to the dungeon finder immediately, push to the max level, farm iLvl and run mythic dungeons again and again. It's fun for some time ngl, but sadly it's only thing what you can do (+ raids once per week, and DF raids are boring af, even Supulcher was much more better). I have never seen so huge degradation of game experience ever, before huge goliath between mmo's called World of Warcraft, now cash grab which is not worth it at all, because game is basically empty - compared to Legion, MoP... even mostly hated BfA had more content than SL and DF... great job, I have never seen so huge degradation of game title as here. Pushing 2k rio every season is not enough tho. ADD: Forgot to mention lore, which is now completely out of line, doesn't make sense and you just want to skip it, same as in SL. Milking old characters, crying baby King, dragons (nobody cares them lmao). Compared to old expansions, bosses here are boring, not so evil and you don't even remember their name after two days... where is Arthas, Garrosh, Gul'dan, N'Zoth... ?
I can’t agree more. Old WoW is all about journey. Nowadays Blizaard just wanna put things into your stomach and they don’t care about the taste anymore.
Im on the same issue, recently moved to the U.S and unfortunately all my friends are in Europe, I really want to play the new expansion as i have quit wow the past couple of years, but I don’t want to start a fresh start with a new account and playing all alone on US servers My and my friends played wow together since Burning crusade
My biggest issue was the babying of everything. I spent weeks grinding for various items, mounts, pets, etc, only for the next expansion to make it easy for the next player. It took over a month for an average game time player to hit 60 in vanilla. Today, a fraction of that commitment gets you maxed in TWW (would be 150 without the lvl squish). Pretty disappointing.
I have not played this game since 2009ish. I used to love it a lot. However, i left once the daily grind (as you pointed out) became a thing if you wanted to maintain your character. If you could post an update on this and other and new additions of these in the new update, that would be great. Ty 😊 Great watch, and thank you for this upload.
I haven't played since 2021, and decided to try the Pandaria remix. The game looks great and very beautiful, but in my opinion, it's too saturated, there's too much happening on the screen, everything is sparkling and shimmering, and I feel overwhelmed. Unfortunately, this has put me off buying the new expansion (at least for now, will see). Now I'm sitting in Cata, fishing in the evenings, chilling.
I recently returned...about 3 weeks ago. I hadn't played since the Sylvanas raid when my guild fell apart while pushing through on Mythic. Immediate impression is that it is an overly complicated mess without much focus, but the biggest part of that is because it's at the end of the expansion and there are just a ridiculous amount of currencies and storylines to get lost in. Even after 3 weeks, I'm lost. I've figured out how to get some transmogs and somewhat figured out the new crafting system. I went ahead and did the pre-order for War Within and played a few days in the beta servers. I will say that the fresh start is great to feel like I'm starting back in a similar level as others as well as being caught up on the storyline.
@@DedmundzMMO The gameplay and systems are just basically Dragonflight 2.0, so I'd say if someone liked DF then they'll like The War Within. I am looking forward to playing, but i'm not sure I would say "excited" because it seems they spent a lot of time focusing on certain hero builds and very little time on others. I'm hoping the ones that are lacking get another round of attention before launch.
"it is an overly complicated" my thoughts exactly. I feel like I spent an equal amount of time in game as I spent googling about where should I go and how do I get this and unlock that. And I have a lot of experience in different MMOs. Can't imagine how fresh to the genre player would feel.
Bro gave up way to soon on MoP, lore and storytelling was PEEK that expansion. But great video and good points. I hate their current approach to leveling and how they've given up on any attempt to make it an adventure.
It's still an adventure though, it's what you make it. It's not a 40hr running simulator like lvling through classic, it's a 10hr questing through a couple zones. It's still the same gameplay just faster. The adventure is still there in my opinion.
I haven't played since 2008 just before wotlk my gaming laptop took a dive literally and I've been wanting to build a gaming PC for a very very long time and since I've restarted playing Hearthstone I have a very deep desire to get back on and play
I stopped playing when the story stopped making sense.... why did Nathanal lead the horde and alliance out to the sea and let azshara open a massive whirl pool and crash all the ships into nazjatar , explain that again?
i havent played in 10 years and had nostalgia itch Honestly with chromie i love playing through the old expansions with a new character for each expansion enjoying the story. By the end i will have like bunch a characters that are leveled b4 the last expansion
I switched over to 14 a few years back and I really don't regret it. I will say the nice thing about being a casual player is that I have time to play multiple games now. That's probably the main reason I'll never come back to WoW is that it demands waaaay too much commitment of time with artificial chores essentially forcing you to log in every day.
They could readjust monster and item levels by categorizing each zone from each expansion progressionlike from initial to lategame content, so an endgame dungeon from current patch and an endgame dungeon from, idk, wrath of the lich king, would share similar difficulty and rewards... This way you could experience all content and follow any storyline you please, and you'd also have more replayability and more item variety. If something like that was made, I'd totally return to the game.
Also haven’t played heavily since Cata/MoP. My last login was 2021. I just started playing again last night, and I have to say I’m having just as much fun as I did when I played Vanilla 20 years ago.
@@_Vader_ Even the COD fanboys gave up after release after release of mediocrity. Hopefully for our sake this xpac will be the change Blizz needs to not follow suit in the pattern of mediocrity.
I wish they hadn’t moved through classic so quickly. They should’ve made the expacs 3 years each. We woiuldve gotten 9 years out of the first three, which would’ve been almost as good as having classic-Wotlk back, which was the only time worth playing
Agreed, recently reactivated my account . Maybe this is the end of the dark storm clouds looming over Blizzard. I am excited yet still a little worried about the future of WOW I hope they continue to listen to player feedback!
Dragonflight expansion is epic especially for casuals and world pve players. Love it. End game is 1) world content (love it), 2) achievement hunting (love it), pvp (ok), raids (love it), (mythic dung, love it). Fastest way to level is pick 1 expansion and do all quests in each zone, having fun with the story, and unlocking world achievements for the zones you are in. Gives more fun things to do. Before you have done all the expansion zones you should have hit you level to travel to Dragonflight content, but you may wish to finish what you are doing, especially if the main story is uncomplete. Reguardless there is so much fun to be found, but not recommended to jump between the expansions on one character as you won't experience the expansion as it was played when launched.
I was a wow player from MoP to BfA and went to ffxiv once shadowlands got delayed. tried to come back for war within launch and the game just felt less complete in comparison. everything seems to be made to be rushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to endgame where there's a clear meta with specs so I can't really play what I want. I still have some love for the franchise, I just wish I could actually experience this new story without it being segmented into little cutscenes spread across 2 years
The few thing is, I used to be a pretty decent player, subpar in PVP, Heroic but not Mythic Raider. I was playing at that level for like 3 years. Now i just like to log into wow and run around randomly on my trail account, i just love the areas, but i have not went into a battleground or instance in years, but i log in several times a week
i dont even remember the amount of times i quit and returned . also cata ruined it for me big time to . id be lying if i said i didnt quit during pandaria but i actually rly like that expansion . wow it self is boring , i think most people spent so much they have hard time divorcing the game - that does affect me though because blizzard keeps going and i keep coming back even tho i think both ESO and GW2 are superior games .
I resubbed a few times over the years in an effort to try recapture the 2006 WoW feels. I came to the conclusion, its not and never will be possible. We are truly lucky to have experienced Vanilla and TBC (WOTLK and CATA were decent too) but we all grew up, got jobs, had kids etc. it's time to stop chasing it and let it go.
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling like this! But... I CAN'T STOP THE FEELING! WHY we can't have WoW as it was? It was peak gaming (Lineage 2 too, until Interlude) just hard grinding and exploring and fighting and drops MEANT SOMETHING. faaaack it's a hard to eat pill
they got me with dragonflight. it looked good and was pretty fun for about 2 weeks til i realized that class balance was not going to be a thing for another expansion.
I'm playig WOW when it started and quit when motorbikes enter Ogrimmar. I'm gonna play again to see how it is after many years. As of now I have no idea how to start, I mean what world.
I miss wow so much. In nowadays, I play board games with my friends at the game club. so I don'"t play too much on pc anymore. Recently I started playing HearthSTone again, and Wow kind of attracts me to join play again just like old times :D
You're trying to fight with sticks and stones in an age where drones carry bombs and they are piloted remotely. The game functions as classic with new systems and it doesnt make sense at all. So its the systems themselves. Also the emphasis on looks vs skill. Now people want to look cool, instead of raiding an entire city 40 people in voice chat
Thanks, you ensured me not to get back to this game with constant grinding and rat race. Listning to WoW music having nostalgia in my head from years back is enough.
I quit around panda came back and then quit after warlords came out.. I see so many cool new things I wished were around when I played like hightower tauren and other sub classes. I have a lot of old legendary items and some old drakes that used to be rare that I wouldn't mind seeing and using again if they still exist. I do want to get back into it and im buying a new gaming pc this month. I don't know if I will be able to resist WoW. it's still to this day the game I had the most fun playing and even if I wasnt "playing" which I did a lot, I would explore and just check out new areas and questlines on the lowest graphics it was still such a cool experience. I am hoping with a updated system, those old feelings will come back..
If I go back to WoW now, it's only to "Chill" doing things like leveling, professions, events, etc. I don't mess with the story anymore and I don't mess with the raids or anything either. The problem is, it's hard to justify the subscription fee for my use case. I usually just chill with my free starter account rather than my main one.
You know, There's nothing boring about Borean ;). Your point is really interesting and I'll be returning in a couple of days becauze I still need to "accomplish" certains things.
I honestly can't pinpoint why I don't like that zone but I always chose howling fjord over it lol, Great to hear about you returning! Let's hope this new expansion is a great addition!
@@DedmundzMMO oh don't worry I agree with you hate it too, that's just the name of the achievement for doing quests there hahaha. "Nothing boring about Borean." 😄
I come and go when it comes to WOW. WOW classic did bring me back and I played a lot right up to WOTLK launched. But its been over a year since I played. Thinking about returning.
Blizzard removing “offensive” content (i.e jokes and women in paintings) along with this whole DE&I garbage ensured me I won’t be coming back. Blizzard and their corporate overlords made it perfectly clear they hate gamers and will focus on the “modern audience.”
yeah it's so hostile, i just can't make myself even launch the game and they dare to ask money for it... even if they paid me i would think twice if i want to waste my time
I was in my 50s when I first played WOW. I lasted about 8 years and paid my monthly dues like everyone else. For myself, it's a MMO game that hopes to bleed people's wallets. Entertaining? Yes! Costly? Over many years, it sure can be. I recently started a vanilla account, not retail, and it slowly reminded me of why I stopped playing. I had multiple level 80 characters and played all races and professions. Fun times, I admit, but today, no. No way would I return to retail. Being 73 now, I would not be able to do raids, etc. simply because I don't think or move fast enough. Questing now, yes, doing those low level ones, is mostly boring, going back and forth often up to 4 times for the next quest. Quests in a certain area should all be available at the same time. A fine example would be all the tiger, panther and raptor quests in northern Stranglethorn all at the same time. I think players would love this format, but it will never happen. Whether you play retail or otherwise, enjoy the game! :)
As I've gotten older, my biggest requirement in a game is that it respects my time. These corpo developers trying to get me to commit 200+ hours of my time getting hooked into a loop are out of their damn mind, just give me something fun to pick up and play and get some sense of reward out of. The grind stuff needs to go the way of loot boxes IMO.
I started 1 month after release and sold my character right before Naxx. I sold him for 5k on Ebay and started up at the level 70 cap then quit. Idk if I still have access to my account but I’m itching to come back. Still undecided…
I log in every three or four years and update all my alts to whatever level squish/inflation, gear update, system change, and world exploding events have happened in the last two or three expansions I have missed. Then I get a bunch of new battle pets and get bored. The gear grind to get current on content always looks exhausting. I know some people enjoy the gear grind, but I definitely do not.
Legion brought me back to the game and it was like a diamond in the rough, While yes it had the normal wow grindy bits the story and gameplay where very fun! Left before BFA started.
Good summary, I appreciate it. You did mention “Blizzard” a few times. It’s helpful to know that this is just a name, the people creating this content have nothing to do with the original Blizzard.
Im gonna give retail another try, i barely got into shadowlands but grinded on the one before. Its fun but as convenient as portals are i do miss exploring like in WOLK. The classic wow seemed more social especially dooing 5 man dungeons and players would add eachother as friends etc
Regarding level scaling: I'm not sure if the current leveling version makes the open world less dead than the alternative. Let's say we, as new players, must level through all zones and expansion to get to the end games. This would force new players, returning players, and the alts of current players to journey through the open world (or just spam dungeons..) instead of just doing a few zones before reaching the zones of the latest expansion. Sure, this would probably be seen as a slog by a lot of current players, but I do believe that it would create a more populated questing world, if we also did not spam dungeons to level up.
You don't need to force players through every zone to artificially populate it. Just make it viable on every level, so people would choose based on their personal preference instead of the profit. But that will never happen.
What’s crazy is wows entire quest system for the whole game is basically 1/28 skills in RuneScape… slayer skill is literally wow quests with better rewards.. I was creased laughing the other day watching old wow devs getting excited about the old quests they wrote… “go kill 10 kobolt vermin”… Actually was made by 12 year olds😅😂
People want to just walk around and experience the huge world but then complain that the game feels a waste of time 😂 the game changed. Of course, people! 9 expansions! 20 ys of game! However, in my opinion, people changed too. What made us happy years ago now feels like a waste of time. It's all about productivity and getting to the end as quickly as possible nowadays. Thanks for sharing this video btw man! Appreciated. Subscribed.
I want to return to wow, as it's been my home for over a decade, but none of my friends are playing rn, as with age come jobs, family and other responsibilities, while yes I could make new friends within a new guild, it takes time, but 2 worst things for me why I am not returning are GDKP/sweatlord parse chasing mindsets of ppl, and leveling 5 new characters from 0 to hero for millionth time just sounds boring and annoying..
The thing I didn't like is how Keys changed dungeons, everyone just zergs everything trying to go as fast as possible even in low level dungeons and dungeons that aren't keys and if your going "to slow" people start yelling at you. It kinda ruined dungeoning for me. Like Im ok with the key dungeons for a challenge and seeing how fast you can do it for good gear, BUT people expect you to zerg EVERYTHING now.
@@soapgaming4903 racism implies I hate someone by their race. I don't see race we're all human at the end of the day. What I hate is choices and I can size someone up fairly easily by their choices. Elf players are some of if not the biggest douchebags in the game right next to Mohawk gnomes.
@@MrCarlWax Why? I've always been against elves in the Horde not only do they not belong in a tribal, shamanistic society but over 99.9 percent of those players are rude and annoying so no I refuse to play with them nor will I allow them in my groups.
@@bomjur it's the same reason most people who played in vanilla, BC and wotlk, we used to grind to earn things as achement, modern wow people don't need to grind or try to work the auction house for gold, it's a p2w feature.
Still to this day my favorite game ever. This is when i played seriously over a decade ago. I first started playing wow relatively shortly before tbc came out and stopped shortly after lich king came out. Just seeing all of the ridiculous expansions over the years made me never want to come back. Such a shame. But im sure its stil fun for some and maybe some day soon i’ll hop back onto my account and run around for a bit then hop back off
Classic: Chill, explore zones while leveling, play at your own pace, learn your class, and experience the OG game. Retail: Hurry to endgame, meta, toxicity, for 4-5 months before reset.
@soapgaming4903 The talents are made by meta gamers who want you to keep cross-referencing prior decisions. The talents ARE meta gaming. And the gameplay loops that the classes have are there to try to force extra engagement in a game where you should be able to focus on other things. I'm sorry but Dragonflight is still too much. Just because everything has gone My Little Pony doesn't mean it's casual friendly now.
If you have ever played WoW then no, dont bother. The shit sucks now and you will just become upset at how badly Blizz fucked this game up. If you have never played then sure, you have no reference to when it was good and you might enjoy this POS game because you dont know anything else.
The major problem for me is that the game is above 100gb of data and the only area worth play is the last expansions gb .....dead cities ( ironforge i love u) dead vast areas with no reason to be there ..and they force you to rush a very big game to the max level wich is very easy easy to be burn out for a no reason upgrade of ilvl
As you always should with any game. I got a question is it possible to play 1-2hours a day and enjoy some pvp or mythic + dungeons ? I didnt log in since BFA
I re-subscribed and felt overwhelmed at first but Im slowly getting used to it. I felt burned out on any class I tried but then I tried warrior and I got MoP vibes with all abilities almost the same. I love it, see you in game guys
NOPE! They suckered me with the $25.00 welcome back to azeroth. Ya welcome back. To DEAD empty cities and NO talking, NO community. People treat this as a freaking solo game now. You hit a shiny QUE UP button, spam thru a dungeon/raid, BAM exit out. No thank yous, no goodbyes..NOTHING. Absolute joke. RUN FAR FROM THIS GAME!!! It is NOT World of Warcraft. OH and btw, all the moves/animations are "pew pew pew/spam spam spam!!" Nothing feels "heavy or a thud", its just PEW PEW PEW /SPAM SPAM SPAM. Dont tarnish your memories, this game started dying after WOTLK and I guess Panda was "OK" in lore/graphics..but honestly this games done and over with. Its NOT a MMO anymore.
It's pretty much as you said, it's a solo collectathon MMO, you can play it to know what living in Japan feels like, always alone, no community unless you enter a guild and people pretend they care about you when the only thing they are thinking is using you to get better loot 😂 I started playing Black desert instead, you can do world bosses by organically teaming up with people around you without needed group/raid groups, and you can play at your own pace including leveling/gearing.
I think you might be playing on a low pop realm. I see tons of players in cities. And the Looking for Dungeon/Raid normally only have low difficulties available to fast queue for. If you look at the pre-made groups you find the higher difficulties, and people actually talk in the chat. Every normal raid I’ve done people have been talking strategy, welcoming players, saying gg after the raid is done, and just having conversations with each other. Maybe play the game normally before going into a RUclips comment section and going on a rant of how times were better when times were worse.
My problem with WoW is that, personally, I don't see any point playing it if I am not going to raid. I quit WoW because I had no longer 3h at specific days and time I could dedicate just to run a raid two times per week, not even accounting for the gear farm. Sure, some people don't raid at all and enjoy the game, but for me, raiding is what WoW is all about. Without it, the game becomes pointless for me. As long as I have no time to raid, I won't play WoW again.
I personally think you can’t put all wow players in one category as a bulk …why? Because some players like to solo content, some players like to just play with friends and not be interested in anything else, some players just do myths and raids…etc Wow is actually a game that you can choose how you want to play, there is a little for everyone… compared to before when wow was at its peak, nobody would talk to you if you were not doing dungeons or raids… I am a player that started wow since before the world was created online, played regular Warcraft up to Warcraft 3 on PC, this game is unique and still cheap in todays gaming market, some people spend more than $100 on avg monthly on gaming currency
I want to... But I won't. It requires too much time to experience everything the game has to offer. I started a few months before BC, quit mid WoTLK, came back at the end of MoP, quit just after Legion. Legion was very good and spent way too much time playing, don't wanna fall down that rabbit hole again. I'll just watch Nobel for a quick fix
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You used to play in a big free world exploring it as you pleased, you were a citizen of this world, not its protagonist. In the new expansions, you do cinematically written quests with straight storytelling, where you are one of the protagonists of the whole story. They wanted to make questing more enjoyable, but they took away some of your freedom. There used to be short quest series that involved you in important events. But today, with the exception of a few side quests, the whole expansion is one big quest series.
They could have *easily* fixed that problem with new players being lost on the story, by just having an evergreen scenario that takes you through key points in each expansion. New expansion comes out? Just slap the expansion that just ended to the end of the scenario.
Never thought of that! great idea! a sort of quick catchup story driven mode that explains each expansion while also serving as a leveling process for new players
I actually agree with this.
Yup, been yappin about this exact thing for years now. It needs to be a thing
Wow players agreeing on something involving old content. I did not have that on my bingo card for the year, but I agree also.
They are already adding in different quest markers depending on the importance of a quest. They have main scenario quest separated from side stories now, which will make leveling through each expansion with the focus on story so much better. Just playing through MoP Remix with this system is already pretty great, can't wait for it to be added to the rest of the game. If you're leveling multiple characters you could just level through each expansion only doing the main scenario quest, and learn the story that way.
Wrath had a PERFECT balance between grind and progression. I was hoping that the level balance would bring that back. Sadly, I was wrong. My sister played it the first time since Cataclysm and wanted to start on Gilneas- her favorite starting zone. Then she got forced to Exile's Reach and did not like it or the new UI layout.
Yea the new layout is weird just gotta get used to it I guess but yea it doesn’t look as nice as the old one
Wrath was the pinnacle of wow in my opinion. Great storyline, reasonable grinding process, interesting raids, balanced pvp, fun pvp events and nice gearing system.
Watching the video was enough to satisfy my nostalgia and save me the sub fee.
Exactly. Who pays to play these days ? 🤔 especially outdated WoW.
@@olivervision2111I paid a month ago, played for a few days, forgot to cancel, then got charged 14.99 today. It was painful seeing that notification 😂
@@40kNexus my condolences. 😫
I didn't, cause I won't return to this wokefest, no matter what.
@@40kNexusyou know blizzard will refund you right? Even if you sub play for 3 days don’t like it they will still refund you.. just because everyone makes out they are some evil money hungry company doesn’t mean they are mate lol
All my friends who play wow still started in Cataclysm. All my friends who played wow before Cataclysm stopped play wow in Cataclysm.
all that grinding to be the mumber one sought after Rogue"Blacksniperz" and Tank "BlackSniper" on my server i had the most money thru selling my leather armors. Countless no sleep running Raids ignoring life. As soon i stopped playing, I opened my own company and got my life back. I started in college when Warcraft I IN 1996. AND started the world of Warcraft 2004 to 2014. Tried coming back in 2019 by then it ran its course. I have been sober for 5 yrs now. Now i am married 2 houses and my own business. Occasionally, i like to come on and see what's good. I know it's like a crackhead going to a crack house snooping around...
RIP WOW
I remember when I was playing this game and leveling was such a grind that it was WORTH YOUR WHILE to take a few days off questing and harvest materials to CRAFT your own armour. It was going to be relevant for longer than it took to find the mats. I miss when you would hunt down and do every quest in a zone and not be big enough for the next zone. You would have to travel across the world to a similar level zone and continue leveling there.
If they did that now with all the expansions I might come back. I don’t have people to play with or time in my schedule to attend pre arranged raids. As soon as I hit end game my interest fizzled out.
I stopped playing 4 months ago and recently just made a request to delete my account. I see no point in coming back and become addicted, wasting my time on a game, been 13 years!! I will remember all the good memories and the friends I’ve made along the way but it’s time to move on
This.
for me that was the only way to stop coming back to wow for no reason, best decision ever lol
smart man
Im not removing the account but im not intrested in war within. I wanted an underground expansion since 20 years but its not what war within is that i wanted.
Deleted my account back when the news came out of how shitty their corporate culture was, to the point of sexual harassment and assault, mistreatment and misogyny. Never looked back.
Homie left in cata… came back to Cata classic. Gotta be hilarious even thinking about that 😂
That’s me too
Me too. Honestly Shadowlands and Draenor seem so whack Kinda glad I missed em lol. I’m a casual player
@@wavy2kKeep in mind im very young, but i genuinely had the most fun with the game with Legion, I didn’t even bother with BFA it looked uninteresting from the start for me. But i genuinely think i would have loved to play Cata when it came out, looks like a fun experience to me
Is your name Homie, you could be Chromies BF, or you from the Hood but then your name would be Robin
the increasingly elaborate, segmented, and gatekept nature of plot-driven gameplay really wore me down over time. despite having played wow for *years*, i always had the weird feeling that i was an outsider looking in at someone else's game. add to that the experience of toiling away to finally get high-tier equipment and skills, only to have it all nerfed the moment the next expansion came out. so much for being told i was the saviour of mankind.
plus it didn't help that i'm a casual player and didn't particularly enjoy the breakneck and overly complicated experience of raids and dungeons, which meant that i missed a shitload of endgame content 🤷♀
Not if you value your life. No. It’s a drug. It’s an addiction. It’s another way to escape reality. But reality catches up sooner or later. And if you’ve been cut off of it too long… reality hits hard.
I also burned out around Cataclysm, but after diving back in these past few days, I'm enjoying it. The pace has drastically increased; what used to feel like an eternity to reach level 60 now flies by effortlessly. I think getting flying mounts so early and having map markers for every quest significantly takes away from the sense of exploration. I guess players today just don’t have the patience for that kind of adventure anymore.
Patience and time are two different things.
I do miss the old days of WoW but I still have a lot of fun since starting to play again on & off for the last 6 months. One thing I have noticed is that the new cities lack the magic of exploration. I love checking out all the nooks & crannies of every building for no other purpose than to explore. I hope they bring that back in the future. I’ll always love WoW. ❤
In the first Dalaraan this was my favorite thing, looking at all the neat shit
The answer is no - coming from someone who has tried to start up again every year since the end of Cata
SOD was the best for me so far and normal classic launch
I've actually just returned after a 5 year break and I'm personally enjoying myself.
As someone who has been playing off and on since wrath I just came back three weeks ago from about 6 months off and I must say with a combination of remix and retail I’m having a blast but I do miss the social aspect of guild guilds nowadays are dead
I agree on the lacking of the social aspect, I think you really have to go out of your way to find that interaction that use to be so abundant back in the day and appeared organically every where you went
I remember lagging from all the players in main cities back in the day. Now with a better computer and a job, checked WoW again and almost not a player in sight. I miss it.
This was a really good video enjoyed it and for me it was informative . Thank you
I'm really happy to hear that! :D
I got into WoW when it was still just WoW. Enjoyed the first expansion. Enjoyed Lich King. Lost interest at Kung Fu Pandas. Came back when they revamped the entire world (Cataclysm?) but didn't like the linear quests. Way too contrived. Didn't feel organic at all any more, and I missed the glitchy stuff. I LIKED being able to slip underneath Stormwind, or climbing IronForge Mountain to the cave that goes nowhere. It made the world feel explorable. You could also play how you wanted. I decided to level my bank toon as a pacifist. Never equipped a weapon, just beer mugs and the foam sword from the traveling carnival. He was running through Zangarmarsh at L5, with glitched Goblin Rocket Boots to escape harm. The good old days.
We are very OG players, starting with Burning C. and played till the end of Panda, maybe the fact that we turning 40 soon, but i just can't come back no matter how hard i tried... I just don't feel the same fire like in 2008 and i really miss my old buddy's, sad
yeah real blizzard is long gone
Played the free weekend with my kid to see if my spark could be rekindled. Euh this will sound harsh, but let's say the spark is now replaced with frustration.
I had to vote against my kid being kicked as "bot"
They probably meant he was ass so he was a bot
Fun is when I m invested in the world, take it slowly, no numbers and rushing to max, admire the art and just overall goofing around. After all it’s just a game. Unfortunately they forgot that and what they want to do is for kids to become addicts.
Blizzard isnt blizzard anymore.
I hope Activision Blizzard goes bankrupt and their rights go to a passionate gaming company
that‘s right
Every now and then I get the urge to resub .... then I remember the toxic players. Never again.
If you call toxic those who calls you noob, better you stay out of the game. Or if you play it just go collect mogs and mounts, don't get involved in PvP or PvE just to make other people's life harder
@@Modrov I did some decent level content - was by no means a noob. Your comment exemplifies why I left the game.
I returned for a while last year (I played from vanilla to WoD before) and I thought retail was noodle soup I. E a total mess of odds and ends. The doesn't feel like a world any more it's just feels like a collection zones.
Returned after 5 years of not playing. Nothing feels rewarding enough. Dungeons offer no challenge and are just speed runs while leveling... Heroic Dungeons are better but just barely. Nobody talks to eachother anymore aside from blaming one another. Forcing myself to play a bit longer to see if i can find something rewarding enough to keep playing.
It may be a longshot, But I do agree with everything you've said. It feels like the MMO aspect of WoW has been lost and it's more of a dopamine chasing RPG that just so happens to have a lot of adjacent players around you. I would highly recommend giving Old school runescape a chance as it still has a lot of the Community driven focus behind it. If graphical appeal isn't a defining quality you look for then I do believe you'll enjoy it!
i only miss very very much my characters. But not the community and the game mechanics.
Dragonflight is the most casual friendly it’s been in YEARS. There is no borrowed power system (Artifact Power, Azerite Power, and Anima). Gearing has never been easier. Weekly’s are entirely optional unless you want some cosmetics. Gear upgrades are extremely easy to get as you can get hundreds of the required currency just doing a normal raid or even a Herod dungeon. Traversal is much easier with Dragon Riding. Wow is in a very good spot and the next expansion seems to much of the same with new endgame content.
I fell for that line, too. I bought the expansion, installed it, but still had to install addons like coordinates and dps meters, neither of which should feel obligatory but still do.
Then, came the actual ui changes. Here's where things got bad. None of the classes play the same way I remember with the new talents system and in order for me to even begin to know what class I want to play I need to go over DOZENS OF SPREADSHEETS running mathematical equations about DPS percentages and then run that through practical testing. Just so that I could get a handle on which class I liked, only to realize that this is all still the same game of Simon Says that forces me to watch the actionbars waiting for that next proc instead of the actual game world.
Then I got the starting quests which had no real narrative hooks and treated me as though I was a small child. Right after putting me through all of that nonsense with the UI and spreadsheets.
Actually, I'm not done talking about the UI and talents. Because all of that Simon Says gameplay really started to make me look for a class that I could play openly and freely like in Classic and there just weren't any. They all play the same way. Just can't afford take my eyes off the bars. I spent 3 days fighting with the talents and the actionbars just to be able to look at the game I was playing at only to find mindless grinding when I was finally able to get that far.
It still feels like any other expansion where the game is being made for the top 10% pf competitive players and the bottom 10% who don't even care about any of it in the first place.
One of the worst gaming experiences I have ever had.
@@Emidretrauqe I haven't picked up Dragonflight yet as I'm still on the fence about returning. The last time I played was for a couple of months in Shadowlands. But reading your reply you don't sound like a gamer who's used to adding quality of life mods, theorycrafting, or getting a feel for your class - such that you don't have to be looking at your bar all the time. I've been playing Diablo, for example, for over 15 years and you just get into a muscle memory / timing cadence for combat while hitting some special buttons to break crowd control or cleanse or whatever. I honestly can't see it being much different than it used to be, unless things have REALLY changed since I've played last.
I probably agree with you about the game's narrative treating you like a child since they're trying to appeal to the broadest of age ranges and that can get annoying.
I mean no offense whatsoever about your experience by saying any of this though, everyone has a right to their feelings and experiences and there's nothing wrong with that.
I was defending WoW since Shadowlands where people started screaming about how WoW is dying... after few years I can calmly say, they were right. I quit 2 times in Dragonflight at least for 6 months and now I'm not even looking for new expansion, not even for Cata or MoP. WoW was about exploring, leveling took much much more longer, but you had a chance to see Azeroth and explore lore, maps, characters etc... now ? Start with lvl10 and jump to the dungeon finder immediately, push to the max level, farm iLvl and run mythic dungeons again and again. It's fun for some time ngl, but sadly it's only thing what you can do (+ raids once per week, and DF raids are boring af, even Supulcher was much more better). I have never seen so huge degradation of game experience ever, before huge goliath between mmo's called World of Warcraft, now cash grab which is not worth it at all, because game is basically empty - compared to Legion, MoP... even mostly hated BfA had more content than SL and DF... great job, I have never seen so huge degradation of game title as here. Pushing 2k rio every season is not enough tho.
ADD: Forgot to mention lore, which is now completely out of line, doesn't make sense and you just want to skip it, same as in SL. Milking old characters, crying baby King, dragons (nobody cares them lmao). Compared to old expansions, bosses here are boring, not so evil and you don't even remember their name after two days... where is Arthas, Garrosh, Gul'dan, N'Zoth... ?
I can’t agree more. Old WoW is all about journey. Nowadays Blizaard just wanna put things into your stomach and they don’t care about the taste anymore.
Wow has only been about a “Journey” in Vanilla. That sense was killed in TBC.
My only drawback of coming back to WoW is having friends to play with; My group doesn't necessarily want to play and it gets boring to play alone lol
This right here and I’ve played with the same friends group since I was 9. I don’t enjoy playing outside that group
Im on the same issue, recently moved to the U.S and unfortunately all my friends are in Europe, I really want to play the new expansion as i have quit wow the past couple of years, but I don’t want to start a fresh start with a new account and playing all alone on US servers
My and my friends played wow together since Burning crusade
@@InheritorIX right?!
@@jawadkhaled3796 it just hits different with friends. Alone is ok, but it’s just not the same
My biggest issue was the babying of everything. I spent weeks grinding for various items, mounts, pets, etc, only for the next expansion to make it easy for the next player. It took over a month for an average game time player to hit 60 in vanilla. Today, a fraction of that commitment gets you maxed in TWW (would be 150 without the lvl squish). Pretty disappointing.
I have not played this game since 2009ish. I used to love it a lot. However, i left once the daily grind (as you pointed out) became a thing if you wanted to maintain your character.
If you could post an update on this and other and new additions of these in the new update, that would be great. Ty 😊
Great watch, and thank you for this upload.
I haven't played since 2021, and decided to try the Pandaria remix. The game looks great and very beautiful, but in my opinion, it's too saturated, there's too much happening on the screen, everything is sparkling and shimmering, and I feel overwhelmed. Unfortunately, this has put me off buying the new expansion (at least for now, will see). Now I'm sitting in Cata, fishing in the evenings, chilling.
The whole pay to play is what killed it for me
I recently returned...about 3 weeks ago. I hadn't played since the Sylvanas raid when my guild fell apart while pushing through on Mythic.
Immediate impression is that it is an overly complicated mess without much focus, but the biggest part of that is because it's at the end of the expansion and there are just a ridiculous amount of currencies and storylines to get lost in. Even after 3 weeks, I'm lost. I've figured out how to get some transmogs and somewhat figured out the new crafting system.
I went ahead and did the pre-order for War Within and played a few days in the beta servers. I will say that the fresh start is great to feel like I'm starting back in a similar level as others as well as being caught up on the storyline.
How do you like the beta so far? Does it leave you feeling excited for the new expansion?
@@DedmundzMMO The gameplay and systems are just basically Dragonflight 2.0, so I'd say if someone liked DF then they'll like The War Within.
I am looking forward to playing, but i'm not sure I would say "excited" because it seems they spent a lot of time focusing on certain hero builds and very little time on others.
I'm hoping the ones that are lacking get another round of attention before launch.
"it is an overly complicated" my thoughts exactly. I feel like I spent an equal amount of time in game as I spent googling about where should I go and how do I get this and unlock that. And I have a lot of experience in different MMOs. Can't imagine how fresh to the genre player would feel.
Bro gave up way to soon on MoP, lore and storytelling was PEEK that expansion. But great video and good points. I hate their current approach to leveling and how they've given up on any attempt to make it an adventure.
I appreciate the kind words, I definitely wish I would have stayed around for MoP. I realize that now after playing remix.
It's still an adventure though, it's what you make it. It's not a 40hr running simulator like lvling through classic, it's a 10hr questing through a couple zones. It's still the same gameplay just faster. The adventure is still there in my opinion.
Didn't MoP come out the same time as Skyrim did?
I haven't played since 2008 just before wotlk my gaming laptop took a dive literally and I've been wanting to build a gaming PC for a very very long time and since I've restarted playing Hearthstone I have a very deep desire to get back on and play
I stopped playing when the story stopped making sense.... why did Nathanal lead the horde and alliance out to the sea and let azshara open a massive whirl pool and crash all the ships into nazjatar , explain that again?
Think that’s confusing try making any sense of the Bible
@@jamescox857 lol
i havent played in 10 years and had nostalgia itch Honestly with chromie i love playing through the old expansions with a new character for each expansion enjoying the story. By the end i will have like bunch a characters that are leveled b4 the last expansion
I switched over to 14 a few years back and I really don't regret it. I will say the nice thing about being a casual player is that I have time to play multiple games now. That's probably the main reason I'll never come back to WoW is that it demands waaaay too much commitment of time with artificial chores essentially forcing you to log in every day.
They could readjust monster and item levels by categorizing each zone from each expansion progressionlike from initial to lategame content, so an endgame dungeon from current patch and an endgame dungeon from, idk, wrath of the lich king, would share similar difficulty and rewards...
This way you could experience all content and follow any storyline you please, and you'd also have more replayability and more item variety.
If something like that was made, I'd totally return to the game.
Also haven’t played heavily since Cata/MoP.
My last login was 2021.
I just started playing again last night, and I have to say I’m having just as much fun as I did when I played Vanilla 20 years ago.
It’ll quickly wear out…. Just wait… that’s nostalgia for you.
What until you have to focus more on c/d and rotations and not on the game,wow is just guitar hero
@@appathegoat been playing WoW on and off since 2004, and you think it’s going to “wear out” for me? 🤣👍
@@777Godsgift777 WoW has always been CDs and Rotations. I can tell you’ve never been a high tier end game player. 👌
@@_Vader_ Even the COD fanboys gave up after release after release of mediocrity. Hopefully for our sake this xpac will be the change Blizz needs to not follow suit in the pattern of mediocrity.
I wish they hadn’t moved through classic so quickly. They should’ve made the expacs 3 years each.
We woiuldve gotten 9 years out of the first three, which would’ve been almost as good as having classic-Wotlk back, which was the only time worth playing
Agreed, recently reactivated my account . Maybe this is the end of the dark storm clouds looming over Blizzard. I am excited yet still a little worried about the future of WOW I hope they continue to listen to player feedback!
Dragonflight expansion is epic especially for casuals and world pve players. Love it. End game is 1) world content (love it), 2) achievement hunting (love it), pvp (ok), raids (love it), (mythic dung, love it). Fastest way to level is pick 1 expansion and do all quests in each zone, having fun with the story, and unlocking world achievements for the zones you are in. Gives more fun things to do. Before you have done all the expansion zones you should have hit you level to travel to Dragonflight content, but you may wish to finish what you are doing, especially if the main story is uncomplete. Reguardless there is so much fun to be found, but not recommended to jump between the expansions on one character as you won't experience the expansion as it was played when launched.
It's the most boring expansion to date
I am back now level 78 it’s super fun, we can solo dungeons if we want, totally cool
I was a wow player from MoP to BfA and went to ffxiv once shadowlands got delayed. tried to come back for war within launch and the game just felt less complete in comparison. everything seems to be made to be rushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to endgame where there's a clear meta with specs so I can't really play what I want.
I still have some love for the franchise, I just wish I could actually experience this new story without it being segmented into little cutscenes spread across 2 years
The few thing is, I used to be a pretty decent player, subpar in PVP, Heroic but not Mythic Raider. I was playing at that level for like 3 years. Now i just like to log into wow and run around randomly on my trail account, i just love the areas, but i have not went into a battleground or instance in years, but i log in several times a week
Blizzard has replaced the world with contrived systems. That's why they need the player to get to the endgame ASAP.
Unfortunately I believe you are correct sir!
Loved the game, but costing over $200 a year to play is just not in my cards anymore, so that sucks.
i dont even remember the amount of times i quit and returned . also cata ruined it for me big time to . id be lying if i said i didnt quit during pandaria but i actually rly like that expansion .
wow it self is boring , i think most people spent so much they have hard time divorcing the game - that does affect me though because blizzard keeps going and i keep coming back
even tho i think both ESO and GW2 are superior games .
I returned to it, but as soon as I saw I can pull everything and my hp was intact, I quit and returned to classic.
I resubbed a few times over the years in an effort to try recapture the 2006 WoW feels. I came to the conclusion, its not and never will be possible.
We are truly lucky to have experienced Vanilla and TBC (WOTLK and CATA were decent too) but we all grew up, got jobs, had kids etc. it's time to stop chasing it and let it go.
Amen
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling like this! But...
I CAN'T STOP THE FEELING!
WHY we can't have WoW as it was? It was peak gaming (Lineage 2 too, until Interlude) just hard grinding and exploring and fighting and drops MEANT SOMETHING. faaaack it's a hard to eat pill
Damn, that's the truth bro.
they got me with dragonflight. it looked good and was pretty fun for about 2 weeks til i realized that class balance was not going to be a thing for another expansion.
I'm playig WOW when it started and quit when motorbikes enter Ogrimmar. I'm gonna play again to see how it is after many years. As of now I have no idea how to start, I mean what world.
I miss wow so much.
In nowadays, I play board games with my friends at the game club.
so I don'"t play too much on pc anymore.
Recently I started playing HearthSTone again, and Wow kind of attracts me to join play again just like old times :D
You're trying to fight with sticks and stones in an age where drones carry bombs and they are piloted remotely. The game functions as classic with new systems and it doesnt make sense at all. So its the systems themselves. Also the emphasis on looks vs skill. Now people want to look cool, instead of raiding an entire city 40 people in voice chat
I used to play, honestly I don’t want to grind to get a character back up to level now..
Thanks, you ensured me not to get back to this game with constant grinding and rat race. Listning to WoW music having nostalgia in my head from years back is enough.
I quit around panda came back and then quit after warlords came out.. I see so many cool new things I wished were around when I played like hightower tauren and other sub classes. I have a lot of old legendary items and some old drakes that used to be rare that I wouldn't mind seeing and using again if they still exist. I do want to get back into it and im buying a new gaming pc this month. I don't know if I will be able to resist WoW. it's still to this day the game I had the most fun playing and even if I wasnt "playing" which I did a lot, I would explore and just check out new areas and questlines on the lowest graphics it was still such a cool experience. I am hoping with a updated system, those old feelings will come back..
If I go back to WoW now, it's only to "Chill" doing things like leveling, professions, events, etc. I don't mess with the story anymore and I don't mess with the raids or anything either. The problem is, it's hard to justify the subscription fee for my use case. I usually just chill with my free starter account rather than my main one.
You know, There's nothing boring about Borean ;). Your point is really interesting and I'll be returning in a couple of days becauze I still need to "accomplish" certains things.
I honestly can't pinpoint why I don't like that zone but I always chose howling fjord over it lol, Great to hear about you returning! Let's hope this new expansion is a great addition!
@@DedmundzMMO oh don't worry I agree with you hate it too, that's just the name of the achievement for doing quests there hahaha. "Nothing boring about Borean." 😄
I come and go when it comes to WOW. WOW classic did bring me back and I played a lot right up to WOTLK launched.
But its been over a year since I played. Thinking about returning.
"Meet Night Elves Near You!"
Lmao
Giving my money to Blizzard?
I think not.
Blizzard removing “offensive” content (i.e jokes and women in paintings) along with this whole DE&I garbage ensured me I won’t be coming back. Blizzard and their corporate overlords made it perfectly clear they hate gamers and will focus on the “modern audience.”
yeah it's so hostile, i just can't make myself even launch the game
and they dare to ask money for it... even if they paid me i would think twice if i want to waste my time
I was in my 50s when I first played WOW. I lasted about 8 years and paid my monthly dues like everyone else. For myself, it's a MMO game that hopes to bleed people's wallets. Entertaining? Yes! Costly? Over many years, it sure can be. I recently started a vanilla account, not retail, and it slowly reminded me of why I stopped playing. I had multiple level 80 characters and played all races and professions. Fun times, I admit, but today, no. No way would I return to retail. Being 73 now, I would not be able to do raids, etc. simply because I don't think or move fast enough. Questing now, yes, doing those low level ones, is mostly boring, going back and forth often up to 4 times for the next quest. Quests in a certain area should all be available at the same time. A fine example would be all the tiger, panther and raptor quests in northern Stranglethorn all at the same time. I think players would love this format, but it will never happen. Whether you play retail or otherwise, enjoy the game! :)
As I've gotten older, my biggest requirement in a game is that it respects my time. These corpo developers trying to get me to commit 200+ hours of my time getting hooked into a loop are out of their damn mind, just give me something fun to pick up and play and get some sense of reward out of. The grind stuff needs to go the way of loot boxes IMO.
I started 1 month after release and sold my character right before Naxx. I sold him for 5k on Ebay and started up at the level 70 cap then quit. Idk if I still have access to my account but I’m itching to come back. Still undecided…
I log in every three or four years and update all my alts to whatever level squish/inflation, gear update, system change, and world exploding events have happened in the last two or three expansions I have missed. Then I get a bunch of new battle pets and get bored. The gear grind to get current on content always looks exhausting. I know some people enjoy the gear grind, but I definitely do not.
Legion brought me back to the game and it was like a diamond in the rough, While yes it had the normal wow grindy bits the story and gameplay where very fun! Left before BFA started.
Good summary, I appreciate it. You did mention “Blizzard” a few times. It’s helpful to know that this is just a name, the people creating this content have nothing to do with the original Blizzard.
Im gonna give retail another try, i barely got into shadowlands but grinded on the one before. Its fun but as convenient as portals are i do miss exploring like in WOLK. The classic wow seemed more social especially dooing 5 man dungeons and players would add eachother as friends etc
Quick answer is NO!
Old School Runescape has done it the right way!
You missed Legion? That was great xpac
My favorite
@@Siiimon426 And mine also!
Also playing wow on steam deck is great for chill laid back experience
Regarding level scaling: I'm not sure if the current leveling version makes the open world less dead than the alternative. Let's say we, as new players, must level through all zones and expansion to get to the end games. This would force new players, returning players, and the alts of current players to journey through the open world (or just spam dungeons..) instead of just doing a few zones before reaching the zones of the latest expansion. Sure, this would probably be seen as a slog by a lot of current players, but I do believe that it would create a more populated questing world, if we also did not spam dungeons to level up.
It's too much to do every expansion while leveling, people would quit for surr
You don't need to force players through every zone to artificially populate it. Just make it viable on every level, so people would choose based on their personal preference instead of the profit. But that will never happen.
@@bomjur is it not viable on pretty much every level though, your leveling no matter what. It's not meta lvling lol
What’s crazy is wows entire quest system for the whole game is basically 1/28 skills in RuneScape… slayer skill is literally wow quests with better rewards..
I was creased laughing the other day watching old wow devs getting excited about the old quests they wrote… “go kill 10 kobolt vermin”…
Actually was made by 12 year olds😅😂
People want to just walk around and experience the huge world but then complain that the game feels a waste of time 😂 the game changed. Of course, people! 9 expansions! 20 ys of game! However, in my opinion, people changed too. What made us happy years ago now feels like a waste of time. It's all about productivity and getting to the end as quickly as possible nowadays. Thanks for sharing this video btw man! Appreciated. Subscribed.
I want to return to wow, as it's been my home for over a decade, but none of my friends are playing rn, as with age come jobs, family and other responsibilities, while yes I could make new friends within a new guild, it takes time, but 2 worst things for me why I am not returning are GDKP/sweatlord parse chasing mindsets of ppl, and leveling 5 new characters from 0 to hero for millionth time just sounds boring and annoying..
They should put cooldown on dungeons till max lvl so you get forced to actually explore some between cooldowns so u dont just spam dung lvl
I will always remember my last days of wow & why I will never log back into World Of Warcraft .
The thing I didn't like is how Keys changed dungeons, everyone just zergs everything trying to go as fast as possible even in low level dungeons and dungeons that aren't keys and if your going "to slow" people start yelling at you. It kinda ruined dungeoning for me. Like Im ok with the key dungeons for a challenge and seeing how fast you can do it for good gear, BUT people expect you to zerg EVERYTHING now.
I've found that I would rather play Turtle WoW.
I refuse to play with people who play elves on the Horde so you can kinda guess where I currently stand.
Is this technically WoW Racism?
@@soapgaming4903 racism implies I hate someone by their race. I don't see race we're all human at the end of the day. What I hate is choices and I can size someone up fairly easily by their choices. Elf players are some of if not the biggest douchebags in the game right next to Mohawk gnomes.
You do you, but that's a very odd stance.
@@MrCarlWax Why? I've always been against elves in the Horde not only do they not belong in a tribal, shamanistic society but over 99.9 percent of those players are rude and annoying so no I refuse to play with them nor will I allow them in my groups.
@@Husker_XIII you got issues brother
Left as soon as they added the wow token literally destroyed any desire for me to play the game
why?
@@bomjurfigure it out.
@@bomjur it's the same reason most people who played in vanilla, BC and wotlk, we used to grind to earn things as achement, modern wow people don't need to grind or try to work the auction house for gold, it's a p2w feature.
Just returned to wow but not blizzard
Still to this day my favorite game ever. This is when i played seriously over a decade ago. I first started playing wow relatively shortly before tbc came out and stopped shortly after lich king came out. Just seeing all of the ridiculous expansions over the years made me never want to come back. Such a shame. But im sure its stil fun for some and maybe some day soon i’ll hop back onto my account and run around for a bit then hop back off
Classic:
Chill, explore zones while leveling, play at your own pace, learn your class, and experience the OG game.
Retail:
Hurry to endgame, meta, toxicity, for 4-5 months before reset.
Retail is still like that if your not a hardcore player ore mythic raider. Wow is pretty much the same if you just play casually.
@soapgaming4903 The talents are made by meta gamers who want you to keep cross-referencing prior decisions. The talents ARE meta gaming. And the gameplay loops that the classes have are there to try to force extra engagement in a game where you should be able to focus on other things.
I'm sorry but Dragonflight is still too much. Just because everything has gone My Little Pony doesn't mean it's casual friendly now.
@@soapgaming4903 Loool suure, people are toxic even in heroics
@@Emidretrauqe Guess what??? You don’t need to follow the meta talents unless you’re a hardcore raider.
@@PedroIgori never encountered it.
If you have ever played WoW then no, dont bother. The shit sucks now and you will just become upset at how badly Blizz fucked this game up. If you have never played then sure, you have no reference to when it was good and you might enjoy this POS game because you dont know anything else.
Simple answer is No, just don't..
The major problem for me is that the game is above 100gb of data and the only area worth play is the last expansions gb .....dead cities ( ironforge i love u) dead vast areas with no reason to be there ..and they force you to rush a very big game to the max level wich is very easy easy to be burn out for a no reason upgrade of ilvl
If i dont't have Dragonflight expansions do i need to buy it before The war Within? Or its included?
its worth it in my opinion. believe it or not you can easily have fun playing retail casually.. just don't take it too seriously ;)
As you always should with any game.
I got a question is it possible to play 1-2hours a day and enjoy some pvp or mythic + dungeons ? I didnt log in since BFA
@@MrKleju abso fucking lutely!! and dont forget to play on a RP server. way better community
@@MrKleju when we speak about pvp its only arena or rbg bc unrated bg has like 10-20 mins queue
I re-subscribed and felt overwhelmed at first but Im slowly getting used to it. I felt burned out on any class I tried but then I tried warrior and I got MoP vibes with all abilities almost the same. I love it, see you in game guys
@@MrKleju you can easily do 2-3 mythics ye
Dragonriding is the main reason i am not coming back.
NOPE! They suckered me with the $25.00 welcome back to azeroth. Ya welcome back. To DEAD empty cities and NO talking, NO community. People treat this as a freaking solo game now. You hit a shiny QUE UP button, spam thru a dungeon/raid, BAM exit out. No thank yous, no goodbyes..NOTHING. Absolute joke. RUN FAR FROM THIS GAME!!! It is NOT World of Warcraft. OH and btw, all the moves/animations are "pew pew pew/spam spam spam!!" Nothing feels "heavy or a thud", its just PEW PEW PEW /SPAM SPAM SPAM. Dont tarnish your memories, this game started dying after WOTLK and I guess Panda was "OK" in lore/graphics..but honestly this games done and over with. Its NOT a MMO anymore.
It's pretty much as you said, it's a solo collectathon MMO, you can play it to know what living in Japan feels like, always alone, no community unless you enter a guild and people pretend they care about you when the only thing they are thinking is using you to get better loot 😂 I started playing Black desert instead, you can do world bosses by organically teaming up with people around you without needed group/raid groups, and you can play at your own pace including leveling/gearing.
I think you might be playing on a low pop realm. I see tons of players in cities. And the Looking for Dungeon/Raid normally only have low difficulties available to fast queue for. If you look at the pre-made groups you find the higher difficulties, and people actually talk in the chat. Every normal raid I’ve done people have been talking strategy, welcoming players, saying gg after the raid is done, and just having conversations with each other. Maybe play the game normally before going into a RUclips comment section and going on a rant of how times were better when times were worse.
Have you tried talking to people?
he's right, you know.
@@fanaticist no he’s not. He clearly played 20 minutes and quit.
My problem with WoW is that, personally, I don't see any point playing it if I am not going to raid. I quit WoW because I had no longer 3h at specific days and time I could dedicate just to run a raid two times per week, not even accounting for the gear farm. Sure, some people don't raid at all and enjoy the game, but for me, raiding is what WoW is all about. Without it, the game becomes pointless for me. As long as I have no time to raid, I won't play WoW again.
I personally think you can’t put all wow players in one category as a bulk …why?
Because some players like to solo content, some players like to just play with friends and not be interested in anything else, some players just do myths and raids…etc
Wow is actually a game that you can choose how you want to play, there is a little for everyone… compared to before when wow was at its peak, nobody would talk to you if you were not doing dungeons or raids…
I am a player that started wow since before the world was created online, played regular Warcraft up to Warcraft 3 on PC, this game is unique and still cheap in todays gaming market, some people spend more than $100 on avg monthly on gaming currency
I want to... But I won't. It requires too much time to experience everything the game has to offer. I started a few months before BC, quit mid WoTLK, came back at the end of MoP, quit just after Legion. Legion was very good and spent way too much time playing, don't wanna fall down that rabbit hole again. I'll just watch Nobel for a quick fix
man, couldn't agree more. especially the questing. 🙈