Jedi: Survivor Could Have Been A Masterpiece
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- A video essay / review of Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (Played on PS5).
Special Thanks to Cal Cronin, who provided me with some sick beats to use in the video. I used some of my own 'Space Cops' music as well.
I captured a lot of gameplay footage for this video, but towards the later part of the game I kind of barreled through and didn't capture my own footage (at the time I didn't know I was making a video review), Unfortunately, once I decided to make this video, it turns out that I wanted to focus a lot of the discussion on the back half of the campaign, when I wasn't recording my own gameplay. I had to source a lot of gameplay footage of this part of the game from other channels (which is labeled as such in the video) Thank you to those channels:
- Boss Fight Database
- Digital Foundry
- The Gamerverse
- Izuniy
- MKIceAndFire
- Joe Hammer Gaming
- Zanar Aesthetics
Thanks for watching!
00:00 - Intro
02:40 - Part 1 - Faster and More Intense
04:40 - Part 2 - Exploration (Treasure Hunting & Beard Trimming)
07:40 - Part 3 - The Inevitable Twist
13:30 - Part 4 - The Story Reminds Us This is STAR WARS
19:28 - Part 5 - The [Spoiler] Boss Fight
23:56 - Part 6 - The Ending / Conclusion
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Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (2023), produced by Respawn and published by EA, is the sequel to Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order (2019), and continues the story of Cal Kestis and his journey to help protect the jedi from the Empire. The story takes place in the time period before the original Star Wars film trilogy, but after the prequel trilogy. The game itself is an action adventure game with light RPG mechanics, with the gameplay focused on lightsaber combat and exploration. It has a similar feel to Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice in its focus on saber combat, parrying & deflecting (though not as difficult as a From Software game) 
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Great work! Popped up in my feed, and you are really underrated. Post more videos with this quality and you'll blow up soon, good luck!
Thanks! 🙏
Honestly i agree on the point that the game chucks a load of enemy's at you but i actually like the ending it makes cal goes further against the jedi way
Yeah once the dust settled and I wasn't annoyed at the gameplay anymore, I did think that the ending worked decently on a narrative level. Def want to see the next part of Cal & crew's journey!
If you don't like Vader showing up here then you really won't like him potentially showing up in the 3rd game to face Cal (a jedi who escaped him the first time). Things were only going one way for Cere and knowing the inquisitors wouldn't be a match for her. Vader is the number 1 jedi killer in period between episodes 3 - 6.
Oh and Cere is using force healing as opposed to stims.
I think the vader boss fight fitted in well as a revenge fight after what happened in the first game.
Fair point! It did make some sense narratively, and I probably spent a little too much time complaining about it lol… but also I think if I didn’t hit such a difficulty wall and spend a disproportionate amount of time on that section, it wouldn’t have bothered me as much.
I mention it at the end of the video, but this is all a reflection of my personal experience and I might be in the minority of people who were bothered by it - I'm mostly just tired of Vader being inserted into every Star Wars story
@@kirklinden At no point did I feel like a story with the premise "You are a fugitive Jedi Padawan in the years immediately following Order 66" was forced for including Vader. Of course Cal Kestis would have Vader breathing down his neck. The inclusion of Vader in something like Rogue One is arguably way more fan service-y than the Cal Kestis games even though Vader appears in the opening scene of A New Hope, providing a somewhat logical reason for him to be slaughtering rebels in the closing scene of Rogue One
"Tired of Vader" logistically has to translate as "tired of the Galactic Civil War" era where he is a major character anyone doing anything significant would brush up against at some point. He's a main through line of the entire original six movies.
@@TheJadedJames I mean I didn’t even really like Rogue One much tbh, I found it to be pretty dull (though as mentioned, I think season 1 of Andor is brilliant), and the Vader & Leia appearances didn’t do much to help it. I understand that it makes sense that Vader is involved in this game, and as I said, I didn’t have a problem with that in the first game. But having Vader appear at the end of the game is getting tired at this point for me, and I would have preferred if they found a way to spice it up. I guess I wish he was relegated to overseer of the Jedi hunt where maybe he appears in a cutscene or two, but maybe sends in a new character / apprentice/ protege in as the one we encounter in game… mostly just so it’s something new. I get why this part worked for most people.
Edit: As for Vader being the through line of the first 6 movies, yeah I talked about that in the video. Vader has been central in a ton of Star Wars stuff, and I just think if they want to keep Star Wars fresh and interesting in theses spin offs, they should start to lean into newer characters instead of bringing out the same old OG ones. In other words, if Star Wars is going to only be revolving around Vader and not explore the cool world building they’ve established, then yeah I’m not particularly interested in more of that.
15:33 Darth Vader's relevance to the story is that he's THE Jedi killer, he only shows up when a jedi has been located. And the only reason he's on Jedha is because Bode called the Empire and alerted the Inquisitorius; which Vader is in command of. Besides, bro has beef with Cere cause she got away from him last time, you really forget how petty Vader is?
I mentioned in the video that Vader being there works in a vacuum - meaning his presence does objectively make sense. However, even though his appearance here is competently done, I’m just tired of seeing him making dramatic entrances into almost every Star Wars thing. It just feels less exciting or intriguing than it would if it were a character we didn’t already know everything about or had a long history with. I kinda just wish he was retired from being used from now on - still a hall of famer that we remember fondly, but making room for new villains. Might not be totally fair and I’m probably in the minority with that opinion, but it’s just how I feel every time he shows up
@@kirklinden vader is used very sparingly in star wars unless hes a direct part of the story, hes had like what 3 or 4 appearances over the course of 10 years?
Yeah sounds like your take on vader is becoming increasingly more subjective as time passes. More of a you problem as youth would say
@@polotecson7947 Facts
It’s so interesting to me because I thought Dagan Geras bossfight was a complete joke while I found Rayvis to be extremely difficult
Yeah that's the funny thing about video games right? It's different for everyone, and its interesting to see how people had different experiences with it. I mean if I didn't struggle and get stuck at the Vader fight, I probably wouldn't have been fired up enough to make the video lol
@@kirklinden I think the only boss fight in this series I remember having a serious struggle on was Malicous in the original game. He kicked my ass for an entire day. While I felt like most boss fights could be finished off quickly. Bode was harder than any of the Dagan boss fights.
Also, I think Jedi Survivor gives you so much flexibility in weapon style & what kinds of upgrades you might have at any given time, that leaves it open for people to have different experiences with difficulty. Someone who explores enough to get health upgrades is going to feel the difficultly balance differently.
I used the normal single/double bladed saber stances the entire game, never touching blaster stance or crossguard and only dabbling in duel wielding. So, I fundamentally approached combat in a way that was specific to me and maybe those boss fights would have looked different if I didn't remain set in my ways from the original game
@@TheJadedJames yeah the customization of play style in Jedi: Survivor was one of my favorite aspects (it’s also why I was irritated when they stripped that all away for the Vader fight). I talk about it at the end of the video, but yeah everyone is going to have a different experience depending on how they choose to play, and that’s the magic of video games that allow that kind of flexibility.
@@kirklinden This made me consider how I probably breezed through the Cere section (and found Vader to be one of the easier boss fights) because I’d stuck with the single blade for both games. I didn’t mind Cere being limited to one move set (It is logical that Cere would have a more traditional style than Cal).
Actually felt like the game discouraged experimentation as you can only have two saber styles in your load out at a time AND you have to disperse limited upgrade points across multiple styles.
Keeping the single blade for normal encounters and the double blade for crowd control felt like the most logical way to play the game
@@TheJadedJames I played the beginning of the game with those stances as well, but once I unlocked some more and switched to blaster (for fodder enemies) and crossguard (for tougher 1v1 fights), it really clicked for me and I loved it. The game does let you redistribute your skill points (it costs something but its not much) so I ended up removing all the points I spent on single & double and put them into my new preferred stances. I think if I stuck with the single blade, I probably would have been better suited to handle the Vader fight, but obviously I didn't know that was gonna be a thing lol
8/10 not enough Jar Jar
I think the message that Bode sent, under the cover of recording a message to Kata, specifically requested Vader. At least that's the way I understand the Force Echo in the Archive after the game opens up for exploration. Not to mention that there were now only something like 12-14 Inquisitors to search the entire galaxy after the deaths of the Second Sister and Ninth Sister.
Interesting observation!
Correct. Bode does call for Vader specifically. I assume Bode hoped it would get him brownie points or a nice reward from Vader for undermining Denvik (the officer or whatever who sent Bode after them in the first place). Bode hated Denvik probably more than Cal does by the end of it and knew reporting his finding of Cere and the Archive directly to Vader instead of Denvik, would eventually lead to Vader learning of Denvik's meddling behind his back and ultimately, lead to Vader killing Denvik, which he does. Bode is a true spy master and mercenary, he's playing all sides from every angle in the interest of his daughter.
Wake me up when when we finally get a custom jedi character on modern systems
I agree with everything you said but Vader is known for hunting down Jedi he has comics that relates to him cutting down Jedi
Good video man, keep up the good work !
why does he have the same exact expression throughout the whole game lmao
great video bro, keep up
Good video, love the quality - keep it up
Much appreciated!
Quick disclaimer, I agree that expressing your views on Star Wars online IS a minefield now days. Also, I largely agree that since being bought out by Disney, Star Wars is VERY over saturated and overall not great most of the time. I also agree mostly about Vader being used in everything for nostalgic baiting or just cheap fan service.
All of that aside, Vader showing up in this game for five minutes shouldn't be a deal breaker. It makes sense for him to be there, as it was a conclusion to Cere's story, as well as a method to demonstrate just how powerful Cere had become now that she found inner peace. Vader shows up in this one not for fan service, but to hunt down Cere specifically, he is THERE FOR her. Why? Because she went after him at the end of the first game, where it again made sense for him to show up. Cere was the former master of Trilla, who became one of Vader's Inquisitor's, and when she failed him too many times, Vader, like he always has, showed up to put an end to her and her failures. Vader killing Trilla in front of Cere when she wanted to help her former padawan nearly drove Cere to the dark side and nearly got her killed by Vader. So Vader showing up in this game to settle the score and tie up that little subplot makes perfect sense without it being "cheap fan service".
On top of all of that, it also serves as another catalyst to push Cal in his own journey. Like Cere when she lost Trilla, Cal nearly loses himself to the dark side over Cere's death when confronted with the man who set all this in motion. And it remains unclear where Cal's journey will end in the next and final game. Will he remain vigilant in the light? Raise and train Kata and guide her? Or will he lose himself to the dark side and become some evil Cal like has been teased since the very first game?
Personally, to me, this game would be great with or without Vader. I don't feel like the devs needed to throw Vader in there to remind everyone this is a Star Wars game. Everyone playing it is very aware of what it is. So I don't think that was the intention. I genuinely believe this is one of the RARE and few GOOD uses of Vader we have seen in many many years.
So far the people commenting here have kept things civil, which is a pleasant surprise considering the topic is Star Wars!
You make a lot of valid points! I knew I spent a disproportionate amount of time complaining about the Vader part, but I absolutely don’t think it’s a dealbreaker by any means. I tried (but may not have succeeded) to convey that I like this game very much and is definitely is worth playing. This video is largely nit picking because of how close this game came to being an all-time classic imo, but for me, justtt missed the mark (but just barely!!).
The game still worked for me overall and I’m excited to play another game (assuming it’s being made). I’m also curious to see where they take Cal’s story next. All this is stuff is subjective but I can absolutely see how everything you laid out makes sense and works narratively. Vader being there makes sense objectively… it’s probably just a “me” problem that I’m so distracted by his frequent appearances.
(edit: Just clarifying - I realize you said this is one of the rare good appearances, and I can agree with that - I'm just at the stage of burnout where I don't want to see him at all anymore, even if its done well. I know that's borderline irrational and I'm probably in the minority there, but that's also why I overreacted to the Vader part of Jedi: Survivor and was inspired to rant about it)
Thanks for your thoughtful comment!
Good review but I hard disagree on the Vader fight, relying on familiar characters can and has held certain Star Wars stories back but essentially calling something "Nostalgia Bait" (no matter how many words you use to say it) is lazy critique.
I think it was a really good use of Vader because the moment he opens the door you know that Cere is just buying time by sacrificing herself, If anyone else came through there wouldn't be that same futile sense of dread. I think it put a bow on her story (not necessarily a nice one) by giving her the rematch, then in her last moments, the first person she thinks of was Trilla, who Vader killed in the last game.
I also think it was a cool way to illustrate Bode's position, where he essentially double crosses both us and his boss in a way that makes sense by pitting both us and the ISB against Vader while Bode gets away from everyone he was tied down to; Vader wasn't just there by narrative coincidence but because in universe it's actually really clever for Bode to use the Inquisitorius in that way.
If we fought him as Cal, then I'd agree; It'd just feel cheap for Cal to walk away from a Vader fight.
Either way I'm Subbing
Even though I did clearly have problems with the Vader part, I never implied that it was a coincidence. His presence does makes sense objectively (in the video I said that it makes sense in a vacuum), and is decently implemented here. That wasn't my problem really, it was more about how I personally don't have that same feeling of dread you felt when the famous villain walks in, mostly because this is a character that shows up in SW a little too often for my taste. He feels like a meme to some degree, so in my view it actually took away from the weight of the moment. I just thought it was a missed opportunity to introduce a new villain (like Trilla in Fallen Order). Again, I might be in the minority there, but that's how I felt.
I also should have clarified that my issue about not controlling Cal in that fight was purely a gameplay criticism, not a narrative one. I know it wouldn't make as much sense for the story if it were Cal, but I just wish we got to use all of the abilities we had built up throughout the game.
I'm glad it all worked for you - it's a quality game and the story is well realized, so I understand why so many people didn't have a problem with it. It mostly worked for me too! Unfortunately the Vader section derailed things for me. As mentioned in the video, if I didn't get stuck at that point and spend an additional few hours trying to get past the Vader fight, I think it would have would have worked a lot better for me. But it didn't play out that way, and it got me thinking (maybe too much) about how seeing Vader isn't special to me anymore.
All that being said, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I appreciate hearing everyone's view on this game. I criticize it because I care; I like the game, I like the devs, and I'm excited to see what they have in store for the next game
Hmmm I appreciate this review. I didn't mind Vader showing up because it makes sense he would be on the hunt for Cere and he knows no one but him could kill her. It makes sense when Bode tells the empire about her being there for Vader to go and handle himself. Granted I do get after beating Dagan it does feel like the game just keeps going despite you thinking he is overall the antagonist
Ill die on the hill that says we should make a canon Starkiller. Still have him as Vaders secret apprentice but not strong enough to be put against both side and have him pose as an inquisiter.
Use him to replace the Vader fight.
7:15-7:20. The “Metroid Prime” structure level design you mentioned is sometimes referred to as a “Metroidvania”. The whole “backtracking once you have the correct item and/or traversal upgrade” thing. Just trying to help in case you needed a more simplified way to explain what you were talking about, “Metroidvania” will usually get your point across even though these games are traditionally and typically side-scrollers, this level design is also seen in games like Dark Souls, Metroid Prime and obviously all the Castlevania and Metroid games.
Yeah I'm well aware of the term, and Metroidvanias are some of my favorite games. I'm also a big fan of all of the FromSoft games like Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring etc, so all that stuff is definitely in my wheelhouse.
Not sure why I didn't just say that word there, maybe because Metroid Prime: Remastered was on my mind, but I also didn't mind explaining the concept in case people watching hadn't heard of that term before.
Nah, i think some of the vader issue is an issue of perspective. You ARE a jedi, WITH jedi, part of the star wars story is you ARE hunted by Vader, that was his one and only job, to kill them all. he hunted you down in one, and he hunted you down in two. the boogeyman has to catch up with you eventually or hes never a threat. So, in this sense i guess i reject categorizing the vader scene as a cameo, because its integral to the setting and time frame. But i do agree that fight should have been, if you win you get a cool extra cut scene and maybe something cool. but if you loose you should just get the "he destroys you" video. and move on
True! Vader as the boogeyman is a good way to put it. I think for me that’s just part of the Jedi story that’s been portrayed so many times that it’s not something I get excited about anymore
16:57 I think the issue here is that you presume that Big Bad must mean being the most powerful. When in reality, it can just mean that they’re who the Story is ultimately going to put you against. Bode was the Big Bad for Cal Kestis’s personal story in this Game, Cal was always going to focus more on Bode’s betrayal than any Inquisitor or even Vader showing up and killing Cere, because at the end of the day, it was Bode that informed the Empire of the Hidden Path.
As for Vader’s appearance in the Game, as many have pointed out, hunting Jedi was, as Obi-Wan would put it, Vader’s “specialty”. Of course it also could’ve been any other Inquisitor that showed up as well, so what reason does Vader have to be specifically involved. Well, this is the end of Cere’s Storyline, and she actually has a personal history with Vader to an extent. Vader was the one person that Cere was terrified of the most while she was captive in the Fortress Inquisitorious. Vader represents Cere’s failure as a Master to Trilla, and he represents the Darkness within Cere as well.
Finally Vader represents one of the main aspects of the Story, that was told from the very beginning, despite everything Cal and the gang does, the Empire is everywhere, and they’re only growing Stronger. Vader doesn’t necessarily represent the Empire itself, but rather he represents the fact that, as he himself put it in the very fight “It is delusion to think your actions have had any consequence.” Vader represents what is essentially, the fruitless resistance against the Empire (atleast at the point in time that Jedi Survivor takes place in)
Also, if it isn’t Vader, who else could it have been? You say they could’ve brought in a new character like the other three Main Antagonists of the Story, but as it’s been made clear, this was pretty much nearing the Climax of the Story, there wouldn’t have been enough time to really develop a new Inquisitor they introduce. Not to mention that Cere for the most part is powerful enough to trump most Inquisitors. So at best, the Grand Inquisitor could’ve been the one to kill Cere than Vader, but as was established, Vader has more of a personal connection to Cere at this point in time, so logically it couldn’t have been anyone BUT Vader to show up and finish her off. The personal connection here pretty much shows that this does in fact work outside of a Vacuum.
it be cool if we could get like some kind of imperial vice admiral or something like that as a main villian for a star wars game
I agree with all your points and this is a really good review. I don’t really agree with the Vader part for most of the reasons other people have already said so I’m not gonna regurgitate those points. I agree that Vader popping up everywhere can be boring but they need the big bad Vader to come in to kill cere. Anyone else and it wouldn’t have felt right, also Vaders entrance at the end of the last game was to humble you and show that even though you spent this whole game leveling up and becoming powerful you are nothing when it comes to Vader. At least that’s how I perceived it and thought it was perfect in that sense. His appearance in this game is necessary and not a cameo/fan service in my opinion because he’s the top dog and seeing him come in shows that you are making an impact and what you are doing is meaningful because its on his radar.
The real sith lord is disney, and their apprentice EA
I get where you're coming from but Vader had a legit reason to be there. The Archives is a very high value target, in addition to there being three high profile jedi there. Having said that I agree with much of what you had to say about that fight.
No way you guessed boed was an imperial Jedi spy without seeing or knowing there was a twist
I didn’t know specifically that he was an Imperial Jedi spy (nor did I say that I did) However, it was pretty easy to see that something nefarious was up with him and that he might be a bad guy. Not only were there lots of hints, but the “new friend turns out to be a traitor” turn is a plot device that has been frequently used in fiction for as long as stories have been told. So no, didn’t know he worked for the Empire or was a Jedi, but c’mon you don’t need premeditation powers to see that twist coming
@@kirklinden when the game came out I didn’t see a single streamer say he seems suspect until the public started getting to the point where he betrayed everyone. Then everyone started predicting his turn.
@@dieusonmalcomson7335 Not really sure why I would lie about this lol I’m not even bragging about it or anything. I didn’t watch anyone stream or play this game outside of some tech performance videos, but believe whatever you want!
@@kirklinden I mean if you said that you already knew the major plot twist of the game before playing it would kind of negate your entire view point of not liking the story.
@@dieusonmalcomson7335 So, you're implying that the only way that someone could enjoy a story is if... they are surprised by a plot twist? That would be a pretty sad way to experience stories.
To me a good story is more about the characters and the journey, less so about the plot or the "destination". Lots of popular stories have pretty predictable plots (perhaps you've seen a superhero movie or a rom-com), but can still be enjoyable because of the characters and their growth.
...But no you're right, my whole view is negated because I partially sniffed out one of the plot points. Rats!
Also you seem to have missed the part in the video where I said that I didn't really mind the twist lol. I said it was a tad predictable but didn't get in the way of my enjoyment - I liked the story, so I'm not even sure what you're arguing. Hope this clears things up!
so right about the vader fight
Idk why you think the Vader fight detracts from the story. Why would they create a whole new character to represent the empire we already know well. He serves the purpose of reminding us abt cal and the crews place in the larger Star Wars canon, and contrasts the ISB later on. He also serves to show how powerful and legendary of a Jedi cere is by almost taking him out. The moment wouldn’t nearly hit as hard with some random new character that leaves as quickly as introduced. Great video man, I agree with most of what you had to say!
I saw one of ur comments and I totally get being tired of seeing Vader in every Star Wars thing, so I get where ur coming from
I have to agree with you in regards to the Vader fight. I knew Cere would lose and therefore wasn't motivated to even participate. I tried four times and, like you, decreased the difficulty just to get it over with. But too many content creators are using the term, "fan service" like it's a bad thing. I'm a huge Star Wars fan (I was ten years old when the original movie came out) and I demand to be serviced! The presence of Vader didn't bother me, but not facing him as Cal did.
I normally don't bother with customizations that affect cosmetics only and not actual game play, but I LOVED them in this game and spent literal hours on tweaking my lightsaber/blaster/BD-1 combinations until I got them to be a reasonable facsimile of my personality. It felt so much more immersive.
The STORY was where this game truly shined. The juxtaposition of the good and bad examples of the passion that comes with intimate relationships (Bode-Kata and Degan-Santari relationships ignited passions that led to the Dark Side whereas Cal-Merrin relationship pulled him back from the Dark Side)--and how obsession can lead into making very dark decisions (Degan's obsession with Tanalore vs. Cal's obsession with fighting the Empire).
I'm worried that Stig Aasmussen leaving Respawn will mean that the Jedi series will go off the deep end, but--despite that--will be in line to pre-buy the final game in the Jedi Trilogy!
Sorry for the long comment! Keep putting out great reviews!
Stig's departure is a bit concerning, but hopefully the rest of the team at Respawn can land the plane with the next game. I'll remain optimistic until I have reason to believe otherwise.
I know what you mean about the term 'fan service', and I probably should have come up with a more nuanced way to describe what I meant. Fan service is double-edged sword - on one hand pleasing the fans is a good thing! But if the thought from the top execs at Disney is "the fans don't want new things, they want more Yoda, Darth Vader, Luke, and Chewy", then it turns into a bad thing, almost being disrespectful and underestimating the fans. That being said, Star Wars is such a MASSIVE IP which means there are tons of fans, and they certainly don't all want the same thing (some fans probably LOVE seeing the tried and true characters constantly reappearing). Disney clearly wants to service as many types of fans as possible, and Jedi: Survivor falls closer in line to the type of thing I want to see out of Star Wars. Despite my complaints, I agree about the story - I really liked it! I particularly enjoyed the Cal - Merrin dynamic juxtaposed with all of the terrible loss that Cal experienced.
One thing I wish I elaborated on in the video is that I don't think there was necessarily a mandate from the devs at Respawn to include Vader or other Star Wars-y things - I imagine a lot of that came out of passion for the franchise. However, I do think that in order to get Star Wars projects approved from the higher ups at Disney, there MIGHT be some kind of pressure to include some of the more marketable aspects of Star Wars in the game.
For what it's worth, I did enjoy customizing BD-1, my lightsaber, and Cal's look... but even then I would still be disappointed when I found a secret area only to find a new "metal finish" or whatever for the lightsabers. I tried to imagine how that must have been for players who don't care about the aesthetics as much (many of my friends don't care for that part of gaming) and the exploration rewards were probably underwhelming for those people.
Thanks for your thoughtful response! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@kirklinden Well said, Kirk! Looking forward to more videos from you!
It would have made absolute no sense for Cal to face Vader in this Game, like at all, they barely interacted in Fallen Order, and Cal was more focused on going after Bode at the moment.
@@nickcalderon2637I can see that. Do you think Vader should not have been killed included in this game? Or that his inclusion be a cut scene? Or do you think that playing as Cere was ultimately the best decision by the developers?
@@thegreyfoxmandem I was moreso focusing on the part where you said that Cal not being the one to face Vader was what bothered you. I think how Vader was handled in this Game was ultimately for the best. I have a bigger comment in the comment section that explains my views on Vaders inclusion in the Story (Gameplay is a separate aspect) a lot better.
I really enjoyed this game.. A LOT
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First of all - great job. You made very good arguments and outlined quite a few of the problems that Star Wars faces today, not only in the games, but especially in the live-action shows. Although, I'm not sure I completely agree with what you said in this particular case (with FO and Survivor). I am referring here mainly to the Vader problem. In Fallen Order, I always thought that the appearance of Vader and his brief role in the story were done perfectly. I absolutely love that the moment Vader appears all the characters and enemies from the game become irrelevant and very small in comparison. I love that you didn't actually fight Vader, because he is just too powerful for Cal and Cere. The only solution was to run away. In terms of Star Wars lore, it also made sense, since Vader's fortress was on Mustafar, right next to Nur, where there was the fortress inquisitorius. If there was an intruder in the fortress, Vader should show up right away, especially since the Jedi holocron was involved.
As for Survivor, I would agree with everything you said if it was Cal fighting Vader on Jedha. But Cal was busy chasing after Bode. Cal didn't see Vader in the game at all. Throughout the game, Cal did not deviate from his story to face Vader, or any other well-known character who was completely unrelated to the story. Cere had to die to affect Cal and his further adventures. Who was going to kill Cere, if not the most powerful Sith in the Empire, who is hunting Jedi during this period? It honestly kind of makes sense. At the end of the day, it's a game about Jedi. It takes place during the height of the Empire, which sends inquisitors and Vader to hunt them down. Story-wise it makes sense that Vader would be involved in Cal's and Cere's story.
Sorry if I elaborated too much. This is my approach. I think so far the Jedi games are great, if the third game delivers, it will be a great Star Wars game trilogy.
I thought it was a fantastic game. The fight between Cere and Vader was extremely challenging (and I agree on your balance-issue sentiment), but also an emotional rollercoaster at its conclusion. This also put on display how high the stakes were (losing both Cere and Cordova. Bode's betrayal. The Empire's eventual occupation of Koboh), how Cal's resistance against the Empire began to wane, the walls closing in, and the psychological impact it had on him. All these things demonstrated the inevitability of the Empire's power and the depths it will sink to ensure its survival. The game should have focused more on this as the central part of its story. The Dagon and Rayvis (seeking Tanalorr) arc felt like too much of a deviation/distraction from Cal's original purpose, which was defeating the Inquisitors and crippling the Empire wherever possible.
Vader isn't wedge into the story. He is apart of it. He oversaw Cere and Suduri torture, and turned Suduri into the Second Sister. Not to mention Cere and Cal broke into is inquisitor base and pissed him off. I thought the end of the first game made is clear a day, at some point Cal and Vader will cross paths again. Vader killing Cere gives Cal a far better reason to force that conflict now.
I think i would have loved the idea where you get one shot at vader. because it the first game he seemed soo powerful that it seemed like you would get one shot. So it made him less scary to be able to fight him. I do know during this time frame of the canon, vader is hunting the jedi, but i agree if we were to have another sister that has been hunting the jedi down (which is their whole job) to build a new villain we arent familiar with
I loved the Second Sister as the villain in the first game - it makes sense that Vader wouldn't be the only one on the mission of hunting Jedi
Yeah i like that concept a lot. It would've been cool if you had a stack of 15 heals so the fight was a bit longer and you had to try to learn his move set so that the fight felt beatable, and then if you won but lost got some sort of item or cosmetic. I get that the devs probably wanted to lean into vaders moves and stuff, that way you didnt have to fight him a bunch of times just to lose anyway.
I totally agree about the cheapening inclusion of Vader. In the first one, it made an amount of sense for Vader to show up at least briefly, because the ongoing issue of the inquisitors had a direct connection to Him. And there are numerous examples in lore of Him stepping in when his Inquisitors were not getting the job done. I've not played Survivor, but in how you recounted it, I never saw anything that would build toward a revelation of his involvement or even notice. That should have been something sprinkled in or set up storywise, if they intended to do that at some point. Make it make sense that he even cares, or has been tracking the other bad guys with interest or something like that.
I agree that it really seems like that star player who has 3 great quarters and then gets in his own head near the end and loses confidence, despite being in the lead.
Supposedly there were a few subtle hints along the way that signaled he might be showing up later (at least according to some of the other comments on this video), but since it's a video game and there's so much going on, I must have missed it during my playthrough. I was paying pretty close attention, so if I missed that detail, I imagine other people probably missed it as well. However in the end that wasn't the thing I was criticizing - even though his appearance can be justified within the story (I mentioned that it does make sense in a vacuum), my point about him being oversaturated on a big picture cultural level it where the problem lies for me. Also a missed opportunity for a new character / inquisitor / apprentice to be introduced.
I appreciate your sports analogy, as someone who is deeply invested in the NBA playoffs rn that resonates with me lol.
Thanks for watching!
I think another point with Vader showing up in these situations is that it’s NEVER really enjoyable for the player or watcher. Like when a random with shows up to fight a Jedi you’re like “ok I know this Jedi can stand a chance so let’s see what happens” but with Vader we know he doesn’t die or gets beat here so your just like “cool I gotta sit through 20min just to inevitably get my ass creamed…..”
Like it ends up being too predictable. Vader shows up, treats Jedi like trash fodder, leaves…rinse repeat
Exactly
@@kirklindenIt just annoying they giving Vader plot armor all the time look I agree that Vader is a badass and powerful but he not unbeatable he can still be defeated without killing him.
@@jaieregilmore971 Plot armor is a good phrase to use for Vader
It's like they watched The Force Unleashed Vader fight and thought "Oh cool, we can put that in our game!" without understanding why Vader's role in TFU worked.
awesome video! I enjoyed the Vader cameo more than you did, and now, for the 3rd game, it kind of feels like Vader is going to have to be the big bad, he has been the looming shadow in the last 2 games, so him not being in the 3rd one will make his appearances feel disconnected. Don’t you agree?
Yeah you’re right. Best case scenario IMO is that the big bad of the game is another inquisitor or apprentice / protege of Vader, and then Vader is mostly relegated to being used sparingly in cutscenes as the overseer. But yeah, he’ll almost certainly be in the game and I need to be mentally prepared for it so I can still enjoy it lol
To be fair tho, hunting them isssss kinda right up Vaders alley, and the only job he has really beside menial task given to him by the emperor atp in the early empire
Yeah I mean that job definitely falls into his department lol, so I can totally see this part of the story working for a lot of people.
I guess for me I think we've already seen enough of Vader hunting down Jedi for it to be an exciting story beat
This is a really good video
Overall I was satisfied with the story but I agree. They didn't need to use *spoilers* at the end.
Could have been a perfect spot to slot in the Secret Apprentice.
Totally - that could have been spicy!
this game was such a masterpiece for me. It should have won game of the year
I had some constructive criticism, but I generally had a great time with this game. Looking forward to the next one
I have to disagree with the Vader part. I was losing interest till that part and I think it worked better then first game because it’s like her trying to avenge the second sister. Also her dying to Vader builds up for the third game where you know cal is going to have to fight Vader. But I can understand your point especially if you forgot about second sister. I think what made this game not as enjoyable for me as the first was that I hated the main planet and how many times I went back to it. Ya the first had back tracking but I was seeing new areas etc. that’s my opinion thou.
So I think the positive side of having Vader show up as a villain outside of the original films is that having a villain you know lives instantly raises the stakes do you escape, can you hold him off, do you die uselessly? In rebels by the time they had Vader show up even the grand inquisitor just wasn't all that scary anymore, but the first appearance of Vader in that show felt like as legitimate a brown trousers moment as you could have gotten. That being said I agree that you should've have have to win any fight that ends in an unavoidable cut-scene of you loosing.
lol'd at "brown trousers moment"
I haven't watched any of the animated Star Wars shows, but I've heard good things. Might have to dip into those at some point.
@@kirklinden They all tend to get better after the first season or two. I absolutely agree that Vader was a pace break and probably not needed. I just don't think his appearance in a SW property is an inherently bad thing, just so long as you don't pull a force unleashed and actually let the player beat him. In fact I think something bad should happen every time he shows up on screen, you fail the mission, a character that you care about gets captured maimed or killed, or you escape but you have to lose something in the process.
@@TheMichaellathrop No I'm with you in that Vader's appearance isn't inherently a bad thing - I just think there was a time in the past when his appearances were less frequent and held a little more weight. At this point in 2024 (or 2023 when the game came out), the thrill of seeing Vader has been watered down due to him being around so often. But obviously mileage may vary on that depending on the person
Edit: And yeah I also think they had an opportunity to do something interesting gameplay wise if you are gonna lose the fight to him no matter what. It's not BAD as is, but a missed opportunity
I think the Vader fight should've been like the first Bode fight; it's a matter of when you lose, not if. It'd further the sense of futility. All that would change is Vader's attitude towards Cere at the end; if you die during the first phase, he'd just say "All too easy.", if you die in the second phase, he'd say "Admirable, but futile.", if you die in the third phase, he'd say "Impressive.", and if you actually manage to "beat the boss fight", he'd defeat Cere in some OP chosen one force move and walk away quietly limping as he did, showing that it didn't matter. This way Vader's appearance is effectively just a cameo again.
Yeah this is the kind of thing I’d like to see when he inevitably shows up in the next game. His appearance alone isn’t a problem, but I’d like for him to take a step out of the spotlight
I loved the first game... the second game had a strange input lag on the xbox. It was only a half second, but enough to make blocking and dodging really hard to time
I didn’t talk much about the technical problems because there are other people who have made good videos about that - but yeah that’s no good. I thankfully didn’t have input lag on PS5 plugged into a computer monitor, because that would have definitely ruined the experience. Just a thought - are you playing on a TV? Some TVs add input lag unless they’re in ‘gaming mode’ or whatever preset. If you have another TV or monitor, you could try your Xbox on a different screen and see if the problem persists. If it is the game that’s the problem, that’s a bummer cause the game feels great to play normally.
I think the Vader's appearance in games still has a role to play and Fallen Order did a good job conveying this: He should be this overwhelming embodiment declaring that "No matter how strong the character has become, they're ultimately just a disposable extra when they encounter the likes of Vader and the full attention of the empire". He should serve as a stick in the ground giving perspective to ensure the player is never left feeling like their own character could've just done what Luke Skywalker did. I feel like this is actually why Starkiller dropped off in the later stages of his game imo anyway, he turns from a small part in a larger picture to the big boss just so the player can get a chance to best established characters.
this is a stretch , but it would be cool if they added starkiller in game instead of vader ; gave em' some extra praise i feel.
your intro music reminded me of Dark Forces
Good ears! That track is from the first cutscene in Dark Forces
@kirklinden it was my first star wars game I ever played at 14 or so. That was burned into my soul. Excellent video.
@@bearb1asting 🙏
Finally someone that agrees with me! I had the exact same feeling when Vader showed up... Like "OH C'MOOOON, AGAIN?! Booooring...."
There are dozens of us… dozens!!
I honestly think it couldve been one of my favorite games ever if it didnt have the performance issues. Sadly, theyre still not gone. Once they are (if ever), ill give the game another shot
Yeah performance issues are a real bummer. I would have played on PC, but from what I hear it seems the PC port is still broken. It’s mostly stable on PS5 now, but still not perfect. I mention the tech issues in the video briefly, but should have probably emphasized more that it is another big thing holding the game back. I played the first game on PS4 pro and it did not run well… the game was somehow good enough that I looked past it… but yeah it’s wild how poorly they both perform considering Respawn also made Titanfall 2, which is an incredibly optimized game that performs like a dream
@@kirklinden Yeah like i still enjoyed the game a lot, i think the Story was really great, but being used to run everything smoothly without issues and going to 40fps was rough for my enjoyment...
I just finished playing jedi survivor on ps5 this week. And it is still super rough stuttering and skipping frames especially when walking in water. A little after the rayvis fight, the game crashed and at that point I just uninstalled it because I wasn't having fun anymore.
@@hilosky Oof that’s a bummer. Yeah the water uses some kind of SSR technique that looks absolutely terrible when you walk in it, and yeah there’s that area on Koboh with the big body of water where the fps tanks. Game never crashed for me, but I can totally see being frustrated by that
What difficulty did you play on?
Jedi Knight, default difficulty
@@kirklinden don’t think you can properly judge how hard some boss fights are then. Ex Rayvis has an entirely different mechanic on Grand Master.
i would have preffered to play as vader in the jedha sction.
Assassin’s Creed Origins had the exact same issue with allowing customization. You spend hours customizing Bayek to your play style and then get hit with Aya. Game devs need to stop forcing characters with fixed abilities into games that allow customization
It's just for one or two missions.
Also, I'm just guessing,but it's likely Aya was planned to be a full second playable character like in Gow RAGNAROK, then cut it out at some stage. All the recent AC games have had customisable female playable characters since syndicate
I felt your anger on that Vader fight. That was some extreme B's out of nowhere...like I was hyped when he popped up...then he kept popping up over and over
This Vader boss fight could have work if like you said play as cal face Vader but have him still lose and before Vader get the final blow have sear come in and save him sacrifice her life to preserve his giving her a cool send off I know it a typical hero ending but would have been better then what we go
Gameplay wise, I would have really liked to play as Cal for the Vader fight.
My biggest gripe with Jedi Survivor have to be the villains. So disappointing, so lazy, so predictable and flat. Dagan Gera, the more interesting of the bunch, turned out to be just a whiny primadonna who's entire character can be summed up as "Muh Tanalorr". No ulterior motives, no attempt at trying to sway Cal to his cause. No, just endless screaming and throwing tantrums about the Jedi not letting use his secret playground in the deadly nebula. He did absolutely nothing to improve the already abysmal reputation of the High Republic.
The other is Bode. I knew from the start he was gonna betray Cal, there's just no way you introduce this random new guy who acts so buddy-buddy with the protagonist without him having ulterior motives. I didn't expect him to be a former Jedi working for the Empire, but he was such an obvious red flag, I was taken out of the game the moment he killed Cordova.
And this betrayal doesn't exactly add anything, nor did I care that he did it for his family, because he became too unredeemable to be pardoned in any way.
As for Vader showing up, at this point I don't care anymore. Disney has already cheapened him by making him this unbeatable Force God that always faces off against fodder. In fact, I was happy that for once they made Cere being able to damage him.
I have to disagree with Disney turning Vader to "unbeatable force god". He gets his ass beaten multiple times in comics, here, Rebels and in Kenobi.
Dagan and Bode role isn't to a big bad with some grand schemes of power. They are reflections of Cal and mean to be a lesson for him.
Dagan, Bode and Cal are driven by a single-minded obsession, with an "I'm right, your wrong" attitude. And it ultimately cost them all the people they care for.
@@notobi-wan8344 Uhhh No, he's disgustingly OP and only loses for plot reasons. In the comics, all he's ever faced was fodder, and the only times he was challenged was because he still had no lightsaber against that grey skinned Jedi, or because Momin took him by surprise, or because they suddenly remembered Palpatine is more powerful than him.
Count them, 3 times. He NEVER gets beaten in Rebels, Kanan and Ezra just just briefly Force push him away and all Ahsoka could land on him was just breaking his helmet without harming him in any way. In Kenobi and Survivor, he had to be beaten only because of the plot. Yes, one can argue Obi Wan finally focused, and so did Cere. But Obi Wan was running away like a coward just a few days earlier, whereas Cere even managed to hold him to ground and raise a Force barrier after years of being cut from the Force in Fallen Order. Therefore, I find Cere's accomplishment more believable than the rest.
Still, as you can see, the times he was beaten can be counted on one hand. And no, Rebels does not count because he was still in fighting condition.
@@Coasterguy1731 The problem is Dagan has no nuance, he's just a conceited self-consumed baby with a morbid obsession for his secret playground in the Abyss. If it was so important, it would have played a bigger role in the bigger High Republic narrative, but it didn't.
Bode could've worked, but they made him too unredeemable to feel any sympathy. Even Kata was begging him to stop for a moment.
So regardless, Cal is the only one worth feeling for.
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I don’t think you were meant to feel Sympathy in the sense that they were “Poor boys that were unrightfully punished”. As the other guy said, they were meant to be reflections of Cal’s state of mind throughout the Story, they’re meant moreso to be warnings of what will happen to Cal if he continues down the Dark Path that he’s begun to tap into.
Dagan doesn’t need Nuance, he doesn’t care about anything besides Tanalorr because he’s been stuck in time for Hundreds of Years and thus has NOTHING besides Tanalorr now. It’s important to him, and that’s what ultimately matters to him and our Cast. As for Bode, some people felt sympathy for him, others don’t, the point is in his mad obsession with his Daughter, he fell into the same trap that Anakin did in Revenge of the Sith and chose to betray everyone he knew in favor of “protecting” his daughter, which did little more than make her far more terrified of what he was becoming than anything. The point is, Dagan and Bode represent what falling to the Dark Side does most of the time, it’s what Star Wars has always been about, it was never supposed to be Subtle or as nuanced.
18:54 this is completely a you problem lmao ive never heard anyone else say this before and its not worth dedicating the longest section of the video to
a very bad pc port ,i should be able to run the game on high with my configuration ,but sometimes the games drops under 20 fps for no reason at all (especially in the catina hub part of the game) + the map interface is really bad
Yeah I would have preferred to play on PC as well, but I’ve just seen nothing but bad things about the PC port. It’s a shame that the game is a year old at this point and still has major issues
Dude they won game of the year
this type of argument is the worst shit ever. "ur not allowed to criticize this movie!! it got 90 on rotten tomatoes!" foh lol. also dude is very positive for alot of it hes not even outright hating on it u cant even take that?
I didn't see Bodes betrayal coming mainly cause he's voiced by the same guy who voiced Charles
Literally as soon as I saw his face
You think Vader is fan service in this game but NOT Rogue One?
Oh no I do, Rogue One feels very much like a fan film imo. I don't really care for it, and I included it in the Vader segment as an example of his oversaturation. I do, however, think they figured out something good with the Andor TV show though
its a souls like game. The game shouldnt even have a difficulty slider. Its supposed to be hard. Cere is supposed to face vader. The last time she faced him she nearly fell to the darkside, this time, aligned with the light in whole. She faces him as a Jedi knight, Not as a survivor. She dies holding him off. That always had to happen. If it didnt happen in survivor, It wouldve happened in the next game.
EA app is holding me back from experiencing this game 😅
you just like me for real. nah after the vader fight, I just finished on easy. Great video
Ok you lost me at the point where you said the map was useful.
It is NOT. At one point I got stuck in the Lukrehulk and went in circles for like half an hour due to the games annoying insistence of blocking paths or making them mostly one way, I had to kill myself so I got respawned at a meditation point so I could fast travel away and for that I first had to change the difficulty because I switched to story mode since the fighting became bothersome.
Overall the entire experience was mid at best and terrible in some places where I won't even bother with the sequel, with Fallen Order I at least had the hope that Survivor wilould improve things and felt invested enough to see what it would bring but with the third game this is not the case the bad things stayed the same and some of the mediocre parts just got worse
I like your review though I disagree with you about Dagan. He was the weakest part of the game and his motivation was terrible. He fell to the Darkside because he couldn't train Jedi on Tanalorr
Yeah tbh he wasn't that amazing of a villain, but seeing him on screen didn't make me groan on sight like a certain other villain lol. I appreciated the effort to introduce someone new at the very least.
Glad you liked the video!
@kirklinden Did you try the new game plus mode with the perma death style 1 hit 1kill perk mode. That was tough.
Also I always felt post game them dragging around Kata was awkward. Merrin telling a 9yr old yes your dad was executed right in front of you but get over it was hilarious. And Cal giving her the compass in the cut scene like she has any idea what it does is equally funny.
@@geraintthatcher3076 No I actually didn't try new game plus, mostly cause by the time the game was over I was feeling a little burnout. That sounds funny though I may have to try that out at some point lol
@kirklinden It's worth doing. They change up the enemies and you keep your skill points. Killing with 1 hit means boss fights are super easy but ordinary situations like a load of Stormtroopers or battle droids are super hard
@kirklinden To be Vaders post game Force echo on Nova Garon killing Denvik was good as was Cal going back force echoing himself and reading the fear of all the Imps as he killed them was pretty epic too
The game is a 0/10 because the main character is ginger
I agree with you about this one. I do like Jedi Survivor, but the story didn't have the same clean narrative and catharsis JFO did. There's a bit too much going on, too many villains, too many false climaxes, too many major deaths. I don't think I would have minded Vader's appearance if he was in fact the central villain of the story from the beginning. I could imagine Vader having a grudge against Cal for escaping during the last game. But shoehorning him in as an extended boss battle seemed like a distraction rather than enhancement to the story.
I liked the game, but yeah, my biggest issue was exactly Vader's fight, had to repeat it like seven times and when finally did, was so annoying Cere dies. I was like hell no, all my time for that crap!?
Still like the game and wanna see what's next on Cal, Merrin, Kata and Greez.
You were having fun and were DISAPPOINTED that the game DIDN'T end? 🤔
Make it make sense, bro. I was stoked.
Bode never CHANGED loyalties. He was always the Sith little bịtch POS that he died as.
Good video. But I just don't understand how you can be disappointed that the game didnt end if you're actually enjoying the game. 🤷♂️
As mentioned, might just be a “me” thing, but I thought the story stretched on a little too long for my taste. It wasn’t BAD, but pacing could have been better. Are you saying you never watched a movie that you were enjoying, but then went on a little too long? It happens sometimes! You may not agree, and that’s totally fine, but that’s how I felt with this game
Any property can overstay its welcome. The best one's (Avatar, Gravity falls, etc.) stop exactly when they mean to even if that leaves us wishing there was more.
the game definitely goes on too long for my PERSONAL taste and I quit playing some time after beating Rayvis, because I was satisfied with what I had already experienced.
And the game didn't have anything left to surprise me with. I instantly deduced that the guards at the beginning of the game were Cal's allies and that Bode would turn (though not that they weren't the same crew from the first game or that Bode was a force user). They also didn't hide that Dagan is an antagonist in the marketing.
So, I had my fun and stopped before it stopped being fun.
sekiro is a souls like tho so if jedi is like sekiro than its a souls like and therefore there really isn't anything wrong with comparing it to a dark souls game hell if you put the game on grandmaster it basically is a dark souls game.
edit: you've gotta be a bot if you think 30 hours of gameplay is too long your not a gamer man. A games value lies in how much time you can put into it and your acting like its a chore to play a good game that you could easily sink over 100 hours into. and do you really think any inquisitor could kill cere? vader was the natural choice. and what do you mean they had to add a "cannon character" do you not realise that the entire game is cannon?
I overall enjoyed the game, even though it has huge missed opportunities with all the jankiness, the janky animations, the combat that could be so much better and more interesting, the bland protagonist who never believably seems to feel the allure of the dark side as it is pretended …
But complaining about the main story being longer than you expected is really…. 😅 why??? If you complained about the main story being too short and the side missions and activities being too numerous and boring, that would make sense.
But why would you want the main story to end quickly? That’s the best content in the game, the best fights and places are in the main story.
You’re complaining about the combat, which I thought was excellent. You’re also complaining that the protagonist never is believably tempted by the dark side, which I don’t think is a problem. I could ask YOU why you’re complaining about those things, but I already know the answer: we have different opinions and that’s okay. Video games are a medium which the players can have wildly different experiences depending on how they play and what they do. You clearly played in a way where the story was perfectly paced, whereas the way I played caused me to feel a little burnout towards the end. I still enjoyed the story overall, but thought the pacing could have been better. We clearly have different opinions, but this stuff is subjective and both opinions are valid.
The thing about Tony Gilroy's run of Andor is: he's not a Star Wars fanboy. He's just interested in telling a story about an interesting set of characters in a particular universe with particular vibes and rules.
He's not a Star Wars fan either. All he did was saving Rogue One from being entirely dull, and making a completely pedestrian and generic spy thriller, with the blandest excuses of characters possible.
I hated the first game and won't play the second one.
I'm kind of getting the vibe that your "opinions" are just trolling for reactions. 😂
If I wanted to troll Star Wars fans for “reactions”, I would have come up with much more inflammatory and effective “opinions” than the ones I shared in the video. I assumed I could have some constructive criticism without being considered a troll, but maybe not!
Good video, but you don't have to qualify all of your opinions by stating that it's just your opinion and others may have a different opinion. We want YOUR opinion! Tell us YOUR opinion! Who cares what anyone else thinks! Secondly, I'll give my opinion, ha. I just fundamentally did not enjoy this game at all. I loved Fallen Order, but Jedi Survivor was a SLOG. The fights are just boring. They are boring at the beginning and boring all the way at the end of the game. The cinematic attacks take you out of the game and remind you that you're playing a story and not a game. The level design is infuriating, making you take huge enormous roundabouts to get back to where you started over and over. That's not Metroid Prime's level design, which blocked off an area you had to come back to (which Fallen Order did really well). Instead it shows you a place you want to get to, and puts arbitrary obstacles in your way to make you go through the funhouse to get to it. Lazy! The difficulty is strange, the ending sucks, I just hated this game.
haha I appreciate you telling me I dont need to qualify everything, and I normally would agree with that - but when talking about Star Wars on the internet, particularly when I'm being even slightly critical (such as questioning the appearance of a certain beloved character), I felt the need to emphasize the subjectivity of the video to prevent toxic discourse. It may have been wishful thinking, but it was my way of saying "hey I'm gonna say something that might upset some folks, but I'm not trying to start a fight here." I'm happy (and a little surprised) that most people in the comments who disagree with me are keeping things civil, but also even with me making it absolutely clear that this video is just my opinion and not a scientific fact, many are still not seeing it that way. Not sure theres any way to prevent that lol but I tried.
I enjoyed reading your opinion of the game as well and it's totally valid that you didn't like it. If we all agreed on everything, things would be pretty boring! Glad you liked the video!
So like….. wtf beef you got with Vader bruh? it’s ALWAYS necessary for THE Jedi killer to show up in a story that is literally a Jedi trying to survive after Order 66. Great vid but that’s an horrendous take
so much of this video is so dumb especially towards the end the fact that you have this many complaints on such a loved game is ridiculous. with all of the complaints you have the game that you wanted is an impossible task. its also clear that a lot of your problems with this game is because you are bad at it. also with your complaints about darth Vader are all so stupid because either you are just complaining for no reason or you don't understand star wars or don't know enough about it to know why putting in Darth Vader not only makes sense in the games story but also the overall story of star wars past ep3. the job of Darth Vader after ep3 and till ep4 was mostly to HUNT JEDI so the fact that there is a secret group of not only Jedi but force sensitives still alive and in such a scale that they had means that it was only a matter of time till the empires leading and most skilled Jedi killer would show up to kill them. I cant quite understand why you have such a problem with this star wars from ep1 to ep6 is entirely about the Skywalker legacy, Darth Vader is literally the main character of most of star wars, its a wizard space opera about him and his family and the effects they have on the galaxy, you wanted a different character to be the one that fought and killed Cere right so then who, inquisitors? if Cal can kill multiple of them then so can Cere, and then her losing to them makes 0 sense as well, some random imperial soldiers? nope that makes even less sense. this is a long rant and I'm mostly just annoyed as a whole today but still these complaints are just dumb
we can at least agree that oggdo was a pain in the ass
Very cool of you to take out your annoyance on me! You clearly disagree with me but felt the need to resort to petty insults, calling me dumb. Might be time to step outside and take a deep breath, buddy. This is a crazy concept I know, but not everyone consumes things the same way. Just because something is “such a loved game” means that everyone also has to like it? In your world it seems like there’s only room for one opinion. Also in the video I talk about how my struggles with Vader could have been a skill issue, and acknowledged that it was a difficulty spike for me - but I guess you were too mad to remember that part.
As far as me not understanding Star Wars - dude this shit isn’t rocket science it’s not that hard to understand. They’re relatively simple stories largely made for young people. One of the reasons Star Wars is so popular is because it’s so easy to understand and get into. Also for what it’s worth, just from your tone I’m guessing you’re young and I bet I saw Star Wars before you were born. Anyway, hope your day improves!
@@kirklinden I never insulted you personally I did say your complaints about the game are dumb though because I think they are, and as for you not liking the game that's fine but when expressing your criticisms about it at least have them make sense and offer something you would have wanted to see instead don't just say they shouldn't have done something the way they did because you didn't like it, that isn't a video essay that's just you complaining just so you can complain, even in your response to me you didn't answer anything you would have rather seen them do with the game you just deflected everything trying to use age as a factor when that has nothing to do with this, but for what its worth its ok to be called out by someone younger than you it makes you no less of a man, there's no need to get so defensive over age
oh also no I did see that you said you were bad at the game during the Darth Vader fight I was just making sure you knew it for sure and even if you were playing as Cal during the Vader fight you still would have lost the fact that you needed to rely so heavily on 11 stims as Cal is bad
@@ethanrupeka9472 I don’t know, you saying that everything I said is “dumb”, “stupid” & “nonsense” felt kinda like insults to me. I didn’t respond to each one of your comments because you came at me with such unnecessary hostility. Trashing and dismissing my opinions doesn’t really make me want to do anything but insult you back. Don’t be coy and pretend that you weren’t being rude and insulting with your comment. Next time try being a little more respectful and then we can have a friendly debate. Look at the other comments here - lots of people don’t agree with me, but they do it in a polite way that opens the door to a discussion.
It also doesn’t seem like you understand anything I said in the video, which is fine - You don’t need to, but conversely I don’t want to take all the time to explain it. I talked about Star Wars & Vader in a meta context within our culture, how he is overused - not that he isn’t well implemented into those stories. You also seem to have missed that I thought this game is almost a masterpiece, I really really liked it! I’m saying it was a few small things away from being a truly great game. I think I was being totally fair.
Some advice: If you actually weren’t trying to be insulting, I recommend you find some words besides “dumb” and “stupid” to describe your issues with someone, and maybe they won’t just insult you right back.
Yes I agree it wasn't a masterpiece not like hogwarts legacy which is a masterpiece and I'm still playing it once of my all favourite games ever released apart from the quidditch world cup game
the combat is awful in this game I couldn't play more than 3 hours because It was so bad