Bad Art Advice, Making Prints, and Moving for Your Career - Draftsmen S3E25
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- You’ve got more questions and Stan and Marshall have the answers! Hear their opinions on postgraduate training, bad advice for beginners, getting over anxiety about entering art school as an older artist, making prints of your artwork, moving for your career, and searching for good resources for studying perspective.
TIMECODES:
00:00 - Intro
05:53 - Voicemail 1: What secondary education to pursue?
10:04 - Voicemail 2: What is terrible art advice?
12:31 - Voicemail 3: Photographing/Scanning Artwork
34:19 - Voicemail 4: Fear of not being as good as peers.
41:36 - Voicemail 5: relocating for better opportunities vs. finding connections online.
46:33 - Voicemail 6: Questions about Marshall's Perspective Course
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Draftsmen Art School as Project - proko.com/artschool
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Perspective for Artists by Rex Cole - amzn.to/3AaJen5
Draftsmen perspective episode - proko.com/369
Creative Perspective for Artists and Illustrators Ernest Watson - amzn.to/3owi7R2
Winsor Mccay - static.proko.com/media/images...
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ABOUT DRAFTSMEN:
Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/DraftsmenPod
CREDITS:
Hosts - Stan Prokopenko (www.stanprokopenko.com), Marshall Vandruff (www.marshallart.com/)
Production Assistance - Alex Otis ( / alexotisillustration , Charlie Nicholson ( / shloogorgh , Ellie Polk ( / the.mccartski )
Editing - Carrie Maness, Charlie Nicholson
Intro Animation - Cody Shank (codyshank.com/)
Intro Jingle - Tommy Rush ( / tommyrush )
Music Used with Permission Intro - The Freak Fandango Orchestra
What are some examples of unhelpful art advice you received as a fledgling artist?
turn your a/c on when recording a podcast
That you don't need skill for artistic expression. I was a fine art student and that was a common "trope" and it kinda tricked me into stagnating my progression by few years.
That statement might be true for some people it wasn't for me as I wanted to be an animator... and thought I didn't need to learn drawing skills (at one point I realized it wasn't the best advice, and went through many videos, and hours of practice to catch up). but I did learn many editing software in my time there.
That room exercise that Marshall mentioned at the end, I actually did that very early on my training; when I'm able to draw again, I should do it.
Being too concerned with style early on. When you're just starting out/learning it shouldn't matter that you're doing a weak version of some established artist's work. If that's what you want to do at that time, do it. Nothing should be off the table. Chuck Close did many bad De Kooning paintings before eventually did what he's now celebrated for.
Giving me these very specific way "how to draw" stuff.
I would *seriously* appreciate Stan explaining all his photo, and scanning and Photoshop editing magic! Trying to get the art to look as good as possible can be so difficult to tackle and it would be really helpful to have the info in one place. This is a wonderful episode as always, thank you so much for all the great information in here!
Absolutly. Big Help for me just by figuring out different ways to achieve the same result.
Maaaan... that would be helpful
Marshall's advice to Kelsey gave me goosebumps. It spoke deeply to me.
Use a DSLR + Tripod. If you are a decent painter that understands perspective and color you should be able to fairly easily correct what need to be corrected in Photoshop. Steps below:
1.) Shoot in Raw, preferably in soft natural light in a shadow or on a cloudy day. Focus twice. The best way is to use the screen with the zoom function opposed to the viewfinder.
2.) I skip the raw editor and typically just edit right in photoshop.
3.) Unlock your layer and use the Perspective transform + Skew transform when correcting how flat it appears. Essentially you will typically shoot the image at a slight angle that will need to be corrected if you aren't using levels and measurements when shooting.
4.) Use the color balance adjustment layer. This is my favorite tool for correcting white balance. You can adjust the shadows, midtones and highlights all separately.
5.) On a new layer use the gradient tool to hide the direction of light source (sky). A black to transparent gradient will work fine. Use transparency and layer effects that work best.
I would add that you should have some sort of easel for your art specifically to photograph it more consistently and to be able to control that angle.
From my experience as someone who got into art college at 17/18, something that helps befriend the younger people is to not talk about how old you are, how differently you see "the youths", stuff that sounds kinda condescending like "wow these people are so talented for their age", all the freaking time. I think one might be tempted to do it to ease the tension, but you can just chill and talk to people like they are your equals, at least when you're first meeting them :D
People Are equals in art, aren´t they? Who cares whether someone is 10 or 100, if they both enjoy the expressive experience of art? Learning together and just enjoying art is what matters, to me. When I saw how great an English student of mine was at drawing, and helping him become even better, I was so happy and full of joy! I was never that good at his age, it took me much longer due to x and y reason, and who cares?
We are all in the present and enjoying each other´s progress and accomplishments. Whenever someone approached me when I was younger I had no interest in our differences, whether age or phylosophical points of view, what I wanted and appreciated was the interaction and just pure joy of learning from each other.
"wow these people are so talented for their age"
I think it''s not condescending. It's a sign that the work they see is impressive-and intimidating, especially as a teacher. How much can they contribute, how relevant are they, when the fledgling is already nigh ready to open their wings?
This illustrates the fact that "the youths" (which is a very relative term, for example a 40 y.o. is akin to a youth to a 70 y.o.) just do not understand the way an older mind works, they just don't have the experience yet. It's also hard for the older peeps to relate with the young ones, because of a combination of personality, experience and maturation.
Believe it or not, it's impossible for one person to learn to speak the way every other person wants them to. But it's possible to learn to take what everybody else says in the most positive light possible.
@@leamubiu sometimes peoples can take that as condescending, sometimes it just feels unnatural. The fact is there are things older people say in a room full of young people that puts barriers between them and the rest of the class, unecessarily.
It doesn't have to be like that, you can just look at how many teachers are friends with their students.
When the competition is higher I noticed that it always pushes me to do better.
Support everyone who's doing great work and compete with only yourself, I support this 200% ! This is why I love you guys!
Exactly!
To the older lady about to start a short of art education with young people. I remember dearly how we LOVED to hear our older classmates speak of things that inspired them that were in fact part of our childhood. We can be an intimidating generation indeed but not really closed to any kind of person for any reason. XX
At 14:30, perhaps the original use of the Magical enlargement was in Antonioni's 1967 "Blowup." At least some nod was given to the limits of grainy film, but huge magnification sufficient to see a handheld pistol several hundred yards away felt preposterous to me.
My practical problem with scanning pencil or charcoal drawings is that the paper and deposited marks are sharp, yet some aspect of the illumination changes the apparent coarseness, so images consistently look coarser than the original, held up next to the screen at the same scale. It is not the same as sharpening or blurring the result.
I was listening to the podcast on spotify but I HAD TO SEE Stan's painting on 8kor 16 k XD so I came here
Same, same
Just started watching these guys. Great resource for artists and also incredibly wholesome.
SO glad I found this episode! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the best and most practical information I have come across regarding the photographing and scanning artwork. I have struggled with this for the last 2 years. Even trying to out source the photographing with frustrating and totally useless results. Thank you thank you thank you!
The Podcast is one of my favorite things you two do because it is ORGANIC, it just goes wherever it´s gonna go. Let it flow man, and do it as much as you guys want, the more you do it, the better for us! More Marshall, more Stan! But hey if you guys are busy then okay, no problem. I´ve seen less episodes done lately, and I wonder if it´s that you´re busy or what´s going on but whatever the reason, whenever there IS a new episode, it´s like Christmas. :)
Excellent episode. Love the tech stuff. Reinforcing Garbage In = Garbage Out was advice most don't remember (computer-wise). Thanks.
At 37:00, re: environment of a class situation - I was doing well in advanced drawing, and then suddenly in my next semester, I began to have real trouble, as did the rest of the class. The instructor was actually seeding such negativity in his routine remarks during sessions, that everyone unconsciously felt he was saying bad things about their work; atmosphere can be incredibly important, when students are struggling with self-confidence.
Man, Love this podcast!
Who else would love an episode were they get an international professional and talk how to make it in the entertainment industry as a foreign international not living in a first world country
Thanks Stan and Marshall, I always learn something new on Draftsmen. When will Marshall's course be available?
Reasons I listen to Draftsman:
99% Marshall's singing
1% art
I don't wanna be that guy, but that's kinda sad that you don't really care about 99% of stuff they're trying to communicate in this podcast and you feel proud of it enough to comment about it....
@@di_anso lol it was a joke dude.
love the whole podcast.
@@johnbrockiii i get it. i just thought there are ways to compliment something without belittling something else. i know you didn't mean it though. sorry.
@@di_anso so basically, there's this thing call sarcasm...
@@NotEmi. wow you're really gonna deliberately waste your time beating a dead horse. that's impressive.
another cheap trick to photograph reflective artwork is to photograph it at an angle, then edit it in photoshop by transform/distort and fix to the flat position. Use a straight on shot as reference on another layer so you get the distortion fix process accurately.
Man its funny how proud is Stanislav about the christian painting.
Right?
For your scanning needs. Check with your local quality print shop. They often throw in a low cost high def scanning and color correction with the order of a number of prints.
I can recommend Marshalls Perspective course a lot!
Hi Stan and Marshall, I love your podcasts and listen to them while I paint. Question!! how do you make "light red" without making pink?? (with oil paint)
Adding white will make it pink, but also adding yellow will offset that. So you need a combination of the two main lightening colors.
Jessica, This is a question I often have… colors theory confuses me but the colors painted around my reds are important and I usually mix very lightly muted green. Oh, I mostly work acrylic but it should not be any different.
Yes, yes, yes I would really like detailed instruction on how to get my drawings & paintings onto the computer & then ready for print.
Try doing your photography of your artwork outdoors. Working on an overcast day or in the shade works cleaner than all the studio tricks. Overcast days may be unusual in Southern California, but they actually do happen in other parts of the world.
I would really love a video on scanning, and photographing painting please!! I cant seem to find any info on this anywhere
that was a fun one
Advice for Kelsey we call it in martial arts is called white belt mentality don’t hate on others but do see them as a possibility on how good or better you can be in you keep working on the craft specially on days when you don’t feel so hot remember you’re not gonna be there tomorrow but in a year you will
I am a commercial illustrator and everything I create is done on paper first then digitized and I just use an iPhone and a scan app with perfect results
Could you guys please do an episode on art restoration for paintings?
When you pronounce the German name: Agfa, The “a” doesn’t rhyme with hag. It is the same “A” that a church choir sings when they slowly sang “A-men”. It is also the same vowel sound when Americans pronounce the word “box”. That is the only way the German “A” is pronounced. It’s really simple. I’ve lived in Germany for 50 years and the great thing about most European languages is that they have basically the same five vowels. Not like the five different ways you can pronounce each vowel in English.
Are there any news on when the perspective course is going go be up?
Oh Well it the draftsmen show!🎵🎶
Out of anything you can offer right now showing us how to setup and make good quality prints of our work at home would be the most valuable. There’s way more information out there on how to make a painting. It’s still a pain to find good information to make prints of your work. How to get a good scan or photograph? How do you deal with the glare and reflections because of the gloss varnish, etc. this is the next step that we’re missing.
You can always find a company to do this for you- takes on a lot of the hassle
My best friends have always been books. How many times can you get your human friends to sit quietly on a shelf?
My 3 favorite books are:
- Bridgerton by Julia Quinn
- Topgun by Dan Pederson
- Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
Stan: 32:29
that's what she said
i feel that sort of fear seeing all the teens on instagram with full on portfolio pieces and such.
Hi what is the best extension to save photos of paintings in`, for the purpose of flexibility in sizing up or down in prints, later on ,thank you
Hell yeah, bring us instruction on how to get things into computer :)
34:23. Perfectly put, guys. Well done!
I'm still struggling to find a good balance between creating original art and practicing/memorizing the more boring stuff like anatomy, perspective, proportions, and shading. I have a general understanding of a lot of that stuff but I need to refine my skills with each one a bit. Its honestly a lot to tackle. And I know I need to learn it all eventually. I really just wish I knew how other people schedule out their fundamental studies. So I have something to compare my self to. Just practicing in a vacuum and hoping for the best is driving me insane. I have no idea if I'm doing well or not lol.
Maybe watch a video about Russian academy students and wallow in despair... or pick one, complete it, move to next, return if needed.
You have to have fun studying, otherwise it's pointless. To me, a project approach works the best - have those practice pieces be a part of a world I'm creating, character's I'm designing. Sure, you still have to do the anatomy breakdowns of each muscle and so on, but for every 30-40mins of intense study, have some fun on the side with your own project. Studying anatomy? Do some sketches of characters on the side. Studying the way cloth falls and folds over the body? Excellent, those character sketches need clothes too!
Never, ever just study. Make your studies fun, make them something you WANT to do.
@@thesunthrone I like this approach alot tyvm.
@the Sunthrone That's a good piece of advice thanks.
Hello Stan and Marshall. I have a question. Is it necessary to use reference? Can I just look at photos, analyse then draw from my imagination instead of copying 1:1?
Yes you can it's good practice to draw from imagination. What I've seen people do is they do a study first with the photo. Then they draw from memory.
@Stan when color reproduction matters so much to you, get a tungsten light a professional colorchart, take a raw picture and you can reproduce the color "perfect"!!
I'm not really up to date, but why aren't you using your old studio for podcast anymore?
I was wondering that too
covid
@@Donewiththisacclunt still??? I mean, it's been almost year and a half since they switched to this.
I think it's way easier for them to do it online, because they live quite far from each other. Which makes sense but I am very sad about this because I loved it when they were together it was much better I hope they go back to it :((
@@alfiemarshall9224 they shared a few weeks ago during a livestream that they may go back to the studio for the season finale, and from that on.
Friedrich Nietzsche in the first 3 minutes?
I AM IN
There might be better ways to learn art but one factor that wasn't considered is that many people are just really young and lost and have no idea. It's all incredibly overwhelming, so you are tempted to take an option that will guide you through it. If I look at someone that promises me something concrete at the end.. or having to find different instructors and do it all on my own.. well.. that's not such a hard choice. Learning to adult is hard enough as it is. I suppose if you aren't in debt for life because of it.. you can still go out and seek specialized knowledge once you know what you want.
Man! Marshall can hit the lower notes like its nothing.
Hi Stan and Marshall, from Perú.
Are we starting every episode with 'singing'? - ok cool just asking
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Peter Han called at 10:06
:D