As an oil painter myself I do notice a difference between dollar shop paints & art store paints, but not much difference between high end & low end art shop paints. That said I believe the difference is often in the longevity of the paints. Cheaper paints can crack or become affected by uv. But these days very few people paint with the intention of said painting lasting for generations. I think the important thing is just to paint as much as you like and to buy the paints that you can afford.
I don't know about that as these student paints are getting very reliable. I painted a piece at art school 15 years ago and it wasn't very good so it got thrown in the back of the shed. I discovered it last week, dusted it off and the colours were still as intense with no cracking. It was done in Winton oils and I believe these days student paints are chemically more reliable than they were even 15 years ago. Also it was by the window and would have been exposed to some light.
One of the biggest differences is how the paintings age. Expensive oils guarrantee that your artwork will stay perfect overtime and won't lose value, while cheap oils may oxidize and lose it's texture and color.
You still have to know what you are doing - Fat over lean etc Student grade paints have fillers like alumina hydrate in greater quantities. They may be milled less (coarser pigment particles). They may not be stood for as long leading to oilier less well consolidated paint. The biggest likely difference is pigment concentration , light fastness or rarity of pigment . Rarity affects price. Lightfastness often does but not necessarily. Some Earth pigments have been refined more in expensive grades leading to greater purity. Very new high purity and permanence pigments can be expensive as they test the market for artist uptake. Artist quality paints should have Blue wool test 8/8/8 light fastness ratings at the top levels of archivality. Down to 6/6/6 at lowest ideally. 8/6/4 would be Excellent LF full tone, Good lightfastness Midtone but only fair lightfastness for light tone with more. white. High quality paint would be formulated specifically for the pigment and binder used to achieve maximum workability and flexibility and be comparatively non yellowing or cracking when used well. (Fat over lean and appropriate levels of the right mediums) The very best grades of oil paint may have a damar resin/solvent component taking up some of what would usually be the oil fraction (e.g Schminke's Mussini- the most expensive paints I'm aware of. ) This imparts more gloss and should be of a purer hue and yellow less.
@@jomsies he didn't use gesso so what is your point exactly? Also they were pre primed canvases most people don't add extra gesso to pre primed canvases. Cheap canvas tends to warp faster and tend to be gritty and easily damage paint brushes. Cheap canvas aren't archival either. The best gesso in the world can't fix those issues. All in all canvas quality does matter, and can have an effect on the painting experience, as well as the finished work.
Ok, so a lot to unpack, not sure if anyone is interested, but here it is. Oil paint has (or at least should have) two components only - pigment and oil. Viscosity comes from the pigment to oil ratio, but also from the type of oil that is used. Pigments are not born equally; some are more expensive than gold - compared gram per gram and others are dirt cheap because that is literally what they are - dirt. If you are, or would like to be a long time oil painter, then the best financial option for you is to mix your own paints since good pigment is usually cheaper than expensive paint; which brings me to my next point - paint. There is no reason for some paints to be so ridiculously expensive and other paints are very justified to be so expensive and that is down to the pigments used. The idea is that if pigment is cheap, then even cheap paint will not contain a lot of filler compounds to extend the quantity of the paint, but if the pigment is rare, cheap paints will contain more and more filler as the pigment gets more expensive, or worse, will contain a different pigment that imitates the original pigment. That is why a sound general advice would be to buy cheap earth colors and spend a lot of that hard earned money on the more exotic type of pigments like the cobalt family for instance. Regarding oil, cheap paint contains simple refined linseed oil, while expensive paint is usually made from stand oils which are harder to produce. Difference between the two binders is mostly the fat content; linseed oil has good viscosity with a lot of fat content and stand oil has the same viscosity but less fat content which makes it more desirable to use than normal linseed oil or other oils. In the real world knowing all these intricacies and how to navigate this weird maze gets tricky for a lot of people and the deeper the rabbit hole goes, the more nuanced and problematic this whole subject becomes. That is why generally is better to buy powder pigments and just mix your own paints. That way you can control all the aspects and properties of the paint and mix it just the way you like it and avoid all the drama and also maybe save a buck or two in the end. Cheers.
Wow ;-; that’s a *long* and I mean -long- comment . Ya know what this is so long I read it for light reading XD on accident, Now ik a lot about paint XD
One of the key differences between the two is that expensive, high quality oils will last and stay colour accurate for a lifetime. Cheap oils fade and discolour which isn't what you want when you've spent months painting your masterpiece.
That maybe true a hundred years ago. But now, cheap paint are made from artificial pigment that last till eternity. On the other hand, expensive paint made from natural pigment won’t last nearly as long.
@Michael Thornton I don't know about that, I think it's best to study the pigments and make a judgement. Earth pigments like Yellow Ochre are reliable whatever you use, the artist quality will just go further. Also pthalo Blue is reliable in both and I actually use the Van Gogh one because the artist quality is just too strong for me. Georgian is a paint to avoid though as when I was at art school that's all they sold there and you could see a chalky appearance to the works once they dried due to the filler. If I had to advise anyone on cheaper colours I'd recommend Spectrum, Van Gogh, or Classico, they're decent.
I agree. Jazza has done several videos with super cheap Vs super expensive. It would be cool to have a mid range video going back over some of his old works and deliberately doing mid range versions.
Fun fact: some of Van Gogh's paintings are still yet to fully dry due to both his medium and his style (where he put the paint so thickly on the canvas)
As an oil painting artist for 41 years, my advice is cheap oil parts are great for beginners, you don't want to spend tons of money in learning to paint because it's not like training to do a job, with art, someone can show you how to but it takes practice. Most people forget all about what they initially learn and adopt thier own methods or techniques over the years. I feel that it is easy to get discouraged when looking at the prices of the supplies in the beginning so start cheap and then move up in time as you get better. Learn the process then buy the tools.
As someone that has entirely way too many hobbies I agree to a point. Sometimes buying the cheapest thing allows you to at least try and see if you like it, but also the cheapest thing could be so bad that it makes the whole experience awful and make you not want to do it anymore when if you had decent tools and materials it would become a life long hobby. Leather work is one example where the cheapest awls or stitching forks can make it miserable. Generally I find the most expensive, the cheapest, and then look for a decent in between and then go with that and since I have so many hobbies I probably won't out grow the tool in it's capabilities before I need to upgrade.
There's such a thing as too cheap! At least buy student grade like W&N Winton paints or Gamblin 1980s to enjoy painting and not be too frustrated. Otherwise you're just using oil and fillers with just a sprinkle of pigment wondering why the paint doesn't do what you want. Also get a couple decent brushes.
One thing to keep in mind, is over a short period of time the cheaper paints will fade and sometimes even chip or peel. The expensive paints will hold their color much better over time and will overall last much longer. You get what you pay for when it comes to art supplies (most of the time).
@@anonymousalexander6005 exactly this - you can still find the very rare Lapis Lazuli pigment / paint and it'll be dumb expensive... but it will also fade pretty quick because its nowhere near as lightfast as a cheaper artificial pigment.
The reasons they're so expensive is because they're being made out of rare stuff or expensive pigments and are made to look good thousands of years from now. The first time business insider was useful lol
14:08 Can we talk about the amazing editing with the music around here? Minor when he was struggling to get the mountains right and turned major when he started getting it right. Almost seemed like a movie scene
Its all about tradeoffs I suppose. What kind of difficulties do you want to face? I've noticed that a skilled watercolor painter can get a level of liveliness that is difficult to match with oils, but the precision and forethought required for watercolor are honestly well beyond me. Acrylics obviously form a happy middle ground, but unlike watercolors, you can't rehydrate color mixes that have dried on the pallette, so you have to be on point with your color matching. Like I said, tradeoffs.
@@coyoteblue4027 if you're serious about acrylics you can always use a wet palette and/or mix in large batches. The big issue with acrylics for me is that they dry so fast when they hit the canvas that its hand to get the same gradients.
@@joncarroll2040 I don't use acrylics, though I did a little bit when I was younger. I've always preferred oils myself, and while I adore the product of a skilled watercolorist, that medium has unfortunately never really agreed with me. Acrylics I find are just a good way to destroy a lot of brushes😅
That's what I took away from this. These things usually operate on a curve - so paint that's half the cost of the expensive stuff is probably 80% as good, half again would be 65% as good. $45 a tube is still a lot, but unless you're approaching master level skill you probably won't notice much difference, and you'll have a paint that isn't getting in your way like the $5 dollar stuff.
As my art teacher once said: “You can create art using anything that has ever been made, art tool or not…but good expensive materials sure can help” She didn’t get the funding she was after :(.
I'd love to see the expensive paint compared with a more mid grade paint. The cheap paint was so cheap I would not think even beginners should start with it. It would be so frustrating and not give even mediocre results. Great video. :)
I'd love to see some of these cheap vs expensive ones, but where you don't KNOW if the product you're using is the cheap one or if it's the expensive one. That'd be really fun!
Oooooooohhhhh- I’ve never used oil paint, I mostly work with acrylics, but I can tell you, NOTHING, AND I MEAN, NOTHING IS A BETTER FEELING THAN WHEN YOU PUT DOWN THE THICC-EST PAINT ON YOUR CANVAS! I’m obsessed with thicc paint. We’re talking dummy thicc! I just love the feeling of laying down a thicc layer of paint, slowly with your brush, it feels so good when you’re able to oddly satisfy yourself with your own art! Do I have a problem? Is it weird that I’m this crazy over dummy thicc paint?
I think it would be interesting to have a middle grade paint too. The cheap paint kit was really thin looking but the expensive paint didn’t look any better than Winsor Newton and those are like 10 bucks a tube, if that.
Mark Carder used W&N for years before making his own brand. Brian Neher still uses W&N. Richard Schmid used mostly Gamblin. These pros saw no point in spending a fortune on Michael Harding (the expensive brand in this video), Old Holland or Vasari, so why would the average artist?
I use Michael Harding mostly because it’s just constantly excellent. Gamblin is imo the best midrange, followed by the W&N professional range. It depends what kind of painting you want to produce and whether you are looking for specialist colours like lead tin yellow.
@@kavalogueI will, thanks very much 😆 I am a professional portrait painter so subtle differences really matter and it justifies the added expense. If you don’t buy paints which are made with rate pigments, like Cerulean, then you won’t spend so much more on the high quality paint (perhaps 40-60% more). I need my work to be lightfast (colour doesn’t fade/ discolour over time) and I need the pigment to be rich and finely ground. It’s expensive to make paint that way. I’ve actually visited some of the factories and it’s amazing to see how it’s done (by hand!) I guess you don’t believe in paying more than $10 for a paintbrush either. Eh, suit yourself 🤷🏻♀️
The “wet in wet” technique is probably the worst way of using Michael Harding paints. (I do and have used the less expensive series and they are fabulous for traditional painting methods).
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I think the cheap oils did an okay job. I fell that the more expensive oils colors had more depth. Maybe $1000 paints aren't entirely necessary for the average oil painter, but probably a better grade of oils might be important for someone who is even a Sunday, or hobbyist painter. Maybe if a parent is getting their teen who wants to paint a starter kit just to see if they really like it, it might work.
The expensive paint is mainly expensive because the pigment is expensive (genuine Chinese vermillion, genuine ultramarine blue, genuine Naples yellow). They’re historical pigments that have modern alternative mixes which are much more affordable, even by the same brand. So I guess to me, this is more ‘cheap paint vs. expensive pigment’ 😝 swap out genuine ultramarine for modern ultramarine by Michael Harding and boom, price cut by 90%.
I started out with Winsor and Newton (about 25$ per large tube) which was a good start, and I believe an artist who is interested in oil paint needs to start with a paint of that quality because any paint lower than that is completely different, not only in the pigment but also the viscosity and how well it corporates with mineral spirits/glosses.
Personally, I feel like getting your child cheap art supplies to just "see if they like it" is kind of dumb. If your first impressions of something like that are bad quality, you probably won't like it.
The painting with the expensive paints is so rich of very small gradients between different colours and the impasto because of the thickness of the paints is gorgeous!
It is interesting that the bad paint forces him to improve his technique. Moral: you got to learn with the crappy stuff, and then when you are good, you deserve to work with the best.
Diana Aviles don’t cry. You will have to get more liquid in your body and thats not free. So keep the tears inside your body. Learn how to cry on the inside, like when a friend says something that acctually hurts, but you want to look tough, but you acctually want to cry and stab the MF in the eye with a christmas ornament and fill he’s sockets with ants, but realise that also cost money, so you dont. #staycheap #poorpeoplehack
I literally loved every set of mountains that Jazz’s hated and was okay with 😂😂😂 I think that there was a difference between the paints but I would probably just try and make the cheap ones work 😄😂😅
“and see if an uneducated artist, like myself can tell the difference” Has an art channel with millions of subscribers and views. Has a book on how to draw characters. Is sponsored by Huion almost every video. Has a professional studio. And he just taught you how to make liquid white.
just because one can draw really well or manipulate markers or any number of things, does not mean they have been educated in other areas. There is a girl I watch sometimes and her pencil and marker drawings look like they could come out and bite you. Her experiments at oil painting kind of look like they were done by a toddler chimp.
I'm getting in this a bit late now but I've been painting for years now and for me the only difference between cheap paint and expensive paint is vibrancy with the expensive paint just being more vibrant haha. Everything else depends on the artist.
My Mom was trained professionally in oil painting, you have to let each layer dry before putting the next layer. So, the oily ness/wetness is normal in oil paints
F she is correct- (Mea Ansel)...Alla Prima or Plein Aire is not the issue. One was too dry, he could have added stand oil or some other medium to increase fluidity...
Oil paint that Monet, Alexander and Ross would use for alla prima”wet on wet” would be Dry and Firm oil paint. Tube paint today needs to have most of the oils absorbed to do wet on wet painting. Squeeze the paint on a piece of cardboard and let the cardboard absorb the oil for 30-45 minutes.
and that's it, so basically expensive colors are for useless dudes who can't draw so they let their paint do the job for them instead of i don't know like, drawing the depth? isn't that what drawing and art is about? making it ?
The expensive oil paint is supposed to be used in veladuras glazes separated each at least 3 months. That's why old masters like Leonardo took years to accomplish his masterpieces.
Thank you! I'm so over these 'let me pour paint randomly on a canvas through some kitchen utensil and call it art!!!' It's killing those of us struggling real artist, these wanna be's can create hundreds and sell them for chunk change!
I use various cheap kinds of acrylics and some more expensive ones. Only thing I could really tell a difference with was the titanium white. cheaper ones are.. cheap^^ but the best I found was the Schminke Primacryl artists Titanium white- at 30€/250ml. its AMAZING.
I feel like you should have do this without knowing which is expensive and which is cheap, I feel like that also just played a part in saying the latter is better
@@ogs5276 one also was done immediately after the other. meaning he had practiced the painting once already. when you look at the mountains the expensive paint ones look better solely because the time and detail work taken was better than the cheap paint. not he paint itself
I haven't used oil paints in about 15 years. Here's some guidance. When you were painting with the cheap paints, you said that it became muddy and it wasn't dry when you needed the contrast-- well, yes, you have to let oils dry overnight if you want to add more layers. They're very different from acrylic in that you can let acrylic dry for an hour and go back to it. If you want oils to dry faster, you can add a couple of drops of turpenoid (odorless version) to it. You can also mix linseed (or artist medium) to the paint with lots of turpenoid if you want to make a wash.
You can also firm it up by putting it on something absorbent like cardboard or paper towel for a while then move it to your palate. Or you can simply get paint that dries faster Winsor and Newton Griffin.
He said that he was doing Bob Ross style wet on wet. If you search Bob Ross on RUclips you'll find plenty of his videos. They're kind of cool, in a weird way. He used to have tv show on pbs and each episode he would guide the viewer through a step by step, very fast, wet on wet oil landscape tutorial. There is not one single correct method for doing oil painting. There are some general ground rules, especially when it comes to typical layering, which are helpful to avoid common pitfalls, like cracking, wrinkling, and discoloration. But there are many different methodologies, and room still for experimentation and innovation.
I learn over the past years, there's a huge difference between cheap and professional art supplies. But there's a mild difference between a professional and the very expensive one.
It's not only about the longevity of the material, there are many aspects within the price. The ratio pigment:binder is much different with more expensive paint. Some brands dont use linseed oil as a binder but some other resins, as linseed oil yellows and darkens over time (Norma by Schminke). But the price of the pigment makes the real difference. The same brand and series of tube (lets say old Holland) can sell for less then 10€ and more than 150€ with the same binder and pigment ratio. Thats because some pigments are very rare or hard to manufacture. But its good to know that some of the colors are there for restoration, as you want to use the exact same pigment if you restore an old painting, and some older pigments had very odd ways of production, like dried cow urine or smashed louse. You can get the same or even more vivid colour these days with syntetic versions that are often much cheaper. So yes, no need buy the expensive paint as you can mix most colours with 6 tubes, that can still be very high quality.
@@ValaxyOats I'm a huge Gamblin fangirl. Their Instagram is so cool, they show you all their paint mills and giant tubs of their colors and even the modified toothpaste tube filling machine they use to fill their paint tubes :D
Really an oil paint that is around 20-50 dollars per large tube is going to be about the same quality as the expensive oil paint in this video. The only difference is that the oil paints in the video were probably more carefully made and have their pigments from the original sources( such as actual cadmium instead of something else) But in general paints that are considered middle-ground function about the same as expensive paints. There is a huge difference between dirt cheap paint and medium grade paint though.
You were maybe pressing too hard when you're doing the snow layer on the mountains, you just need a role of paint in your knife and just quickly and lightly drag it down and let the paint break. The snowy depth perspective look comes from the little breaks in the paint on the mountain rather than it being smooth
You seem know a bit about oil painting, so I'll just ask you: How do you think the expensive brand justifies their price? The quality doesn't seem better than other high quality brands like schminke for example but the price is... Different
@@steinistein8611 I think the price is a bit extreme if I'm honest. Yes the quality is good, but I think other good quality oil paint in a mid range price is just as good, especially if you're learning. I get the feeling these paints are pricey for the sake of a label, people expect them to be amazing for the sake of their price, but there's not really a significant difference in them (from what can be seen in the video) compared to cheaper high quality oil paint. For the price of these, they better be magic and paint themselves onto the canvas. I feel like if there was a comparison between high quality but reasonably priced oil paint and these, there wouldn't be a marked enough difference to justify the cost. It's like the whole Vanta Black thing, where Black 3.0 realistically is just as good for general use. I'd quite like to see what the company says is a justifiable reason for the cost of their oil paints, because maybe there's something about them that we've not seen from this video as it's not really show casing them, but personally, I'm not convinced they're significantly better than other high quality oil paints. I'd like to see a review from someone experienced with oil paint. I think there's also a factor of the tubes being much bigger than your average set of oil paints you'd get in a shop, which probably influences the price, so a cost comparison with equally sized tubes would also be interesting.
@@NiaJustNia now that you mention it, didn't even consider the tube size, they seem pretty big indeed I agree with you on everything you said, they just don't seem to offer anything paint for half the prize couldn't provide...
Here's the problem: You biased yourself the entire time by knowing which paint was more expensive, not mixing both paints before putting them on the canvas during the swatch test (yes, the expensive ones were oilier, that doesn't mean the other paint didn't need to be mixed), and then with the expectation that the cheap one would be noticeably worse, you put a lot more time and effort into the painting with the expensive paints.
100% agree; this isn't a scientific way of comparing these two paints. Should've been a blind test, both should've been used and treated the exact same way. Sadly, the way he handed things makes the entire video moot.
Privacy Lover Absolutely correct. Someone else should have squeezed the paints onto the paint pallet so that he can paint as he normally would with both products without knowing which is which.
@@ShadowDrakken this is very true! Funny part is I love acrylics way more than oil paints. I think as well as how you paint plays a role in which you prefer.
To see if the expensive paints are worth it you need to leave the paintings for about 10 years and come back and then see which ones have faced the test of time. The expensive paints are usually used by professional artists who are selling their work through galleries. They use the expensive paint cause it has to not fade over time.
Since it's UV light which cause fading of paintings it spring to my mind an idea - maybe he can use sunbed sort of light (like portable table top one) to mimic sunlight exposure in much quicker time frame? They are not that expensive and may show difference in ligh fastness of paints quite quickly.
@@montygemma Exactly, I've got old paintings from my student days that are just fine and I couldn't afford expensive paint. It's like everything, if theres a market for an expensive product it will be made.
Tbf most professional "artists" are just professional money launderers You can't tell me someone duct taping a banana to a wall is worth millions. It's usually objective trash art, low effort garbage that gets sold
Hi! I like to paint with oils and feel like I'm decently qualified to tell my experience on the subject. I like to try out different brands and tools and see what works for me so I've some experience on how they differ based on price too. (and some material and tool tips for beginners) TL;DR Cheap paints are good if you're starting out and expensive stuff will only aid you once you're already familiar with how to work the materials. Just paint! First and foremost the pigment quality. For my personal work, not meant for sale I tend to use a cheaper paint from the Van Gogh brand (At around 4€ per 20ml tube) and have a good 12 tube set. For my more "professional" paintings I use a mix of Windsor and Newton (about 20€ for a 40ml tube) and various other more expensive tubes for one or two colors. The pigment quality of a paint can be easily seen when mixing with white. The faster the hue "dies" and becomes pastel, the worse/less pigment there is. This can be a HUGE problem say, when wanting to get that perfect middle shade salmon pink with enough saturation but the paint just goes immediately to a dusty pink with a tiny bit of white. Second thing is the, as Jazza notes in the video: the opacity. Good quality oil paints tend to be more thick because it has a higher pigment to binder ratio, because it is expected that the artist mixes it with either a paint thinner (fyi, turpentine is a health hazard, use linseed oil. Cooked linseed oil yellows more than coldpressed but dries in like a week!) or oil. This allows for a wider range of opacity and paint texture, which is quickly lost with cheaper paints unless you want to glob the whole 12ml tube for a single stroke. Some paints are naturally more transparent than others, for example Indian yellow and alizarin crimson but you develop a touch for working with them with use. Then there is lightfastness and longevity. Good paints yellow slower. Now, a lot of factors from the pigments to the oil used down to the canvas painted on affect how fast the paint yellows, but with cheaper paints you can start seeing the effect in ten or so years, where as better pigments last for hundreds of years, remaining vibrant and bright. Nowadays even the cheaper (talking in like the 3-7€ per tube range) tubes are starting to have very decent pigments that last for much longer so this is something to consider really only if you want someone to be able to see the painting just as you made it even after decades. There are a ton of other things to consider too but those are the main big things for me. But! Important to consider as well are the brushes! Most of us here I bet are much more used to acrylics and pencils and our first instinct is to buy the cheaper brush. The synthetic, soft and uniformly shaped ones. While that can and does work to a varying degree, good brushes and more importantly (for me) natural bristles make a massive difference. It gets you more defined and bold strokes! Now, I'm not that cheap paints are bad, Infact I recommend buying cheaper paints for your first set to get used to the medium! Oil paints can easily empty your bank account if you use the expensive stuff constantly and it's not a secret that even the more professional painters often use acrylics or cheaper stuff for the base layers to use less time and oil on the canvas! It's daunting to get into oils because of the reputation but once you get past that first hurdle and start messing around with the paints, a dollar or two more invested into the set will help make the first trials easier to navigate. Fighting against the paint is never fun. Also, I recommend skipping the draw of the massive sets of small tubes with violets, pinks and pastels etc etc. You can make due perfectly well with very few tubes (I recommend the primaries, cold and warm + white, a viridian, yellow ochre and a strong violet shade. Mixing your own black is a good thing to learn but a nice mars/lamp Black doesn't hurt.) Learning to mix the colors you want is more important to me than having a million different ready mixed tubes or green to choose from. What I'm trying to say is: If you feel like you don't know the medium yet; get the cheap paints (I really recommend the Van Gogh paints) and just mess around with 'em untill you feel more comfortable. Expensive paints won't make you a better artist, but once you're already in tune with the tools, they help the work shine on further. Best thing to do is to just start painting! That's my two cents on the topic
same i mean i used to watch him but that was a long time ago and here he is again also i keep getting snake/reptile vids in my recommended stuff and i'm like uhhh k 2 hours later i have just watched a crap ton of reptile vids and don't have my time back.... okay more egg eating snake vids please!
I would love to see this video but double blind format, where you use another painter but they dont know weather the paint is cheap or expensive and paint 2 pictures
@@grievuspwn4g3 finally, there is someone who gets it, colour isnt just colour, its like how pink is a u.s only pigment due to how you get it, different things have different prices not just for no reason (in most cases)
Should’ve had someone take out the paint and mix it and then just give you the palate and then at the end they tell you which was the expensive and which was the cheap and then you could’ve painted exactly the same
The basic formula for painting in oils is “fat over lean”, meaning your first layers should contain more oil and/or thinner and your last layers should contain more paint. With the expensive paint you would adjust the consistency as you work.
Meh, it's incredibly evident that he hasn't touched oil paints before now. It's excusable for an absolute beginner, but with even just a couple months of proper study of the medium, you could make something much better.
I’m a young artist currently in High School, and I watched this to see whether I should save up for expensive oils or cheaper. For one of my art projects I’m actually using oil paints and it’s really nice, but takes a while to dry. I look up to you Jazza, and I think you’re an amazingly talented artist, I enjoy your channel and seeing all of these beautiful creations you make. Thank you for being a great person and artist ^-^ (Sorry, I have no clue what I was trying to say I don’t comment often >~
Use cheap acrylics(only primary colors) for the first layer, just color blocking. And then use medium price oil colors(like Winsor newton) for the rest of the painting. Oh and keep in mind of the fat over lean rule
i use windsor newtons liquin product in my oil paint to make them dry faster, i have very dry paintings within the week, 3 or 4 days on average. really helps when needing to add more layers
Also, if you have a Hobby Lobby near you, their Masters Touch brand oil paints are very affordable and are an excellent product. watch for 50 percent off sales!
Not really. It's mainly price of pigments (meaining material & manufacturing cost). Chinese Vermilion he used is one of most expensive pigments and yet it's not lightfast - it has tendency to blacken when exposed to sunglight
As an oil painter myself I do notice a difference between dollar shop paints & art store paints, but not much difference between high end & low end art shop paints. That said I believe the difference is often in the longevity of the paints. Cheaper paints can crack or become affected by uv. But these days very few people paint with the intention of said painting lasting for generations. I think the important thing is just to paint as much as you like and to buy the paints that you can afford.
Very yes. That's why I've been saying just to get midpriced paints from art store, like Windsor Newton.
I did not realize UV causes oil paint to crack. Good to know. I don't use oil. I'm more into water color and acrylic paints.
I don't know about that as these student paints are getting very reliable. I painted a piece at art school 15 years ago and it wasn't very good so it got thrown in the back of the shed. I discovered it last week, dusted it off and the colours were still as intense with no cracking. It was done in Winton oils and I believe these days student paints are chemically more reliable than they were even 15 years ago. Also it was by the window and would have been exposed to some light.
Well said
Maybe you can’t tell the difference because you’re not a real oil painter with experience
One of the biggest differences is how the paintings age. Expensive oils guarrantee that your artwork will stay perfect overtime and won't lose value, while cheap oils may oxidize and lose it's texture and color.
You still have to know what you are doing - Fat over lean etc
Student grade paints have fillers like alumina hydrate in greater quantities. They may be milled less (coarser pigment particles). They may not be stood for as long leading to oilier less well consolidated paint.
The biggest likely difference is pigment concentration , light fastness or rarity of pigment . Rarity affects price. Lightfastness often does but not necessarily. Some Earth pigments have been refined more in expensive grades leading to greater purity. Very new high purity and permanence pigments can be expensive as they test the market for artist uptake.
Artist quality paints should have Blue wool test 8/8/8 light fastness ratings at the top levels of archivality. Down to 6/6/6 at lowest ideally.
8/6/4 would be Excellent LF full tone, Good lightfastness Midtone but only fair lightfastness for light tone with more. white. High quality paint would be formulated specifically for the pigment and binder used to achieve maximum workability and flexibility and be comparatively non yellowing or cracking when used well. (Fat over lean and appropriate levels of the right mediums)
The very best grades of oil paint may have a damar resin/solvent component taking up some of what would usually be the oil fraction (e.g Schminke's Mussini- the most expensive paints I'm aware of. ) This imparts more gloss and should be of a purer hue and yellow less.
The canvas caused also comes into effect it looks like he’s used cheap canvas which makes his experiment void.
Nerdddddd
@@jomsies he didn't use gesso so what is your point exactly? Also they were pre primed canvases most people don't add extra gesso to pre primed canvases. Cheap canvas tends to warp faster and tend to be gritty and easily damage paint brushes. Cheap canvas aren't archival either. The best gesso in the world can't fix those issues. All in all canvas quality does matter, and can have an effect on the painting experience, as well as the finished work.
Lol no
Ok, so a lot to unpack, not sure if anyone is interested, but here it is.
Oil paint has (or at least should have) two components only - pigment and oil. Viscosity comes from the pigment to oil ratio, but also from the type of oil that is used. Pigments are not born equally; some are more expensive than gold - compared gram per gram and others are dirt cheap because that is literally what they are - dirt. If you are, or would like to be a long time oil painter, then the best financial option for you is to mix your own paints since good pigment is usually cheaper than expensive paint; which brings me to my next point - paint.
There is no reason for some paints to be so ridiculously expensive and other paints are very justified to be so expensive and that is down to the pigments used. The idea is that if pigment is cheap, then even cheap paint will not contain a lot of filler compounds to extend the quantity of the paint, but if the pigment is rare, cheap paints will contain more and more filler as the pigment gets more expensive, or worse, will contain a different pigment that imitates the original pigment. That is why a sound general advice would be to buy cheap earth colors and spend a lot of that hard earned money on the more exotic type of pigments like the cobalt family for instance.
Regarding oil, cheap paint contains simple refined linseed oil, while expensive paint is usually made from stand oils which are harder to produce. Difference between the two binders is mostly the fat content; linseed oil has good viscosity with a lot of fat content and stand oil has the same viscosity but less fat content which makes it more desirable to use than normal linseed oil or other oils.
In the real world knowing all these intricacies and how to navigate this weird maze gets tricky for a lot of people and the deeper the rabbit hole goes, the more nuanced and problematic this whole subject becomes. That is why generally is better to buy powder pigments and just mix your own paints. That way you can control all the aspects and properties of the paint and mix it just the way you like it and avoid all the drama and also maybe save a buck or two in the end.
Cheers.
ur experienced gurl/boi
please that u copied this from google !!! xp
Wow ;-; that’s a *long* and I mean -long- comment .
Ya know what this is so long I read it for light reading XD on accident,
Now ik a lot about paint XD
Nae Dolor Thanks
that is what I call dedication
One of the key differences between the two is that expensive, high quality oils will last and stay colour accurate for a lifetime. Cheap oils fade and discolour which isn't what you want when you've spent months painting your masterpiece.
That maybe true a hundred years ago. But now, cheap paint are made from artificial pigment that last till eternity. On the other hand, expensive paint made from natural pigment won’t last nearly as long.
By months you mean 3 hours?
@@elleshar666
it depends
idk why but usually i can only effectively do one art piece in a single sitting.
@Michael Thornton I don't know about that, I think it's best to study the pigments and make a judgement. Earth pigments like Yellow Ochre are reliable whatever you use, the artist quality will just go further. Also pthalo Blue is reliable in both and I actually use the Van Gogh one because the artist quality is just too strong for me.
Georgian is a paint to avoid though as when I was at art school that's all they sold there and you could see a chalky appearance to the works once they dried due to the filler. If I had to advise anyone on cheaper colours I'd recommend Spectrum, Van Gogh, or Classico, they're decent.
I kinda wish he also had a moderate price set to compare
Worth it
I agree. Jazza has done several videos with super cheap Vs super expensive. It would be cool to have a mid range video going back over some of his old works and deliberately doing mid range versions.
Windsor and Newton makes amazing oil paint.
Gamblin 1980 makes a great economical paint for wet on wet
Buzzfeed’s worth it
If I bought paint that expensive, I’d probably just frame the paint tubes themselves.
Muffiny Muffin I find it hard to use anything expensive I buy
That counts as modern art. It could be worth millions one day? Modern art is only there for money laundering anyway
I would used them then frame them
Muffiny Muffin I would too
But I’d buy it with 1 million coupons and on Black Friday
is jezza the top art channel on youtube?
4 years ago i made a painting with too much linseed oil. It is still drying today..
True
Fun fact: some of Van Gogh's paintings are still yet to fully dry due to both his medium and his style (where he put the paint so thickly on the canvas)
And linseed is one of the faster drying ones
@Mr Frorange true lol
@P Shreya copycat
As an oil painting artist for 41 years, my advice is cheap oil parts are great for beginners, you don't want to spend tons of money in learning to paint because it's not like training to do a job, with art, someone can show you how to but it takes practice. Most people forget all about what they initially learn and adopt thier own methods or techniques over the years. I feel that it is easy to get discouraged when looking at the prices of the supplies in the beginning so start cheap and then move up in time as you get better. Learn the process then buy the tools.
As someone that has entirely way too many hobbies I agree to a point. Sometimes buying the cheapest thing allows you to at least try and see if you like it, but also the cheapest thing could be so bad that it makes the whole experience awful and make you not want to do it anymore when if you had decent tools and materials it would become a life long hobby. Leather work is one example where the cheapest awls or stitching forks can make it miserable. Generally I find the most expensive, the cheapest, and then look for a decent in between and then go with that and since I have so many hobbies I probably won't out grow the tool in it's capabilities before I need to upgrade.
@@HickLif3wow you literally just called me out😂 like I'm confused myself as to why I have so many hobbies💀
There's such a thing as too cheap! At least buy student grade like W&N Winton paints or Gamblin 1980s to enjoy painting and not be too frustrated. Otherwise you're just using oil and fillers with just a sprinkle of pigment wondering why the paint doesn't do what you want. Also get a couple decent brushes.
Great advice. If you can make trash tools work, you will find the professional tools produce better results with higher ease. I tested it with myself.
The most expensive paint is actually...
Shipping: 1,211$
The actual paint: 1$
Hahaahaahaha
he bought from a wish xd
@@avdo4374 LOL
ColdrenPlayz Yt did u mean part
@@tinystiny1075 what part?
One thing to keep in mind, is over a short period of time the cheaper paints will fade and sometimes even chip or peel.
The expensive paints will hold their color much better over time and will overall last much longer.
You get what you pay for when it comes to art supplies (most of the time).
Mocha The Artist that’s true but not when talking about $1000 dollars
@@anonymousalexander6005 exactly this - you can still find the very rare Lapis Lazuli pigment / paint and it'll be dumb expensive... but it will also fade pretty quick because its nowhere near as lightfast as a cheaper artificial pigment.
The reasons they're so expensive is because they're being made out of rare stuff or expensive pigments and are made to look good thousands of years from now. The first time business insider was useful lol
Well said. I'd be curious to see these in a UV weathering chamber used to test paints. Those inexpensive ones are probably not too light-fast.
*They're
Thanks for the info. Never thought of it.
Yup, we learned that in fifth grade.
If you see at Ingredient for some Oil Painting Case (for example : Georgian Oil) you see that what they made of...
Fixed👌
Now that you have painted these, put them in a window and expose them to the sunlight for a couple of months in order to compare lightfastness.
that's what I was wondering, too! He needs to compare how well they hold up.
They make protective covers and I dont know to many people that keep their paintings outside in the sun
14:08 Can we talk about the amazing editing with the music around here? Minor when he was struggling to get the mountains right and turned major when he started getting it right. Almost seemed like a movie scene
100% agree!!!
does anyone know the song title?
What it was so annoying music too loud
jazza: "should i work with poop?"
also jazza: almost throws up just by putting oil on a piece of paper
Eduardo when did he almost throw up?
@@ellabella1924 at 3:56
lmao fax
XD
Eduardo oh thank you
Me: *Sees Jazza has made a beautiful painting* Jazza: "So I just got done destroying the mountains."
Stop
Dumb
@@azizvlog1374 rude 5th grader sounding son of a ferret
I use pastels and watercolors, so seeing you just scrape up the stuff you don't like and do it again is like some kind of magical miracle to me.
Which is why so many people prefer oil painting. My dad only uses oil paint for that reason.
Its all about tradeoffs I suppose. What kind of difficulties do you want to face? I've noticed that a skilled watercolor painter can get a level of liveliness that is difficult to match with oils, but the precision and forethought required for watercolor are honestly well beyond me. Acrylics obviously form a happy middle ground, but unlike watercolors, you can't rehydrate color mixes that have dried on the pallette, so you have to be on point with your color matching. Like I said, tradeoffs.
Watercolors are just so much easier to get out and clean up! Better for casual painting
@@coyoteblue4027 if you're serious about acrylics you can always use a wet palette and/or mix in large batches. The big issue with acrylics for me is that they dry so fast when they hit the canvas that its hand to get the same gradients.
@@joncarroll2040 I don't use acrylics, though I did a little bit when I was younger. I've always preferred oils myself, and while I adore the product of a skilled watercolorist, that medium has unfortunately never really agreed with me. Acrylics I find are just a good way to destroy a lot of brushes😅
Basically:
-The cheap paint is too wet
-The expensive paint is too dry
-Get average-cost paint and it'll be perfect.
lol that would be my response, too
Get both and mix them 😏
Lol true average is always the best option
CookieBoogie XD that explains why I’m not popular. A compliment or an insult to myself, you decide.
That's what I took away from this. These things usually operate on a curve - so paint that's half the cost of the expensive stuff is probably 80% as good, half again would be 65% as good. $45 a tube is still a lot, but unless you're approaching master level skill you probably won't notice much difference, and you'll have a paint that isn't getting in your way like the $5 dollar stuff.
Those paints better wash the dishes feed the cats and cook me dinner for that much
I love your profile picture so much omg
Sugoish thanks! It’s my cat her name is Romina she’s rescued and 6 yrs old. She’s also quite the chonk
@@sophia-jc4qb I couldn't help but squeal and smile when I saw it! She is absolutely adorable!
Sugoish omg thank yoouuuu 🥺
sophia cantore nice cat
As my art teacher once said:
“You can create art using anything that has ever been made, art tool or not…but good expensive materials sure can help”
She didn’t get the funding she was after :(.
Oh. :( What did she need funding for?
@@katdoestuffYT to stop the austrians from being declined from her school
@@Settings208 oop-
As a Honda Civic owner, I’m not sure if I’m offended or not.
I know right?
you can't shop groceries in a formula 1 car.
DanMacauley you shouldn’t be Honda civics last forever!!!
same here...used to want the expensive car, but after having one it's like...why should I?
Honda is the best. Better than Toyota.
The real noticeable difference is in the water. The glassy calm lake texture is expressed far more realistically in the expensive paint
and there's reflections!
I'd love to see the expensive paint compared with a more mid grade paint. The cheap paint was so cheap I would not think even beginners should start with it. It would be so frustrating and not give even mediocre results. Great video. :)
The expensive paint painting looks more vivid. And the colours look more saturated compared to the cheap one
Price doesn’t matter to me- I can’t paint either way :)
Rip Stanley
Kim Namjoon
Yeah you would just break the canvas
Rip Stanly
Idfc, he been dead for 1 year now and it's old now
@@lmaowutwymuaintstanonlyone1390 God of destruction
I'd love to see some of these cheap vs expensive ones, but where you don't KNOW if the product you're using is the cheap one or if it's the expensive one. That'd be really fun!
HauntedSidhe yessss
HauntedSidhe I almost commented that
"I had to pour the oil out before I could use the expensive paint."
*A moment later:* "It's so thick."
Ya, the oil is what makes the paint the right consistency and texture thats why its called OIL paint!!!
this video is basically him discovering why you use a pallet with oil painting
Oooooooohhhhh-
I’ve never used oil paint, I mostly work with acrylics, but I can tell you,
NOTHING, AND I MEAN, NOTHING IS A BETTER FEELING THAN WHEN YOU PUT DOWN THE THICC-EST PAINT ON YOUR CANVAS!
I’m obsessed with thicc paint. We’re talking dummy thicc! I just love the feeling of laying down a thicc layer of paint, slowly with your brush, it feels so good when you’re able to oddly satisfy yourself with your own art! Do I have a problem? Is it weird that I’m this crazy over dummy thicc paint?
@@NoName-ld7gg theres worse things to be crazy about
@@NoName-ld7gg we all like thicc
I think it would be interesting to have a middle grade paint too. The cheap paint kit was really thin looking but the expensive paint didn’t look any better than Winsor Newton and those are like 10 bucks a tube, if that.
Mark Carder used W&N for years before making his own brand. Brian Neher still uses W&N. Richard Schmid used mostly Gamblin.
These pros saw no point in spending a fortune on Michael Harding (the expensive brand in this video), Old Holland or Vasari, so
why would the average artist?
I use Michael Harding mostly because it’s just constantly excellent.
Gamblin is imo the best midrange, followed by the W&N professional range.
It depends what kind of painting you want to produce and whether you are looking for specialist colours like lead tin yellow.
@@squirrel8161 rich asf
@@squirrel8161 you're talking absolute smack. Perceived differences. Keep wasting money
@@kavalogueI will, thanks very much 😆 I am a professional portrait painter so subtle differences really matter and it justifies the added expense. If you don’t buy paints which are made with rate pigments, like Cerulean, then you won’t spend so much more on the high quality paint (perhaps 40-60% more). I need my work to be lightfast (colour doesn’t fade/ discolour over time) and I need the pigment to be rich and finely ground. It’s expensive to make paint that way. I’ve actually visited some of the factories and it’s amazing to see how it’s done (by hand!) I guess you don’t believe in paying more than $10 for a paintbrush either. Eh, suit yourself 🤷🏻♀️
The “wet in wet” technique is probably the worst way of using Michael Harding paints. (I do and have used the less expensive series and they are fabulous for traditional painting methods).
wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet on wet
Alex Rutz lol i was just going to comment wet on wet.
Wet on wet is probably the worst way to use any oil paints. Need to let those suckers dry. BobRoss is a sham
@@cosymonkey4572 Heathen. Repent.
@@cosymonkey4572 no, just no
Imagine you open the cap and it’s dry like the ones from the dollar store
dude i would cry
I'd throw it at my brother for drying it out
I would rethink my life choices
It's oil paint. Add some oil and mash mash it back into a paste
😂😂😂😭
I think the cheap oils did an okay job. I fell that the more expensive oils colors had more depth. Maybe $1000 paints aren't entirely necessary for the average oil painter, but probably a better grade of oils might be important for someone who is even a Sunday, or hobbyist painter. Maybe if a parent is getting their teen who wants to paint a starter kit just to see if they really like it, it might work.
The expensive paint is mainly expensive because the pigment is expensive (genuine Chinese vermillion, genuine ultramarine blue, genuine Naples yellow). They’re historical pigments that have modern alternative mixes which are much more affordable, even by the same brand. So I guess to me, this is more ‘cheap paint vs. expensive pigment’ 😝 swap out genuine ultramarine for modern ultramarine by Michael Harding and boom, price cut by 90%.
I started out with Winsor and Newton (about 25$ per large tube) which was a good start, and I believe an artist who is interested in oil paint needs to start with a paint of that quality because any paint lower than that is completely different, not only in the pigment but also the viscosity and how well it corporates with mineral spirits/glosses.
Personally, I feel like getting your child cheap art supplies to just "see if they like it" is kind of dumb. If your first impressions of something like that are bad quality, you probably won't like it.
I think I know what you're asking for Christmas from your parents....
@@twent19 I'm not an oil painter?
The painting with the expensive paints is so rich of very small gradients between different colours and the impasto because of the thickness of the paints is gorgeous!
Jazza: Uneducated artists like myself
Me: starts crying over myself
J 5in
If he’s uneducated I’m a fetus
J 5in just because he is uneducated that means he doesnt know how it works as much, doesnt mean he is bad
"Uneducated" means Jazza didn't go to art school, he just took lessons elsewhere
Minh Pham
Or self taught.
I looked at this right when he said that
Bob Ross: puts thin layer of paint
Jazza: puts 2000 layers of paint and swears at it
I made it 100
(The likes)
Horror Roblox no one cares
@@kanekiweebclan5187 does it matter?
Americans says swearing makes everything better :P
@@Evixyn ?
Me: not even painting
RUclips: *dis is your recommendation*
Same
Same x2
I am Indian but RUclips recomended me out of India painting video
Ikr
Never draw a stickman in my life..
I know this isnt the first time you've heard this but he really is like the friendly Gordon Ramsey
Imao yess, I was just trying to figure out whome he looked like for throughout the video!
This is the first time I've heard this.
We all know the paint that’s comes with the bob Ross set is the best
King 321 Theres a bob ross set?
Its good because its thick. SO THICK like soooo thick
@@dood2274 like bob ross
@@wereismyblackheartsclubat5746 he a thicc boi
I agree
Me: Hmm, the cheap one isn't bad
Jazza: the cheap one is really bad to work with
Me: The cheap one looks really hard to work with
Rogue Wolf 🐺 me
I have that same picture on another account
It is interesting that the bad paint forces him to improve his technique. Moral: you got to learn with the crappy stuff, and then when you are good, you deserve to work with the best.
ACK, I have a bad habit of doing this.
Lol😂
Me: *Uses cheap paint*
Jazza: Disgusting
Me: *Cries in cheap*
Diana Aviles don’t cry. You will have to get more liquid in your body and thats not free. So keep the tears inside your body. Learn how to cry on the inside, like when a friend says something that acctually hurts, but you want to look tough, but you acctually want to cry and stab the MF in the eye with a christmas ornament and fill he’s sockets with ants, but realise that also cost money, so you dont.
#staycheap #poorpeoplehack
@@ronniba617 wtf?
Kanesyou !! I tried humour before breakfast. Did not go as I thought it would. But its true tho...
@@ronniba617 Good attempt, I laughed ;D
*that wasnt very cash money of you*
I literally loved every set of mountains that Jazz’s hated and was okay with 😂😂😂 I think that there was a difference between the paints but I would probably just try and make the cheap ones work 😄😂😅
“and see if an uneducated artist, like myself can tell the difference”
Has an art channel with millions of subscribers and views.
Has a book on how to draw characters.
Is sponsored by Huion almost every video.
Has a professional studio.
And he just taught you how to make liquid white.
I don't mean to be that guy, but you spelled taught wrong.
@@chubbybees4434 I don't meant to be that guy...
don't*
C:
@@acher9992 I don't mean to be that guy but
*mean
just because one can draw really well or manipulate markers or any number of things, does not mean they have been educated in other areas. There is a girl I watch sometimes and her pencil and marker drawings look like they could come out and bite you. Her experiments at oil painting kind of look like they were done by a toddler chimp.
@@abxsmal I don't mean to be that guy, but...
* You forgot a comma.
man doesn’t it just suck when oil paint is oily
True, who works with this shit anyway...
It's always gonna be oily, as it's made from oil. Now being properly EMULSIFIED? Now that's a different question
Cam I think it was a joke, but damn your smart. I didn’t even know that was a word.
Man, doesn’t it just suck when you stab yourself and then it hurts?
Man doesn't it suck when your playing on your phone all day then it dies?
Jazza, you should paint a Bob Ross with his brand of paints!
Tyler Goodro ya good idea
Follow a Bob Ross tutorial with Bob Ross supplies.
You madlad
Tyler Goodro legend
Lets make a petition
I'm getting in this a bit late now but I've been painting for years now and for me the only difference between cheap paint and expensive paint is vibrancy with the expensive paint just being more vibrant haha. Everything else depends on the artist.
How about mid-priced artist's oils vs very expensive artist's oils?
My Mom was trained professionally in oil painting, you have to let each layer dry before putting the next layer. So, the oily ness/wetness is normal in oil paints
Not true at all. Wet on wet or alla prima is certainly a technique used frequently in landscape and otherwise.
You must not have watched Bob Ross
This is wet on wet oil paintings like Bob Ross and his mentor
F she is correct- (Mea Ansel)...Alla Prima or Plein Aire is not the issue. One was too dry, he could have added stand oil or some other medium to increase fluidity...
Oil paint that Monet, Alexander and Ross would use for alla prima”wet on wet” would be Dry and Firm oil paint. Tube paint today needs to have most of the oils absorbed to do wet on wet painting. Squeeze the paint on a piece of cardboard and let the cardboard absorb the oil for 30-45 minutes.
the expensive colors when drying create depth.
liligh - agreed, the expensive paint allows for much more subtly and depth. If you’ll forgive the pun, it looks richer.
The colors jump out making the painting look more alive, I totally agree!
Yessss
Oil paint takes a lot to dry tho, about 3 days
and that's it, so basically expensive colors are for useless dudes who can't draw so they let their paint do the job for them instead of i don't know like, drawing the depth? isn't that what drawing and art is about? making it ?
The expensive oil paint is supposed to be used in veladuras glazes separated each at least 3 months. That's why old masters like Leonardo took years to accomplish his masterpieces.
TIL dayum
Fuck you
Jagannathan Rao why?
What does that mean with smaller words?
Thank you! I'm so over these 'let me pour paint randomly on a canvas through some kitchen utensil and call it art!!!' It's killing those of us struggling real artist, these wanna be's can create hundreds and sell them for chunk change!
He should mix the cheap paint with the expensive paint so it won’t be too wet or too dry.
I like the way you think.
OMG That's genius I'm going to try that!🎨
Or get midpriced, decent quality paints like Windsor Newton.
Great Idea unfortunately that method would make the oil bonds unstable
You use Turpentine or other catalysts to do that...
I'd love to see this concept but with acrylics.
makes me happy i see a panic fan in so many different videos lol we are slowly corrupting more and more people
I use various cheap kinds of acrylics and some more expensive ones. Only thing I could really tell a difference with was the titanium white. cheaper ones are.. cheap^^ but the best I found was the Schminke Primacryl artists Titanium white- at 30€/250ml. its AMAZING.
And watercolours
@@kitkatdrawws yes!
@@gothmwds5630 no one can resist joining the Beebo Breadbin cult forever
I feel like you should have do this without knowing which is expensive and which is cheap, I feel like that also just played a part in saying the latter is better
If you look at the two, one is objectively better, so not really
@@ogs5276 as he painted with full knowledge of which he was using... putting more effort into the expensive one...lol "objectively".
@@ogs5276 one also was done immediately after the other. meaning he had practiced the painting once already. when you look at the mountains the expensive paint ones look better solely because the time and detail work taken was better than the cheap paint. not he paint itself
I think he put in more effort, because he wasn't fighting with the paint...
I haven't used oil paints in about 15 years. Here's some guidance. When you were painting with the cheap paints, you said that it became muddy and it wasn't dry when you needed the contrast-- well, yes, you have to let oils dry overnight if you want to add more layers. They're very different from acrylic in that you can let acrylic dry for an hour and go back to it. If you want oils to dry faster, you can add a couple of drops of turpenoid (odorless version) to it. You can also mix linseed (or artist medium) to the paint with lots of turpenoid if you want to make a wash.
You can also mix some Gamsol
I was gonna say this, working with cheap pain is that you should give it time gaps beforr layering
You can also firm it up by putting it on something absorbent like cardboard or paper towel for a while then move it to your palate. Or you can simply get paint that dries faster Winsor and Newton Griffin.
He said that he was doing Bob Ross style wet on wet. If you search Bob Ross on RUclips you'll find plenty of his videos. They're kind of cool, in a weird way. He used to have tv show on pbs and each episode he would guide the viewer through a step by step, very fast, wet on wet oil landscape tutorial.
There is not one single correct method for doing oil painting. There are some general ground rules, especially when it comes to typical layering, which are helpful to avoid common pitfalls, like cracking, wrinkling, and discoloration. But there are many different methodologies, and room still for experimentation and innovation.
That's good advice even for me
I learn over the past years, there's a huge difference between cheap and professional art supplies. But there's a mild difference between a professional and the very expensive one.
I didn't see him beat the devil out of it
Tom Christie this comment 😎
That wasn't a mistake, just a happy little accident
"art with poop -- y'know i'm not above it"
salvador dali has entered the chat
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_Shit
Gareth Price w-wh-why would you leave a link to I think oil paint-? that’s called artists shit-
@@riyannaal-rashideh7400 art with poop
Gareth Price OxO
Gareth Price lol
And I thought spending $10 on a tube of paint was expensive
And my mum thought £9 for 50 colouring pencils is expensive ->-
I think he bought a set being scalped...
I normally pay up to $5 for model paints, due to the smaller amount of medium, and finer pigments.
Same I'm broke
Oh it's really not.
It's not only about the longevity of the material, there are many aspects within the price. The ratio pigment:binder is much different with more expensive paint. Some brands dont use linseed oil as a binder but some other resins, as linseed oil yellows and darkens over time (Norma by Schminke). But the price of the pigment makes the real difference. The same brand and series of tube (lets say old Holland) can sell for less then 10€ and more than 150€ with the same binder and pigment ratio. Thats because some pigments are very rare or hard to manufacture. But its good to know that some of the colors are there for restoration, as you want to use the exact same pigment if you restore an old painting, and some older pigments had very odd ways of production, like dried cow urine or smashed louse. You can get the same or even more vivid colour these days with syntetic versions that are often much cheaper. So yes, no need buy the expensive paint as you can mix most colours with 6 tubes, that can still be very high quality.
It would also be nice to see how good mid-price oil paint performs.
Agreed.
Yesss😀👍👍
Gambin is a middle ground paint and runs 8-20 usd per tube. It's less intimidating to work with and quite a lot of student oil painters go for it
@@ValaxyOats I'm a huge Gamblin fangirl. Their Instagram is so cool, they show you all their paint mills and giant tubs of their colors and even the modified toothpaste tube filling machine they use to fill their paint tubes :D
Really an oil paint that is around 20-50 dollars per large tube is going to be about the same quality as the expensive oil paint in this video. The only difference is that the oil paints in the video were probably more carefully made and have their pigments from the original sources( such as actual cadmium instead of something else) But in general paints that are considered middle-ground function about the same as expensive paints. There is a huge difference between dirt cheap paint and medium grade paint though.
I think you'll notice more of a difference 20 years from now when the cheap one is faded and the expensive one still looks vibrant and nice.
You were maybe pressing too hard when you're doing the snow layer on the mountains, you just need a role of paint in your knife and just quickly and lightly drag it down and let the paint break. The snowy depth perspective look comes from the little breaks in the paint on the mountain rather than it being smooth
He should have watched bob ross video while painting it xD
You seem know a bit about oil painting, so I'll just ask you:
How do you think the expensive brand justifies their price? The quality doesn't seem better than other high quality brands like schminke for example but the price is... Different
@@steinistein8611 I think the price is a bit extreme if I'm honest. Yes the quality is good, but I think other good quality oil paint in a mid range price is just as good, especially if you're learning. I get the feeling these paints are pricey for the sake of a label, people expect them to be amazing for the sake of their price, but there's not really a significant difference in them (from what can be seen in the video) compared to cheaper high quality oil paint. For the price of these, they better be magic and paint themselves onto the canvas. I feel like if there was a comparison between high quality but reasonably priced oil paint and these, there wouldn't be a marked enough difference to justify the cost. It's like the whole Vanta Black thing, where Black 3.0 realistically is just as good for general use. I'd quite like to see what the company says is a justifiable reason for the cost of their oil paints, because maybe there's something about them that we've not seen from this video as it's not really show casing them, but personally, I'm not convinced they're significantly better than other high quality oil paints. I'd like to see a review from someone experienced with oil paint. I think there's also a factor of the tubes being much bigger than your average set of oil paints you'd get in a shop, which probably influences the price, so a cost comparison with equally sized tubes would also be interesting.
@@NiaJustNia now that you mention it, didn't even consider the tube size, they seem pretty big indeed
I agree with you on everything you said, they just don't seem to offer anything paint for half the prize couldn't provide...
Ok boomer
Everyone: Copics are so expensive!
These expensive oil paints: I'm gonna end this man's whole career.
Here's the problem: You biased yourself the entire time by knowing which paint was more expensive, not mixing both paints before putting them on the canvas during the swatch test (yes, the expensive ones were oilier, that doesn't mean the other paint didn't need to be mixed), and then with the expectation that the cheap one would be noticeably worse, you put a lot more time and effort into the painting with the expensive paints.
honestly, true.
@Jazza
100% agree; this isn't a scientific way of comparing these two paints. Should've been a blind test, both should've been used and treated the exact same way. Sadly, the way he handed things makes the entire video moot.
Privacy Lover Absolutely correct. Someone else should have squeezed the paints onto the paint pallet so that he can paint as he normally would with both products without knowing which is which.
He tried so hard to make the expensive paint look better, unfair comparison imo
Jazza you should do something like this with acrylic and paintbrushes
Acrylics are a lot harder. They're not nearly as forgiving as oil.
And I say this as a tabletop mini painter XD
@@ShadowDrakken this is very true! Funny part is I love acrylics way more than oil paints. I think as well as how you paint plays a role in which you prefer.
TheZombieCatalyst acrylic paint is not as much for realism and also much cheaper
@shadowdrakken please watch this video painting with acrylics ruclips.net/video/niZrV2suOn0/видео.html
To see if the expensive paints are worth it you need to leave the paintings for about 10 years and come back and then see which ones have faced the test of time.
The expensive paints are usually used by professional artists who are selling their work through galleries. They use the expensive paint cause it has to not fade over time.
Since it's UV light which cause fading of paintings it spring to my mind an idea - maybe he can use sunbed sort of light (like portable table top one) to mimic sunlight exposure in much quicker time frame? They are not that expensive and may show difference in ligh fastness of paints quite quickly.
Go into artists studios where a lot of professionals work and you'll see tubes of Winton, Georgian, and pots of System 3 everywhere.
@@montygemma Exactly, I've got old paintings from my student days that are just fine and I couldn't afford expensive paint. It's like everything, if theres a market for an expensive product it will be made.
I have thirty year old paintings done with Winton on cheap canvas boards that look the same.
Tbf most professional "artists" are just professional money launderers
You can't tell me someone duct taping a banana to a wall is worth millions. It's usually objective trash art, low effort garbage that gets sold
Jazza : remakes mountains 3 times
Bob Ross : mistakes are just happy accidents
my dad says the same when he got me :(
This is exactly what I was thinking at that time.
me:likes cause likes were at 199 so it now 200
Gamer_for_life FortniteSCKS ruclips.net/video/-mMNjLPuy0k/видео.html
Happy lttile accidenta
I'd love to see another version of this where someone chooses the paints for you and you don't know which paints cost more and see the result! 🧐
Jazza: pulls out black market lookin box
Me: "i knew this day would come"
Is Jazza a secret agent working for the government?! :3
:0 conspiracy
Stop advertising yourself, no-one wants to see that.
@@MoontheWolfYT yes
Me seeing the thumbnail:
*$7 is the expensive range for me...*
Same ):
Bruh I don’t even have one dollar
Mads Larsen AH
@@Ash-yx8de lol
@@Ash-yx8de Same
Jazza: WhY aRe My OiL PaiNts OiLy?!
Lmao
K i w i w i i wHy iS mY sHowEr WeT???
I nEeD bRiStLy BrUsHeS!!
@Faith Ayres 😂😂😂
WhY iS tHe KniFE ShArp AND BlOOdY????
Hi! I like to paint with oils and feel like I'm decently qualified to tell my experience on the subject.
I like to try out different brands and tools and see what works for me so I've some experience on how they differ based on price too. (and some material and tool tips for beginners)
TL;DR Cheap paints are good if you're starting out and expensive stuff will only aid you once you're already familiar with how to work the materials. Just paint!
First and foremost the pigment quality. For my personal work, not meant for sale I tend to use a cheaper paint from the Van Gogh brand (At around 4€ per 20ml tube) and have a good 12 tube set. For my more "professional" paintings I use a mix of Windsor and Newton (about 20€ for a 40ml tube) and various other more expensive tubes for one or two colors.
The pigment quality of a paint can be easily seen when mixing with white. The faster the hue "dies" and becomes pastel, the worse/less pigment there is. This can be a HUGE problem say, when wanting to get that perfect middle shade salmon pink with enough saturation but the paint just goes immediately to a dusty pink with a tiny bit of white.
Second thing is the, as Jazza notes in the video: the opacity. Good quality oil paints tend to be more thick because it has a higher pigment to binder ratio, because it is expected that the artist mixes it with either a paint thinner (fyi, turpentine is a health hazard, use linseed oil. Cooked linseed oil yellows more than coldpressed but dries in like a week!) or oil. This allows for a wider range of opacity and paint texture, which is quickly lost with cheaper paints unless you want to glob the whole 12ml tube for a single stroke. Some paints are naturally more transparent than others, for example Indian yellow and alizarin crimson but you develop a touch for working with them with use.
Then there is lightfastness and longevity. Good paints yellow slower. Now, a lot of factors from the pigments to the oil used down to the canvas painted on affect how fast the paint yellows, but with cheaper paints you can start seeing the effect in ten or so years, where as better pigments last for hundreds of years, remaining vibrant and bright. Nowadays even the cheaper (talking in like the 3-7€ per tube range) tubes are starting to have very decent pigments that last for much longer so this is something to consider really only if you want someone to be able to see the painting just as you made it even after decades.
There are a ton of other things to consider too but those are the main big things for me.
But!
Important to consider as well are the brushes!
Most of us here I bet are much more used to acrylics and pencils and our first instinct is to buy the cheaper brush. The synthetic, soft and uniformly shaped ones. While that can and does work to a varying degree, good brushes and more importantly (for me) natural bristles make a massive difference. It gets you more defined and bold strokes!
Now, I'm not that cheap paints are bad, Infact I recommend buying cheaper paints for your first set to get used to the medium! Oil paints can easily empty your bank account if you use the expensive stuff constantly and it's not a secret that even the more professional painters often use acrylics or cheaper stuff for the base layers to use less time and oil on the canvas! It's daunting to get into oils because of the reputation but once you get past that first hurdle and start messing around with the paints, a dollar or two more invested into the set will help make the first trials easier to navigate. Fighting against the paint is never fun.
Also, I recommend skipping the draw of the massive sets of small tubes with violets, pinks and pastels etc etc. You can make due perfectly well with very few tubes (I recommend the primaries, cold and warm + white, a viridian, yellow ochre and a strong violet shade. Mixing your own black is a good thing to learn but a nice mars/lamp Black doesn't hurt.) Learning to mix the colors you want is more important to me than having a million different ready mixed tubes or green to choose from.
What I'm trying to say is: If you feel like you don't know the medium yet; get the cheap paints (I really recommend the Van Gogh paints) and just mess around with 'em untill you feel more comfortable. Expensive paints won't make you a better artist, but once you're already in tune with the tools, they help the work shine on further. Best thing to do is to just start painting!
That's my two cents on the topic
The amount of depth that the expensive paint has is phenomenal.
I’m not sure why but he reminds me of the art version of Gordon Ramsay
OMG yes
아레 움애커맨 OMG...
That accent with that hair yep
Wouldn't Gordon Ramsay be the art version of Gordon Ramsay?
I was thinking the sameee
Me: oh that cheap oil paint doesn’t look too ba-
Jazza : *disgusting*
Me: *ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING*
Same tho smh-
Lol
“The guy”
Hahaha
AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA OH WAIT NO ITS JJAAAAAAAZZZZAAAAAAA
My favorite part is the orange sky, but the blue reflected water
Art challenge: make a sculpture out of tootsie roll candies
That would honestly be cool
my gums started hurting just from thinking about tootsie rolls
That sounds disgusting. I love it.
Make him regret his statement lol
This I could live with
Me:
Watches mainly game related content
yt: Let's recommend: "Is Oil paint worth it"
ok
Happened to me. I can't draw or do anything artistic, and here I am at 3:23 am
@@PereVale Lmao fax
kind of a "why not" moment eh? XD
same i mean i used to watch him but that was a long time ago and here he is again also i keep getting snake/reptile vids in my recommended stuff and i'm like uhhh k 2 hours later i have just watched a crap ton of reptile vids and don't have my time back.... okay more egg eating snake vids please!
Watch Bob Ross on Twitch (or RUclips, but you Don't have the chat). It is just so chill, that his voice helps you fall asleep.
Traditional painting: stressing over paint quality
Digital art: opacity bar gor brrr
Your typo had me read this in Australian.
XD
Digital art is superior.
@@randomwannabe556 thats not true.. not all art is hard to make.
miranda panda I bet you can’t replicate the beauty of your scribbles from when you were 4
I can’t either
I would love to see this video but double blind format, where you use another painter but they dont know weather the paint is cheap or expensive and paint 2 pictures
plot twist: the price is just a placebo effect and they're both the same price
I read this a prince and I was so confused
@@mxazra mood
@@grievuspwn4g3 finally, there is someone who gets it, colour isnt just colour, its like how pink is a u.s only pigment due to how you get it, different things have different prices not just for no reason (in most cases)
@@DazsdWTP my god that made no sense
Should’ve had someone take out the paint and mix it and then just give you the palate and then at the end they tell you which was the expensive and which was the cheap and then you could’ve painted exactly the same
Good call.
True. He was trying way harder for the expensive paints...
Yeah but he also wouldve immediately noticed the difference.
Jazza: *sprays out the cheap yellow color*
Me: "It looks like brown mustard."
Jazza: "It looks like poop."
Me: "Oh..."
He does have a child, he's probably traumatized
Had the same reaction here 😂😂😂
Same here except I was thinking it looked like dijon mustard
he should do poop
poop
poop
I thought it looked like baby poo 💩
The basic formula for painting in oils is “fat over lean”, meaning your first layers should contain more oil and/or thinner and your last layers should contain more paint. With the expensive paint you would adjust the consistency as you work.
"a thin paint sticks to a thick paint" -Bob Ross
Fat over lean means you mix thinners or turps with early layers and increase the amount of oil in later layers.
it means the lean (turp dilluted) goes first!
“Art with poop:
You know I’m not above it”😏
Oh please don't encourage him! Lol!
Stevie G hahahahaha
Please!
He has said the words, now he must follow through! But what will it be? Painting? Sculpture? Music? How many ways can poop be used!?
I can’t be the only one that actually wants to see what Jazza would do with the poop though...
Unlabeled paint sets. A blind test would be a better exercise.
He'd probably know immediately which was which.
thicker = more expensive, even if other factors might make the cheaper better in some situations
A blind taste test would be even better.
If the test was blind he couldn't see the paint ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Jazza: says he's not good at painting
also Jazza: creates 2 incredible paintings
Rip Stanley
@@izlshf5879 ok I get it it's sad but how long did this take u it's on every comment
@@ruin11z83 Im Mocking a notorious bag i know youve seen him. AND IDK WHO STANLEY IS LOL.
Edit: Its not in every comment only 10 or somewhat.
@@izlshf5879 what
@@izlshf5879 notorious big? Jojo reference?
I’ve never used oils, only watercolor but there is definitely a difference between Arteza and Winston Newton watercolors and cheap kid palettes.
Am I the only artist in here crying at the portions he’s putting on the pallet of the expensive paint💀😶
Yes! Omg. I’m shaking my head the whole time yet wishing I could try them. Lol
I'm not even an artist and I could tell something about it was off
@@TiffanysFineArt jokers always over due everything.
I was definitely cringing!!! But what the hell if he enjoyed squeezing that tube like they squeezed his wallet then go Jazza!!
Nicis Nicis I don’t paint a lot, but i mean, doubt he is gonna use it ever again :/
As an oil painting artist i almost cried for how much titanium white was wasted 🥺🥺give them to me.
raegan marie oh so you must be one of those people who take everything literally..,
@raegan marie
She said almost
raegan marie so you’re obviously not an artist and you’re obviously take stuff too literally
Morris Meeuwissen yeah bruh like it was honestly a bruh moment i almost laughed out lol like what a bruh.
/r woooosh
Nobody:
Gordon Ramsey:”wHeRe’S tHe LaMb SaUce?!”
Jazza:”wHeRe’S tHe TeXtUrE?!”
XD
Here a bit more
Jazza: “wHeRe’S tHe CoNtRaSt, and the f***ing lighting?!”
Jazza again: “yOu F***iNg pAiNteR.”
@StevenS Animations wtf does that even mean? "I might even be big grainy youtubers"
Chester Shoeberry I get what they were trying to say, but it sounds like they’re talking about becoming a big RUclipsr who is grainy. 😂
@@bearlyplaying Grainy sounds like how you would describe some good cake. Mmmm... Grainy...
Oil paint is not just the color, but the quality in it, like the ligntfastedness of the oil paint.
Jazza: this paint is better then that paint
Also Jazza: *casually flips us all off* 5:21
“You know I’m not above it” sums up my dignity
When there you opened there case and der wasn't a golden there glow coming there out... You there missed a trick.
There*
I like how the first comment is a correction
SpookedFrog I mean, it was going to happen eventually
Eh beaten to death trope. Not funny anymore 😑
@@fkhan2006 Where? I missed it!
"You know I'm not about it" had me on the floor ahah, great video, easy sub!
Jazza:I’m the worst artist
1 min later: oh I’m actually the best
Balasubramanian Narayanswamy minute
@@todotipodecosas1644 min
Omg I didn’t even notice it was jazza till I read this
Jazza: “There is some difference”
Me: “There is no difference”
Bob Ross: “There is so much difference”
Edit: I am very grateful for the likes 👍🏼 Thx
Anni498 - I don’t get it???😑
Truly
K
@@mimichowchow723 h o w
@@mimichowchow723 between high quality and cheap paint.
Jazza: “I’m really bad at painting”
Also Jazza: *makes a beautiful painting*
Yeah not really.
Nick Hall bruh it’s beautiful ;-;
@@nickhall7763 your 0 subs couldnt disagree with you more
Meh, it's incredibly evident that he hasn't touched oil paints before now. It's excusable for an absolute beginner, but with even just a couple months of proper study of the medium, you could make something much better.
@@nickhall7763 but It is beautiful
One reason why artists should be able to earn their living with their art : expensive art supplies!!!
I’m a young artist currently in High School, and I watched this to see whether I should save up for expensive oils or cheaper. For one of my art projects I’m actually using oil paints and it’s really nice, but takes a while to dry. I look up to you Jazza, and I think you’re an amazingly talented artist, I enjoy your channel and seeing all of these beautiful creations you make. Thank you for being a great person and artist ^-^ (Sorry, I have no clue what I was trying to say I don’t comment often >~
Lol
Use cheap acrylics(only primary colors) for the first layer, just color blocking. And then use medium price oil colors(like Winsor newton) for the rest of the painting. Oh and keep in mind of the fat over lean rule
i use windsor newtons liquin product in my oil paint to make them dry faster, i have very dry paintings within the week, 3 or 4 days on average. really helps when needing to add more layers
Also, if you have a Hobby Lobby near you, their Masters Touch brand oil paints are very affordable and are an excellent product. watch for 50 percent off sales!
UnicornSlayer thank you so much!
anyone here remember when he didnt have 1000 camera angles
Ghost those were the olden days soldier
Remember it like yesterday
Ghost I hate the different angels lol
Yup
Ghost hi no sorry
Part of oil paints that makes the price vary is also the longevity of the pigments as well. How *long* will your painting look the way it does?
Not really. It's mainly price of pigments (meaining material & manufacturing cost). Chinese Vermilion he used is one of most expensive pigments and yet it's not lightfast - it has tendency to blacken when exposed to sunglight
A truly skilled master can spend less than 1 cent and still produce a priceless masterpiece.