Why I sold my RICOH GRIII
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2021
- Ive had the Ricoh GRIII for a while now and for a good time its been my daily driver but over the past few months I've drifted away from it a good deal and hardly touch it now.
I feel like ive found my happy place with my photography and in this video i want to discuss some reasons why its lead me to selling the GRIII.
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changing cameras for photographers is a bigger deal than breakups
Haha this is sooo true.
Only if you are a dxxxhead😊
@@juliussternfeld428 damn who hurt u🤣
Absolutely true
I think the problem with most people parting with it is that they are expecting this camera to do or be things that the camera was not designed for.
Yes brother! Loved this. Great storytelling and loved the images. Nice choice of music too. Top top work.
Thanks buddy
There are lots of cameras with better focusing but not many that will fit in your jeans pocket and can be part of your edc and that delivers the quality that the Ricoh delivers. You can truly have this camera with you whenever you go. That point is often overlooked. The only true competitor I’ve found is the Fuji X70.
Well, it depends on the size of your pocket. I find the discourse that the street machine has to be compact a bit fundamentalist. And there are plenty of small, dignified cameras out there like this dust-collecting sensor machine, too.
I think it all comes down to whether this camera fits into your style or not. In my case, I lean more towards getting people faces and their dynamics with the environment of my city so it sits alright with me, given that the camera is so discrete and easy to operate that you can get way too close to a scene without bruising it, and that is a tremendous advantage. I totally had to change my mindset about the viewfinder "issue" and work on a better mental visualization of how far or how close I have to be to my subject in relation to the lens, at certain point it becomes second nature and you dont even need to look at the screen to know if you got the shot right or you screwed it.
If you are more interested in architecture, juggling with shadows, colors and photographing people's back maybe Ricoh is not the camera you need.
I recently picked up the GRIIIx and am quite impressed. I did add the GA-2 adapter, and while it no longer fits in a pants pocket (no problem putting it in my jacket pocket), it does reduce the dust on the sensor issue. I also find the 40mm equivalent lens to be easier to use during the current COVID situation and the distance that people seem to want while out and about.
That said, I definitely see your point on wanting more variety of focal length choices, and the Fuji will click that box nicely. I shot Fuji for several years, but have since switched back to Nikon (and their Z mirrorless system) for more serious work. I will likely shoot with the Ricoh for a while, but do miss my X100V at times.
Thanks for your comment very much appreciated. Glad you are enjoying the GRIIIx it looks an interesting camera in all fairness. I am really enjoying the Fuji XE4 it is super small and perfect for travel and street and gives me plenty of options. Im currently thinking of getting a XT4 for my work stuff at the moment as i really like the feel of these camera not to mention the great images that comes out of them. Thank again
I use the adapter/filter combo on my standard GR III as well. I know it changes it's portability but I really don't want to deal with any dust on the sensor. I also take it one step further by putting gaffers tape over the mic and speaker openings. It renders the video useless to me as there won't be any audio but video on the GR III isn't very good anyway.
@@IanSnape so you prefer the griiix better than the regular griii?
Conversely - I have decided to sell my Sony ZV-1 & a long-zoom Sigma lens to (partially!) fund my purchase of a GR III. I've read many posts, reviews, and pieces about the pros & cons of this camera, but it just appeals to me. The kind of photography I enjoy has changed with age and I think this will suit me going forward. We'll see !!
did you get the 3x or 3?
@@gn6311 I got the GR III, and so far am loving it - especially the raw output. Those files are great to work with and before I hated developing from Raw! I might switch to purely taking Raw images on this camera, actually.
@@kengriffith45 Is the AF fast enough for you? I was gonna get a ZV-1 but then I found the GR III. An APS-C in a compact size that I can carry everywhere. Aweomse! It's just what I need but I'm still worried about things.
@@NinPossible the 2 cameras really fulfill different niches. The Xbox-1 is a great vlogging/RUclips camera, whereas the GR III is more of a pure photography camera. For photography, and with the right settings in place, the autofocus works just fine. I’ve had no issues with it, although the snap-focus is a bit foreign to me so far. I love the raw files out of this camera, which I’ve never really been able to say about any other camera I’ve owned to date!
@@kengriffith45 Thank you so much for the info! 🙏
"it's cold" amazing feature. Amazing video. Beautiful actually. 💛
happy to see that the pros outweigh the cons overall. I want the street edition so I can take a photo by tapping the screen....even more blending in
I am not a loyalist to any brand and totally understand your points with the GR III. I actually owned a GR III and ended up reverting to the GR II for better ergonomics (just felt better in the hand). They are great cameras but yes they do not posses every feature. The AF is one of my key features that a camera must posses and do it decent enough to be able to count on, unfortunately the GR III falls short. I have multiple cameras and the camera that I can trust and gives me amazing results is my Sony A7C with a 35 mm Carl Zeiss. The AF on it is simply amazing It never fails me. Even the color science that many seem to criticize with out even trying it is also amazing.
So yes, I understand looking for a different camera to meet your needs.
Love it as well, but the lack of a viewfinder is limiting for me as well. It's a beast as a stealthy camera, no doubt. Just find myself really missing the viewfinder time and time again. I also found that I miss simple controls of Fuji and my Q2, not a big fan of the Ricoh menus.
The snap focus is why the GR iii has a cult following, I love it for quick ninja shots whiteout much brain power or carrying multiple lenses especially on road trips.
Greetings and thank you, this really helps me since I have been looking to getting this camera!
For me that seamless camera is the Fujifilm X-70, which is ironic because I generally dislike Fujifilm output and colours.
I shoot with my thumb, waist level, screen flipped up. The usability of that camera is peak. I would so much prefer the GR, but the fixed screen is a dealbreaker, and I want them to concede the extra width of the lens out and weather seal it with no retractable parts. It wouldn't add much to the footprint anyway, and it would solve the dust problem. Plus you could better mount a lens hood, filters, and other things, like the X-70.
I was just out today shooting with the GR (first digital body). And again reminded how fantastic it is. GR iii feels like a step back in ergonomics, unfortunately.
The lack of a viewfinder is an absolute blockade between me, and purchasing this camera. My Sony RX-100 VA isn't perfect but produces phenomenal images via a fast Zeiss 24-70 lens.
I've had the sensor of my interchangeable lens camera cleaned a couple of times, which was no big deal, but is it even possible with a compact? They would have to take it to bits and probably charge more than it was worth. Out of curiosity, do you have a rough idea of how many pictures you took with the GRiii ?
Its hard to say as i had the Ricoh as my daily shooter for about a year, so ive snapped ALOT of images and have like i say really enjoyed it but now i dont really get that enjoyment from it like i did before.
Great observations man. I Just grabbed an X-T5 recently and have been racking my brains on an additional edc and seeing this brought back memories of my GR so thank you. if you’re someone who prizes portability and image quality overall then I can’t recommend it enough as an EDC or even a main driver. I find its quirks regarding potential dust ingress and low battery to be reasonable trade offs once you see image output and size.
Thanks Andy
Cool video. I am planning my first trip to London this winter. Currently have the pixel 5, and was thinking about getting the RGiii, but not sure for the price. Now is 1000 USD. And the batteries you have to buy.
I’ve thought about one of these and similar small cameras but what ultimately keeps me reaching for my old DSLR is battery life. Yeah I can’t fit it in my pocket but on one battery I can shoot for days and days.
I find that my GRIII battery lasts forever. I've never had to use more that one battery out in the field. Granted I turn my camera off quite a bit to preserve battery, and I only shoot for maybe 2 hours at a time. But I usually come home with a bar or even two left.
@@SpencerWhiteman impressive. A few hours is usually a good amount of time and if a battery lasts that long, it’s all good 👌🏼
same as yours basically .. but I had cunningly swapped a gr3 with my friend for my X100f and learned this after week of using it ... interestingly my friend was not awed by my X100f either so we swapped cameras back and parted our ways :D and everybody was happy in the end with his own camera :D .. so cool ..
Nice vid Ian.. I still love GR III vocal length until now. Currently Im on xs10 with xf 35 mm. Still not comfortable with it. Lol
My GRIIIX got dust, sent it for cleaning, came back and while much better still has one dust speckle. (This is in USA, under warranty, under the Ricoh blessed-sub contracted Precision Repair). I guess they are not that precise ;-)
I am going to try to send it back but first use it for a solid week as I want to go minimalistic and try to make the my Main Street camera. Ricoh just gets the usability, UI and feature set so so right. Congrats on your X-E4- that's been on my potential list for a while, I know it's. great camera. But my other mains is m43rds EM10MarkIV and EP7.
The M43rds are nice, and have great IBIS but like the Fuji they aren't exactly pocketable like the Ricoh is.
I just got the GR III x, and the camera gets pretty warm after 10-20 minutes of use, even just browsing through the menus and images. Have you experienced the same thing? Probably not a big deal since I usually turn the camera on, take a picture, and turn it off. I also have experience with the Fuji X100V and that camera also gets warm.
I just got mine and yes it does indeed get a bit warm. I’ve drained the battery setting it up and taking pictures, but honestly it did not get hot, just warm 😅
Out if curiosity, which camera are you planning to get?
I’m not buying anymore my friend just using my Fuji.
@@IanSnape I have the Fuji XT3 and I’m intrigued by the X100V just for street photography. I would have bought the 23mmf2 but the image quality of the newly developed fixed lens of the X100V is a killer. The newly released primes though are superior in quality, they are bigger than expected.
I sold my Leica Q2 cos my GR3 makes the same work.
So, what are the best alternatives for image quality, portability and with snap focus?
I don’t use snap focus, so if you are reliant on that Ricoh GR is best for you 👍🏼
@@IanSnape thanks! So without snap focus what do you think would be the next best options please? Thanks!
I use my GR III for landscape (with a tripod) and documentary. I also have a neutral density filter attachment for landscapes (not Ricoh's overpriced crap). I don't use it for "street" so don't have the problems you experience. I also have a GRD I (2005), Nikon D200 (2006), Nikon D610 (2013) and a Fuji Xpro 1 (2013-ish), but still think the GR III is the best. Great videos, mate!
Xpro is a great little camera. Thanks for watching
I've just decided to pickup a GRIII and the points you're sharing are super helpful :3
My "soulmate" camera has been my RX1RII which I got used a while ago. It produces top (probably unmatched) quality images at the 35mm focal length I've come to love, but it's definitely not a pocketable camera (doesn't even fit in some smaller bags I carry). I've tried the Leica D-Lux 7 for a bit (which I think might actually be a compact camera that suits your style well!), but the shooting experience hasn't been as great as I expected, and having gotten used to the Sony's full-frame images, I just find the images out of the D-Lux great, but not amazing. Not to mention that the D-Lux, just like the LX100II it's based on, isn't truly a pocketable camera either.
I hope the GRIII will really give me the kind of portability and performance I want. Even though I've always found 28mm a bit wide, I feel that it might give me the kind of challenge I need as I've gotten so used to 35mm :P
I hope you have fun with it, it really helped me learn the streets and also just documenting life moments.
Have fun 🤩
I am wanting the Sony RX1MII. The price tag of $3k prevents me from buying it. Nice 35mm focal length vs. the Q2’s 28mm is a plus. There is the possibility of digital zoom to 50mm and 71mm and I like that. I don’t need a pocketable camera. I live in Seattle. Most days are cool or wet so a jacket pocketable body will do.
Just purchased a Ricoh IIIx. The jury is out. Like the B&W sims. I love to crush my blacks and this sensor does a good job of it. I know there is no EVF but I do miss not having one. I have got the hang of one hand shooting yet. The snap focus is a major feature of this camera and I do appreciate it. So far I like this camera. Will it be my primary camera? I do love my Fuji’s. Time will tell.
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Now, this camera is sold out in most countries and hard to find. The selling price for new units became inflated also. I hope you sold it to me 2 years ago. People are now realizing that super compact bodies with big sensors (Fujifilm X100V and Ricoh GR III/III x) are getting their attention as they should deserve in the first place 😅
Sorry a bit unrelated but are you in Birmingham? I seems to recognize victoria Sqaure, but I'm not sure.
Yeah dude I’m in Birmingham
The GRDIII and GRDIV were nearly perfect in their day. The GRIII and GRIIIx come close to capturing that feeling; the IQ is worlds superior and yet, sometimes, it really isn't... almost too clinical for me. (But that's the ridiculous nitpick.) It's the slightly slower AF than those earlier models, and a battery life that's lucky if it's 1/2 the runtime of the predecessors. I feel that in one more iteration (god willing) it will have arrived. :)
It's funny how a camera company can manage to take multiple steps back on NEW GEAR
What camera did you replace your GR with then?
XE4 thanks
@@IanSnape interesting. I had an X-E4 and found it too big for pocket carry.
Bravo! I couldn't Agree more, however I don't think I would part with mine. Dust is my biggest concern. Ricoh had already replaced 1 camera for this reason. so far so good with the replacement. I love the images out of this thing! My other cameras are A Fuji XE2s and and XH-1. This camera goes everywhere with me, along with my Phone, the Ultra S21 by Samsung.
It is unacceptable that for the price paid for the Richo GR one earns so much dust. I see this camera and the Kansas song "dust in the wind" sounds in my head.
Still love this camera, will come with me in the grave when the day will be
Still loving my Ricoh, until something comes out similarly sized and priced that offers a lot more function I'll be sticking with it.
I will be passing on the GRIIIX and any upcoming releases unless they do something crazy to convince me.
My dream GRIV would have a tilt screen, more settings options for external flash (front and rear curtain control) and a faster aperture are all things I'm looking out for, provided theres not too much of a size/price compromise that is
would someone guide me on my decesion about selling my xe3&27mm for a gr3..
What guidance do you need?
@@IanSnape still dont know whether thats a wise choice or not..
Yes, that there’s no viewfinder was the 1st reason that I almost didn’t buy it, and, that the LCD screen doesn’t move, makes it that you have to almost always have this at eye level, not the greatest format for street photography. That it’s either 3:2 or 1:1, I’m dealing with that, but I’m a 16:9 guy, so, that.
I got the GRIII two weeks ago and seriously considering on returning it. It’s small and great but the autofocus is killing me. I’ve been playing with the snap focus and trying to get used to it, but at the end of the day it’s more of a crutch than a feature. I have two more weeks to decide, but so far, it looks like I’ll be returning it
autofocus is a big deal for any street photographer especially with taking candid shots. The stealthiness of this camera is useless if the autofocus is not as good as jt should
My biggest problem with the Ricoh GRIII and GRIIIx is that I shoot so many pictures that it's difficult to have enough time to edit them, and then the Ricoh cameras also mean that I don't get to use my full frame equipment enough, so maybe I should also sell my Ricoh cameras?
I use it for subjects other than "street".... I hope you have a good way going forward.
Based on your critique, I don’t think you’re the right photographer for this camera so parting ways was a good shout. All point and shoots drain batteries so this feels like a silly point. All fuji cameras drain batteries but people still shoot them! The lack of view finder forces you to shoot differently, to get angles and compositions that you’d never go for if you had an EVF. It sounds like you bought it for the hype and expected it to be like every other camera, or God forbid ‘make you a better photographer’. GR shooters that embrace it’s quirks produce images that they never could on other cameras because with the GRs, they have to shoot differently. You don’t want to shoot differently, that’s okay but just say that rather than regurgitate saturated info.
No need to be angry my friend, I did say I liked it but it’s an expensive tool that you can create the same images on other cameras.
Depends if you want to be sneaky with the snap focus.
Anyways super happy you love the camera and happy shooting.
@@IanSnape Not angry, just feel like the video is pure clickbait (no substance, just filler) but I clicked so there's that. :)
This video just reinforced why I bought mine🤣 Made me want to go shoot with it
Im fed up with Ricoh GR iii, the camera either overheats or freezes after 5 pics! Warrenty is gone too, so ill buy something else. Sad to be so disappointed with this Product. I did love it.
The best GR is the GRii. That is why the GRii is so sough-after on the used market.
I have about four grs from the 1st right upto the gr ii, only missing the old iii and
new series gr which actually broke. I can totally agree with the focus it can be hit and miss, don't know whether you tried the first or second ones they were real bad with the focus. But the b&w images I get out of them I can never get out of other cameras. Ive had nikons, canons and now fujis. looking thru my photos and then looking at the camera it was taken on and it was a ricoh and i think from this little camera I can create these photos. I believe in mastering a camera with all it flaws and getting the best out of it using my skills. I can live with the bad autofocus not being perfect, cos it has the brilliant snap focus which takes a while to get used to but once you do and the discreet size I get photos I would never get on another camera. If I want to really work an image after i will take in raw other that 90pc is jpeg. As for the batteries they will go flat quite quickly if you leave back screen on all the time, i look thru the external viewfinder that I bought second hand from ebay to compose the shot, then i set the screen to show the image for about a second to see the shot was taken. I will never leave my ricoh's in the cupboard collecting dust because I enjoy using too much. Too many people are so busy picking on the negatives of the camera they have and forever chasing the perfect camera, I bet years ago people with their leicas and others just got on with what the camera supposed to do and that is to take photos.
Just considering this camera, and this was helpful with good insights.
I have similar thoughts about the GRIII... most of all I find the menus weird and difficult to understand. There are a couple of videos on RUclips by a Ricoh expert where while reviewing the menus he finds it difficult to explain those specific menus that I don't understand.
Yes it is indeed a funny one. Thanks for the comment
@@IanSnape You're welcome! Congratulations for your interesting and illustrating videos! Greetings from a Mexican photographer residing in Canada. 📸
Sensor dust on the GR line is a product of pocket lint & crud; there are preventive steps that one can take to capitalize on “pocketability”. If you can’t get past the need for a viewfinder then clearly this camera won’t work for you. The Ricoh’s are for those who aren’t bothered by constraints and can see and appreciate the design merits of the GR cameras. The GR is a niche product that speaks to street photographers who can’t afford a Leica (and no, I am not putting the GR in the same quality category as a manually focusing Leica however they do have a similar vibe).
Paying so much money for a pocket camera that will collect dust on the sensor is nonsense unless you like to spend money. It is not the only pocket camera that exists. And there are cheaper ones where you can clean the sensor yourself. In the end, it will not be the camera that determines if the photo is good or not.
My everyday camera is the GR II. Not sure how many People needed a smaller body and the price to pay for that slightly smaller body was huge ie smaller body , downgraded ergonomics with no dedicated back focus button or one press auto exposure in manual mode , no 4/3 ratio , no built in flash ...
For me having done away with the 4.3 ratio is a deal breaker
I wish Sony would do something like the GR series. Putting an APS-C in a slightly bigger RX100 body.
Size is a big deal for me. All I want is a camera that I can carry around and it must be better than a phone. The other choice I have is the ZV-1 or RX100 but I want a big sensor. sigh...
How about Sony ZV-E10? Almost the same size with crop sensor..
@@m11kan it's too big for me and it will be even bigger with a good lens.
Cameras serve different purposes. No camera will fill your style alone.
I'm not sure I could ever sell my GRiii, but I have similar gripes about it, especially the autofocus. Only thing I would add is the problem with the rear dial. It is very unreliable, I really wish it was a D pad.
Nice compact design camera of ricoh gr iii but still like what you've said it is dust magnet camera 😅 i sold mine also but I love the image quality
A camera with incredible image quality, in 28 and 40 versions, with unique functions but, but... expensive and special to collect dust in sensor. Unacceptable for a camera of that price. I distrust any camera that does not show me the sensor. So far no manufacturer guarantees that the sensor does not have to be cleaned. Luckily there are many camera options that allow you to clean the sensor if you need without disassembling the entire camera and also allow you to change lenses. If this camera was 1/3 of the current price, maybe I could be tempted. I prefer to go for some Fuji XE, X70 X-Pro1, M43, Pentax Q or even Samsung Mini NX. Why fanaticize with a only camera and so expensive? it's just a tool.
My man is making the hardest decision of his life in that thumbnail, not deciding to sell a camera. Lol
I bought the GR3 Street last September and had under 300 shots. Sold recently for a bargain with added accessories ( OG ). Regretting a little but the cons outweighs the pros so i am consoled.
Smartphone is the best nowadays for street.
exactly the same issues as mine, but my Ricoh is battered ,not worth selling it, sending it back in for the third time for sensor cleaning.
It's ridiculous for a camera with that price, almost a scam I'd say.
This video was right on.
I have fujifilm x-t100 with viltrox 33/f1.4 and 85/f1.8 and these are amazing lenses. But most of time it stays at home because I’m too lazy to take it with me. I also tried Fuji x100v and wasn’t impressed at all. Autofocus is pretty unusable in low light. Also i like the look of Ricoh images better than Fuji. It’s more natural. Couple days ago I bought Ricoh iiix and I’m impressed. It’s really sad that it doesn’t have the flash like first version of GR because i used fill flash outside all the time when I’m taking photos of my family.
Hmmmm.. had every Ricoh GR from the film camera up to the GR3... I even sold all my DSLR s and accessories many years ago as the GR became the only camera I needed .. however my relationship with these cameras ended about 14 months ago due to dust on the sensor and nobody willing to repair / clean the camera sensor .. I miss it , and i could curse Ricoh .. £800 and an unusable camera .. I'll never buy another Ricoh ... I now use a Fuji x100f .. which I love .. the Fuji is a beautiful camera to use . I miss the snap focus on the Ricoh but not enough to go and spend a massive amount ov money on another one that could fxxk up within hours / days or months of purchase.. I was always careful with my cameras ... Too expensive and prone to dust , Ricoh sadly lost me to Fuji ..
Yes I agree with these points and like you I do miss snap focus, such a great feature to have on the streets
It's ridiculous for a camera with that price, almost a scam I'd say. I'm sorry about what happened to you but thanks to people who shared their experience, including a friend, I would never buy this camera.
What's the accent? Jamaican maybe? 🤔
I sold my GR III some weeks ago,. I agree wirh you in all your points, but I would not really need a viewfunder. Instead I would lobe to see a flippscreen.
Thanks for watching. Yes flippy screen would be great also but would be interesting to see how they would do that and keep the size compact
I don’t use mine much… but when I do, there’s no other camera that fills the niche it does. Nothing else has that image quality, small size and IS.
If I’m going out to take photos primarily, then I’ll usually take my Sony full frame gear - but if I’m travelling super light the Ricoh is a lot more inconspicuous.
Just use a recent smartphone!
This is what boredom and nitpicking looks like, folks.
Great comment
need the cash?
You could have just passed it to your old mate Steve D..... but ohhh no. You have to go and sell it. 😄
Gutted.
Sorry Steve, i totally forgot we had this deal in place!
@@IanSnape I'll live. 👊🖐📷😎👍
Secondo me me non è la gr3 che non fa per te. Secondo me non fa per te il genere Street.
In my opinion you were wrong to sell it, because it is a camera that has unique features of its kind. You could keep it and get another one with interchangeable lenses and then use them together according to the situation.
tylne kółko nastaw jest do dupy. Raz naprawione na gwarancji znowu zaczyna szwankować przy chłodnej pogodzie.
It's expensive for that limited functionality. rather go for a fujifilm camera
This camera series is so fragile I can't see myself buying another one.
Your reasons to sell are ridiculous. If you need money you should sell your drug addict girlfriend and keep the RICOH GRiii camera. Just a suggestion!!