Most important: stay true to the original design. Don’t listen to people, who want more buttons, more place etc. Only a flash could come back. Better AF, higher quality controls, no more wobbly wheels.
Personally, I'd have hoped to see a Ricoh GRIV that looked like the Ricoh GR1v from the film era, with a viewfinder and built-in flash, without it being any bigger. It's not the same technology, of course, but I'd hope one day to see a digital version of this camera.
Samuel: Hey Ricoh, I have this viewfinder idea, can I pitch it quickly Ricoh: no Samuel: ok fine, your loss, I will put a camera in my garden and pitch it to my RUclips friends, ball is in your corner now
Videos like this are how cameras can be developed according to the requirements of the users. It’s how Fuji gained huge market share, because they listened to us requesting cameras that operated like analog cameras, instead of computers ... Chiswick Cameras London, were a party to this feedback.
I had a GR3 and loved it for its size and image quality. But the lack of reliability (toggle wheel, blackouts et al) and sensor dust issue made me finally part with it. Still waiting for a simple, small and high quality camera. Bluetooth connected EVF is a cool idea, but the tech and battery required might make it too large. Greetings from Berlin!
I want to say a couple of things dear Samuel. First, I love the Gr III and really look forward to get the new Ricoh Gr IV. Secondly, finally i understand why people complain about dust and lens issues because i have been struggling with repair services in the us with my ricoh gr iii. It´s been like two months and they have not been able to fix the camera. In the meantime i just hope the new ricoh gr iv to be more reliable when thinking about construction and of course after sales repair services.
Samuel, on your suggestion on 700 € price tag for GR EVF - what are you smoking? Just to put the EVF in proportions to camera price, in 2015 I paid for my brand new GRII 600 €... Even compared to current GRIII price of 1200 € -> the EVF is ca. 60% of the camera + lens price, way too much. The Leica Visoflex OVF price is actually a very reasonable fraction compared to Leica M body + lens price.
Some great ideas Samuel , here are mine; Keep the form factor the same , No flippy screen it doesn't need it imho. Slight Resolution bump 33-45mp would be nice but also add a resolution choice i.e 24 or 45 Ditch video completely and save on the R&D , (will also remove ports that can let dust in) Improvement to button quality Best available CPU , which will help with AF etc.. Better higher ISO performance and ditch all added NR to Raw files to enable AI noise reduction.
I am here to disappoint you. Bluetooth is barely able to transmit decent audio. There is no way it transmits video signal. Also forget wifi. Just remember how you connect your phone to any camera. It's never smooth enough
But, still it's hard to buy gr3 or gr3x. Always sold out. So, I'm not sure about gr4. There is no reason to refresh it. But anyway if they would sell gr4x monochrome, I'll buy it...
It would be nice if the camera just felt SNAPPIER in every way. Instant shots and screen refresh, much better focus in low light would be amazing for me.
I’m no engineer, but I beleive EVFs use much more power that LCD screens, even though that is counter intuitive given the difference in size. Given the limited power of the GR III battery, and EVF could be a real problem for the already limited battery life. An EVF in principle would, of course, be nice in some situations.
@@mynewcolour My GX200 works great - yes, it came out in 2008 so the tech was limited but for what it does I think its nice! I switch between mu GX200 and GRII often.
I guess being old has advantages! No purchases of useless gear! I'm using old cameras that shoot film! Try ordering a roll of analog! You explain what you would like, of a camera nobody outside Rico, "may" have seen. The videos here have gone a long way, well past me! Enjoy! Bye!
1. Give buttons more positive feedback and toggle switches more resistance. 2. Bring back flash (and make it powerful) and body design of GR1 film body. 3. Phase detect AF. 4. Faster operating speeds.
YEEEEESSS to the accessory viewfinder!! I personally would LOVE an optical VF with: _ accurate framelines _ AF confirmation _ exposure information (aperture, shutter speed, iso) That's all that's needed and I would 1000% buy it if they are able to do that. Because the GR as it is is basically perfect, they don't need to change the form factor but they can still offer a very nice VF that ppl can buy if they want/need it and just leave it if they want the 'pure' GR.
I'd like to see a *decent* hotshoe mounted OVF that has a few electronic functions on it, so it's a sweet spot between performance, battery life, price, weight and features, but more useful than those basic OVFs. And a flash unit that can mount on the side, like an Olympus XA. For me, these are no-brainers. I think the best solution for an external EVF would be *compatibility* with an existing EVF, or if they just rebadged/licensed an existing EVF from Nikon/Canon etc.
the only two things that kept me away fro. this camera is that I don't have a tilt screen and the lack of weather sealing. A tilt screen as sleak as the one on x100v would be nice! External viewfinder would be nice! as you say faster prosessing would be nice! However I would never pay 700 for a viewfinder, that would probably keep me away from the camera.
- stabilize the sensor around the focus point like what nikon recently did (it seems to really work well) - simplify the menu structure (like a Q for example) - no video features required, just remove the option completely - more adjustment options for creating in camera film recipes (would be great to be able to do it on your phone, see a preview and push it to the gr) - probably not possible but a better battery would be really great. - a monochrome hdf companion version next to a regular color one (i would buy both) - a custom crop option, would like to set my own in-camera crop (together with more film recipe configuration options (yes profiles bit film recipe sounds nicer😂) it would make it fun and easy to share everywhere without additional edits on the phone.
Personally, I don't think they ever planned to release a GRIV. If they did, they would have timed it with the Fujifilm X100VI drop to meet that demand when the X100VI would be inevitably backordered for months. No rumours, nothing about it- so Pentax/Ricoh was caught with their pants down when demand for the GRIII shot up.
1. Higher aperture - like 1.7 or at least 2.0 2. Better low light capability 3. View finder 4. Flash Optional: - monochrome version - more megapixels - weather sealing
@@mosesp6200 The GRD had a much smaller sensor. That's why Micro4/3 lenses are much smaller than full frame ones. It's physics. Can't make it f2 without making the camera bigger.
An update to the externals is MANDATORY! We need a better grade of polymers or plastics utilized in the back buttons and especially on the dial. To me, the "cheapness" in the engineering of the polymers/plastics and how they are fixed to the camera is the Achilles Heel of my GR3.
In this market, it'll be easy to flip it. Look at what's happening with Fuji X100V after the X100VI was released. Just enjoy it till GRIV is announced!
Awesome! A wireless viewfinder would be awesome! Maybe a way to attach it to our glasses, like some weird AR thing. 18:08 But it'll have some type of battery, probably won't last long, unless it can be charged on the camera, I love the idea! Do it! Guess the GRIV is confirmed! lol!
They can totally do a small, quality evf. Look up the Lumix LF1, i believe its smallest camera to feature a evf, it came out years ago and with the available tech at the time they were able to make a good evf. Given todays advancements, we could see something usuable and possibly pretty impressive.
I wish they’d hurry up and release the IV. Im tired of waiting 😭 I would love to see weather sealing and a tilting/flip screen. Those are the two reasons i haven’t bought a ricoh yet. Wouldn’t mind seeing a 50m focal length GR-x variant instead of the 40mm, too. Maybe higher megapixels so when you attach their telephoto/wide angle converter, you’re still getting a 28ish megapixel image.
Most lenses get dust. Even the most expensive super duper baddest weather sealed and modern ones. That's why in the film industry, camera departments rent glasses from places such as Panavision and Arri/Zeiss as they have lens techs constantly cleaning them after projects are finished.
I recommend an UV Filter for the dust "issue" sometimes i change and clean it, without problems. Im using my GR 3 for 5 years a lot also in dusty zones like beaches etc... Its of course not a Pentax K3 or so, but even my lense protector if you switch it off were broken but its still working fine ;)
Detachable viewfinder = Great idea. Upskirt Mode = Bad idea. 😐 I know the GRiii is a great camera. But I won't spend out on one now. I'll keep my GX80 & 30mm equivalent Leica 1.7 lens. And get a GRIV as soon as it's announced. 👍
I'm not so sure about a removable OVF/EVF, part of me thinks you just want a X100. This is a different tool, respect the differences, cease with the pimping! But... I did ponder if there is scope for more GR variations. Let's call the current GR the OG, it has no WR, no flash, no EVF, but it is slim, compact and genuinely pocketable. Would a bigger and larger GR sell? Would a larger GR with a built in OVF/EVF sell well? Maybe just make more GR products and let the market decide. Maybe some are ok with larger GR's if they have a flash and WR. Maybe a larger GR with an EVF/OVF will not put people off. And there is always the OG GR if you want that. The fans seem to have no problem having multiple GR's :D I just see the tech accessory route a little ropey, I don't think cameras/brands that have went this route stick long term with those ideas, typically its a brain fart idea that they stop.
My suggestion would be. -Get rid of video capabilities. (Pointless for this camera). -Better battery life. -Tilt Screen -Better low light capabilities. -Better AF. -Better dynamic range.
For me, i will say a GR4 should solve the button issue, the form factor is perfect and get rid of the flash is great as you wont use a flash when you want to sneak in the street. What i want more from GR is better focus and performance at night The noise on high ISO is quite bad....
Great video! My concept of an ultimate GR: - add an electronic interface to the hot shoe for an external EVF with small contact pins, so the body without the EVF can look identical as the previous GR's - instead of a tilt screen, introduce an external miniature waist level(!) viefinder with high nit OLED for the hot shoe, wich sits nearly flush to the top plate - "solid state" construction with no collapsable lens barrel and internal focusing for state of the art fast AF and absolute dust and weather proof construction - full electronic shutter with high flash sync, so that no mechanical shutter is needed at all - Quad-Bayer Sensor with 50 to 100 million pixels or even more, with downsampled 20mp DNG files as standard, but possibility to "zoom" via crop - add a multi purpose ring with "focus tab" for zooming (cropping) or focusing stepless with absolute (!) values, not with relative positioning - add Pentaxes pixel shift technology with anti moire simulation, bayer pattern compensation etc. - perhaps make it a 1" sensor for even more compactness like the GR Digital - internal flash, even if it's only LED
My ideal Ricoh GR IV would have to be a proper upgrade with many new features. The new Ricoh GR Samuel is suggesting it would not be a real upgrade in my opinion. These are the main features I would like to see on the next Ricoh GR even if that would increase a bit the size of the camera which would not be a big deal for me: - 40mp sensor - new image processor with improved low light performance - a fixed compact prime lens which is already out that doesn't' suck any dust because there is no lens to retract. - new film simulations - a better compensation of highlights which is currently not so great on the Ricoh GR III - a tiny flash mostly for daytime photography - an improved manual mode which allows to change shutter speed and aperture more quickly and easily than it is now - weather sealed body. I don't care if the camera would end up being a bit bigger. Same sensor and small improvements would be a total disappointment.
Love the viewfinder idea. Would be killer for stealth street photography. Maybe one day an app will be on future AR smart glasses that allow you to see what your camera sees
They need to improve the autofocus and align with what other brands do these days. The touch focus was a nice addition to the GRIII but it still doesn't prevent from autofocus mistakes here and then. Having to rely on snap focus only is a nonsense.
I do agree with keeping megapixels the same, and that we need a better quality sensor. The low light performance is bad, and we need less noise, the noise of the sensor is ugly compared to my other cameras.
The relationship I have with my GR IIIx is love/hate, in that order. I basically agree with what you say. For those of us who have farsightedness (presbyopia) common at a certain age, the LCD screen does not have enough quality to discern the parameters of the camera, and in conditions where there is a lot of sunlight, you practically cannot see what you are photographing. I sincerely miss an optical viewfinder where I can see all the settings. In fact, I'm considering selling my Ricoh and buying a Fuji X-E3; we'll see... I like your idea of the EVF, but I will almost prefer first an OVF. Form factor is perfect. Get rid of the video capabilities or make it good. Otherwise, issues with battery, dust, flip screen, faster response, weather sealing... I can live with it. Please, Ricoh, give us a OVF and/or a removable EVF!!!
Personally I'd much prefer a built-in tilt screen over an optional viewfinder. Tilt screen means I can hold the camera at waist height and look down at the screen (just like the old TLR cameras) and nobody has a clue I'm taking a picture. I'd be happy for the camera to be a few mm deeper for this, it would still be easily pocketable. Improved autofocus, especially in low light, would also be welcome: my 5yr old Fuji X-T30 is way ahead of the Ricoh in this regard. Apart from that, keep it exactly the same, as it's a unique and brilliant camera!
If they just made the Ricoh GR4 and 4X thicker from front to back it would still be tiny, keep the same silhouette and they could make it full frame 24MP, with an f-2 lens. Man, that would even crush the Leica Q, 2, 3, Fuji X100VI. The M240 was a thick boy and people loved it and even said it was better for ergos. I don't think that measurement makes too big of a difference. I know that cameras like the Sony RX1R has made a very small camera full frame I wonder if it's possible for the GR. I'm just dreaming.
Keep it simple. Improve the buttons that are a little mushy, better battery life, and flip up screen with better contrast and resolution. I agree with the improvement of the processor to make it snappier without the long black screen, but that's it. Instead of an EVF I'd invest in a system to insert filters (ND, diffusion, etc) not in the front with the adapter that make it bulky, but in a fashion like the Canon EF to RF adapter that allows you to slip them in by the side. This way every GR would/could be ND or HDF and they still would fit in the pocket.
The EVF would certainly be cool but considering the absolutely disgusting price of the current OVF, it just wouldn't be worth buying. It would be more expensive than a Voigtlander lens for goodness sake!
1: saying that you can do without a flip screen because you know the focal length is ridiculous tbh. You can't compose anything like accurately when holding a camera above your head and pointing down, as you showed here. HCB knew 50mm VERY well, but he still looked through that little hole. 2: I don't know why people care about resolution etc on an evf for a street camera. Your eye can see the details, colours etc etc that you want perfectly clearly, and you just need the evf to then balance the composition/geometry. 3: weather sealing is a must. I've seen a fair number of reviewers talking about how their GR froze for a while, even in just humid conditions not actually being exposed to rain. To say that you use your camera in the rain and have had no issues, but then go on to say you use an umbrella is kind of daft. Really, you're not using it in the rain are you?
I think the electronic viewfinder is a very good idea, but it will fail because of the price. 1. a Ricoh already costs a lot 2. the optical viewfinder was already very expensive, how much would an electronic one cost? let's assume it's 700 euros + 1000 euros for the Ricoh = 1700 euros
An EVF would be great, although like Samuel, I'm used to using the screen on my GR3. It certainly is trickier though in bright sunshine to see what's on screen, get perfect framing and not miss small details. But using the LCD, holding it further out in front of you with your arm is useful as it means the lens gets even closer to the subject that you might not do using a viewfinder. Personally I'd prefer a built in pop up EVF like the Sony cameras, because I use the LightPix Labs FlashQ Q20 ll pretty much all the time and the trigger already uses the hotshoe.
EVF as you want would cost more than the camera itself, remember the current GV-2 mini external viewfinder cost more than 200 euros!! You forgot to mention a bigger and better battery (the current one is a joke). Also better ergonomics and 3:4 aspect ratio !!!
24mpx are many in apsc and yeah Id like more quality (bits) but that will need even more performance than mere mpx A thin silicone internal glove will protect and isolate sensor. We want also more reparabikty
If they made the Ricoh GR IV weatherproof and with a flash I’d be happy, I’d easily spend up to $1300 for a camera and repurchase every time it breaks down because I’ve bought 2 GR IIIs and they both have issues that can’t seem to be fixed for some reason. We don’t need any filters added and the firmware is fine - they updated the firmware this year and it’s not as good as last year but honestly just want the camera to be more durable and easier to handle 24/7.
Strange... I don't have that long screen blackout. The blackout is shorter than it takes me to lift my finger for the next shot. But I am using the shutter button, not the screen. Maybe that is the difference.
It's not an improvement to the camera, but something for this camera - I'd love to have software that could use the camera's processor to process raw files to help make it much easier and faster to adjust jpg settings and create recipes. Basically a software like Fujifilm X RAW Studio.
I would like full press snap to be faster. Or let us tune the speed of the full press. I can never seem to get it to work, and when it does, I've jerked my wrist. Or perhaps just let us toggle with a button snap shooting on/off. SFP currently is hard to use cos it overrides all manual controls, making it kinda useless.
would not use a removable viewfinder (your roving eye concept is a gimmick - no thanks). agree no flipscreen. it should be compact and robust - even more robust? agree 24MP is totally fine and preferable if they can do magic with dynamic range and noise in that order. that image quality enhancemeent would be better than having digital zoom which i dislike. optical viewfinder for fixed optical lens would be better (as having a viewfinder helps to stabilise the camera). weather sealing is important - a compact and also robust camera gives it value beyond the street eg for hiking and trekking and other adventurous use.
700 euros is insanity for a tilting viewfinder. As for Bluetooth connectivity it does sound cool but only if you can turn Bluetooth off. If it’s constantly looking for a signal then it’s a no go!
Very good video, it's something I also miss, a fast burst so I don't miss anything and the screen stays on during the bursts, since it turns black and I lose the frame of what I'm doing. The articulated screen is a must, really useful in certain shots so I don't have to get down on the ground. An electronic viewfinder as an accessory in a great idea, I hope they listen to you.
Most important: stay true to the original design. Don’t listen to people, who want more buttons, more place etc. Only a flash could come back. Better AF, higher quality controls, no more wobbly wheels.
GR IV confirmed. Thanks Samuel.
He is Setting the expectations lower so that there is less blame.
NO wheater sealing = NO buy
@@das.gegenmittel I totally agree with you. A new Ricoh GR with so little improvements would not get much attention.
@@RohamBroccoliahhhhh, STOP CRYING OMG
Simple : to make me buying : weather sealing + improved battery life + view finder
Personally, I'd have hoped to see a Ricoh GRIV that looked like the Ricoh GR1v from the film era, with a viewfinder and built-in flash, without it being any bigger. It's not the same technology, of course, but I'd hope one day to see a digital version of this camera.
I agree, it´s more or less like going back to the GRii design but adding the newest advancements.
I got clickbaited so hard. bravo.
the GR3 form factor is absolutely perfect! i wouldn't change it for anything... but i would love a upgrade of internals like you said.
Sometimes I feel like Sam knows something. I hope I am right 🤣. Keeping my xpro2 for now. Waiting for the next GR 🫶🏼
Samuel: Hey Ricoh, I have this viewfinder idea, can I pitch it quickly
Ricoh: no
Samuel: ok fine, your loss, I will put a camera in my garden and pitch it to my RUclips friends, ball is in your corner now
I would love a GR IV Monochrome. They've done it with the Pentax K3, so they have the ability
Indeed, monochrome please
Yessss we want monochrome 🗣
And 35mm 😢
@@wmwragg only if Sony allows it.
this would be nice only unfiltered pixels, resolution will be fabulous
Videos like this are how cameras can be developed according to the requirements of the users.
It’s how Fuji gained huge market share, because they listened to us requesting cameras that operated like analog cameras, instead of computers ...
Chiswick Cameras London, were a party to this feedback.
An easily cleaned sensor should be strongly considered...
Weather sealing is all I want. But I think Ricoh will probably put out a GR3 monochrome before they release a GR4
I had a GR3 and loved it for its size and image quality. But the lack of reliability (toggle wheel, blackouts et al) and sensor dust issue made me finally part with it. Still waiting for a simple, small and high quality camera. Bluetooth connected EVF is a cool idea, but the tech and battery required might make it too large.
Greetings from Berlin!
I want to say a couple of things dear Samuel. First, I love the Gr III and really look forward to get the new Ricoh Gr IV. Secondly, finally i understand why people complain about dust and lens issues because i have been struggling with repair services in the us with my ricoh gr iii. It´s been like two months and they have not been able to fix the camera. In the meantime i just hope the new ricoh gr iv to be more reliable when thinking about construction and of course after sales repair services.
Samuel, on your suggestion on 700 € price tag for GR EVF - what are you smoking? Just to put the EVF in proportions to camera price, in 2015 I paid for my brand new GRII 600 €... Even compared to current GRIII price of 1200 € -> the EVF is ca. 60% of the camera + lens price, way too much. The Leica Visoflex OVF price is actually a very reasonable fraction compared to Leica M body + lens price.
My big wish is faster AF, particularly in lower light (I do a lot of street night life). That and solve the dust-in camera issue.
Some great ideas Samuel , here are mine;
Keep the form factor the same , No flippy screen it doesn't need it imho.
Slight Resolution bump 33-45mp would be nice but also add a resolution choice i.e 24 or 45
Ditch video completely and save on the R&D , (will also remove ports that can let dust in)
Improvement to button quality
Best available CPU , which will help with AF etc..
Better higher ISO performance and ditch all added NR to Raw files to enable AI noise reduction.
What neck strap is this!? Ive been wanting one like yours for a while now!
Limited edition viewfinder??? God, enough with limited edition…do or don’t do!
Feels like Samuel is justifying in advance the lack of some expected features of the new GR IV…no higher pixels, no tilt screen, no weather seal 😂
😂 I am ready to be positively surprised. No idea what they doing to be honest...
I don’t need more pixels either, the 26MP sensor that is in X100V or XS-20 is great, I hope Ricoh adopt that for the next generation GR.
@@SamuelStreetlife and do you have a clue WHEN?...
@@SamuelStreetlife Where did you buy your blue neck strap? Looks amazing!
I am here to disappoint you. Bluetooth is barely able to transmit decent audio.
There is no way it transmits video signal.
Also forget wifi. Just remember how you connect your phone to any camera. It's never smooth enough
for me personally the gr (2013) body is better than the gr iii body. it has more room for my thumb hence it's much easier to handle.
Agreed 🤞🏾🤞🏾. It was perfect
But, still it's hard to buy gr3 or gr3x. Always sold out. So, I'm not sure about gr4. There is no reason to refresh it. But anyway if they would sell gr4x monochrome, I'll buy it...
Beautiful shots at the football game!
It would be nice if the camera just felt SNAPPIER in every way. Instant shots and screen refresh, much better focus in low light would be amazing for me.
I would 100% get an EVF for my GRIII if it was available, so good idea for GR IV.
The one thing it's missing is a release date.
I’m no engineer, but I beleive EVFs use much more power that LCD screens, even though that is counter intuitive given the difference in size. Given the limited power of the GR III battery, and EVF could be a real problem for the already limited battery life. An EVF in principle would, of course, be nice in some situations.
As a GR user I tried the GX100 as alternative and it was rubbish.
@@mynewcolour My GX200 works great - yes, it came out in 2008 so the tech was limited but for what it does I think its nice! I switch between mu GX200 and GRII often.
I guess being old has advantages! No purchases of useless gear! I'm using old cameras that shoot film! Try ordering a roll of analog! You explain what you would like, of a camera nobody outside Rico, "may" have seen. The videos here have gone a long way, well past me! Enjoy! Bye!
They can't even fulfill orders for the GRIII series... lol I am still for an order I put in months ago...
1. Give buttons more positive feedback and toggle switches more resistance.
2. Bring back flash (and make it powerful) and body design of GR1 film body.
3. Phase detect AF.
4. Faster operating speeds.
You probably covered this already, but what camera strap is that?
YEEEEESSS to the accessory viewfinder!! I personally would LOVE an optical VF with:
_ accurate framelines
_ AF confirmation
_ exposure information (aperture, shutter speed, iso)
That's all that's needed and I would 1000% buy it if they are able to do that.
Because the GR as it is is basically perfect, they don't need to change the form factor but they can still offer a very nice VF that ppl can buy if they want/need it and just leave it if they want the 'pure' GR.
I wish back the button for exposure compensation, this was reallly useful
Man, I want old controls and a wider body with more space between your fingers and the lens barrel just like on older GRs.
I'd like to see a *decent* hotshoe mounted OVF that has a few electronic functions on it, so it's a sweet spot between performance, battery life, price, weight and features, but more useful than those basic OVFs. And a flash unit that can mount on the side, like an Olympus XA. For me, these are no-brainers. I think the best solution for an external EVF would be *compatibility* with an existing EVF, or if they just rebadged/licensed an existing EVF from Nikon/Canon etc.
This is a push, but an F2 lens while keeping the same form factor would be phenomenal.
the only two things that kept me away fro. this camera is that I don't have a tilt screen and the lack of weather sealing.
A tilt screen as sleak as the one on x100v would be nice!
External viewfinder would be nice!
as you say faster prosessing would be nice!
However I would never pay 700 for a viewfinder, that would probably keep me away from the camera.
- stabilize the sensor around the focus point like what nikon recently did (it seems to really work well)
- simplify the menu structure (like a Q for example)
- no video features required, just remove the option completely
- more adjustment options for creating in camera film recipes (would be great to be able to do it on your phone, see a preview and push it to the gr)
- probably not possible but a better battery would be really great.
- a monochrome hdf companion version next to a regular color one (i would buy both)
- a custom crop option, would like to set my own in-camera crop (together with more film recipe configuration options (yes profiles bit film recipe sounds nicer😂) it would make it fun and easy to share everywhere without additional edits on the phone.
Personally, I don't think they ever planned to release a GRIV. If they did, they would have timed it with the Fujifilm X100VI drop to meet that demand when the X100VI would be inevitably backordered for months. No rumours, nothing about it- so Pentax/Ricoh was caught with their pants down when demand for the GRIII shot up.
1. Higher aperture - like 1.7 or at least 2.0
2. Better low light capability
3. View finder
4. Flash
Optional:
- monochrome version
- more megapixels
- weather sealing
A bigger aperture like f2 would make the camera noticeably bigger.
@@btcpyr the GR Digital had a 1.9
@@mosesp6200 GR Digital had a smaller sensor, so it's not the same. I'd take the GR III sensor over GR Digital sensor any day.
@@mosesp6200 The GRD had a much smaller sensor. That's why Micro4/3 lenses are much smaller than full frame ones. It's physics. Can't make it f2 without making the camera bigger.
@@kikflip ok, then make it a bit bigger - no problem for me 😂
An update to the externals is MANDATORY! We need a better grade of polymers or plastics utilized in the back buttons and especially on the dial. To me, the "cheapness" in the engineering of the polymers/plastics and how they are fixed to the camera is the Achilles Heel of my GR3.
IMO, the polymer/plastic is good, the textured grip on front is fantastic actually.
Smells like there's a GRIV on the way... just as I've picked up a GRIIIX FML
In this market, it'll be easy to flip it. Look at what's happening with Fuji X100V after the X100VI was released.
Just enjoy it till GRIV is announced!
Awesome!
A wireless viewfinder would be awesome! Maybe a way to attach it to our glasses, like some weird AR thing. 18:08 But it'll have some type of battery, probably won't last long, unless it can be charged on the camera, I love the idea! Do it!
Guess the GRIV is confirmed! lol!
They can totally do a small, quality evf. Look up the Lumix LF1, i believe its smallest camera to feature a evf, it came out years ago and with the available tech at the time they were able to make a good evf. Given todays advancements, we could see something usuable and possibly pretty impressive.
I wish they’d hurry up and release the IV. Im tired of waiting 😭
I would love to see weather sealing and a tilting/flip screen. Those are the two reasons i haven’t bought a ricoh yet. Wouldn’t mind seeing a 50m focal length GR-x variant instead of the 40mm, too. Maybe higher megapixels so when you attach their telephoto/wide angle converter, you’re still getting a 28ish megapixel image.
Most lenses get dust. Even the most expensive super duper baddest weather sealed and modern ones.
That's why in the film industry, camera departments rent glasses from places such as Panavision and Arri/Zeiss as they have lens techs constantly cleaning them after projects are finished.
Should I buy the GR IV or wait for the GR V guys? I really dont know.
I recommend an UV Filter for the dust "issue" sometimes i change and clean it, without problems. Im using my GR 3 for 5 years a lot also in dusty zones like beaches etc...
Its of course not a Pentax K3 or so, but even my lense protector if you switch it off were broken but its still working fine ;)
So, Ricoh won't be bringing weather sealing and more megapixels with the GR4 so they asked you to prepare people for that? 😁
Detachable viewfinder = Great idea.
Upskirt Mode = Bad idea. 😐
I know the GRiii is a great camera.
But I won't spend out on one now.
I'll keep my GX80 & 30mm equivalent Leica 1.7 lens.
And get a GRIV as soon as it's announced. 👍
Ah you got me with this clickbait!
I'm not so sure about a removable OVF/EVF, part of me thinks you just want a X100. This is a different tool, respect the differences, cease with the pimping!
But... I did ponder if there is scope for more GR variations. Let's call the current GR the OG, it has no WR, no flash, no EVF, but it is slim, compact and genuinely pocketable. Would a bigger and larger GR sell? Would a larger GR with a built in OVF/EVF sell well? Maybe just make more GR products and let the market decide. Maybe some are ok with larger GR's if they have a flash and WR. Maybe a larger GR with an EVF/OVF will not put people off. And there is always the OG GR if you want that. The fans seem to have no problem having multiple GR's :D
I just see the tech accessory route a little ropey, I don't think cameras/brands that have went this route stick long term with those ideas, typically its a brain fart idea that they stop.
The only thing that is missing is the camera itself
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Top wish:
Monochrome
Runner up wish:
Viewfinder
How about a monochrome only gr?. Bring back the tav mode. Nice work!.
My suggestion would be.
-Get rid of video capabilities. (Pointless for this camera).
-Better battery life.
-Tilt Screen
-Better low light capabilities.
-Better AF.
-Better dynamic range.
For me, i will say a GR4 should solve the button issue, the form factor is perfect and get rid of the flash is great as you wont use a flash when you want to sneak in the street. What i want more from GR is better focus and performance at night The noise on high ISO is quite bad....
Great video!
My concept of an ultimate GR:
- add an electronic interface to the hot shoe for an external EVF with small contact pins, so the body without the EVF can look identical as the previous GR's
- instead of a tilt screen, introduce an external miniature waist level(!) viefinder with high nit OLED for the hot shoe, wich sits nearly flush to the top plate
- "solid state" construction with no collapsable lens barrel and internal focusing for state of the art fast AF and absolute dust and weather proof construction
- full electronic shutter with high flash sync, so that no mechanical shutter is needed at all
- Quad-Bayer Sensor with 50 to 100 million pixels or even more, with downsampled 20mp DNG files as standard, but possibility to "zoom" via crop
- add a multi purpose ring with "focus tab" for zooming (cropping) or focusing stepless with absolute (!) values, not with relative positioning
- add Pentaxes pixel shift technology with anti moire simulation, bayer pattern compensation etc.
- perhaps make it a 1" sensor for even more compactness like the GR Digital
- internal flash, even if it's only LED
My ideal Ricoh GR IV would have to be a proper upgrade with many new features. The new Ricoh GR Samuel is suggesting it would not be a real upgrade in my opinion. These are the main features I would like to see on the next Ricoh GR even if that would increase a bit the size of the camera which would not be a big deal for me:
- 40mp sensor
- new image processor with improved low light performance
- a fixed compact prime lens which is already out that doesn't' suck any dust because there is no lens to retract.
- new film simulations
- a better compensation of highlights which is currently not so great on the Ricoh GR III
- a tiny flash mostly for daytime photography
- an improved manual mode which allows to change shutter speed and aperture more quickly and easily than it is now
- weather sealed body.
I don't care if the camera would end up being a bit bigger.
Same sensor and small improvements would be a total disappointment.
19:00 this is actually such a good idea
Love the viewfinder idea. Would be killer for stealth street photography. Maybe one day an app will be on future AR smart glasses that allow you to see what your camera sees
They need to improve the autofocus and align with what other brands do these days. The touch focus was a nice addition to the GRIII but it still doesn't prevent from autofocus mistakes here and then. Having to rely on snap focus only is a nonsense.
Ricoh GR IV Monochrome!
Love my GR3. !! Just wish I could swap out the lens for portrait. But then it’s not pocketable.
Me personally never trully believed in "dust" myth...untill the first windy day that i brought my gr III outside.
I do agree with keeping megapixels the same, and that we need a better quality sensor. The low light performance is bad, and we need less noise, the noise of the sensor is ugly compared to my other cameras.
Where the hang is the Ricoh GrIv??? It's waaaaay overdue 😁
The relationship I have with my GR IIIx is love/hate, in that order. I basically agree with what you say.
For those of us who have farsightedness (presbyopia) common at a certain age, the LCD screen does not have enough quality to discern the parameters of the camera, and in conditions where there is a lot of sunlight, you practically cannot see what you are photographing. I sincerely miss an optical viewfinder where I can see all the settings. In fact, I'm considering selling my Ricoh and buying a Fuji X-E3; we'll see...
I like your idea of the EVF, but I will almost prefer first an OVF.
Form factor is perfect. Get rid of the video capabilities or make it good. Otherwise, issues with battery, dust, flip screen, faster response, weather sealing... I can live with it.
Please, Ricoh, give us a OVF and/or a removable EVF!!!
Personally I'd much prefer a built-in tilt screen over an optional viewfinder. Tilt screen means I can hold the camera at waist height and look down at the screen (just like the old TLR cameras) and nobody has a clue I'm taking a picture. I'd be happy for the camera to be a few mm deeper for this, it would still be easily pocketable. Improved autofocus, especially in low light, would also be welcome: my 5yr old Fuji X-T30 is way ahead of the Ricoh in this regard. Apart from that, keep it exactly the same, as it's a unique and brilliant camera!
Agree! I would for sure buy an EVF for my GRs.
If they just made the Ricoh GR4 and 4X thicker from front to back it would still be tiny, keep the same silhouette and they could make it full frame 24MP, with an f-2 lens. Man, that would even crush the Leica Q, 2, 3, Fuji X100VI. The M240 was a thick boy and people loved it and even said it was better for ergos. I don't think that measurement makes too big of a difference. I know that cameras like the Sony RX1R has made a very small camera full frame I wonder if it's possible for the GR. I'm just dreaming.
Keep it simple. Improve the buttons that are a little mushy, better battery life, and flip up screen with better contrast and resolution. I agree with the improvement of the processor to make it snappier without the long black screen, but that's it. Instead of an EVF I'd invest in a system to insert filters (ND, diffusion, etc) not in the front with the adapter that make it bulky, but in a fashion like the Canon EF to RF adapter that allows you to slip them in by the side. This way every GR would/could be ND or HDF and they still would fit in the pocket.
Biggest problem for a GR with more megapixels is zone focus (snap): effective depth of field reduces if you plan to crop
The EVF would certainly be cool but considering the absolutely disgusting price of the current OVF, it just wouldn't be worth buying. It would be more expensive than a Voigtlander lens for goodness sake!
1: saying that you can do without a flip screen because you know the focal length is ridiculous tbh. You can't compose anything like accurately when holding a camera above your head and pointing down, as you showed here. HCB knew 50mm VERY well, but he still looked through that little hole.
2: I don't know why people care about resolution etc on an evf for a street camera. Your eye can see the details, colours etc etc that you want perfectly clearly, and you just need the evf to then balance the composition/geometry.
3: weather sealing is a must. I've seen a fair number of reviewers talking about how their GR froze for a while, even in just humid conditions not actually being exposed to rain. To say that you use your camera in the rain and have had no issues, but then go on to say you use an umbrella is kind of daft. Really, you're not using it in the rain are you?
I think the electronic viewfinder is a very good idea, but it will fail because of the price.
1. a Ricoh already costs a lot
2. the optical viewfinder was already very expensive, how much would an electronic one cost?
let's assume it's 700 euros + 1000 euros for the Ricoh = 1700 euros
An EVF would be great, although like Samuel, I'm used to using the screen on my GR3. It certainly is trickier though in bright sunshine to see what's on screen, get perfect framing and not miss small details. But using the LCD, holding it further out in front of you with your arm is useful as it means the lens gets even closer to the subject that you might not do using a viewfinder. Personally I'd prefer a built in pop up EVF like the Sony cameras, because I use the LightPix Labs FlashQ Q20 ll pretty much all the time and the trigger already uses the hotshoe.
EVF as you want would cost more than the camera itself, remember the current GV-2 mini external viewfinder cost more than 200 euros!! You forgot to mention a bigger and better battery (the current one is a joke). Also better ergonomics and 3:4 aspect ratio !!!
Faster shutter. And more defined shutter button. Don’t add megapixels! Not needed.
24mpx are many in apsc
and yeah Id like more quality (bits) but that will need even more performance than mere mpx
A thin silicone internal glove will protect and isolate sensor.
We want also more reparabikty
If they made the Ricoh GR IV weatherproof and with a flash I’d be happy, I’d easily spend up to $1300 for a camera and repurchase every time it breaks down because I’ve bought 2 GR IIIs and they both have issues that can’t seem to be fixed for some reason. We don’t need any filters added and the firmware is fine - they updated the firmware this year and it’s not as good as last year but honestly just want the camera to be more durable and easier to handle 24/7.
A viewfinder like the Viral shooting glasses stealing of the Olympics
Strange... I don't have that long screen blackout. The blackout is shorter than it takes me to lift my finger for the next shot. But I am using the shutter button, not the screen. Maybe that is the difference.
It's not an improvement to the camera, but something for this camera - I'd love to have software that could use the camera's processor to process raw files to help make it much easier and faster to adjust jpg settings and create recipes. Basically a software like Fujifilm X RAW Studio.
I would like full press snap to be faster. Or let us tune the speed of the full press. I can never seem to get it to work, and when it does, I've jerked my wrist.
Or perhaps just let us toggle with a button snap shooting on/off. SFP currently is hard to use cos it overrides all manual controls, making it kinda useless.
would not use a removable viewfinder (your roving eye concept is a gimmick - no thanks). agree no flipscreen. it should be compact and robust - even more robust? agree 24MP is totally fine and preferable if they can do magic with dynamic range and noise in that order. that image quality enhancemeent would be better than having digital zoom which i dislike. optical viewfinder for fixed optical lens would be better (as having a viewfinder helps to stabilise the camera). weather sealing is important - a compact and also robust camera gives it value beyond the street eg for hiking and trekking and other adventurous use.
Bring back the GRII body with flash. I would also love to be able to shoot in 4:3 instead of cropping in post.
I had to sell my GR111 because it was like a dust magnet. Overpriced and a certain underperformer.
Keep the file size and stabilization BUT make the camera operate faster, with better auto-focus and BSI sensor. Would be a killer camera!!!
lost my GR III in 2018, on trip to Helsinki cold Nov, it frozen and cannot focus after that, repair $300. Weather seals yes.
yea, 26-32(max)mpx with DR 16.0 ev that'd be the dream, no need for 40mpx if you're shooting photographs
Even I can get a new GR3 from the official dealer, I’m sure the GR4 is coming out soon! 😂
Listen listen new gr 4 have in new black color and 10 mgpx more then 3😂 just a joke or ….. good choice for ships
It's a thousand dollar camera...all we're asking for is better weather sealing...
700 euros is insanity for a tilting viewfinder. As for Bluetooth connectivity it does sound cool but only if you can turn Bluetooth off. If it’s constantly looking for a signal then it’s a no go!
Wireless VF: Bluetooth is still too slow, you still can’t use Bluetooth for in-ear monitoring, because of the lag.
Finger crossed Samuel is going to ask for dust sealing
weather sealing maybe ?
EVF is super battery-hungry though. I just hope the new GR is weather-sealed and has a burst mode
Very good video, it's something I also miss, a fast burst so I don't miss anything and the screen stays on during the bursts, since it turns black and I lose the frame of what I'm doing. The articulated screen is a must, really useful in certain shots so I don't have to get down on the ground. An electronic viewfinder as an accessory in a great idea, I hope they listen to you.
Your viewfinder idea is FIRE. That would be incredible. And I know it'd be possible. Are they innovative enough to try something like that though....?