Definitely respect for not naming the shop that did the crap work, better for the engine owner to share that. Now I have to say I appreciate the complete walk thru on the problems you found. In some ways it was a blessing that the crank wheels were not even squared off or true, since that could have lead to missing the problem with the crank pin... On a personal note, I do hope you made it through the storms, I seen you were getting about 88mph winds (at the race track by you)... we got hit the other day and I spent about 8hrs cutting up the trees in my yard that got broken. Luckily we only lost power for 2 days and no house damage.
The owner was smart to have the work checked out, some very expensive damage would have occurred if the engine was run with those flywheels like that. We dodged the bullets in the last batches of storms, all is safe here. Thank You for asking...
you know my 5 yr. old grandson is pretty good with a hammer, he's already taken out 3 tv's! but i'm willing to bet, that he could've got that runout a schmidge closer than that, and i'm not even kidding you guys!
If I'm having outside work done by any shop the first thing I do is thoroughly clean my parts before shipping them off. That crank pin error is pretty egregious.
I’ve probably had 300 Harleys & British bikes run through my hands. I moved to Vegas from New York. If I ever needed something done. I had to ship it back to New York. Smitty
There's got to be more to this story!.. I find this to be highly unlikely by anyone who's even worked on one Harley crank before, never mind someone who's been at it for years!
The evidence shown in this video seems to accurately support a quote attributed to Albert Einstein wherein he stated " The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." I wonder what the engine owner was charged in the first instance and does he have any recourse to seek compensation now?
I didn't ask what he paid for the work and he didn't say. I'd expect the guy who did the work would offer up some lame excuses and say it was good when it left his shop. It would be a hard case to prove...
for that kind of misalignment, that crate would need to be dropped off a cliff, lol. if it had shown reasonable gross alignment, and about half the dial jump, maybe, especially if it showed "squeeze" or "spread". but it showed clocking on the rod journal. that, assuming anywhere near proper assembly torque, requires SERIOUS oomph (like a whack that would shatter a skull). the crate would HAVE to show evidence, never mind the soft parts in there too
Ohh, Ironheads are so unreliable (wonder why). After many years I found the front wheel of my bike jumping off the ground when the engine ran. I found my flywheels out by about an an eighth of an inch and sent my stuff to a famous guy in Colorado. When I got my engine back the flywheels were .035 out and all the passageways in the motor were filled with blast media. He said he was the cheapest but I had to have everything redone by a competent machinist. Lack of integrity is the most expensive thing you can buy.
I've been in three motors after the infamous dragon man had "rebuilt" them. New parts on the ticket, used parts found. One missing the spacer between the sprocket shaft bearing on an alternator shovel. A pan head whose heads was full of grit and had never seen the solvent tank. Last an ironhead with case repair welds that leaked and looked like a drunken pigeon did them. Cases misaligned so badly the transmission would barely rotate.
@@IronHeadCycle In my defense I would say that the fact that he was the cheapest wasn't really an enticement. At that point I had been to the local Harley Boutiques and they had demonstrated how clueless they were. I had seen a couple of Tatro videos and determined I would not want him to work on my stuff and I could not think of anyone else. My own ignorance should not be understated. Although I had grown up in Iowa/Neb, I had spent 20 yrs out of the country raising a family and chasing a career so, back again, I was out of touch with the area and once I had been to the Harley places there were no other places. At least the guy in CS expressed an ability and desire. I wish I could replay our ph conversation. Where the Harley shops had no idea what to do with my 70's era machine at least I had finally found someone that could speak the language. And, as for recommendations or the reverse, there was nowhere I knew of to find that. Google wasn't much help. After I got my damaged goods back I went on a road trip to the the middle of Neb and at a now gone HD dealership I found an oldtimer genius. I paid him less than I had paid the guy in CS and got more back. That was in about 2002-2010 or so and me and the bike have been happy ever since. I have also found Butterfields in Omaha; and if there is anyone owning old iron within 300 mi of the place, you need to visit Butterfields. They are the local dealer for old iron. If you ride something older that 20 yrs your garage is a museum and you are the curator.
No need to defend yourself, you are not under attack. Believe I know how hard it is to find a competent shop these days. We've all made choices that didn't work out so well, that is how wisdom is acquired.
Definitely respect for not naming the shop that did the crap work, better for the engine owner to share that. Now I have to say I appreciate the complete walk thru on the problems you found. In some ways it was a blessing that the crank wheels were not even squared off or true, since that could have lead to missing the problem with the crank pin... On a personal note, I do hope you made it through the storms, I seen you were getting about 88mph winds (at the race track by you)... we got hit the other day and I spent about 8hrs cutting up the trees in my yard that got broken. Luckily we only lost power for 2 days and no house damage.
The owner was smart to have the work checked out, some very expensive damage would have occurred if the engine was run with those flywheels like that.
We dodged the bullets in the last batches of storms, all is safe here. Thank You for asking...
Thanks for sharing this information with us.
You bet!
Great info! U just saved an engine some serious damage!
Thank You!!!
For love of the motor !
Oddly enough, I really feel sorry for the engines....
Dragonman?
Thanks for another great video!
Thank You!!!
Unreal! That thing would have exploded through the crank cases within a few miles I expect!
How do these shops stay in business?!
Good video! Cheers
Good question!
you know my 5 yr. old grandson is pretty good with a hammer, he's already taken out 3 tv's! but i'm willing to bet, that he could've got that runout a schmidge closer than that, and i'm not even kidding you guys!
Only if the crankpin nuts weren't tight.
If I'm having outside work done by any shop the first thing I do is thoroughly clean my parts before shipping them off. That crank pin error is pretty egregious.
Having the parts mostly clean really makes the work easier, I'm sure your shop of choice really appreciates it.
I’ve probably had 300 Harleys & British bikes run through my hands. I moved to Vegas from New York. If I ever needed something done. I had to ship it back to New York. Smitty
JUST DON'T GO BOYCOTT THE MACHINE SHOPPE PUTZ. THE NERVE OF SUMM PEOPLE.STAY STRONG.
There's got to be more to this story!.. I find this to be highly unlikely by anyone who's even worked on one Harley crank before, never mind someone who's been at it for years!
If there is, I'd like to know it!
Is the keyway absolutely necessary ???? If the oil hole was aligned without it ????
Strictly speaking, probably not...
The evidence shown in this video seems to accurately support a quote attributed to Albert Einstein wherein he stated " The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
I wonder what the engine owner was charged in the first instance and does he have any recourse to seek compensation now?
I didn't ask what he paid for the work and he didn't say. I'd expect the guy who did the work would offer up some lame excuses and say it was good when it left his shop. It would be a hard case to prove...
How do I send you a email about work I was told the casing was shot I want to see what you think
Use this link to email me: www.ironheadcycle.com/pages/contact.html
I often wonder when shipping , dropping the container , would cause misalignment ?
for that kind of misalignment, that crate would need to be dropped off a cliff, lol. if it had shown reasonable gross alignment, and about half the dial jump, maybe, especially if it showed "squeeze" or "spread". but it showed clocking on the rod journal. that, assuming anywhere near proper assembly torque, requires SERIOUS oomph (like a whack that would shatter a skull). the crate would HAVE to show evidence, never mind the soft parts in there too
I agree.
Only if the crankpin nuts were loose...
Jesus what a mess
Yes it was!
WTF? How does someone run a business doing shoddy work like that?
it's why he left new york in a hurry
✌🙂✌
Ohh, Ironheads are so unreliable (wonder why). After many years I found the front wheel of my bike jumping off the ground when the engine ran. I found my flywheels out by about an an eighth of an inch and sent my stuff to a famous guy in Colorado. When I got my engine back the flywheels were .035 out and all the passageways in the motor were filled with blast media. He said he was the cheapest but I had to have everything redone by a competent machinist. Lack of integrity is the most expensive thing you can buy.
I've been in three motors after the infamous dragon man had "rebuilt" them. New parts on the ticket, used parts found. One missing the spacer between the sprocket shaft bearing on an alternator shovel. A pan head whose heads was full of grit and had never seen the solvent tank. Last an ironhead with case repair welds that leaked and looked like a drunken pigeon did them. Cases misaligned so badly the transmission would barely rotate.
"He said he was the cheapest," what else is there to say???
@@IronHeadCycle In my defense I would say that the fact that he was the cheapest wasn't really an enticement. At that point I had been to the local Harley Boutiques and they had demonstrated how clueless they were. I had seen a couple of Tatro videos and determined I would not want him to work on my stuff and I could not think of anyone else. My own ignorance should not be understated.
Although I had grown up in Iowa/Neb, I had spent 20 yrs out of the country raising a family and chasing a career so, back again, I was out of touch with the area and once I had been to the Harley places there were no other places. At least the guy in CS expressed an ability and desire. I wish I could replay our ph conversation. Where the Harley shops had no idea what to do with my 70's era machine at least I had finally found someone that could speak the language. And, as for recommendations or the reverse, there was nowhere I knew of to find that. Google wasn't much help.
After I got my damaged goods back I went on a road trip to the the middle of Neb and at a now gone HD dealership I found an oldtimer genius. I paid him less than I had paid the guy in CS and got more back. That was in about 2002-2010 or so and me and the bike have been happy ever since. I have also found Butterfields in Omaha; and if there is anyone owning old iron within 300 mi of the place, you need to visit Butterfields. They are the local dealer for old iron. If you ride something older that 20 yrs your garage is a museum and you are the curator.
No need to defend yourself, you are not under attack. Believe I know how hard it is to find a competent shop these days. We've all made choices that didn't work out so well, that is how wisdom is acquired.
dragonman?
my thoughts too
My guess as well
funny how many of us think alike here
And he hasn’t said it’s not 😂
It's not being denied.....