Why Can't Man City Fill Their Stadium?
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Following the high octane clash between Man City and RB Leipzig in the Champions League that ended with 9 goals, Pep Guardiola called out the fans for their lack of attendance.
And there were a lot of empty seats, but why?
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#MCFC #ManCity #UCL
This is why the Newcastle owners should just renovate St James Park rather than building a huge stadium from scratch. The current capacity is just fine, you don’t want a half empty stadium when you play Blackpool in the League Cup.
it's the only top-level club in the city so I feel like the attendance will stay pretty high even with a big stadium
City actually got the Etihad years before the takeover though
Really? They want to tear down a perfectly good stadium?
Yeah, you have experience of that at City.
The issue with that is it's still a lot easier said than done. Unless you're going to renovate 100% internally and keep the current structure of SJP, there isn't a whole lot you can do. On the two sides that are at the lower level, one backs onto listed housing so is pretty much a no go, and the other backs onto land that was recently sold by Mike Ashley and had plans approved by the council for offices and flats. So eventually a move probably will have to happen, just to be on controlled land
I don't support City, I'm a United fan but the main factor hasn't been addressed here. When you consider the cost of of a ticket for you and maybe your son, getting to the ground and then paying for something to eat doing this twice in a week is beyond most people. Football supporters spend a lot of their disposable income supporting their team, but clubs are milking them dry.
i’m a league of ireland fan. a home day costs about 25 euros, ticket, food and drink, then bus home.
Paid £70 for Newcastle game ...for 2 tickets.....that's ain't fortune ....and stadium was packed
I don't see those reasons affecting United. City does not have the tourists to fill in the void when locals can't go.
@@martussfrank3903 can't it be prohibitively difficult or expensive for the average tourist to attend a Premier League game for a major club as the focus is of course locals? I'm sure plenty of people would love the chance to go, even as an Arsenal fan visiting England soon I'd happily watch a team I despise while I'm in town, I find that bit about tourist attendance quite odd.
I pay 10euros for a Frankfurt standing home ticket.
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Even RUclips itself is recognising.
Thought this was a fake account
Could you do a video on why Brazil doesn’t export coaches in the same way Argentina does?
I always wondered why that is
Wait yeah good point
Cosches in Brazil and Mexico get paid REALLY WELL i contrast to other countries in the west and south
@@AGCcachanilla still not compared with what they could get paid in Europe
Moreover why doesn’t any of them dream of winning the champions league if money is the only thing that matters?
I think there are parallels between big footballing nations France -Italy and Brazil -Argentina.. France and Brazil have the better player talent pools.. But Argentina and Italy have the better coach talent pools. There is probably a reason why this is a thing
@@caio5987 Winning the CL is nothing to a SA coach compared to winning the libertadores, that solidifies you as a top coach
This was surprisingly more objective than I expected. Take this like.
You expected a lack of objectivity from an information channel?
@@Snookbone honestly yeah. theres a lot of anti-man city hate for no real reason
You never watched Tifo, have you?
Because City owners paid for this PR video.
@@Snookbone TalkSport is an information service, and it would not be this objective, as an example.
if they're getting more than 90% of their fans in, that's a win in my books
The average attendance of the prem this season is 95% and city is averaging that this season
It depends on how much they charge for their tickets. Talking about crowd attendance without the price involved means nothing. The attendance depends on the price. But if you are saying the money brought in from selling the same capacity as another club is less than that other club then that means people value city's tickets less and so city can only sell them at cheaper prices to get people in
@@atukyle6098 SO IS YOUR MUM
@@peteypower3308 *you're
@@buddy_lazer2994 "so is you are mum" makes no sense, lol.
there speed of success is faster then there hardcore fan base increasing
Spot on. But bigger picture includes ticket prices, the regularity of fixtures every 3 days. Could take another decade to outreach masses, because the fanbases in England have already been well established
and also due to our fans actually being from manchester and not london
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@@bigstonez shock one of the biggest clubs in the world has the ability to attract fans from outside their city😱, this cliche would make sense if United fans in Manchester didn’t outnumber city fans by at least 4:1
@@jimmyjamescomputers8585 Mate 😂
I gotta give it to tifo for the merch advert. Very creative and entertaining.
@@jamesevans2759 I think it’s fast car by tracey Chapman
It’s my new favorite song
They put Ibrahima Sangare as well
Sarcasm at its best… but i’ll check their merch out lol
It could've been an actual song. Like they could have sold it to an actual artiste. What a waste. lol
I mean since City only became good after 2008, it's not surprising that their attendance is small. Their fanbase is more targeted at the new generation so from kids to college students age range. So it would probably take a minimum of 5 years until the attendance can go up as those kids will grow up and have more freedom. And it also doesn't help that they share a city with 1 of the most storied clubs in the world and Manchester's population is only 500k compared to London which have 10 million.
True So it takes time to grow more city fab than today
I wouldn't even say they were good after 2008 even when they had Hughes pellegrini etc they weren't the best it's only pep that has bought this dominant city side
Here’s someone who knows nothing about football, and handily ignores the fact that city were far more successful than Utd up until the 70s, have the record for the highest attendance in English football and have less empty seats per game than Utd, as this video proved
@@StoutProper here's someone who knows nothing about manchester there are less city fans than man united. city are mainly supported in the stockport wythenshawe areas and even there id stay they are 50/50 at most. Not to mention your using stats from pre ww2 maine road when were talking about the etihad.
@@mancpartizan no that’s Etihad included
I think Chelsea gaining fans in the early 2000s was a sign of them being at the right place at the right time. Africa and Asia markets were just opening up to foreign football and they gained enormous fans then .. I really think outside Europe, Chelsea has lots more supporters than liverpool (less then united though) .. City need a new generation of fans to catch up
Chelsea seem to have a lot of supporters in Africa due to the success of Essien and Drogba etc. but no way do they have more supporters than Liverpool outside of Europe - a quick glance at their social media accounts would prove that.
@@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS I don’t know about Asia but I’d say in Africa they definitely do, or at least did in the 2000’s I can’t speak on now since they signed Mane and Salah
@@EnglishforFOOTBALLFANS Liverpool has lots of plastic fans. 13-20 year olds think that livpool are a winner club
The English Clubs Benefitted from the decline of italian football. Back in the 90's and early 2000's Italian teams and players are household names here in Indonesia. Chelsea got big right around the Calciopoli Scandal so they got the jackpot.
@@msgpatient7850 I remember growing up in England and hearing kids talk about the Milan derby on the school playground in the early 2000s, that would *NEVER* happen now.
I love how the animation of these videos have improved so much, both in detail and smoothness. Excellent work.
thought i was the only one that noticed
I'm sure they'll be happy you noticed their hard work
It’s just an app
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*"There's a strange bald man trying to sell me tickets"*
Hahaaa
Funniness I find in here
There's strange men trying to sell me t-shirts and coffee mugs. Weird times we live in.
@@jimmydepersis3130 lol
"People don´t understand that it can be difficult to get to a game that starts at 8pm on a Wednesday". Isn´t that the same for literally every other Champions League - playing club, yet they manage? LOL
So true 😂. Over 70,000 attend mid week games in the same city!
@@whocareswins1 Easier to get to a stadium not apart of the city tbh
Bruh if Arsenal played in the Champions league I'd quit work if I have to just to be there.
@@justicedemocrat9357 I have 2 buddies who live in Liverpool who literally changed their work schedules just so they could go to anfield to watch them play night games...Man City just doesn't have that hardcore fanbase
@@vegassav7027 i mean that’s debatable when we had 30 thousand travellers going to every game in div 3. breaking home teams attendances because of how many of us there were
98% average attendance doesn't sound like they can't fill their stadiums
Didnt you watch the video, they can fill domestic games in England, its just the ones in Europe for Champions league they find hard to afford and go to due to their domestic fanbase being from manchester which isnt a rich city its working class
@@lightcase377 not to mention that many fans boycot the champions league due to the treatment of the club by UEFA along with the dodgy decisions that City have been on the receiving end of. Most City fans I know couldn't belive City even got to the final last season and weren't dumped out by odd officiating decisions like we've seen in previous seasons.
@@ellrog5452 thats no excuse. any of the other big teams in the prem will always fill their stadium for champions league
@@anthony6800 and how many of those teams are dumped out of the competition every season due to questionable decisions from the officials and also investigated by UEFA every season? UEFA tried to ban City from the competition on insufficient evidence and urged the FA to relegate them from the Premier League 😂 on top of that, City are the only club to not have a representative on the board. Think the fans have the right to feel unwanted in the competition which is why the fans that aren't boycotting the competition completely boo over the anthem instead.
@@ellrog5452 again that’s no excuse. If it was another big club the seats would still be filled by those that decide to boycott. Many decisions have got against English teams over the years. It’s simply city don’t have many fans
I used to go with my dad to see City at Maine Road in the late 1990s when they were struggling in Division 1 and 2 (Championship and League 1, respectively to you young uns, and to those who have forgotten - seems to be a real hazard among modern football fans) and I can honestly say that Maine Road had the most electric atmosphere of any ground I have ever been to. When they were relegated to the third tier, I went to matches where they were getting sell-out crowds of 30,000+. Imagine that for a second. A 0-0 against Northampton, for example, when the club was at its lowest, and they were still bringing 30,000. They have always had a local, BIG, and fanatical fan-base. They are truly loyal. I think they are the most loyal of England's big clubs considering their ups and downs. I went to away games during that season in Division 2, and they would pack away ends and overflow into the home terraces because they were so numerous, often outnumbering the home support. They always attracted the largest crowds of the season at the clubs they visited. It is notable thing that football fans back then, less than 25 years ago, knew that City were one of the big clubs of English football, which is why they filled grounds wherever they went. The sad thing now is that the new generation of football fan knows next to nothing of football history, and less still of City's history, and how they were once revered and respected as one of the most loyal and passionate of all fan-bases. My dad was a City fan. I'm a Chesterfield fan, but because of my dad's influence, they are my second team. You're allowed a second team when it formed an important part of how you bonded with your late dad, bless him.
I went to Maine Road many times as a child and teenager, I hated the atmosphere, it was always flat compared to Old Trafford (relatives took me to both) I went to lots of games at Maine Road when there were fewer than 20,000 in, although I was brought up close to Maine Road, I ended up following Stockport County, I just got hooked on my first visit, it's hard to explain how it happens.
Different eras I guess. It was always loud and electric when I went. I've never been there with such low crowds. I had the opposite experience to you with Old Trafford being (admittedly full), but flat apart from the away end. I've been to Stockport a few times with my home town team, Chesterfield. Always a good atmosphere there. Deservedly got promoted this season.
thank you
Big respect to you for writing that and even more respect that you’re a Chesterfield fan. Up the chesterfield 👍🏻 May your dad rest in peace mate he sounded like a top blue
@@mancity_awaydays Thanks mate, I appreciate that. My dad was a loyal blue and witnessed the previous great era of the late 60s and 70s. Had some funny away day stories. He wasn't into hooliganism and was devastated once when a Sheffield Wednesday hooligan nicked his "Mancini" scarf outside Hillsborough back in the 70s. My grandma had knitted it for him and everything 🤣But yes, I'm Chesterfield, for my sins.
What!? You don't use weekday matches as excuses for other clubs 😂😂
honestly
I've been to the Etihad a number of times for weekend PL games, the stadium is always half empty and the atmosphere is terrible. I think City's owners (through shell companies) buy up a bunch of tickets to make it look like they have higher attendances than they really do on paper (plus this is a way the owners can pump money into the club without attracting UEFA scrutiny).
I’m not a City fan, but I have been to Wembley to see an FA Cup semi final because I can get tickets. I get emails every week offering me tickets to City matches. Which is great for someone who wants to watch top level football but doesn’t support top level club. I did notice when I went to Wembley, everyone around me had a Mancunian accent, I was the only 'tourist' fan.
Oh, and the scanning of the 'grasslands of Australia' line in the merch song makes my ears hurt. I like it.
I love how United fans moan at City for "having no fans" or whatever when really they just have less as most of them are actually local
@@bjdmcvxd7542 I also love how the same people who complain about glory hunters not supporting their local clubs make fun of Man City for mostly having local fans, thus meaning they naturally don't have as many as Man United or Liverpool. I actually prefer it that way as a City fan myself. I hope the club stays local and most of the fanbase is from Greater Manchester. It's better than having random glory hunters from places like London who know nothing about the club.
@@bestrafung2754 "I hope we stay unpopular for ever, I secretly love being hated."
@@19rcooper not what I said but okay. I guess you would rather your club be full of glory hunters and plastics than real fans then.
@@bestrafung2754 I don't care who my club is 'full of' you elitist arse. I want to be entertained by 22 men kicking a ball around.
It's obviously a number of reasons but I've been to a few games at the City Stadium and the atmosphere can be very quiet which might put people off. Getting to the stadium is a bit of a faff too because its so close to the city centre and traffic gets really bad around match time - more so than Old Trafford. Ultimately I think City's recent success has been far above the organic growth of the club so the fan base hasn't grown at the same rate.
The thing is though, Newcastle had 40K+ fans in the championship, while City has similar numbers in the UCL. Its definitely being a small club with little fans that came in before the oil money and bending of rules
@@imo098765 salt
@@mancityfan8055 just the truth, small club with fans that cant fill their already medium sized stadium.
There is no point arguing with the numbers, City were a small club compared to United, Barca, Real, Bayern etc. They have been injected with oil money by some sketchy means and have done brilliantly with that.
But that doesnt change the fact, City dont have the fans because the club came about in 2008. in 10 years time that stadium will be filled
@@imo098765 man city used to pack out maine road while in the 3rd division
@@imo098765 The opposite it true, City had one of the best travelling supports whilst in the lower divisions and always have had a good one. Before the take over City where not a small club they where historically more successful than the majority of PL clubs sitting 7th or 8th in the all time major honours list, and had a good support base for a club of their stature.
The stadium isn't medium sized, it ranks as the 5th largest in terms of seats in the PL only 3 thousand seats smaller than the Emirates, 5 thousand seats smaller The Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium and 3 thousand larger than Anfield. It has turned out to be a curse for the club after being gifted to them in the 2000's because it is too big for the fanbase, even Arsenal would stuggle to fill it on recent for,.
It is a myth that City are some tinpot club that are only a product of Oil money, sure they would not have the success they have today without it but they certainly would not be in the lower leagues. City where a consistent mid-table side pre-takeover and had only struggled the decade before due to the incompetence of the previous owner.
One thing video didn’t highlight is that City’s % attendance is also boosted by them constantly selling tickets at heavily discounted rates or sometimes giving them for free. United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc are getting high % attendance levels with pretty much all tickets being sold at full price.
Its united arsenal and liverpool, how is chelsea on this list, they dont get more than 30000 k
Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have the 3 most expensive ticket prices by far.
@@stephenjames227 just look look at the percentages 99.3% capacity average, googles your friend bruh
But it's not like the people coming aren't fans right
I had to pay £20 for my CL tickets, on top of that the only discounted tickets are for kids under 18.
The short answer is that they share a City with a much bigger club who have the majority of the local fanbase. Simples. The 'everyone in Manchester supports City' trope has been proven to be a lie. That's it really!
City was terrible before blood oil money came into town buying the club. Before mostly everyone rooted for United. Makes sense that tourists and the regulars come in to stadium on weekends but people have to work during the week and the tourists are away or doing other things. Plus most new fans in last 10 years do not even live in England. They are bandwagon jumping fans from other countries and do not travel to see games.
@@cactaceous Manchester United attendances have remained unaffected by the recent petrol shortages and Covid travel restrictions. This is because the majority of United support is local. The demand for tickets at Old Trafford is so high that even if you can’t make a midweek fixture - there is a fan waiting to take your ticket. With city - if there are mitigating circumstances as to why someone can’t make a game, the attendance will drop.
Lol anybody who was actually stupid enough to believe that Manchester fans are not mostly supporting united is who I really feel sorry for.
City have a small global fanbase compared to their so called stature and the fact they are mostly local based but still have a smaller local fanbase than their main rivals all adds up to why the emptyhad is what it is.
Real reason is that the normal person has been priced out of football it was a working man's sport up in till recently
That merchandise song has been stuck in my head for the last two days, along with the image of JJ's face being caressed by a skeleton hand. Thanks Tifo!
I agree that it’s only an issue in the Champions League. I also agree with Pep in that I would like to see us fill it on UCL match nights. The group is the group, but when we have PSG at home, it will be a true testament to how much our fan base actually cares about the group.
In the knockouts, it’s less of a problem, but is still a problem. The reasons why it is a problem were covered here brilliantly by Tifo, as always.
'only an issue in the champions league' You not remember playing palace I think it was in 2019/20 season and a large chunk of a home section was filled with palace fans?
@@19rcooper why do you remember such a pointless example from literally two years ago
Should be knock out every game. Then every game means something
@@sergeantawesome8959 Made me laugh.
@@19rcooper don’t know where you saw that to. Feel free to share though
Now City fans can compliment us by calling our stadium, Full Trafford. Because we always have the fewest empty seats.
"Because their fans don't like staying up at night on week nights" is the most pathetic excuse I ever thought I'd hear.
Asians reading this: *pathetic*
They're not the only club to have mid-week evening matches and yet they're the only club that use this excuse when they can't fill their stadium.
They are not the only club who plays in mid week
@@amm0998 NOT ONE TEAM IN THE PREM FILLS OUT THERE GROUND…. NOT ONE
@@fishyfish6510 People have jobs y’know not everyone has free time like you.
“you’ve got no fans” - The Wealdstone Raider
One thing Mancity are gaining rapidly in are fans overseas, not cause of big names like traditional heavyweights manu and liv, but because of the brand of football and style that Pep has introduced across all levels of man city football teams. I am an Arsenal fan but I love and respect the way Mancity plays and find myself rooting for them at times.
So then you're a Man City fan?
@@8Clips Well ive supported arsenal since I was a kid and they are a club I hold dear to my heart even through thick and thin.
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But lets just say Im rooting for Manc to win the premier league and champions league. (until the day arsenal fights for those titles)
Also glory supporters. International fans will be mostly exposed to the teams winning a lot after all.
@@dude99844 wow well arsenal are on top of the league😂
@@nam0007 yeah thats crazy haha, still can't believe it happened so quick
“The etihad has a spoooooky skeleton living in its front garden, so when fans come to visit…”
Is it Jacques de Bones, the world’s spookiest skeleton?
I dont understand how "8pm on a wednesday night" is a valid excuse for the empty seats. every other club in europe has to deal with the same things but it only seems to be a problem for manchester city.
That's why they spent the last 2-3 minutes of the videos explaining the lack of global supporters (behind Leeds) who come doing "football tourism" and the lower-than-average economic situation of Manchester, exacerbating the issues that other clubs may see.
Seem to remember 10k Geordies making it to the San siro at 8pm on a Wednesday night just fine.
@@frankdux5693 That's an occasion for them though... how many times have Newcastle been at that level in the last 20 years or so?
City seem to play the likes of Borussia Moenchengladbach every year, it's not surprising that people give these matches a miss until it gets to the knock-outs.
@@KitCurranRadioShow mate, Newcastle sell out 50k at st James park against Burton Albion at 8pm on a Tuesday night. Was that an occasion too. You make some poor excuses.
Btw, 20 years ago European competition wasn't an "occasion" or anything new to Newcastle, as they'd been playing in Europe for years.
Whereas before man citys buyout they hadn't played in Europe since the 70s or something.
But yeah, man city fans find it so very very hard to get to the stadium midweek nights 🎻.
But Newcastle can do it for Burton Albion just fine.
Mate, take it from me. When Newcastle get to the champions League again you'll never see a none sold out stadium for their home games, and they'll fill their whole allocation for away games.
@@frankdux5693 UP THE TOON
I think a lot of these are valid points, but points which also effect most of the clubs in the North of England.
If the fan base is more local, shouldn't it be much easier to get to the stadium on a week night. Compared to clubs with a higher percentage of fans who don't live close to the ground and would have to get trains late at night.
I also find the official attendance figures dubious. It's the only premier league club that you can seemingly walk up to on any march day and buy a ticket with ease.
But still. Great video as ever
you absolutely can't walk up to any game and get a ticket, only really cl group games that you can and there are definetly other premier league clubs where you can walk up and buy a ticket on match day
It's almost as if their owners are falsifying transactions to pass FFP. But wait they'd clearly never do that...
No, because the fanbase is more local, the local people are working class and don't have the money to go to three home games in the same week for example, which sometimes happens. The travelling tourists at other clubs come in separate batches for each fixture.
@@alexbriggs5577 You absolutely can do it for city and some teams lower down the league. I've done it plenty of times.
The fanbase is more local in percentage, but not in raw numbers.
It's surprising now that they didn't push for Messi. He would have solved all their club popularity problems
To me as a Wolves fan, I see Man City 'still' as a proper club, even tho many original lads have been priced out. City have always been a good club, proper fans, everyone respects them because they haven't attracted loads of glory hunting types from London, the South-east, and Ireland like Man Utd or Liverpool. Everyone else in England tends to respect City for this, and the fact they don't have all these out of towners. Lots of people just don't get it - they don't ever want to be like Man Utd or Liverpool. That doesn't mean Man Utd and Liverpool don't have great local fans cos they do, but there are just too many out of towners and tourists, and even to a smaller degree , at City too. But in most people's eyes, they retain that felling of a proper club who haven't been inflicted with brainless cockney bloggers on Sky for example.
I'm Irish and supported since the Richard dunne days, am I allowed in still? Lol
But in all seriousness, the Londoners and foreign support will swell and that's fine.
@@spa2damax i dont understand people hating on supporters not living in the Club city. How do you think that football as a game would grow? If you don't want them people to support any club of the best leagues in the world, you don't want the sport to grow.
Not sure about the point regarding people living in the city. I support Liverpool because my family are scousers. My grandad was a season ticket holder at Anfield for all of his working life, even when he moved to London, he still travelled up nearly every week. I never got any choice as to who I supported, it was Liverpool or no one. And we now in the South West. Am I “allowed” to support LFC or not according to your rules? Or does this make me a glory hunter? Bearing in mind that Liverpool hadn’t won the prem or even come close to it really when I first started supporting them which was around 2003 - I have photos of me in a kit. I have every annual still on my bookshelf, every ticket to every game I’ve ever been to on my wall (which is only 5 but I’m gonna go that many times next season)
@@Roserytemptation of course it is hard to apply a generalisation, you have good reasons and geographical links. Obviously anyone is allowed to support who they like anyway , that is why Liverpool and Man Utd have so many out of town supporters.
@@Roserytemptation plastic
I love how tifo improved their already wonderful content. Keep it coming guys, you guys are doing something special in this channel.
The problem with making a merch ad so bad is once you've had a small chuckle watching it the first time, you really can't bare to watch it again. So skip quickly to another video and you don't buy merch.
there is nothing romantic about billionaires playing football manager in real life. it doesn’t inspire anyone.
As a Chelsea season ticket holder I see all prem clubs come to the Bridge and also occasionally travel. The whole joke about City fans being poor is nonsensical and an internet phenomena created by people who have no idea of the strains caused by attending matches.
City's support is traditionally from the Greater Manchester area and parts of Lancs. They, like Chelsea, don't have a wide support across the country. But their local support is top and always produce a cracking atmosphere home and away.
👏 👏 well said my friend
That's why they have speakers built into the stadium that plays crowd noises? That's why they give out plastic flags? Or is that why they have so many catchy songs, such as, 'city, city, city' or the classic, 'c'mon city, c'mon city'?
Legends of atmosphere.
As a Mancunian I would say that not everyone lives below the poverty line, and contrary to the incorrect stereotype there are lots of Utd supporters living in Mcr too who cant afford to watch games live. Every City fan knows a Utd fan, if they dont they are not from Mcr. Its like any big city with 2 clubs.
There are also lots of smaller towns just outside and even though some have their own clubs a lot of people support Utd. more than City because historically they have always been the biggest club in the region. Plus the Etihad is situated on a busy main road with lots of buses and is closer (2 miles) to the city centre than Old Trafford is. And parking near the Etihad is relatively cheap, or free if you can walk ten minutes.
Their stadium is too big. 55k capacity is ridiculous. Compare it to Chelsea's 41k + they are also from London not Manchester which is a way bigger city. If Man City had that capacity there would be no empty seats whatsoever. Problem solved.
Spurs stadium capacity is 60K
Still it's never empty
@@Pri405 London's population is 8.3 Million, Manchesters is 553 thousand...
and its not ridiculous when its matchdays on weekends. we have a great atmosphere and its usually at 53-55k capacity. we outsung the liverpool and chelsea crowds at their stadiums this season
@@bigstonez defenetly true we were lauder at the liverpool game for sure
@@Pri405 Spurs have a very long and rich history compared to city's. That will always play a factor
@@bigstonez yeah 😄
Money can buy you players, coaches and even a few trophies but not Football fans
Then again, apparently PSG gained a lot of new plastic fans when Messi transferred.
@Jon Snow richest clubs in the world also have richer history. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Liverpool, Juventus, Milan all have really rich history. Their fan bases have grown for years and the love and support has been transferred from generation to generation. You can't even find City before 2010. They're a temporary virus soon will be removed.
That song 😍 I can't get over it, will it be in Spotify
Name of it
Your after video ads are slowly dissolving into a Neil Buchanan acid induced fever dream.
And we are all HERE. FOR. IT.
Great vid, as a ST holder at City. One gripe, your graphic of the stadium is outdated and doesn’t include the south stand third tier (which has been around over 5 years).
Still you got the point of the video, right?
@@andrzejkopalnia I never said I didn’t mate. Re-read my point
I still prefer this channel to the IRL one.
People having a pop at City for having "no fans" when we average about 55k and clubs like Real Madrid average 45k a game and Monaco average 8k. Someone online said it and then everyone just decided it was a "thing" it's nonsense tbh.
Because City ticket is one of the most cheapest out there. They don't rely on ticket sales so can afford have very cheap to gain attendance.
Barça women recently had 91k attendance for their women team game because price was very cheap and its the higher than men team gets in recent years.
Man City's Champions league games were great value for money bought tickets for 15 quid and watched the most entertaining game ever - City vs Monchengladbach which ended up in 4-2 result.
The only problem is the atmosphere, for City's supporters it is a theatre spectacle (just watching no singing, chanting etc.) German supporters on the other hand were amazing.
I heard Chris Wilder talk about this shortly after Pep's remarks and I have to say that he really seems to understand Man City.
He talked about how the clubs fan base is more similar to the likes of Sheffield United rather than big clubs. He said he understands why the fan base hates UEFA and that he went to Maine Road when we were in 3rd division and was surprised by the atmosphere
I doubt you are a City fan otherwise you would know that their stadium was Maine Road not Main Road.
@@christopherpatefield6150 Lol, it's just a typo, lad. Although I did start supporting City the first year in the CoMS so MR is before my time
@@christopherpatefield6150 autocorrect is a thing
lets not beat around the bush here the issue is not enough fans..what a surprise
Fake news EPL games are always sold out
Because form is temporary, class is permanent
united are cheats tho? most of their 12 year old fans dont know that. thats not classy at all is it
@@bigstonez
Well these 12 year olds will less likely be able to stay up to 9.45, so that doesn't explain this video's question. Woukd suggest the opposite.
@@bigstonez please expand...and what do mean by 12 year old .. the last time United won the UCL was 2008 and that's well over 13 years...and premier league too they haven't even come close since van gaal took charge...
These 12 year olds are not glory hunters like the city fans... if at all they are 12 year old .Rather they love the club cause for the passion....
And in the end even if you look at the youth system..city is still behind the bigger clubs and even the likes of the Leeds Southampton and Leicester. The once in a blue moon talent like Phil Foden and that's about it...
And controversy .. name one controversy as major as city violating the uefa financial fair play...and inorder to be successful you don't need to the good person...you have to shrewd and clever...
@@speeddemon2901 you think those fans that support united support united cuz they were ever bad? when they started supporting them they were a massive team, just because theyre bad now doesnt mean they werent glory hunters when they started supporting.
as for controversy, united were massive cheats in the 1900s chelsea also had a transfer ban in recent memory? super league which ur owners partook in is also a controversy.
as for youth? city produce really good players? giggs and sancho (who is a chelsea fan lol) both went to united? foden, palmer, delap, mcatee, esbrand, mbete, all are first team candidates rn.
@@speeddemon2901 The highest attendance for a football match at Old Trafford was Wolves v Grimsby lol, it was a pleasure to destroy you post.
One of my clients in work is a Man City fan, season ticket holder, I asked him how he managed to get it, he looked at me confused, he said he just bought it, I think he was offended and assumed I was implying he couldn't afford it. However, the reason I asked was because if you support Liverpool like me and you want a season ticket, then you got into a queue of about 25,000 and it takes roughly 20-30 years to get your season ticket, he genuinely couldn't believe it when I told him, he told me he didn't even have to wait, he just ordered his online and got it in time for the next game, which I literally couldn't believe 🤣
People who pass away or can't make it to the games anymore just give/sell their season ticket to a family member or friend, this is why you have to wait so long as a Liverpool fan, it really isn't fair.
Liverpool have 25,000 ST holders, man city have 40,000. That's why Liverpool have a waiting list and they won't change anything because they can make more money selling over priced tickets to corporate and so on.
I've been a City fan since my Dad started taking me to matches in the 90s. I can't defend empty seats. All I can say is why I don't go anymore... I cant afford it. £50 - £60 quid is a bit steep for me. For a few years me and my family mainly went to cup or europe games but now we have our own lives and find it hard to make time to go together. Also, the clear fact that the Etihad is quite simply not the same as Maine Road. That ground had character.
Seeing the Camp Nou though it looks way worse in attendance than it was last year. It's like D teir almost getting relegated attendance.
Lol.. And here we are in India, watching games starting at 1am while we need to reach work the next morning at 8..
When the game finishes, you can just turn off and go to sleep. I’ve been to midweek games where I haven’t got home until 3am, after leaving the house about 12 hours earlier
@@Josh-cm9jw not a competition bro. Just like you, highlighting the passion for the sport. Coming from a third world country, where sports is not emphasized enough or heavily dominated by Cricket, we are here staying up all night to watch football and making time for it. Most of us don't even get to watch our favourite teams play in the stadium and can never experience the weekly atmosphere, yet we are here.. yet we believe in something to keep us going..
Tifo, we love you! But can we please get more content about teams outside of the PL? there's like a whole world out there!
as a chelsea fan i would love to have access to games. i live close enough to the ground but its so hard to get tickets as the stadium is small and so many tourists are in the ground. especially at cup games the amount of tourists is noticeable. i'm not a gatekeeper or think local fans deserve priortiy but we need to increase capacity
I can totally see that. Chelsea totally benefits from it location. The stadium is not that far from tourist area, so it wouldn't be surprised so many tourist come to see the games. With this situation i think the club need to increase the capacity to accommodate the local and tourist fans
Why don't you have a season pass if you really are a Chelsea fan.
@@blurryface6261 that's almost a grand a year and I don't have thst kind of p. And even if I had the money there is a waiting list
@@lumiere930 A fan will work 2 jobs to afford the season pass.
I don't think you should be labelling yourself as a fan. Casual follower would be more appropriate.
@@blurryface6261 well said. if you want to go you make it happen. how did a tourist get a ticket but you cant..
There are 3 reasons in my opinion:
-they dont have that many Fans, because they were not successfull in the early 2000s era, which seems to have been the most important era for football to gain fans outside of europe, especially asia and africa (just look at Arsenal, they still live just from their success in that era).
-Their new Fans are too young and the new Generation just isnt that passionate anymore about football Clubs. Kids nowadays are Fans of players like Messi or Ronaldo, they dont really are the people to watch City vs Burnley in a cold Winter night.
-The club lost its soul for the true old Fans. There is a great article from one of the onefootball Crew members (a City fan) and he talks about how the whole identity of City was being the smaller club in manchester, the underdog that upsets there big counterpart in Manchester, the Club that doesnt spend ridiculous money and still played in the highest division. After the takeover they became everything they hated and they realized one thing: bought success does not feel earned and does not bring happiness
will Newcastle fans feel the same way in future years? :(
You got a link to the article you mentioned?
@@NickVonDuke it just a sports news website where news coverage only about sports and have also have comment section where fans can write in
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you absolute melt. We still are the smaller club of Manchester, that's what's so amazing about it all. This current season Yernited have spent nearly £3Mil in the wages of just 3 players and yet still haven't been English champions in nearly a decade. They are buying and buying hard, so according to you should be winning everything and feeling bad about it. (4th Jan 2022 - 7th place sit Yernited) This city is OURS. Manchester is Blue. 28% of Yernited fans from the North West
@@stevenmacdonald9619 City has a higher portion of fans from Manchester? Why don't they go to the games then?
I just find it amusing that City supporters boo the CL anthem b/c of the FFP allegations. Like your stadium sponsor and club are run by the same people. Denial is a funny thing.
You forgot to mention that city has massively cheap tickets for most games, making it easier to fill stadium.
shut up, i live in manchester and city are more expensive than united’s in case you don’t know. people can barely afford it
I still remember seeing city in the middle of the premier league table
I still remember not seeing city in the Premier League table.
Yawnited are already a midtable,
They don't fill their stadium cause most their fans are from middle east, africa and turkey. And all of these fans will stop supporting them once another team is better again. There is no soul in city, quiet fans, no history, tons of bloodmoney and 100+ breaches of PL Rules. The club is simply unrespectable and even small fans in other places in europe don't accept this club. They are basically the psg of PL, with a close coming Newcastle united if they start spending their bloodmoney. Greetings from a fan that don't follow the premier league or any of the "5 big leagues"
1) They're sharing a city with a giant club.
2) Manchester is not London or Paris, so not as many tourists.
3) Tickets are friggin expensive.
I still remember when city played Barcelona at home. Barcelona fans sold out tickets for Manchester United stadium tour
Always cool to tour a dead club
@cows are cool 99 lol all the big clubs acquired fans in the same way
@cows are cool 99 I’m a 23 and yes I’m a City fan
@@joshallenforpresident a dead club who has more fans in your oil club’s home city. How does it feel to be this tiny?
@@t.bo.e2487 lol majority of United fans are from London tho🥶🥶 6-1 and 5-0 now? Dead club
Small clubs with small fan bases generally don’t fill their stadiums
15,000 of those empty seats are away fans that couldn't afford the tickets
Exactly. Something Tifo needed to include here (although it was more like 7.5k, not 15k)
You people are willfully ignorant if you think that nearly 1/3 of stadium capacity is reserved for away fans 🤣🤣. Try 3,000 seats.
Celtic had 50,000 fans at a 3.30pm kick off on a Tuesday against Ferencvaros. All this "they have kids to think of" is utter nonsense, City fans are part-timers sadly
People who comment saying things like "they only became successful 14 years ago which is why their crowds are small" have no idea. When we were in Division 2 in 1999 (equivalent of league 1 now) we were getting 30,000-32,000 a week at Maine Road which was only 2,000 off capacity. In 2003 when we moved to the new stadium our attendances shot up to 46,000 which was the capacity at the time. The only difference between now and then is that we now play twice as many games (in Europe etc...) and the games cost a lot more than they did as well as the fact that kick off times are all over the place, you can play virtually any night of the week, any time on the weekend and sometimes only 2 days apart. If you can supplement your fans with tourists then that's great but not all clubs can do that, it doesn't matter how great our team is, there is only so much money people can afford to spend on it.
I read a comment a few weeks ago saying someone's dad had stopped going to games a few years after the takeover because he felt the club had lost it's soul. While this is a singular case, you imagine there are many others who also followed suit.
Loser mentality, enjoys being the underdog. That's a pass for me
Wonder if he'd sell his car if the Saudis bought that particular make.
There won’t have been many. I’m from Manchester, lived here my whole life and have never heard of any people feeling this way. That’s not to say it didn’t happen but there won’t have been enough to have had a lasting impact on the size of the fan base. I bet most of those who did stop supporting due to the takeover came crawling back once they saw the success anyway.
@@ml-rl1lo Well, for United it was the case! They even founded a new club after the Glazers took over. The *FC United of Manchester!*
@@yannick245 most fc fans still support united especially these days. So it’s not the same.
It's simple: City's success rate is faster than the growth rate of their fans.
Fair point
Why go to City stadium when they can be entertained with comedy at Old Trafford?
I live in Salford and worked for the ticketing agents, I can with certainty say that about 30% of Man City match-day tickets are complementary, there is very low demand for the tickets.
Man City Catch 22 :-
> City have no fans.
> If you choose to support City you're a glory hunting plastic fan.
Yup
I always go to weekend games and I try to go to weekday games, but when its Wednesday at 8:00 it’s very difficult, mainly since I wake up early. I always watch it on BT when I can’t go, and on big games, such as PSG, I feel very tired on Thursday
One of the under the radar reasons might be their lack of charismatic leaders on the stars they have unlike other big teams in Europe. So it's harder to gain fans because of one of your players being an idol for a young person. That's probably the reason they bought Grealish.
Are you mad ? Vincent Kompany, Aquero, David Silva, Yaya Toure, KDB to name a few. It's an invalid point anyway, when I was younger watching City my idol was Shaun Wright Phillips. Kids who follow League 2 clubs have their own idols at those clubs too regardless of being unknown elsewhere in the game.
They share a city with Manchester United. Say what you will about their recent performances but United will always be a bigger club than City, and that means a larger fanbase. That is only the reality, and of course there are other reasons for the lower attendance as well.
Always? Lol.
If City keep winning like this, in 2 decades City's going to be bigger for sure. Man United aren't remotely close to winning a relevant title anytime soon and if they keep plummetting like this, the younger generations will naturally be drawn by City's success and quality football if they keep at it. Football has never been about what you did in the past, but rather about what you've been doing lately for the majority of the fans that live only in the present.
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodCityzen that's a big if
The question should be.....Why is everyone obsessed by City's attendances?..... Every City match comes under scrutiny, I've seen examples of other clubs, such as Arsenal, where there are plenty of "empty seats" even a recent PL game between United & Everton at Old Trafford had pockets of empty seats, nothing is ever mentioned about either, I've seen City games where it's obviously "full" but somebody spots a couple of empty seats on TV, zooms in and twitter's.... Emptyhad!.... Rather sad and pathetic really, City have always had a decent support throughout it's long and colourful history, and we also share a City with another certain club.....
3:17 same here... games start at 9 pm... ending at 10:45... then you need to get out of the stadium and drive home... for quite some people it's going to be past midnight... while needing to work early the day after.
I would want to see the comparison for European fill rates for clubs, not prem games, city is fine in the prem. It's the European nights where you want to compare
It really isint for epl games as most of those tickets are given out at very discounted prices will the sole purpose to increasing attendence unlike the other big sox clubs who charge at full price
@Jon Snow nah your wrong. Nothing to do with an agenda. When your own manager has to beg for supporters to come on top of the fact that the tickets are literally discounted to the brim yet you still are getting empty stands is on you
@Jon Snow yeah and journolists just perpetuate the idea with click bait like this
@Jon Snow people ask the question when the other big sic teams fill out their stadium every game. Goes to show your not a very big club. Madrid get 70k every game, and thats without discouting tickets. You lot have to beg your supporters to come, while also offering the lowest tickets out of the big six. Theres no agenda, your fanbase is just full of plastics
@@Raggsy_The_Wire nah. This is what happens when your so used to the media praising you, when they point out facts that doesnt look good for you, you say they have an agenda agasint you 👏👏👏👏. When can you open your eyes and see how bad it is in comparison to the other big six teams. I dont see united liverpoil arsneal offering discouring ticket just to even get fans to come
Tifo finally answering the real questions
Guardiola's comments just shows how far and away he is from real life
Most Man City fans don't know who Michael Johnson, Stephen Ireland or Elano are. Most don't even know Robinho, Santa Cruz or Given used to play for them. Most haven't even heard of the original BBC of Benjani, Bojinov and Caicedo. That explains why they can't fill their stadium, their fan base literally started existing from 2012 and they haven't got enough pocket money to pay for a ticket
I also believe the media plays a big part in this whole "empty seats" nonsense(Not saying there hasnt been empty seats sometimes during smaller games). A lot of smaller media channels will post photos of the Etihad having empty seats, mainly as a way to gain attention, but in reality those photos were deliberately taken at half time (when people get drinks and stuff) or at the end of the game.
still the issues are the plastic fans. if you had royal fans, no plastic fans, surely they would come on wednesday night freely. just ask the same problem to united and liverpool fans and they would say the otherwise
Buddy , u need to do your analysis. City had fans following them everywhere in the 3rd division. They were having 30k in third division . If that doesn't prove loyalty, passion and commitment.. nothing does .. just cause you have fans shouting doesn't mean they are the most passionate fans .. I haven't seen one fan here in Manchester who's plastic ..
@@grealish2234 take away the arabs money then you'll find out.
Not a City fan (thank God) but I think the fans have been hard done to by Guardiola here. League games are full because they have a large amount of season ticket holders - people who have already paid a large sum of money to attend all of the games. As Season tickets don't cover cup games, they are an additional cost. If Pep really wants people to attend the cup games in larger numbers, lower the prices to £5 - you'll have every seat full, every game. It really is simple - a club like City don't need the matchday revenue so make the games more affordable and people will go.
City already has the cheapest ticket in the league and always discounting it.
EVERY CLUB NEEDS THE REVENUE, CITY'S IS JACKED UP BY THEIR OWNERS, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD STILL BE MILLIONS IN DEBT.
it takes time to build a proper fanbase, you cant buy fans. If City continues to play like this its just matter of time.
@stevie mondo by fans i mean true fans that will die for the club not people that get paid to attend games, but honestly i would love to get paid and watch games.
Many clubs don't fill their grounds in the group stage. Barcelona, Dortmund etc.
You really didn’t answer the question Manchester United up to the Leipzig game got nearly 300k supporters in 4 games at home.
Since all citeh fans are from
Manchester why can they not fill their ground?
It’s all down to citeh are a small club who still cannot attract the fans just look at United midweek game in a useless cup and they got 72000
I know people who have struggled to see championship sides and have gone to etihad to watch the CL instead. They said it a lot cheaper (believe they said £8 for a CL game).
So it can’t be the prices, must be the pull, smeller fanbase.
Smeller, indeed.
Lol. CL tickets cost 50 pounds dude, do your research before you claim something inaccurate.
@@trusttheprocess256 well, they bought it last minute for £8 last minute as they couldn’t get to the other game. Might have bought them from someone who got free tickets, as they love giving them away.
Truth is, City doesn’t have the same pulling power that the big clubs have.
@@jrgenb8107 Tickets increase in prices the closer it gets to the game.They propably said 80 or were lying about the prices. Even in smaller eastern european clubs you wont get anywhere near to 8 pounds for a CL Ticket.
Ucl tickets cost from 40-70 pounds depending on the type of ticket. City always have good attendance in the league but they don’t for the UCL mostly because of the group stage as There isn’t much jeopardy involved. Any football fan would look at city in any group and say they’ll be the first ones to qualify so same reason locals just choose to rather spend their money on the weekend fixtures as it gives them better worth and also flexibility.
This is a non issue that has been blown out of proportion. Also blatant misrepresentation of what Guardiola said. Rival fans mostly want to find faults with City. That's about it.
This video was unnecessary
A couple of seasons back I went to the Etihad to watch City play Liverpool in the UCL. Absolutely unbelievable game, but when it finished, I was left with the daunting task of getting back to South Manchester with 50k+ other people via the city centre. Every tram for the next hour was rammed, and most people just ended up walking the 2 or so miles until they could get a bus or taxi. Not ideal if you've got kids or elderly supporters. I reckon it took me well over 2.5 hours to get home on a Wednesday night. Perhaps running coaches to the different areas of Manchester might be one solution given where supporters are coming from/going to?
It's no different for any set of fans and the midweek fixture doesn't make a difference. Are the trams suddenly empty at the weekend?
Quoting their claimed attendance isn't really accurate either when it's visually obvious they misreport attendances regularly by including season tickets sold, even if they did not turn up. Almost every game you can see empty seats
Similar to every other club. Sometimes season ticket holders either can't or just don't want to go.
they can't fill they're stadium because they don't have any fans
Well, it may take some time to get home after a football match in such a big city. But how come that clubs in other countries do not have problems to fill even bigger stadiums. For example, Borussia Dortmund would always fill their stadium of over 80.000 people, even without the opponent's fans. They almost have a full stadium every single match, no matter if it's the Champions League, Bundesliga or domestic cup match. It's similar with most other German clubs.
Unemployment rate isn't such a big factor as we see in the poorer parts of Germany: Otherwise Schalke 04 wouldn't have such large attendences and such a huge fanbase providing the club with money (which has been carelessly burnt by the club's officials).
I think there are even more factors to that topic:
One is that a lot of fans despise the way football clubs are run in England. Therefore many of them now prefer to stay at home to watch matches or even visit clubs in other leagues (e.p. Bundesliga).
Tickets in Germany are dirt cheap though, when compared to England. Other factors do come into play though, such as fan culture, etc.
Speaking of other countries… Germany and England have the best attendance figures in the world. Compare England’s attendance figures to La liga and seria a
Should’ve signed Messi
As if they didn’t try
@@joshallenforpresident hmm… they didn’t.
It's because they don't have Ibrahim Sangare in their squad.
Why do they insist on these mental gymnastics?
The simple fact is they share the city with the biggest club in the world. Thats it.
It isn't poverty. It isn't kick off times. Every city suffers with this. Manchester isn't unique.
It's simply the fact they share the city with Manchester United. And Manchester United have by far the most fans in the city.
It's normal. Again, City should not be ashamed but they are and keep up these sad excuses.
So the only reason that place is over 80% full is because it's easy for opposing fans to buy up home tickets.
Sorry, Pep, people in Manchester are busy watching their favorite club getting slapped by Liverpool
cuz they have no fans fam
5-0.
A vudeo on Patrick Viera's Palace please!!!
As a Wigan fan, we can't even fill one side of the stadium. Still, next season, when we start to lose games again, the fans will drop off even more.
Non sense. Their ticket sales are 99% but attendance is hardly that. It’s called empty had for a reason. Wonder how much city paid for this advert.