Protection Warriors are the Best Main Tank in TBC
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- In this video, I discuss Protection Warriors in TBC and why they are the best tank for the majority of guilds in TBC, despite being considered the worst. I mainly compare protection warriors to feral druids, as prot warriors are commonly replaced by feral in many guilds.
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Our guilds kill on brutallus was with a MT warrior and our prot paladin both in full mitigation gear and the paladin was the threat buffer for our warrior
I just switched from my prot warrior to a feral tank during our sunwell progress. Was doing really well in BT/MH but turns out bears seems to have an easier time tanking brutalus, at least for my guild.
As someone who had never played wow before, I had no expectations on content difficulty and had to adapt on the spot. People around me weren’t very consistent about wether or not warrior was going to be a good pick for swp, so I prepared with what I had and focused on wowhead “brutalus bis tanking set”. Turns out it wasn’t enough even though my set was almost equivalent to what you’re currently wearing (illidan head never dropped for me, nor did that super tanky sword from MH). So I switched to a Druid I had ready, only missing some T6 which I acquired in a single BT id. Our brut attempts got a bit smoother, even though logs showed I had same overall mitigation and avoidance as my prot warrior. I really don’t know healing classes but many healers said that it’s easier to heal a bear cause he takes less spikes of damages. Or maybe we all have stepped up during that progress and both classes are equally good for swp (I agree with most of your vid regardless).
On threat, it wasn’t unusual for me to be more effective than a bear for threat generation in BT/MH, but now in swp where you must be in a very tanky set, I see that my bear is just generating more at less cost since I’m doing great even in full mit whereas my prot would have struggled with very low crit & AP. I see that prot are supposed to scale with expertise since it’s the stat that you can find on many pieces of sw gear but there’s a point where expertise becomes less and less valuable while bears, on the other hand, still scale very well with the massive amount of str and agi on their gear, plus some bonus expertise here and there that is doing a big difference since they had so little from the start.
Anyways, I still believe warrior feral pala is a great (maybe the greatest) tank composition but maybe druids have an easier time with certain raid compositions (you don’t need shamans as badly as warriors, etc.) so since it’s easier, I do understand why many people, including me, switched.
(Warrior gameplay is still far more enjoyable than bear’s though!)
There is a prot war build where you take quite a bit of pvp gear and you go deep arms for ms and other threat talents, the rest into prot. My glead swapped to it recently and has been kicking ass. Give it a go.
@@FrazierHarcrow I actually tried that build back in phase 2, with some big 1H sword for sword spec procs it was really effective. But since you rely more on gear (weapon ofc but also like you said a bit more crit so the spec runs smooth) it’s a bit harder for healers, and for hard hitting bosses I felt that I was missing most of the spec interest. I ended up gearing a bit more aggro with a standard prot impale spec.
(In dual wield on low damages bosses the threat is absolutely insane and the build is really fun to play when you’re not rage starved)
@@Corbosieu sounds fine. Try cruelty over impale since your crit is low anyways in your thiccboi gear. The %crit will net ya more threat over impale on SW Bosses. Deep prot also helps w the rage consumption as the talents can help reduce costs
@@FrazierHarcrow Oh I wasn’t saying I was prot impale for sw, I switched back to a standard build for progress, ofc there mitigation is more important than anything, especially when you taunt on feral threat :p All I was saying was despite arms prot being a nice threat spec, it has a lot of disadvantages making it difficult to play on hard hitting bosses or with average healers. In a way it’s the same problem as gearing like tsw in a guild that has twice as much killing time, it doesn’t work well.
Your rhetoric is always succinct, well structured, and with an enviable level of clarity. Despite having quit tbc in phase 1 I continue watching simply because of the quality, and this one in particular made me want to hop back onto my protection warrior like nothing else :)
Would you ever consider making videos about game design in world of warcraft or direction you would take it? I'm curious what expansion you would consider as having the best tanking balance, when rogues have been the most interesting, etc etc
I made a video on how I thought blizzard could save retail by making items interesting again like they are in classic / classic tbc.
The big thing preventing me from talking about the best expansion for tanking balance is lack of serious experience with many expansions, because I played the game very casually originally in the early expansions.
@@Zatar ohhh I'll have to go digging for that video!
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Can you make a quick guide video about Prot Warrior tanking in SWP that goes over itemization and ability rotation for each boss
"SWP Crash Course for Prot Warrior MTing"
Watching this video brings me back to the anxiety of playing a prot warrior in tbc classic launch and people expecting me to threat gen like a druid and aoe tank like a pally (shattered halls nightmares), by the end of phase 1 my guild shifted from wanting a feel good home that progs content to wanting to be hardcore parsers and took my prot tank off the roster for a feral only because the druid was able to generate more threat. This was 2 weeks before phase 2 and put me in a position of arms or out, all I could find was pugs and although I would be quickly brought to the front to MT in pugs because I knew what I was doing and was geared to the teeth with engineering as well but no guild needed a prot warrior, so I fizzled out.
Prot warrior is the American Muscle with a stick shift and Druid is the Lamborghini with an auto.
Here I am a few months before TBC on warmane onyxia again and am debating if I go again. I'm leaning towards warrior pvp and druid tank because at the end of the day, the people who appreciate the American Muscle are dwindling as much as I love the challenge(r).
I feel like this boils down to "If your prot warrior is good at his role he can compete with feral tanks who are just alright at their role." Which really just means "Take the player not the class." It's just safer to lean towards ferals. Why risk bringing in a bad prot warrior because they're useless if they're bad.
I am making the argument that good feral vs good prot, prot is better for safety / progression. Obviously you would not recruit / run with a bad prot warrior or a bad bear, but the bad bear would definitely be more tolerable.
@@Zatar Sorry, honestly the comment was more targeted at the discussion as a whole rather than a rebuttal towards you which it definitely sounds like it is. I agree with you almost completely at the end of the day.
@@Zatar So your argument is essentially that "choose a prot if you are in a bad guild that frequently wipes a lot on progression, and needs the added safety of a cooldown in order to not die". This is a terrible excuse to use a prot warrior, as while he might use that cooldown to smooth things over (which only lasts very short compared to a fight overall), you are gimping your raid's threat and doing more harm than good. Yes, allowing your raid to dish out dps faster and harder helps make the raid safer as well, because as fights become shorter there is less chance of anyone dying and healers OOMing.
This point has always been contentious, because most prot warriors are very bad. What is worse is in tbc, it was definitely the hardest class to play from a gear preparation point of view, and also top 3 hardest classes once the fight starts. Bear on the other hand is incredibly easy, meaning any comparison between warriors and bear players almost always result in the bear being played much closer to optimally.
With good healers, the Warrior can equip a lot of squishy gear and generate a lot of threat. What bears are able to do is generate high threat, while being very tanky, which would allow your guild to run less healers.
I can tell you that in my experience, while requiring more healing than a bear to accomplish this, I was able to hold threat no problem.
I also in my experience can tell you that I would never pug a warrior in TBC to take anything. Most of them gem random stats like parry and dodge, wear too much tank gear, and cannot perform the rotation.
To come full circle, I don’t think most players have ever played with a properly itemized warrior. To give some examples, while generating less threat than our bear tank, I took on average less damage in my brutallus set. In my highest threat sets, I mostly out threat bears when fighting for threat.
Considering these factors, and how big defensive cool downs can be very strong during progression, and every tier had a hard boss that spell reflection made significantly easier.
Prot Warrior has its reasons to be played, but you’re not gonna find many people wanting to give it a chance, because of how useless they are when played poorly.
@@Zatar This is a nonsensical answer. "I was able to hold threat no problem" is anecdotal evidence. We know that bears deal about 20-30% more threat in TBC, and this matters when you have dps that are threat capped, which happens a lot in TBC. As for this "With good healers, the Warrior can equip a lot of squishy gear and generate a lot of threat.", this is true for bears as well. As a bear you should run different sets, at least one for mitigation and one for threat. Sorry, but big defencive cooldowns matter for bad guilds. Even when you're assuming a good prot warrior, they just dont fit in an optimized raid. They can provide some nice debuffs, but so can dps warriors and a rogue, and at that point you might as well take the dps warrior.
In short, you cannot just compare a good prot warrior with the average bad players and bad guilds, in order to highlight strengths. If so, you have to assume a good bear or prot paladin as well, and both are better than a prot warrior in every niche.
How to hold aoe threat or threat from multiple mobs as prot warrior with a shield? I cant tank crypts and people raging in my party. Any tips?
Crypts is hard because the mobs spawn in late. Best bet is to mark skull every pack. Stun skull and focus threat on other targets. Taunt skull when stun ends
What addon is that to display gear slots and stats at bottom left ? :)
Gear slots is item rack, my previous video shows how to set that up. Text is a weak aura wago.io/tfjhmaZB4
One of the biggest areas that you have not mentioned is group composition, Party buffs are huge in TBC and a warrior position in a raid is sought-after so essentially a prot warrior is going to be taking s DPS Warriors spot where is a feral druid will happily find a home in a physical DPS group, most 25 main raids have two physical DPS groups so if you have a main tank and an off tank druid they can happily sit in each group if you have a prot warrior if he is in that group he is taking the spot of a DPS warrior
This was mentioned within the first 2 minutes of the video lol
I play all 3 tanks and my bear just outputs way more threat and takes less dmg even in Sunwell plus adding the crit to your group. Like yeah you lack the cds but take so little dmg that It's often not needed. Warriors need to gear paper thin to have 70% of my threat in my brutalus set. They are fine but def don't beat bears, I swapped from my war main In t4 cause they just weren't comparable. The big thing your forget when talking about safety is bear takes on avg 30% less damage on most fights preSunwell.
For a fight like brutallus, not having any bear would definitely be rough in terms of threat, I am mainly comparing 2 feral vs 1 feral 1 prot warrior to go with your prot pally.
Regarding warriors taking 30% more damage than bears, typically warriors pre-sunwell have much higher health than bears, but definitely take more damage in threat gear, which has low avoidance. If you don't have anyone doing thundercap, the difference between damage taken would change very fast, and especially on the several bosses that can still crush, you could even see warriors potentially taking less damage. Its really hard to say exactly how much the difference in damage taken would be, because the warrior can change their gear to cater to their raid and take less damage if threat allows. That is why I instead tried to look at the hardest bosses in tier 6 to show that warriors toolkit proves useful for the important fights.
@@Zatar I agree that Tclap is underrated but also tanked Brutalus last week without it cause our warrior was mia and we got a bear alt from an other guild member and did fine. Concerning dmg taken I'm comparing with my own warrior I ran T6 every week on both tanks and to have acceptable threat you don't really have other options than to remove some mit or force the whole raid to slow down on damage. Bear can swap gear out too being armor cap is huge mitigation wise crushes almost hits like normal hits on my warrior on top of most hit not even landing so this is why you don't really need the extra health presunwell. Can def still do all the content on a war and I did it too but like I have to put twice the work for less results. Some fight are definitely more suited to warrior and I agree that 1 of each tank is ideal for a lot of guilds that don't try to speed run but we still use bear MT and prot war OT in our guild just cause of the bear superiority in most cases on top of not really needing a group catering to it
Yeah a warrior does need a good group for threat. I prefer the warrior main tank and Druid off tank for the cat dps and easier access to b res and innervate, but if the warrior is having threat or survivability issues, it wouldn’t be worth it.
This is false, prot paladins and warriors can reach armor cap with buffs and have more avoidance than a bear in sunwell. Feral druids are overhyped, their utility is bringing damage and simplicity.
@@vsreef1042 no prot pally or war can reach armor cap unless they have imp LOH too.. armor cap for a level 73 is like 35.5k. If you're then considering brutallus stomp having even more with ancestral fortitude is beneficial for bears.
There is a lot to this discussion, comment with any factors I forgot. Some things things I did not mention:
- Innervate, it can also prevent a wipe and otherwise could be used on a mage for damage.
- Defensive stance also reducing magic damage taken being really good in sunwell.
- I didn't mention it directly, but bears generate more threat. Warriors still generate sufficient threat, but it does require proper rotation / gearing like I mentioned, where a less optimized bear would likely have much less trouble.
You can't use innervate when tanking though
You can in sunwell for every fight. There is downtime to get b rez and innervate off in all of the fights.
Bear threat is just so much better than a warrior it is INSANE. A fully mitigation geared feral Druid will still SUBSTANTIALLY out threat a fully threat geared warrior and be so much more survivable it is not even able to be discussed with human language.
@@VinceViglione This. People promoting prot warriors need to be honest about this, and not sell it as "its fine if you know what you're doing". Prot warriors lack in threat regardless of how good you are, period.
I'd say a fare comparison between bear and prot warrior is arcane mage (warrior) and warlock (bear) there dps potential is close, however; the mage costs raid resources to be able to output comparable/better dps (innervates, spriest group, mana tides) while a warlock actually generates raid resources (health stones, soul stones, curses, etc), prot warriors need the group support (feral, enh shaman, ect) to produce good threat or they have to sacrifice ALOT of mitigation for it, vs a bear has very good threat even in a more mitigation focused set, and they generate raid resources (innervate, brez, and crit buff).
really well put
Looking for that threat and crit.
hey man, love the hat. great vibes
Thank you! Is my lucky gaming hat!
@@Zatar lmao
How much crit does a prot warrior give to the melee group?
none, just attack damage
I simp for prots because I want to play kitty dps but I weep when my physical is in a group without a feral.
I was just watching your video and was thinking how helpful it would be if you made a video and showed us a good prot warrior and try to help those that are struggling to get better and improve. Even a bad video showing some mistakes that you see prot warriors do so we have the a bigger idea of the concept of "Good". I just was thinking. I am currently leveling my warrior as protection and always watch videos and ask for feedback so I can do my role efficiently. It is so much fun!!
Yeah I’m gonna continue releasing prot warrior content up until wrath
@@Zatar thanks bud! It just seems like you know your stuff and it would be great to get that knowledge from ya bud to be a better tank.
The only reason to bring a prot warrior to a raid is to not hear the DPS warriors whine about sundering and putting up thunder clap. Ferals do more threat and take less damage. Prot warriors have to take up a highly desirable spot in a completely stacked melee group to even have a chance of doing adequate threat. Ferals are actually wanted in the stacked melee group because they contribute a buff that makes it even better. Ferals can innervate and brez and do more DPS as cat when not tanking. Prot warriors only bring debuffs that DPS warriors could do also.
In BT I tanked every boss for a while as a prot warrior, and I min/maxed my gearsets and consumables for full threat or full mitigation or anywhere in between depending on how hard each boss hits. I parsed 90-95 on every boss, but even when I was doing really good we still usually had DPS really close to pulling aggro
So we let the feral tank the bosses after that (except illidan). He wore the same gear for every single boss from najentus to mother shahraz. Did his simple 3 button rotation, got mostly mediocre 70 parses as a bear tank. Still, looking at the raw numbers, he took less damage than me on every boss and did more threat, without anywhere near the same effort in playstyle or gearing.
Warriors are not the best tanks, as a class period, and anything you say otherwise is just a bunch of delusional copium. Warrior players might be better (well obviously not all of them, but the good ones have to be better to just do a halfway adequate job compared to any average druid)
We removed our prot warrior gm from the raid and replaced him with a feral druid who was physically handicapped and never looked back.
"I parsed 90-95 on every boss, but even when I was doing really good we still usually had DPS really close to pulling aggro". This right here. The video creator keeps harping about how "I play prot well, and I have no issues with threat". Which just shows that he is either lying, exaggerating, or playing with potatoes. If your dps are anywhere near competent, a prot warrior is likely to throttle them at some point, which hurts the whole raid.
warriors don't ride chickens bro
gonna help everyone out of their dream right now paladin GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Well we have wrath coming out and I'm happy to have my shitty prot warrior.
I will be enjoying the spicy comments on this video
Right out the gate, look at this mount.
Matches the hair, it was meant to be.
I tank Brut every week as a prot warrior. even though i parse very well. our bear is the only reason i can tank that fight. without him front-loading all of the threat no prot warrior can keep up to the threat generation of the warlocks/hunters on that fight. Making them a poor choice to main tank.
25:10 the real reason this video was made
As someone who raids with a skilled prot warrior and frequently discusses gearing /tactics with them.
Id take him as my main tank instead of a random bear any day of the week.
(Our protadin is a god and i feel bad for him having to farm suplementary healing gear for brutallus and felmyst when he is just so much better than our bear)
Protadins definitely can tank everything in Sunwell, we have 2x Prot Paladin and I honestly don't notice him being that squishy on Brutallus as a healer. It's just as a bear you're expected to do it I guess.
@@Kelsper yeah its just mainly our raidlead have way too much of a hard on for bears. And our bear tank even though he isnt the brightest or best, is a raidlead and guild officer, so having him "demoted" from tanking would make him angry and blabla guild drama, so no pally tanks allowed for some fights
On Brutallus, it's always the prot warrior that dies, bear tank is BIS
For me it's the opposite, Druid dies and take more dtps, and my war have never died yet. I even solotank Brutallus two times for the last 2 min and another time the last 2 min 20 sec with 14 meteor slash debuffs + stomps without shieldwall even.
@@seda6968 That's not a class issue, that's a druid issue and/or the healers that are not doing their job. SWP is a massive buff to the already great feral druids, and its no contest at that point on who has the lowest DTSP (its not warriors).
Ultimately, your argument as I have understood it, seems to be "if you've got a really good and geared prot warrior player, you can take him, it'll be fine, and the raid will likely be smoother".
Which is totally true. I'd agree with that.
Prot war doesn’t need to maintain demo shout though, as your dps warriors usually pick up the talent for it. But the rest is 100% true. A well-played prot war is amazing.
Every class is amazing if played well. This is such an empty phrase, you could as well have saved you the effort to type it out.
@@samuelhakansson6680 speak for yourself lol
@@NecDK ?
The problem for me wasn't the bear it was the paladin. Having the prot paladin be literally useless and auto attacking bosses through 3 phases is not optimal . fights like bloodboil and void reaver where you'd want 3 tanks on threat the paladin has to main tank for solid threat. In BT there was no reason for us to even run 3 tanks. The fights just aren't hard enough paladins can easily main tank all fights in bt/hyjal. I was still helping tank on mother / council / illidan as fury. Now that sunwell is out I am able to main tank since paladins are or were weakboys. Overall I agree warrior main tank works well and really doesn't have any major difference vs feral for me the big issue again is just the prot paladin not being utilized properly.
Paladins can still heal surprisingly well with a heal offset. Its not ideal, but its doable. Prot warriors on the other hand offer pretty much nothing in the OT spot.
Prot warrior has way more tools, feral is easier to play.
Is this an out of season April's Fools joke?
many other ppl already mentioned about it but you're keep saying "if good prot warr" then you also saying "average guild". If I'm a god prot warr, I would be in atleast above average guild right ? the only thing prot warr has better than feral is CDs which is you wont be using often. I dont wanna give tank to 5 sec for threat. 1 mangle with t6 bonus is enough. prot warr is just cba
the most important thing as a tank is threat tbh and warrs are the worst in tbc and will be worst in wotlk too. atleast they're good 5men tanks in lk xd
The title is "prot warriors are the best main tank in TBC". I am 19mins in and all you have said is that they are the "safest" and "good in bad guilds" and "dont compare them to bears in top guilds". These are not strong arguements for "best main tank".
In my experience good bears make more threat than good warriors. I would therefore say bears are better main tanks.
I guess the distinction is what you consider bad. I am referring to the majority of guilds, but depending on your perspective you might still consider that bad.
It sounds like you mainly value threat and on that basis I agree bears would win out. I was looking at a lot more than just threat, especially because warrior threat is still sufficient (if played decently) and extra threat does not equate to any increase in raid performance.
@@Zatar I think this is my critique of your video, you did not really lay your arguement out very well. You should have given us the criteria for what are the important attributes for a main tank first (to strengthen your arguement you would talk about survivability and versitility as being the key factors).As a dps i think the tanks main job is to make sure i can pump as hard as i like (something i have found warriors struggled with throughout TBC.
Fair criticism.
warriors are good when fights are hard. bears are good when the fights are easy.
No, bears are better regardless. Having more threat means the boss goes down a lot faster, which is good for both good guilds who dont struggle, and for mediocre guilds (because there is less time for things to go wrong, healers to go oom etc.).
I don’t think people realize that, even though feral druids generate more threat, it doesn’t matter if you are above the aggro threat cap. So if a warrior is sitting at 105% threat, it’s still the same as a Druid being at 130%.
Defensive wise, warrior has way better toolkit. Threat wise, prot war with proper group and gearing can do just fine. I’ve been playing prot war throughout the whole expansion and I never had aggro or surviving issues. I am convinced people saying prot warriors are bad, are people that either mimicking what everyone else says or never been in a group with a decent prot warrior
It’s a good point you make about threat, as long as your DPS don’t have to slow down, It doesn’t matter how big the lead is.
Word.
Warriors do throttle the raid though, and 105% is a very dangerous place to be at, because the threat buffer is too low. If you lose threat (which can very much happen with cooldown use from the dps), you will get pushed down to 90%, and if the boss is untauntable you just most likely caused several players to die and maybe even wipe the raid. 105% is also no comfortable spot to be for a dps, as they have to throttle just to be safe as a 5% margin is way too close, even 2 minutes into the fight. If you had no threat issues in TBC, it means you are playing in a mediocre guild on the lower half of the totem pole, where the dps isnt strong enough to challenge you. If you do get to play with the 95%+ parsing crowd, your warrior will hold these players back.
@@samuelhakansson6680 we killed KJ first week. Didn't even have to read the whole thing to understand you are clueless.
This is absolutely nonsense, and if you dont know it yourself, god help your guild if you ever get to call shots in raids. 105% threat lead is a very bad thing, because you are barely ahead. As anyone who has tanked a lot in these situations knows, you are just a few seconds away (or an unlucky string) away from losing threat. It throttles the raid, because good dpsers will be painfully aware how small that margin is, and often hold back a little just in case they get some nasty triple crits and the tank misses a few threat moves. You do want to be a tank coasting ahead on 105% threat, ever. If you do, you need to work on upping the number. It might fine, but having played as both the dpser and the tank in this scenario, it just comes with too much risk to be worth it, and usually forces a throttling of dps.
Prot warriors fucking blow, you didn’t have to make a whole video to cope about it dude.
About to go to bed and the last thing i see is copium in my youtube feed 🤮
Prot Warrior is very good. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t raided with a good one.
@@brandonkruse6412 I agree, I don't think teklas games has raided with a good prot warrior
They hate us because they ain't us. I make the same argument all the time but regarding threat. A warrior isnt going to outthreat a bear, but trying to make the argument that a (good) warrior can't produce adequate threat is indefensible.
The argument you posed makes no sense, because it has no context. Are we talking about 50 parses for the guild on average, or 90+ parsing dps? In the latter case, the prot warrior cannot provide "adequate threat", because prot warrior threat in this case means leaving too small of a buffer to high performing dps, causing throttling. If we're talking about 50 parsing shitters, sure, go for a prot warrior (he better be good though).
stop copium brother
so summery of video if your guild is shit and you wipe a lot prot warrior might be your choice of tank
You can have a Druid play DPS and just swap into Tank if one of the tanks die, in combat.
This topic seems to boil down to "which is best of the two worst tanks", I mean our guild are planning to go with double Prot Paladin...
¨Warrior has shield wall therefore better¨ OK buddy
This doesnt really do a good job selling prot warriors. Just makes it out to be like, Prot warriors are good, only if your in a guild full of players who dont have fingers.
Which arguably most guilds are casual dad guilds. Literally the point of the video.
Prot pally or blood dk...so much better
Agree with most of the comments on this video. Generally love your content but this one is just off. The way that warriors have to gear to survive much less generate any amount of threat at all AND survive is just nightmare quality. The biggest miss in this video is the idea that a prot warrior has to be aggressively crutched in the comp to have any chance of keeping threat with some combination of bloodlust, wind fury, the feral crit buff anyways, etc. if you put a feral in a suboptimal group (which you never would since they provide an incredible buff) they can still do everything they need to. If you do that to a prot warrior, threat is non existent.
Warrior definitely needs a group for threat and that is pretty annoying. In sunwell it is not as bad because you want to give the feral commanding shout.
Prot warriors definitely output less threat, but they still have sufficient threat to hold over the dps. In my experience, The main issue is hunters without salve that don’t feign come close but besides that other dos can’t catch up. At the end of the day, Any extra threat you have on the boss doesn’t really do anything as long as dps don’t have to slow down.
Obviously if the warrior is not gearing or playing well enough, causing all the DPS to slow down will be a big issue.
Feral was better from p1 for sure but prot war is fine
crushing literally does not matter
In guilds with weaker healers, and dps making more mistakes requiring more raid healing, warrior’s taking less damage due to being uncrushable reduces wipes.
This is especially true early in the game when bears had less armor.
@@Zatar Do wars really take less damage? Fights are going to last longer with dps having to slow down due to threat issues too. I know this is just a click bait video but still. You can't say prots better than feral in tbc lol
A decent prot warrior would mean dps don’t have to slow down. It’s not a clickbait video. I think for the average guild, the safety prot warrior brings is better than the threat and damage feral adds.
@@Zatar You have no clue. Bears, even when factoring in crushability, have more EHP (effective hit points) and take less DTPS (damage taken per second), while still also pushing out more threat. Warriors do not take less damage, thats a myth.
Hello my fellow raiders, today I have realized how selfish I have been this last year.
I have not respected that my raid spot should be a privilege that is earned not to be taken for granted, for months now I have enjoyed that regardless of my performance I will always be put in purely on the basis that we lack shamans, specifically enhancement shamans. For the early months I brazenly and foolishly went into every Raid with unenchanted gear that was filled with green rarity gems I have wasted many of members precious time with my excessive deaths, done purely for my own amusement. The time i have taken from you all will never return and for that I am sorry.
As many of you know a few months ago began to illegally fund my character through real money trading (RMT) and was subsequently banned. During those two weeks the guild was without and enhancement shaman that could have been giving party buffs that enhance both their damage and enjoyment of the game. I have since reformed, but those two week are a sin I must carry with me for the remainder of my wow days.
I would also like to apologize for my behaviour out of game. I have frequently misused the discord voice channel that is needed to communicate effectively by making suggestive sounds, that while humorous to some have caused many others great discomfort. Going forward I will respect the sanctity of our voice communications and wishes of those present. It was not my intention to create strive amongst my fellow raiders and going forward I will do my best to help foster a healthy and positive environment.
I do not expect to be forgiven for my past misconduct but I would ask the tragic family to give me one more chance to earn your trust...
DPS Warriors casting thunderclap is made up by having a feral druid's crit buff in their group. Prot warriors take more damage, cause less threat, are harder to play, need to be fed more gear, and offer nothing back to the raid for their slot. The only bonus prot warriors have, is 2 cooldowns with super long cooldowns. This is pure copium.
I think it’s more common for guilds to feed their bears, although their token has been a less competitive one in t6.
Prot Warriors in t6 used very few contested items and got many of their items from outside of raid.
As for bears taking less damage, I think that is true when looking at a typical boss melee, but in sunwell a lot of the fights work out to be better for warrior than you would expect. There is a lot of telegraphed damage that you can use cooldowns on: kalecgos enrage, stomp and felmyst corrosion. Two bosses are tauntable, which solves threat issues. You are able to reflect on muru which is really handy, and you take less magic damage from defensive stance, Which is really nice for every fight.
@@Zatar A bear's gear is extremely uncontested. T6 tokens (outside of sunwell)arcane mages don't want them, and rogues are usually only 1 of in a 25 man. The feral weapons are dedicated to ferals, (and its pretty rare to have both a bear and a cat.) and the rest of the gear for a bear tends to come from PvP.
I don’t disagree roujin, but warriors use a lot of uncontested gear as well, and in t6, they really only could make good use of early tier pants. Warriors also usually use more PVP and badge gear than bears.
sleeping on Demoralizing Shout I see
Pure COPIUM
ppl in this comment section only met shitty prot warriors... well its classic...
Good prot warriors are still worse than good bears, so the point fully stands. Prot warriors dont magically become better than bears once you get a good player.
Prot warriors can take less damage than bears. With the right gear, iron shield, 25% armor buff and SBV + defensive stance. You can hit 80% raw mitigation. Definitely can average higher than bears. Bears are capped at 75%, no matter what.
The big difference is bears threat scales as they get survival where warriors are inverse. Threat goes down as survivability goes up. It takes the right warrior to understand the gear balance to play it effectively.
Bears also scale from the fact that gemming for agility both provides less DTPS and more TPS, both of which are key stats a tank should go for. Warriors have to compromise on either of them, which is not a good thing.
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wow! I hate z2u. It‘s everywhere aye,
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i love having to try hard my ass off destroying my fingers in the process just to do 80% of a bear's performance while hes sleeping.
All in all, game is easy as fuck if you need to min max everything u already lost.
Beyond copium, holy shit
lmao
Zoomers should play retail if they care so much about speed and no strategy.
Dude got a bulwark and don’t know how to act
25 mins of cope
I’ve played both prot war and bear thru all of tbc and can honestly say bear threat is shit compared to a properly played prot war. And 5% crit isn’t as big a deal as people make it out to be. I think the lessee guilds need the bear more so for innervate and bres because they have awful kill times and are just generally bad at the game. Call it copium but this is my personal experience. Both classes geared equally and optimally.
Show your parses then, if you're gonna come in here and throw out bullshit like that, show us that you are at the top level and in a top guild where you really know what you're talking about.
6 months later, still no answer. This guy was full of shit and lying his ass off.
Prot Warrior is a lot better in Wrath than people think in Wrath. Yes, they don’t scale quite as well as Blood DK or Feral in ICC gear but I’ve seen several Warriors solo tank Lich King on buffed private servers.
They are the best off-tanks for Anub/Halion adds by far and they are the best tanks in early Wrath, especially for speed running. Your AoE threat is superior to Paladin and you that the best tank mobility.
What you lack in stamina scaling, cooldowns and the fact that ICC gives a debuff to dodge/party. Since your HP and Armor don’t scale as high as DK/Bear, you can’t make up for the lack of avoidance in endgame.
The only reason people put Paladin so high is because of Argent Defender and if that’s something you’re relying on, you probably have healing issues anyway.
sorry who asked about wotlk?
@@mastermindvideos898 because there’s just as much misinformation pertaining to Wrath as there’s been in TBC and they are merely separated by one patch