What Newts Parents Found in the Derelict!?!
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- There was more than just the dead Space Jockey, and the cargo of Xenomorph eggs on the derelict ship on LV-426. The novel, River of Pain, by Christopher Golden, tells us what Newts parents found on the alien ship. Was there an Alien Queen on board?
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Damn, i never knew there was a more in depth description of what Newt's parents saw on the ship. That Jockey upper cutting the Queen's head while being impaled was freaking cool. Well done my dude
I resent the "Engineer" we got in Prometheus and Covenant. The old expanded universe did them wayyyy better. They were neither simplistically malicious, out to get us nor incredibly dumb like what we got on screen.
@@Th0ughtf0rce then you should hate this novel because the way I read it is that it tried to retcon the Space Jockey vessel into an Engineer vessel. There are two races. The Jockeys are the Gods of the Engineers and the Engineers are slaves to the Jockeys.
SHORYUKEN!
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 NO, ONE IS THE ORIGINAL VERSION, THE OTHER IS THE NEW VERSION, ST00PID!
@@cesaru3619
More like “TIGER UPPERCUT!!”
Its interesting that they describe the ship as "cold, yet humid" considering when the nostromo crew entered 50 years ago it was "warm, yet tropical". Suggesting *something* was keeping it warm, but during the 50 year period, it stopped. Interesting
Easy, its gone over a little bit more in the original script and other media. The world is racked with volcanos, and one just so happened to be near the derelict. Lava flow has taken out alot ofit, busted the control room looking prong and poured into some of the holds, infact you can actually see some lava flow around the derelict in the DC version of the film. By that point most of the ship's aux systems were absolutely dead or near dead so as such couldn't sustain the atmosphere anymore.
@@CrashHeadroomwould explain why WY never rediscovered the craft
@@HumanHamCube exactly, probably not soon after ALIENS the craft was destroyed completely, not just by the volcanos but the atmosphere prossesor blowing its top plus the weather being thrown into chaos after that due to above explosion lol. Again, if you rewatch the movie you can see the left hand prong has snapped off from the ship itself which cameron also put in his concept art... its dead XD.
@@CrashHeadroom in the colonial marines tech manual they explain that the craft could have been shielded from the reactor explosion by the Illium Mountain Range. *spooky*
I’d expect some type of power failure to happen eventually since the derelict alien spacecraft was sitting there for perhaps thousands of years.
How did Ann get Russ out an back to the rover by herself? Especially when Kane had to be wenched up by Dallas and Lambert, not to mention the spiral staircase. Would have made more sense if they encountered an egg near the exit on the way out or maybe a loose Face Hugger followed and attacked just before they exited the U-Ship.
My thoughts too... she carried his dead weight all the way out and back up the spiral staircase?! No way
And didn't get facehugged herself?
I enjoyed that book a lot. I completely visualized everything that Newt's parents were seeing on the derelict with both wonder and apprehension.
You should change yout title from "What Newts Parents Found" to "What Newt's Parents Found"
I'm guessing in Alien they took another entrance into the Space Jockey ship as they didn't encounter any Xeno bodies or anything!
In Alien, the crew went through one of the organic looking openings of the derelict, but in Aliens Newt's parents went through damaged part of the derelict that left an opening in the ship.
This is called a "retcon". It's bullshit. This is non-canon.
Yeah, this story seems cheaper and simplistic… the engineer shoryuken the queen! LOL
like with the Space-Jockey being an Engineer in Prometheus I don't think it benefits Alien to later on add all this extra detail.
just keep the Space-Jockey as an eerie, creepy thing we will never understand & shouldn't try
@Radagast Addams
You're not the only who dislikes what Scott did to the mystery of the Space Jockeys. I ignore the hell out of his Prometheus and Covenant scripts.
I love the Space Jockey race, and I always thought they were a creepy, ancient malevolent race that were incredibly patient and smart. I like to think they're definitely aware of us, the Predators, and the Engineers, their children who turned on them, and they're watching and waiting for a chance to reappear and wipe all life out.
It'd be nice if we were able to have an official view of Ultramorphs in the derelict, I love the Alien franchise with all my heart but I wish the stories had better connections, the prequels especially. What happened to the Space Jockey and the true origin of Xenomorphs is still a mystery to be unfolded, hopefully Fox will stop milking prequel movies for profit and give us a proper story that leads up to the events of Alien. In my personal opinion, the story and motivation of Engineers lit the fire for the Alien franchise, until they decided to throw in some android that suggested it created these xenomorphs.
They never said David created the xenos… He did however create the version we all know and love. Saying he created the xeno would be like you putting carrots on a hamburger and claiming that you created the hamburger.
Ridlety scott is ALIEN if you think differently you in the wrong franchise
just 10 minutes of prequel footage is far better than the whole sequel anthology. Go watch Fast and Furious.
@@BeverlyHighland no, they didn't flat out state it. They just heavily implied it. So if I grant your take, you're saying we're left with the original xeno as a creation of the engineers, but David polishing it into what we see in the original film?
Yeah, still fucking stupid.
They can burn the prequels and I wouldn't care.
Also where did the 2nd Queen come from? The one in Aliens. Did the one who burst out of Mr Jordan become a Queen like the one in Ripley in Alien 3 was going to?!
I believe that, in the absence of a Queen, one of the drones will instinctively molt, or transform, into a Queen.
It's too bad they didn't find any dead face huggers and empty eggs. That might of given them more of a warning to AVOID those eggs at all costs. Double goes for the Nostromo crew.
I still hate the humanlike "Engineers", I prefer the idea that Space Jockeys and "Engineers" are separate races. The "Engineers" could be a past subservient race used for labor by the Space Jockeys, with the others rebelling against them and possibly stealing or mimicking the technology of the Space Jockeys to wage war against them. The idea that the Xenomorphs being created by either the "Engineers" or the Space Jockeys is also asinine.
Dan O'Bannon's original idea that the Xenomorphs were an extinct race survived only by their eggs and discovered by the Space Jockeys is more interesting and deadly. It gives a sense that the universe is indeed large and mostly mysterious. If combining the now used "Engineers" as part of the lines, these could had stolen scientific DNA experiments done to the discovered Alien eggs, such as the "Magical" Black Snot from PROMETHEUS and COVENANT. The only thing I have against this idea is that the stupid Black Goo is an unoriginal idea first used on the SPECIES movies and the first X-FILES movie.
Having the Space Jockeys be their own intended alien race and giving a space to the crappy "Engineers" would at least give more stuff, the problem I have with the latter is that they make the universe too small and humans too much importance in the overall picture of the Universe instead of stumbling on something completely mysterious in Space that could bring the extinction of the human race.
Finally someone nails it. The galaxy is vast. I’ve always imagined that the xenomorphs are like the borg from Star Trek when the enterprise first encounter them. Woefully unprepared and massively outgunned, they had to rely on Q to save them. Way better of a concept than, Engineers creates man, man creates android, android creates xenomorph, xenomorph kills man.
@@spaceyzane9275 Thanks, I've been a firm Dan O'Bannon defender, especially since HE was the actual creator of ALIEN. There's a long history with how they treated him and tried to steal his creator rights to it and all of the garbage that they tried to push in the original.
The stupid crap you've seen in the recent Ridley Scott's garbage films is all of that, and you're so lucky that they haven't added the time travel BS that they also intended to add in the original ALIEN. And here is a kicker, in the movie THE PREDATOR by Shane Black, they have a deleted end credits scene where Ripley and an adult Newt were in a stasis pod that the Predator had. The actresses had breathing masks that resembled Facehuggers and everything. So yeah, they're still crapping on Dan O'Bannon's creation, and Ridley Scott is in the forefront of this BS.
@@EternalRoman interesting. I’ve been recently getting into this franchise, as I never gave these films a fair shake growing up, not into horror. But they are well grounded in believability. I prefer James Cameron aliens simply because he created more lore that’s easy to imagine more story lines can be used with, unfortunately no one has used it well since then.
@@spaceyzane9275 I like James Cameron's ALIENS mainly cause he expanded the mythos by respecting the source material. ALIEN 3 for me was a good ending for the Ripley character, and it was nihilistic in the sense as O'Bannon had portrayed in his original story, that the universe overall does not see the humans species as important in the overall picture. This was his way of injecting one of his inspirations when he wrote ALIEN which was H.P. Lovecraft, the author that also H.R. Giger was a fan of.
ALIEN was intended to show that the universe is vast, mysterious, unfriendly territory and that not all knowledge is good, that some things are better be left alone because there are older darker things in the black void of space that could bring the end of life if disturbed or uncovered. That was Ripley's sacrifice at the End of ALIEN 3 to avoid the extinction of humanity for their own hubris in meddling with crap they shouldn't have been since the first time.
When you imagine looking at the stars and see them in the distance, imagine yourself as another being, would you care for a company's greed in another world? That is how insignificant the human species is to the universe and that is the damned problem with Ridley Scott crapping on the ALIEN franchise.
@@EternalRoman I can appreciate that kind of message however I don’t think alien 3 should have been in the setting it was in. Should have featured newt and hicks, as a way to keep ripley’s legacy sort of speak. And the prison background with characters that were never memorable doesn’t help either. But I do like the idea of it’s ending with her sacrificing herself for the betterment of mankind.
All I could think of when listening to the audiobook when the dad was talking was that he was essentially space Bill Burr.
Well this was pretty good and I really like this theory on what happen before Alien 2 with newt
Also hope y'all are having a good day
This is when you're hoping that their 6th sense would have kicked in, but no!!!
Facehugger.. they found a facehugger in there...
Man I wish they adopt this as a short film sounds good too imagine what happened to space jockey ship landed on the planet Is an arrest of the Crow
I've always been saying they should make Newt's Tale into Alien Isolation 2. This could be the opening sequence.
@@Leondrius agree
Brilliant retelling! Read the River of Pain novel several years ago. Very creative, interesting, really naturally and yet originally developed forn the original. The presence of a large number of eggs in the cargo hold presupposes the presence of a queen, right? They could not have been 'ovomorphs'; or possibly manufcture or 'laid' by the Juggernaut Space Ship itself (according to the original story and script). So the hive structure may be seen as an infestation or an 'infection' of the biomechanoid Derelict.
The $6 million dollar question is where did this Space Jocky race come from? Where were they going? Why? Did they 'enginner' the Xenomorph, since it is also a biomechanoid insectoid creature? How did the pilot become a host? What had happened to that 1st face hugger which impregnated him. It was not anywhere where the space jocky was, and later when Kane (Cain?) and others went down the melted shaft in the ship's hull, and into the cargo hold below, they did not see any remains of said dead face hugger. That may indicate the actual initial attack may have taken place elsewhere? May be at the site of the ancient Silo / Pyramid (in the original story)?
Don't you think that the Alien Lore has so much potential for great and REAL Sci-Fi material for better movies instead of what had since happened after Alien Resurrection? I feel a real loss of this lore was allowed to happen by ignoring what may potentially have been the greatest Sci-Fi collection. Just imagine what they could have made with it like Star Trek where one could have an ongoing quest and occasionally coming face to face with the Xenomorph. But there would have been a wealth of materials such as W-Y intrigue and machinations, the the rest of the human race in space and colonizations, and also in particular that Space Jocky alien race which is likely to be light years ahead of us!
All this and more.... are now lost....like 'Tears in Rain".
Well, thats a comic explanation but that isn't the official film one lol What they found inside was a near dead ship, most of its systems destroyed by various volcanic flows ((hell you can even see some in the DC cut of the film near the ship)). The atmosphere inside changed due to those systems dead or near death annnnnd they quite litterally just found what was found in the first film. So yeah, they found the Nostromo crews' equipment, various lava damage and what was left of the eggs, as lava flows had also poured into some of those chambers.
After watching alien many times, the scale is all wrong within the derelict ship, and the outside? its more in keeping with the original temple with a ship crashed into it. when he absails into the egg chamber is way bigger than the ship.
Agreed. If the location of the egg chamber where Kane got FHed was the lower deck of the U-Ship, then the matt painting behind the eggs is way off scale to the remainder of the U-Ship.
OTOH, if it were a hole in the bottom of the U-Ship that Kane descended down from and into a cave it would have looked much better just to show a large cave and not the twists and turns which resemble the U shape.
When we see a U-ship land and fall on Vickers in Prometheus (assuming that U-Ship was the same size as the one in Alien) then scale wise the eggs were in fact in a cave beneath the U-Ship in Alien and not the U-Ships lower deck.
Hope the next movie would be this 😜
My theory is David is responsible for all that
My guess as well
what alien game is in the videoe?
I remember reading River Of Pain when I was WAY too young, like no older than 12. I always thought the xenomorph looked awesome, everyone does, but the movies were too frightening. Then my dad brought the book, read it, and after seeing it wasn’t as scary, he let me read it. I actually wasn’t traumatized, I was fascinated. The whole trilogy of books spawned this love of sci fi in me, without scary visuals.
Books & comics don't count.
The father, pressing his wife forward to explore in to the derelict, and with young children waiting back in the vehicle, was completely reckless. Driven by greed to abandon caution, as humans often are. Aside from dad’s complete disregard for his family safety, Burke sending them out there without giving them any warning of the possible danger just reflects more greed. To warn them may have prevented them from going at all. Burke’s greed driven disregard for human life wasn’t going to let him risk that poossibilty.
Yeah no. The Derelict belongs to the Jockeys. It is the same ship we see in Alien. What this book tried to do (I know what this is from, the ripley trilogy) is retcon the derelict into an Engineer vessel. Not buying it. There was one corpse in the Jockey derelict. And everything in Alien lore except this book has acknowledged that. The pilot is the only occupant of his ship.
Actually the eggs from the derelict should have in a dome but they cut the scenes due to constraints, from what i know.
@@jotr.9786 Pyramid, actually. They ended up merging both pyramid and derelict together. I honestly believe the Derelict crashed millions of years ago or it automatically landed once the occupant died after setting up the distress signal.
I also believe there is something buried under the derelict, like it was carrying a massive cargo container. But dust, dirt and storms buried it.
@Weyland Punani Yeah OK. Whatevs.
Agree. The Space Jockey which had given birth to an Alien, eggs, and that’s it.
This would certainly tie in to Ridley Scott's theme of the Engineers, featured in Promepheus, the prequel to the Alien films. Alien Awakening, is the third prequel to come after Alien Covenant, which everybody is hoping that the Engineers will make a comeback, will further explain & hopefully show a big battle between the Aliens we all know & the Engineers from Promepheus.
Great video, I watched the very first Aliens when I was little & was very scared by the face huggers, watched almost every single Alien movie, I am so interested to see where the newer movies tie into the whole Alien series of films. 👏👏👍👍
Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha it's a movie.... good, but still a movie.
So many of the novels are head cannon for me.
Wow.
They saw...
Yo Mama!
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Cameron turned this into a real shit movie.
I love videos like this thanks for making this video your content is entertaining to watch