Finding out if this 20 year-old stock Viper still has it
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- In this video we find out how much horsepower and torque my 2000 Dodge Viper makes at the wheels and drag & roll race it against a 2011 Audi S4, 2007 Ford Mustang GT, and a 2021 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack Widebody (SRT 392).
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If only you were close to SD ... my older S4 would be a great race.
what about heads/cam c6z in alabama? lol
seriously though. i'm a GM guy, but i always loved the viper. i was at the international auto show when it was unveiled in 93 and i still remember that red car. still have a viper poster on my wall.
congrats on the purchase, beautiful car.
@@7.0SLO nah that’s a kill I’m sure he wants it close to stock if not stock. The c6z makes quite a bit more than a stock gen 2 viper as it is already.
drive to Dallas and I'll run you lol - stock C5 Z06
@@CPAJayhawk that'd be a great race I'd think.
Conclusion: A 20 year-old stock Viper does, indeed, still have it.
Thank you. You saved me 7 minutes
Jose stole my comment
... unless there's a Corvette from that year forward present. Then the viper hides in the corner.
Amen brother!
Nice profile pic
Much respect to the engineers from 20 years ago, I’d imagine has to be hell of feeling seeing your car still whoop ass 20 years later. Masterpiece
Considering it was designed to go after the Shelby cobra witch still humbles modern cars and is even older is a testament to the standard
Seriously, it just goes to show great engineering goes a very long way.
a 8 liter v12 equipped to work with one of the greatest gearboxes of all time Is a true masterpiece
@@MadeInAmerica. v12?
@@bepsi9939 no actually the second generation was produced with a V10
Man the viper is just one of those timeless classics that was engineered so well, it stands the test of time
Cue the dozens of clips of these cars spinning out making turns or driving off cliffs.
My thoughts exactly.
@@__Razer well that’s coz people bought one thinking they could drive it like a challenger
Was it that it was engineered so well, or engineered so little? What it has going for it is that it's basically a gigantic engine strapped into a shell with absolutely no frills. I'm sure the Mustang and Challenger could hang if you ripped out all of the safety features and creature comforts.
@@sauercrowder good point
This exact Viper is in Gran Turismo and I always thought it's performance in the game was maybe a bit exaggerated. But after seeing this video, I guess it wasn't exaggerated after all.
The stock Viper GTS in Gran Turismo 2 is very good to drive if you're doing it right.
Imagine relying on a game more than reality. Humanity is effed
@@thegreat9481 dude they're talking about a game, piss off💀
@@thegreat9481 I actually relied on reality; I saw a viper racing in best motoring show and it wasn't exactly the most competitive car, beaten even by a 300hp NSX. However, that was the very first gen model (SR 1), opposed to the second gen (SR 2) used in this video. And before this video I actually thought there wasn't a much of a performance difference between those models. But boy was I wrong.
@@thegreat9481 …. Not everyone can just go out and buy a viper bro
This is what I’m talking about. Efficient editing, no terrible music or bad jokes, just good content.
Challenger: Big car with a big engine in it.
Viper: Huge engine with a little car wrapped around it.
Well said
The Viper is like the A-10 of the street, a big-ass cannon with a vehicle attached to it.
@@ayee7503 great analogy.
@@ayee7503 exemplary my boy
It's what they say, no replacement for displacement
I always knew the Viper was a beast. Just keep it stock it’s perfect.
Exactly. I hate when people bastardize them. It doesn't need to have 3000hp and 3 turbos. Its a classic at this point
Still one of the best looking cars ever made imo
The Viper's styling is timeless.
only 1st gen
Challenger's too
The viper is the cheesiest looking car ever
Looks more like a beefed up rx7
The Viper was a Tom Gale design that debuted at the 1989 Detroit Auto Show as a show car. The FD RX7 didn’t debut until 1991. It was designed by Tom Matano at Mazda’s California design studio, so it’s not hard to imagine the Viper influenced it.
TBH the Viper is like that “old man” that still has it, and can still run your ass down. Viper was meant as a “no frills” supercar. An engine, seats, and chassis.
& an amazing chassis, at that! Matching the toughness & strength of the drivetrain ..these things can kick ass, yes..and keep on doin' it for a dang long time. to say nothing of the remarkable and competent suspension and brakes. they lacked nothing..cept respect from the losers that cast shade at them, bc jealous or sore losers :D
Yeah. Like the guy at the bar, and a bunch of college kids with muscles are like "let's fight old man" and then the old guy just keeps his head down. Then somebody pushes him and 10 college kids are unconscious
that thing just wants to kill you from the start
It's basically a modern take on the old Shelby Cobra, which was designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to be faster than Corvette in a straight line, and in both cases it is. They both handle like dump trucks and are even more obnoxious than Corvette to daily-drive, but they are blindingly fast.
@@Lazarus7000 ..can a dump truck hit 7:01 at the 'ring?
early gen vipers scare me sometimes, even 20 years later they’re still a beast compared to newer cars
I still think that viper is one of the best looking cars ever built!
The Viper seriously has one of the best body styles in history, 99 GTS is my dream. Blue with racing stripes.
Just opinion , I think they’re hideous ... amazing builds I just think they’re ugly
@@isfdrewski2611 what is your perfect looking car?
@@jaydee6837 old school 69 charger or 70 gto ... to be fair I don’t like many muscle cars bodies from early 2000’s like the 90’s 5.0 mustang though
@@isfdrewski2611 oh.
@@jaydee6837 it’s all peoples preferences 🤷🏻♂️
It's so relieving to get recommended a car channel that isn't full of dubstep/trap music transitions or dumb hype beasts. Fantastic and presented very well. Subscribed.
3:17 this is relieving as well
This
Thought I was the only one that thought this. Right to the point, clearly narrated and no BS dubstep.
too much yeet culture ruining most vids but this one was a1.
Agreed.
This is such a good channel! I'm going to highly recommend not modifying that Viper though. In another ten or fifteen years collectors are going to shit themselves for a bone-stock Viper in that condition.
They built 37,000+ of them; they're not that rare, but unmolested ones certainly are...
@@paulhall170 Yeah that's why I specified bone stock and in good condition. There's no shortage of Vipers -- if you want one you can find one. But good ones that haven't been modified? That's significantly more rare. And as they become more and more collectible in general over the next few years, the good ones will be worth a serious premium.
What he has there could very likely turn out to be a $300k car at Barrett-Jackson circa 2035.
@@paulhall170 bruh why word it like that? “Unmolested ones” 💀💀💀
@@ottomackjre4421 You are obviously unfamiliar with classic car terminology; unmolested means in original condition or close to it; not having been modified or raced or thrashed. it's a common term, which is widely used in the car game; other posters knew exactly what I meant, what's your problem with it?
@@paulhall170I know what you meant lol. I just think the word unmolested in weird when used in reference to cars
Had a 02 gts intake, headers, exhaust. Watching this really makes me miss it! Great video. You’ll have fun with the build. My uncle had a 99 gts with the Hennessy package. 600hp. Quite a bit more power than mine. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Chris ✌
That stock Viper looks so good and well preserved that I don't know if I'd be able to customize it...
it would be heresy to visually change anything on it.
@@ivicamajmunskikreten9714 Paint at most, love the red with white stripes.
This. I hate when people ruin great cars with their shit.
@@gatesofhades534 maybe, but you'd have to keep it metallic. gloss paint just doesn't highlight the curves good enough.
@@gatesofhades534
Disgusting, the blue pearl with white stripes is iconic. Silver also looked good.
The Viper is a timeless design. Couldn't believe how much the front lifted every time you changed gears. Lots of torque there
Or worn stock suspension in combination with rwd 👏
Italian design!
@@jonasvg6189 nope just ridiculous amounts of torque my dude but nice try😉
@@jonasvg6189 and you actually want some lift off in the front bud cause guess where that weight then goes??? Onto the rear wheels for more traction! Everything happens for a reason bud
@@jonasvg6189 its called power transfer, When power is sent to the rear wheels, the front is always likely to lift by a certain degree. Its common sense
I've long since given up on my lifelong dream of owning a Viper since it's financially just not in the cards. Thank you for making videos like this so that I can enjoy what is, in my opinion, the most incredible car ever made.
I’ve seen some good deals out there, that being said my vehicle is well under 10,000 and i couldn’t afford even a cheap sports car. But don’t give up the dream!
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You can find 90s vipers in the 30's man! Dont give up! I refuse to! I will have my 98 gts!
@@chrisgentry9255 I appreciate the encouragement. I know what they cost! Unfortunately there are too many other priorities and not enough money to go around. But I find great joy in seeing how many people love and appreciate Vipers.
How much do they run?
This is how car videos should be made!! This video showed up on my recommended. Man I have not been so enthralled by a car video! I have been a car guy my whole life, I've raced a few vipers as well! The attention to detail, straight to the point no talking about meaningless crap for 12 minutes until you get to the point, just right into what is going on! I can't say enough how I wish all car videos were this detailed, and to the point! Subbed even though you say I shouldn't
I'm not even gonna front, Your shifting in the last race was impeccable! We have to appreciate that too because the machine is only as good as the person controlling it.
When I was 17 my friend power shifted,which is amazing,I worked at car dealership when I learned to drive stick shift.
All while eating a turkey sandwich 🦃
Sadly not anymore with launch control and new gen autotrans. This is why "old" cars still have an appeal that can't be matched by newer models.
That’s what she said
Honestly I didn’t expect it to beat that challenger, especially that easily. That’s really impressive
Right? Such a steady pull, characteristic of the 10 cyl.
But that dodge is also 4300 lbs where the viper is almost a whole thousand lbs lighter at 3400 lbs average between the two options.
The viper is essentially some seats and windows bolted to an engine. Kinda like how the a10 warthog was built around its 30mm cannon
Well it does weigh the same as a 2005 tahoe. Lol
@@andyluvsvengeance no my 91 foxbody is just some windows and metal with a small block of angry metal.
Challenger is a huge boat 🛥.
Challengers are pretty slow in general.
First of all, the Viper is easily the best looking car. I have a Hellcat and it is very kewl, but not like a Viper. The Viper has kept up or surpassed cars that are 10 times it’s price.
Love the first gen GTS coupes, they are so good looking. And apparently still as awesome as I thought they were when they came out in the mid 90's. Entertaining video thanks for sharing.
Imagine being a rich 18 year old owning that 2021 Challenger, thinking you're top shit, then getting wrecked by a Viper that's older than you are.
Imagine being that same 18 year old, with a new vette, or track hawk, or a demon....and you spank the old pos viper.
i have a 01 c5 Z06 owned it from 2005. i get that sad face from many drivers, guys in new carreras, 370 Zs, wrxs, the new coyote stangs are just a hair slower and the 455hp camaros still lose by a car. feels great knowing even though i paid 24K in 2005 im still competitive with new cars. 16 years of ownership at $1500 a YEAR cost of car !
@@nightbloodrayna who shit in your cereal? Let me guess was it a viper and this struck a nerve?
@@nightbloodrayna except, demons aren't on sale anymore, and you barely see people drive them because they were made in limited production numbers
except, trackhawks have around 400 more horsepower, but also weigh almost 2000-3000 lbs more, the viper would give it a very good run but sadly it would lose
and a new vette, a c8?, you're joking right, the new vette is fast off the line because of the launch control but it won't win in a straight line against a viper
He might lose but he’ll look good doing it
EXCELLENT production...no waffling BS, just into it, well narrated and kept my attention
couldnt have said it better myself… well i could’ve, but im modest y’know
Frfr
Totally agree!!
DAMN!! That Viper just keeps on pullin’ from start to finish. Nonstop torque.
Your videos are so efficient and to the point. Love it. And hell yeah viper!
No matter what similar HP car you pitch the viper against, it's the tall flat torque curve that gives it the biggest advantage. Peak horsepower is produced for an instant in time in each gear. That tall flat torque profile lasts the whole race.
The Vipers curb weight of about 3300-3400 pounds is also a factor. Its why motorcycles do so well on 140 hp.
@@williamthornton5856 yeah, compared to modern muscle cars it has like a 300-700lb advantage
That’s really impressive still being relevant this many years later. The V10 was so underrated. It was a great engine that I always believe had a flat power curve and you proved it.
Since when has a Viper V10 engine been underrated lol?
@@19hundoc47 unless someone’s a better than average car enthusiast the dodge v10 is most certainly overlooked for the more popular v8 powered corvettes and mustangs of the same time period. Sales alone proves that. Furthermore, the v10 when put in the heavy duty trucks of the 90’s was often overlooked for the “new” diesels when in comparison the power from the v10 was better to nearly identical until diesel advancements really took off in the late 90’s… and even then it wasn’t much. Its difficult to name any regular reliability issues with the v10. Even today the torque curve and power output from the v10 is better than any large displacement v8 in production. How often does some say “those dodge v10’s were a great engine, wish I could find one” when having a discussion about 90’s motors… it’s pretty rare. That’s Why I would call them underrated.
And before you go off about how the truck engine and viper engine have zero similar parts… I know. I’m just generally speaking about the development of the v10 by dodge being pretty remarkable…. Lol
@@Polack-ml9fh my point is, the Viper V10 never didn’t get the credit it was due. It was an animal then, it’s still an animal, no one discounted it.
@@19hundoc47 I didn't come here to bring numbers but I do believe there are numbers to show the sales on v10 vipers being under v8s. Many people had little or correct knowledge of ford 6.8s and ordered the 5.4 instead only to get less power and usually less mpg also. The same kind of stereotype effect slightly changing the course of production that happened when v6 blazers were getting better mpg than i4 blazers(almost like a change happened when they added a 2nd cab onto the s10 lol)
@@Polack-ml9fh the truck engine has the viper engine if you get the right truck 😉. I should've paid 12,000 for one right out of high school 8 years ago and seen how long I stayed out of jail but I have a clean record still
I remember playing with the Viper endlessly in Test drive 6 as a kid ❤️
The viper has always been really fast, and this is the best looking generation IMO, nice video!
The Viper wins on looks, style, and character alone.
I respectfully disagree but your opinion is valid👍🏾
@@ExclusiveExcellence I feel the same way
I respectfully agree, although ALL of these cars in the video are ranged from okay to Very Good looking, I still think I would own the Viper over all. It holds its own in the looks department and that Big V10 with the manual is to kill for. It may not be the most reliable or modern or efficient or crazy or....you get the point.
Yeah something about that body style Viper and the era. Just something we'll never see again, and it held it's won against newer cars.
I just love the classic look of the mustang but the viper does indeed have an interesting look
That Viper is amazing. It's a smaller car though overall (lighter?) but to put down the power, traction is required... Man it's just so well balanced. An engineering marvel.
You know what they say, there's no replacement for displacement! The challenger really surprised me, but I guess it shouldn't, that viper is probably lighter. I love watching those huge wheels off the line breaking just a bit of traction before the hammer goes down. Great video
Not sure who says that anymore but boomers. We got factory cars out now making viper V10 numbers from 2.0liter engines.
@pulda015 haha, name a naturally aspirated 2.0 that makes viper numbers. And don't give me any BS turbocharged or supercharged engines because that is indeed, increasing displacement. 🤣🤣
@@rticul8862 Lol, don't even bother arguing with them, they probably simp over JDM cars lmao
The Viper is over a thousand pound lighter than the Challenger. That race honestly didn’t surprise me.
@@pulda015And you couldn't even name one? Even so, put it up against the viper and you'll see the real difference. Torque is pretty important brodie
Viper looks like it hasn’t aged a day. Every time I see a viper, it reminds me of the 90s TV show.
Exactly! That show is the main reason I got hooked on vipers.
Yeah! Such a timeless design.
Cars like this, the AC Cobra and all those old time sports cars always look great. Never drove one, but on Forza for the XBox, it's a bitch to drive. Can't keep it on the road, way to fast and powerful.
@@bondgabebond4907 Lol it's funny that you mention the shelby cobra because most people don't know that Carroll Shelby designed the viper and it couldn't be called the cobra because that name was already associated with Ford, so it was named Viper. The recipe for speed is never going to change and Shelby proved it time and time again.
@@JorgeChavez-du5vm Shelby did not design the car afaik, but he was kind of an advisor and he like and approved it at the end.
The viper design language and execution holds up amazingly well today. It even manages to make current gen dodges look dated and obsolete by comparison.
I had a dream this car would not go out of fashion while others will come and go. 2007 mustang does is forgettable compared to the viper for example.
I just got me a 2016 hellcat last month and I’ll never look back I love the thing to death and love when someone pulls up next to me in something nice
Bravo, bravo, bravisimo!!! I was going for the Viper all the time. I remember them in the early 1990s. They never won a beauty contest, but they were great for what they were intended, power, speed, American muscle, awwww. Nice video, thanks man!
Really enjoyed this video. Fun to see the Viper do so well. Always liked the Viper, but currently have a '70 Vette convertible..
This Snake's fangs are still surprisingly deadly against our lovely overgrown high belt line GT coupes. Long live all Vipers.
Snek strong
Keep that Viper stock bro. Thing's perfect just as it is.
Better with more power
@@fusradah3977 depends
Should be red or blue with white stripes.
Nah. But: Full exhaust with headers, a tune, and nicer wheels/tires. 👌🏻
I figure it would lose value once you start modding. Just my 2c
Dream car as a young teen, a Dodge Viper... And yet have I own it. It seem to dodge me everytime. But now I want that 4.6 mustang even more now.
Thank you for showing your stang, first video of yours I watched.
This channel is straightforward! No bullshit.A guy who races his own cars and is better than any channel.
The viper is such a classic. I wouldn't even modify it honestly, not heavily anyway.
Right!? Maybe different wheels, exhaust, intake , and tune. That’s it
Freshen the drive train. Update suspension and brakes. Exhaust and tune. Lose all the weight you can and have a beast of a machine.
Modified cars are ugly
@@bariscoskun8534 how so? What specificity turns you off
I most certainly would. You can exceed 1000hp easily on stock internals by just adding boost. That V10 has tons of potential waiting to be unlocked.
As the owner of a stock '97 GTS, this was good for me. Real good.
I had the same year, red. I miss it 😭
i had no idea that the viper had such a linear power band. ima mustang guy but i've always had a spot in my heart for vipers. beautiful car even 20 years later
Great in depth comparison. Good job!
I always loved the Viper. It was one of my dream cars as a kid. But wow. This just makes me give it so much more respect.
My dream car too one of the most beautiful sports cars ever made. My dream is to own one hopefully one day
Amen 🙏 Same here
#1: I need a Viper now
#2: Subscribed, love the video format!
i'm honored, your turbo content really helped me out with my mustang
@@Four_Eyes Really?? That's awesome! I just watched your 4.6 cams video, really enjoy the perfect mix of data presentation and races
I rode in a buddies 97 viper. I did not like it. It was shaky, the center console felt like it was up to my shoulders, cramped and the heavy 4 foot long doors were always ready to hit another car.
But a Ram SRT-10 thooo.....
@@Four_Eyes yo how much did your viper cost to buy? It's a real fire of a beast, it might be something I'd plan on getting one day
The Viper was an amazingly well-engineered machine, and cost-effective too. The Viper's chassis was inspired by kit cars, being both cheap and stiff. The engine was the result of Lamborghini (then owned by Chrysler) taking the Magnum V10 used in Ram 2500 trucks and recasting it in aluminum, then providing tuned up internals for improved power and reliability. These two components held up dependably right into the modern era, and the Viper was only put out to pasture because the Challenger Hellcat produced more horsepower without having a bespoke engine, chassis and production line.
Failure to meet new air bag safety standards and lack of automatics being offered killed the Viper
The Viper is by far an amazing piece of machinery 👍🏽
Parked next to the Challenger, you really get a good sense of just how small Vipers really are. Small car + MASSIVE, torquey engine = FUN! The Carroll Shelby equation.
Drive one sometime, it ain’t comfortable if you’re a bigger person 🥺 plus the pedals being tilted at a strange angle makes it an odd experience for pedal play. But 80mph in second gear 🤤
Like Shelby said.
"Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races."
Parking a modern Challenger next to a 1970s Challenger shows just how portly they have become.
@@orangetruckman you get used to the pedals though. When i first got mine, there definitely was times where i accidentally tapped the brake when pushing the clutch in.
Or how massive the challengers are. I Never paid much attention to them until my uncle bought a 2015 lime green SRT8 and when I stood next to it to look it over I first realized how massive of a car they really are. Not only just big all around but tall like a Tonka toy.
There’s a reason the Viper is still so legendary. These things are monsters even despite their age
Very impressive Viper’s these cars are almost 30 years old
Without Carroll Shelby that viper wouldn’t be in existence. #SHELBY
EL BORIKKEN At the time they were modern day cobras
Its Low key a baby supra
@@thatsclassified1 no it's not. The supra isn't fast at all
Bad ass great to see the old keeping up with the new … power to weight ratio love it
I have a 1996 GS corvette and it’s the same thing as your viper keeping up with these newer cars and having the style of the old …
This was so good-subscribed!
I’ve always like the viper. As a car guy I think is a timeless masterpiece
Coming from a JDM fanatic always is and always will be
till its going straight...
Viper still has it in looks too! Such a timeless design.
It's weird how polarizing the design is. I'm with you and think it's one of the best-looking car designs ever, and many agree with us, but a lot of people also think it's hideous. I don't get it, but hey
great curves in all the right places
Love this video and appreciate everything it took to make it.
@Four Eyes, the RUclips account "TÉXT" is attempting to spoof you. Made me think it was you replying to me. I have reported the account.
Videos like this remind me of why the Viper has been my dream car since the first Gran Turismo came out
I don’t usually watch a lot of races but this was pretty fair and I enjoyed watching the Viper rule every time
The driver's ability to keep the rear wheels stuck to the ground with the Viper is impressive. That ability is what won those races. Many drivers simply could not control the shifting and launch of the Viper without massive wheel spin.
Power to weight the Viper wins (only if you can keep those tires firmly gripping the tarmac.)
I mean, depending on tire compound, 355s help a lot.
@@phuse99 not really. anything less than a drag radial is relatively easy to fry from a dead stop if you arent paying attention.
This is literally the most impressive part of the video. How well they got that thing to launch and hook on street tires on a non prepped surface. I was certain the Charger would get out front from a dig.
@@ronaldjoseph9607 with the viper, you just launch very low rpm, that's all. Sometimes feathering the clutch helps. Either way, the launches from both cars were pretty good on that terrible surface 👍
Nobody is talking about the fact that because of the layout the Viper actually has REAR BIASED weight distribution (48/52 F/R I think) so the weight out over the rear is about as close to a Lamborghini as it is to all these other cars.
Awesome video. I love the GTS coupes! Didn't think they were that quick.
This is such a clean video. Very very clean cars. Clean strip. I love the Nevada energy. Makes me miss AZ.
The Viper really was what Shelby envisioned. A street Cobra for the times.
That viper is so clean. Please keep it that way. Not many left that haven’t been over modded
Some new shoes would be nice on it but I agree, keep clean don't over mod visually at least
I've seen alot of stock. Vipers
I’m not sure about modification wise but vipers had a blessing which was they were terrible as daily drivers. so many just sat in garages not being used so much.
2 dead stock ones for sale this weekend at Fall Carlisle. both were 94s. both under 18k miles. both $39K. one yellow one red.
@@johnj.baranski6553 those are not 39k cars lol 😂😂
The Viper has always been my dream car. Classic look.
A red viper that’s this body style drove by my house yesterday. It looks so good. I will never tire of seeing vipers on the road.
This just further proves my point, at least for street driven vehicles. Peak Horsepower and torque numbers sell cars, but does not guarantee wins at the track. A long, flat torque curve with high average torque that stays near the peak number may deliver less impressive numbers for advertising but will produce better overall performance.
explains why caterhams and lotuses are the fastest on trackdays. id take 400kg and 150hp over 550hp in 2000kg anyday
Thats why I like to run 455 Pontiacs, because 550ftlbs from idle to 5000rpm means I can run a highway gear like a 2.41 to a 3.42 and show Vipers my tail lights. No need to throw the aftermarket at it either, its lots of fun for a daily driver. I have to admit it is hard on transmissions and tires, my 12 second 4000lb 70 GTO with 2.93 gears liked to break Th400s... with its 8:1 compression 455. Burnouts for distance by simply whacking the throttle was fun too. 1/8 mile was no problem leaving from idle and never touching the brakes. With compression and E85 its even more fun, like my 65 GTO.
@@SweatyFatGuy I mean that's cool but this viper was bone stock.
@@tapsofosiris3110 yeah and it was also rather expensive when new, and to buy it now. I am a crippled war veteran, I don't have a lot of money, so I have to build things. Just so happens my engines are rather worn when I get them, so I simply refresh it with a bore and then throw on a head from a 400 or 350. Its almost all stock stuff, or stock replacement, and running 11s is rather easy. Headers and a camshaft/lifters and drop it in something as light as or lighter than the Viper.
If I get a bit crazy with it I can have the heads ported by Butler and upgrade the connecting rods, which makes the entire engine cost about $3200 and make around 550hp with nearly 600ftlbs.
I have a 72 Formula with a 455 HO in it, 8.8:1 compression, pushing a 3.08 gear, and it runs 12.60s. Its the original engine and had a ring and bearing job because its almost 50 years old. I am planning to clone it with a 71 Formula 400 I have, get another set of HO heads, put them on a 455, make it completely stock, and see if it will run in the 11s. Since that Formula has no AC, manual steering and brakes, and is a lot lighter than the every freakin option they had 72, it should get close to the 11s if not all the way in there.
Not too shabby for something that runs on 87 octane camel whiz.
@@tapsofosiris3110 however I do like Vipers, and if I could afford one I just might get one.
So in conclusion the 20 year old stock viper still has it
Undoubtably
Yeah it's a v10 racing 8 cylinder motors so I hope so with that light European style body
Viper still their daddy
Facts
@@loufernando7617 it’s over 20 years old.....
Very nice video! Can’t wait for more content!
So lovely and timeless design. In my country (Brunei), there is only one Dodge Viper and it's a GTS (SRII) model from 2002. Comes in red and is right-hand-drive. Has the same chrome wheels as yours.
"I'll be taking a bite of a turkey sandwich in between 1st and 2nd gear" 🤣🤣🤣
Old Viper is still a juggernaut. Not so heavy, simple and pack quite a punch.
Those older vipers are really small. I was shocked at how tiny they were... felt Miata sized.
Now dodge is lugging a beer gut around pretending it’s a six pack when we all know the only six pack it’s got is a six pack of pissweiser
@@LostParadise_ Yeah, most of its weight is massive wide engine, and missile shaped transmission.
@@LostParadise_ The viper was inspired by the Shelby Cobra after all.
I like the way you deliver the story! keep it up 😁👏
This was fun to watch. I was always wondering if Dodge really pulled all they could from the V10, it seems so.
I believe you can throw a couple bolt ons into the engine and increase power output, there's even kits to push 1000+
Outrageously excited for this project!!! I have a first gen and have the exact same power goal for it but keep bouncing back and forth between N/A and TT. To have 700whp out of a 1G that’s N/A would be so much fun and preferred! TT was only considered because it seems so much easier, cheaper, and more street friendly. How this build goes will probably be what makes the decision for me! You gained a sub! Can’t wait or more!
Hey thanks man. You're probably right that boost is an easier route, but I can tell from your videos that you're not one to avoid a challenge... just hoping it's not too much of a challenge 😅
It’s going to be so awesome to see and hear what it would be like! There’s a lot of turbo/supercharged 1&2 gen Vipers but I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in real life that’s all motor with 700. I have a feeling it’s gonna sound wicked.
Gotta be n/a tuned , get it to rev will just sound glorious
@@jairusofall get it to rev to the moon somehow. thatll give you the hp youre looking for. but the torque will be lower.
Race ya for pinks in my 2019 5.0 love to have a viper in my garage
I'm even now more impressed with the 3V Mustang for hanging with the Viper 👊
yeah not bad! that damn 3rd gear.
@@Four_Eyes What gears are you running in your 3V ?
@@blokebmx i think he said in another video 3.55 or something like that? It needs shorter gears and a new clutch.
@@Four_Eyes I'd be curious to see it vs a c5 Z06. I'm sure the viper would walk it, but by how much?
@@themathing that would be a great race, those things are only like 3,100 lbs!
Solid video. This is entertainment at peak performance.
This was a fun video! Thanks for sharing
I remember first seeing a viper when i was 6 years old and I instantly fell in love with it. Now im 28 and its still my dream car. Such a badass machine.
Same man. Car is beautiful.
I was always curious if Dodge understated their numbers, but looks like the dyno confirmed the official numbers. I can't wait to see what power a 9 liter engine makes, that's insane lol
Don't forget he is at elevation, so it likely makes more power than advertized at sea level
Trust me, their engines are underrated. Expect about 18% of the rated flywheel hp to be lost in the drivetrain. Which equates to 80 hp. So expect this Viper to make about 490 at the crank. This era of Viper's would run 192 mph, and yes, 40 additional horses over the flywheel rating won't yield much more top speed, but 192 mph wouldn't be possible with just 450 horses at the crank.
@sneakysnakes has a 9L stroker Gen 5 Viper, that thing is insane.
9L's make about 750 to the wheels. They are engine dyno tuned and output is ~825hp crank.
always good finding u randomly
Great video! I have the twin to this car with Cognac interior. Make sure this car has a billet power steering pulley and bracket as the factory pulley is plastic for some reason and will break! Also look for a Crank pulley Pin kit as the crank isn’t keyed from the factory . Roe Racing has them as well as many other Viper Specific parts , they are my go to.
My PS pulley broke on one of my GTS's too. The only thing that ever broke...
this right here is what I keep telling people it doesn't matter how new or how much power you have its all about power to weight ratios that challenger probably would've won if it didn't weigh as much as a tug boat awesome video glad to see 20 year old tech smacking peoples a$$
I love how you had your buddy drive the viper and you drove the 3v! My man 🤙🏼
haha yeah driving the 3v takes some getting used to do, the clutch is ridiculous.
@@Four_Eyes I have a 3v too! Is the clutch heavy?
@@helpmelol7097 Used to own a 2v and yeah the stock clutches on Mustangs are a workout lol
@@Elcapitanmaster Haha, I knew I wasn’t the only one! My left calf is rock hard because of it 😂
@@helpmelol7097 Can't speak for 3V, but foxbodies the clutch pedal is equivalent to lifting a 39 lb weight with your leg. Pretty sure they used that clutch until 09
Hey man I have to admit, while watching this video I was just astonished by the high level of production and quality you made it out to be. After I went to go drop a like and saw you have less than 50K subscribers. This really blew my mind given the amount of effort shown here and I can only assume in your other videos as well. All I have to say is Bravo 👏! Keep up the hard work because if this is your beginning, I can only imagine how well off you'll be down the road.
thank you Elysian 🙏
@@Four_Eyes YEA MAN THS IS A GREAT VIDEO I SUBSCRIBED AFTER. THIS!!! NICE WORK
Agree, this video was very good, stayed true to the title and I didn't feel like I wasted 1 second of my time 👍
That's kinda crazy! I've always loved the vipers but it's really impressive that it can hang with some of the stuff from today!
yeah this video earned my sub, and turned my childhood dreams of when i used to race my old viper in need for speed into a reality 💭
It's weird how I have never actually seen a Viper on the road more than, maybe, once when I was a kid and never again. I figure more people would've been driving around in this considering how much of a beast it was.
I literally saw them ALL THE DAMM time late 90s early 2000s in dallas like everywhere
I live in a town/area in central NJ where it's common to see exotics, and even supercars, on a daily basis (Ferrari, Lambo, Audi R8, Nissan skyline, Maserati, Bentley, Rolls, etc .. high end Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Corvettes, and muscle cars all day long) but it's still pretty rare to see a viper. I do see one from time to time but not often.
I would attribute this to the viper being a terrible daily driver, relatively high maintenance, terrible in rain or (God forbid) snow, and it's rather Spartan when it comes to features and amenities. It's a great looking, uncommon car that goes really fast and attracts attention. But that's about all it does. It's not comfortable, practical, or even remotely fuel efficient.
Considering the price of a new viper, you can get a lot more features and comfort (albeit maybe sacrificing some speed) from other choices which are better suited as daily drivers and most likely more fuel efficient. That being said, I'm surprised I don't see more older/used ones on the road that someone bought cheap just to have a fun fast summer car.
I live here in Manila, an I only saw twice for the whole 29 years of my existence.
A 2008 model coupe and a 1st gen RT. They're small but wide damn af.
On otherhand, the Corvette is as common as a Mustang and the Challenger.
@@dr.bunterhidenbrobruh5502 approximately how much for a new Viper if I was to order one?
@@briansmith5539 Well now that's a trick question because they don't make them right now. Since its inception, it has been on and off production at different times.
2017 was the most recent model year and the base price was around $93k while the GTS went for around $110k and ACR model $120k.
There have been rumors of it's return circulating the past few years, with a new 2022 model sporting a V-8 as opposed to the previous V-10 and a price tag as low as $90k and as high as over $130k.
We'll have to wait and see. For now, you'll have to settle for a used one, if you can find it. There may even be a few 2016 and 2017 models floating around which were never purchased, so technically a brand new car but still 4 years old.
"Man, you're pretty quick with the stick" lol. Always a pleasure to wake up to one of your videos to start the weekend off! Keep up the great work.
thanks brew ✌️
Back when cars were still built right! But really a true testament to how important gear ratios are!The Vipers have always pulled strong in 3rd gear.
Loved the Viper since it's introduction.
This gave me flashbacks to the mid 2000s when my buddy who was driving and me in the passenger seat got to race a supercharged viper in his 500 hp bigish turbo (gt3782r) SRT4 that night running on c16 and the boost turned up allitle past where he made (26lbs that night 22 on the dyno) the 480whp 500ft lb of tq . We surprisingly from a 30 mph roll pulled on the viper till about 120 but between 120 and 140 he reeled us in and passed us. He then asked us to pull over at the gas station in a few miles and us mopar guys talked for like 20 minutes he was a super cool guy and gave us huge props that the 4 cylinder was able to jump him like that. Sadly that car got totaled a few years after that by a drunk driver hit and run.
Sounds like a guy named demarco
Yeah that did not happen🤣🤣 "us mopar guys"
Kermit typing GIF comes to mind.
Miss my SRT4. Had it for 14 years. Traded it for a Chevy pickup with an L33, then soon after it was also totaled.
@@katdaddy469 yea that always sucks. My buddy had a BMW that got side swiped by a semi-truck and the asshole kept going. Dude could have died but thankfully theres an air bag and a guard rail.
didn't expect that outcome against the challenger. Awsome to see !
Challengers are REALLY heavy. 700lbs or so more than that Viper. More drag too.
Yeah, they are literally called boats for a reason lol, I think the hellcat might be able to stick along for a little longer against the viper
@@samlung2724 A hellcat will obliterate the old Viper, just by virtue of having a lot more power. Even if the Viper gets the jump, once the speed increases power to drag trumps power to weight and it'll pull away effortlessly.
@@yucannthahvitt251 You would think that but the Challengers weight still comes into contention... it slows it down on initial acceleration keeping it at the gate longer than the Viper. Then once it gets going, the Viper has a similar drag coeff with a MUCH smaller frontal area. So in the gap between 30mph and 60mph the Hellcat will make up ground... but then once you get to 80 and up, the Hellcats advantage falls off again to the point that in a 1/4 mile it would actually trade blows with a Viper and a very skilled driver. Best time ever recorded in a bone stock second gen Viper is an 11.7s run. Best time Dodge could manage with a Hellcat was 11.2s run. So not as big of a gap as one would expect... even the slightest loss of grip could spell a will for the Viper. Granted if we keep running after the 1/4 mile, the Viper starts to fall off around 150 while the Hellcat will still be pulling pretty well up to about 170 where it will start to struggle... in the end both cars end up pretty close to 200 with the Hellcat supposedly being able to actually edge over 200 and the Viper falling short at about 185. So given all of that... I don't know about the whole "pull away effortlessly bit. The Hellcat has really gotta fight for that win and stay in it for the long haul.
@@MrRadicalMoves You just wrote a whole lot of words just to in the end say what I said - a hellcat would smoke a viper on the top end due to its power advantage... Plus you were wasting your breath, I was only responding to the inane suggestion that a hellcat would "hang on" to the viper in this same scenario. Half a second faster than "best time ever recorded" is indeed pulling away effortlessly. If you've ever drag raced, you know that 0.5s gap in a 1/4mi is at least 2 car lengths if you leave at the same time. Over a half mile you'd be probably 7+ car lengths behind. Bone stock hellcats have broken into the 10.9s. Hellcats are a joke in the roll racing scene because coyote mustangs keep up with them NA for a little more than half of the price.
Great video. Viper still impresses. You can drive the hell out of it too!
Always loved the Vodge Diper!!
Lost it when you talked about eating a sandwich between gear shifts 😂
That shit made me literally lol
Me too....I literally laughed out loud🤣
Especially with crumbs and meat falling on the center console! 🤣
I busted out laughing too!
This was a dope video.
Showing that this car still performs over 20 years later.
Still a huge fan of the 1st generation viper 😍 (not saying this particular one is I just love them)
The front end is nothing but a work of art but what I don’t like are the tail lights
Such a huge fan that you don't know it's a second-generation Viper.😍
@@deejayimm such a huge fan that I never said this specific one was a 1st gen 😍 only that my favorite is.
(Reading is hard)
@@X7rocks I had a real good "your mom" joke lined up, but I quit using those a few years back.
@@deejayimm quit while your ahead.
Awesome video. I love the viper so much.
Since i am 90’s kid, my fav car was Viper GTS on Test Drive 5. i am glad this game introduced me to this beauty.