@@johnstamw thank you. I really like your clean brown color tone but prefer a little lower contrast. So if I use your standard luts with eterna, I would archive an overall flatter image right? ;)
Both options are good, but the way you interpreting f-log won’t give you maximum dr. It will replicate eterna mode if you use f-log to eterna lut, that’s why they look so similar. If you’d like to pull more dr with this workflow, you can try to create another node before lut and pull down highlights. But if you want to get maximum dr out of xt3, use f-log and color space transform tool in Resolve. It needs right settings, but the result is noticeably wider dr, about 11-12 stops without clipping.
Hey Dmitriy, is there any resource you could share that explains how work with with color space transform? I'm interested specifically in the"right settings" part you were speaking about.
Not really, you wining dynamic range for sure, maybe half of a stop but you're loosing a lot of the colour information in the process and due the log curve adding tons of noise too, also nailing the exposure it's a huge pain compared to a standar profile. If you know what kind of mood or tone you want to achive it's better to stay with the internal.colour profiles or even better set your own profile
i shoot a lot in f log, and just now im trying eterna. i think eterna is super good profile, it gives very nice base to work faster post grading. But in my experince if u shoot the same scene, and then covert flog to eterna and u boost shadows and bring down highlights, both to the max and turn image to monochrome (BW), u will notice that with flog u get A LOT more information both in highlights and shadows. In my opinion Eterna is super good for weddings kind of things. F log is for more detailed and for more information work. Im loving your videos, keep up bro :D
I've played around with different dynamic range options too but I always come back to hlg as I find it gives me the most natural base to work from and is easier than log for shooting with.
You can really see the autofocus hunting around by looking at the digital clock in the background. Sometimes it suddenly jumps into focus. It's interesting how those little adjustments from small movements in the front impact the background sharpness.
It didn't, really. It's just a funny detail that just couldn't go unnoticed. Keep up the work. If anything, it's a judgment of the camera's autofocus, which you have nothing to do :P.
Great video, I use 200% with eterna if I don’t have an ND filter. But if my project is purely filmmaking based then 400% seems to really match flog or give better dynamic range. I recently did an interior shoot and thought I’d go the extra mile and use flog. The dynamic range was worse! Also, being able to see my image without having to guess with graphs is super nice
So dope. This might be the first camera where I actually use one of the in-camera profiles instead of just defaulting to log! Thanks for testing-was curious about this for the longest. I wonder if Classic Chrome would yield as good of results?
John Stambaugh i sure will. Just subscribed. Did u also have the same settings for highlight & shadow tone (-2) in Eterna like u do for the Classic Chrome profile?
It's very helpful. I love Flog really, but for run'n'gun or handheld family and friends stuff without a monitor, it's just too hard to expose and white balance correctly (without the assist, am on an XT3). So, Eterna DR400 it is then, I had a feeling it was gonna be actually very capable after just running a few tests !
@@johnstamw The transition of light was actually very sudden and not smooth. I could hear clicky noises in the len when light changed. I don't know if it's because of my len.
@@johnstamw try aperture priority and auto shutter AND auto iso, that way the camera has many more combinations to choose from. It completely eliminated brightness stepping for me in videos
@@johnstamw and on a further note about shutter speed in videos as a rule of thumb being 2 times the frames per second: this rule only applies to framerates around or below 30. At 50 or 60 fps, you don't have to adhere to this rule, actually the slight motion blur at high frame rates is disturbing and creates the sense that your eyes cannot focus well enough on the fast-moving scene. So, at high fps, it is even advisable to use auto shutter than a fixed one.
Hey John, I'm starting to try shooting on F-Log with my xt4. When I bought it I did'nt know that the native iso for f-log was 640. By your experience, is a 9 stop vnd filter enough?! I mean, I tryed outside at 8am with a 35 mm at 2.8 with a 8 stop nd filter and the high lights are burned! What do you think?
Hey Nicolas, I'm sorry I'm late here and honestly I don't know that I'm the most qualified for the answer because I often choose to just compensate with the shutter and break the 180 rule.
do all intra has good quality than long gop ?. if no than why should i choose dci 4k 24fps all intra over long gop . and why should i shoot at 400mbps do i really need or 200mbps is enough. ?? sorry for my bad english . from india
7:25 I've always over exposed by one full stop when shooting F-Log. It just works out cleaner. Also, I'm going to start shooting Eterna DR400 for my wedding work now. I'll be ditching F-Log for Weddings specifically.
Hello! Really awesome content. Could you please tell one thing. I am a run and gun shooter, I do a lot of Promotion music videos, promotional video gigs, weddings and real estate videos. I’m planning to upgrade to a 4k 60p Camera like and I’m confused if I should buy Xt3 or BMPCC 4k. As I’m worried if I buy Xt3, I will have to buy a new computer as BMPCC 4k Raw is so smooth to edit on my machine. I have a 4th generation quad core i7 with 16gb Ram and 2gb Nvidia 960m Video Card. Do you think I can edit 4k 60p on this machine ? Really appreciate your time to answer.
John Stambaugh hey thanks so much John for your reply. How about proxy, did you use them ?I mainly use Resolve for editing. I’m definitely leaning towards Xt3 recently due to the auto focus and Raw Bmpcc is crazy big file sizes. Also do you rely on the auto focus on Xt3 with the sigma 18-35 (fringer). Really means a lot. Thank you
John Stambaugh Hi John, thanks a lot. Yes I downloaded the footages. So I found two folders there in the download link, one folder named Ninja V and the other names Xt3 footage. However, I uploaded all the footages on da Vinci Resolve and I found out when I put the Ninja V footages on the timeline, it shows that it’s Apple Prores 422. Did you transcode it ? Anyways, the Apple progress footages played like butter on my machine. Also if I transcode the h265 to Apple prores 422, do I lose quality ?
Hey John. The color of your videos look very good. It's brown but not dirty and dark. How do you archive that please?
@@johnstamw thank you. If I shot with eterna film sim and for about 400% dr. Which of your luts would be the most suitable please?
@@johnstamw thank you. I really like your clean brown color tone but prefer a little lower contrast. So if I use your standard luts with eterna, I would archive an overall flatter image right? ;)
Both options are good, but the way you interpreting f-log won’t give you maximum dr. It will replicate eterna mode if you use f-log to eterna lut, that’s why they look so similar. If you’d like to pull more dr with this workflow, you can try to create another node before lut and pull down highlights. But if you want to get maximum dr out of xt3, use f-log and color space transform tool in Resolve. It needs right settings, but the result is noticeably wider dr, about 11-12 stops without clipping.
Hey Dmitriy, is there any resource you could share that explains how work with with color space transform? I'm interested specifically in the"right settings" part you were speaking about.
@@johnstamw thanks a lot John!
Not really, you wining dynamic range for sure, maybe half of a stop but you're loosing a lot of the colour information in the process and due the log curve adding tons of noise too, also nailing the exposure it's a huge pain compared to a standar profile. If you know what kind of mood or tone you want to achive it's better to stay with the internal.colour profiles or even better set your own profile
i shoot a lot in f log, and just now im trying eterna. i think eterna is super good profile, it gives very nice base to work faster post grading. But in my experince if u shoot the same scene, and then covert flog to eterna and u boost shadows and bring down highlights, both to the max and turn image to monochrome (BW), u will notice that with flog u get A LOT more information both in highlights and shadows. In my opinion Eterna is super good for weddings kind of things. F log is for more detailed and for more information work.
Im loving your videos, keep up bro :D
Yes, I'm trying using eterna and with dr400 is what I like the most too
Did u tried hlg?
Well. I never tried yet my self. But same people say that hlg is the sweet spot between f log and eterna
I've played around with different dynamic range options too but I always come back to hlg as I find it gives me the most natural base to work from and is easier than log for shooting with.
Check my work on Instagram @jonatasxguedes if u have time 👍
You can really see the autofocus hunting around by looking at the digital clock in the background. Sometimes it suddenly jumps into focus. It's interesting how those little adjustments from small movements in the front impact the background sharpness.
It didn't, really. It's just a funny detail that just couldn't go unnoticed. Keep up the work.
If anything, it's a judgment of the camera's autofocus, which you have nothing to do :P.
Nice man. Glad you got the same results I did.
Ay man was that just eterna or eterna cinema and did you punch down highlights, shadows, sharpness, colour, nr etc?
Great video, I use 200% with eterna if I don’t have an ND filter. But if my project is purely filmmaking based then 400% seems to really match flog or give better dynamic range. I recently did an interior shoot and thought I’d go the extra mile and use flog. The dynamic range was worse! Also, being able to see my image without having to guess with graphs is super nice
So dope. This might be the first camera where I actually use one of the in-camera profiles instead of just defaulting to log! Thanks for testing-was curious about this for the longest. I wonder if Classic Chrome would yield as good of results?
John Stambaugh i sure will. Just subscribed. Did u also have the same settings for highlight & shadow tone (-2) in Eterna like u do for the Classic Chrome profile?
John Stambaugh wow, those are amazing results. Appreciate the info!
It's very helpful. I love Flog really, but for run'n'gun or handheld family and friends stuff without a monitor, it's just too hard to expose and white balance correctly (without the assist, am on an XT3). So, Eterna DR400 it is then, I had a feeling it was gonna be actually very capable after just running a few tests !
hey , what specs do you have on your macbook to edit xt3 footage smoothly ?
Do you have exposure ramping when using 18-55m kits len?. I just bought XT3 yesterday and the exposure ramping always occurred when I zoomed in or out
@@johnstamw I tested at f/4 and the exposure still decreased when i zoomed in. It's strange.
@@johnstamw The transition of light was actually very sudden and not smooth. I could hear clicky noises in the len when light changed. I don't know if it's because of my len.
@@mackien1234 you gotta be in aperture priority mode for video shooting. What you are describing is clearly the auto aperture taking steps
@@johnstamw try aperture priority and auto shutter AND auto iso, that way the camera has many more combinations to choose from. It completely eliminated brightness stepping for me in videos
@@johnstamw and on a further note about shutter speed in videos as a rule of thumb being 2 times the frames per second: this rule only applies to framerates around or below 30. At 50 or 60 fps, you don't have to adhere to this rule, actually the slight motion blur at high frame rates is disturbing and creates the sense that your eyes cannot focus well enough on the fast-moving scene. So, at high fps, it is even advisable to use auto shutter than a fixed one.
Hey John, I'm starting to try shooting on F-Log with my xt4. When I bought it I did'nt know that the native iso for f-log was 640. By your experience, is a 9 stop vnd filter enough?! I mean, I tryed outside at 8am with a 35 mm at 2.8 with a 8 stop nd filter and the high lights are burned! What do you think?
Hey Nicolas, I'm sorry I'm late here and honestly I don't know that I'm the most qualified for the answer because I often choose to just compensate with the shutter and break the 180 rule.
Really useful test! Would you be able to try raising the shadows on both to see if there's more noise in one or the other?
do all intra has good quality than long gop ?. if no than why should i choose dci 4k 24fps all intra over long gop . and why should i shoot at 400mbps do i really need or 200mbps is enough. ?? sorry for my bad english . from india
7:25 I've always over exposed by one full stop when shooting F-Log. It just works out cleaner. Also, I'm going to start shooting Eterna DR400 for my wedding work now. I'll be ditching F-Log for Weddings specifically.
So just to clarify, this were both shot H264 8bit?
Hello!
Really awesome content.
Could you please tell one thing. I am a run and gun shooter, I do a lot of Promotion music videos, promotional video gigs, weddings and real estate videos. I’m planning to upgrade to a 4k 60p Camera like and I’m confused if I should buy Xt3 or BMPCC 4k. As I’m worried if I buy Xt3, I will have to buy a new computer as BMPCC 4k Raw is so smooth to edit on my machine. I have a 4th generation quad core i7 with 16gb Ram and 2gb Nvidia 960m Video Card. Do you think I can edit 4k 60p on this machine ?
Really appreciate your time to answer.
John Stambaugh hey thanks so much John for your reply. How about proxy, did you use them ?I mainly use Resolve for editing. I’m definitely leaning towards Xt3 recently due to the auto focus and Raw Bmpcc is crazy big file sizes. Also do you rely on the auto focus on Xt3 with the sigma 18-35 (fringer). Really means a lot. Thank you
John Stambaugh Hi John, thanks a lot. Yes I downloaded the footages. So I found two folders there in the download link, one folder named Ninja V and the other names Xt3 footage. However, I uploaded all the footages on da Vinci Resolve and I found out when I put the Ninja V footages on the timeline, it shows that it’s Apple Prores 422. Did you transcode it ? Anyways, the Apple progress footages played like butter on my machine. Also if I transcode the h265 to Apple prores 422, do I lose quality ?
I'm getting a lot of noise in my F log footage, anyone know what how to fix it? I'm sure it was the exposure(my doing).
@@johnstamw thank you so much, very appreciative.
It is original Eterna with only DR400, or DR400 plus you made additional corection like Low -2 High -2 and color -2? :)
Honestly this has been a long time ago now so if I don’t mention it in the video then I’m not sure, sorry!
Any suggestions on the best external monitor for XT3 that has false color? Thanks!
Set playback speed to 1.25 and thanks me later!
@@johnstamw It's a great video man...