Haven’t watched the video yet, but my hope is that we have more stuff like this. Valve may not have the juice to do TF2 stuff themselves, but if we get more updates like these, then TF2 can continually get more people in.
i think the tf2 community is burn out and need to take a break seriously because tf2 is more fun when you Want to play it, i play tf2 when i wish to play it now a days i play Ultrakill just to have a breath of fresh air and tf2 sillyness is still fun when you want to play it
10:35 Please , PLEASE mention the selfharm bug with reflected pipes. No one is talking about this. I got blown up so many times while i was trying to defend my fellow engies.
My theory for why it doesn't FEEL like previous years is because it's not really Valve doing much. 80-90% or more of what we get is from community in some way. Don't get me wrong, I love the community and how creative the community has gotten recently but Valve hasn't been reflecting that. To most, that's not anything new. It doesn't FEEL like much is happening even though there has been a LOT of stuff that has happened, like the player count just getting higher and higher. I'm not 100% sure of how to describe it but it feels like a school project and the 'team leader' is sick or just isn't doing their part. You can still get stuff done just as well as you could with their help but it just doesn't feel the same. We, as a community, are continuing to work and make great things but our 'leader' isn't. That's just my take though.
@@BComet I was just about to comment that. A billion dollars and 200+ employees and only one guy "working" on the game. They're too busy making porn games invisible. Fugg Valve. There's no excuse for anyone, ANYONE defending them.
For christmas did they didnt make christmas stuff. Only halloween had offical stuff you can kill a guy on. Imo mecha engie doesnt count as a Christmas update.
From someone who's been playing since 2018, updates like this are bittersweet. After so many years of so little in terms of weapons/balancing/game tweaks, even seasonal content updates like these with great hats and interesting maps just feel like we're being drip-fed. They have workshop content and fixes, but all we get is maps and hats. It's sad. I'm sad.
Tf2 feels like call of duty, or assassin's creed. Sure, its one game instead of a series, and yeah its much better, but its still a hollow shell of what it used to be.
Valve simply need to hype things up more. Remember when we used to get an update page for just 1 new map with 2 variants (mountain lab / mann manor)? Remember when Sniper vs Spy pages were revealed 1 day at a time for over a week? Modern updates have enough new and unique content to build an update page around, Valve just can't bother with it. I mean, we've got *VERSUS SAXTON HALE* this Summer and Valve didn't bother to capitalize on that and hype it up?
Wait, Galleria is a reskin of Nucleus?! They did such a good job I thought it was a totally new map. Also the custom announcer for it is absolutely perfect.
I agree that something with the game/community feels off lately It's so ironic that we've been given so much attention and so much stuff compared to other years, but the player count is dropping and the hype seems to have been lost I'm not sure what to say about it honestly
Possibly community burnout? There was huge huge hype from #SaveTF2 and then the Summer Update, and afterwards we've been getting A LOT of new content, especially maps. Compared to the years immediately following Jungle Inferno where we were mostly just idling with what we had, the past six months or so could just be the community being fed too much too quickly and we can't digest it all. Especially when none of it is really much interesting to discuss like balance changes, it's just 'content'. I would honestly be happy with half as many maps and unusuals being added. Just my theory though.
My guess is that people have given up on hoping that tf2 would return to its former glory or at least valve would start giving a shit about it, every single one of these events has been almost entirely community made stuff simply picked out from the workshop and people are tired of waiting for valve and community passion can only run for so long when the devs have none
I'm of the opinion that we need more QoL and bug fixes, less new content. At what point does a game have too many unpopular maps? Too many similar cosmetics? The only hats I'd like to see would be the absent pieces of sets that Valve never added. Otherwise, I'd be perfectly cool with no more cosmetics ever being added.
It's that Summer blog post man. Everything was so promising for the future. Then boom this. Bots are still hanging around. OP/UP weapons will still be as is which is a problem. Newer maps are cool but most just feel unbalanced and some are just lazy reworks. Unusual effects are all the same looking and uninspired mess. Cosmetics and war paints are really the only thing people are WORRIED about in these times. There is no longer hype about anything.
@@FatsaverIt's the Summer update blog post that people misinterpreted, hyped themselves up over, then Valve added a clarification, and then everyone lost their shit. Like, I don't know why people expected anything else. Are they stupid?
I believe it was Tyler McVicker that confirmed the reason they didn't use community fixes is because TF2's spaghetti code is so bad, most of the fixes they received actually broke something else, and they didn't have time to figure out why. Which makes perfect sense, even if it's very disappointing. Think he also said Valve was looking to try the idea again, just with more direction and clarification to people making the fixes.
I mean if you’re writing a code fix for say giving the other revolver bullets to leave the cylinder, I highly doubt that single model is breaking it with how contained it is. With Community fixes I feel like the person themselves would’ve needed to test it out enough when fixing something in case something else breaks. Its how coding typically goes
What happened is that everyone working on community fixes did so in a vacuum. Unaware of what everyone else was doing. And they also didn't explain how to actually submit these changes in a way that the janitor could easily implement the fixes. So what happened is the guy either gets code that breaks something else along the way or doesn't work out of the box.
@@forple8930 Now seeing that yeah that does make sense. Surprised I didn’t think of that because thats a problem you’re bound to face in the modding scene
@@pshekchik Nah it's REALLY annoying to fight with Pyros just able to burn people at a distance since the flare can bounce around and ignite people even if the flare misses the target.
@@Kyezoar not really, bare firepower of firethrower is more annoying. And what now? Nerf the only consistent damage the class has? Tbf, I'd also rather nerf sentry abit (like radius or hp).
Autopilot is a good way of describing TF2 the last couple years. I've been using "hollow" personally, but autopilot is good as well. You hit the nail on the head though with your concern about each seasonal update being "bigger" than the last - there are just too many maps. Even *before* we got into this cycle of seasonal autopilot people were complaining about the game having too many maps, and this bloat doesn't help. I think Uncle Dane put it best when he said that new maps and cosmetics and whatnot are fine, but they're not the interesting parts of the game, the balance changes are. They're what stir the pot in terms of player creativity. But, that said, I also don't really think anything (at least weapon wise) really *needs* drastic rebalancing? Maybe a handful, at absolute most, such as the Enforcer, and that's only to fix a bug with the piercing effect. Don't get me wrong, I'll absolutely take these style of updates over no updates at all, but at the same time, they're hard to get enthusiastic about.
I think most people would agree with me here, as you said, I would give all the content in this update for a balance change. A real balance change. Like changing the BFB boost removed on hit from x -> y. I want to see a blog post. It could be just that and people would loose their minds. If it was even just a simple update like that. Imagine if they added a weapon. Imagination is exactly where it is though. I doubt that tf2 is ever going to get the source 2 treatment like CSGO. I doubt it will ever receive balance changes. It could happen, but it won't.
it's pretty much set to happen, i thought that was the plan with source 2 from the start, and that Dota 2 went first because it was the easiest to actually do an engine swap on. I'm pretty impressed with CS2, they even kept the 128 tick grenade lineups, and the rest of the stuff is being ironed out. TF2 is definitely the most complicated game to upgrade to source 2, but it's also important to Valve's overall business model, so it's going to happen. Adding weapons right before that would be silly. I come from CS, and I'm checking out TF2 lately and getting into hats, and it's just obvious, I guess. Hold on to your hats. lol
Camber is so broken that you can build sentries inside Red's first spawn that is also a Blue's third spawn... And also some teleporters that get you stuck UPD: They JUST released a patch that fixed spawncamping, that was fast
Yes, 2023 is the most content we've gotten in half a decade. But unfortunately, I can't say most of that content has been good. Quantity does not serve as a substitute for quality.
Finally! Somebody else saying how it seems Valve just seems to be trying to make these updates different by just adding more items/maps. It really feels like Valve is still trying to make updates look big buy just adding a lot of things from the workshop instead of, you know, making a big change to the game or doing something different. Also you do have to ask, how much would be considered too much? Because I feel at some point there's gonna be more Halloween/Christmas bloat in the game files than actual maps that we all can play year round. I feel that if Valve made something like a Spring Cleaning update that was mostly fixes like Team Comtress to the game + balance changes and only added a couple maps/items (hell they can remove a few bad maps), i would consider it more of an "update-sized" major update than the holiday updates we've been seeing.
I started in smissmass of 2020, it’s been a pretty cool year overall I’d say but to be totally honest it seems kinda like there’s not a real addressing of the actual issues?
I think the reason they don't add many community fixes is because when you're changing the code, each fix has a higher chance of breaking something else because not all the code is compatible and many write over the same spots.
since the whole “they can’t add the community fixes cuz they’re all based on old unusable code” thing was basically debunked by the ones that were added (or it was at least nullified for a majority of the submissions), that just seems real pathetic on Valve’s part i just find it funny that, with the whole VSH thing, they really stuck truer to “who knows what else?!” than the clarification edit.
I've been really hoping for Carrier and Hacksaw since Crasher and Bonesaw, two of my favorite Halloween maps, don't have any alternatives for the rest of the year. Very exciting to see them, though I do worry we may not get to keep them year-round. Last Scream Fortress we lost an entire game mode when the event ended, so it's a genuine concern.
Started playing in 2020 just after the bots became rampant but before major content creators were doing their whole "TF2 Is In Trouble" videos. I only have this metaphorical painting on a wall in a dimly lit room that reads "TF2's Glory Days" and seeing that era of tf2 get so much attention and praise makes me regret never getting to experience the game sooner. These past 3 years have been some of the most fun I've had with a free game I needed to pay 5 bucks for, and this new content looks incredible. I can compare my first ever match of tf2 to the first time loading into Crasher during the Scream Fortress event. That feeling of wonder and "what the hell is going on, this is awesome". I hope this game can at least get a spring cleaning update, because it's starting to become increasingly more obvious that Valve will just give a heartfelt "Thank You" blog post before shutting the servers down. We didn't even get the og voices for the official Saxton mode so I doubt we'll be seeing a true revival to the glory days.
I first started playing TF2 in 2018 and when looking at the updates we got in 2023 I am very happy with them! Sadly, we didn't get any weapon rebalances or major fixes to the bots, but I am grateful with the tons of new maps and game modes that were made!
The reason it feels so small is simple: Lack of advertising. When tf2 would get a big update like this valve would make a whole-ass sfm about it, or a community blog. They really haven't been advertising the tf2 updates anymore.
I mean I guess, but that is only because of the content we recieved by the community with specialty of VScript, and TWO members from Valve fully doing work on the game last summer just because they saw the community's passion for the game. It's still nothing compared to TF2's glory days which lasted years, and Valve was in full endorsement to even let the community create custom content for the game back in the day, this year has been like a diet version of that.
the unadded vsh maps just go to show what happens when a deadline dictates what your content is, rather than a passion. i without a doubt believe if you were to point out that they make em just to pump something out quickly for a deadline rather than taking their time to make something passionate, they would laugh and say no shit. half the talk before a seasonal event in the tf2 maps discord server are about how they need to rush an unfinished map because the deadline is upon them.
7:19 Abso-fricken-lutely! I don’t remember how old my account is but I started playing properly during the pandemic, meaning I was never around for Valve updates. This feels awesome! I’m hoping that Valve starts accepting community weapon *RESKINS* soon, so we get new weapons without Valve having to do balances - which I doubt they’d be willing to do. Accept those, start theming your selection, and maybe we could get back to the point of cool, themed updates! I can dream!
I'll be honest, the community is probably the thing that has been the most tiring thing with TF2 this past year, all the negativity and vitriol has just become a common trend, I'd likely love future updates where Valve can find a good balance, but the hatred towards the workshop creators and everything, it's just tiring and I'm considering just quitting TF2 man, there is too many maps, this and that, it just feels like positivity is so few and far between, people wonder why people have such a bad perception of TF2 youtubers, players, etc., but they can never look back at the division and everything they cause through all the tantrums, the state they cause the game to be in, cherry picking things, always looking at the worst. I love the game, the characters, everything, except for the current community, never wondering why things happen, always pointing fingers. It sucks, even I'm not exempt from pointing fingers, because I point them at those that spread negativity, because of all that it does, which is hardly much good in my eyes. It is saddening.
For someone who started playing in September 2021, this year feels pretty big. Granted, I have only a few years under my belt, but the summer update was really exciting, although I feel like there's an unfortunately high chance of tf2 updates stagnating and going downhill.
Spring is the only season for tf2 that doesn't have a holiday event. Perfect opportunity to make it a spring cleaning/community fix update or a community mvm update.
scream fortress is becoming a pain to play. I hate the contracts because the awful maps im forced to play and the good maps I have to play them so often I dont like them anymore, The gargoyle should be removed in favor of the gifts coming back, at least then I can play on the maps I want and im not forced to play all the 700000000000000 maps in 2 weeks.
As someone who has only started playing since 2018, this year definitely did seem like a lot better than previous years. Kinda sucks that we can’t play all the maps all the time but maybe that’s what makes them so special. It would still be nice to see SOME balance changes or maybe a new weapon, as someone who has never seen a new weapon and was too new to really be affected by blue moon I would really really want to see at least one new weapon. I’m sure more experienced players look at certain weapons with scrutiny because they’re new, but for me it feels like they’ve been there since the start of time. So it’d be nice to experience a new weapon.
Im a post Meet Your Match update player, i got to experience the hype behind Jungle Inferno in real time, and honestly, this whole year has been... *Surreal.* , from the incredible hype and fun i had for the summer update at first, to the reluctant agreement i had for the people wanting more, to the "eh, sure." Attitude i have currently for these new updates. If valve is only making these updates as an excuse for me to continue to play the game, than it's succeeding, even if it isn't the ideal case scenario, these updates will do in a pinch for a while at least imo.
Written at 7:40 I started playing in 2020 and do these updates in this year feel like a step up? Somewhat... for what updates should be today and what the last major update had this is still underwhelming. What I want and I am sure everyone else does is that we want to GET RID OF THE BOTS! That is what will make me go berzerk over new content. A game or even a valve game for that matter should not have bots. Its so much of a problem and there has only been small dips in bot activity before they go back to taking over the god damn planet. It just keeps bringing my spirits down and I'm now regularly taking long breaks from the game. I feel like I'm asking for a lot however this is how I feel. I wish valve did more than just stand and watch while they gain cash. Anyway sorry for ranting so much. If you read all of that thank you. Tomorrows my birthday which is in the next hour plus a few minutes. Have a great day everyone.
As someone who started playing in 2019, it definetely feels like a step up from previous updates, but it also doesn't feel as exciting as before. I started playing right after the unusual crate bug, the bot invasion, and free2plays like me no longer being able to use chat, along with the many mediocre maps for christmas and halloween we got. From that perspective, anything that isn't a game crashing bug will feel good in comparison. But at the same time, having seen tf2 content since long before i started playing, i've lost any excitement for these updates. I mostly play MvM or community gamemodes. Last time i played in the casual servers was exclusively playing the zombie gamemode. I remain hopeful for the future bringing true new content we haven't gotten since jungle inferno, but until that day arrives, i will mostly be looking from the outside looking in.
I’ve been playing TF2 since 2014. Until the bots are gone, I’m keeping it uninstalled. This has been going on for almost four years and I’m sick of Valve refusing to fix this issue.
Honestly I’m just hoping they fix some of the steam issues tf2 has. Steam market doesn’t load half the time, I was trying to vote on community unusuals effects but I can’t even sort by just unusual effects without it breaking entirely
The Turbine and Nucleus reskins should absolutely be de-smismassified and added to the main map rotation. They turned these two vaguely industrial locations with an unclear purpose into vibrant places that feel real.
I feel the same way tbh. Getting too many maps makes them feel less special in a way, especially when the game really needs fixes and balancing would be way more impactful than a new map. Idk man I haven't even played the new update yet besides opening my stocking and I'm just not really feeling up to it.
As a tf2 player who started playing around the blue moon update, this year certianly has felt like the first year where the main updates ACTUALLY feel "major" for the first time, at least for me because of things like the new krampus boss and vsh being added
I’m really pleased with the maps and cosmetics they added! I hope that Hacksaw, Brew, Krampus, Emerge, Camber, Haarp, and hell, even Galleria all stay in the rotation. They’re really fun maps, and I’d hate to see them go! They’re not too Christmas-y, so it could work! We do need more snowy maps in the permanent pool anyway, so this could do the trick.
I've been playing since meet your match on and off. And this year has made me wanna play tf2 more than any other year. I just wish we'd get thoes community fixes, some more bot banning and some buffs, nerfs, reworks and new weapons. Just giving each class ONE new weapon, even if they're not huge playstyle altering ideas, would still breath so much variety into the game
@@Sasha-zw9ss i agree, taking some of the worst weapons in the game and reworking them would basically be close enough to the same thing as adding new ones tbh
I would love to be wrong but I've already accepted that when it comes to balance and new weapons, TF2 is just done. Valve will still release new maps and cosmetics in the summer, Halloween and Christmas and they can be really fun, but that will be all really. Like you said, TF2 is now on autopilot.
I’ve only started after jungle inferno, winter of 2018-2019, in fact, so this definitely felt like a spectacular year in my eyes. I would like to see more valve made content, though. Weapons, comics, blog posts, just more stuff from their side.
4:49 STIFF??? They are literally waving their arms around just to show how skilled the animator is. Compare these taunts to ones made by valve you can see diffrent in ammount of effort in making the animation because they were ment to be simple animation that everyone easly recognises.
I feel like tf2 trailer animation quality shouldnt be same as taunts. crying mercs you can see that every body rig was moved to make it more over-dramatic. Not counting how long a taunt really should be when its like 10 seconds of mercs crying or drinking before they throw their cups or mugs to be playable again. I bet you can use sandman kill taunt and kill someone when they use that taunt due to ammount of animation was putted in to show how animators are skilled.
New maps are nice, but I have some questions with them. Why Krampus, despite being so big, can clip through short bridges? When I played Haarp first time many players were comfused and couldn't find control points for briefcases. Quick fix mefic is OP here as he can deliver intelligence alone while quickle heal themselves. I have weird feeling Carrier is badly balanced for attackers. In first phase giant robot has no crits at all, making him rather weak. Overall he can't be healed by mediguns (but by crossbow they can), Heavy can't use sandwich to heal himself, but Demo and Sold can use Half Zatoichi to heal themselves. They are very vulnerable to knockback and can be juggled easily by Loose Cannon Demos. Also why they have very deepened human voices instead of robot voices?
Weapon balances are the only thing that can get me excited anymore. 31 new unusual effects? I'm still only gonna be interested in effects added before 2015
Its soul crushing that they removed zombie maps from official servers, i really liked them. For some reason people forgot about those almost instantly. Hell, you didnt even mentioned them.
Its just... tf2 is an old game, according to steam I only started to play tf2 in august 2020. 3 years after the last major update at the time. So I can't really say if the update "feels different" But it certainly has A feel. Like a community content dump. A loosely packed, carelessly picked selection of items that was just dropped into the game on a set date. Its cheap, expected, not surprising, not genuine, and despite the fact that everyone knows what we wanted for an update (fix the game already) ITS NOT EVEN THE CORRECT THING!
I felt like the missing feeling from these updates are Valve not doing much about these updates. I'm glad that the community, even the official VAs, had to push them to do something about it. I'm guessing that's why they gave the coding of the Vscript to the community in the first place, before they selecting maps for their updates. Plus them not doing much on their end for each update, and not saying "HEY EVERYONE. WE UPDATED THE GAME!!!". It's more of "Hey. Go update your game or what not"
I definitely agree that tf2 needs polishing up more than new maps. I started playing in 2021 and there was a LOT of maps to learn, and weapons to try out. So many that, even 2 and a half years after I started playing, I still haven't learned all of the map layouts.TF2 has had 16 years of maps, weapons, and cosmetics, and I really feel like it doesn't need more content (aside from maybe an alternative heavy playstyle, idk). I've been saying that for a while. I've also been saying for a while (since CS2 was revealed) that Valve probably stopped working on TF2 because they needed everyone to work on Source 2 (first with Half-Life: Alyx and now CS2), and, that once CS2 was finished, we might see more care for TF2. Just speculation.
I've been playing ever since 2018. I wasn't around for TF2's "Glory Days". Although I wish I was, I can see where adding zombie infection, prop hunt, and VSH, while nice, ultimately isn't what we are looking for. When I play TF2 I almost instinctively play casual, which is my go to way to play TF2. New maps and modes are nice and all but, I just want the bot problem to be gone. This is the only FPS game that has kept my interest for more than 2 years, and it doesn't even receive massive yearly updates, and honestly, I don't care. The dream update for this game would be removing the bots and maybe some balance changes for the weaker weapons, and classes of the game. Adding filler content to a game with major issues is like putting a band-aid on top of a festering wound. Like, its nice, but it wont prevent disease. I've gotten to the point where I won't stop playing the game no matter what, and I'm along for the ride. The ride may be filled with developer neglect, bots, poorly made cosmetics, and a lack of updates, but I'm here for it. I love this game and will never stop playing it, and I hope at some point the game gets the hotfix everyone in the TF2 community has been dreaming of.
imo the summer update still the best update we got in term of community bloat updates. only like two bad maps and one bad cosmetic set. great warpaints collection other than two bad one. the summer update: 7/10 halloween update : 4/10 Smissmas : 5.5/10 i personally think we should stop adding cosmetics in both of the holiday updates and only 2-3 maps for each. and only get general themed cosmetics warpaints and maps for tf2 in non holiday update. keep summer update. add a new update in middle of the year (spring) that also tf2 general themed (around May and April or even push it to June) so in summary, 2 updates that fit tf2 and other two holiday updates that just add maps.
Tf2 definitely needs a bit of vertical expansion to shake up the game. New weapons and maybe some new MVM content/tweaks would go a decent way to refreshing up the game. By focusing exclusively on “horizontal” content (new maps and cosmetics), there’s not really much different about the game than what there was a year ago.
i started playing like 3 days before blue moon. all i want is an update in the vein of something like gun mettle. artwork, an update page, multiple days building hype before it dropped, and most importantly new items and balance changes. i remember watching old videos of people reacting to updates and thinking "man, can't wait for my first one. who knows what they're gonna add next?". that day never came. 5 stages hit me like a truck and now my obsessive phase has passed me by. i still love the game, but i'm not playing it every single day like i used to.
I've started playing in 2012 and I while I like the "autopilot", I wish they'd keep it smaller. It's just too many maps to really enjoy, if they keep this up we'll just get a huge load of "oh, what was this one again?" over the years. I've barely even played Scream Fortress this year and usually I spent the whole night just getting every contract done.
I started playing TF2 in 2014, after the Expiration Date realsesed. Like most people, I wish Valve would stop using the workshop as a crutch and put in work themselfs to actually fixing the game, but I that doubt that will ever happen at this point. The thing I miss the most though, are the Saxxy Awards! What happened to them? Is really that hard to do an annual event? Also if Valve plans on treating summer like another holiday event, could they atleast make them have differnet themes? Like a diet version of real updates? There is no effort needed the make a post at the start of the year that says "This years summer update will be X themed, start working". It would help differentiate each update insteed of them blending together like how Smissmas and Halloween have been.
As someone who started playing right as Jungle Inferno dropped, yeah this year FELT big, but I’ve never actually known a big update and got hyped back in the day for something as small as the Blue Moon update. Community fixes do seem like a great idea if Valve is gonna leave us high and dry
Hi. Post 2017 player here. This year does not feel big for TF2. I’ve seen what the updates used to be and these ones just feel like triple A style updates that dont care about the community. The only thing I’m excited about is the community fixes
*IN HALF A DECADE! But that's too long for a title! Also I suppose in terms of player count and even maps added then yes this year is the biggest.
Haven’t watched the video yet, but my hope is that we have more stuff like this. Valve may not have the juice to do TF2 stuff themselves, but if we get more updates like these, then TF2 can continually get more people in.
happy sismas jim love seeing that tf2 is getting content
i think the tf2 community is burn out and need to take a break seriously because tf2 is more fun when you Want to play it, i play tf2 when i wish to play it now a days i play Ultrakill just to have a breath of fresh air and tf2 sillyness is still fun when you want to play it
10:35 Please , PLEASE mention the selfharm bug with reflected pipes. No one is talking about this. I got blown up so many times while i was trying to defend my fellow engies.
My theory for why it doesn't FEEL like previous years is because it's not really Valve doing much. 80-90% or more of what we get is from community in some way. Don't get me wrong, I love the community and how creative the community has gotten recently but Valve hasn't been reflecting that. To most, that's not anything new. It doesn't FEEL like much is happening even though there has been a LOT of stuff that has happened, like the player count just getting higher and higher.
I'm not 100% sure of how to describe it but it feels like a school project and the 'team leader' is sick or just isn't doing their part. You can still get stuff done just as well as you could with their help but it just doesn't feel the same. We, as a community, are continuing to work and make great things but our 'leader' isn't. That's just my take though.
I think even if we'd been getting classic styled update pages, they'd feel more... tangible.
Not even 90%, it's straight up 99.8%. The only things Valve made for TF2 was a backdrop, a grill render and a couple of bugfixes.
@@BComet I was just about to comment that.
A billion dollars and 200+ employees and only one guy "working" on the game. They're too busy making porn games invisible. Fugg Valve. There's no excuse for anyone, ANYONE defending them.
For christmas did they didnt make christmas stuff. Only halloween had offical stuff you can kill a guy on.
Imo mecha engie doesnt count as a Christmas update.
From someone who's been playing since 2018, updates like this are bittersweet. After so many years of so little in terms of weapons/balancing/game tweaks, even seasonal content updates like these with great hats and interesting maps just feel like we're being drip-fed. They have workshop content and fixes, but all we get is maps and hats. It's sad. I'm sad.
Tf2 feels like call of duty, or assassin's creed. Sure, its one game instead of a series, and yeah its much better, but its still a hollow shell of what it used to be.
glad i'm not suffering alone.
I personally dont trust the community to fix the main stuff of tf2 without forking it.
Valve simply need to hype things up more. Remember when we used to get an update page for just 1 new map with 2 variants (mountain lab / mann manor)?
Remember when Sniper vs Spy pages were revealed 1 day at a time for over a week?
Modern updates have enough new and unique content to build an update page around, Valve just can't bother with it.
I mean, we've got *VERSUS SAXTON HALE* this Summer and Valve didn't bother to capitalize on that and hype it up?
I am personally a custom enjoyer but i been here since 2012 and they will have to shut down steam to stop me.
Wait, Galleria is a reskin of Nucleus?! They did such a good job I thought it was a totally new map.
Also the custom announcer for it is absolutely perfect.
Galleria is Nucleus but conusing as fuck and with like what feels 1 healthpack
@@dumbvillage9253you clearly were not playing the map
The announcer sounds like that one snail girl from monsters ink
@@demonx7130 I was thinking Venture Brothers
@@dumbvillage9253your name says it all 😅
I agree that something with the game/community feels off lately
It's so ironic that we've been given so much attention and so much stuff compared to other years, but the player count is dropping and the hype seems to have been lost
I'm not sure what to say about it honestly
Possibly community burnout? There was huge huge hype from #SaveTF2 and then the Summer Update, and afterwards we've been getting A LOT of new content, especially maps. Compared to the years immediately following Jungle Inferno where we were mostly just idling with what we had, the past six months or so could just be the community being fed too much too quickly and we can't digest it all. Especially when none of it is really much interesting to discuss like balance changes, it's just 'content'. I would honestly be happy with half as many maps and unusuals being added. Just my theory though.
My guess is that people have given up on hoping that tf2 would return to its former glory or at least valve would start giving a shit about it, every single one of these events has been almost entirely community made stuff simply picked out from the workshop and people are tired of waiting for valve and community passion can only run for so long when the devs have none
I'm of the opinion that we need more QoL and bug fixes, less new content. At what point does a game have too many unpopular maps? Too many similar cosmetics? The only hats I'd like to see would be the absent pieces of sets that Valve never added. Otherwise, I'd be perfectly cool with no more cosmetics ever being added.
It's that Summer blog post man. Everything was so promising for the future. Then boom this. Bots are still hanging around. OP/UP weapons will still be as is which is a problem. Newer maps are cool but most just feel unbalanced and some are just lazy reworks. Unusual effects are all the same looking and uninspired mess. Cosmetics and war paints are really the only thing people are WORRIED about in these times. There is no longer hype about anything.
@@FatsaverIt's the Summer update blog post that people misinterpreted, hyped themselves up over, then Valve added a clarification, and then everyone lost their shit.
Like, I don't know why people expected anything else. Are they stupid?
I believe it was Tyler McVicker that confirmed the reason they didn't use community fixes is because TF2's spaghetti code is so bad, most of the fixes they received actually broke something else, and they didn't have time to figure out why. Which makes perfect sense, even if it's very disappointing. Think he also said Valve was looking to try the idea again, just with more direction and clarification to people making the fixes.
Hm, Backup what you've wrote with a Source!
I mean if you’re writing a code fix for say giving the other revolver bullets to leave the cylinder, I highly doubt that single model is breaking it with how contained it is. With Community fixes I feel like the person themselves would’ve needed to test it out enough when fixing something in case something else breaks. Its how coding typically goes
What happened is that everyone working on community fixes did so in a vacuum. Unaware of what everyone else was doing. And they also didn't explain how to actually submit these changes in a way that the janitor could easily implement the fixes. So what happened is the guy either gets code that breaks something else along the way or doesn't work out of the box.
@@forple8930 Now seeing that yeah that does make sense. Surprised I didn’t think of that because thats a problem you’re bound to face in the modding scene
@@forple8930What i was thinking, i can totally see the pyro mains of coding forgetting normal people need to understand their code.
I really wish they'd change 1 or 2 weapons each update. They would totally be able to do that over the year.
My bits would be the Scorch Shot and Kunai.
At least with Vaccs, Melee isn't something that can be shielded
@@Kyezoar imo would be cool if using vacc uber made you take more melee dmg. Just a bit.
@@Kyezoar Idk, scorch is good as it is, but Kunai and deadringer i'd change
@@pshekchik Nah it's REALLY annoying to fight with Pyros just able to burn people at a distance since the flare can bounce around and ignite people even if the flare misses the target.
@@Kyezoar not really, bare firepower of firethrower is more annoying. And what now? Nerf the only consistent damage the class has?
Tbf, I'd also rather nerf sentry abit (like radius or hp).
Autopilot is a good way of describing TF2 the last couple years. I've been using "hollow" personally, but autopilot is good as well. You hit the nail on the head though with your concern about each seasonal update being "bigger" than the last - there are just too many maps. Even *before* we got into this cycle of seasonal autopilot people were complaining about the game having too many maps, and this bloat doesn't help. I think Uncle Dane put it best when he said that new maps and cosmetics and whatnot are fine, but they're not the interesting parts of the game, the balance changes are. They're what stir the pot in terms of player creativity. But, that said, I also don't really think anything (at least weapon wise) really *needs* drastic rebalancing? Maybe a handful, at absolute most, such as the Enforcer, and that's only to fix a bug with the piercing effect.
Don't get me wrong, I'll absolutely take these style of updates over no updates at all, but at the same time, they're hard to get enthusiastic about.
I think most people would agree with me here, as you said, I would give all the content in this update for a balance change. A real balance change. Like changing the BFB boost removed on hit from x -> y. I want to see a blog post. It could be just that and people would loose their minds. If it was even just a simple update like that. Imagine if they added a weapon. Imagination is exactly where it is though. I doubt that tf2 is ever going to get the source 2 treatment like CSGO. I doubt it will ever receive balance changes. It could happen, but it won't.
it's pretty much set to happen, i thought that was the plan with source 2 from the start, and that Dota 2 went first because it was the easiest to actually do an engine swap on. I'm pretty impressed with CS2, they even kept the 128 tick grenade lineups, and the rest of the stuff is being ironed out. TF2 is definitely the most complicated game to upgrade to source 2, but it's also important to Valve's overall business model, so it's going to happen. Adding weapons right before that would be silly. I come from CS, and I'm checking out TF2 lately and getting into hats, and it's just obvious, I guess. Hold on to your hats. lol
Camber is so broken that you can build sentries inside Red's first spawn that is also a Blue's third spawn... And also some teleporters that get you stuck
UPD: They JUST released a patch that fixed spawncamping, that was fast
Delfy moment
Yes, 2023 is the most content we've gotten in half a decade. But unfortunately, I can't say most of that content has been good. Quantity does not serve as a substitute for quality.
Finally! Somebody else saying how it seems Valve just seems to be trying to make these updates different by just adding more items/maps. It really feels like Valve is still trying to make updates look big buy just adding a lot of things from the workshop instead of, you know, making a big change to the game or doing something different.
Also you do have to ask, how much would be considered too much? Because I feel at some point there's gonna be more Halloween/Christmas bloat in the game files than actual maps that we all can play year round.
I feel that if Valve made something like a Spring Cleaning update that was mostly fixes like Team Comtress to the game + balance changes and only added a couple maps/items (hell they can remove a few bad maps), i would consider it more of an "update-sized" major update than the holiday updates we've been seeing.
I started in smissmass of 2020, it’s been a pretty cool year overall I’d say but to be totally honest it seems kinda like there’s not a real addressing of the actual issues?
I think the reason they don't add many community fixes is because when you're changing the code, each fix has a higher chance of breaking something else because not all the code is compatible and many write over the same spots.
since the whole “they can’t add the community fixes cuz they’re all based on old unusable code” thing was basically debunked by the ones that were added (or it was at least nullified for a majority of the submissions), that just seems real pathetic on Valve’s part
i just find it funny that, with the whole VSH thing, they really stuck truer to “who knows what else?!” than the clarification edit.
This thing is in autopilot, son
- Evil Engineer, 2016
I've been really hoping for Carrier and Hacksaw since Crasher and Bonesaw, two of my favorite Halloween maps, don't have any alternatives for the rest of the year. Very exciting to see them, though I do worry we may not get to keep them year-round. Last Scream Fortress we lost an entire game mode when the event ended, so it's a genuine concern.
Started playing in 2020 just after the bots became rampant but before major content creators were doing their whole "TF2 Is In Trouble" videos. I only have this metaphorical painting on a wall in a dimly lit room that reads "TF2's Glory Days" and seeing that era of tf2 get so much attention and praise makes me regret never getting to experience the game sooner. These past 3 years have been some of the most fun I've had with a free game I needed to pay 5 bucks for, and this new content looks incredible. I can compare my first ever match of tf2 to the first time loading into Crasher during the Scream Fortress event. That feeling of wonder and "what the hell is going on, this is awesome".
I hope this game can at least get a spring cleaning update, because it's starting to become increasingly more obvious that Valve will just give a heartfelt "Thank You" blog post before shutting the servers down. We didn't even get the og voices for the official Saxton mode so I doubt we'll be seeing a true revival to the glory days.
**interrupts Bush reading to children** sir, they've added a blu skin to the base jumper
I first started playing TF2 in 2018 and when looking at the updates we got in 2023 I am very happy with them! Sadly, we didn't get any weapon rebalances or major fixes to the bots, but I am grateful with the tons of new maps and game modes that were made!
The reason it feels so small is simple: Lack of advertising. When tf2 would get a big update like this valve would make a whole-ass sfm about it, or a community blog. They really haven't been advertising the tf2 updates anymore.
I mean I guess, but that is only because of the content we recieved by the community with specialty of VScript, and TWO members from Valve fully doing work on the game last summer just because they saw the community's passion for the game.
It's still nothing compared to TF2's glory days which lasted years, and Valve was in full endorsement to even let the community create custom content for the game back in the day, this year has been like a diet version of that.
Only one person fully works on the game, the second one is sometimes helping them.
the unadded vsh maps just go to show what happens when a deadline dictates what your content is, rather than a passion. i without a doubt believe if you were to point out that they make em just to pump something out quickly for a deadline rather than taking their time to make something passionate, they would laugh and say no shit. half the talk before a seasonal event in the tf2 maps discord server are about how they need to rush an unfinished map because the deadline is upon them.
7:19 Abso-fricken-lutely! I don’t remember how old my account is but I started playing properly during the pandemic, meaning I was never around for Valve updates. This feels awesome!
I’m hoping that Valve starts accepting community weapon *RESKINS* soon, so we get new weapons without Valve having to do balances - which I doubt they’d be willing to do. Accept those, start theming your selection, and maybe we could get back to the point of cool, themed updates!
I can dream!
I'll be honest, the community is probably the thing that has been the most tiring thing with TF2 this past year, all the negativity and vitriol has just become a common trend, I'd likely love future updates where Valve can find a good balance, but the hatred towards the workshop creators and everything, it's just tiring and I'm considering just quitting TF2 man, there is too many maps, this and that, it just feels like positivity is so few and far between, people wonder why people have such a bad perception of TF2 youtubers, players, etc., but they can never look back at the division and everything they cause through all the tantrums, the state they cause the game to be in, cherry picking things, always looking at the worst. I love the game, the characters, everything, except for the current community, never wondering why things happen, always pointing fingers. It sucks, even I'm not exempt from pointing fingers, because I point them at those that spread negativity, because of all that it does, which is hardly much good in my eyes. It is saddening.
Map reskins always seemed like a strange case to me...
For someone who started playing in September 2021, this year feels pretty big. Granted, I have only a few years under my belt, but the summer update was really exciting, although I feel like there's an unfortunately high chance of tf2 updates stagnating and going downhill.
Wasn’t aware that Valve spent time on CSGO/CS2 than TF2. I knew they did that with Dota 2 though.
the pyro set is a Kreigsman from warhammer 40k
Spring is the only season for tf2 that doesn't have a holiday event. Perfect opportunity to make it a spring cleaning/community fix update or a community mvm update.
Beside krampus and the kreig set for pyro it feels kinda mid
how long did it take you to draw that thumbnail? always like these update videos
That was very rushed! But I spent about 2 hrs on it last night and another 2 or so today. That's fast by my standards. I'm a VERY slow drawer.
@@SquimJimit looks very good considering the amount of time spent on it
scream fortress is becoming a pain to play. I hate the contracts because the awful maps im forced to play and the good maps I have to play them so often I dont like them anymore, The gargoyle should be removed in favor of the gifts coming back, at least then I can play on the maps I want and im not forced to play all the 700000000000000 maps in 2 weeks.
As someone who has only started playing since 2018, this year definitely did seem like a lot better than previous years. Kinda sucks that we can’t play all the maps all the time but maybe that’s what makes them so special. It would still be nice to see SOME balance changes or maybe a new weapon, as someone who has never seen a new weapon and was too new to really be affected by blue moon I would really really want to see at least one new weapon. I’m sure more experienced players look at certain weapons with scrutiny because they’re new, but for me it feels like they’ve been there since the start of time. So it’d be nice to experience a new weapon.
Im a post Meet Your Match update player, i got to experience the hype behind Jungle Inferno in real time, and honestly, this whole year has been... *Surreal.* , from the incredible hype and fun i had for the summer update at first, to the reluctant agreement i had for the people wanting more, to the "eh, sure." Attitude i have currently for these new updates.
If valve is only making these updates as an excuse for me to continue to play the game, than it's succeeding, even if it isn't the ideal case scenario, these updates will do in a pinch for a while at least imo.
I would love to play the new maps but they are infested with bots :(
Written at 7:40
I started playing in 2020 and do these updates in this year feel like a step up? Somewhat... for what updates should be today and what the last major update had this is still underwhelming. What I want and I am sure everyone else does is that we want to GET RID OF THE BOTS! That is what will make me go berzerk over new content. A game or even a valve game for that matter should not have bots. Its so much of a problem and there has only been small dips in bot activity before they go back to taking over the god damn planet. It just keeps bringing my spirits down and I'm now regularly taking long breaks from the game. I feel like I'm asking for a lot however this is how I feel. I wish valve did more than just stand and watch while they gain cash.
Anyway sorry for ranting so much. If you read all of that thank you. Tomorrows my birthday which is in the next hour plus a few minutes. Have a great day everyone.
As someone who started playing in 2019, it definetely feels like a step up from previous updates, but it also doesn't feel as exciting as before.
I started playing right after the unusual crate bug, the bot invasion, and free2plays like me no longer being able to use chat, along with the many mediocre maps for christmas and halloween we got. From that perspective, anything that isn't a game crashing bug will feel good in comparison.
But at the same time, having seen tf2 content since long before i started playing, i've lost any excitement for these updates. I mostly play MvM or community gamemodes. Last time i played in the casual servers was exclusively playing the zombie gamemode.
I remain hopeful for the future bringing true new content we haven't gotten since jungle inferno, but until that day arrives, i will mostly be looking from the outside looking in.
I’ve been playing TF2 since 2014. Until the bots are gone, I’m keeping it uninstalled. This has been going on for almost four years and I’m sick of Valve refusing to fix this issue.
Honestly I’m just hoping they fix some of the steam issues tf2 has. Steam market doesn’t load half the time, I was trying to vote on community unusuals effects but I can’t even sort by just unusual effects without it breaking entirely
The Turbine and Nucleus reskins should absolutely be de-smismassified and added to the main map rotation. They turned these two vaguely industrial locations with an unclear purpose into vibrant places that feel real.
Every since i started playing in 2020 this has been my favorite update
I feel the same way tbh. Getting too many maps makes them feel less special in a way, especially when the game really needs fixes and balancing would be way more impactful than a new map. Idk man I haven't even played the new update yet besides opening my stocking and I'm just not really feeling up to it.
As a tf2 player who started playing around the blue moon update, this year certianly has felt like the first year where the main updates ACTUALLY feel "major" for the first time, at least for me because of things like the new krampus boss and vsh being added
Why wood panneling is automaticly ugly? i preffer it to how modern malls look
I reinstalled, got called the N word a lot, got spawncamped, and then uninstalled
For some reason I play the Haarp map
Over and over again as the huntsman
brian damage
I’m really pleased with the maps and cosmetics they added! I hope that Hacksaw, Brew, Krampus, Emerge, Camber, Haarp, and hell, even Galleria all stay in the rotation. They’re really fun maps, and I’d hate to see them go! They’re not too Christmas-y, so it could work! We do need more snowy maps in the permanent pool anyway, so this could do the trick.
i swear if someone pretends as the t-1000 on the galleria i would laugh
I've been playing since meet your match on and off. And this year has made me wanna play tf2 more than any other year. I just wish we'd get thoes community fixes, some more bot banning and some buffs, nerfs, reworks and new weapons.
Just giving each class ONE new weapon, even if they're not huge playstyle altering ideas, would still breath so much variety into the game
I don't want new weapons that much. What we REALLY need is balance tweaks.
@@Sasha-zw9ss i agree, taking some of the worst weapons in the game and reworking them would basically be close enough to the same thing as adding new ones tbh
You called wood paneling ugly so you got a dislike, im sorry
I would love to be wrong but I've already accepted that when it comes to balance and new weapons, TF2 is just done. Valve will still release new maps and cosmetics in the summer, Halloween and Christmas and they can be really fun, but that will be all really. Like you said, TF2 is now on autopilot.
I’ve only started after jungle inferno, winter of 2018-2019, in fact, so this definitely felt like a spectacular year in my eyes. I would like to see more valve made content, though. Weapons, comics, blog posts, just more stuff from their side.
This year brought me back to playing the game regularly so success for me ig
4:49 STIFF??? They are literally waving their arms around just to show how skilled the animator is. Compare these taunts to ones made by valve you can see diffrent in ammount of effort in making the animation because they were ment to be simple animation that everyone easly recognises.
But they aren't waving their arms around?
And even if they were that wouldn't inherently make the animation not stiff.
I feel like tf2 trailer animation quality shouldnt be same as taunts. crying mercs you can see that every body rig was moved to make it more over-dramatic. Not counting how long a taunt really should be when its like 10 seconds of mercs crying or drinking before they throw their cups or mugs to be playable again. I bet you can use sandman kill taunt and kill someone when they use that taunt due to ammount of animation was putted in to show how animators are skilled.
in short. Too much animation looks like sfm trailer of tf2 and taunts are Too long. expect for foul play but its wrong sport.
What feels off is the bot problem. Simple as that.
I just want valve to give us stranges for weapons that don't have them like dragon fury, short-circuit and eureka effect.
Dude i love galleria!! Probably my favorite tf2 map
Valve needs to fix the bot problem.
day 4 of asking for bug busters to be back
Oh dear god please never play brew again
3:36 Getting Jarate'd in galleria turns the whole map into something very nostalgic for some reason
i miss the good old days when people would throw piss at me when i went shopping
Did you know you can get a really clear sniper sightline on Snowtower from inside the spawn?
Headed there to snipe from spawn as soon as I can.
I just want new weapons honestly
This year was very exciting
snowtower= machina hell
New maps are nice, but I have some questions with them.
Why Krampus, despite being so big, can clip through short bridges?
When I played Haarp first time many players were comfused and couldn't find control points for briefcases. Quick fix mefic is OP here as he can deliver intelligence alone while quickle heal themselves.
I have weird feeling Carrier is badly balanced for attackers. In first phase giant robot has no crits at all, making him rather weak. Overall he can't be healed by mediguns (but by crossbow they can), Heavy can't use sandwich to heal himself, but Demo and Sold can use Half Zatoichi to heal themselves. They are very vulnerable to knockback and can be juggled easily by Loose Cannon Demos.
Also why they have very deepened human voices instead of robot voices?
Weapon balances are the only thing that can get me excited anymore.
31 new unusual effects? I'm still only gonna be interested in effects added before 2015
Personally I'm just glad that "Attack the Flag" was officially added. It's a really fun fast paced gamemode. Atleast, usually it is.
Scream Fortress this year was actually really good.
Instead of just a bunch of forgettable maps with spell spam, we got a whole new game mode.
TFC medic vs tf2 medic
Its soul crushing that they removed zombie maps from official servers, i really liked them. For some reason people forgot about those almost instantly. Hell, you didnt even mentioned them.
They come back next October
@@reD_Bo0n i want to play them NOW, but all servers hosting them are permanently dead 24/7. Usually in us too with 250+ ping.
I'd take a whole year of no content if it instead meant a year focused on bug fixing and refining.
As someone who makes TF2 maps, the constant addition of maps is great :D
Tf2 should get a new developer team created by the community
the cosmetic cases and unusuals are the best one out of any smissmas
valve and the community took notes from last year and didn't add shitty hats
I haven't even gotten to try the new maps, every one I go into is filled with bots
I havent played tf2 with the smissmas update just yet, thanks for the video jim!
Not really
Not really
New update for Spring 2024: The Spring Cleaning update, featuring community fixes and balance changes and nothing else
Its just... tf2 is an old game, according to steam I only started to play tf2 in august 2020. 3 years after the last major update at the time.
So I can't really say if the update "feels different"
But it certainly has A feel. Like a community content dump. A loosely packed, carelessly picked selection of items that was just dropped into the game on a set date. Its cheap, expected, not surprising, not genuine, and despite the fact that everyone knows what we wanted for an update (fix the game already) ITS NOT EVEN THE CORRECT THING!
I felt like the missing feeling from these updates are Valve not doing much about these updates. I'm glad that the community, even the official VAs, had to push them to do something about it. I'm guessing that's why they gave the coding of the Vscript to the community in the first place, before they selecting maps for their updates.
Plus them not doing much on their end for each update, and not saying "HEY EVERYONE. WE UPDATED THE GAME!!!". It's more of "Hey. Go update your game or what not"
I definitely agree that tf2 needs polishing up more than new maps. I started playing in 2021 and there was a LOT of maps to learn, and weapons to try out. So many that, even 2 and a half years after I started playing, I still haven't learned all of the map layouts.TF2 has had 16 years of maps, weapons, and cosmetics, and I really feel like it doesn't need more content (aside from maybe an alternative heavy playstyle, idk). I've been saying that for a while. I've also been saying for a while (since CS2 was revealed) that Valve probably stopped working on TF2 because they needed everyone to work on Source 2 (first with Half-Life: Alyx and now CS2), and, that once CS2 was finished, we might see more care for TF2. Just speculation.
"Valve made a new grill model [...], so yeah, 2023 has been a pretty good year for TF2"
I know it's reductionnist, but damn that's hilarious
I started playing after 2017, I can gladly say, I loved both updates
I've been playing ever since 2018. I wasn't around for TF2's "Glory Days". Although I wish I was, I can see where adding zombie infection, prop hunt, and VSH, while nice, ultimately isn't what we are looking for. When I play TF2 I almost instinctively play casual, which is my go to way to play TF2. New maps and modes are nice and all but, I just want the bot problem to be gone. This is the only FPS game that has kept my interest for more than 2 years, and it doesn't even receive massive yearly updates, and honestly, I don't care. The dream update for this game would be removing the bots and maybe some balance changes for the weaker weapons, and classes of the game. Adding filler content to a game with major issues is like putting a band-aid on top of a festering wound. Like, its nice, but it wont prevent disease. I've gotten to the point where I won't stop playing the game no matter what, and I'm along for the ride. The ride may be filled with developer neglect, bots, poorly made cosmetics, and a lack of updates, but I'm here for it. I love this game and will never stop playing it, and I hope at some point the game gets the hotfix everyone in the TF2 community has been dreaming of.
WAIT GALLERIA IS A RESKIN OF NUCLEUS??? the map is so festivized I didn’t even notice lol
imo the summer update still the best update we got in term of community bloat updates. only like two bad maps and one bad cosmetic set. great warpaints collection other than two bad one.
the summer update: 7/10
halloween update : 4/10
Smissmas : 5.5/10
i personally think we should stop adding cosmetics in both of the holiday updates and only 2-3 maps for each. and only get general themed cosmetics warpaints and maps for tf2 in non holiday update. keep summer update. add a new update in middle of the year (spring) that also tf2 general themed (around May and April or even push it to June) so in summary, 2 updates that fit tf2 and other two holiday updates that just add maps.
Tf2 definitely needs a bit of vertical expansion to shake up the game. New weapons and maybe some new MVM content/tweaks would go a decent way to refreshing up the game. By focusing exclusively on “horizontal” content (new maps and cosmetics), there’s not really much different about the game than what there was a year ago.
>"2023 has been the biggest year for TF2 since 2017"
Yeah, and none of the additions were by Valve themselves. Who cares.
i started playing like 3 days before blue moon. all i want is an update in the vein of something like gun mettle. artwork, an update page, multiple days building hype before it dropped, and most importantly new items and balance changes. i remember watching old videos of people reacting to updates and thinking "man, can't wait for my first one. who knows what they're gonna add next?". that day never came. 5 stages hit me like a truck and now my obsessive phase has passed me by. i still love the game, but i'm not playing it every single day like i used to.
I've started playing in 2012 and I while I like the "autopilot", I wish they'd keep it smaller. It's just too many maps to really enjoy, if they keep this up we'll just get a huge load of "oh, what was this one again?" over the years. I've barely even played Scream Fortress this year and usually I spent the whole night just getting every contract done.
I started playing TF2 in 2014, after the Expiration Date realsesed. Like most people, I wish Valve would stop using the workshop as a crutch and put in work themselfs to actually fixing the game, but I that doubt that will ever happen at this point. The thing I miss the most though, are the Saxxy Awards! What happened to them? Is really that hard to do an annual event? Also if Valve plans on treating summer like another holiday event, could they atleast make them have differnet themes? Like a diet version of real updates? There is no effort needed the make a post at the start of the year that says "This years summer update will be X themed, start working". It would help differentiate each update insteed of them blending together like how Smissmas and Halloween have been.
As someone who started playing right as Jungle Inferno dropped, yeah this year FELT big, but I’ve never actually known a big update and got hyped back in the day for something as small as the Blue Moon update.
Community fixes do seem like a great idea if Valve is gonna leave us high and dry
As someone who started playing post 2017, yes! This year has been really great and enjoyable. I loved the summer update specifically.
Hi. Post 2017 player here. This year does not feel big for TF2. I’ve seen what the updates used to be and these ones just feel like triple A style updates that dont care about the community. The only thing I’m excited about is the community fixes
ive been playing since 2016. the modern updates lack punch, its pretty disappointing honestly