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Shelise is awesome and so are you!. Intelligent content with an opportunity to learn from others. And yes I was raised Mormon. I taught my kids differently.
I am a ex Mormon convert of 40 years. Finding out I was lied to about EVERYTHING left me very broken. These leaders know that they have lied to the world about everything. RUclips the excommunication of Jeremy Reynolds.
Dear Andrew, Excellent interview with an informative and very intelligent woman. Who is Emma Lum or Lund? I Googled her and couldn't find anyone cultish??
@@CultstoConsciousness My question is that since leaving the Cult of Josef Smith, have you abandoned the Christian faith altogether? Because that would be both tragic and sad.
@@morticiag hi! While I’m sure you have good intentions, categorizing and judging my life as tragic or sad, with no real understanding of what my life is like outside of a belief system, is actually the sad part. I do believe in God, but not the judgement day-follow my commandments- one you believe in. So maybe that might not make the cut for you to be happy for me, even if I’m a good person, have good intentions, and live a happy life. Loving people for being people is the type of unconditional love I speak on. Not conditional love and acceptance based on a man-made belief system.
Shelise is the best advocate for skin care without knowing it. No coffee or alcohol. Glorious skin! And a lovely personality with keen intelligence. Thanks for having her as a guest, Andrew.
Haha thank you, Lisa! Made me smile 😁 if I may be an advocate for celery juice 😂 I always had troubles with acne and after a year of straight celery juice every morning, it completely disappeared and started glowing. I’m sure the no alcohol helps too though 😜 thank you for your sweet compliments ❤️
I was raised Southern Baptist and back in the 70s we had a preacher said that if someone told you what they believed and it wasn't what you believed you should say , "LIAR, LIAR". I taught 12 year old girls in Sunday School and they asked if I would do that. I said, "no, because if someone is telling you what they believe is true, they are not liars. They could be wrong or misinformed, but not liars. To lie you must know the truth, believed and say something else to deceive."
Yay! Ive been looking forward to this, I adore Shelise! Im not an ex Mormon, but Im a survivor of an abusive Pentecostal commune/cult. I can really relate so much to exmos, exscns and exjws
Marilyn, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve experienced something similar to Shelise & others. Maybe reach out to her, as we’d be interested in hearing more about if, if you’re up to sharing your experiences. (Not everyone is, understandably so.) I recognize your name from SPTV! 💙
My heartfelt empathy to you Marilyn. There are NUMEROUS cult-like churches. I attended an Evangelical/Charismatic for over 20 years. I n November 2016 to present, I began to really see what the core members and the "olde boy" covering (in the name of their god) by weaponing bible scriptures. The "perfect purity ring oath" all the preteens took before a church dedication. It did not work at all. There was even a 14 year girl who got pregnant by a 17 year old youth group church leader's kids.
@@candyolson2871 there are so many spinoff Cults from Christianity because the Enemy of Christ does not want people following the Christ of the Gospel x
I am survivor of women and children sex trafficking . Unfortunately my son didn't survive . Law enforcement mastermind and manipulate his murder. I'm fighting for Justice .
Great conversation. What a eye-opener. Shelise is a breath of fresh air and I love her consciousness. Many of us go through trials and tribulations, good to see her come out smelling like a rose. 💜
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
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I love Shelise! I’ve never seen or heard of her before until this interview but she had me captivated. Shelise was able to tell her story of being put through terrible guilt, shame, fear and despair, with humour and honesty. She didn’t mince her words and her message was received loud and clear. I’ll be checking out her channel now. I did see your eyebrows raise twice Andrew when Shelise was recounting her experience with the bishops punishment for the oral sex incident, and she said her mind was blown 😂
Jo Jo! You’re so sweet! Thank you so much. I really appreciate your compliments. I never know how my frankness is being received 😂 some people are shocked at my blunt language and others appreciate it. So, thank you for your comments ❤️🙏
@@CultstoConsciousness you’re very welcome! It’s all true. Except the autocorrect that made it read “she didn’t mice her words” instead of mince. 😂 I got to fix that. Oh and the fake Andrew that replied too. 😂❤️
I'm not Mormon but I dont enjoy alcohol. It makes me feel unwell. I can have just as much without it than with it. I am also very smiley ... its contageous looking friendly. I see it whereever I go. Everyone wants to greet me and make small talk and the first thing I hear is. I LOVE YOUR SMILE.
I see myself in this episode SO much and I was raised a Southern Baptist. Sexuality is something heavily shamed in this religion and it has definitely been a huge hurdle for me in my adult life. I am also on my path to finding what I believe and how to experience it the best I can. Thank-you Andrew for such a great episode!
Although not raised a Mormon, I experienced conditional friendship and community as well. To me, the church community seemed more concerned with where my soul was headed, and not what I was suffering through in the here and now.
Tell your Atheist friend that you believe in Jesus and you don't believe in aborting or transitioning children, and see if their love for you is unconditional or conditional?
All these anomalies conditional this and that. My caring for others has no contract. It must be hurtful to be manipulated into these conditional activities. I stick to the do no harm mantra, I was gifted as a child.
my 83 yr old mother is mormon and her Calling in the ward JANITOR. yes folks, true story!! my 83 yr old life-long faithful mormon mother cleans bathrooms, vacuums, and takes the trash out every week all by herself. my dad helps her as much as he can but hes old too and has his own calling thats always demanding on time.ugh makes me soooo mad...i feel its a slap in the face to a woman who devotes her life and 10% of her income to this ridiculous church. they are certaining wealthy enough to hire a janitor, or give the calling to someone younger. booooooo the mormon institution.
I love that Morticia highlights that it's from Cults to Conciousness. Not just Mormon belief systems. That she wants recovery and to heal vs. hating her specific cult. Just sharing and understanding her story and how she felt means so much more knowing your not alone even if you arent in the same cult. Just love her message.
The creators of South Park lived in Colorado, in a high Mormon area, so they know a lot about Mormonism, but they are not Mormon themselves. Also, Song of Solomon has tons of sex stuff in it. Tons.
I’m listening to her talk about sex, this reminds me of my teenage yrs in the evangelical church. I was saving myself for marriage. Plus we were in church twice on Sundays, prayer meetings on Tuesdays, Bible study on Wednesday, young ppl on Friday’s. You were never in the presence of secular ppl. That’s a cult!
Is it just religion though? Look at the Woke Left with their gender confusion and transitioning their children because they believe "it's the right thing to do"? And atheist girls and boys doing porrn and Only Fans for the viewing pleasure of MEN of all ages.... Why do you think it's just Religion?
I'm so into this chick. I'm ex-Mormon, too and know ALOT about the Rules and Word of Wisdom stuff and she tells The Whole Story of the traditions. About the coffee thing (hot drinks), I would have said all that almost word for word!! Funny - I took up smoking and coffee when I left The Church. I'd always liked coffee, so I indulged. The cigs - It was rebellion at first but I like it, so... I don't much but it feels good. And we have the 'still don't drink alcohol's thing in common.!! Funny...😅 Good guest, Andrew. That was fun!!!!
Hey fellow apostate! Thanks so much! Happy to hear that. A few other people in the comments think I got it wrong 😂 but I’m always happy to be corrected on things.
I grew up basically an atheist in a Utah town that was 80% Mormon. It is always interesting to see people’s reactions to how weird Mormonism can be. I used to think Mormons said prayers before meals because they were afraid it was poisoned.
Some of what she said is true but not everything. I am a convert. I joined when I was 12 and my York sister was 15. I lived in New York for a year and a half when I was 7. Then we moved to Los Angeles/ San Fernando Valley. That is the area we were introduced to the church after visiting many other churches and finally talking with a Rabbi about how we grew up in South America being Catholic. Yet I knew my father was Jewish but didn’t realize that my mother’s family was as well. Yet knowing about the LDS Church was what felt familiar and at home for me. We go to church two hours on Sunday and yes we look in on each other and befriend others as part of our “church family “ does. I love and are friends with the ladies who visit me and I visit my ladies. They are now called ministering teachers and our families are visited by two men or a couple once per month to see if the family is doing well, health wise, if the father lost his job, the mother or kids are I’ll? If you’re in need of food, bills that need to be paid and you are having a difficult time, the Relief Society President is notified and she notifies the Bishop. He then gives the family a paper that has a list of foods, including plastic wrap, soap, all sorts of things the “Bishop’s Store House has and from there they either go shopping there or your order is filled and delivered. In the meantime the father can go to the Church Unemployment Office and volunteers there will help you find a job, help you with your résumé’s and if bills need to be paid the Bishop will pay that for you. You are expected to help at the Bishop Store House if you can, or other things you can contribute to with your time. Our Fast offering we give every first Sunday of the month goes towards the needs of the members when they need it. You can say no to a calling if you’re not able to do it. I’m grateful for the opportunity of preparing a talk and presenting it in Sacrament Meeting in front of the congregation on Sunday. It helped me no to be afraid of public speaking. We are taught to have savings of 6 months incase of an emergency, as well as a year supply of food for the same reason. I know I have been able to help a young family that went through their food supply and savings with food from my year supply. The programs that are available for the different age groups are invaluable and I see now more and more young people don’t know how to cook or do the basics of home prep. When my children were in Jr High they had to take a day out of the week and get a cookbook from my beautiful collection and we would not complain and eat what they cooked. I taught each of them how to do laundry. I would ask each of them to bring a cd of their favorite music and we would play it randomly between the four kids and myself. I always chose The Gipsy Kings. Then we all helped clean the house. It was a 4,000 sq ft house. Now, they all are great Chefs at home, they handle money well and live well within their means, have clean houses and do laundry well. My oldest son taught his wife to cook and many other things at home. They are all College educated and two middle boys have left the church but my oldest son and my youngest, only daughter, is still active. Thanks for reading my two cents.
“You had people that had conditional love for you”……gurl, I heard that. It hit me. Thank you! ❤ ~Fellow Jack Mormon 😂 (really a stolen Jewish baby, adopted into Mormonism & then found out and, well…..the rest is L’Chaim!😅)
Thank you, Shelise and Andrew, that was really interesting. I love Shelise's podcast, so I'm glad you 2 got together for this episode. I find it interesting that although I grew up in a different high control religion that I could still relate to most things discussed. ❤
Hi Alia! I’m happy you enjoy the podcast and this episode! I’ve been finding the relating to be true with a lot of people which makes me happy. Not that many people grew up in culty things, but that a conversation can be helpful to people across the board. ❤️
@Cults to Consciousness I agree I left over 20 years ago but I've only been listening to podcasts or speaking to others who had similar experiences in the past few years, and yet its still helpful all this time later. Thank you 😊
Handmaids tale was triggering. It seems they took a lot of things from different high demand religions and put them together as the religion in the show. She is right about falling into manipulation relationships after.
That’s exactly how the author came up with the many things you see in the series, everything was true at some point in time in some culture or religion
I left the church a decade ago, but I still know many good Mormons. I have known more good Mormons than bad. I will never believe their doctrine however.
This was truly one of the best former cult member interviews. I’ve been studying this topic for nearly 15 years. So much fodder to work with on many levels.
I don't do much alcohol. My Protestant, Christian family of origin drinks rarely. No reason was given. They just didn't. Then I went to a religious university. They taught it was bad & we could be expelled if caught drinking it. I do not have any religious objection to alcohol being used responsibly. But since my college years were spent not drinking, I feel like I missed out on that time of development when everyone learns about alcohol. Now I am 46, and I still rarely drink. I think alcohol tastes bad & is expensive. I'm not holy, I just prefer a Dr. Pepper. 😂 So I get Shelise not liking coffee. I became dependent and a fanatic about coffee in school after pulling late-night study sessions.
You missed out on wasted time, wasted money, wasted brain cells, overworking your liver, and possible addiction to a drug that truly destroys. I'd say what you really did is DODGE A BULLET. BE THANKFUL !!!! Americans act like getting inebriated is a right of passage, which does not say much for our society.
@@jasonk795 Yeah, I don't feel sad about it. I had a friend from this denomination where alcohol was not allowed. Her soon-to-be in-laws wouldn't come to her wedding shower because there would not be booze. I find that very sad. They could not enjoy themselves without drinking. At her wedding, there was a dry and alcoholic side of the building with the dance floor in the middle. Our side had a blast. We danced for hours with absolutely no shame. There were jokes, "The crazy part is that y'all are completely sober."
Andrew, I have enjoyed so many of your in-depth interviews, and really appreciate this discussion. I have learned so much following your channel. Thank you.
About the guys who used you: there is something I learned the hard way about people who've used a lot of psychedelics - they lose their morals and empathy, believing they know everything about the world and that its all there for their taking at everyone else's expense. Perhaps its a certain drug or mix, but I've seen that in all the people who bragged about how great drugs are for 'healing' and 'opening your mind'.
Fellow Utahn here (never Mormon) its funny that they don't "drink addictive substances" and yet almost every Mormon I know is highly addicted to soda. We have soda shops all over.
😆Like a pickle..... Andrew😂 I'm laughing so hard, it hurts. Also, my face is scarlet, 🥵 Love from Texas y'all 🤠❤️ P.s. great interview as usual, what an amazing story.
One thing I feel I MUST point out is this woman is from Utah. I've read lots of comments from exmormons from Utah and their experience is completely different from LDS in other parts of the country. In this town is a very good dental school and we get people from all over. We have two ways of describing Mormons from somewhere else. We ask are they Utah Mormons or California Mormons. By assigning them to one of the two categories we know what we're going to be dealing with. California Mormons are more laid back. Personally, I've only met one couple from Utah I liked and could be friends with. A lot of the things she is saying are "Utah Mormon" things. They have always seemed to me to be much more hard line and judgy. Just my .02
I agree. In Australia I had a close friend who was Mormon. I’m Christian and we respected our similarities and differences and got on with life. When she passed I met many of her church friends and they were all lovely and very friendly.
Hi! I can see that. Having lived in 3 states as a Mormon, I will say that the Utah Mormons where I lived were actually way more relaxed than the Oregon or Las Vegas Mormons. The bishop story from the young single adults ward was in vegas. However, if you are speaking about Provo Mormons (in Utah), then 100 percent they are the most strict.
I know what you mean. It really seems to depend on how immersed they can be in it. In Utah or southern Alberta, there are enough Mormons it can get pretty culty. If you live in a place where it’s just another church, there doesn’t seem to be the opportunity to become so immersed in it; you just are exposed to a lot more diversity.
@@CultstoConsciousness I don't really know where all of them coming and going from the dental school were from. I've been in the LDS church since I was 18 and I'm 61 now. I'm probably considered inactive now although I don't think of myself that way. I have a lot of health problems and just don't go anywhere much. I've been in the Young Women's presidency. Never heard anyone make the chewing gum comment. Don't really even remember a chastity lesson. Probably was one but not anything like you described. Been in RS presidency. Never heard anyone ever talking about being a good wife. The closest thing to that I can think of is emergency preparedness. I have two sons. They did not have yearly interviews. They were only interviewed prior to temple trips. Women wear pants here sometimes. Nobody cares. I have two ear piercings and have had since I was 18. I plan to reward myself and get a third if I lose weight. Are there churchzillias here? Sure. There are two ladies here I wouldn't cross the street to pee on if I saw them on fire. Do I not agree with some things? Sure. It's pretty common to question if a calling is inspiration or desperation. And I whole heartedly agree that anyone in a bishopric ought to have training. I think a abundance of people on this side of the Mississippi came from other churches or no church. Consequently we're not trying to play "who's the best Mormon." A Utah Mormon said something to my husband one time about his ancestors being the ones who crossed the plains. Know what hubby said? "Yeah and my ancestors were probably the ones shooting at them. What's your point?" Church, any church, is for sinners who feel in need of God's grace. Not for self righteous twats. Which, no offense, the majority of Utah Mormons I've met are. I'm sure there are plenty that aren't but they don't seem to venture out much.
Oh and when we hear them coming down on something in general conference, we're like what's going on out there that made them say that? Seriously, it's almost like two different churches that use the same scriptures.
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
I was raised JW & one of the many things that a non~no in that religion is tattoos. To this day I do not have a tattoo & don’t want one. I wonder is it just my preference or was it the way I was raised.🤔
OMG these guys are cracking me up with the soaking talk. It's so ridiculously funny. I'm kind of a prude when it comes to talking about S. Can't stop laughing at the look on Andrews face haha
Hey Andrew you should interview Mary Byler, an ex-Amish, who I just saw on Shalish’s show. She’s brilliant! Her story is rough but beautiful. A strong, competent and capable woman, despite all she’s been through.
10:51 i totally agree! The worst ill do on thc is eat too much and sleep, or clean. Alcohol will have me removing my shoes, sweating off my makeup, talking to ppl i shoukdnt, or running off to find sasquatch at 3am on a freaking island only to wake up in a random treehouse in the middle of nowhere wearing mens(i think) footed pjs!! Soooo yeahhhh.. ill stick to my thc thank you. Plus with it i can not take 8 of my 14 daily meds.
That was a very funny comment on alcohol's effects. But, gosh, I hope you were kidding about being on 14 daily meds! If not, I hope you find a holistic way out of those -- presumably prescription med -- requirements to maintain your physical health! And good luck with all that! 🙏💞☮
I am an Ex- Mormon. Most of my family, including my mom and her husband, are. My dear sister is...with endless callings. My mother, to my knowledge, has provided my email, and address to the church. I left for so many reasons,...the church is the one and only true church. Seeing Priesthood holders not supporting victims of crimes. Also, members that ether has done tithe...drink...or have affairs. It was easy to walk away after I saw the hypocrisy. Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament. In the New Testament Jesus taught only unconditional Love. So we can toss the whole Bible out and not be a dick and really love each other. I love this woman, she speaks to everything I grew up with. I so wish I could share any of this with my family. I would love them to hear the truth about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Ploigamy, the modesty issue, the colling issue, being Morally clean, the word of wisdom, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith doing divination, and marrying 14-year-old girls. So many crazy truths that are not talked about in the truth. Maybe someone being gang-raped spoke to a Priesthood member and Nothing was done. I too have sought help through Ahyauwska, Kambo, and Psylisiban. Still seeking and I am so thrilled to have the opportunity to hear you.
So good to hear you talk about the conditional love aspect. I'm a never-Mo living in Salt Lake City. Talk about a bubble. The shunning is a horrible trauma. We also have a very high suicide rate, I think in part, due to the demands and perfectionism, especially traumatic for the gay community. I've long wondered if the bishop's questions constituted voyeurism. There's so much that's so sick about these eligions.
Commenting before finishing- crochet sounds cool but I'm into that. The LDS kids in my high school used to meet before school started daily. Teens already have sleep trouble and school starts early- plus no coffee? That must have been hard for them.
I enjoyed your discussions. I was brought up Fundamentalist Christian and I remember that one poor woman had to confess openly to the whole congregation her sin (of dating a man who was not a Christian) so she could again partake of the sacrament. I was a teenager at the time and was horrified for her. I eventually left the Mennonite Brethren and have never looked back.
I was married the first time in 1991 (in the Mormon temple) & I was told on multiple occasions that oral was really sinful. I heard it frequently when I was an active “true believing Mormon” (TBM).
Also, most Mormons are completely blind to the actual history of the church. So, be patient when you meet a Mormon. Especially these poor kids they’ve forced out on a mission. I was born into the church and didn’t find this out until I was 43 years old. And even now, I am not free to speak openly living in Utah. So thank you to all the podcasters who are bringing a light to this.
Thank you for saying this. I feel like I have this comment on repeat for the TBMs who challenge me for not getting the facts right. So much is hidden from the members and outright changed to keep people from the truth.
So glad I'm watching this in the morning because every time I hear tea being discussed, I have a massive urge to drink tea. Guess what I'm drinking now!
Great interview! I didn't drink coffee until I was in my late 40's. I never liked it until my friend made me coffee with fresh ground beans and yummy creamer. I also don't drink alcohol often. I like a pina coloda or margarita with dinner, or a Kahlua and cream in the evening.
I always thought Mormonism was a cult decades ago, then it was accepted as a religion. Which I found fascinating. Especially when the Osmonds were mormons and they were famous and on TV.
In that Christian Church I just referred to it was also mostly a female Preacher who literally gave me the shirt off her back because I was freezing and homeless in a t-shirt and she had a nice comfy and warm hood on. I didn't even ask she was just that empathetic and the other Preacher was a Man who had been homeless just 15 years before living on the same streets with his wife and they'd also bring us chik filet breakfast sandwiches a couple times a week and his wife did free haircuts once a month and weekly brought Men's and Women's mini sized cleaning products for free out of there pockets and time for us. They gave back to the community and situation they were once in, if I wasn't so disabled I'd do the same. I used to take in women in need and homeless people down on there luck who just needed a helping hand back when I was capable of working but they made me want to do more, unfortunately that's not in the cards for me .
I'm not a Mormon, but I don't like coffee.(Love tea!) I don't drink alcohol. Communion in my church is grape juice and unleavened bread. Until now, I didn't realize I had things in common with Mormons!
I don’t drink coffee. I tried it once when I was 12 we were at the donut shop. My mom got up to use the restroom. I thought I was grown I took a sip I said never again and I’ve never drink it again.
As a Roman Catholic, I was taught to dress modestly when going to church and I lowkey judged whenever I saw someone wearing shorts or spaghetti straps XD
Damn Shelise, You are so cool and relatiable. Gee I never thought I would be able to relate to anybody on such a personal matter and you really doing a great service keep it up. Men treating women badly welcome to my life! But always remember nobody can treat you badly unless you let them most of the times.
I remember the 3-hour long sessions on Sunday back in the day. Fortunately we were what they called Jack Mormons (because my mom drank coffee and smoked cigarettes), and she didn't make us do all the stuff during the week. So glad! We moved across the country when I was 13 and she didn't make me go back to church, so I didn't and haven't since. I'm now 47 and they still knock on my door at least once a month. I have been very clear with them, even one of the elders who kept coming by for a while, but they still keep stopping by. At least the Jehovah witnesses went away when I asked them to. They kept getting my address because of my mom.
When the missionaries show up again and they ask me if I need anything done, instead of saying no, I'm going to have them build my new chicken coop 😆 they owe me after 25 years of stalking.
😂😂 yes put them to work! I got my records removed. Thankfully though before that they lost track of me because I moved annually in LA lol. When I found out they benefit by having my name in their records with taxes or something I went to quit Mormon and started the process.
Since leaving Mormon I have developed a strong, personal relationship with my Heavenly Father that I never felt in the Church. The Bible tells me all I need to know. I feel God is with me, loves me , and watches over me. I think all the rules, the way women are treated as 2nd class people, the men ruling over the women........all that smothered that personal sense I feel with God now.
Not all mormons are told that holy ghost to bed at midnight I think that was a scare tactic on whoever's behalf that said it. However I was told to be home by midnight because any good git's home by that time. And nothing good happens after midnight
omg i’m geeking out-don’t you think the “friends leaving” thing is the like THE BEST way to know if it’s a cult?! i can’t get over how perfect of a litmus test that is
Andrew great job again .I ve watched many of your videos with Former Hasidic Jewish women. As a Messianic Jew who believes in Jesus Christ and former Leslie West Vagrants Drummer I have a great story to tell and would love to do a show with you. I'm currently in Bradenton Florida and can be reached here .Great job Shelise. I'm surprised she didn't talk about polygamy in Mormonism.God Bless Evangelist ROGER MANSOUR
Just putting this out there... I kinda wish I had classes growing up teaching me to cook, crochet & blab blah blah. All I ever did was sleep, skip class, sell drugs to my peers and drink because I finished my work in about 10 minutes, was never stimulated or challenged nearly enough & it's too easy for an overwhelmed public school system to give up on kids that need something more.
Wasting your time was just your choice. I wonder if at that you would have been interestedin crochet and cooking. When you were not intetested in maths, science, history, literature to build your education. .
I completed all of my school work & also tested very well. Was incredibly interested in academics, so much so that I flew through school work at an accelerated rate and after I was done with the days curriculum, there was nothing more to offer me while my peers were still working. I grew bored. If you had read my original comment, you would have gathered that. My conclusion was that public school would benefit more children with more to offer & the insight to realize not every kid learns at the same pace would help more kids. ❤️
The one that gets me is being the outcast in the family and maybe getting looked down upon and not going to their level of heaven when you die.😮 really??? The cult is soooo evident right there. I have been gone for a long time and it’s still in the back of my head. The abuse and treatment haunts you for life from what CULTS do to you.
I am part of a religion and my family must be the cult bc the way they treat me is shocking. My parents refused to come to my wedding, my dad removed me as executor of the will bc I was now stupid bc I believed in a Creator. Cults can also be family organisations and their strong beliefs. BTW they are all atheists... my father was the cult leader & what he decided were the laws of god.
Omg the part where she mentioned the conditional love.. I'm so glad I was a Mormon and I live in the south. I haven't lost anyone I met that are Mormon. I was very sick a few months ago and one of my Mormon friends brought me and my fiance food when we got home. Another one pays me to watch her dogs. So many other cool people. They know I don't go to church, I cuss, I drink, I have a vape with nicotine, I dont believe anymore, I've had pre marital intercourse.. but they don't care. They still love me. I'm sure it's awful in Utah but in Tennessee they're a lot more forgiving
I am not a Mormon, but I have lived in Salt Lake City for over 20 years, I have family and friends that are Mormon, and to be perfectly honest a lot of the things portrayed in this podcast are just not true, be critical thinkers, Don’t believe everything you hear. Andrew, I love, love your podcast and RUclips channel. Keep up the amazing work. .xx
@@JM-pg5rc referred to the South Park episode about Mormons, this religion may seem strange to son, but if it makes those in it happy, then who are we to judge their beliefs. some of the best, lovely people I have ever met belong to the Mormon church.
@@Cuba_on_fire Then you don’t know much about the church and all the unhappy people. There’s a reason that Utah has the highest use of anti depressants and a high number of teen suicides. You may have met a few people that seem happy but that’s anecdotal. Who are you to tell people that were born and raised in the church that you know better?
My mom joined the Mormon church and brought me into it for a certain time period in my life and I have to laugh about this interview. I remember them having these long drawn out discussions with the teenage youth and adults in the 80's going into great detail about different sexual things that were banned and it horrified me. All of this reminds me of the family guy episode where Meg was having ear sex to stay a virgin. Makes me laugh!😂😂
My 4th great grandfather was Edward Partridge, 1st Mormon Bishop. His mission was 7 yrs in England 🇬🇧 He was set apart by Joseph Smith I believe.... and died in jail with The "prophet". He probably baptized your Grandmother 😆
I'm not an ex-Mormon I am an atheist, but my sister is a Mormon. I am watching these podcasts to understand this organization and its control over its members. The ironic thing is my ancestors were part of the group that chased the Mormons out of Missouri! Baptizing the dead is totally weird. I found some of my ancestors, who were pastors, ministers and leaders in their Christian religion and who would have been disgusted by Mormonism have been baptized Mormon after they were dead!
I talked to my baby on the telephone Long distance I never would've guessed I could miss someone so bad, yeah I really only met her 'bout a week ago But It doesn't seem to matter to my heart I know that I love her I'm hoping that I never recover 'Cause she's good for me And it would really make me happy To never let her slip away
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Shelise is awesome and so are you!. Intelligent content with an opportunity to learn from others. And yes I was raised Mormon. I taught my kids differently.
I am a ex Mormon convert of 40 years. Finding out I was lied to about EVERYTHING left me very broken. These leaders know that they have lied to the world about everything. RUclips the excommunication of Jeremy Reynolds.
FUN FACT - Mormonism = Crypto-Freemasonry.
Dear Andrew, Excellent interview with an informative and very intelligent woman. Who is Emma Lum or Lund? I Googled her and couldn't find anyone cultish??
Exmo-srm
Thank you for having me on, Andrew! This was so much fun! I could go on for days about this stuff 😂 you’re awesome!🙌
Any time! You da best!
You’re such a lovely genuine person. Super positive vibes. What a real story and inspiring journey. Thank you
@@marty29uk that means a lot! Thank you, Marty! 🥰
@@CultstoConsciousness My question is that since leaving the Cult of Josef Smith, have you abandoned the Christian faith altogether? Because that would be both tragic and sad.
@@morticiag hi! While I’m sure you have good intentions, categorizing and judging my life as tragic or sad, with no real understanding of what my life is like outside of a belief system, is actually the sad part. I do believe in God, but not the judgement day-follow my commandments- one you believe in. So maybe that might not make the cut for you to be happy for me, even if I’m a good person, have good intentions, and live a happy life. Loving people for being people is the type of unconditional love I speak on. Not conditional love and acceptance based on a man-made belief system.
Shelise is the best advocate for skin care without knowing it. No coffee or alcohol. Glorious skin! And a lovely personality with keen intelligence. Thanks for having her as a guest, Andrew.
Haha thank you, Lisa! Made me smile 😁 if I may be an advocate for celery juice 😂 I always had troubles with acne and after a year of straight celery juice every morning, it completely disappeared and started glowing. I’m sure the no alcohol helps too though 😜 thank you for your sweet compliments ❤️
I was raised Southern Baptist and back in the 70s we had a preacher said that if someone told you what they believed and it wasn't what you believed you should say , "LIAR, LIAR". I taught 12 year old girls in Sunday School and they asked if I would do that. I said, "no, because if someone is telling you what they believe is true, they are not liars. They could be wrong or misinformed, but not liars. To lie you must know the truth, believed and say something else to deceive."
Yay! Ive been looking forward to this, I adore Shelise! Im not an ex Mormon, but Im a survivor of an abusive Pentecostal commune/cult. I can really relate so much to exmos, exscns and exjws
Marilyn, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve experienced something similar to Shelise & others. Maybe reach out to her, as we’d be interested in hearing more about if, if you’re up to sharing your experiences. (Not everyone is, understandably so.) I recognize your name from SPTV! 💙
My heartfelt empathy to you Marilyn. There are NUMEROUS cult-like churches. I attended an Evangelical/Charismatic for over 20 years. I n November 2016 to present, I began to really see what the core members and the "olde boy" covering (in the name of their god) by weaponing bible scriptures. The "perfect purity ring oath" all the preteens took before a church dedication. It did not work at all. There was even a 14 year girl who got pregnant by a 17 year old youth group church leader's kids.
@@candyolson2871 there are so many spinoff Cults from Christianity because the Enemy of Christ does not want people following the Christ of the Gospel x
@@morticiag Not only that but the enemy of well intentioned organized religion.
I am survivor of women and children sex trafficking . Unfortunately my son didn't survive . Law enforcement mastermind and manipulate his murder. I'm fighting for Justice .
Great conversation. What a eye-opener. Shelise is a breath of fresh air and I love her consciousness. Many of us go through trials and tribulations, good to see her come out smelling like a rose. 💜
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
@@heidirobinson3352 Bit of a non sequitur you've dropped there, Heidi.
Well said.
Aww thank you so much! I appreciate that ❤️
I grew up in a strict Christian home. I'm actually a little shocked at how much I related to her story 😮
Another great interview, it’s amazing just what power so many religions actually have .
yes religions like evolution and woke nonsins
Yes😢 so dividing 😞
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Mormonism isn't just a religion, it's a CULT.
And the Militant ATHEIST regimes of China and North Korea are CULTS too....
@@dorettekotze2061 thank you! 😁❤️
Thanks Andrew & Shelise 👏👏. Really enjoyed that such an interesting story ❤.
Thank you, Jo! Glad you enjoyed it!
I love Shelise! I’ve never seen or heard of her before until this interview but she had me captivated. Shelise was able to tell her story of being put through terrible guilt, shame, fear and despair, with humour and honesty. She didn’t mince her words and her message was received loud and clear. I’ll be checking out her channel now.
I did see your eyebrows raise twice Andrew when Shelise was recounting her experience with the bishops punishment for the oral sex incident, and she said her mind was blown 😂
Jo Jo! You’re so sweet! Thank you so much. I really appreciate your compliments. I never know how my frankness is being received 😂 some people are shocked at my blunt language and others appreciate it. So, thank you for your comments ❤️🙏
@@CultstoConsciousness you’re very welcome! It’s all true. Except the autocorrect that made it read “she didn’t mice her words” instead of mince. 😂 I got to fix that. Oh and the fake Andrew that replied too. 😂❤️
I'm not Mormon but I dont enjoy alcohol. It makes me feel unwell. I can have just as much without it than with it.
I am also very smiley ... its contageous looking friendly. I see it whereever I go. Everyone wants to greet me and make small talk and the first thing I hear is. I LOVE YOUR SMILE.
I love that!
I see myself in this episode SO much and I was raised a Southern Baptist. Sexuality is something heavily shamed in this religion and it has definitely been a huge hurdle for me in my adult life. I am also on my path to finding what I believe and how to experience it the best I can. Thank-you Andrew for such a great episode!
Great interview, Andrew 🙌 Thank you. I often listen to Shelise. She's a wonderful interviewer too and also covers interesting and important topics.
Although not raised a Mormon, I experienced conditional friendship and community as well. To me, the church community seemed more concerned with where my soul was headed, and not what I was suffering through in the here and now.
Glad you've found fellow Atheists who are concerned for you and your soul .... 😂😂
Tell your Atheist friend that you believe in Jesus and you don't believe in aborting or transitioning children, and see if their love for you is unconditional or conditional?
All these anomalies conditional this and that. My caring for others has no contract. It must be hurtful to be manipulated into these conditional activities. I stick to the do no harm mantra, I was gifted as a child.
@@sandinielsen4401 okay. But more charities have been started by Churches and by Christians than by Atheists .
my 83 yr old mother is mormon and her Calling in the ward JANITOR. yes folks, true story!! my 83 yr old life-long faithful mormon mother cleans bathrooms, vacuums, and takes the trash out every week all by herself. my dad helps her as much as he can but hes old too and has his own calling thats always demanding on time.ugh makes me soooo mad...i feel its a slap in the face to a woman who devotes her life and 10% of her income to this ridiculous church. they are certaining wealthy enough to hire a janitor, or give the calling to someone younger. booooooo the mormon institution.
Wow!! This is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s so awful to hear that. They can ABSOLUTELY afford to pay a cleaning service.
They probably justify it with her serving the church and meanwhile they are taking advantage of a senior citizen 😢
Great interview! Thanks.
Loved this interview!
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I love that Morticia highlights that it's from Cults to Conciousness. Not just Mormon belief systems. That she wants recovery and to heal vs. hating her specific cult. Just sharing and understanding her story and how she felt means so much more knowing your not alone even if you arent in the same cult. Just love her message.
Morticia?
absolutely liberating. Thank you both so much.
Thank you too!
Thank you, Meret! ❤️
The creators of South Park lived in Colorado, in a high Mormon area, so they know a lot about Mormonism, but they are not Mormon themselves.
Also, Song of Solomon has tons of sex stuff in it. Tons.
@@hannahreynolds7611 You don't have to like it, for it to still be there. Just being frank.
Ahhh that makes sense!!
Pretty sure one of them is ex-mo.
@@theratrace5826 You are incorrect.
Great interview Andrew hello 👋🏼 from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤❤❤
I’m listening to her talk about sex, this reminds me of my teenage yrs in the evangelical church. I was saving myself for marriage. Plus we were in church twice on Sundays, prayer meetings on Tuesdays, Bible study on Wednesday, young ppl on Friday’s. You were never in the presence of secular ppl. That’s a cult!
@OnTheEdgewithAndrewGold13cammer, get out of here
Def one of my favorite guests!!!❤❤❤
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Andrew, you cracked me up with pickling! Religions have a way of screwing people up. Great interview!
Is it just religion though? Look at the Woke Left with their gender confusion and transitioning their children because they believe "it's the right thing to do"? And atheist girls and boys doing porrn and Only Fans for the viewing pleasure of MEN of all ages....
Why do you think it's just Religion?
@Serendipity
EXACTLY 💯 All Religion Sucks. They are all man-made B.S
I'm so into this chick. I'm ex-Mormon, too and know ALOT about the Rules and Word of Wisdom stuff and she tells The Whole Story of the traditions. About the coffee thing (hot drinks), I would have said all that almost word for word!!
Funny - I took up smoking and coffee when I left The Church. I'd always liked coffee, so I indulged. The cigs - It was rebellion at first but I like it, so... I don't much but it feels good. And we have the 'still don't drink alcohol's thing in common.!! Funny...😅
Good guest, Andrew. That was fun!!!!
Hey fellow apostate! Thanks so much! Happy to hear that. A few other people in the comments think I got it wrong 😂 but I’m always happy to be corrected on things.
I grew up basically an atheist in a Utah town that was 80% Mormon. It is always interesting to see people’s reactions to how weird Mormonism can be.
I used to think Mormons said prayers before meals because they were afraid it was poisoned.
This was a great live!
Some of what she said is true but not everything. I am a convert. I joined when I was 12 and my York sister was 15. I lived in New York for a year and a half when I was 7. Then we moved to Los Angeles/ San Fernando Valley. That is the area we were introduced to the church after visiting many other churches and finally talking with a Rabbi about how we grew up in South America being Catholic. Yet I knew my father was Jewish but didn’t realize that my mother’s family was as well. Yet knowing about the LDS Church was what felt familiar and at home for me.
We go to church two hours on Sunday and yes we look in on each other and befriend others as part of our “church family “ does. I love and are friends with the ladies who visit me and I visit my ladies. They are now called ministering teachers and our families are visited by two men or a couple once per month to see if the family is doing well, health wise, if the father lost his job, the mother or kids are I’ll? If you’re in need of food, bills that need to be paid and you are having a difficult time, the Relief Society President is notified and she notifies the Bishop. He then gives the family a paper that has a list of foods, including plastic wrap, soap, all sorts of things the “Bishop’s Store House has and from there they either go shopping there or your order is filled and delivered. In the meantime the father can go to the Church Unemployment Office and volunteers there will help you find a job, help you with your résumé’s and if bills need to be paid the Bishop will pay that for you. You are expected to help at the Bishop Store House if you can, or other things you can contribute to with your time.
Our Fast offering we give every first Sunday of the month goes towards the needs of the members when they need it.
You can say no to a calling if you’re not able to do it. I’m grateful for the opportunity of preparing a talk and presenting it in Sacrament Meeting in front of the congregation on Sunday. It helped me no to be afraid of public speaking.
We are taught to have savings of 6 months incase of an emergency, as well as a year supply of food for the same reason. I know I have been able to help a young family that went through their food supply and savings with food from my year supply.
The programs that are available for the different age groups are invaluable and I see now more and more young people don’t know how to cook or do the basics of home prep.
When my children were in Jr High they had to take a day out of the week and get a cookbook from my beautiful collection and we would not complain and eat what they cooked. I taught each of them how to do laundry. I would ask each of them to bring a cd of their favorite music and we would play it randomly between the four kids and myself. I always chose The Gipsy Kings. Then we all helped clean the house. It was a 4,000 sq ft house. Now, they all are great Chefs at home, they handle money well and live well within their means, have clean houses and do laundry well. My oldest son taught his wife to cook and many other things at home. They are all College educated and two middle boys have left the church but my oldest son and my youngest, only daughter, is still active.
Thanks for reading my two cents.
I lobe the gipsy kings.
Thank you for having Shelise on to share her story with all of us Andrew! 💗
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“You had people that had conditional love for you”……gurl, I heard that. It hit me. Thank you! ❤ ~Fellow Jack Mormon 😂 (really a stolen Jewish baby, adopted into Mormonism & then found out and, well…..the rest is L’Chaim!😅)
Wow! Andrew should interview YOU!
Thank you! Heeey, love meeting fellow apostates lol. That’s quite a story!❤️
Not any better lol
Enjoyed your presentation so.
MUCH. I learned many new
Ideas. Great video!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks, Louise!
Thank you, Shelise and Andrew, that was really interesting. I love Shelise's podcast, so I'm glad you 2 got together for this episode. I find it interesting that although I grew up in a different high control religion that I could still relate to most things discussed. ❤
Hi Alia! I’m happy you enjoy the podcast and this episode! I’ve been finding the relating to be true with a lot of people which makes me happy. Not that many people grew up in culty things, but that a conversation can be helpful to people across the board. ❤️
@Cults to Consciousness I agree I left over 20 years ago but I've only been listening to podcasts or speaking to others who had similar experiences in the past few years, and yet its still helpful all this time later. Thank you 😊
The Holy Ghost going to bed at midnight is a thing, my very Mormon parents said it to me but it’s more of an excuse it’t kind of said tongue-in-cheek.
Handmaids tale was triggering. It seems they took a lot of things from different high demand religions and put them together as the religion in the show. She is right about falling into manipulation relationships after.
That’s exactly how the author came up with the many things you see in the series, everything was true at some point in time in some culture or religion
Hellooooo, that's what I heard...at least one of them was raised Mormon... The South Park Guys... Shallise is awesome....so are you Andrew Gold!
Thanks for sharing your ex-LDS journey! I love how real used swear in your speech, I can definitely relate to that too!
I left the church a decade ago, but I still know many good Mormons. I have known more good Mormons than bad. I will never believe their doctrine however.
excellent chat 💚
Oh myyy. I'm pretty sure I saw that episode of SP but I can't remember what it's about. Ha. Looking forward to the video tomorrow.
This was truly one of the best former cult member interviews. I’ve been studying this topic for nearly 15 years. So much fodder to work with on many levels.
I don't do much alcohol. My Protestant, Christian family of origin drinks rarely. No reason was given. They just didn't. Then I went to a religious university. They taught it was bad & we could be expelled if caught drinking it. I do not have any religious objection to alcohol being used responsibly. But since my college years were spent not drinking, I feel like I missed out on that time of development when everyone learns about alcohol. Now I am 46, and I still rarely drink. I think alcohol tastes bad & is expensive. I'm not holy, I just prefer a Dr. Pepper. 😂 So I get Shelise not liking coffee. I became dependent and a fanatic about coffee in school after pulling late-night study sessions.
Dr. Pepper for you, Canada Dry Ginger Ale for me!
You missed out on wasted time, wasted money, wasted brain cells, overworking your liver, and possible addiction to a drug that truly destroys. I'd say what you really did is DODGE A BULLET. BE THANKFUL !!!! Americans act like getting inebriated is a right of passage, which does not say much for our society.
I'm an atheist and I hate alcohol.
You didn't miss out. Alcohol sucks. Leaves you poor, sick and in jail.
@@jasonk795 Yeah, I don't feel sad about it. I had a friend from this denomination where alcohol was not allowed. Her soon-to-be in-laws wouldn't come to her wedding shower because there would not be booze. I find that very sad. They could not enjoy themselves without drinking. At her wedding, there was a dry and alcoholic side of the building with the dance floor in the middle. Our side had a blast. We danced for hours with absolutely no shame. There were jokes, "The crazy part is that y'all are completely sober."
*bishop confessional flashback intensifies*
Cults to Consciousness is awesome! Cool to see her here.
Thank you! ❤
Pioneer polygamy stock on step-mom’s side - My dad converted and remarried when I was 3 - I’ve been looking forward to this episode 🎉
Hey Kim! Great to see you over here! 😁❤️
I was wearing a long dress, to my ankles, my sleeves were long, and I was running errands. I got accused of being a prostitute in my old neighborhood.
I’m an ex mormon myself. Thank you for sharing!
Apostates unite!❤️
Andrew, I have enjoyed so many of your in-depth interviews, and really appreciate this discussion. I have learned so much following your channel. Thank you.
About the guys who used you: there is something I learned the hard way about people who've used a lot of psychedelics - they lose their morals and empathy, believing they know everything about the world and that its all there for their taking at everyone else's expense. Perhaps its a certain drug or mix, but I've seen that in all the people who bragged about how great drugs are for 'healing' and 'opening your mind'.
What a lovely lady! I've seen her podcasts recommended on YT..
Fellow Utahn here (never Mormon) its funny that they don't "drink addictive substances" and yet almost every Mormon I know is highly addicted to soda. We have soda shops all over.
What a good interviewer you are. Really interesting vid, guest and topic...tyfs 😊
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much Tracy
😆Like a pickle..... Andrew😂 I'm laughing so hard, it hurts. Also, my face is scarlet, 🥵 Love from Texas y'all 🤠❤️
P.s. great interview as usual, what an amazing story.
Glad you enjoyed haha!
I died when he said that!😂 thanks for watching!
One thing I feel I MUST point out is this woman is from Utah. I've read lots of comments from exmormons from Utah and their experience is completely different from LDS in other parts of the country. In this town is a very good dental school and we get people from all over. We have two ways of describing Mormons from somewhere else. We ask are they Utah Mormons or California Mormons. By assigning them to one of the two categories we know what we're going to be dealing with. California Mormons are more laid back. Personally, I've only met one couple from Utah I liked and could be friends with.
A lot of the things she is saying are "Utah Mormon" things. They have always seemed to me to be much more hard line and judgy.
Just my .02
I agree. In Australia I had a close friend who was Mormon. I’m Christian and we respected our similarities and differences and got on with life. When she passed I met many of her church friends and they were all lovely and very friendly.
Hi! I can see that. Having lived in 3 states as a Mormon, I will say that the Utah Mormons where I lived were actually way more relaxed than the Oregon or Las Vegas Mormons. The bishop story from the young single adults ward was in vegas. However, if you are speaking about Provo Mormons (in Utah), then 100 percent they are the most strict.
I know what you mean. It really seems to depend on how immersed they can be in it. In Utah or southern Alberta, there are enough Mormons it can get pretty culty. If you live in a place where it’s just another church, there doesn’t seem to be the opportunity to become so immersed in it; you just are exposed to a lot more diversity.
@@CultstoConsciousness I don't really know where all of them coming and going from the dental school were from.
I've been in the LDS church since I was 18 and I'm 61 now. I'm probably considered inactive now although I don't think of myself that way. I have a lot of health problems and just don't go anywhere much.
I've been in the Young Women's presidency. Never heard anyone make the chewing gum comment. Don't really even remember a chastity lesson. Probably was one but not anything like you described.
Been in RS presidency. Never heard anyone ever talking about being a good wife. The closest thing to that I can think of is emergency preparedness.
I have two sons. They did not have yearly interviews. They were only interviewed prior to temple trips.
Women wear pants here sometimes. Nobody cares. I have two ear piercings and have had since I was 18. I plan to reward myself and get a third if I lose weight.
Are there churchzillias here? Sure. There are two ladies here I wouldn't cross the street to pee on if I saw them on fire.
Do I not agree with some things? Sure. It's pretty common to question if a calling is inspiration or desperation. And I whole heartedly agree that anyone in a bishopric ought to have training.
I think a abundance of people on this side of the Mississippi came from other churches or no church. Consequently we're not trying to play "who's the best Mormon."
A Utah Mormon said something to my husband one time about his ancestors being the ones who crossed the plains.
Know what hubby said? "Yeah and my ancestors were probably the ones shooting at them. What's your point?"
Church, any church, is for sinners who feel in need of God's grace. Not for self righteous twats. Which, no offense, the majority of Utah Mormons I've met are. I'm sure there are plenty that aren't but they don't seem to venture out much.
Oh and when we hear them coming down on something in general conference, we're like what's going on out there that made them say that?
Seriously, it's almost like two different churches that use the same scriptures.
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
I agree but NOT via the thought control police. Any religion that makes you disconnect from your family is not of Jesus.
I'm not into coffee or alcohol and never been a Mormon. 😂
I was raised JW & one of the many things that a non~no in that religion is tattoos. To this day I do not have a tattoo & don’t want one. I wonder is it just my preference or was it the way I was raised.🤔
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@@maryannlockwood7806 could be both. Maybe it became your preference.
OMG these guys are cracking me up with the soaking talk. It's so ridiculously funny. I'm kind of a prude when it comes to talking about S. Can't stop laughing at the look on Andrews face haha
What a delight!
Could have listened to another hour!
Aww thank you!
The A team, HUGE fan of both of you! I listen to your videos all the time on my computer when I work from home. Educational
Thank you for sharing your story 💗 I can't wait to check out your channel! Love & Light to you 🩷
Hey Andrew you should interview Mary Byler, an ex-Amish, who I just saw on Shalish’s show. She’s brilliant!
Her story is rough but beautiful. A strong, competent and capable woman, despite all she’s been through.
10:51 i totally agree! The worst ill do on thc is eat too much and sleep, or clean. Alcohol will have me removing my shoes, sweating off my makeup, talking to ppl i shoukdnt, or running off to find sasquatch at 3am on a freaking island only to wake up in a random treehouse in the middle of nowhere wearing mens(i think) footed pjs!! Soooo yeahhhh.. ill stick to my thc thank you. Plus with it i can not take 8 of my 14 daily meds.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 YOU are hilarious!! 😉Love it!!
That was a very funny comment on alcohol's effects. But, gosh, I hope you were kidding about being on 14 daily meds! If not, I hope you find a holistic way out of those -- presumably prescription med -- requirements to maintain your physical health! And good luck with all that! 🙏💞☮
@@livingitup9647 aww. Thank you. I am prescribed that many meds. But with medicinal thc im off most!
@@maryscott9430 Good to hear that! I hope that approach keeps working well for you 👍🙏💞
@@livingitup9647 thank you so much. Thats very kind of you!
I am an Ex- Mormon. Most of my family, including my mom and her husband, are. My dear sister is...with endless callings. My mother, to my knowledge, has provided my email, and address to the church. I left for so many reasons,...the church is the one and only true church. Seeing Priesthood holders not supporting victims of crimes. Also, members that ether has done tithe...drink...or have affairs. It was easy to walk away after I saw the hypocrisy. Jesus came to fulfill the Old Testament. In the New Testament Jesus taught only unconditional Love. So we can toss the whole Bible out and not be a dick and really love each other. I love this woman, she speaks to everything I grew up with. I so wish I could share any of this with my family. I would love them to hear the truth about Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Ploigamy, the modesty issue, the colling issue, being Morally clean, the word of wisdom, Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith doing divination, and marrying 14-year-old girls. So many crazy truths that are not talked about in the truth. Maybe someone being gang-raped spoke to a Priesthood member and Nothing was done. I too have sought help through Ahyauwska, Kambo, and Psylisiban. Still seeking and I am so thrilled to have the opportunity to hear you.
Shelise was the best part of Mormons on Mushrooms! So happy to see her doing her own thing and THRIVING!! ❤
The real Bible tells us that Saturday is actually the real Sabbath day. Constantine the great changed it to Sunday in 321AD
So good to hear you talk about the conditional love aspect. I'm a never-Mo living in Salt Lake City. Talk about a bubble. The shunning is a horrible trauma. We also have a very high suicide rate, I think in part, due to the demands and perfectionism, especially traumatic for the gay community. I've long wondered if the bishop's questions constituted voyeurism. There's so much that's so sick about these eligions.
Thank you for posting the diverse videos. 😊
What an elegant speaker! I love your channel so much.
Thank you both for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
Commenting before finishing- crochet sounds cool but I'm into that. The LDS kids in my high school used to meet before school started daily. Teens already have sleep trouble and school starts early- plus no coffee? That must have been hard for them.
I enjoyed your discussions. I was brought up Fundamentalist Christian and I remember that one poor woman had to confess openly to the whole congregation her sin (of dating a man who was not a Christian) so she could again partake of the sacrament. I was a teenager at the time and was horrified for her. I eventually left the Mennonite Brethren and have never looked back.
I was married the first time in 1991 (in the Mormon temple) & I was told on multiple occasions that oral was really sinful. I heard it frequently when I was an active “true believing Mormon” (TBM).
Also, most Mormons are completely blind to the actual history of the church. So, be patient when you meet a Mormon. Especially these poor kids they’ve forced out on a mission. I was born into the church and didn’t find this out until I was 43 years old. And even now, I am not free to speak openly living in Utah. So thank you to all the podcasters who are bringing a light to this.
Thank you for saying this. I feel like I have this comment on repeat for the TBMs who challenge me for not getting the facts right. So much is hidden from the members and outright changed to keep people from the truth.
Being ignorant and silly about the religion they are missionng for is not an excuse to be a nuisance and waste my time
So glad I'm watching this in the morning because every time I hear tea being discussed, I have a massive urge to drink tea. Guess what I'm drinking now!
Great interview! I didn't drink coffee until I was in my late 40's. I never liked it until my friend made me coffee with fresh ground beans and yummy creamer. I also don't drink alcohol often. I like a pina coloda or margarita with dinner, or a Kahlua and cream in the evening.
I always thought Mormonism was a cult decades ago, then it was accepted as a religion. Which I found fascinating. Especially when the Osmonds were mormons and they were famous and on TV.
I found your show through Shelise. I'm love both of your content. ❤
In that Christian Church I just referred to it was also mostly a female Preacher who literally gave me the shirt off her back because I was freezing and homeless in a t-shirt and she had a nice comfy and warm hood on. I didn't even ask she was just that empathetic and the other Preacher was a Man who had been homeless just 15 years before living on the same streets with his wife and they'd also bring us chik filet breakfast sandwiches a couple times a week and his wife did free haircuts once a month and weekly brought Men's and Women's mini sized cleaning products for free out of there pockets and time for us. They gave back to the community and situation they were once in, if I wasn't so disabled I'd do the same. I used to take in women in need and homeless people down on there luck who just needed a helping hand back when I was capable of working but they made me want to do more, unfortunately that's not in the cards for me .
I'm not a Mormon, but I don't like coffee.(Love tea!) I don't drink alcohol. Communion in my church is grape juice and unleavened bread. Until now, I didn't realize I had things in common with Mormons!
I don’t drink, no drugs, I’m a vegetarian, and I’m not Mormon. What’s the big deal? It’s healthy after all.
Love that thumbnail 😂
I don’t drink coffee. I tried it once when I was 12 we were at the donut shop. My mom got up to use the restroom. I thought I was grown I took a sip I said never again and I’ve never drink it again.
As a Roman Catholic, I was taught to dress modestly when going to church and I lowkey judged whenever I saw someone wearing shorts or spaghetti straps XD
Fantastic interview. So much of what was said was so relatable
Hi Cathy! Thank you! That’s great to hear
Damn Shelise, You are so cool and relatiable. Gee I never thought I would be able to relate to anybody on such a personal matter and you really doing a great service keep it up. Men treating women badly welcome to my life! But always remember nobody can treat you badly unless you let them most of the times.
I remember the 3-hour long sessions on Sunday back in the day. Fortunately we were what they called Jack Mormons (because my mom drank coffee and smoked cigarettes), and she didn't make us do all the stuff during the week. So glad! We moved across the country when I was 13 and she didn't make me go back to church, so I didn't and haven't since. I'm now 47 and they still knock on my door at least once a month. I have been very clear with them, even one of the elders who kept coming by for a while, but they still keep stopping by. At least the Jehovah witnesses went away when I asked them to. They kept getting my address because of my mom.
When the missionaries show up again and they ask me if I need anything done, instead of saying no, I'm going to have them build my new chicken coop 😆 they owe me after 25 years of stalking.
Stalking! What was the thought? These young missionaries out now can't be blamed for anything.
😂😂 yes put them to work! I got my records removed. Thankfully though before that they lost track of me because I moved annually in LA lol. When I found out they benefit by having my name in their records with taxes or something I went to quit Mormon and started the process.
Great guest, very humorous, so happy she’s out !
What a beautiful sincere and honest soul !!
Since leaving Mormon I have developed a strong, personal relationship with my Heavenly Father that I never felt in the Church. The Bible tells me all I need to know. I feel God is with me, loves me , and watches over me. I think all the rules, the way women are treated as 2nd class people, the men ruling over the women........all that smothered that personal sense I feel with God now.
Great interview! Andrew, the gentleman he is, looked a bit uncomfortable during parts of the interview, which is very understandable. Made me blush 😊
Not all mormons are told that holy ghost to bed at midnight I think that was a scare tactic on whoever's behalf that said it. However I was told to be home by midnight because any good git's home by that time. And nothing good happens after midnight
omg i’m geeking out-don’t you think the “friends leaving” thing is the like THE BEST way to know if it’s a cult?! i can’t get over how perfect of a litmus test that is
I love Shalise! I watch Cults to Consciousness on the regular. ☺
Andrew great job again .I ve watched many of your videos with Former Hasidic Jewish women. As a Messianic Jew who believes in Jesus Christ and former Leslie West Vagrants Drummer I have a great story to tell and would love to do a show with you. I'm currently in Bradenton Florida and can be reached here .Great job Shelise. I'm surprised she didn't talk about polygamy in Mormonism.God Bless
Evangelist ROGER MANSOUR
Just putting this out there... I kinda wish I had classes growing up teaching me to cook, crochet & blab blah blah. All I ever did was sleep, skip class, sell drugs to my peers and drink because I finished my work in about 10 minutes, was never stimulated or challenged nearly enough & it's too easy for an overwhelmed public school system to give up on kids that need something more.
Yes, more cooking, tent building, etc. would be great. They used to have those classes awhile back. Home economics they called it, for one.
Wasting your time was just your choice. I wonder if at that you would have been interestedin crochet and cooking. When you were not intetested in maths, science, history, literature to build your education. .
I completed all of my school work & also tested very well. Was incredibly interested in academics, so much so that I flew through school work at an accelerated rate and after I was done with the days curriculum, there was nothing more to offer me while my peers were still working. I grew bored. If you had read my original comment, you would have gathered that. My conclusion was that public school would benefit more children with more to offer & the insight to realize not every kid learns at the same pace would help more kids. ❤️
The one that gets me is being the outcast in the family and maybe getting looked down upon and not going to their level of heaven when you die.😮 really??? The cult is soooo evident right there. I have been gone for a long time and it’s still in the back of my head. The abuse and treatment haunts you for life from what CULTS do to you.
I am part of a religion and my family must be the cult bc the way they treat me is shocking. My parents refused to come to my wedding, my dad removed me as executor of the will bc I was now stupid bc I believed in a Creator. Cults can also be family organisations and their strong beliefs. BTW they are all atheists... my father was the cult leader & what he decided were the laws of god.
Omg the part where she mentioned the conditional love.. I'm so glad I was a Mormon and I live in the south. I haven't lost anyone I met that are Mormon. I was very sick a few months ago and one of my Mormon friends brought me and my fiance food when we got home. Another one pays me to watch her dogs. So many other cool people. They know I don't go to church, I cuss, I drink, I have a vape with nicotine, I dont believe anymore, I've had pre marital intercourse.. but they don't care. They still love me. I'm sure it's awful in Utah but in Tennessee they're a lot more forgiving
I have found the arizona Mormons to be mostly like that as well. It’s interesting how the Utah ones are the culti-ish it seems.
I am not a Mormon, but I have lived in Salt Lake City for over 20 years, I have family and friends that are Mormon, and to be perfectly honest a lot of the things portrayed in this podcast are just not true, be critical thinkers, Don’t believe everything you hear. Andrew, I love, love your podcast and RUclips channel. Keep up the amazing work. .xx
Oh, right, you, a never mo, know this to be true? Everything she said is true and there’s worse.
@@JM-pg5rc referred to the South Park episode about Mormons, this religion may seem strange to son, but if it makes those in it happy, then who are we to judge their beliefs. some of the best, lovely people I have ever met belong to the Mormon church.
@@Cuba_on_fire Then you don’t know much about the church and all the unhappy people. There’s a reason that Utah has the highest use of anti depressants and a high number of teen suicides. You may have met a few people that seem happy but that’s anecdotal. Who are you to tell people that were born and raised in the church that you know better?
What part is not true?
No, it’s all true. Don’t believe everything YOU hear.
My mom joined the Mormon church and brought me into it for a certain time period in my life and I have to laugh about this interview. I remember them having these long drawn out discussions with the teenage youth and adults in the 80's going into great detail about different sexual things that were banned and it horrified me. All of this reminds me of the family guy episode where Meg was having ear sex to stay a virgin. Makes me laugh!😂😂
My 4th great grandfather was Edward Partridge, 1st Mormon Bishop. His mission was 7 yrs in England 🇬🇧
He was set apart by Joseph Smith I believe.... and died in jail with The "prophet".
He probably baptized your Grandmother 😆
Woaaah! That would be cool if he did! Lol now that is some OG Mormonism right there
I'm not an ex-Mormon I am an atheist, but my sister is a Mormon. I am watching these podcasts to understand this organization and its control over its members. The ironic thing is my ancestors were part of the group that chased the Mormons out of Missouri! Baptizing the dead is totally weird. I found some of my ancestors, who were pastors, ministers and leaders in their Christian religion and who would have been disgusted by Mormonism have been baptized Mormon after they were dead!
I talked to my baby on the telephone
Long distance
I never would've guessed
I could miss someone so bad, yeah
I really only met her 'bout a week ago
But
It doesn't seem to matter to my heart I know that I love her
I'm hoping that I never recover
'Cause she's good for me
And it would really make me happy
To never let her slip away