Why I Left "Mormons on Mushrooms" Podcast (the WHOLE story)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- This is not a normal episode. For 2 years, I was a co-host of the Mormons on Mushrooms podcast and I loved it. I enjoyed interviewing our guests and the episodes with just Mike, Doug and I. Sadly, this has come to and end and ultimately birthed Cults to Consciousness. While I am hurt by the choices that were made, I'm excited to dive deep into my own podcast! This is the full story of what happened and how we got here; joined by my partner in love, my fiancé, Jonathan.
Find me on Social media!
Instagram @cultstoconsciousness
Host Instagram @sheliseann
TikTok @cults.to.consciousness
Twitter @cultstocon
For more of Jonathan, check out his channel @Methodbox
Thanks for tuning in!
Found you on C2C first so I had no real history of your prior endeavors. All I'll say is that it's impressive how thoughtful, empathetic, and classy you were while recounting what was obviously an anxious and emotionally turbulent time.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I still try to remain fair to their situation as well while recounting the facts of what happened.
I had a situation like this. I found you on c2c first as well so can't believe someone would be such a passive aggressive idiot.
@@RudeOptics who are you refering to as being a "passive aggressive idiot"?
I'm watching this a year after you posted this- you are at 97k+ followers. These "MOM" people are not even on youtube (can't compare their numbers) but this break up was probably really a great thing. You are on fire 🔥 girl!
Thank you! I’m happy to be out on my own. Wish the breakup wasn’t so messy and handled the way it was, but overall happy to be doing my own thing and actually getting paid now lol
I just watched this episode as part of my C2C binge and I have to say, I've never heard of this other podcast, but I'm glad they set you free to create something bigger and better! Some people don't know how to hold their own next to a powerful woman!
**blushing** thank you 🙏❤️
I am SO impressed with your calling out how this conflicted with a commitment to include feminine energy by literally eliminating it. The overwhelming male dominance in high-demand religions often seems to be something males DO take with them when they leave the religions. (Unsurprising, given that it's one of the few shared beliefs, even if it's implemented differently.) You didn't just call it out -- you called it out in a way I'm mentally bookmarking to quote the next time I deal with it. I don't have to write it down, because let's face it -- a woman doesn't go a day without having to use it SOMEWHERE.
Shelise💔 you are more than capable. I honestly didn't go to the revival because I was getting a different vibe from the podcast that I didn't like and was wondering where you went. Things started going downhill for me on that episode where the guest told Mike and Doug to shut up and let you talk more (I was thinking the same thing) 😂.... But they didn't listen. So I'm very excited for your cults to consciousness baby! Your words and ideas and insights and stories just hit different in a good way. Also I like that you're doing it on RUclips it feels more real and like you're not trying to hide like it sometimes did with the other podcast. Thank you for choosing to keep putting yourself out there even after rejection🧡
Ummmm this is the real deal comment!!! I think their fragile egos couldn’t handle a powerful woman.
Kayla! That comment really hit the spot for me. Thank you so much for your support. It feels good knowing that people were missing my voice. Ahhh yes, the John Larsen episode lol. One of the most awkward moments in podcast history haha. I don't believe I'm smarter than them, but I do think I bring something unique to the table when guests are on. That may have been around when they started having me on less and less 🤔lol Anyway, Thank you for being here! I'm excited to see where this journey goes!
I haven’t even heard of that channel, you don’t need them at all. I’m an exmo myself and it’s so healing to hear other people’s stories. Thank you so much for your voice.
Huge loss for Mormons on Mushrooms listeners. Huge gain for this new platform! Can’t wait to see what you create!
Thank you so much mama bear! You’re the best! ❤️
I’m here to support Shelise along with you! She’s going to blossom beautifully. 🌹
@@djdingwall1 thank you Donna. Hope all is well with you. Let’s chat again. Call anytime
@@lisawillson6211 I’d like that very much.
I second Mom's sentiment, @@CultstoConsciousness . I didn't have any experience with you or the previous podcast, but I like what you've begun here on your own. 🙂
I never listened to Mormons on Mushrooms, so this background is shocking to hear. As someone who grew up adjacent to the old order Mennonites in rural Canada, I need you to know that your voice and message is impacting even those of us that didn't directly have experience in the depths of a cult. I have unpacked so much of my internalized misogyny and deep insecurities about sexuality, identity, and bodily autonomy because of the perspectives I have learned from on this podcast. Movement and breathwork has been incredibly healing in my journey, and if you were to ever do an episode around that I would be thrilled. Thank you so much for your dedication and vulnerability, and power as a woman with a voice that needs to be shared.
@cultstoconsciousness ooo movement and breath work episode?!
I found Cults to Consciousness first and I am so glad that I found you because I am completely enthralled by your content! Can’t wait to see you make it to 100🎉
As an exJW (20 years) *and* exMormon (2years), I’m super-excited to find your channel. Women are told that their submission is their empowerment, but it is our active voice that gives strength, not just to us, but to the world. I’m a teacher now (“Oh no, an ex-Witness with an education. She must be a Jezebel!) and I use my voice to empower teenagers and make them aware of propaganda.
Hi Lyn! I'm so happy you found me too! Welcome welcome! yes, exactly! great points and thank you for sharing your insight with teens!
I have never heard anyone say that submission is our empowerment. Who says that?
Late to the party, but this smacks of dudebros being dudebros. I went through the same thing on the staff of my college news magazine nearly 50 years ago; I wrote the most popular column and did tons of editing, but got frozen into a corner. Haven’t thought about this in decades. ❤❤❤ to you on your brilliant success on your own platform!
The reason they wanted to separate ways is that everything was growing too fast, and they got scared. You are obviously the power behind their growth, so to go back to a safe place for them they had to break up with you. It was a very immature thing to do, and they should have had the balls to tell you, "We are scared, and this has gotten too big, and we just want to go back to being small players!" They were running scared and afraid and sabotaging what they had built with you.
Hi again! This is a very interesting observation and interpretation of the events. I will say they often didn't want the podcast to grow and whenever I would bring it up they got squeamish. I never understood it and they actually admitted to feeling that way. But maybe that was their journey. I wish the best for them.
I'm so happy you're voice is now solo! I love you the way you are & look forward to who you grow into🥰
Found you from “Growing up on Scientology” and I need to send Mike and Doug a thank you note!!! You are going to be huge on RUclips!
😂 thank you! ❤️
Same!!! 😂
Honestly it sounds like they didn't want you to get as much attention as them. You're better off on your own, you are so intelligent and eloquent. I've never listened to MOM but I've listened to you for a while and I love your work!
Hi Sydney, thank you so much for your kindness and support ❤️
I never listened to the other podcast, but it seems oddly coincidental that she mentioned they stopped including her when she started dating Jonathan...
As an outsider, it honestly sounds like one of the male podcasters or even both had some level of anticipation or hope of a more personal relationship and it built up over a couple years.
It sounds as if when you met your Fiancé and got serious, that was a blow to the fantasy/hope that had created the draw/bond between the guys and you.
I could see that after your romantic choice was made, the relationship with the co-host morphed from the comfortable "I want her around" feeling to the automatic pushing away of the source of hurt, embarrassment, dejection, or rejection.
This could be literally why the feelings and actions were like a romantic break-up.
I would venture to say that the one who was the most angry or cold would be the one who had the strongest feelings.
Just saying as a guy, I can see this happening even if there was never a true though of a "real" relationship.
Sometimes the fantasy or subconscious attraction to a girl causes a real visceral emotional bond to that girl and reactions could be as strong as if they were actually a romantic partner.
Kinda like when you have a very close friend, of the opposite sex or even the same sex, for a long time and you have an emotional bond that is possibly even stronger and more vulnerable than with a potential mate because you share all the good, bad, private moments.
Then an outsider walks up and they commit all the love and emotional energy to the new person, you feel very hurt and discarded so you get closed off and push them away to protect your own feelings.
Very, very interesting! I never felt as though they had feelings for me and both of them were married. They felt like very very close friends or even brothers. But I suppose anything is possible.
@@CultstoConsciousness It very well could have even been a not-so-conscious feeling or reaction.
I have felt and seen times when guys have a strong emotional attachment to a girl and never actually plan or even want a sexual relationship with that person.
I'm sure you have seen or heard of guys being overly protective or possessive of girls they are related to or had very close attachments with.
Sometimes it is even subconscious to the point to where even the guy doesn't know why he feels the way he does.
I guess I am rambling on and beating this dead horse because it is a very sensitive thing to me.
Many years ago I had a very dear friend who I pushed away very rudely and permanently due to me not able to handle being a secondary thought when she before had given so much to me and eventually went her own path.
I was in a relationship with another girl and never had any plans to be in one with her but then reacted as if she was my wife and cheated/dumped on me.
A very poor and pathetic action on my part and a permanent cloud of shame I will never lose.
Whether or not there was a secret desire to have you pulled in for an actual relationship will never be known because we as guys rarely even like admitting things like that to ourselves much less others who can pass judgement.
Again, it could also have been on the other end of the spectrum where it was purely emotional with no logical or conscious actions involved.
But there is always the chance that they just got a taste of attention and wanted to remove someone who has more of a natural draw and easily develop the highest of a fan base than the others and so was bumped out to make them feel a bit more of the spotlights warmth.
okay i thought i was the only one that sensed this kind of energy but yes!!! could totally be repressed feelings and desire and then feeling weak and vulnerable in your power, shelise!! keep doing what you’re doing, rockstar ❤
gosh, if that's the case, it really doesn't reflect well on these guys at all, and they're already looking bad as it is.
This episode makes so much sense. Last week I listened to your episode with Cara Burrell and I was impressed how good you were at this for being such a new podcast (turns out you weren’t new to podcasting at all. Lol) I have been binge listening to you for the last several days now. You are very gracious, but the hosts of MoM sound like jerks. Misogyny runs deep in the male Mormon demographic(even after leaving). I am wishing all the best things for you. You have fantastic interviews!!
PS your fiancée is awesome!
Hi Maggie! Thank you so much for your comments! I'm beaming that you decided to binge my content and I really appreciate your compliments. There has been a learning curve for sure, but I definitely think my years with MOM helped me hone my interviewing skills. It's interesting to see an outsiders perspective on the whole "demotion drama". Thank you for sharing and for supporting me! Yes, Jonathan is my forever person and biggest supporter. I couldn't do it without him. :)
Had to find this video after the mention in the wedding video. This was the best thing to happen. I felt a little of what you described when I looked on Facebook and saw a friend had had a wedding last week.
Shelise, omg. A few things I want to say here.
1) solstice would absolutely have not happened the way it did without your constant work on pulling it all together. You created the most magical space for the most magical experience I’ve ever had. The amount of work you put into making that happen was seen and so appreciated. I’m forever grateful for everything you did and the way you showed up for the whole community at solstice.
2) I started listening because of your work on the social media side of things. You brought in so many listeners, and so many lives are changed because of your work thus far. At least, I know mine is!
3) I hold very strong to my belief that everything happens for a reason. There’s a divine timing to everything, even the most painful experiences happen in order for us to grow into doing something better, or being better overall. This journey you’re on is no different. You’re a huge role model, an incredible person, and an exquisite speaker and storyteller in your own right. I’m so sorry for the hurt you’re experiencing now, but I know for a fact that this will launch you into a space of success. I’m so excited to follow your execution of COC and I can’t thank you enough for continuing to create a space where women’s voices are prioritized.
Wow, what a thoughtful comment! Thank you so so much for all of your kind and encouraging words.
1. Thank you! You also put a lot of work and effort in that did not go unseen or unappreciated. thank you for appreciating mine as well! It really was pretty magical at that pavilion.
2. I'm so happy to hear it helped you in some way. :)
3. Thank you! I don't even know what to say to all those sweet compliments! I'm excited to see where this journey takes me. Thanks for coming along for the ride! xoxo
I love your podcast! As an ex-fundamentalist Christian and from a high control family - I have found all your conversations so enlightening and I take away something from every single episode
I found you a few days ago and I’ve been binge watching all your episodes.. Been watching you interview people and might I say I love how thoughtful and genuine your questions are. I wanted to go looking for your story so I found this ❤
Hi Mara! Thank you so much! I really appreciate that!!🥰 thanks for watching.
1. I truly only enjoyed the episodes of MOM that you were on.
2. I was fired up with you.
3. So excited for this new podcast.
4. Love the necklace!
Thank you Melanie!
1. That means a lot
2. 😁🙌
3. Woooo! Me too!
4. Thanks! It’s turquoise, hand made by someone in Peru
Whike I see the opportunity was amazing and I know you gleaned so much experience and enjoyed it while it lasted. But I absolutely could not imagine my life without c2c. It is (one) of your destinies! It has brought so much healing to me by feeling validated instead of alone and has filled in so many pieces of my puzzle!
❤
Oh wow! That’s so amazing! Thanks for sharing that 🥰
This was sad to hear. I’m sorry that you got hurt in this messy transition. I’ve really enjoyed MOM and you were a big part of that. You did provide a lot of wisdom and insight that I personally benefited from and I know it would have been different without your voice. Thank you Shelise for everything you contributed. That podcast really was a big help in a turning point in my life and I’m really grateful for you. I’m excited for you and I will be coming back for sure. Best of luck to you and I know you will do great things 💗
Thank you Jenny! That means a lot. I'm happy to hear the podcast helped you in a positive way! Thanks for being here :) new episode tomorrow!
Yay, episode number 3. Your raw and vulnerability in this conversation is very attractive. I will continue to follow and support you. I look very forward to all that will unfold here with you Shelise. Bring it on. 💗
Thank you, Donna! I’m excited to see what unfolds also! 😁😁
whoa, literally had no idea about any of this! came here for Carah and stayed for the consciousness 🔮 fuck that noise, girl
Hey! I'm so happy you chose to stick around! Yeah, I'm ready to move forward and kick some asssss! Thanks for being here! :D
I love the came for the Carah stayed for the consciousness line!
Sucks to hear that's how things with down.. I never knew you came from a different platform 🙃 I found you through RUclips.. but I would like to spmwhat thank Mormons on mushrooms for letting u go because you're one of my favorite RUclipsrs ❤ keep doing you and congratulations on the 100th episode! It was beautifully done
Thank you so much! That means a lot ❤️
I have a quote "No one puts Babe in the corner" well done on starting your new podcast. For the years I have been following you Shelise on thing sticks out like a rose amoung lilies, your honesty I feel you are truly honest with your audiance thats one of the reasons I follow you. Well done!!
Thank you for your support Timothy! It means a lot! I do my best to remain honest with my audience. I think it's important
Big loss for them and unfortunate everything fell through the way it did. :/
Excited for your channel and the amazing content you’re going to create!!
Thank you Sean! I really appreciate the support! We have some amazing episodes we are editing up now!
I am so glad you have your own channel now and I have loved it from the first episode I have watched.
Started at the beginning. I suspect they were threatened because you are REALLY fucking good🥰
Awwww thank you 🥰❤️🙏
Honestly, you were the main reason I listened. Good luck friend 🙌❤️
Thank you Rich! I hope you enjoy my voice on this side of the internet! :D
i wanna tell this Shelise that everything is going amazing
😁🙏
I just caught your in-depth episode on MS this morning and I was considering checking out MoM, but now I won't be. I don't have time for dishonest people that are still exhibiting the training they learned at their Mormon daddies' knees... use a woman's talents without complete recognition of her contribution, then ghost when they don't feel 100% in control, but of course pat your shoulder, mealymouth a bunch of platitudes and tell you you did your best BUT they still want more but only on their terms. UGH. I'm not sure they should have any part of anyone discussing their issues being vulnerable to the public. They haven't dealt with their own shit, VERY OBVIOUSLY. And guess what? Your sense that you were going on to greater personal things has come true. Good for you, dearling. Good for you.
Watching this only now after binging your whole channel! Delighted for you you branched out alone and looks what’s happened! ❤❤❤
as much as this is a hard situation, so glad it happened and you started cults to consciousness bc it is so so good and lifesaving, you’re doing great work out here
I’ve been subscribed to your channel for a while now and I’ve had the opportunity to listen to so many people’s stories and better understand so many different walks of life. I’m just now going back to listen to your story and girl I am so proud of you! You have been so brave and your voice is absolutely valuable.
Aww thank you!!❤️🙏
In response to the #103 MoM episode about kicking off Shelise: Wow. This episode is so disappointing. #Patriarchy
Shelise is getting booted from the show she helped create. Their reasoning sounds like BS and feels super shady to me.
They want Shelise to become a co-host (she resists and offers to be "part-time"). They string her along and tell her to own being a full-on cohost, so she trusts them and does that. She helps build
their platform with her huge audience on social media, is always complimented on the show for how needed her voice is, helps plan a huge in-person event in another state... then she's booted the day
after it ends.
The second half of this episode is so patronizing. Here is a short list of only a few of my grievances.
1. They talk about being shocked that she cared so much about the
podcast (when they benefited from her giving her all).
2. They have been saying for so long how they want to incorporate more
of the "divine feminine" (but kick off the only woman)
3. They talk about how Shelise wanted to professionalize the podcast,
and they didn't take her advice, but then they offer to help her with
HER podcast. Then, in the same breath, they want to benefit from her
research, time, and efforts to help legally better the podcast that
they are simultaneously kicking her off of.
This feels exactly like how the church treats women. And I don't buy
their whole line about too many podcast hosts per episode and guests
not being vulnerable. That could have been worked out on a rotation
schedule EASILY. Some guests were so vulnerable that they couldn't
air specific episodes because of it!
Bottom line, I think Doug and Mike made a HUGE mistake, and Shelise
was EXTREMELY kind and gracious... I certainly wouldn't have been so gentle.
Isn’t it though, quite necessary unfortunately !!
Ashley! I appreciate your observations and comments. It certainly makes me feel seen, heard and validated for my experience. It also feels amazing having women support women! You're my forever friend and I can't thank you enough for your support! Love you!
So sorry this happened to you, but I’m glad ya have this channel. ❤ never heard of that channel, their loss.
Good luck on your journey! I haven’t listened to MOM for awhile, but love your insights on the show.
Thank you, Chrissy! I hope you find value in this podcast. My goal is to bring on all the experts and storytellers!
I'm sorry to hear it went down the way it did. But I'm happy to see that you've used it as a mechanism to launch your own creation here.
Also, really smart idea having Jonathan interview you! It really worked well! Great job Jonathan!
Thank you David! One thing I've learned throughout my bumpy life, is when someone pushes you over, turn it into a sexy dance 😂
@@davidjohnson605 It was all his idea! Actually he's the one that suggested we record this at all so I could get out all my feelings and let it go. We were debating on even releasing it at all, but realized it provided important context to who I was and where I came from. He's so good at it! He has his own RUclips channel so he's a pro.
I'm glad this is a lighter topic, because I need to know where you get your necklaces, and I normally feel weird asking that on the deep episodes. Mind you I'm only a few minutes in. But where do you get your necklaces?? I love them!
I didn't know you were part of Mormons On Mushrooms! I found them on Facebook and then started finding lots of stuff on RUclips. ☺
Your voice is definitely valuable! I’ve always appreciated your contributions and insights on MoM, and am sorry to hear how things turned out. Thanks for your vulnerability, and can’t wait to see all the great things you’ll do next! 💞
Thank you so much, Sarah! It feels good to know that you found value in what I brought to the table. Thanks for being here and supporting! 😁
congrats on starting your own journey! I didn't know about you, found you from your Nuancehoe interview, and now I fully support! you had 670 subs at the timing i'm watching, now you have 671!
Hi Naomi! Thank you so much for being here! Carah is amazing and I can't wait to have more incredible guests!
🙋🏾♂️ Same.
Girl, you are so capable! I’m enjoying watching you & your guests. Hope you are enjoying the ride. ✌🏻 💜
Hi Jen! I just saw this. Thank you so so much! It’s been QUITE the ride! Lol❤️
You are very close your 100th!!! ❤
This is SO typical of the woo community. I this happen in my yoga studio where everyone is all about community and then it’s about the person in charge.
I have no idea who they are, but I'm so glad that you ended up leaving and starting your own podcast. Ended up for the best in the end.
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You were angry because it was throwing you into an uncomfortable place, but had they not done this you wouldn't have this solo where you don't have to answer to anyone. They were a good stepping stone. I'm glad you launched love what you (with the help of Johnathan & others I'm sure) done! I for 1 appreciate y'all!
You are an incredible young woman. I subscribed to this channel because I can’t wait to hear what else you have to say. Good luck in every thing you set out to do. ❤
Thank you so so so much! ❤️🙏
Never heard of the podcast. I'm glad you got to create something new! C2C is powerful.
Never knew about this other podcast but you’re so much better off! You’re killing it! 🎉
I'm sorry you had to go thru that, but it has worked out for the best. Independence! ❤
Thank you!
This came up on my feed after months of listening to you. Glad things are going well now, so you can afford new pants.
I hope your channel reachs millions and help them find their truth
Thank you so much! 🙌
i know i have a whole lot of hindsight that wasn't available at the time but here it goes anyway. it sounds like they liked you so much they didn't consider that the dynamic they initially wanted with the show would be affected, they just knew how amazing you were and wanted that energy you bring to the table. i honestly cant imagine you being weighed down by two other people and think you and your content are incredible.
To me, it sounds like they wanted you as a default guest to be on the show whenever they couldn't book someone. WOW.
This is a very interesting and honest perspective. Feels like you could be right, though. ❤️ thanks for your support!
I know this was a year ago. However, you were meant to do this.
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At the end of the day, it's their podcast and their decision. You will do great on your own!
Of course it is. It wasn’t about their decision. It was about how they handled it. And yes, I have.
It sounds like a breakup from dating someone. Then that person adds this ... "we can still be friends", which isn't really true. Being honest is important in all relationships. Your sense of feeling was telling you the truth. It was Mike trying to let you down easy.... Your honesty is refreshing. Acceptance is a real gift of things one has no control over as you may know.
It does sound like a breakup of a threesome. It had emotion, lack of communication and deception....("we can sill be friends") or something to that affect.... You're making good babies now ..... . You, Jonathan and who else is in your production. Nice to hear how you and your mom came up with your new podcast name. How many people on your production team?
Thanks Bee g for all your support and comments on my videos! ☺️ it definitely felt difficult and painful like a breakup. But yes, my team is solid! Me and Jonathan! Lol hopefully we can hire out some of the work soon because it’s a lot 🥲
@@CultstoConsciousness You're welcome. Yes, your big team... LoL. Yes, that will be nice when you can hire others to lighten your work load and not wear so many hats....
Have you ever thought of numbering the first 3 podcasts? So people find the who, why and what of your podcast before they venture onto the others.... I hope you understand what I am trying to convey?? Best...
23:54 💯can relate!! I don’t want to stay where I am not wanted 💗
Never heard of "Mormons on Mushrooms" until this video, but I HAVE heard of C2C. That says it all.
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Truly fascinating story. I’ve never watched the other , but I’m truly enjoying learning about cult religions from your channel!!!
Female voices in this space will take over. Excited for the new COC podcast!
I just hope to provide a platform where the female voice (along with men as well) can really thrive! Thanks for being here!
Just had a squirrel moment: "if MOM is Mormons on Mushrooms then COC is... Christians on Cannabis???“
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Hahahahaha 😂
Love your love story! I know that is not this topic of this video but your content is important.
I appreciate that!❤️
Also watching this a year later after finding your great channel recently. I wonder how you feel now watching this back? You seem to have moved on a lot since then. Also now being a parent, I imagine your priorities are now different
Rooting for you girl
Thank you! 🥰
They've got a third of the subscribers that you have. And the first thing I saw was an advert for Christianity!
Never heard of em. Yt recommended a recent video to me. Love what you do.
Ooh I love what you said to him about the hypocrisy I hate men pretending to care about women without the action
Like many others, I’ve never heard of the other podcast. I’ve been watching you since the IBLP documentary came out. I’ve laughed and cried with you and your guests. You are doing such a wonderful job and it’s their loss. I think you being a woman and platforming other women who make it out of these extremely sexist cults is so powerful and necessary. Keep up the good work.
Thank you! Happy to have you here❤️
I have epilepsy and a member of the church for almost 10 years now. I take various meds. There is a new med, medical Marijuana to help control seizures. I wonder how the church would feel if I took that med. It's a pill. Not smoking it. It took a long time for most states in the USA to approve this med.
I just looked for MOMs and there are only 53 members with 3 videos? Did the channel die?
I think you're better off honestly, I loved the beginning of MOM and only listened to the episodes that you were a part of I stopped listening, as you were on less and less. Huge mistake on their part but ecstatic to see you doing something on your own! I can't wait to see what you do next! 💖
Thank you Brianna! The beginning of MoM really did have some magic in there. Thanks for coming along in this new journey! 😊 Exciting things are ahead!
I found c2c on RUclips and really enjoy your perspectives
6:16 “grounded woo” I love it 💯
Good for you!! 😏👍 I know what it feels like to be fired: It hurts. I have been hurt too. So, I applaud your efforts. I wish I could have re-invented myself like you did (I tried several times, but I crashed each time). God bless you and yours. Patricia
That sucks that your “friends” treated you as if you are disposable.
If it makes you feel any better I have never ever heard of them but you were recommended to me via the algorithm and after watching a couple of random episodes I am not binge watching your whole channel. I have subscribed and I am liking and commenting every video as I watch.
Their failure is your success.
Who else thinks this would have been different if she was a man? Who else thinks they would never have treated a man like that?
Hope the transition goes well for you and that you can look back on it as being an inflection point. As a man, always appreciate the feminine voice and perspective, we need more of that in the world. Your finance is a babe and seems very supportive, love seeing happy couples :) Certainly interested in following along with all this. One topic I've been thinking a lot about is determinism vs. free will. One of the major tenants of the mormon faith that was pounded into you is agency and coming to grips with it probably not actually being a thing has been a mind job. Always been described, and viewed myself, as a person with lots of "will power" aka agency, now i'm just like wtf do i do now??? Consciously watch myself make choices? please help lol
also, 666 subscribers currently ;)
Thank you John. I really appreciate the support! Yes, Jonathan is a straight up stud muffin and has been a huge rock and guiding light for me in all of this. That's a great topic! Thank you for the suggestion. I will see if I can find an expert on it and then add it to my list of ideas! I personally believe we have free will, and that we came here with a certain overarching mission or goal in life. For example, learning how to be brave enough to leave a cult like religion and find independence and possibly inspire others to do so. There are a million different ways that could play out to get to the same result, meaning I have a "choose your own adventure" option, however, my soul will naturally gravitate towards the choices that will result in learning the lesson that I set out for. BUT, thats just my opinion after reading books and such haha
@@CultstoConsciousness Thank you for the reply! Hopefully it comes up as a topic, especially if its different from how you think.
When I think about my own story to leave the church, sometimes I feel like it wasn't a choice. Because of the pain and overwhelming cognitive distance I had to find a way to cope.
My chosen method was running, which gave me the headspace to peal back the layers, which lead to more cognitive dissonance which lead to running further and further.
Eventually while training for my first ultra marathon, exhausted to point where I could no longer emotionally repress anything, a truth bubbled up from my subconscious. That I wasn't a bad person and that a major reason I was running this far was to punish myself and that running the way I was was basically socially acceptable self harm. That evening on the way home I came out to my wife after mentally struggling for 5 years.
@@103years oh wow. That must have been very difficult. Crazy enough, this same day you left this comment, I found an author who speaks on this exact topic. I will be reaching out to him! Stay tuned!
@@CultstoConsciousness Exciting! I'll be looking forward to listening. This weekend I was chatting w/ a friend who thinks similarly about it. A few points were: you still have to choose, the concept doesn't need to hang over you constantly but its a useful tool when considering your behavior or the behavior of others, especially if its negative and you're choosing how to respond. I also thought, reality may be determinism but practically we should act like it isn't a thing and "choose" our best life.
Thanks for giving me the Garfield punt!
New here doing a fun deep dive since its decided to pour rain for the last 36 days. Morman Stories was my June one.. Sounds like I am interested in many of the same things you talk about. I lived the reference to Woo. I just completed Delores Cannons QHHT class. Can I find Woo on this Chanel also? Nothing against the "brothers" hope the friendship survived but...hope your kicking their but 😂😂😉
Haha thank you so much. It did not survivor unfortunately. They have since hired another female host…among other new hosts. The woo wasn’t popping off so we phased a lot of it out but I’ll link a couple here for you.
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It's a lot like Mormonism it's a 1 sided conversation, "my way or no way" there's no "I" in team. There's 2 side to every story, but not always 2 sides to every conversation 😭
I just found you this week so I am a new fan! I am so frustrated for you! Totally understand the break up analogy….why couldn’t they just be honest when they started phasing you out?!? It could have saved so much hurt feelings 😢
They experienced a HUUUGE lost! Then loosing you is their BIGGEST mistake they could have made! Them saying your not a co host but they still want them on the Podcast, that’s a slap in the face. That’s like saying “we still want your ideas, we just don’t want you in the shot”.
Aww you’re too kind, Jessica 🥰 thank you
@@CultstoConsciousness I’ve always wondered what actually makes a religion different from a Cult. We (my sister and I) were never raised as hardcore Christians. We believed in God, we knew the basics. We went to church Christmas Eve & Easter (we honestly didn’t even know our church had Sunday church, just assumed it was those two days out of the year). We I was 8 I experienced some horrible SA from my Aunts Husband (my Uncle) his step son from his previous relationship. After all that came out, they (parents) decided to put us in a “private school”. We are Native American & had a Seventh Day Adventist church on the Rez that non Tribal members went to church at. They did school ONLY for Tribal kids (as an adult it’s like they were trying to spread their religion to our Rez like the Christians did in the 1800’s). None of of that went to that school came from broken homes, we weren’t poor, we didn’t fit that “church tribal school” persona they made it sound like). I remember once a year all of us had to write a thank you letter to donors who donated to keep the school running. It was never in our words. The teacher would write a letter on the board & we would have to copy it. Only about 12-15 kids total went to this school & 1 teacher taught all classes 1st-6th. We did more prayer, worship & bible study then any other subject. We would open with prayer, then do worship for an hour then bible study for an hour then move to basic courses. As I got older I realized how Cult like even the school was. Every Friday the teacher would encourage us to bring our families to Church Saturday. They were HARDCORE SAD. Like no work or eating from Friday at dusk til Saturday at dusk (every week fast that 24 hours). It was crazy!
Shelesh . . . I love the trajectory of your pod cast. I have just come from a post where you were talking about the entire Jodi Hildergrand and Ruby Freeman. Yes, you have a way of experssioning the mystic. I have just been to several of your podcasts . . . but I can't sent a monitary dontaion, which I would have done. I can't buy a -T-shirt, I can't make comment anywhere, I can;'t even BUY ANYTHING, or DONATE ANYTHING, which I tried to. You are here asking that the 'Pod Cast Be Yours." But there is no way, that I can find to be a part of this. Truthfully. . . .weird and disconceted . . .I am an ex Mororn who is a Pagan, who does facilicatre soltisitcxe, beltane etc, I could tall you so much about this! But I can''t get to you in ANYWAY? Where is the intereative? How do I get there? I've been an ex-morom for 50 years and a practicing Pagain for years . . . why can't I reach you?
Isn't it funny, we seldom know what we really really need in terms of the big picture and we can do all that we can to work towards a certain direction but at the end of the day it's the curve ball that often defines our future and we end up in a place we never thought we would going oh my goodness I'm so glad that happened when at the time we felt it to be devastating and life-altering in the negative... I found you about 3 months ago and I'm so glad I did you're so entertaining and then through you I found Mormon stories and nuance hoe and I'm so happy, I am a nevermo who is highly entertained here and cults to consciousness will always be my first love
Thank you! A lucrative curveball with a huge impact! 😁 thanks for your support
I never listened to MOM but I am so glad i found CTC you are so good and brave at what you do and i think the guests "AREN'T VULNERABLE ENOUGH" with you because you help make them feel comfortable while talking about such painful situations which is a good thing, well done for everything you have done you should be very proud ❤🙌👏🥰
Thank you!
I found you on C2C I'm glad you're running your own channel your own way because basically all of that money that those guys that made was because of you everybody knows rolling Stones isn't rolling Stones the way they way they used to be, I'm glad I found you how I did. Thanks for the money but we don't want to pay you.
Love your vibe and energy! Looking forward to more great content on your channel. Your looks and talents were being wasted on MOM. I believe everything happens for a reason. You outgrew the church and then you outgrew the podcast. They couldn't handle your awesomeness!
Hi Laycie! Thank you for your support! It means a lot! I can't wait to do all the things i've been wanting to do! It's equally exciting as it is terrifying, but having all this support makes it easier to go full steam ahead! Thanks for being here!
You definitely came out on top, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise!
Thank you!
Betrayal is betrayal whether they owned it or not. I'm so sorry you had to experience that. However, I think you are great on your own. Anyone who could grow a new age space within a Mormon community is incredibly flexible and persuasive and that's what makes you great with the wide variety of guests that you host. Leave Doug and Mike in their patriarchal box.
those wanks might as well have broken up with you on a Post-it 😒
but look at you shine 💚
even if it was skeezy, they did you (and everyone who benefits from your genius) a YUGE favor!
Congratulations ❤️
Your experience is quite similar to being fired from a corporate job. The two guys you worked with (forgot their names) took advantage of you in many ways. If they were trying to be business-like when letting you go, they failed miserably. They didn’t have the guts to just tell you about their decision. Instead they tiptoed around it, so that you had to figure it out and had to confront them first. So they wasted months? of your life, precious time that you could have been using to start the next phase of your career. Rather pathetic….
What a beautiful couple wow
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They should change the name of their podcast to Ex-mormons on mushrooms. I am an active member and frequently explore plant medicines (mushrooms, Ayahuasca, Peyote, Kambo, Bufo, Rapé). I was excited to follow their channel only to discover there are no Mormon vibes there at all. I even shared the medicines with my bishop and his wife, which improved their marriage relationship greatly
Eventually maybe you can have them to your program 😉
Hahahaha I love this idea! Hahahahaha give them some pointers maybe?
What tv show?!?!
I have listened to the podcast from almost the beginning. I am hugely disappointed in Mike and Doug. Badly done. I don’t enjoy the episodes with just the two of them. Your voice was ESSENTIAL to the balance and tone of the podcast. The episodes lately of the Mike and Doug club have had a different tone and felt very off to me. In my opinion this break with you will be the death of the podcast and maybe the community as well. I hope the community can morph and grow in a new direction from this. #minusthepatriarchy
Hi Kathryn! I'm happy to hear you were a devout listener to the MoM podcast. It makes your opinions that much more relevant. Everyone has different tastes, and having said that, I'm happy you enjoyed my flavor! lol Thanks for being here! I can't wait to see where it goes from here. #amplifywomen !
I'm very salty that they were apparently having those thoughts for *months* and still let you put in so much time and effort into the thing you helped create that they were planning to boot you out of!! 😡 I understand being uncomfortable breaking up a team, but that was their responsibility! Being in charge means the buck stops with you. That's why I've vowed never to be in charge of anything larger than a toaster 😂
So glad you have blossomed into your own space and created something that is uniquely and wholly you!! 💕