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The video "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" by the Academy of Ideas offers a profound exploration of how adversity can be a catalyst for personal growth. The insights shared resonate deeply with the timeless wisdom of philosophers and psychologists who have long recognized the transformative power of suffering. Joseph Campbell's reflection on the warrior's approach to life is a powerful reminder that embracing life's challenges is essential for personal development. By saying "yes" to life, even in the face of pain and adversity, we unlock deeper powers within ourselves. This perspective aligns with Nietzsche's famous dictum, "What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger," highlighting the potential for growth that lies within our struggles. The video emphasizes that trauma, while often seen as purely destructive, can also lead to significant personal growth. Psychologists like Stephen Joseph and the pioneers of the concept of posttraumatic growth, Richard G. Tedeschi and Lawrence G. Calhoun, have shown that individuals can emerge from traumatic experiences with increased personal strength, a greater appreciation of life, and richer relationships. This idea challenges the traditional view that trauma only leads to negative outcomes and underscores the resilience of the human spirit. Viktor Frankl's story is a testament to the power of finding meaning in suffering. His experiences in concentration camps and his subsequent contributions to psychology illustrate how one can transform immense suffering into a source of strength and purpose. Similarly, Terry Waite's ability to turn his harrowing ordeal into a positive force demonstrates the universal potential for growth through adversity. The Stoic philosophers provide valuable guidance on preparing for and enduring adversity. By contemplating potential misfortunes and accepting the uncertainty of life, we can build resilience and reduce the impact of unexpected hardships. Seneca's advice to anticipate future evils and Schopenhauer's suggestion to imagine terrible misfortunes as if they had already happened are practical strategies for cultivating a strong mindset. Nietzsche's concept of standing in a Dionysian relationship to existence further enriches this discussion. Embracing the inevitability of pain and destruction as precursors to self-transformation allows us to find strength in our darkest moments. This perspective encourages us to see adversity not as a curse but as an opportunity for rebirth and growth. In a world where a victim mentality often prevails, the message of this video is both timely and empowering. By adopting a heroic attitude towards life's challenges, we can rise above our circumstances and use adversity as a stepping stone to greater health and fulfillment. As Nietzsche and Campbell suggest, loving our fate and viewing disasters as opportunities for improvement can lead to a richer, more meaningful life. In conclusion, "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" is a compelling reminder of the resilience inherent in the human spirit. By embracing adversity and viewing it as a catalyst for growth, we can transform our lives and emerge stronger, wiser, and more compassionate. This video is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to navigate the challenges of life with courage and grace.
This is actually ironic statement Nietzsche was attacking: it is not true... "to become strong you need 2 things committment and making small changes". Might make you stronger sometimes but rely on this won't make you stronger permanently...
left a comment on your substack about child mortality. evolutionary biology plays strongly into cultural evolution regarding social-collective-individual feedback loops. women as a whole all dealt with much more trauma related to child mortality on many many levels. life has gotten very good for ALL of us by bringing down child mortality. this is one of the great miracles. but it has major psychological blowback costs and alterations. we are using technology to better ourselves, but it messes a psychological balance of things up quite a bit. in good and bad ways, and some simply not easily understood until after the fact. we solve one problem or a few sequentially, and other results , other than desire pop up , and we must learn to engage with them later. complexity ratches on a social-psychology scale.
@@Semino1eC4 you may love your addictions, however addictions don't love us back. Yet it's none other than yourself blaming away your power and opportunities for healing onto addictions, thus you never owned your responsibility to heal.
@@JustinEdwards-tg7xv all these quote are good to listen but not everyone is practical and this one ? it goes both way suffering from paralysis kills you being alive also so decides your perspective
Gross! I'm not amazed nor have I've grown from my trauma. But I have helped as much I could ease the suffering of others. Despite myself and for appreciation of my Mother. That rage, powerless, hopelessness and injustice will never be resolved. This life is a wash. Let there be nothing after this one.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 it saddens me that you are suffering so much. It is good to find comfort in helping others. I pray you will find meaning and purpose in your life that will help put your trauma in perspective. And I hope you can experience being truly loved.
"It is what it is." The sooner people realize this the easier it is to recover. In the end, the only thing we really have control over is our attitudes and actions.
Yes! I say this to people all teh time when they are complaining about things they can't change or complaining about events that have already happened, and they need to focus on moving forward, focus on the task at hand to address what already happened and cannot be changed.
I recently met someone who says that all the time and it is helpful. He used it as an excuse to not go to the doctor for years and progressed further into congestive heasrt failure than he would have by acting on the reality of his situation sooner. No easy recipe for things, acceptance is nice, but so is taking well-timed action. That serenity prayer people from AA use is quite nice for summing up that tricky ongoing balance. I personally need more "it is what it is", more fortitude and acceptance, but everything is a balance. Too much acceptance can be a problem, same as too little, it's situational, personal.
Appreciate the channel. A day in January my life changed when i fell off a roof onto concrete shattering parts of my left foot (as that's all I stuck the landing on). Still worked 2 weeks at a labor intensive job on crutches. Ladders, moving appliances, and such with a non-weight bearing foot. Some called me a freak. After i got fileted and had a bunch of metal installed in me, I was grounded for 3 months. It was bad, but I still went to a gym and maintained my upper body. My injured leg became spaghetti being ordered to not put weight on it for 2 months. Given permission to walk, i collapsed. The muscles were gone. Tendons tight. The brain forgot how to walk now mastering crutches. Fast forward, I am now working full time, going as hard as I can training, and although my mobility and strength isnt what it was in my left leg i know holding the path I will get back to what I was and even be stronger. I was very depresses before my injury. It, ironically, gave me a purpose and a struggle to overcome. Never give up.
When I was 7 years old, my father committed suicide due to drug addiction, after that I was living with my drug addictive mother, hiding syringes so my little sister wouldn't see them, and so much other shit. I was hating my life so much for quite a long time, now I am saying that I am glad for the experience I had because I am who I am at the moment of my life, and I would not change that for anything. Thanks for your videos!
Although I'm sure you've already been told this, it bears repeating even from some stranger online. Read this in your best Robin Williams' voice possible: "It's not your fault." But in all seriousness, as someone whose own family was ravaged by the opioid epidemic across three generations (and still someone managed to experience a tamed-down version of your own recollections), hearing stories like yours doesn't elicit pity from me to you, but respect. We can sit here all day and talk about how those things shouldn't have ever happened--but they did; and the fact that you were able to turn them into a life you are proud of is immensely respectable.
@@cda6590Absolutely! Very respectable & courageous too. It’s a wonderful feeling to know I’m not the only person who’s “flipped the script” I’m thankful for the struggles & grateful for the difficulties this life has given me. It’s where I found strength, beauty, joy & love.
I compare the first 17 years of my life to a hard labor prison sentence. My older sister and I suffered brutal beatings, work 7 days a week and constant mental abuse. That said, it prepared me for the hardships of adulthood. I have an amazing wife now but I have learned to only rely upon myself.
There are a lot of situations where that doesn't apply though. like abuse, especially physical and sexual abuse, no one "needs" or should accept that is happening to them because it's what they "need", a lot of people are conditioned to think that way.
If you want to create a different future and not remain a victim, you CHOOSE to say "this is what I need to make myself stronger". You don't choose WHAT happens to you, but in order to change your situation, you MUST look at it and accept it for what it is. Then do what you need to do. To not accept it, you can't change enough to gain power over it.
@@valeriefuchser780 I agree mostly but that kind of idealistic resolve is hard for some to muster, even adults, and I definitely wouldn't expect it from children or adolescents who make up the majority of people who experience that kind of trauma. accepting something has happened/is happening and deciding to do our best to change it is different than thinking it was deserved or "needed". The "this is what I need" mantra can be taken to the extreme where people think they deserved/deserve their abuse, I think it's important to acknowledge these quotes and mantras are pretty simplistic and only go so far, if they help some that's great.
I agree with Nietzsche's dictum, but it doesn't make everyone stronger. Adversity strengthens some, not all. Some are destroyed by it. We tend not to hear about those.
I remember trying to get ready for hardships at the age of 13-16. I remember bracing myself for more fucked up stuff (which I expected to deal with later in life), but my nerves can't handle even minor problems sometimes. Which is strange, because I was much more resilient during childhood. Now I just crumble under any stress
I just got in a car accident yesterday and I can attest to the fact that trauma does reveal the facade and fragility of life, life’s vastness yet simply finite nature where definitely felt yesterday. But I can say that I survived somehow, and that is the true meaning of what doesn’t kill you make you stronger
If a venomous snake bites you, and you end up not just surviving but building resistence to the venom, that's great. If you get hit by a car, and spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, you most definitely did not get stronger. Point being, not all trauma and its impact is the same, the variability is significant. And there's more to consider. This is definitely both a fascinating and difficult topic to think about. Much of the ideas are 'beautiful to imagine and think about'. And it is absolutely true that people should always 'put up a fight' in face of adversity. Struggle indeed usually is needed for significant growth. But as always, too much of anything is bad or even very bad. Personally I am one of those who believe that indeed not many people can deal with great trauma and honestly emerge out of it stronger and happier. In fact, I would not be surprised if some people, when asked about their 'great past pain', say that they 'prevailed, endured, grown, turned their life around etc.' largely bacause they could not, understandably, bear the idea of 'suffering for nothing'. In my mind, each person has let's call it a 'core personal dignity' and a 'balance of suffering and enjoyment' in life. If any of those two are sufficiently damaged by trauma or negative events, it weakens or even breaks you to the point that you know you lost something you truly needed and can never get it back. And you know this by asking yourself the question of whether you'd want to live such life again. Even many such damaged/hurt people still fight, sometimes every day, to hold on, help others, not upset family&friends, to focus on the little things that bring them some calm, meaning or enjoyment. But they know that the scars they bear are too deep and their impact too severe, for them to ever truly feel positive about life again. And then, in the worst scenarios.. there's so many suicides these days... despite unprecedented access to help, philosophy, old wisdom etc. Probably anyone who's been through depression knows what it does to one's 'sense of reality' and what havoc it can wreak on our self confidence and will to live. It's not realistic to expect that everyone can be strong, overcome severe trauma, let alone become some pinnacle of what philosophers described in their visions. The specific circumstances of every one of us, our personal psychological profile and the resulting capacity for resilience are very unique.
POst traumatic growth is also a keyword here for psychological trauma. We dont know the criteria for it to happen. ANd btw while we have unprecedented access to help an dphilosophy and wisdom, we have also an unprecedented loss of connection and social cohesion. Both is needed to heal. Getting therapy even like 4 hours a week is not enough to support a life. You need to establish social life for a meaningfull life (at least for most humans)
I've made peace with hard knocks and enjoy my life. But my optimism towards a subjectively good future is rather low. At least to an extent that whether it's worth such colossal multi-generational struggle. So whilst I'm reasonably sure I can enjoy what I do until my passing day I don't see it responsible of myself to bring a child forth into this nuthouse.
@@HHalcyonthe best way to positively influence the future is to have, and raise, good children. I get it, it doesn't happen for everyone, especially in this day and age with economic problems and gender wars, but to surrender to this mindset is essentially akin to giving up. You've got to want it, but you also have to know you'll be ok if you don't get it. People have been having kids for ages under far worse circumstances than we find ourselves in. Just don't completely rule it out. Though I don't know you, the types of people who watch channels like this are likely the types who SHOULD be procreating.
@@reinedire7872 And the end result is that we're a minority. I'll give my best to leave a lasting positive change in my own trade but I'm not feeling comfortable myself with what's going on. So I have no credible avenue with which to justify to my probable kids as to why it's nice to live here. Common sense isn't so common and I fail on that front every now and then, too. Used to fail much more when younger. A slow learner.
I knew somehow when I was young this wasn't a world I wanted to bring children into. Fast forward 40 years and what I'm seeing is proving me right. The state and technology are taking away parents ability to properly raise their own children ,with constant brainwashing and violent video content for consumption. The powers that shouldn't be partnered with major corporations, are putting out good little worker drones,and major victims and revolutionaries from schools and colleges in order to maintain the status quo. This planet and it's inhabitants are being destroyed so the few can rule over the many. Soo,humans need to pull their heads out of their asses,get their shit together, and start righting all these wrongs we've been allowing to happen for thousands of years now,or we will go the way of the dinosaurs. I could be wrong,but I don't think I am. IMHO
I look back as the toughest times in my life as the best as those long dark days made me the person I am today. The majority of entitled young nowadays just don't understand this and enjoy the victim mentality. There's never been so much opportunity for young people.
While belief in one self is crucial and a good trait to have, sometimes little bit of belief from other people can be a spark that ignites ones soul. Try to be that spark, and in turn, the flame that you ignite may fuel you too.
This is very valuable information but one thing is untrue; it's not 75% of people who experience trauma in their life-time but rather 100%. And as a collective, today, we are all experiencing the trauma of uncertainty in relationship to impending war and only Lord knows what else. This is said as a retired psychotherapist that was in mental health in London for 32-years.
I told that to a friend of mine who had suffered a broken neck in a car accident and wound up a quadriplegic. He got really angry. What a lack of perspective he has.
It's about the character internally at the end of the day but yeah buddy I'd be mad asf too like ngha I ain't tryna hear all that less y get me a sam Rhodes exo suit war machine🤦🏿♂️💀☠️💔😒😂😂😂❤
This, only to tell yourself. Dont say it to your friend or family who are suffering. Why? Because what they need from you is emotional support, not judgement or belittle their pain. Eventhough I am much stronger, deeper, or compassionate and resilience after facing and healing trauma, I still wish I didn't hear those "advice" from people I love. They hurted me so much. I was so angry and lonely due to their words.
The task of the one who has experienced a great trauma is to overcome that trauma. The task of overcoming such a trauma is realized day by day, throughout the course of your life. We don't wake up one day finding that we have become entirely liberated from our pain -- we always have to choose to say "yes" to life in spite of it. But saying "yes" like this takes a great amount of strength, and every time we say "yes" we get a bit stronger. The stronger we get, the less it hurts, but the pain never truly goes away and our scars are a faint reminder of the pain of our old wounds. Importantly: what doesn't kill you doesn't make you happy or ignorant of the harshness of life, it just makes you strong.
@@chindianajones3742 Of course one could have an internal scar, from say a surgical-related traumatic injury, the wounded scar could develop sepsis. Then, it’s a game of craps.
I agree with some and others. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger at some parts and weaker at other parts. Period. Some you gain, some you lose. Everything comes with a price. And yes, it also depends on who you are, your mental and physical capacities too.
I've spent the last four years undergoing treatment for a type of blood cancer that roughly 2 in a million people get diagnosed with. It's basically cancer and motor neuro in nature plus a slew of other things all wrapped into one disease. I wouldn't be the person I am now without having gone through this character x-ray. It's the best thing that ever happened to me. I'm that much stronger because of it. Im strangely proud of it. No one else I know can trade in this currency.
This video arrived just in the moment when i'm losing sight of things and of the light. While i hear the message and wisdom (to which i am grateful for), i admit that i'm struggling to see the end of my current conflict and am grieving tremendously about it. 😢
Claiming that suffering makes you stronger is preposterous. All depends on a person and his psyche. A severe trauma may completely destroy one person but may not have the same devastating effect on another one. It`s not so universal as others are claiming it to be. It`s extremely dangerous to push people in this direction and encourage them to face or cope suffering bravely.
I was reflecting on this yesterday, and I must disagree with the saying 'What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.' A more accurate version might be, 'What doesn't kill you could leave you deeply wounded.' Unfortunate events can lead to PTSD, intensifying the amygdala’s response and fundamentally altering how someone perceives and interprets the world. This often results in negative outcomes, such as a sense of disconnection or a void that drains compassion for life-creating a destructive feedback loop that can persist indefinitely.
One of the best pieces of advice i ever heard was when i was working in a kitchen for the summer between highschool and college. I burned myself on a broth pot and all the ood heads said in unison "Ya burn ya learn!"
I can relate to this after i broke my ankle pretty bad 6 months ago. Wouldn’t want to ever go through it again but I’m grateful of the positive changes it’s had in my life overall since.
Finding joy, courage and most of all, faith, in our adversity or tragedy is the ultimate benefit. It is not in regained strength or imprived intellect or understanding. It is finding faith, joy, hope, and love in the worst of situations... that is strength.
I have been broken by trauma (mental) in life, and I do not believe it made me stronger. It made me more reflective, wiser, more philosophical. But 10 years after the break, I am still a mess. So I am wondering a few things. You mentioned a study of people having experienced trauma, and if they got stronger in any way. I would like to know, if you asked these people "With your current strenghts and weaknesses in mind, would you rather be with or without the traumatic event?" I would guess most would say "without". I know that in those ponderings there is a bias towards not rocking the boat, so maybe some would say with, but that depends upon what has happened in their life after the trauma, not the trauma itself. For instance if someone met their wife after the event, they could hesitate, because what if removing the trauma meant losing her. I am wondering if the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is more of a survival mechanism in our minds than an actual truth. In a way like when a young couple sees parents scolding their children and they think "we can do better than that!" and therefore jump naively into parenthood. If humanity didn't have that, many people would hesitate becoming parents. So maybe no growth took place, but only the illusion of one.
If it made you more reflective and wiser, it sharpened your mind; which is the most powerful weapon you have under your complete control. So you did gain strength; of course it is not my place to comment on your pain, but if I may give some food for thought? Recovery is not only about strength. Each time we are hurt, we must lick our wounds and wait for them to heal. Sometimes it takes a month, sometimes it takes half a lifetime.
It is hard to quantify. You might have gained something from the experience, but you also probably lost a lot due to that experience. I would definitely be better off without debilitating anxiety. By how much? I don't know. I personally think it's a cope, most successful, happiest people rarely come out, out of a traumatic past. Dwelling over it will not help you, so it's better not to think about it, but it is very weird how people try to glorify it in the comments, as if they would've had worse upbringing if they didn't come out of a drug den according to one commenter. You probably would've grown just as much with time, rather than the experience itself.
@@IgnasV Good catch on the glorify part actually. Seems to stem as a rebound effect of the overly victimizing...culture? I don't know what to call it. Though it is also interesting to see others in comments belittling other subjective traumas and pain, daring to put ones pain above anyone else is a sign of lack of understanding but i digress.
I agree, I feel like stuff like this is kinda toxic positively. I lived for 40 years not knowing I'm dyslexic and autistic + lots of other childhood/adult neglect, abuse and chronic illness. I've never been on a date, let alone most of the other life milestones. Stronger maybe, I'm still alive but I still struggle with life.
@@Ashdorath In a way yes, But what I tried to point out is, what if the trauma didn't happen, who's to say I wouldn't have become just as wise just by being alive longer. What if the trauma had been milder and thus the aftermath shorter. No one can say for certain what the outcome of life would have been with or without something, but "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" assumes (presumes?) to know just that, and I don't believe you can say that. And just for fun, imagine that it was verifiably true, shouldn't that turn the justice system upside down? "Oh you attacked and paralyzed this person, wow you really made them stronger, here is a cash bonus for your service!" "What's this!!! You treated you loved one with care and compassion!!! How dare you, now they are going to grow up weak!" Wouldn't that be a world! I like the saying "It is easier to create healthy children, than to fix broken adults"
My father died in 2015. i was traumatize from that very day and now my elder brother died at the young age of 42 on 21 march 2024. none of it makes me strong or add anything to so called personal growth.its all bs. their is nothing good in suffering or pain.
@r0br33r lmao what are a 30 year old man making fun of someone who just lost a loved one? Clearly not, because only a child would do something so immature. Grow up, dude.
The loss of a loved one is like losing a limb. It is a support system for the body, but perhaps it will make your other limb(s) stronger in some way. IMO it is not a net benefit, but rather a transfer of strength.
@@r0br33r being unempathetic is weak. Lol. Get over your strong man schtick. Someone who harbours resilience wouldn't say something as stupid. You'd know these territories and you'd find a part of you that resonates. Just because you overcame something doesn't make you a master of adversity. You're lucky you had the capacity for perspective, environment and yeah, also personal will. But because someone else didn't, you aren't entitled to make fun. You may not agree with an eternal denial. But you can at teh very least try to understand them
In reality what doesn`t kill you immediately weakens you and instead kills you slowly, it do not make you stronger... (I really wish I learned that lesson before it was to late...).
Don't know why some people don't like the saying I understand your personal life expierence may oppose this but human beings at are core have the power to adapt and become more resilient in the face of adversity denying this I believe will only hurt you more in the future
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy Der are so many inflictions that indead do not kill, but make you weaker. Taek depression for example. How does having a major depression for 15 years make you stronger?
@Rithmy I see your point but as someone Who has depression the part of you that becomes stronger and adapts isn't always the physical or even the mental but the spiritual in my life there have been so many soul crushing times that have had lasting effects on my heart but because of those wounds I've learned and started to feel that pain isn't so bad that infection because of tha t pain I can resist that pain and tolerate even greater pain and pain is the catyalst to growth or so many would agree so while having depression for 15 years weakens you in ways it also strengthens you in many
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy Tolerating Pain is not the solution. When listening to Vietnam war veterans talking about their experiences, i can tell you that it numbs everything. You can't numb the pain without also numbing the pleasure. And pleasure is also a great catalyst for growth. But more importantly is the environment. We need safety for growth. Without safety there is no growth. You won't explore when unsafe. YOu wont try out new things while unsafe. You will stick to the old. Thats not a recipee for growth. Its nice to see positive sides of hard times, but lets not overrationalize abuse. You can tell this spiritual growth yourself. But i would refrian talking about it like that to young people. ONLY YOU understand you spiritual world. I does not make sense to talk about this type of grwoth to others as it is only misunderstood. Do you know what young people think and why i hate this saying (what doesnt kiill you makes you stronger)? THey think that only harsh consequences will educate them. They think that they can do anything unless it kills them. They rationalize they abusive relationship with that!!! They stay with their violent partner that hits them everyday because they think it makes them stronger because it doesnt kill them!! DO you really want to be responsible for such a misunderstanding?
Adversity will change you. That it makes you stronger depends on countless factors though. And a lot of them we cannot influence. We all fight a different battle imo. Life can be absolutely vile and merciless to many of us. It is worth though fighting or striving for a life worth living for. For me that is my life and the lives of the people around me.
This feels like survivorship bias + cope. Those who are strong enough to endure trauma grow from it and live to report it as strengthening them. Those who are too weak die or at least break. Regardless, all of us have to cope with trauma
@@Archimedes1988 think of it in the context of war. If we want to know what fighting a war is like, we will ask war veterans. This is an Intrinsically biased opinion though, because we never hear the opinions of the men who die in war.
@@DuncanL7979 I see. But, allow me to point out, that isn’t the point of Nietzsche’s statement. The opposite of “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is “what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker,” not “You either live or you die when you go through something.”
The best partner I’ve ever had breaking up with me nearly took me out - made me think about my entire life and wishing I lived xyz thing differently in order because in my mind it might have brought forth a more secure attachment pattern, perhaps less unhelpful anxiety, a more robust social life… however, now almost a year later since the break up - I feel as though she helped me realize my weaknesses better and overall helped me grow psychologically to a more mature adult. So in the end, I choose the the best I can that this awful pain of grief and loss that I experience / still on and off feel - was the most potent catalyst for a more fulfilling life, optimistic perspective. I’ve also seen people that look like trauma took them out of the game for a long time and they didn’t engage back with life overall driving themselves deeper into the hole through shrinking for to long and numbing out to life with vices.
Hypertension almost killed me and it certainly has made me weaker lmao. My mindset is not the same, I also lost weight, I can’t do the things I used to do AND I feel very vulnerable.
You mean "e.g." Cancer doesn't always kill you and you sound like you didn't even watch the video but are simply triggered by the fact that some people aren't broken and perpetually bitter over the fact that life has sickness and death in store for us.
If you read my post... it weakens you for the next round of cancer... so no it doesn't "always kill" but it *always* weakens you. Sounds like you were triggered by that idea.
Sometimes. Nothing is ALWAYS true. Depends on person, environment, experience, etc. we want things to be predictable, for there to be "rules", happy endings. Shit happens all the time. Just another saying to make someone feel better. I know plenty of instances where it ddnt make anyone stronger. It does, however, often make u more empathetic or compassionate when it happens to others, hence, the success of AA, for example.
I havent the worst sufferings, but somethings i gone through have made me stronger. Having fortitude is a great virtue i believe. I think that's what's lacking with people nowadays.
I honestly don't know a single example in my life where traumatic events made a person's life better. They just say they are happy to finally deal with stuff, so it's only better if it never happened to begin with My friend had some kind of cancer in his brain about 10 years ago and after he managed to live through it he went full religious looney, it's all a necessary cope to deal with the fact that he almost died and is unable to work because his illness can come back at any time.
@@AMFPSgamer the problem, even when stuff isn't as traumatic as my previous example, is time lost and timeframe Usually when something bad happens you have to deal with it absolutely alone and if it hits you at the wrong time it just wastes your time. In my case it was poverty during my teens and early adulthood. Yeah, I got out of it, all alone. Yeah I guess I'm stronger etc. But so what? I'm 30 now. I'm 10 years behind now in development I'm going to be 40 by the time I will establish myself enough to have actually a stable life, by that time everyone will be preoccupied with their stuff, kids, families and so on. It's just never ending catch up
@@regularguy3879 thats exactly my point. What's the point of becoming "stronger" when you lost your youth and time? What exactly you gonna do with that strongness in your 40s 50s when others already get success and move on while you are still behind them by decades?
Agreed every adverse experience I had, made me learn and Grow I came out stronger better wiser from it all ❤ it's how you look at things, how you use the experiences, that makes all the difference. No-one taught me to be like it, just something inside of me guided me right ❤
6:35 the human psyche has evolved the capacity to overcome trauma. Thats not correct. You should read 'The body keeps the score' by Bessel Van Der Kolk. Trauma is not something that heals automatically and naturally. One thing is something painful, another different trauma. There's a treshold after which the body and mind gets scarred. And requires special help to recover, if at all.
James 1:2-4 "Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."
6:01 personally i dont agree. Youre ignoring all the people who were on the same place as Frankl yet failed to sustain his attitude. Frankl mentioned it himself. I dont think is 100% a choice, nor that anyone, or even most, can adopt this mentality. It may be worth strivingmfor it. Sometimes the pain is too big, sometimes the tools are not there, sometimes the person lacks the physical state (e.g. biology). In the end we have to be aware of the usual pitfals of self-help, of blaming and self-blaming (i know that's not implied on the video).
I've had a wonderful life with some serious adverse events that always had silver linings. Eventually I wrote about my life and and named the positive results triggered by adverse events, "evils silver lining". However, I found that the positive results appear to depend on how conscientious a person is. Unfortunately, most people disregard their conscience out of greed to their own demise. My book, "Heart Consciousness" is for people who are interested in opening and following the Holy Spirit who resides in our hearts.
I look at old athletes with broken bodies and brains and know this isn't true. What doesn't kill you can leave you in constant suffering until you die, happens a lot.
We are speaking about the mind here, not the body. And, unlike the body, the mind is only limited by your own imagination and willpower. That isn't to say, people can overcome every obstacle, many don't. It only says, that if you can prepare yourself properly, you will. Read Frankl, and see Solzhenitsyn's work as another example.
@@geoffhart Those athletes minds are wrecked too from brain damage. It's not all about willpower. But yeah, I get the actual point of the video and it's fine. I just like being a little shit and arguing :)
@@user-wk4ee4bf8g Similar for ‘Nam Vets, exposed to Agent 0, et al. Especially R/C0N and Special Fs. Now c*n cer. No remedy. Agonizing departure. Seeing brave men, who have never complained, experience such torment-yet still not complaining, due to specific training-matches nothing else I have lived through. I’m not broken; I’m completely shattered.
You obviously miss the point.. It is the scars, trauma, and/or crippledness, that CAN make you mentally stronger.. But it does NOT strengthen the weak of mind.. I would agree that it is inaccurately stated, as it really should be "what doesn't kill you, CAN make you stronger".. It doesn't apply to everyone...
@@anotherperspective8263 it's not even about if it can or can't. Too much suffering isn't good and certain kinds of suffering is never good. Who do you think stronger someone whose been starved and weighs 90lbs from hunger, has no energy or strength in their body or someone whose well fed and healthy?
@@Bloomer0609 Again it seems that you miss the point.. You are thinking in terms of physical strength.. Real "strength" has nothing to do with body weight.. The person that is well fed wouldn't last a day in the life of the starving person...
I hate that I think all of these thoughts, yet everyone makes me feel guilty about it and paints me as negative, because they're less educated on the topics
What do you say to a young child who's suffering trauma, or has suffered it, or to that adult. I was regularly beaten and abused from a very young age by my mentally unwell father. I grew up hating myself. I understand now why that was, and I'm in a better place,but it took 30 years. I could've done without it frankly, and as a child I hadn't the maturity to cope.
I would say as an adult you have the ability to become stronger through the struggle to deal with what happened. As the video said, there is nothing positive about trauma, but in the struggle to deal with what happened positive change can arise.
@@M64936at the tender age you don't need lessons or abuse to make you stronger. Its totally horrific that kids get abused by their parents who are supposed to protect and love them. Most such kids get permanently wound by it. No point in lecturing them about strongness.
No little part of the torment of existence lies in this, that Time is continually pressing upon us, never letting us take breath, but always coming after us, like a taskmaster with a whip. If at any moment Time stays his hand, it is only when we are delivered over to the misery of boredom.
It really can be make or break. I am struggling to deal with bad neighbors. There are worse problems but this is on going and making hard to not do something stupid.
People who say this have never been in real hell. Read misery does not make you stronger; it may reveal who your really are, however it also has a cost.
I doubt you've been in any more hell than the rest of us (if not less than many of us). you simply haven't grown from it yet. Natural selection weeds out the weak among us, the rest of us grow stronger.
Trauma and life helps you build resilance and makes u who u become, its how u respond to the challenges . It is hard at the time but in time u look back and say yes it never broke me nearly very nearly but it helped me grow to become a caring kind individual, but of I get crossed its not kind ppl remember 😅. You are never were u r not supposed to be. #KeepinitReal #Happydays #KeepLifted
I absolutely do not believe any of this shift of feelings over facts. Feelings being few, facts being many. If this were the case, The World would a Utopia. I would have my people, go to a great place and I want all my things. Everyone but me, mine and us are having their dreams come true. People help them, they go where they want free and freely and brought all their friends and family along for the ride. It's a wonderful World.
Most trauma is mental in modern west. Society has more than ever and people still victims. Try being homeless for 6 years, and this is just part of the adverse conditions in that time. This still isnt nearly as bad as people's hardships have been historically. Every new generation has woes that it is experiencing the first time like nobody in the past has had more traumatic experiences. It is real in their mind.Modern society supports this. Turn off everything people take for granted. Running water,elecricity ,tranportation, modern medical support, cell phones, food supply chain, internet etc and see who survives. Seek nothing outside of yourself. Miyamoto Musashi.We are all fat cats in west.
As a young teen, I began to identify as transgender. I was going through hell and was seduced even further into darkness, where I stayed for five, grueling years. When I stopped identifying as trans (which took about a year for me to fully accept), it was like an anchor was removed from my life. I've learned so much since then, my art has gotten better, I've grown closer to God, and just love life itself so much more than before. While I wouldn't wish ROGD/delusions on anyone, it taught me humility and grace, and will forever be core phase in my life.
The fact that what doesn't kill us makes us stronger is ingrained into human physiology. We are the species that make of itself what it wills. "The obstacle is the way" Marcus Aurelius ❤
I've had what I thought was bad things happening... and on more than one occasion, it turned out to be a good thing. Always the best content. Great Art. Great lesson. Keep fighting brothers.
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The video "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" by the Academy of Ideas offers a profound exploration of how adversity can be a catalyst for personal growth. The insights shared resonate deeply with the timeless wisdom of philosophers and psychologists who have long recognized the transformative power of suffering.
Joseph Campbell's reflection on the warrior's approach to life is a powerful reminder that embracing life's challenges is essential for personal development. By saying "yes" to life, even in the face of pain and adversity, we unlock deeper powers within ourselves. This perspective aligns with Nietzsche's famous dictum, "What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger," highlighting the potential for growth that lies within our struggles.
The video emphasizes that trauma, while often seen as purely destructive, can also lead to significant personal growth. Psychologists like Stephen Joseph and the pioneers of the concept of posttraumatic growth, Richard G. Tedeschi and Lawrence G. Calhoun, have shown that individuals can emerge from traumatic experiences with increased personal strength, a greater appreciation of life, and richer relationships. This idea challenges the traditional view that trauma only leads to negative outcomes and underscores the resilience of the human spirit.
Viktor Frankl's story is a testament to the power of finding meaning in suffering. His experiences in concentration camps and his subsequent contributions to psychology illustrate how one can transform immense suffering into a source of strength and purpose. Similarly, Terry Waite's ability to turn his harrowing ordeal into a positive force demonstrates the universal potential for growth through adversity.
The Stoic philosophers provide valuable guidance on preparing for and enduring adversity. By contemplating potential misfortunes and accepting the uncertainty of life, we can build resilience and reduce the impact of unexpected hardships. Seneca's advice to anticipate future evils and Schopenhauer's suggestion to imagine terrible misfortunes as if they had already happened are practical strategies for cultivating a strong mindset.
Nietzsche's concept of standing in a Dionysian relationship to existence further enriches this discussion. Embracing the inevitability of pain and destruction as precursors to self-transformation allows us to find strength in our darkest moments. This perspective encourages us to see adversity not as a curse but as an opportunity for rebirth and growth.
In a world where a victim mentality often prevails, the message of this video is both timely and empowering. By adopting a heroic attitude towards life's challenges, we can rise above our circumstances and use adversity as a stepping stone to greater health and fulfillment. As Nietzsche and Campbell suggest, loving our fate and viewing disasters as opportunities for improvement can lead to a richer, more meaningful life.
In conclusion, "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" is a compelling reminder of the resilience inherent in the human spirit. By embracing adversity and viewing it as a catalyst for growth, we can transform our lives and emerge stronger, wiser, and more compassionate. This video is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to navigate the challenges of life with courage and grace.
This is actually ironic statement Nietzsche was attacking: it is not true... "to become strong you need 2 things committment and making small changes". Might make you stronger sometimes but rely on this won't make you stronger permanently...
left a comment on your substack about child mortality. evolutionary biology plays strongly into cultural evolution regarding social-collective-individual feedback loops. women as a whole all dealt with much more trauma related to child mortality on many many levels. life has gotten very good for ALL of us by bringing down child mortality. this is one of the great miracles. but it has major psychological blowback costs and alterations. we are using technology to better ourselves, but it messes a psychological balance of things up quite a bit. in good and bad ways, and some simply not easily understood until after the fact. we solve one problem or a few sequentially, and other results , other than desire pop up , and we must learn to engage with them later. complexity ratches on a social-psychology scale.
Thanks for making these through provoking videos. You bring together knowledge from different thinkers really well.
You should stop spying on me! Its creepy.
"Sometimes what doesn't kill you makes you very weak, and almost dead!"
- Norm McDonald
Death is inevitable?... Does it matter, grow some balls
What doesn't kill you mutates and tries again...
@@Semino1eC4 you may love your addictions, however addictions don't love us back. Yet it's none other than yourself blaming away your power and opportunities for healing onto addictions, thus you never owned your responsibility to heal.
May he rest in peace
@@JustinEdwards-tg7xv all these quote are good to listen but not everyone is practical and this one ? it goes both way suffering from paralysis kills you being alive also so decides your perspective
It’s funny how traumatic events that nearly ended me decades ago seem so insignificant now.
Congrats on the growth my friend
aye , aye indeed Sir .
Gross! I'm not amazed nor have I've grown from my trauma. But I have helped as much I could ease the suffering of others. Despite myself and for appreciation of my Mother. That rage, powerless, hopelessness and injustice will never be resolved. This life is a wash. Let there be nothing after this one.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 it saddens me that you are suffering so much. It is good to find comfort in helping others. I pray you will find meaning and purpose in your life that will help put your trauma in perspective. And I hope you can experience being truly loved.
Am tired of sh*t not killing me & only making me stronger
"It is what it is." The sooner people realize this the easier it is to recover. In the end, the only thing we really have control over is our attitudes and actions.
Yes! I say this to people all teh time when they are complaining about things they can't change or complaining about events that have already happened, and they need to focus on moving forward, focus on the task at hand to address what already happened and cannot be changed.
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I recently met someone who says that all the time and it is helpful. He used it as an excuse to not go to the doctor for years and progressed further into congestive heasrt failure than he would have by acting on the reality of his situation sooner. No easy recipe for things, acceptance is nice, but so is taking well-timed action. That serenity prayer people from AA use is quite nice for summing up that tricky ongoing balance. I personally need more "it is what it is", more fortitude and acceptance, but everything is a balance. Too much acceptance can be a problem, same as too little, it's situational, personal.
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Newton's 3rd Law.
Karma.
Galatians 6:7,8.
In my experience, that which doesn't kill you still fucks you up pretty good.
hear hear, but just grin and bare it; UGH!
embrace the suck.
@@thedreadtyger Exactly. Always out-numbered, always out-gunned. Wouldn't have it any other way.
Surest
Never to late to change your perception
Appreciate the channel.
A day in January my life changed when i fell off a roof onto concrete shattering parts of my left foot (as that's all I stuck the landing on).
Still worked 2 weeks at a labor intensive job on crutches. Ladders, moving appliances, and such with a non-weight bearing foot. Some called me a freak.
After i got fileted and had a bunch of metal installed in me, I was grounded for 3 months. It was bad, but I still went to a gym and maintained my upper body. My injured leg became spaghetti being ordered to not put weight on it for 2 months.
Given permission to walk, i collapsed. The muscles were gone. Tendons tight. The brain forgot how to walk now mastering crutches.
Fast forward, I am now working full time, going as hard as I can training, and although my mobility and strength isnt what it was in my left leg i know holding the path I will get back to what I was and even be stronger.
I was very depresses before my injury. It, ironically, gave me a purpose and a struggle to overcome.
Never give up.
Thanks for sharing that. Seriously well done.
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When I was 7 years old, my father committed suicide due to drug addiction, after that I was living with my drug addictive mother, hiding syringes so my little sister wouldn't see them, and so much other shit. I was hating my life so much for quite a long time, now I am saying that I am glad for the experience I had because I am who I am at the moment of my life, and I would not change that for anything. Thanks for your videos!
Although I'm sure you've already been told this, it bears repeating even from some stranger online. Read this in your best Robin Williams' voice possible:
"It's not your fault."
But in all seriousness, as someone whose own family was ravaged by the opioid epidemic across three generations (and still someone managed to experience a tamed-down version of your own recollections), hearing stories like yours doesn't elicit pity from me to you, but respect. We can sit here all day and talk about how those things shouldn't have ever happened--but they did; and the fact that you were able to turn them into a life you are proud of is immensely respectable.
@@cda6590Absolutely! Very respectable & courageous too.
It’s a wonderful feeling to know I’m not the only person who’s “flipped the script”
I’m thankful for the struggles & grateful for the difficulties this life has given me. It’s where I found strength, beauty, joy & love.
I compare the first 17 years of my life to a hard labor prison sentence. My older sister and I suffered brutal beatings, work 7 days a week and constant mental abuse. That said, it prepared me for the hardships of adulthood. I have an amazing wife now but I have learned to only rely upon myself.
I had Drug addicted mother and I ended up addicted to drugs too. It was a horrible time but now I don’t get shook easily
Whatever doesn't kill you will probably give you incredibly unhealthy coping mechanisms.
Haha yes, isolation from the world.
I don't aspire to be unbreakable. I will break. But I will reclaim myself and grow stronger through life's catalyst.
Whatever come at you, say "this is what i need". Speechless.
There are a lot of situations where that doesn't apply though. like abuse, especially physical and sexual abuse, no one "needs" or should accept that is happening to them because it's what they "need", a lot of people are conditioned to think that way.
If you want to create a different future and not remain a victim, you CHOOSE to say "this is what I need to make myself stronger". You don't choose WHAT happens to you, but in order to change your situation, you MUST look at it and accept it for what it is. Then do what you need to do.
To not accept it, you can't change enough to gain power over it.
@@valeriefuchser780 I agree mostly but that kind of idealistic resolve is hard for some to muster, even adults, and I definitely wouldn't expect it from children or adolescents who make up the majority of people who experience that kind of trauma. accepting something has happened/is happening and deciding to do our best to change it is different than thinking it was deserved or "needed". The "this is what I need" mantra can be taken to the extreme where people think they deserved/deserve their abuse, I think it's important to acknowledge these quotes and mantras are pretty simplistic and only go so far, if they help some that's great.
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I agree with Nietzsche's dictum, but it doesn't make everyone stronger. Adversity strengthens some, not all. Some are destroyed by it. We tend not to hear about those.
It seems to be a choice.
@@ransbarger Or how attached to things we get.
If it was the case that it makes everyone trauma, he never would’ve needed to say it.
I remember trying to get ready for hardships at the age of 13-16. I remember bracing myself for more fucked up stuff (which I expected to deal with later in life), but my nerves can't handle even minor problems sometimes. Which is strange, because I was much more resilient during childhood. Now I just crumble under any stress
Life is a trial by fire. The point stands that trauma is an opportunity for growth but not all will avail of it
I used to think this but to a point, yes, it does make you better but at what cost does the trauma enflict over time...
I just got in a car accident yesterday and I can attest to the fact that trauma does reveal the facade and fragility of life, life’s vastness yet simply finite nature where definitely felt yesterday. But I can say that I survived somehow, and that is the true meaning of what doesn’t kill you make you stronger
Now I remember why I subbed to this channel.
Bless.
If a venomous snake bites you, and you end up not just surviving but building resistence to the venom, that's great. If you get hit by a car, and spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, you most definitely did not get stronger. Point being, not all trauma and its impact is the same, the variability is significant. And there's more to consider.
This is definitely both a fascinating and difficult topic to think about. Much of the ideas are 'beautiful to imagine and think about'. And it is absolutely true that people should always 'put up a fight' in face of adversity. Struggle indeed usually is needed for significant growth. But as always, too much of anything is bad or even very bad. Personally I am one of those who believe that indeed not many people can deal with great trauma and honestly emerge out of it stronger and happier. In fact, I would not be surprised if some people, when asked about their 'great past pain', say that they 'prevailed, endured, grown, turned their life around etc.' largely bacause they could not, understandably, bear the idea of 'suffering for nothing'.
In my mind, each person has let's call it a 'core personal dignity' and a 'balance of suffering and enjoyment' in life. If any of those two are sufficiently damaged by trauma or negative events, it weakens or even breaks you to the point that you know you lost something you truly needed and can never get it back. And you know this by asking yourself the question of whether you'd want to live such life again. Even many such damaged/hurt people still fight, sometimes every day, to hold on, help others, not upset family&friends, to focus on the little things that bring them some calm, meaning or enjoyment. But they know that the scars they bear are too deep and their impact too severe, for them to ever truly feel positive about life again. And then, in the worst scenarios.. there's so many suicides these days... despite unprecedented access to help, philosophy, old wisdom etc. Probably anyone who's been through depression knows what it does to one's 'sense of reality' and what havoc it can wreak on our self confidence and will to live. It's not realistic to expect that everyone can be strong, overcome severe trauma, let alone become some pinnacle of what philosophers described in their visions. The specific circumstances of every one of us, our personal psychological profile and the resulting capacity for resilience are very unique.
POst traumatic growth is also a keyword here for psychological trauma. We dont know the criteria for it to happen.
ANd btw while we have unprecedented access to help an dphilosophy and wisdom, we have also an unprecedented loss of connection and social cohesion. Both is needed to heal. Getting therapy even like 4 hours a week is not enough to support a life. You need to establish social life for a meaningfull life (at least for most humans)
200% agree and best comment.
What doesn't kill you makes you
not want to do that again.
While hard knocks may prepare us for more hard knocks, it's certainly not anyone's preferred process.
I've made peace with hard knocks and enjoy my life. But my optimism towards a subjectively good future is rather low. At least to an extent that whether it's worth such colossal multi-generational struggle. So whilst I'm reasonably sure I can enjoy what I do until my passing day I don't see it responsible of myself to bring a child forth into this nuthouse.
@@HHalcyonthe best way to positively influence the future is to have, and raise, good children. I get it, it doesn't happen for everyone, especially in this day and age with economic problems and gender wars, but to surrender to this mindset is essentially akin to giving up. You've got to want it, but you also have to know you'll be ok if you don't get it. People have been having kids for ages under far worse circumstances than we find ourselves in. Just don't completely rule it out. Though I don't know you, the types of people who watch channels like this are likely the types who SHOULD be procreating.
@@reinedire7872 And the end result is that we're a minority. I'll give my best to leave a lasting positive change in my own trade but I'm not feeling comfortable myself with what's going on. So I have no credible avenue with which to justify to my probable kids as to why it's nice to live here. Common sense isn't so common and I fail on that front every now and then, too. Used to fail much more when younger. A slow learner.
I knew somehow when I was young this wasn't a world I wanted to bring children into. Fast forward 40 years and what I'm seeing is proving me right. The state and technology are taking away parents ability to properly raise their own children ,with constant brainwashing and violent video content for consumption. The powers that shouldn't be partnered with major corporations, are putting out good little worker drones,and major victims and revolutionaries from schools and colleges in order to maintain the status quo. This planet and it's inhabitants are being destroyed so the few can rule over the many. Soo,humans need to pull their heads out of their asses,get their shit together, and start righting all these wrongs we've been allowing to happen for thousands of years now,or we will go the way of the dinosaurs. I could be wrong,but I don't think I am. IMHO
I look back as the toughest times in my life as the best as those long dark days made me the person I am today. The majority of entitled young nowadays just don't understand this and enjoy the victim mentality. There's never been so much opportunity for young people.
While belief in one self is crucial and a good trait to have, sometimes little bit of belief from other people can be a spark that ignites ones soul. Try to be that spark, and in turn, the flame that you ignite may fuel you too.
This is very valuable information but one thing is untrue; it's not 75% of people who experience trauma in their life-time but rather 100%. And as a collective, today, we are all experiencing the trauma of uncertainty in relationship to impending war and only Lord knows what else. This is said as a retired psychotherapist that was in mental health in London for 32-years.
I told that to a friend of mine who had suffered a broken neck in a car accident and wound up a quadriplegic. He got really angry. What a lack of perspective he has.
It's actually still a good example, if you were to overcome that and find peace I think you would have become stronger
I seriously can't tell if you are being honest, or sarcastic...
The criminal debt slave system we suffer does not kill everyone and those that survive are not made stronger, only more subservient!
No context here…huh? This is confusing. Angry for you or what…?
It's about the character internally at the end of the day but yeah buddy I'd be mad asf too like ngha I ain't tryna hear all that less y get me a sam Rhodes exo suit war machine🤦🏿♂️💀☠️💔😒😂😂😂❤
This, only to tell yourself. Dont say it to your friend or family who are suffering. Why? Because what they need from you is emotional support, not judgement or belittle their pain.
Eventhough I am much stronger, deeper, or compassionate and resilience after facing and healing trauma, I still wish I didn't hear those "advice" from people I love. They hurted me so much. I was so angry and lonely due to their words.
This channel changed my life. Been watching for years since I was a teenager. Thank you for everythjbg
How has it changed your life?
If something doesnt kill you it may mean that you were already stronger in the first place
Underrated comment.
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Good point.
What does not kill me, just makes me angrier!
....thus stronger
@@SoloRenegade Depends on the action(s) taken.
@@fillmorehillmore8239 yes, some cower, some rise to the occasion. nature selects for the strongest.
Grow strong, or let it destroy you.
And when I’m angry I must lift heavy objects !
Spite Makes Might
What doesn't kill you makes you ...
STRANGER
"I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy."
-Trevor Goodchild.
Heath ledger himself died at the age of 28.
This is the first time I have heard "will to power" as being a will to self overcoming and growth. Sounds positive when you put it that way.
"I disagree. What doesn't kill you makes you very, very weak." - Norm MacDonald.
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You don't lose battles to cancer.
It's a tie.
exactly, if you overstress yourself or burnout, you never truly recover. also trauma of all sorts tend to linger manifest in some or other form.
They say gambling is a disease, but its the only disease where you can win alot of money. Normie.
Depending on PERSONAL perspective. Both parties are right about their OWN beliefs .
The task of the one who has experienced a great trauma is to overcome that trauma. The task of overcoming such a trauma is realized day by day, throughout the course of your life. We don't wake up one day finding that we have become entirely liberated from our pain -- we always have to choose to say "yes" to life in spite of it. But saying "yes" like this takes a great amount of strength, and every time we say "yes" we get a bit stronger. The stronger we get, the less it hurts, but the pain never truly goes away and our scars are a faint reminder of the pain of our old wounds. Importantly: what doesn't kill you doesn't make you happy or ignorant of the harshness of life, it just makes you strong.
@@chindianajones3742 Of course one could have an internal scar, from say a surgical-related traumatic injury, the wounded scar could develop sepsis. Then, it’s a game of craps.
Exactly right.
I agree with some and others. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger at some parts and weaker at other parts. Period. Some you gain, some you lose. Everything comes with a price. And yes, it also depends on who you are, your mental and physical capacities too.
I've spent the last four years undergoing treatment for a type of blood cancer that roughly 2 in a million people get diagnosed with. It's basically cancer and motor neuro in nature plus a slew of other things all wrapped into one disease. I wouldn't be the person I am now without having gone through this character x-ray. It's the best thing that ever happened to me. I'm that much stronger because of it. Im strangely proud of it. No one else I know can trade in this currency.
@@brockvenator2299 I hope you have supportive friends and family accompanying you.
This video arrived just in the moment when i'm losing sight of things and of the light. While i hear the message and wisdom (to which i am grateful for), i admit that i'm struggling to see the end of my current conflict and am grieving tremendously about it. 😢
You're not alone
seek solace in the lord jesus christ, seek him in your heart call for him, and you may find great comfort, the lord jesus christ is holy amen
Thank you so much for your hard work. My subscription to the channel makes more and more sense with every video I watch here.
Claiming that suffering makes you stronger is preposterous. All depends on a person and his psyche. A severe trauma may completely destroy one person but may not have the same devastating effect on another one. It`s not so universal as others are claiming it to be. It`s extremely dangerous to push people in this direction and encourage them to face or cope suffering bravely.
Sorry it didn't work for you.
You are right, not everyone was born with the same cards. Some people have fragilities, mental illness etc..
I was reflecting on this yesterday, and I must disagree with the saying 'What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.' A more accurate version might be, 'What doesn't kill you could leave you deeply wounded.'
Unfortunate events can lead to PTSD, intensifying the amygdala’s response and fundamentally altering how someone perceives and interprets the world. This often results in negative outcomes, such as a sense of disconnection or a void that drains compassion for life-creating a destructive feedback loop that can persist indefinitely.
I very much agree with this, it's like telling a depressed person to just be happy.
@@JimboJeff-qm7vt Exactly true from what we understand from neurobiology to date.
Fully agree with you
One of the best pieces of advice i ever heard was when i was working in a kitchen for the summer between highschool and college. I burned myself on a broth pot and all the ood heads said in unison "Ya burn ya learn!"
@@limitcanc3l Did you get gangrene?
I can relate to this after i broke my ankle pretty bad 6 months ago. Wouldn’t want to ever go through it again but I’m grateful of the positive changes it’s had in my life overall since.
"What doesn't kill you makes you very weak, and almost killed." - Norm MacDonald.
Finding joy, courage and most of all, faith, in our adversity or tragedy is the ultimate benefit. It is not in regained strength or imprived intellect or understanding. It is finding faith, joy, hope, and love in the worst of situations... that is strength.
What doesn't kill you scars you for life
I have been broken by trauma (mental) in life, and I do not believe it made me stronger. It made me more reflective, wiser, more philosophical. But 10 years after the break, I am still a mess. So I am wondering a few things. You mentioned a study of people having experienced trauma, and if they got stronger in any way. I would like to know, if you asked these people "With your current strenghts and weaknesses in mind, would you rather be with or without the traumatic event?" I would guess most would say "without". I know that in those ponderings there is a bias towards not rocking the boat, so maybe some would say with, but that depends upon what has happened in their life after the trauma, not the trauma itself. For instance if someone met their wife after the event, they could hesitate, because what if removing the trauma meant losing her.
I am wondering if the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is more of a survival mechanism in our minds than an actual truth. In a way like when a young couple sees parents scolding their children and they think "we can do better than that!" and therefore jump naively into parenthood. If humanity didn't have that, many people would hesitate becoming parents.
So maybe no growth took place, but only the illusion of one.
If it made you more reflective and wiser, it sharpened your mind; which is the most powerful weapon you have under your complete control. So you did gain strength; of course it is not my place to comment on your pain, but if I may give some food for thought? Recovery is not only about strength. Each time we are hurt, we must lick our wounds and wait for them to heal. Sometimes it takes a month, sometimes it takes half a lifetime.
It is hard to quantify. You might have gained something from the experience, but you also probably lost a lot due to that experience. I would definitely be better off without debilitating anxiety. By how much? I don't know. I personally think it's a cope, most successful, happiest people rarely come out, out of a traumatic past. Dwelling over it will not help you, so it's better not to think about it, but it is very weird how people try to glorify it in the comments, as if they would've had worse upbringing if they didn't come out of a drug den according to one commenter.
You probably would've grown just as much with time, rather than the experience itself.
@@IgnasV Good catch on the glorify part actually. Seems to stem as a rebound effect of the overly victimizing...culture? I don't know what to call it. Though it is also interesting to see others in comments belittling other subjective traumas and pain, daring to put ones pain above anyone else is a sign of lack of understanding but i digress.
I agree, I feel like stuff like this is kinda toxic positively. I lived for 40 years not knowing I'm dyslexic and autistic + lots of other childhood/adult neglect, abuse and chronic illness.
I've never been on a date, let alone most of the other life milestones. Stronger maybe, I'm still alive but I still struggle with life.
@@Ashdorath In a way yes, But what I tried to point out is, what if the trauma didn't happen, who's to say I wouldn't have become just as wise just by being alive longer. What if the trauma had been milder and thus the aftermath shorter. No one can say for certain what the outcome of life would have been with or without something, but "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" assumes (presumes?) to know just that, and I don't believe you can say that.
And just for fun, imagine that it was verifiably true, shouldn't that turn the justice system upside down?
"Oh you attacked and paralyzed this person, wow you really made them stronger, here is a cash bonus for your service!"
"What's this!!! You treated you loved one with care and compassion!!! How dare you, now they are going to grow up weak!"
Wouldn't that be a world!
I like the saying "It is easier to create healthy children, than to fix broken adults"
My father died in 2015. i was traumatize from that very day and now my elder brother died at the young age of 42 on 21 march 2024. none of it makes me strong or add anything to so called personal growth.its all bs. their is nothing good in suffering or pain.
Lmao what are you a 30 year old man crying online please no :L The point of growth is you have to be strong enough to do so :L
@r0br33r lmao what are a 30 year old man making fun of someone who just lost a loved one? Clearly not, because only a child would do something so immature. Grow up, dude.
The loss of a loved one is like losing a limb. It is a support system for the body, but perhaps it will make your other limb(s) stronger in some way. IMO it is not a net benefit, but rather a transfer of strength.
@@r0br33r being unempathetic is weak. Lol. Get over your strong man schtick. Someone who harbours resilience wouldn't say something as stupid. You'd know these territories and you'd find a part of you that resonates. Just because you overcame something doesn't make you a master of adversity. You're lucky you had the capacity for perspective, environment and yeah, also personal will. But because someone else didn't, you aren't entitled to make fun. You may not agree with an eternal denial. But you can at teh very least try to understand them
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In reality what doesn`t kill you immediately weakens you and instead kills you slowly, it do not make you stronger... (I really wish I learned that lesson before it was to late...).
Don't know why some people don't like the saying I understand your personal life expierence may oppose this but human beings at are core have the power to adapt and become more resilient in the face of adversity denying this I believe will only hurt you more in the future
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy Der are so many inflictions that indead do not kill, but make you weaker. Taek depression for example. How does having a major depression for 15 years make you stronger?
@Rithmy I see your point but as someone Who has depression the part of you that becomes stronger and adapts isn't always the physical or even the mental but the spiritual in my life there have been so many soul crushing times that have had lasting effects on my heart but because of those wounds I've learned and started to feel that pain isn't so bad that infection because of tha t pain I can resist that pain and tolerate even greater pain and pain is the catyalst to growth or so many would agree so while having depression for 15 years weakens you in ways it also strengthens you in many
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Tolerating Pain is not the solution. When listening to Vietnam war veterans talking about their experiences, i can tell you that it numbs everything. You can't numb the pain without also numbing the pleasure. And pleasure is also a great catalyst for growth.
But more importantly is the environment. We need safety for growth. Without safety there is no growth. You won't explore when unsafe. YOu wont try out new things while unsafe. You will stick to the old. Thats not a recipee for growth.
Its nice to see positive sides of hard times, but lets not overrationalize abuse. You can tell this spiritual growth yourself. But i would refrian talking about it like that to young people. ONLY YOU understand you spiritual world. I does not make sense to talk about this type of grwoth to others as it is only misunderstood. Do you know what young people think and why i hate this saying (what doesnt kiill you makes you stronger)? THey think that only harsh consequences will educate them. They think that they can do anything unless it kills them. They rationalize they abusive relationship with that!!! They stay with their violent partner that hits them everyday because they think it makes them stronger because it doesnt kill them!! DO you really want to be responsible for such a misunderstanding?
Adversity will change you.
That it makes you stronger depends on countless factors though. And a lot of them we cannot influence. We all fight a different battle imo. Life can be absolutely vile and merciless to many of us.
It is worth though fighting or striving for a life worth living for. For me that is my life and the lives of the people around me.
This feels like survivorship bias + cope. Those who are strong enough to endure trauma grow from it and live to report it as strengthening them. Those who are too weak die or at least break. Regardless, all of us have to cope with trauma
Dead men tell no tales.
Explain “survivorship bias + cope” please.
@@Archimedes1988 think of it in the context of war. If we want to know what fighting a war is like, we will ask war veterans. This is an Intrinsically biased opinion though, because we never hear the opinions of the men who die in war.
@@DuncanL7979 I see. But, allow me to point out, that isn’t the point of Nietzsche’s statement. The opposite of “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is “what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker,” not “You either live or you die when you go through something.”
The best partner I’ve ever had breaking up with me nearly took me out - made me think about my entire life and wishing I lived xyz thing differently in order because in my mind it might have brought forth a more secure attachment pattern, perhaps less unhelpful anxiety, a more robust social life… however, now almost a year later since the break up - I feel as though she helped me realize my weaknesses better and overall helped me grow psychologically to a more mature adult. So in the end, I choose the the best I can that this awful pain of grief and loss that I experience / still on and off feel - was the most potent catalyst for a more fulfilling life, optimistic perspective. I’ve also seen people that look like trauma took them out of the game for a long time and they didn’t engage back with life overall driving themselves deeper into the hole through shrinking for to long and numbing out to life with vices.
Thanks - one of your best.
Hypertension almost killed me and it certainly has made me weaker lmao. My mindset is not the same, I also lost weight, I can’t do the things I used to do AND I feel very vulnerable.
Mutual understanding cannot exist without futility, suffering, pain and hatred.
Soon there will be nothing left of me to be strong. Thank you, Adversity. And eff you, Dear God
Expect the best, and prepare for the worst.
Nah. That which does not kill me, just weakens me for the next round. I.e. cancer.
You mean "e.g." Cancer doesn't always kill you and you sound like you didn't even watch the video but are simply triggered by the fact that some people aren't broken and perpetually bitter over the fact that life has sickness and death in store for us.
If you read my post... it weakens you for the next round of cancer... so no it doesn't "always kill" but it *always* weakens you. Sounds like you were triggered by that idea.
Sometimes. Nothing is ALWAYS true. Depends on person, environment, experience, etc. we want things to be predictable, for there to be "rules", happy endings. Shit happens all the time. Just another saying to make someone feel better. I know plenty of instances where it ddnt make anyone stronger. It does, however, often make u more empathetic or compassionate when it happens to others, hence, the success of AA, for example.
I havent the worst sufferings, but somethings i gone through have made me stronger. Having fortitude is a great virtue i believe. I think that's what's lacking with people nowadays.
Thank you so much. This came at a time when I really needed to hear it.
Your greatest video, yet! I can’t wait to say that again soon :) thank you
Absolutely agree, but it is ALWAYS a journey that every person has to come to choose for themselves (not everyone will)
Life doesn't happen to you, it happens for you
After a year of tragedy, this is proven true. I'm very thankful!
I honestly don't know a single example in my life where traumatic events made a person's life better.
They just say they are happy to finally deal with stuff, so it's only better if it never happened to begin with
My friend had some kind of cancer in his brain about 10 years ago and after he managed to live through it he went full religious looney, it's all a necessary cope to deal with the fact that he almost died and is unable to work because his illness can come back at any time.
Most successful and happy people never feel any traumatic events in their life.
@@AMFPSgamer the problem, even when stuff isn't as traumatic as my previous example, is time lost and timeframe
Usually when something bad happens you have to deal with it absolutely alone and if it hits you at the wrong time it just wastes your time.
In my case it was poverty during my teens and early adulthood.
Yeah, I got out of it, all alone. Yeah I guess I'm stronger etc. But so what? I'm 30 now.
I'm 10 years behind now in development
I'm going to be 40 by the time I will establish myself enough to have actually a stable life, by that time everyone will be preoccupied with their stuff, kids, families and so on.
It's just never ending catch up
@@regularguy3879 thats exactly my point. What's the point of becoming "stronger" when you lost your youth and time? What exactly you gonna do with that strongness in your 40s 50s when others already get success and move on while you are still behind them by decades?
It's all the small things that wear you down and finally kill you.
Your voice got deeper than usual. I notice that. If you caught a cold or something similar I hope you’ll get better!! 💗
Last time I was this early, I learned the joys of child support
Excellent segment. Always hits home. Thanks guys.
Agreed every adverse experience I had, made me learn and Grow I came out stronger better wiser from it all ❤ it's how you look at things, how you use the experiences, that makes all the difference. No-one taught me to be like it, just something inside of me guided me right ❤
6:35 the human psyche has evolved the capacity to overcome trauma.
Thats not correct. You should read 'The body keeps the score' by Bessel Van Der Kolk.
Trauma is not something that heals automatically and naturally.
One thing is something painful, another different trauma. There's a treshold after which the body and mind gets scarred. And requires special help to recover, if at all.
James 1:2-4 "Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."
6:01 personally i dont agree.
Youre ignoring all the people who were on the same place as Frankl yet failed to sustain his attitude.
Frankl mentioned it himself.
I dont think is 100% a choice, nor that anyone, or even most, can adopt this mentality.
It may be worth strivingmfor it.
Sometimes the pain is too big, sometimes the tools are not there, sometimes the person lacks the physical state (e.g. biology).
In the end we have to be aware of the usual pitfals of self-help, of blaming and self-blaming (i know that's not implied on the video).
I've had a wonderful life with some serious adverse events that always had silver linings. Eventually I wrote about my life and and named the positive results triggered by adverse events, "evils silver lining". However, I found that the positive results appear to depend on how conscientious a person is. Unfortunately, most people disregard their conscience out of greed to their own demise. My book, "Heart Consciousness" is for people who are interested in opening and following the Holy Spirit who resides in our hearts.
Some say it makes you weaker
Lov u bruh. Awesome vids. Fan for years
Life-promoting channel, blessed by the gods of madness and wisdom.
I look at old athletes with broken bodies and brains and know this isn't true. What doesn't kill you can leave you in constant suffering until you die, happens a lot.
We are speaking about the mind here, not the body. And, unlike the body, the mind is only limited by your own imagination and willpower. That isn't to say, people can overcome every obstacle, many don't. It only says, that if you can prepare yourself properly, you will. Read Frankl, and see Solzhenitsyn's work as another example.
@@geoffhart Those athletes minds are wrecked too from brain damage. It's not all about willpower. But yeah, I get the actual point of the video and it's fine. I just like being a little shit and arguing :)
@@user-wk4ee4bf8g Similar for ‘Nam Vets, exposed to Agent 0, et al. Especially R/C0N and Special Fs. Now c*n cer. No remedy. Agonizing departure. Seeing brave men, who have never complained, experience such torment-yet still not complaining, due to specific training-matches nothing else I have lived through. I’m not broken; I’m completely shattered.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger; unless it scars, traumatises or cripples you
You obviously miss the point.. It is the scars, trauma, and/or crippledness, that CAN make you mentally stronger.. But it does NOT strengthen the weak of mind.. I would agree that it is inaccurately stated, as it really should be "what doesn't kill you, CAN make you stronger".. It doesn't apply to everyone...
@@anotherperspective8263 it's not even about if it can or can't. Too much suffering isn't good and certain kinds of suffering is never good. Who do you think stronger someone whose been starved and weighs 90lbs from hunger, has no energy or strength in their body or someone whose well fed and healthy?
scars alone don't prevent growth. many of us have scars that made us stronger.
@@Bloomer0609 "Too much suffering" is a matter of subjective perspective. Many of the greatest works came from extreme suffering.
@@Bloomer0609 Again it seems that you miss the point.. You are thinking in terms of physical strength.. Real "strength" has nothing to do with body weight.. The person that is well fed wouldn't last a day in the life of the starving person...
What doesn't kill you, delays the inevitable.
I hate that I think all of these thoughts, yet everyone makes me feel guilty about it and paints me as negative, because they're less educated on the topics
What do you say to a young child who's suffering trauma, or has suffered it, or to that adult. I was regularly beaten and abused from a very young age by my mentally unwell father. I grew up hating myself. I understand now why that was, and I'm in a better place,but it took 30 years. I could've done without it frankly, and as a child I hadn't the maturity to cope.
I would say as an adult you have the ability to become stronger through the struggle to deal with what happened. As the video said, there is nothing positive about trauma, but in the struggle to deal with what happened positive change can arise.
@@M64936at the tender age you don't need lessons or abuse to make you stronger. Its totally horrific that kids get abused by their parents who are supposed to protect and love them. Most such kids get permanently wound by it. No point in lecturing them about strongness.
No little part of the torment of existence lies in this, that Time is continually pressing upon us, never letting us take breath, but always coming after us, like a taskmaster with a whip. If at any moment Time stays his hand, it is only when we are delivered over to the misery of boredom.
Someday I'll come back to this video. 🍀🧿
It really can be make or break. I am struggling to deal with bad neighbors. There are worse problems but this is on going and making hard to not do something stupid.
Thank you for all that you DO. What a great video on the topic of adversity. Yes to life, no matter what. ❤
People who say this have never been in real hell. Read misery does not make you stronger; it may reveal who your really are, however it also has a cost.
I doubt you've been in any more hell than the rest of us (if not less than many of us). you simply haven't grown from it yet. Natural selection weeds out the weak among us, the rest of us grow stronger.
You're a drama queen so obviously you weren't hit that hard stop LARPing you chronic internet dweller
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall.
'What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger' - yeah, but not everyone makes it to that second group 😶
Thank you for so much wisdom.
Trauma and life helps you build resilance and makes u who u become, its how u respond to the challenges . It is hard at the time but in time u look back and say yes it never broke me nearly very nearly but it helped me grow to become a caring kind individual, but of I get crossed its not kind ppl remember 😅.
You are never were u r not supposed to be.
#KeepinitReal
#Happydays
#KeepLifted
I just lost my father.. thank you for this..
I absolutely do not believe any of this shift of feelings over facts. Feelings being few, facts being many. If this were the case, The World would a Utopia. I would have my people, go to a great place and I want all my things. Everyone but me, mine and us are having their dreams come true. People help them, they go where they want free and freely and brought all their friends and family along for the ride. It's a wonderful World.
you probably have one of the 5 top channels on the web 👍
What doesn't kill me I eat.
Always great inspirational content, also GREAT paintings, will stop the vid just to enjoy and enlarge and scrutinize those unknown masterworks.
I thought that too, amazing art :)
Let's find a way to justify suffering, because we can use it to become more powerful.
Most trauma is mental in modern west. Society has more than ever and people still victims. Try being homeless for 6 years, and this is just part of the adverse conditions in that time. This still isnt nearly as bad as people's hardships have been historically. Every new generation has woes that it is experiencing the first time like nobody in the past has had more traumatic experiences. It is real in their mind.Modern society supports this. Turn off everything people take for granted. Running water,elecricity ,tranportation, modern medical support, cell phones, food supply chain, internet etc and see who survives. Seek nothing outside of yourself. Miyamoto Musashi.We are all fat cats in west.
As a young teen, I began to identify as transgender. I was going through hell and was seduced even further into darkness, where I stayed for five, grueling years. When I stopped identifying as trans (which took about a year for me to fully accept), it was like an anchor was removed from my life. I've learned so much since then, my art has gotten better, I've grown closer to God, and just love life itself so much more than before. While I wouldn't wish ROGD/delusions on anyone, it taught me humility and grace, and will forever be core phase in my life.
I'm glad you found peace. I wish I you a life lived fully. As you are
Be positive or Be negative?
Quit or Keep Going?
Those are Your choices.
Complaining changes nothing.
The fact that what doesn't kill us makes us stronger is ingrained into human physiology. We are the species that make of itself what it wills. "The obstacle is the way" Marcus Aurelius ❤
@@9jawithaflow Traditionally what does one do with the obstacle in the way? Obliterates it.
It's not a fact that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
🎯💎🏆 Great insightful & fruitful video 🏆💎🎯
लोकः समस्ताः सुखिनो भवन्तु
( May all beings lead Prosperous life across world )
I've had what I thought was bad things happening... and on more than one occasion, it turned out to be a good thing.
Always the best content. Great Art. Great lesson.
Keep fighting brothers.
Adversity & Trauma either makes your stronger or wiser, but certainly lonelier
It's ironic because Nietzsche didn't die because of syphilis but his life because a living hell.