It’s already at Dealerships. I saw it yesterday. Very nice. It tics off all of the boxes. But that price tag ensures that the only time I’ll ever see one is yesterday - at the dealer. Maybe when it’s 10 yrs. old? Good luck Jeep!!
It is hard to make a $107k vehicle seem more reasonable. It looks fantastic, and I'm sure it has lots of bells and whistles, but it is hard for me to comprehend spending that much on a vehicle. Great video, as always, and keep them coming.
In ‘97 I paid $100k for a house in NW Denver. Sold it for $330k in ‘14. What will a Wagoneer be worth in 17 years. Oh well, you can sleep in your car but you can’t drive your house. Took the $330k and built a new house that Zillow says is now worth $700k.
And even if it were a Lexus, it's value is still doomed to fall even if at a slower trajectory. New car prices are dumb and we can thank the banks first and the gullible customers second.
Hey Roman, could you start telling us which country the electric motors in various EVs come from? It seems like it's really important to you to mention the country of origin of a gas engine, while I'd like to know who's building the motors "of the future."
China is the leader in EV motors, batteries and the vast majority of “green” technologies. Of course they are also the largest consumers of oil, coal and natural gas. China doesn’t believe off even follow the greenie religion. Their goals are simple, become the dominant manufacturer of high tech and low tech industries that are off strategic importance to the democracies of the world. This will ensure their power expands and in case of a war, ensure the U.S. and it’s Allie’s are unable to produce weapons at a replacement rate necessary to sustain a war.
@@jessicaczyzewski4198 because nations like China, Russia, Iran have murderer (at a minimum) 300,000,000 THREE HUNDRED MILLION of their own citizens since 1900. China is threatening the invasion of Taiwan, it has threaded war with multiple nations, even recently attacking India. Why would I not want China to dominate the world…. Well, if a world controlled by totalitarian dictators is a nightmare
@@jessicaczyzewski4198 It's called 'Jingoisim'. It's like how people from the USA say 'Americans' like only US citizens qualify, rather then Canadians, Mexicans (The other two North American countries), Brazilians,Peruvians, Chileans, Argentinians, etc etc from South America. The word 'American' means a person from anywhere in continents of North and South America, but once the jingoism is applied it becomes a term claimed by one nation to exclude thier neighbours.
Not really sure why so many people seem to think that folks would have to sleep in these on a regular basis just to afford them. Lol Fortunately, people who generally buy these types of vehicles are financially established enough in life that they don't really need to worry about that. I highly doubt that there are too many people out there who are wondering where their next meal will come from, but just have to have that new series III Grand Wagoneer so bad that they're like, "Damn it, Jeep. Why is this thing so expensive?!! That's it, I'm selling the house!!" 😂 And, they certainly aren't forcing anyone to buy these and do make cheaper vehicles. Just thought I'd throw that there for those who seem a little... confused. 🤷🏼♂️
Glad I got my Ram 1500 Hemi when I did. Just naturally aspirated V8 goodness that’s easy enough to work on and modify. I hope the hurricane works out but I have my doubts. Not crazy about premium fuel though.
@@dylanbuk7055 as far as modern engine’s go yeah. In the Ram there’s enough room to get at everything. I relocated the oil filter, upgraded the air intake tube, deleted the clutch fan and went to an electric setup for more room in the bay. Rear spark plugs a bit tricky but not impossible. Accessories and belt isn’t aren’t hard to replace. Hoses and wiring are neatly routed and not hard to get at. They’re straightforward to tear down but it’s a process like any other modern engine. Still a push rod with port injection, and you can tune them or cycle the gears to deactivate mds. If you have to do the cam and lifters the heads have to come off but again pretty straightforward process. Very simple setup compared to a modern twin turbo charged direct injection engine.
to add every one of these smaller displacement turbo engines seem to work harder and offer worse fuel economy when used in any matter other than straight highway that ive drove. i feel its more of an emissions thing for car makers.
Great review. But I think it's important to clarify the numbers when talking about towing so that people don't assume when they buy a $100K vehicle built on a truck frame that it will automatically be able to tow heavy loads. There's some really crazy stuff going on with these 2023 4x4 Wagoneer vehicles with the new 3.0L motor. The high tow ratings approaching 10,000lb are ONLY available if the vehicle is equipped with the "Heavy Duty Trailer Tow Package" (called "Max Tow" in the Owner's Manual for some reason). If you forget to add that little $995 package, your tow ratings are reduced by over 40%!!! For example, 5,750lb in the Wagoneer L 4x4 and 5,400lb in the Grand Wagoneer L 4x4. That's a HUGE difference that is important for people to understand. I would love to hear from Jeep explaining why there is such a huge difference. But don't believe everything you read on RUclips. Go check out the Jeep Owner's manual for yourself!
Agreed I had to make sure we clarified at the dealership we wanted the max tow and we added the package..we are towing that same flying cloud in the future
Hi, and thank you for this video. If you have time would you mind making a video going over what towing setting and heights is best to tow in? I understand there’s a feature called flat tow. I’m not clear on what that function is best used for.
As much as I love the Grand wagoneer wagoneers in general their price point is what would keep me from ever buying one which is a shame because it is a awesome vehicle towing capabilities it's off road capabilities but price point I'm sorry it's just way too much money for something even if it's a luxury bottle version it's just too much money but then again that might just be me
We had looked at other SUVs that were capable of towing 9,000 plus and This was the absolute best option. The sequoia was the next choice but not great features
That's exactly what I paid for my 2 bedroom California home in 1986. Now its worth 800k. Had I bought this Jeep instead it would literally be worth nothing.
Ive looked at this setup. I have the 2022 Airstream FC30bunk. But I’m driving a 2020 Ram 3500 Big Horn Dually Aisin. I can tell you I payed half the amount for my truck that I did my trailer after taxes on both. That being said. Two years later I could get a base wagoneer for the price I paid for my truck. In two years the average car price went up $11000 and since 2018 it’s up $18000! We have got to let this market crash, lower these inflation rates, and get the car companies and other manufacturers back into check. Sad to say. Unfortunately most people are financing 7-8 years myself included in order to afford the vehicle they want. Fortunately I got 2 2020 Mopars at 0%/84 and 2%/72mo when I purchased. Now they are 6%/72 or worse. Interest rates are what keeps you in debt. Not so much term length. But when your average decent career family buys a new family suv and it’s minimum $67k for basic plus tax. Your at $75k otd! I bought a srt Jeep in 2018 loaded to the gills for $73k otd. That’s a nearly 500hp luxury suv toy that few can afford to just play with. Yet now it’s the standard cost for a mom to take her kids to practice in a big safe suv. Small foreign SUVs have became to only affordable way. STOP PAYING THESE PRICES PEOPLE!! Ford only made a LIMITED truck because PLATINUM trucks were flying off the lots!!! At $90k! May as well build one for $100k!!! And consumers bought it.
I test drove a regular length series 3 with the hemi, so it's shorter, has more bells and whistles, and had the less powerful but in my opinion cooler and more desirable engine option, and it was stickered at $117k plus a $7,000 buyers premium. So $124,000 all in And it still didn't have every option. A wonderful and substantial vehicle but that does seem just ludicrous doesn't it?
WTF is that Nissan ad - if TFL has started putting their own ads into the content I for one will stop watching any of their content. I don’t pay for YT premium to watch paid advertising.
yes this is a 25' front bedroom mine is about 5600 lbs bout 6200 full tanks and bikes etc the hitch wt is 850 pounds that is part of the cars payload and the wife 4 kids 2 dogs so the max tow will be less lower trim levels tow more when you add 4 ent screens sunroofs etc add to the wt of the car lower the max gross vec weight
@@AustinsADV That's what I was thinking. It would be a good test on the gauntlet to have them run with the airstream as a control trailer, and then do the same with the toybox-of-the-week.
I have to believe most people will spend much less money on a fully loaded truck to do the same task as well if not even better. Not knocking the Wagoneer’s ability, but at that price tag I wouldn’t suspect to be seeing too many folks towing their camper with it. Using the word “reasonable” is crazy.
1,360 lbs (subtract 600lbs or so for tongue weight) and remaining is about 760lbs, which doesn’t include driver or occupant weight. So there is no way to get your family in that thing and tow 10,000lbs. Just marketing fluff.
I have a Grand Cherokee L with the Pentastar. When we bought it the 6,200 lbs towing capacity was great for our needs, sadly didn't take payload (1,100 lbs) into consideration. Now we have a vehicle that can tow OR can fit the whole family, but won't do both. That is a very important aspect that is overlooked way too often.
Not guessing. I have an airstream. The tongue weight of that 25 foot trailer is 875 pounds empty. Head cargo propane etc. in my trailer comes in at 1080 pounds on the cat scales
I saw one of these at our local restaurant parking lot. Not the inline 6, I’m sure it was one of the hemis. Had 2 large dogs inside it, car was running, and the dogs are just jumping all over the place barking at pedestrians walking near it. I told the wife that’s a 100k suv with 2 dogs inside tearing up the interior, some people got money to 🔥 apparently!!!
What! No weight distribution/anti sway hitch? Fortunately Airstreams are one of the most stable travel trailers to tow. The Grand Wagoner is crying for the 6.4 Hemi V8. I just don't like turbo charged engines. If you don't want it to be naturally aspirated, then supercharge it. I have a 2020 Airstream International Serenity 30 RB, maxes out at 8800 pounds. I tow it with my 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with the 6.4 Hemi, 4.10 rear end and air suspension. Absolutely love my setup. Oh, yea, I use a Blue Ox weight distribution/anti-sway hitch with 1000 pound bars.
@Tomaz Reppa Hilton class leading? Is a 20 year old 8.1L 2500 SUV in its class? Who cares about 10k towing? I'm talking 12k+ towing. Check the Google again bc your fact check is fake news. Cargo and towing > for the 8.1L Yukon XL
@@poobank get your facts straight, the XL is offered in both 1500 & 2500. “The Yukon XL 1500 is available in a new trim called the Denali Ultimate. The AT4 trim has been discontinued for 2023. Yukon XL 1500 trims have been upgraded with Panoramic Sunroof and Automated Parking as standard equipment this year. The Denali trim now comes with Smart Key as standard equipment.” “The Yukon XL is offered in half-ton or three-quarter ton capacities, and luxurious Denali models are available. The Yukon XL is a great choice for towing cars, boats, horses, and travel trailers. A Yukon XL 1500 is rated to tow up to 8200 pounds, while the heavy-duty 2500 version can tow up to 9700 pounds.” The Wagoneer defending on spec can tow more than the 1500 & 2500 XL. @ 10k lbs “Best-in-Class Maximum Towing Capacity up to 10,000 Pounds Tow your recreation essentials to your destination with an available Best-in-Class Maximum Towing Capacity 1 of up to 10,000 pounds.”
That interior is going to wear like shit- way too much piano black. Frankly any vehicle over 50-60k shouldn't be using cheap and poor-wear materials like that... let alone a vehicle that's over 100k.
The only people that seem to be excited for the hurricane are the Wrangler people. We’ve been looking for something better than the 3.6 pentastar for years and the 392’s days are very limited. I just hope at least the standard output is an option in addition to the 2.0T version that’s already available
The real story is how Roman turns on the air conditioner without 120V or a generator? Can you please tell us more about the Airstream’s AC, if this is the case?
there are a bunch of 12 volt ac's on the market now. can run off battery for a while depending on your battery capacity.... There are some 120 volt units that run off inverters and batteries but the 12volt system seems to be the ticket.
Clearly lost touch with reality thinking it’s a good idea to put their own Nissan advertisement into the content stream. Seriously if this is the direction TFL is going I will be looking elsewhere for my vehicle related content.
Welcome to America where not only do most young people dream of owning a home and yay now they get to dream about owning a new vehicle. I will never in my lifetime be able to pay that for a vehicle of that price mark.
Me wishing I could just get a damn civic Si and this Bertha is out here up to 4x as much. No wonder people have old ass cars nobody has enough to cough 100k for these behemoths. Like damn
@@TomazHilton Where, in my original comment, did I limit to 'current production'??? I did not. But, there are two V16's in current production, and no, I'm not going to hand feed you the links.
Clearly lost touch with reality thinking it’s a good idea to put their own Nissan advertisement into the content stream. Seriously if this is the direction TFL is going I will be looking elsewhere for my vehicle related content.
that hurricane 3.0L engine is rated at 14 city / 20 highway MPG. My F150 can tow my wife's Subaru Outback and get better MPG. AND combined they cost less than the Grand Wagoner!! edit: yes this is satire. Of course my truck doesn't get 20 MPG on the highway towing.......
Sorry, Roman!;$110k for a family vehicle is beyond the pale. Firstly, it loses value the moment that you drive it off the dealership lot. Nobody will ever get $110k worth of value from it. *PERIOD!* Stellantis is gouging Jeep customers, based entirely on Jeep's brand name and reputation. It's unconscionable! Yeah, yeah! They put the Hurricane I-6 in it. So, what? We still don't know whether the new engine is solid. That vehicle shouldn't cost more than $65k USD!
3.0 with all that power and torque means it highly boosted and internally stressed, will be interesting how reliable these engines are, a 3.6 or larger incline 6 would have been a marketing edge that jeep missed.
Hasn’t traditionally in-line sixes been preferred for reliability in this kind of capacity? Trucks were inline sixes for decades for towing. In-line sixes from Toyota and Nissan were renowned for their ability to take high horsepower and boost; part of that is too the inherent benefits of an in-line six design. These turbo charged engines are designed for low rpm torque which puts a lot less stress on the engine compared to a smaller v8 or v6 that has to get high into the rpm’s to get any rig going.
@@IGmeanwell yes but I wouldn't trust one from Stellantis of all manufacturers. A boosted i-6 is a lot more complicated than a V8, of which Dodge already has a bad history of cam and lifter issues with. This is now BMW territory of complexity and engineering, and I'd trust BMW 10 times over with their i6 turbos as they have exponentially more experience than Dodge.
Straight-six engines from yesteryear were tractor engines, they were bulletproof. Today's I6 has zero space between cylinders & sprayed-on liners. All to save weight, but likely at the cost of longevity. They can put out some Impressive numbers tho!
Roman was visiting a Ford event I think, recall he said he was in Wyoming? I am sure TFL will get their hands on one asap. Can't wait to see them torture the 3.0L on the Ike.
Shoutouts to all the rich people taking the financial beating on this in 2022 so i can buy it in 2032 for 15k and not feel bad about driving it to the beach every weekend.
In what world does $107,000 seem a good price for a family vehicle when most familys don't make near 50k per year combined less if they do the adults are 9 times out of 10 working 90-95% of the time just to pay bills and then come home barely eat and pass out only to do it again the next day a 100k+ SUV is completely unreasonable
Buying a Wagoneer or a grand Wagoneer is like buying an apple product you are paying for the name. the price point will make them rare in the roads you will not see too many
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At no point does $107,000 begin to feel reasonable. Nice rig but prices are out of control.
you can get a very cheap home and restore it
@@PaulTC97 lol no unless it's in the middle of the ghetto
Agree!! Jeep has shot themselves in the foot with the pricing. Can’t get past that #!!
@@flsupraguy um you can buy a good house for that where I live
It’s already at Dealerships. I saw it yesterday. Very nice. It tics off all of the boxes. But that price tag ensures that the only time I’ll ever see one is yesterday - at the dealer. Maybe when it’s 10 yrs. old? Good luck Jeep!!
Curious on the payload? An Airstream will bring a lot of tongue weight, and a SUV seating 8...
It is hard to make a $107k vehicle seem more reasonable. It looks fantastic, and I'm sure it has lots of bells and whistles, but it is hard for me to comprehend spending that much on a vehicle. Great video, as always, and keep them coming.
any 100k+ SUV either dont offer as much Cargo/Passenger Space or cant tow morethan 7000lbs ( looking at you Germans)
@@TomazHilton Escalade
@@daviidfm923 Oop!
In ‘97 I paid $100k for a house in NW Denver. Sold it for $330k in ‘14. What will a Wagoneer be worth in 17 years. Oh well, you can sleep in your car but you can’t drive your house. Took the $330k and built a new house that Zillow says is now worth $700k.
And even if it were a Lexus, it's value is still doomed to fall even if at a slower trajectory. New car prices are dumb and we can thank the banks first and the gullible customers second.
“Zillow says,” lol that doesn’t mean much. Just look at your county website for an accurate view of your home’s value
You can drive your house if your house is a camper… that’s what y folks will be doing.
Yup, all automobiles go to Zero.
@@TPAK-tb6grAll? My 72 Challenger Rallye continues to appreciate.
I would love to see a long term review of these vehicles. Mine has been plagued with electrical issues.
Most new vehicles have electrical issues, not just Jeep
Hey Roman, could you start telling us which country the electric motors in various EVs come from? It seems like it's really important to you to mention the country of origin of a gas engine, while I'd like to know who's building the motors "of the future."
China is the leader in EV motors, batteries and the vast majority of “green” technologies. Of course they are also the largest consumers of oil, coal and natural gas. China doesn’t believe off even follow the greenie religion. Their goals are simple, become the dominant manufacturer of high tech and low tech industries that are off strategic importance to the democracies of the world. This will ensure their power expands and in case of a war, ensure the U.S. and it’s Allie’s are unable to produce weapons at a replacement rate necessary to sustain a war.
Why do you have such a problem with that?
@@jessicaczyzewski4198 because nations like China, Russia, Iran have murderer (at a minimum) 300,000,000 THREE HUNDRED MILLION of their own citizens since 1900. China is threatening the invasion of Taiwan, it has threaded war with multiple nations, even recently attacking India. Why would I not want China to dominate the world…. Well, if a world controlled by totalitarian dictators is a nightmare
@@jessicaczyzewski4198 Your reading comprehension skills need work.
@@jessicaczyzewski4198 It's called 'Jingoisim'.
It's like how people from the USA say 'Americans' like only US citizens qualify, rather then Canadians, Mexicans (The other two North American countries), Brazilians,Peruvians, Chileans, Argentinians, etc etc from South America. The word 'American' means a person from anywhere in continents of North and South America, but once the jingoism is applied it becomes a term claimed by one nation to exclude thier neighbours.
Looking forward to the Ike! Head to head with the Yukon Denali Ultimate XL perhaps?
Not really sure why so many people seem to think that folks would have to sleep in these on a regular basis just to afford them. Lol
Fortunately, people who generally buy these types of vehicles are financially established enough in life that they don't really need to worry about that. I highly doubt that there are too many people out there who are wondering where their next meal will come from, but just have to have that new series III Grand Wagoneer so bad that they're like, "Damn it, Jeep. Why is this thing so expensive?!! That's it, I'm selling the house!!" 😂 And, they certainly aren't forcing anyone to buy these and do make cheaper vehicles. Just thought I'd throw that there for those who seem a little... confused. 🤷🏼♂️
The Internet is full of whiners. If this thing is $50k, people will still complain.
The part I don’t understand is him saying that it’s “reasonable”
Glad I got my Ram 1500 Hemi when I did. Just naturally aspirated V8 goodness that’s easy enough to work on and modify. I hope the hurricane works out but I have my doubts. Not crazy about premium fuel though.
Genuine question. Are the modern hemi v8’s actually easy to work on?
@@dylanbuk7055 as far as modern engine’s go yeah. In the Ram there’s enough room to get at everything. I relocated the oil filter, upgraded the air intake tube, deleted the clutch fan and went to an electric setup for more room in the bay. Rear spark plugs a bit tricky but not impossible. Accessories and belt isn’t aren’t hard to replace. Hoses and wiring are neatly routed and not hard to get at. They’re straightforward to tear down but it’s a process like any other modern engine. Still a push rod with port injection, and you can tune them or cycle the gears to deactivate mds. If you have to do the cam and lifters the heads have to come off but again pretty straightforward process. Very simple setup compared to a modern twin turbo charged direct injection engine.
@@dylanbuk7055 mine is super easy.
to add every one of these smaller displacement turbo engines seem to work harder and offer worse fuel economy when used in any matter other than straight highway that ive drove. i feel its more of an emissions thing for car makers.
the S.O I6 Doesnt Require Premium and it has ALOT morepower than the 5.7
Great review. But I think it's important to clarify the numbers when talking about towing so that people don't assume when they buy a $100K vehicle built on a truck frame that it will automatically be able to tow heavy loads. There's some really crazy stuff going on with these 2023 4x4 Wagoneer vehicles with the new 3.0L motor. The high tow ratings approaching 10,000lb are ONLY available if the vehicle is equipped with the "Heavy Duty Trailer Tow Package" (called "Max Tow" in the Owner's Manual for some reason). If you forget to add that little $995 package, your tow ratings are reduced by over 40%!!! For example, 5,750lb in the Wagoneer L 4x4 and 5,400lb in the Grand Wagoneer L 4x4. That's a HUGE difference that is important for people to understand. I would love to hear from Jeep explaining why there is such a huge difference. But don't believe everything you read on RUclips. Go check out the Jeep Owner's manual for yourself!
Agreed I had to make sure we clarified at the dealership we wanted the max tow and we added the package..we are towing that same flying cloud in the future
If you're towing greater than 50% of the rated vehicle towing shouldn't you use a weight-distribution hitch?
Hi, and thank you for this video. If you have time would you mind making a video going over what towing setting and heights is best to tow in? I understand there’s a feature called flat tow. I’m not clear on what that function is best used for.
I could definitely afford that... if I lived in it. 😆
Are tow mirrors an option?
i would think ram ones poss could swap to it.
What the payload capacity?
Have you guys done an Ike gauntlet test with the twin turbo motor?
Probably the only thing in common it has with a Jeep is its reliability. 🤠
So you dont need any sway bar controllers/ bars to tow over a certain weight
Roman..At no point is $107k reasonable for a vehicle..
Paying $107,000 for a well equipped Jeep is like paying $90,000 (10 years ago) for a VW...and that didn't work out well for VW.
As much as I love the Grand wagoneer wagoneers in general their price point is what would keep me from ever buying one which is a shame because it is a awesome vehicle towing capabilities it's off road capabilities but price point I'm sorry it's just way too much money for something even if it's a luxury bottle version it's just too much money but then again that might just be me
Get a grand Cherokee L.
@@trenton.tchannel1810 no
We had looked at other SUVs that were capable of towing 9,000 plus and This was the absolute best option. The sequoia was the next choice but not great features
That's exactly what I paid for my 2 bedroom California home in 1986. Now its worth 800k. Had I bought this Jeep instead it would literally be worth nothing.
Ive looked at this setup. I have the 2022 Airstream FC30bunk. But I’m driving a 2020 Ram 3500 Big Horn Dually Aisin. I can tell you I payed half the amount for my truck that I did my trailer after taxes on both. That being said. Two years later I could get a base wagoneer for the price I paid for my truck. In two years the average car price went up $11000 and since 2018 it’s up $18000! We have got to let this market crash, lower these inflation rates, and get the car companies and other manufacturers back into check. Sad to say. Unfortunately most people are financing 7-8 years myself included in order to afford the vehicle they want. Fortunately I got 2 2020 Mopars at 0%/84 and 2%/72mo when I purchased. Now they are 6%/72 or worse. Interest rates are what keeps you in debt. Not so much term length. But when your average decent career family buys a new family suv and it’s minimum $67k for basic plus tax. Your at $75k otd! I bought a srt Jeep in 2018 loaded to the gills for $73k otd. That’s a nearly 500hp luxury suv toy that few can afford to just play with. Yet now it’s the standard cost for a mom to take her kids to practice in a big safe suv. Small foreign SUVs have became to only affordable way. STOP PAYING THESE PRICES PEOPLE!! Ford only made a LIMITED truck because PLATINUM trucks were flying off the lots!!! At $90k! May as well build one for $100k!!! And consumers bought it.
When are yall going to do a ike gauntlet trip with it?
I assume that includes the trailer?
I test drove a regular length series 3 with the hemi, so it's shorter, has more bells and whistles, and had the less powerful but in my opinion cooler and more desirable engine option, and it was stickered at $117k plus a $7,000 buyers premium. So $124,000 all in And it still didn't have every option.
A wonderful and substantial vehicle but that does seem just ludicrous doesn't it?
WTF is that Nissan ad - if TFL has started putting their own ads into the content I for one will stop watching any of their content. I don’t pay for YT premium to watch paid advertising.
Stupid question - is the airstream so called because it is slippery? Does this really help with the freeway towing?
yes this is a 25' front bedroom mine is about 5600 lbs bout 6200 full tanks and bikes etc the hitch wt is 850 pounds that is part of the cars payload and the wife 4 kids 2 dogs so the max tow will be less lower trim levels tow more when you add 4 ent screens sunroofs etc add to the wt of the car lower the max gross vec weight
@@AustinsADV That's what I was thinking. It would be a good test on the gauntlet to have them run with the airstream as a control trailer, and then do the same with the toybox-of-the-week.
Whats the payload of this?
Very nice SUV and great video as always but…I don’t see 107k in this video. It amazes me that vehicles sell at this price.
Why was there a Nissan ad imbedded in the video?
I have to believe most people will spend much less money on a fully loaded truck to do the same task as well if not even better. Not knocking the Wagoneer’s ability, but at that price tag I wouldn’t suspect to be seeing too many folks towing their camper with it. Using the word “reasonable” is crazy.
It’s a Luxury SUV first, towing is just the added bonus. You can spend 69k on a Wagoneer to do the same capabilities but you’re sacrificing luxury.
@TFLnow what was the Grand Wagoneer's payload in this configuration?
1,360 lbs (subtract 600lbs or so for tongue weight) and remaining is about 760lbs, which doesn’t include driver or occupant weight. So there is no way to get your family in that thing and tow 10,000lbs. Just marketing fluff.
I have a Grand Cherokee L with the Pentastar. When we bought it the 6,200 lbs towing capacity was great for our needs, sadly didn't take payload (1,100 lbs) into consideration. Now we have a vehicle that can tow OR can fit the whole family, but won't do both. That is a very important aspect that is overlooked way too often.
The airstream tongue weight is just over1000 pounds
@@MrMsowers22 was taking a guess as most suggest 10% of trailer weight as an estimate for tongue weight.
Not guessing. I have an airstream. The tongue weight of that 25 foot trailer is 875 pounds empty. Head cargo propane etc. in my trailer comes in at 1080 pounds on the cat scales
So who owns the airstream?
Saw one of these on the road, man I love the looks of this car
I saw one of these at our local restaurant parking lot. Not the inline 6, I’m sure it was one of the hemis. Had 2 large dogs inside it, car was running, and the dogs are just jumping all over the place barking at pedestrians walking near it. I told the wife that’s a 100k suv with 2 dogs inside tearing up the interior, some people got money to 🔥 apparently!!!
Yes, some people have more dispensable income than others- that's how capitalism works.
@@sly9263
Some people are more valuable than others. Life sucks but suck it up.
@@josephquinto5812 struck a nerve?
@@sly9263
Not a valuable member of society?
What, no Ike Tunnel run?
What! No weight distribution/anti sway hitch? Fortunately Airstreams are one of the most stable travel trailers to tow. The Grand Wagoner is crying for the 6.4 Hemi V8. I just don't like turbo charged engines. If you don't want it to be naturally aspirated, then supercharge it. I have a 2020 Airstream International Serenity 30 RB, maxes out at 8800 pounds. I tow it with my 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with the 6.4 Hemi, 4.10 rear end and air suspension. Absolutely love my setup. Oh, yea, I use a Blue Ox weight distribution/anti-sway hitch with 1000 pound bars.
Isn't the 64 an option
@@jessicaczyzewski4198 yeah I think so
2:17 Hold up...no WDH!?
Can fit more and tow more with Yukon XL 8.1L. Just will spend 107k in fuel over a few years lol
no you cant. GW is CLass leading with 10k+towing
@Tomaz Reppa Hilton class leading? Is a 20 year old 8.1L 2500 SUV in its class? Who cares about 10k towing? I'm talking 12k+ towing. Check the Google again bc your fact check is fake news. Cargo and towing > for the 8.1L Yukon XL
@@poobank why are we mentioning 2500’s when this is based on 1500 chassis? Which is best in class.
@Tomaz Reppa Hilton bc the Yukon XL 8.1L is a 2500 chassis and I'm pointing that out in my comment to make sure you catch it
@@poobank get your facts straight, the XL is offered in both 1500 & 2500. “The Yukon XL 1500 is available in a new trim called the Denali Ultimate. The AT4 trim has been discontinued for 2023. Yukon XL 1500 trims have been upgraded with Panoramic Sunroof and Automated Parking as standard equipment this year. The Denali trim now comes with Smart Key as standard equipment.” “The Yukon XL is offered in half-ton or three-quarter ton capacities, and luxurious Denali models are available. The Yukon XL is a great choice for towing cars, boats, horses, and travel trailers. A Yukon XL 1500 is rated to tow up to 8200 pounds, while the heavy-duty 2500 version can tow up to 9700 pounds.” The Wagoneer defending on spec can tow more than the 1500 & 2500 XL. @ 10k lbs “Best-in-Class Maximum Towing Capacity up to 10,000 Pounds
Tow your recreation essentials to your destination with an available Best-in-Class Maximum Towing Capacity 1 of up to 10,000 pounds.”
Great showing!! But pull up your pants bud!!We don't need to see the crack of dawn any time soon!! LOL!!
107,000 is reasonable? In what world
other cars by 100k dont have so much practicality
TFL needs an airstream for the Morton barn. Perfect match.
I have a 2014 chevrolet silverado. with these prices of vehicles today that's probably going to be the last newest car I'll ever have.
Anyone else feel like the interior is a lot nicer then the exterior ? Exterior is very bland to me while the interior is superb.
That interior is going to wear like shit- way too much piano black. Frankly any vehicle over 50-60k shouldn't be using cheap and poor-wear materials like that... let alone a vehicle that's over 100k.
Over 100000? Yikes. I'm glad it has so much room so people that buy these can live in them as well since its getting small house price range.
Where the heck can you buy a small house for 100k? Where I live you need $1M to live in a shoe box. I'm not joking.
The only people that seem to be excited for the hurricane are the Wrangler people. We’ve been looking for something better than the 3.6 pentastar for years and the 392’s days are very limited. I just hope at least the standard output is an option in addition to the 2.0T version that’s already available
That's almost a quarter million dollars rolling down the road. Exhibit A of a debased currency and government. Beautiful rig and trailer, though...
Why can’t the 7.3 Godzilla produce more than 500 horsepower like the hurricane engine
Cam timing. Proper valve springs and cam have put them over 600 HP NA.
Love u got an airstream! Want one so bad!
Jeep not a luxury brand? Grand Cherokee has had one of the best interiors and ride comfort off and on road for over 10 years
Why am I getting commercials with RUclips Premium… is the Nissan commercial on the Video?
Airstream should put air bags on. It would be great to raise if needed.
That gloss black center console is gonna show scratches and dust like crazy
nice air stream
My 2023 ram 1500 tows my 7500lb Jaco 26bch with panache.
The real story is how Roman turns on the air conditioner without 120V or a generator? Can you please tell us more about the Airstream’s AC, if this is the case?
there are a bunch of 12 volt ac's on the market now. can run off battery for a while depending on your battery capacity.... There are some 120 volt units that run off inverters and batteries but the 12volt system seems to be the ticket.
107 G you say is reasonable? You must make too much cash !!! That's a complete rip off Have a great day!
Clearly lost touch with reality thinking it’s a good idea to put their own Nissan advertisement into the content stream. Seriously if this is the direction TFL is going I will be looking elsewhere for my vehicle related content.
Welcome to America where not only do most young people dream of owning a home and yay now they get to dream about owning a new vehicle. I will never in my lifetime be able to pay that for a vehicle of that price mark.
Ok. What the hell was the Nissan commercial? I pay for RUclips premium to not have that.
Me wishing I could just get a damn civic Si and this Bertha is out here up to 4x as much. No wonder people have old ass cars nobody has enough to cough 100k for these behemoths. Like damn
Wow, you literally intergrated a Nissan commercial in the video. Didn't jeep provide the vehicle for you to review? And you throw in a Nissan ad?
Let me get my head around this. For $107k you get an engine built by a guy who six months ago was wearing a serape and leading a burro.
A six is the 'smoothest engine' ?? Sounds like someone hasn't experienced a V12 or a Straight Eight. ;)
A Strait six is always the most smoothest of engines.
@@TomazHilton I say this as someone that owns straight sixes. ... a straight eight and a V12 is smoother, and a 1930's V16 is smoothest.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes talking about still in production lol
@@TomazHilton Where, in my original comment, did I limit to 'current production'???
I did not.
But, there are two V16's in current production, and no, I'm not going to hand feed you the links.
How the hell did they manage to embed a mid roll nissan ad directly into their video around the 50 second mark.
Sad to see it. Atleast I could skip over it, I guess
Damn a 2023 Expedition Limited Max w/ tow package is just over 70k. I know which way I'd go.
This thing is good used to save money. I'll wait 5 years when it's like 40k
I'll take the 6.4 v8. Tried and true engine. Stronger build than the 5.7. Turbo 6 is fine without towing, turbo sucks gas under heavy load.
Roman, I'm sorry sir but to say $107K is reasonable...you're so out of touch I'm not sure anything I say will make sense to you...respectfully
Clearly lost touch with reality thinking it’s a good idea to put their own Nissan advertisement into the content stream. Seriously if this is the direction TFL is going I will be looking elsewhere for my vehicle related content.
that hurricane 3.0L engine is rated at 14 city / 20 highway MPG. My F150 can tow my wife's Subaru Outback and get better MPG. AND combined they cost less than the Grand Wagoner!!
edit: yes this is satire. Of course my truck doesn't get 20 MPG on the highway towing.......
Wish it looked like the old Wagoneer.
Sure seems like a Jeep supported infomercial...
100k + wow 😮
Sorry, Roman!;$110k for a family vehicle is beyond the pale. Firstly, it loses value the moment that you drive it off the dealership lot. Nobody will ever get $110k worth of value from it. *PERIOD!*
Stellantis is gouging Jeep customers, based entirely on Jeep's brand name and reputation. It's unconscionable!
Yeah, yeah! They put the Hurricane I-6 in it. So, what? We still don't know whether the new engine is solid.
That vehicle shouldn't cost more than $65k USD!
3.0 with all that power and torque means it highly boosted and internally stressed, will be interesting how reliable these engines are, a 3.6 or larger incline 6 would have been a marketing edge that jeep missed.
Hasn’t traditionally in-line sixes been preferred for reliability in this kind of capacity? Trucks were inline sixes for decades for towing. In-line sixes from Toyota and Nissan were renowned for their ability to take high horsepower and boost; part of that is too the inherent benefits of an in-line six design. These turbo charged engines are designed for low rpm torque which puts a lot less stress on the engine compared to a smaller v8 or v6 that has to get high into the rpm’s to get any rig going.
@@IGmeanwell yes but I wouldn't trust one from Stellantis of all manufacturers. A boosted i-6 is a lot more complicated than a V8, of which Dodge already has a bad history of cam and lifter issues with. This is now BMW territory of complexity and engineering, and I'd trust BMW 10 times over with their i6 turbos as they have exponentially more experience than Dodge.
Straight-six engines from yesteryear were tractor engines, they were bulletproof. Today's I6 has zero space between cylinders & sprayed-on liners. All to save weight, but likely at the cost of longevity. They can put out some Impressive numbers tho!
No actual road test?
Roman was visiting a Ford event I think, recall he said he was in Wyoming? I am sure TFL will get their hands on one asap. Can't wait to see them torture the 3.0L on the Ike.
That price means I could buy 2 new Tundras in 2020 in Ontario, CA.
Jeep,You lost me at 100k.
Nice video
Maybe in a few years I’d buy a used one for~$20K....$107K for a glorified STationwagon is CRA-CRA!
More time with family, not sure that’s a good thing.
Holy 💩107k for a jeep🤯 that's double what I paid for my chevy 1500 truck. Man jeep lost their minds
Roman, that Nissan money is hurting your credibility, and ruining the viewing experience for many if not all of your viewers. Take it down!
Fully agree with you, if that is the way TFL is going that’s me watching my vehicle content elsewhere.
$107,000 = reasonable??
You have to remember Roman has expensive taste 😆
Shoutouts to all the rich people taking the financial beating on this in 2022 so i can buy it in 2032 for 15k and not feel bad about driving it to the beach every weekend.
I guess there are people buying these expensive vehicles. I don't know any but they must be out there or they wouldn't make them. Hard to believe
Stopped watching at the Nissan commercial.
Way too expensive, it's gonna sit on the lot forever.
Yea you better keep in the flat lands
In what world does $107,000 seem a good price for a family vehicle when most familys don't make near 50k per year combined less if they do the adults are 9 times out of 10 working 90-95% of the time just to pay bills and then come home barely eat and pass out only to do it again the next day a 100k+ SUV is completely unreasonable
3.92 axel with max tow package std 3.23 axel is. a lot lot less
Grand wagoneer comes standard with 3.92
I hope it doesn't rust out in ten years for a hundred and seven thousand
There is no point at which a $100k+vehicle (consumable) seems reasonable. Full Stop.
Cadillac Escalade V ESV starts at $150k with nearly 700hp… it’s only .3 seconds quicker to 60 than the Wagoneer.
Buying a Wagoneer or a grand Wagoneer is like buying an apple product you are paying for the name. the price point will make them rare in the roads you will not see too many
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No , no, Nissan!!
Why not make a 2x4 model
Because it's a Jeep, I don't think they sell any vehicles without 4x4 or AWD. If you want rear wheel drive only, get a Durango.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Wagoneer got a 2x4 but the grand wagoneer do your research
Did I just watch a recorded ad????
My family does not cost that much....
Unless it's a I look at people that spend 70K on a pickup like their insane
My 3 bed, 2 bath 1600sq foot house was $190,000. $107,000 for a Joop?
No.
I'd just buy an HD truck and tell the extra kids their riding in the airstream before I spend $107k on this.