It might be because I'm in a university bubble, but I'm generally well liked. I'm just too independent to ever really belong at a fun group gathering unless there are people who are willing to talk about topics that are not shallow in nature. That's not necessarily the worlds doing, but rather my own wish. I have a small group of friends that are all quite independent (though not all introverted), so it works well. I generally think the INTP works very well in a university setting. We have a lot of original thoughts/ideas and although we don't usually enjoy it, are very capable of leading other people (I mean, there's kind of the internal dilemma of the enjoyment of having the power vs. having to deal with people that are not always as capable) and often end up being forced into that position for these reasons as well as our perfectionism. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's easy to like us for our originality in thoughts and shouldn't be bothered by the type of people that don't like us, because those people are usually not interesting enough to associate with anyway.
Yeah , i too think & feel so. Almost no one likes a woman like me here ( i live in South East Asia) , society always expect us to be Fe dom/middle i guess😂
@@MyouKyuubi shut your libelous mouth. God knows i tried. But feelers don't have a set rules, our Ti is bound by logic, rhetoric, epistemology. What are feelings organized by... ethics, maslow's hierarchy of needs? Im not trying to put feelers down, im seriously asking, get your shit together. One of us makes sense, that's not any way to have a conversation.
I believe I am one myself as I have scanned through alot of articles from various different platforms and domains and the only explanation I can give is Be yourself, seek the truth and bring havoc to your reality because that is the only way you will make it fit your life. When you let go of falsified thoughts you reach higher conciousness and sure you may lose people and get kicked but this is called evolving/ascending into higher thoughts, feelings and thinking patterns etc, progression strives and always remember our universe before our eyes is shaped by our conciousness. Criticise only what holds you back. (I've edited this a lot in hopes that it will make sense but I want to try to help so I hope I am not too vague or anything)
@@godhimself9774 "Criticise only what holds you back" It's so hard for me to be in the moment enough to recognise the habbit of being critical of others, however i'm getting better at biting my toungue.
@@godhimself9774 It could be true but the thought of bringing havoc to my reality makes my inner Si child shriek in terror. 😱😬 I guess we have to work at embracing the chaos since that randomness and uncertainty is what we're primarily afraid of. But I can't stay out of my comfort zone for too long. I can only dip into the scary stuff and out of it, or I end up becoming too overwhelmed and unable to cope. I couldn't live my entire life out of my comfort zone 24/7. Just small things daily for me. 🙂
my friend was talking about her bad family life and I laughed accidentally because I thought she was kidding and then my whole entire group stared at me angrily😭 no wonder i never get invites to places
That's a pretty interesting thought! I too have flirted with the temptations of such a seductive lady lol. I wasn't able to reconcile nihilism with my deep universal beliefs though ...so I've settled on the most part for Gnosticism ...which I guess you could consider more of a materialistic nihilism lol
As an INTP I have the ability to turn emotions off and use words to go for the jugular every time. It is brutal. Saying things that I know will trigger bad emotional responses, while effectively blocking out all the emotional rantings coming at me. I am not proud of it and I am fully aware that I use it as a manipulation tool.
I have that same inclination. The things I think about saying sometimes are sickening in retrospect. Development of introverted feeling and extraverted thinking are paramount to fixing this. Recognizing and accepting that feeling is a rational function, acknowledging what those feelings are through introverted feeling, sorting them out with your strong introverted thinking and expressing them in a timely fashion when they arise through extroverted thinking is incredibly difficult but incredibly necessary if you want to be able to function successfully in the world. Otherwise you just become cold and dark and alone and all that rational brilliance you value so much will be snuffed out in darkness. I'm speaking from experience.
I do the same thing. I find it amusing. I could be making the soundest point in a debate and my opponent will just one wipe their ass with it. Then I drop an insult and suddenly that shit is real. On the inside I sit there laughing and ask why can't they just wipe their ass with the insult the same as they did with my argument?
@@vloh3097 It's just about throwing the person off balance, so the better you know them the easier it is. But really, most people are the same so all you have to do is figure out what's bothering them about the conversation you're in and figure out why it does. It is always based on some insecurity they probably don't know they have. Then just use that. I have a friend who literally asked me to stop doing it when I'm upset because she'd rather be punched, so be careful how you use it I guess.
Well I'd say it's because we see conflicts as necessary steps to reach a conclusion but to reach the conclusion you have to have someone to counter you, but since we are methodical thinks we skips the build up and head straight for the left right goodnight lol, but if we can keep our own emotions in check then how can we think of a suitable response so we remove the emotional aspect and it just looks like we go for the throat but really we started from the bottom and cut all the way to the top lol
I'd rather be punched in the face than be outsmarted too. Its the most humiliating moment ever. Tho i guess since the humiliation still aches for a long time, that particular moment won't happen again.
100% I still reflect on those moments that happened years ago, however all the fights, punches or physical confrontations are a thing of the past, barely a memory, however that shot to the intelligence, son of a bitch does it leave a long lasting scar.
@@Finding_Elysium and then you re do the whole conversation and say exactly what you needed to say in your head, nod in approval and then remember its too late^^
@-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM your comment is stupid. When we say being outsmarted we only mean directly and by our peers. Of course im not the smartest person on earth. But being beaten by someone i know and i regard as less smart than me is humiliating( the good kind, helps staying in touch with reality and reminds you of your place). If you thought i was prentending to be the smartest you really need to re learn how to read and contextualize.
@-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM i am indeed above average. Thats only a logical conclusion. Is it sad ? No. I never thought i was special and id rather have more social skills instead of being a bit above average in intelligence. Anyone can outsmart you given the right circomstances and being overall better than someone at something doesnt mean he wont best you. You clearly lack a greater vision, you are being too simplistic here if you think i'm boasting. My comment was about being more humble and you accuse me of being delusional and arrogant ? Make more sense please. And understand the gap between confidence in your abilities and arrogance. If thats not too much to ask of you.
@-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM ??? I dont understand what you are trying to do. As if anything you said put you anywhere close to outsmarting me. You just started basically repeating what i said before, then make baseless assumptions on my intellect and mental state ; and then deblaterate the obvious about the unknown of the world. And if we are talking about self doubt, i do constantly doubt everything, including my abilities. But testing them over and over shows you conclusions you can rely on long enough to use them before doubting again. I believe im smart. But i constantly put that statement to the test. I am a person who doubts and hates herslef very regularly. You are making baseless assumptions that is all. I think it is you who is showing your pathetic side by reacting the way you do to my statements. You dont know how much ive reaserched just by curiosity about INTP's and MBTI in general to understand if it was reliable or not. You cant be a Ti hero user. Your failure to understand the truth and your sloppy presumptions have taken away any credit you could have. I was genuinely waiting for you to show me you werent as dumb as i thought you were. What a let down. Ps : i was not gonna denigrate your overall spelling, as i am not a native english speaker. And i dont care about the ":" wich could simply be a a typing mistake, something that is inconsequential in a youtube comment. Edit : in case you get the idea, save the critics on the long comment. Accuracy is a trait INTP's have. When i bother to do something, i do it well. Even if it is a comment adressed to a person i judge so far as inferior intellectually.
As an INTP, on my best days I love myself and feel almost immaculate, on my worst I hate myself and wish I didn’t possess this loathsome and cursed personality type. I sometimes wish I could be like most other people; extroverted, willfully ignorant & content.
Idk why people think its cool or desirable to be a genius or have a high IQ.. There is a reason why most geniuses came across as eccentric, to completely insane. The constant urge for knowledge, the dangerous curiosity, continuously learning new things, accompanied by persistent boredom; making it extremely hard to stick with one thing long enough to make it a "career" when your chasing the horizon. The heightened need for stimulation. Feeling socially and emotionally disconnected, regardless of how social you can act, or how many friends you can make. Not holding jobs because they become too redundant, having society try to make you feel stupid because you can't fit the mold even if you tried, then you wonder how so many people can settle and tolerate it. Eventually you will start to break, whether its falling to drug addiction to "shut" everything off, mental illness, psychosis, suicide or homicide etc. Or you will eventually learn to embrace the madness, embrace yourself, and become bold and self assured. Without caring what others think anymore, you may be seen as arrogant, crazy or many more things, but it won't matter, and those that do matter won't think that about you.
It's funny, isn't it? The inspirational quotes became mantras for life over time. Because they're true. I think people want to be “smart” because so much emphasis is placed in things like IQ. We want assurance that we're not useless, which many people tell us we are. Especially as an INTP, finding a community of people who “get” you means a lot.
“They tend to devalue and disrespect emotionality, INTPs want people to act logically but that isn’t a logical expectation of people.” Literally doesn’t get any closer to how I think.
Same here. But the thing is, and probably most of you agree, it gets exhaustingly old trying to respect lower intelligence people's emotions, when all most of them do is react like fucking retards. So at some point you go rogue and stop caring. I am fully aware of it and I'm at the point where I don't fucking care anymore.
Same here I hate it when my sister cries or wants a hug. She comes to me complaining and I just tell her one word to say what I feel(and it describes my opinion perfectly) and in my mind it is enough but to her it's me not caring. No I just don't find unnecessary coversation to be fun it annoying
Something about INTPs (from an INTP), the silent treatment is our main way of expressing anger. If you actually make us have a response to something angering us, you've really stepped over our boundaries. I'd advise you to leave the INTP alone, or risk a potential explosion.
Yeah, ive exploded many times when people couldnt understand that i had to be in my room as my anger was increaseing to the point i probably would have hurt someone. So i broke a trach can instead of beating a face in.
genius? I am an INTP and I am more intelligent than average but that's all. I am defiantly not so intelligent it makes up for the negative traits of my thinking
To be fair, we can be extremely intelligent....just not in traditionally useful ways.....like I cant do math for shit...but hey if you ever need in depth knowledge on the lore of bionicle, or the aerodynamic and physics for the best "nerf" darts on the market accounting price and performance for use in competitive play....then I'm ur guy......
@@phililpb you say useless, I say very useful for the hobbies I personally enjoy and partake in, some people invest time in computer sciences, mechanical engineering, and astrophysics, I invest mine in the final fantasy series, building model kits, and studying the conceptualization of fourth-dimensional shapes and the attempts to physically visualize their third dimensional shadows.
I love and hate being an INTP, my logical side has kept me away from the destructive side of man but at the cost of isolating myself from the emotionally driven crowd which has left me not making the most of life!
Is there anyone else that is INTP that started drifting off into daydreaming about being apart of the dark side only seconds into the video, from all the fictional possibilities of Star Wars to Dexter, then playing out many scenarios in your head and figuring out which is the optimal outcome to your preferred darkside, while also fixing the many logical miscues and holes that doomed said fictional characters or the empire (dark sides) in those stories. Then having to re-watch the video to listen to everything you missed, only to start wondering if your choices would even work, or if you yourself have logical fallacies about your choices to fix those stories and even your own. Then having to go back and finish the second half, only to go off on even more tangents of what he talks about. Then only to wonder while you type this out, was it even worth it to share, and now reflecting as to why I even had the inclination to share my own thoughts in the first place. Alright, I'm going to go now.
Are you sure you're not INTJ? LOL. Nah, I often caught myself in scenarios where I'm a supervillain, like Darth Vader or DIO, and have their respective powers. From there on, I imagine what I would have done to defeat the main character, which generally bests the antagonists. You would be surprised at how powerful villains tend to be... and how easily they could have won by doing the right choice of moves... even if the MC is just as equally effective and smart. This is a pretty reality-disingaging activity though, so it's better to do it during vacation, when you have nothing else to do XD
@@umcaraqualquer3640 haha I don't believe so, I've taken that test from various sites at least 20 times over the years and everytime it comes up as INTP, so I've got a pretty good sample group. Only one time did it appear as another, though to be fair it was INTJ. Though, maybe it comes up as INTP because I know how to manipulate the tests and subconsciously do so... I may have some reflecting to do on that one. But yeah, I don't do it just for evil or bad characters, literally any character, comedy, drama, science fiction, I have a hard time not breaking every action or bit of dialogue down, and analyzing it, especially the illogical/irrational nonsense, that stuff drives me up a wall. The crazy thing about myers briggs, is I think there's a little bit of many in each person. I know I have a lot of INTP tendencies overall, but have the hands on,no nonsense, lets get shit done mentality a lot of the ISTP. I defintely love my alone time, but do enjoy the company of others on the weekend and socializing with good friends around a bonfire or something of the sort, basically I've seen myself with minor pieces of other types. I don't think his intention was you were one and only one, wouldn't make much sense to be pigeon holed to one type. You also have to add in environmental factors and molding over the years of life, which can have an effect on the overall personality as a whole. Fascinating stuff at the very least. I'm also glad to hear I'm not the only one who does so, and sadly it is very disengaging, which is why people often ask if i'm alright at gatherings because i'm spaced out reflecting or thinking of heaven only knows, or dissecting peoples interactions. haha,
@@Finding_Elysium judging by your appearance (if that's you) you are way too put together to be intp. Like even ur beard is angled perfectly. You have a serious facial expression and spaced your paragraphs. Also you care what ppl think when responding to the other person. Maybe you are just a balanced j/p...what does your room look like? That's the tru intp test lmao
Everybody's favorite, lovable, homebody geniuses.... Hahahahahahha... More like, everybody's favorite, lovable, homebody geniuses from AFAR. Don't think a lot of people who interact with our kind on a much more regular basis, would say the same.😂😂
I made myself into a very likable character. Now people want to interact with me on a regular basis. What others might call a success, I call a mistake.
I'm stealing "intellectual mosh pit". For exactly what I dont know, probably just squirrel it away for another time that may or may not ever happen. I'll put it next to "planetary brain", nickname given to me by a former coworker that eventually became my supervisor and forced me to resign from my job.
I blocked so many people in the INTP groups on Facebook that it finally became a fun place for me to interact. Though actually there were a lot of trolls there who weren't INTP. Whereas in the INFP and INFJ groups I never had a problem because everyone there was so nice. Even though I never related to some of the posts, like "How does this picture make you feel?"
@@xero6396 INTP trolls don't bother me. They troll in exactly the same way I would troll, and I know their weaknesses as well as I know myself, so they're easy to slap down.
I think you forget the worst of them all: the death of moral As you properly stated, INTPs tend to think of emotions as unpractical annoyances and cast them aside. This gives us a clearer colder rational focus. When, in this "mood", we analyse morality and ethics, it is entirely possible to reach the conclusion that no ethic or moral code is grounded in any logic rather than the propagation of one's genes. And, believe me, once you reach that conclusion, the Ti can get fearlessly pragmatical and consequencialist. Ironically enough, Fe will still make us be kind and worry about close friends. The best description I got from this current state was from a close friend that described me as an iceberg where the top and the very bottom were kindness and the middle was dark and cold.
Thought experiment: The train dilemma... You are on a train along a track that is about to split... If you keep going straight doing nothing, you will kill 1 person. If you flip the switch and swap tracks, you will kill 5 people. Most people would do nothing, in order to do as little damage as possible... They consider this to be the moral choice, the "greater good". INFP rabbit hole: But what even is the greater good? The world is suffering from overpopulation problems, so technically, the greater good would be to flip the switch and kill 5 people, doing as much damage as possible... It might seem cold, but this objectively is the greater good as it contributes to solving a more pressing permanent issue than... The temporary emotional turmoil of multiple families. So yeah, there's a bit of a dark side to INFP's... I wouldn't call it the "death of moral" i would call it "The dark side of morality". xD Making sacrifices for a better future is a common aspect of morality, and a reality we as a species, have to become more used to... otherwise, we won't have a planet much longer, and then we'll all go extinct, which is worse than having a group of people die occasionally... See what i mean? It's not wrong, it's just kinda tough to swallow.
@TheNorth Remembers I've never said being rational means not having feelings. Actually, I pointed out in the iceberg allegory how we, INTPs, may end up having a rational Ti that finds out the logical flaws of moral codes and Fe that still wants to be nice and empathetic to others. And I absolutely never mentioned the word genius... What I said is that, if you take a moral code and you use your Ti on it, an exercise of logic, always asking the why, you will end up with the truth that, unless supported by GOD, morals have no rational support. The closest try to develop a rational proved moral code is the one of JS Mill, but not even his can stand a hard logic argument.
Madao, “overpopulation” is a debatable assumption people have been indoctrinated to believe. So to presume that the death of more people is a good thing is not necessarily correct. God can handle the big questions. Let’s just try to do what He asks us to do and leave the big problems to Him. He will guide each of us to make a wise choice if we let Him. As far as the immediate question about the train, I am adverse to actively causing the death of 5 people. As for the one person whom the train is heading for, I will pray like the dickens for him or her and hope that somehow things will not go as it looks like they will. Who knows what will happen for sure? Nothing is impossible with God. Also, perhaps that one person is a great leader with a good mind and heart and love of God. Perhaps that person could do more to save the world that the other five ever could. If that is the case, saving the one would be the greater good. You do not know everything so do your best in God’s eyes, trust in Him and sleep well at night. 🙂 (ISFP)
Reproduction itself isn't even inherently logical. What is the point? So your genes survive? That doesn't mean shit, you're still dead at the end of the day. Why even want any part of yourself to survive? That's not logic, that's emotion. It's not hard to understand that the most basic and universal ideas of morality and ethics are based on people's individual well-being. All rationality stems from some level of emotion, some sort of sentiment. In the purest sense, the only truly logical concept there is is the functionality of the universe, which we technically may be getting all wrong because there is a possibility that our senses have horribly deceived us in some way. Thus, it would seem to me that instead of the world being divided into the logical and illogical, it could more accurately be divided into different forms of logic- that meaning logic that is used for different purposes. Say a particularly emotional person wants to feel good. They use their logic to find a way to feel good. The thing that makes them happy obviously varies from person to person and from type to type, but the base logic is the same. Different people desire different things, but in the end, it's all based on desire, not some logical necessity. Without some sort of sentiment guiding our logic, there is no purpose for it. There is no purpose for anything unless we give it purpose. Purpose is itself an illogical concept. What people often view as "cold hard logic" is often illogical for the same reasons.
@@traditionalgirl3943 "Madao, “overpopulation” is a debatable assumption people have been indoctrinated to believe." ... No, it's not a debatable issue, there are planetary problems happening world wide right this second, measurable changes in the atmosphere and such, that reduce our planets chances of producing edible crops, building materials, etc etc. Global warming is reducing our planets resources, and our growing population are increasing our need for MORE of said resources... More than our planet can dish out. This is objectively an overpopulation issue... Has nothing to do with indoctrination, you goof. :P "So to presume that the death of more people is a good thing is not necessarily correct." The death of people is a good thing for the planet, humans are an invasive infestation atm, and if we want to survive, we have to actually cull our population. : / "God can handle the big questions." God doesn't exist... Or if a god-like entity does exist, it definitely doesn't give two flying fucks about us or our problems. "Let’s just try to do what He asks us to do and leave the big problems to Him." And that is precisely why we're having these issues, because of irresponsible mentalities like yours. You think this is a problem only god can solve? That god will handle it if it's necessary? That just seems like a convenient excuse you make to avoid having to grow the fuck up and be responsible for your actions. Let me put it in terms you will understand: When judgement day comes, god will judge you as selfish, irresponsible and self-centered, and send you straight to hell for all eternity, because you were delusional enough (You lied to yourself) to think god would fix all your mistakes and used that delusion (self lie) as an excuse to keep making the same mistake over and over, to avoid growing up. -.-' I grew up with a religious family, and still came out an Atheist... Because as an INTP, i see right through bullshit like cognitive dissonance... I could spot double standards and hypocrisy when i was 6 years old, lmao. Took my grandmother by surprise, several times, when she tried to brainwash me into the religion. Needless to say, she stopped trying to brainwash me when she realized doing so made her doubt her own religion more than it convinced me to believe in it. :P "Nothing is impossible with God." God doesn't actually exist though, he's a fictional character from a book, not a real being. That being said, even if the biblical character of god did exist, he STILL wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone... Because nobody actually gets help from him, the bible states this quite clearly, SEVERAL FUCKING TIMES. For one, humans have free will, and therefore, human decisions and actions are not influenced by god, whatsoever... YOU are solely responsible for every action you make, NO EXCEPTIONS. :P So as far as being religious, you're bad at it, because you don't even understand your own religion. : /
The worst part of being an INTP is the deeply rooted feeling that you're intellectually superior to others, even though you're very evidently not, it's the one time you can't seem to be rational. You can think you're of average intellect, because you have many logical and obvious reasons to do so, but deep inside of you you know you have this conviction that you're almost a genius. Don't lie to yourself. If you're an INTP, can you honestly say you don't feel a little more intelligent than others? I occasionally feel really stupid, and I know I'm probably of very average intellect. Still I can't help but feel, even though I never formulate such a thought, that I'm intellectually superior.
@@DreamQuillRose Exactly, it's scientifically proved that everybody tends to feel better than average in many aspects in life, not only INTPs. In conclusion, everyone has that interior feeling of being intellectually superior than most people, but they aren't.
I kinda understand the feeling, as when I had a 'reality break'( i dont remember how to put it.) I got very narrcistic, instead of being humble which i usaully try to be.
The last minute of the video really hit me... I've been isolating myself for so long now that I dont even know how to get out of it, and the anxiety is keeping me from doing what I love for fear of messing up or not liking the end result. I wish there was a magical solution that wouldn't require me to put work in fixing myself
Elireum Sometimes you gotta just go outside and take a bus around the city or something. I know INTPs are overthinkers. Perfection doesn’t come if you don’t start. For Ni judgers, it’s easy to plan and practice. But for Ne users, you just have to ACT and fix as you go. You have to create as much as possible so people don’t “brand” you but see you as a creative who will do anything and everything so the heck with it:)
@@hannahmathilda7101 You're right.. I need to remember not everything needs to be perfect, and I know ultimately I'll be happier doing something rather than letting all my ideas run around in my head without materializing them. Thank you :)
I’ve been isolated too, but there has been some good come from it. For example, I’ve learned how to cook and also learned more about what I want and don’t want. Isolation can force you to confront these parts of yourself, and then you can work on it. Definitely make the effort to get out more, but don’t beat yourself up for the time spent in isolation. - ENTP (we can be introverted, too!)
I recognize your bullshit, because it smells like mine. You know exactly what you need to do. You just don't really want to do it. If you really wanted it, you would do it. Instead you've been doing what you truly want, because that made you happiest. Out there is drama. Drama is hassle. Who wants hassle? People who want to tell great stories.
I'm INTP-T, and I have extreme social phobias and anxiety, along with chronic depression. When I do express how I feel, particularly in this age of social media, I almost immediately regret it. However, this new wave of people being open about mental health issues has allowed me to get around that in a way. I can be open and vulnerable when I need to, explain how I feel about something, and just use that #BreakTheStigma hashtag. I'm a secular humanist/atheist, but I do incorporate some Buddhist principles into my life. Mostly as a guide for how to find a middle way, not as an actual set of rules for how to live because... I'm INTP, we don't really particularly care for rules! This is just me however, everyone is different. Even if they are the same personality type.
Hmm I'm also an INTP-T however I don't have as many problems as you but I can admit that life sucks I myself at the moment am trying to improve myself. Don't let depression get to you man you can beat it use the logic us INTPs are so proud of to beat your problems. I'm pessimistic and realistic myself but I want to change that I want to be an optimist while still being realistic. So I hope you find your way. I don't understand how being an atheist has any relevance it's probably because I was too lazy to look for the reason why but I personally am a Christian. If you ever feel alone remember you're not the only one struggling the world at times might seem like it isn't there for you but there are others like you so feel comfort that you're not the only one not to mention I assure you, you must have at least one person who cares about you even if you don't realize it. We might be logical but we don't know everything.
As an INTP, I notice that I utterly lack common sense. My way to deal with it is to learn as much philosophy as possible. As of now, I have really enjoyed studying existentialism^^
That's quite interesting, I also consider myself an INTP but I have an extroverted side and often enjoy social contact with others. What you say is quite true, even with similar personalities, everyone can differ quite a bit.
At 3:00 : "the fear of not fitting in gets the better of them" -- when I was about 8 years old, after dinner, we were all watching TV, then suddenly my mother turned it off and asked us to gather in the living room. With a heavy tone, she announced that a good family we knew just had an accident, and one of their children (the age of my little sister) had died. My sisters started to cry and everyone gathered for a group hug. Everyone but me. I couldn't understand what was going on neither why everyone was crying; she died, so what? It did not affect OUR family! Also, all the other kids still had both parents, everything's fine, right? Was I supposed to cry as well? Everyone was crying! So I hugged my parents and pretended to cry. I think I even managed to have some tears. Then everyone let go, and I felt relieved that I did not have to continue this charade. I had done my part, so I avoided any interaction on the subject from then on.
The problem with being the quirky adorable INTP is that everyone gets freaked out when you do show a little bit of emotion and even more when you don't show emotions when others would. The moment you stop being happy or complacent no one wants to be around you.
Haha, I know what you mean. I have the reputation for being very patient, but once time my brother did something I absolutely would not put up with and I went all Indignant Big Sister on him on the phone and when I hung up my friend were staring at me with their mouths open. Kind of fun to take people by surprise sometimes. They were like, "Wow, I better not do anything to tick you off." lol
A few years ago I laughed at a joke in my class ,and the person in the sitting next to me was like ,you’re smiling?!something along the lines of that.(it takes a lot for me to laugh at someone’s joke,naturally)
I act a bit opposite haha I usually make sure not to show anything, i only react slowly and make sure to be mild with my responses. If I know something but I am too lazy to do it, I’ll say I forgot to do it. So you can see when I accidentally snap, people get shocked. I remember something? Achievement! 💀
Intps can be lovably awkward. I think a good way to describe us is awkward lone wolves. We are very passionate, its just a good number of us suppress that and focus on Ti. The rest may try to please everyone. Life can be more fulfilling if you accept the risk and let go of the immense imagination you have and the need or guilt for everyone else to be happy. Just let things happen and be aware. Use your Ti and Ne to bolster your weak functions and make plans, catalog the world. It helps it feels more fulfilling
No matter what we know we can achieve, what we really want can’t be achieved. Not now at least. We need an INTP public center. It will have a lot of small rooms with beds, computer desks, and chalk boards. Maybe let some hot enfj to play with.
As an INTP, I loved everything about this. Such an accurate representation of who we are (and who we can become). The thing that hit closest to home was the part at the end about reclusiveness and avoiding situations where we aren't in the driver's seat. I'm finding myself falling into that trap of choosing what's comfortable and easy rather than what encourages growth and progress. Do you have any advice on pragmatic ways that someone could try to alter this behaviour and start "letting life push them around?"
The easiest way is to make use of friends or just befriend new people and go out with them. It’s amazing the hilarious and sometimes dangerous situations you can get into when you have lots of extraverted friends you can interact with! ~ Nathan
Plan a 2+ week trip doing something you have an interest in. They say it takes 2 weeks to form a habit, so immerse yourself in a completely different way of life. Have a friend in a different country? Ask if you can visit for an extended period of time. Don't do touristy stuff. You will learn more, and have better memories if you live like the locals. Is there an activity that you're interested in, but have no experience doing it? Jump in the deep end, and figure things out after. I never knew how to sail. So I joined a crew going from Florida to Michigan. It started out scary. I questioned what the hell I was doing for a few days on the boat, but I couldn't run away back home to safety. I had invested time and money. Then my normal habits began to disappear. I met a lot of interesting people. I began learning more than I thought I would, and became a vital member of that crew.
I’m an INTP female and I have been in this paradox my whole life, I don’t want to socialise and just want the whole world to leave me alone yet I yearn to be around people. But I’d prefer to yearn alone and then be with someone. I feel like my dark side grows larger as I get older and there is nothing I can do about it. Now that I think back to all my interactions with other people I realise that a lot of the difficulty stems from the fact that no one accepted me for what I was, I always was and still continuously am pressured to be a certain way, made to feel like I’m dysfunctional, like there is something wrong with me. Am pressured to be more social, to be more of a people pleaser, to care more about people, to be a wife or partner, to have more children. I have 2 daughters and I always wonder how on earth I pulled that off. Honestly my dream is to live on my own in either a sky high apartment where I can watch the sun set everyday and watch all the people below get long with their lives, or on my own in a cabin in the middle of nowhere away from everyone. I am not depressed and I dont hate anyone, I just love being alone. The thought of being in a marriage is unbearable. I have ended friendships and isolated myself from relatives because they would not stop putting pressure on me to find a Lerner. I don’t need anyone else’s validation and I don’t want to serve anyone. Yet society looks down on me for being this way and it breaks my heart that I can’t be accepted for what I am. Funny thing is when SHTF I am usually one of the few or the only one there to help people. We are so misunderstood and the world is so harsh. Luckily my w daughters are ISTP and INFP so we get along well and there is a reasonable level of understanding between us. They too are very introverted and don’t want to socialise.
It is not our behavior that is the problem, but the reaction of others to it. I want to "consume" everyone as they are. I always try to understand the other person and put myself in his place (Which does not always work, but at least I try, unlike the masses!). I would like, in return, also be accepted as I am now times. I don't understand why so many people really proactively refuse to do that, but demand every tolerance and acceptance for themselves. While they just mentally and verbally mow other people down.... I just hate people by now. Used deepl translator
I have been the same way since childhood,the shy or quiet kid, with a close knit of friends,I can communicate to people I don’t know ,I talk about there interest’s ask about there day ,just because I need some social interaction or I’ll go crazy like any other human being ,but having a low threshold for how much socialising I can take in one day drains the fun out of it,I get angry and annoyed and the vail falls off
@Anna Elmo it really hit me when you said “Funny thing is when SHTF i am usually one of the few or the only one there to help people” Because i remember when i went to a birthday gather from a guy I wanted to be friends with and it started raining heavy at night as i was on the way, but i still went there without a umbrella soaking wet. Some of his “close friends” didn’t even showed up. Fast forwards some months later he didn’t even gave me a happy birthday on my day. And i don’t even give that much importance to birthdays but when i realized it happened 2 years in a row i just stopped talking to him.
Dudette, embrace the dark. It won't hurt you in the end. There is no escape. Read up on your Jung. I was not a big fan of Jung until middle age, when I found that I could not escape the darkness, but it is only through the darkness that you can truly reach the light, or whatever is your destiny. Don't fear your destiny. Embrace it, and keep going. Life is movement and change.🔀🔁🔂♾
I’m an INTP-T with diagnosed Major Depressive Disorder. My life feels like an absolute shit show to me. I had this entire paragraph written explaining it but I’m an INTP so I thought ‘what’s the point?’ Most of y’all should understand without an explanation.
I never really comment on videos, but I feel like I have to on this. I recently took a personality test out of sheer curiosity and found out I am an INTP. My entire life I have felt like I am extremely different than like 95% of people but I have never been able to understand why. I found this video after looking up "INTP"...and about halfway through it tears started streaming down my face. This is weird for me because I havent cried in years, but for the first time in my life I feel like someone actually understands me for who I am. Thank you for taking the time to make this. - Noah
"People are disproportionately driven by emotions and irrational impulses." Yes, indeed they are, and they should stop that. Or, if they can't stop that, they should just let me make all the decisions, since I'm clearly better at it. Duh.
Better at decisions? The liquid you spilled on your keyboard while playing a city or planet building game for 12 hours straight while eating food cold out of a can if you ate at all, ignoring friends, family, loved ones to the point of alienation, exploding and saying cruel things when one of them comes over to check on you, neglecting hygiene in favor of 14 hour naps and the same dirty shirt for days at time, eschewing human connection out of fear, annoyance and childish irrational insecurity coupled with poor emotional management while bizarrely clinging to a sense of superiority from the dank, dark confines of a filthy, empty, palpably sad bedroom that reeks of stale coffee, weed and apathy….beg to differ.
@@lloydtxw This is just mental illness that you're describing, not all INTP's are this way. Sure, many are prone to being this way (you'd know if you watched the video) but it doesn't stop us from putting logic over emotions and being able to see a situation from many different perspectives. We see a lot of the outcomes and consequences of a decision before its made, more than the average person driven by irrationality and emotions.
Honestly that last bit was so true - I recommend that you find yourself a nice introvert who will make you do stuff with them. I say introvert bc most extroverts are so energetic it becomes irritating. Most people are bound to be more outgoing than me even if they are introverts. So, get a few people to adopt you and drag you into stuff and keep an open mind about it. I'm (slowly) learning to and it's great fun.
Hello 👋 INTP-T here. All this makes so much sense. We over analyze things so much that we sometimes ignore ourselves and don’t improve our lives even though we have the brain power to do so much with it, at least for me.
@@Demention94 yes I’ve had some progress thankfully! I have a lot of friends who are feelers who I’ve learned from. Although I still don’t feel many emotions I know how to at least react to things in a better way that doesn’t make me seem cold hearted. Hope you’ve made some progress too.
I quite like INTPs. They're great when they open up. Dark side? I knew an INTP who NEVER left the house. sponged off his dad (at the time he was 27) and watched video games all day for years (probably still does). The saddest part was that he was smart, even good looking, but just gave up on life. He also grew obese because food became his comfort food. I guess all types can take a dive. Sad man! All types still need to remain accountable always. Can't blame everything on everyone else. It is a recipe for disaster.
@@imtired5787 Nothing wrong with INTP. But this young man hurt everyone in his path. He felt entitled and everyone had to tiptoe around him while he made no effort to make his own way in life. It hurt his family and destroyed lives. Now he happened to be an INTP. Hitler was apparently an INFJ. Other types have their dark side too. This in no way reflects INTPs in general. But yes. This man destroyed people with his manipulation in order to sit and have everyone cater to him. Everything wrong with that.
@@redskyalice2529 Classic Puer aeternus. We all have it in us. That's the Si child version of it. It was predicted by Jung that this kind of phenomenon was to increase in our era. I am really not sure you can blame the guy for what developed for him. INTPs have no Se and seeks good Fe. They'll get dragged into whatever Se forces whilst being oblivious to it. You seem very quick to put blame on the one guy that sticks out but I bet you his family and surrounding share the essence of his dysfonction as well. Your invoking Hitler as the bad boogie man is the same normie simplistic interpretation. Sad he is eating bad food, physical unhealth is really hard and terrifying.
@@jonathanreave8558 Nothing simplistic and yes he had a crap upbringing. A lot of people did. But hey you didnt know the guy. PLEASE do not see this as representative of INTP. One of my best friends is INTP. Hitler was mentioned to illustrate that every type can go "bad". MBTI shows the cognitive functions we use, but our thoughts are up to us. Each and everyone MUST ALWAYS HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE (not shouting, just illustrating importance). My son has Si child (INFP). He goes the other way though. Always exercising. Listen, we can all be balanced or unbalanced. EVERY TYPE (hence the Hitler illustration) can turn their thought to evil. We simply all have to remain accountable always. Blaming life on others keeps us in victim status. Do you think I've lived a "privileged" life? No! I could genuinely blame everything down to my car being stolen so I was out of work for awhile etc. etc. But being sorry for ourselves and think the world owes us something is so very dangerous. It will ultimately lead to death (if not spiritually, then physically eventually). EVERYONE has been given at least some kind of opportunity in life (maybe not much but still). This guy had it all. Looks, brains, everything. But he focused on his upbringing and decided to take everyone else for a ride because of it. But thanks for your response. At least we're dealing with real issues, particularly in this day and age. Best
Not gonna lie, when I get bored, it's either I study or I question my very existence(which is usually what I do) and it kind of leads me to feeling inferior, and I lose all motivation to study, and I become very insecure and start questioning my knowledge, which to be honest, will get my engines working and motivating me to study. I mean that's just me, and that's how I help myself. Another way I help myself is isolating myself from people and not talking to them for a week or 2. Is that normal for intp's? Or is there something I need to change with how I help myself? The most fun way I help myself is going to Google and researching about random shit or watching long ass documentaries.
OMG that's exactly what I do when ever I'm frustrated, I isolate my self and start reading books or searching random subjects just any thing to get some knowledge
😂 "Researching random shit and watching long ass documentaries". This is me. Sci-fi movies no longer cut it because I made the mistake of studying Engineering at university. Now, instead of suspending belief during movies, I find myself questioning everything. Now I'm stuck with long ass documentaries.
@@shimaabdallah6784 @HermioneGranger. That's exactly what i do too ! Did you guys ever heard about enneagramm ? That's a well known defense mechanism of type 5. Since they feel like they're ''empty'' they start panicking and try to compulsively feed themselves with lot informations to feel safe and secure again. PS : I don't even know if i said it correctly since my English is kinda bad and it's already been months but anyway :3 i really think it could be usefull. -A fellow intp-
You just explained my whole self!! I do that too. I have a big problem with nihilism and sometimes I find myself sitting on my chair thinking about if life has any sense.
The third part is so helpful. I find myself stagnating for years on end where I would just scheme, daydream about scenarios, overthink, and question everything until my energy is too depleted to actually act on any of my ideas as I watch the lives of others unfold eventfully while I am looking at memes in my room. Meditation, therapy, chance meetings and studying myers brigs has made me realize that especially for my type, inaction and over-thinking is a dangerous drug. When I find myself in such a rut I just start doing anything that leaves an impact that is external to me instead of circles in my head-- like painting or meeting friends-- and I try to harness that inertia.
Agreed. I tell myself, "Nothing good will happen unless you make it happen." And, usually, for good things to happen you have to get other people involved. Other people provide you with a reason to get over inertia and discover you actually have a lot more energy than you thought. Even an interesting, philosophical conversation with a cashier can bring a spark alight. Or if you say something that cheers someone else up. You realize that you can use your intelligence for good, that you actually have the power to bring warmth and ideas and energy to the world, and it's a very good feeling. :)
INTP here, excellent video. I can definitely see myself doing a few of these things when I'm really frustrated. Like, I'm well aware that emotions, rather than logic, influence decision-making for most people. But it still gets to me when I can't convince a friend of mine that they're making a bad decision by proving it logically. Then they make that decision anyways and almost exactly what I could happen, happens. Afterwards, they start acting like they have no idea what went wrong. Like, I explained this exact thing to you last week, hello?? So frustrating lol
Hahaha! Yes, I teach my mom how to turn the TV on every weekend. I even downloaded an app on her phone where she taps twice and scrolls for things. She still doesn’t understand how to do it ;-(
I had to accept, years ago, that I shouldn’t try to solve people’s problems unless they explicitly ask me to. Don’t get involved, and then you don’t get frustrated. Just smile and nod as they tell you all about their problems, and roll your eyes as they continue to do stupid shit. Otherwise, if you really must intervene, do it the Aristotelian way by asking them questions about the situation that lead them to conclude to your argument themselves.
As an INTP what’s most curious to me is that I can experience intense emotional volatility yet if I don’t speak of it those closest to me would never know by my behavior. It’s an isolating experience and since being diagnosed with major depression I have worked on sharing my internal struggle, though most still do not understand the peculiarities of being a depressed INTP. My ESFJ best friend (odd pair lol) doesn’t get it, but he tries and genuinely has my back. That’s worth more than my younger self assumed. Sometimes being seen is the closest we’ll get to understood.
As an intp I agree but at least for me, it’s less people acting “logical” but more about what’s the person’s values and actual beliefs. I’ve learned to enjoy the humor of people who are afraid to think or feel their way to knowing what they believe.
What you said about the inferior functions and not having a balanced approach to the world really stuck with me bc as an INFP, I have all these ideas and projects that I do haphazardly... I'll do some work for a day or if I'm lucky, a few days then not touch it for months and complain about how I'm not doing anything about it while not doing anything about it... I'm still working on implementing habits and being productive...
Ne Dom here. I wrote my goals down in a journal/planner and also anticipated common excuses not to do my work and answers to them, as well as breaking down my plans of action so as not to get decision fatigue. I even wrote a page about what was holding me back psychologically, and then figured out some solutions for those. It definitely helps keep me accountable, and I realized something major about myself that was making studying/life harder than it needed to be, which was that I wasn’t learning from my failures (I.e., shitty Si). You’ve got better Si than I have so your planner/journal will probably be cooler than mine. 😉
@@seventhsheaven yeesss I have a bullet journal and made it look so pretty.. I'm starting to check things off finally after a whole year has gone by... I'll work on consistency now 🤗
@@khadhija7 I have a bullet journal too but the problem is being consistent with it. Making it look pretty would be fun but just add to my perfectionism and hinder the outcome of the purpose for it. Consistent effort in focused areas has always been a problem with my studying and intellectual pursuits. I tend to want to branch out too much because it's more fun. But in my relationships I'm not like that. I always need to narrow down my contacts to be able to spend the most time with the people who are the most significant to me. Which is why I amass online friend requests from strangers and I generally ignore them unless there is definitely a lot of common ground.
Hi Nathan - I am married to an INTP. She spends a lot of her time frustrated and angry. Not so much with people (Although sometimes with people), but more often with the world. That the things she wants to achieve don't fit in with her disjointed way of managing tasks and organising her time. I think this would be a great topic for an INTP video, how they can manage their anger and make their piece with a world that won't adjust to their fast moving mind.
As an INTP I tend to find that when I ever feel like causing chaos, or want to break apart a friend group of people who annoy me and act ridiculously emotional and irrational, its really easy, their friendships always seem so fragile and balancing on a thread.
My friends find me creepy when playing games because I “learn like a computer” . They say that I get better with ever game and eventually beat them going from losing every time to winning every time within 5 or 6 games. So I never really care for the losses because I know that learned about their playing style. My brain maps their way automatically. I know that I will put smart then eventually so I often don’t mind losing the first few rounds.
I love myself, I born like this, and I'm tired of ppl saying "you r just trying to be weard" you are the stereotype of "I'm not like other girls" Since I know of my own existence, I suffer bullying. how do you want me to not be proud of who I am, if people constantly try to bring me down.
You've got a fascinating way of describing the cognitive functions. I tend to describe the personality types in a very behavior oriented / sociological way, but can sometimes be awefully vague on how functions express themselves. I'd be really interested to hear you talk more in depth about what you observe on the topic of functions, your Ni attention details is an excellent food for my Ne holistic vision.
I do worry often that my way of viewing them is too individual to me and isn't useful to other people (or could simply be totally wrong). I try my best to make sure it matches with the observations I have about people in practice. I think I'll add your suggestions to the list of future video ideas. Thank you! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho So far your descriptions of the cognitive function seem to reflect the type's behaviors very well, like what they conceptually should. I at least see very little personal bias with your view, and besides, the cognitive functions are so often misunderstood or neglected, with a wrong focus on the "letters" that make up the type, that I welcome any attempt from someone like you to remove confusion.
"everybody's favourite" *Sigh* Oh well... I am " everyone's " favourite when i flutter about like a social butterfly. But when i show them my introverted side--it is just too much for 'em to handle. fun fact: whenever im quiet ppl just assume that im mad, and i find it amusing how ppl with poor cognitive functions thinks that they're sensible people pfft. (If i were to explain myself to 'em, they would think im lying. so why not just have some fun and play a long?)
Finally i found a person in my situation, i used to pretend that im feeling more than im actually are, showing my emotions and all (just the fun ones) and when i tried show the other part of me they ALWAYS says "im not gonna talk to you bc you're mad right now" "are u mad?" "You are boring" the last is bc i used to laugh of silly things, and when i don't this happens, urgh
It really hit me the thing about being outsmarted, as a woman, if someone tells me I'm ugly or fat, my response is, meh whatever, but if someone insults my intellect, dear lord, I immediately lost any respect for that person and l put them in my blacklist
Food for thought video! Caused me to reflect: an INTP attorney for example may understand alternate theories and method to prevail but find the outcome offends ever-shifting public conscience or serves only personal gain. For that matter, all types need their own check and balance.
As a child/young adult, I rushed to conformity because I felt that I was not likable as me, and I regretted every minute of it. I really struggled with self worth for the longest time. Maturity and acknowledging my gifts have really helped me find my place in the human world (even though I hate I have to be part of it).
As an INTP who struggled through severe clinical depression and bipolar disorder for a good chunk of my late teens and early adulthood, I did experience the complete loss of reality. I couldn't fathom if I was alive or dead. I was in a horrendous dark place that made me incredibly conscious and yet kept loosing every bit of it(consciousness) with each passing moment. A paradox in itself.. yes. It was like that nightmare, where you're falling down into nothingness, except that it continued.. to what seemed like a forever.
"Everybody's favorite, lovable, homebody geniuses" *well considering one of the most popular and fangirled over character is an intp i don't think he's wrong*
I'm an ENFP.. And I love you guys ... Honestly never EVER change.. You're unique and you have so much about you most people never see x you're always the most interesting person in the whole room x
Another ENFP wrote here: Be yourself . I my personal opinion it is correct for ENFPs, I like you really much. But in my opinion it is not good to be seen as an INTP, like for an INFJ. Our TI can be extremely harsh, to the outside and much more to the inside, I have to be very cautious to let it to the outer world. I try to take some of the ISTP and EsTP attitudes, to mild the TI and to get more SE , and it helps me a lot in my life.
Am I the only INTP here who always cares about emotions? I am good at both science and psychology, and I understand people pretty well, although I tend to understand people in the logical way. I feel extremely sad at the loss of family and friends, and can be in pretty long relationships, even though I always prioritize logic over emotions. I often think of the logically best way to improve emotional things.
Once, when asked in an interview, I was asked both, "what is your greatest strength and weakness... I said "my perfectionism" it is truly a value and character flaw. I personally admire the intellectual superiority - even when its casted by shadows of making others feel stupid. The truth is, for the most part e/intps in my life are always valid, and because I dont have low self esteem, I can laugh and agree. I feel like the point blank bluntness is refreshing. An intj or istj on the other hand, in my life ..have razor sharp tongues that can hurt, and not always with the same validity, that combined with further stubbornness of how accurate and correct they are, gives a different flavor. As for isolation, I can resonate with that, my Ni can keep me locked indoors and away from the world for extended periods of time. Happily. But i believe the isolation comes from a different place then intps ...Good video Nathan. As always.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson how have you been !? --- I personally have a hard time with being asked that question, it feels too surface. But alas...I hope you've been well.xx
Very interesting! I’m an ENTP who looks very much like an INTP on a superficial level (Introverted, quiet) but it was interesting to see each type’s inner conflict broken down. Behind the squishy exterior, there can lie a real disdain for the emotive, and that’s a huge oversight. What I would say to INTPs is, don’t underestimate the feelers and sensors. Figure out what they want and how that could affect you and your plans. Show them the face they want to see. Now I need to get back to trying not to underestimate the details and succumb to hypochondria.
As an intp, sensors are fine, we need some people to keep us from going too wild. Hell, istps technically are as logical as us so respect on that front. Feelers are little bitches though.
@@bonogiamboni4830 yes my dad in an ISTP and he is very logical and so intelligent. Not all sensors are dumb as some people say. I know a lot of intuitives who would seem so stupid compared to him.
@@Ignasimp funny, my dad is also an istp and while he isn't a doctor or anything, he kinda has that intp quality of knowing a little bit of everything, except in his case it's through experience and it's mostly useful stuff like geography or fixing things, while i learn by watching videos on youtube. And then there's my esfj mom, who is just happy to be alomg for the ride.
@@bonogiamboni4830 my dad studied geography XD and is a high school history teacher and school director. He has an understanding of todays politics in a global way that most people can't even start to grasp. He is also very proficient with manual stuff.
As an INTP with mental health issues I have had to examine the ever confusing world of feelings quite a lot these past couple of years. The bright side is that it is giving me a greater appreciation for people who are not entirely logical, because although my thoughts are ruled by logic it seems my emotions actively repel logic. They make an effort to stare my thoughts in the face and say 'yeah, nah'
If you look at it as being "outsmarted" your perception of smartness is the egos game, if thats the paradigm then ideas, theroies and conversations is not about representing reality the most accurate but about attaching your ego to BEING the one representing reality the most accurate. If you wanna take "smartness" to its peak then this game of egos is essential to lay of.
Now I know why I'd rather fight with my fist rather although I'm basically a walking uncooked spaghetti than yelling at each other, I'm too afraid I would lose in battle of wits. Also, the idea of life pushes me around is scary.
Very impressive video again, you are my fav when it comes to MBTI videos. I especially liked the quick and concrete examples of the tug of war between some types' higher and lower functions. I'm an INTP and especially liked your take on what Fe entails, "tailoring your message to suit an audience" really struck a chord with me because I realized it's something I purposely try not to do because I view it as dishonesty to myself (My own Ti?), which I put more value in that tailoring the message, while paradoxically tailoring it will probably yield "better" results in the sense that what I'm trying to say actually gets conveyed. I think it's cause my sense of what's "better" is closer to being a living representation of my internal framework I created to view the world, instead of being someone's teacher in a direct way, I hope to inspire more than teach.
Even if someone could outsmart me in a private setting, I would act out. I can take many insults but though I don’t show it, if my intelligence is insulted, I’d admit myself into a psych ward.
INTP's get ridgid when they decide to run their life off of an Algorythm and disguard other factors and ways of learning in the external world. It can get as bad and flawed as Google or Facebook Machine Learning. INTP's fall into the cycle of going extreme on a rule or principle and then they have to accept some parts of their algorythm are wrong, need to be changed or scaled back a bit in the next update to keep improving.
But that's why we're truth seekers and don't pretend to be omniscient. I know most of us already know that. And we put our time into learning concepts, not tiny factual details, which can make us look like we aren't that smart because we haven't gone out of our way to memorise these things unless they will be of use to us in testing our hypotheses. We can have a broad encyclopaedic knowledge but that doesn't count for anything in my opinion. It's the insights and connections that we form with our knowledge that make us smart.
I’m ISTP. I feel like this video is meant for me too. I’m not intellectually superior, but I do unfortunately make people feel stupid when I get angry with them. I’m working on that stupid habit I have. Yes. Agreed. We are emotional creatures. For example I may not cry when I’m stressed, but I’ll overeat. I may not have confronted my former boss, who I thought was the personification of evil. I’d do whatever she asked of me, no matter how it angered me( because I don’t let emotions get in the way) , However, I’ll feel physically sick on the last day I am allowed to resign. All of a sudden I have a panic attack and I turn in my resignation 5 minutes before the deadline and completely ghost her. I didn’t even plan on resigning. It just happened. A huge weight lifted off my shoulders as soon as I pressed “enter”. I had no idea how miserable I was until I left that place of employment.
sciencelabvideos L fascinating, you resonating with this video would make sense since the shared top and bottom functions of Ti and Fe! Great comment, thank you!
having BPD and being an INTP is even more wild yet i don't see that being talked about even though i've met a huge portion of INTP people that have BPD aside from myself
As an INTP who juggles between her INFP and ENFJ persona ( a facade for fitting in and pleasing people around), I find it extremely hard to be consistent with my real feelings towards others. It bothers me how easily I can be pleased and displeased and I tend to completely shut off all my emotions when dealing with new people as I don't want to get abandoned after getting attached. I love being genuine but I can't afford that for my own sake. Often times, the few people you want to be close to either exploit you or take you from granted. It further pulls you inside a shell. You try to be logical and not get feelings involved, but that inner sensitive child in you desperately wants someone to magically understand your situation without you having to ask for it. It's as if you live your best life inside your head. Reality is very different.
It's very funny, because being a brain bully in my early teen years led to a complete breakdown and restructuring of how I present myself to the world, and now my problem is in the opposite direction, with an uncontrolled feel impacting my ability to think and analyse. Fun times
May I please request some more ENTJ videos? I love your insights and would like to get more info from you about my type. Please and thank you in advance.
As we learn from eg. Zen, the world would be a much better place if we all learned to control / modulate our emotions. Sure, emotions have their purpose and shouldn't be repressed. But they shouldn't be given more attention than they deserve either... and they surely get way, way too much attention in the 21st century West!
"...they become ungrounded, and float up into dreamland..." Thank you so much for your work. I've been trying to describe these issues in therapy, but they don't recognize or relate to this sort of experience. However, this is exactly it! Brilliant insights, friend.
ENFP here: I just met an INTP on Tinder... we spoke for almost a week, everyday, and it was really really nice conversation! I was asking a lot of questions and sending pretty decent length replies and the responses seemed fine, there was follow-through and questions. There was even some nice compliments from them. I started to have hope that we'd meet, perhaps even develop something special, they're moving to my city for their studies. With no warning the INTP just stopped talking. Disappeared... It's been 5 days...
As an INTP, i agree, i've been through many of the things you have mentioned, and getting out of it (some of them) took myself to fight with my own beliefs, basically you have to "figure it out yourself". But i don't mean isolation, i needed to observe positivity to relearn how to be happy. i forgot that i could also be wrong at times and would go into self doubt whenever i would be wrong. i thought i wasn't good enough, thus my self esteem became lower too. It's extremely difficult to leave the dark side of INTP but we gotta keep fighting....
May I also request a video where you explain the Cognitive functions. What they are and how they manifest in different positions. I think we could all benefit from additional knowledge about the functions. Thank you.
@@lovewho Awesome! Thanks for replying. Something else about the cognitive functions. What might be helpful with understanding them deeper is the knowledge of the positions themselves (regardless of what function appears there) and what they mean i.e.the 1st - 8th positions in the stack. I have seen some MBTI schools refer to each position with names like the 1st being your hero function, the 6th as your critic function, demon function, etc. You previously referred to the 7th position of my type, the ENTJ as "SI *polar*(sic?)" in your ENTJ video. That was new terminology for me but I understood what you were referring to - Si and where it appeared in the stack. I think this would really help with understanding our types from a CF POV and also the other types. I've been looking for a video or article like that and I've been working on learning more so one day I could present this information but you are light years ahead of me in MBTI knowledge, you have a keen understanding of the types and present your knowledge in a cerebral way that I really find insightful. I think you will do it justice. Thanks again.
I too am very interested to learn more on this subject. I just don't have the inclination to do my own research. A spoon feeding would be greatly appreciated.
I constantly struggled for years now with the temptations of this dark side, the only safeguard I have is my personally higher level of agreeability - which I absolutely hate and view socially and professionally as a handicap or a weakness btw. But it's great to hear someone discuss the struggle of the dark side I experience 24/7, thank you \m/
That's why I hate being in my situation, caught up on a journey that feels like I'm going nowhere. I'm officially a recluse, which is not my true nature...but is this way because of where I am in life. This dream feels more like a nightmare & is being used to keep me polarized. It has literally been suffocating my personal development. But I can't change it right now so I guess it's the sacrifice I make for now, but something has to give asap. Plus, b/c of this plus some really other horrible things that occured on this journey has totally made me unmotivated. What was once interesting feels like a drag.
Here during the quarantine and man Im new to understanding my personality type. It’s like I’ve lived a lie my whole life up until a couple months ago lmao. For the majority of my life I thought introversion was a curse, and I tried so hard to learn the extroverted ways. As soon as I developed social skills I said fuck staying at Home, but thanks to a philosophy class I was able to somewhat connect back to my roots. On a mission for some intellectual crumbs 😭
I dated an INTP male for two months, I asked for exclusivity. He dropped an open relationship bomb on me and I had to deal with it. He knew I was looking for a serious relationship. I left his ass. Pretty insensitive and manipulative.
So, "get out more", basically... Yeah i'm trying... Kinds sucks that i also have insomnia, and live in a town with almost zero places to hang out, and almost zero places to engage in my hobbies. A bit isolating, but i'm making an effort to fight that isolation, which i assume is the entire point. :)
"Brain Bully" reminds me on a seminar I was in. The mentor told us about a former group that had a person that showed sociopathic behaviour and how this was a terrible experience for those who taught the seminar and for some participants who got manipulated and destroyed. One of my colleagues is an ISTP and we looked at each other with an evil expression and agreed that we certainly would have a lot of fun with such a person. I often sense this desire to use my brain to destroy someone but almost never do it these days. However, I do remember the Sin City scene where Marv kills the hitmen who try to get him: "I love hitmen. No matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad." If you deal with a Narcissist or Sociopath, it's the same, you don't have to feel bad using your brain as a weapon.
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"INTPS, everybody's favorite-"
Just on internet
Real life is very different towards us :'
Haha, ok next time I'll be sure to add that caveat. ~ Nathan
Whatever, we're amazing🖤🖤
It might be because I'm in a university bubble, but I'm generally well liked. I'm just too independent to ever really belong at a fun group gathering unless there are people who are willing to talk about topics that are not shallow in nature. That's not necessarily the worlds doing, but rather my own wish. I have a small group of friends that are all quite independent (though not all introverted), so it works well. I generally think the INTP works very well in a university setting. We have a lot of original thoughts/ideas and although we don't usually enjoy it, are very capable of leading other people (I mean, there's kind of the internal dilemma of the enjoyment of having the power vs. having to deal with people that are not always as capable) and often end up being forced into that position for these reasons as well as our perfectionism. I guess what I'm trying to say is it's easy to like us for our originality in thoughts and shouldn't be bothered by the type of people that don't like us, because those people are usually not interesting enough to associate with anyway.
Yeah , i too think & feel so. Almost no one likes a woman like me here ( i live in South East Asia) , society always expect us to be Fe dom/middle i guess😂
Exactly !!
And yes, the INTP paradox of knowing how humanity works but can't factor in their own feelings or that of others
They could learn how to do that though.
True! I'm often scolded by my friends for this and most of the time I didn't know what I do/say wrong
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@@MyouKyuubi shut your libelous mouth.
God knows i tried.
But feelers don't have a set rules, our Ti is bound by logic, rhetoric, epistemology.
What are feelings organized by... ethics, maslow's hierarchy of needs? Im not trying to put feelers down, im seriously asking, get your shit together. One of us makes sense, that's not any way to have a conversation.
@@chewsday5760 same......sigh....
Intp's darkside?
Since when there was a bright side?
I believe I am one myself as I have scanned through alot of articles from various different platforms and domains and the only explanation I can give is
Be yourself, seek the truth and bring havoc to your reality because that is the only way you will make it fit your life. When you let go of falsified thoughts you reach higher conciousness and sure you may lose people and get kicked but this is called evolving/ascending into higher thoughts, feelings and thinking patterns etc, progression strives and always remember our universe before our eyes is shaped by our conciousness.
Criticise only what holds you back.
(I've edited this a lot in hopes that it will make sense but I want to try to help so I hope I am not too vague or anything)
@@godhimself9774 "Criticise only what holds you back" It's so hard for me to be in the moment enough to recognise the habbit of being critical of others, however i'm getting better at biting my toungue.
Jigisha K this is so true im crying 😂
@K A Yes, it's interesting to study sociopaths, it's complex, and more than good and bad. And it doesnt make us one of them. Just that.
@@godhimself9774 It could be true but the thought of bringing havoc to my reality makes my inner Si child shriek in terror. 😱😬
I guess we have to work at embracing the chaos since that randomness and uncertainty is what we're primarily afraid of.
But I can't stay out of my comfort zone for too long. I can only dip into the scary stuff and out of it, or I end up becoming too overwhelmed and unable to cope. I couldn't live my entire life out of my comfort zone 24/7. Just small things daily for me. 🙂
"INTPs flirt with nihilism so they laugh when they hear someone complaining about their lives"
- By an INTP
Maybe I should call her...
my friend was talking about her bad family life and I laughed accidentally because I thought she was kidding and then my whole entire group stared at me angrily😭 no wonder i never get invites to places
trueuuuueueueueue😂😂
That's a pretty interesting thought! I too have flirted with the temptations of such a seductive lady lol. I wasn't able to reconcile nihilism with my deep universal beliefs though ...so I've settled on the most part for Gnosticism ...which I guess you could consider more of a materialistic nihilism lol
THIS is too accurate
As an INTP I have the ability to turn emotions off and use words to go for the jugular every time. It is brutal. Saying things that I know will trigger bad emotional responses, while effectively blocking out all the emotional rantings coming at me. I am not proud of it and I am fully aware that I use it as a manipulation tool.
I have that same inclination. The things I think about saying sometimes are sickening in retrospect. Development of introverted feeling and extraverted thinking are paramount to fixing this. Recognizing and accepting that feeling is a rational function, acknowledging what those feelings are through introverted feeling, sorting them out with your strong introverted thinking and expressing them in a timely fashion when they arise through extroverted thinking is incredibly difficult but incredibly necessary if you want to be able to function successfully in the world. Otherwise you just become cold and dark and alone and all that rational brilliance you value so much will be snuffed out in darkness. I'm speaking from experience.
I do the same thing. I find it amusing. I could be making the soundest point in a debate and my opponent will just one wipe their ass with it. Then I drop an insult and suddenly that shit is real. On the inside I sit there laughing and ask why can't they just wipe their ass with the insult the same as they did with my argument?
Cool. How can I do that?
@@vloh3097 It's just about throwing the person off balance, so the better you know them the easier it is. But really, most people are the same so all you have to do is figure out what's bothering them about the conversation you're in and figure out why it does. It is always based on some insecurity they probably don't know they have. Then just use that.
I have a friend who literally asked me to stop doing it when I'm upset because she'd rather be punched, so be careful how you use it I guess.
Well I'd say it's because we see conflicts as necessary steps to reach a conclusion but to reach the conclusion you have to have someone to counter you, but since we are methodical thinks we skips the build up and head straight for the left right goodnight lol, but if we can keep our own emotions in check then how can we think of a suitable response so we remove the emotional aspect and it just looks like we go for the throat but really we started from the bottom and cut all the way to the top lol
I'd rather be punched in the face than be outsmarted too. Its the most humiliating moment ever. Tho i guess since the humiliation still aches for a long time, that particular moment won't happen again.
100% I still reflect on those moments that happened years ago, however all the fights, punches or physical confrontations are a thing of the past, barely a memory, however that shot to the intelligence, son of a bitch does it leave a long lasting scar.
@@Finding_Elysium and then you re do the whole conversation and say exactly what you needed to say in your head, nod in approval and then remember its too late^^
@-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM your comment is stupid. When we say being outsmarted we only mean directly and by our peers. Of course im not the smartest person on earth. But being beaten by someone i know and i regard as less smart than me is humiliating( the good kind, helps staying in touch with reality and reminds you of your place). If you thought i was prentending to be the smartest you really need to re learn how to read and contextualize.
@-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM i am indeed above average. Thats only a logical conclusion. Is it sad ? No. I never thought i was special and id rather have more social skills instead of being a bit above average in intelligence. Anyone can outsmart you given the right circomstances and being overall better than someone at something doesnt mean he wont best you. You clearly lack a greater vision, you are being too simplistic here if you think i'm boasting. My comment was about being more humble and you accuse me of being delusional and arrogant ? Make more sense please. And understand the gap between confidence in your abilities and arrogance. If thats not too much to ask of you.
@-COLOMBIANCHANNEL-TM ??? I dont understand what you are trying to do. As if anything you said put you anywhere close to outsmarting me. You just started basically repeating what i said before, then make baseless assumptions on my intellect and mental state ; and then deblaterate the obvious about the unknown of the world. And if we are talking about self doubt, i do constantly doubt everything, including my abilities. But testing them over and over shows you conclusions you can rely on long enough to use them before doubting again. I believe im smart. But i constantly put that statement to the test. I am a person who doubts and hates herslef very regularly. You are making baseless assumptions that is all. I think it is you who is showing your pathetic side by reacting the way you do to my statements. You dont know how much ive reaserched just by curiosity about INTP's and MBTI in general to understand if it was reliable or not. You cant be a Ti hero user. Your failure to understand the truth and your sloppy presumptions have taken away any credit you could have. I was genuinely waiting for you to show me you werent as dumb as i thought you were. What a let down.
Ps : i was not gonna denigrate your overall spelling, as i am not a native english speaker. And i dont care about the ":" wich could simply be a a typing mistake, something that is inconsequential in a youtube comment.
Edit : in case you get the idea, save the critics on the long comment. Accuracy is a trait INTP's have. When i bother to do something, i do it well. Even if it is a comment adressed to a person i judge so far as inferior intellectually.
As an INTP, on my best days I love myself and feel almost immaculate, on my worst I hate myself and wish I didn’t possess this loathsome and cursed personality type. I sometimes wish I could be like most other people; extroverted, willfully ignorant & content.
Trust me, INTPs are essential for the human race to survive! ~ Nathan
Love Who i know that, but it doesn’t make a difference to me. i don’t want to be an intp
It would be so peaceful to be dumb right? I'm thinking bimbification erotica right now, because I see why certain people would be into that.
The old saying " ignorance is bliss " comes to mind.
Omg YES. I can relate so much to this.
RUclipsr : INTP , lovable...
Me (INTP) : NO
Haha! Fair enough. ~ Nathan
Exactly. What's to love? Everyone else calls us emotionless robots.
Xero recently a guy tried to compliment me by saying "I love Siri"
… f***ing really?
@@ellieb.1231 Oh no, that's awful!
Lovable...(but why?)
The video: The dark side of INTP
Me an INTP: my RUclips was always in dark mode
And yes this joke ashames me
Only intps find this joke funny , I'm wondering why you didn't delete it after 10 minutes
my youtube currently being in dark mode😂😂😂
DISGUSTANG
As it should :')
444 likes. 4 replies before me.
I honestly forgot there was another option.
Try being an intp female when the whole world expects u to be the complete opposite 😭
Good thing people are much more complex than mere "society". Perhaps the general populus "expects" something else, but there are some gems who don't.
I'm an INTJ. People don't know how to handle T-Women. We're "cold". So go out, and dominate. You have the edge of surprise.
This truly is an oof.
THIS
I've learned to politely tell people that they're effing hypocrites.
Idk why people think its cool or desirable to be a genius or have a high IQ.. There is a reason why most geniuses came across as eccentric, to completely insane. The constant urge for knowledge, the dangerous curiosity, continuously learning new things, accompanied by persistent boredom; making it extremely hard to stick with one thing long enough to make it a "career" when your chasing the horizon. The heightened need for stimulation. Feeling socially and emotionally disconnected, regardless of how social you can act, or how many friends you can make. Not holding jobs because they become too redundant, having society try to make you feel stupid because you can't fit the mold even if you tried, then you wonder how so many people can settle and tolerate it. Eventually you will start to break, whether its falling to drug addiction to "shut" everything off, mental illness, psychosis, suicide or homicide etc. Or you will eventually learn to embrace the madness, embrace yourself, and become bold and self assured. Without caring what others think anymore, you may be seen as arrogant, crazy or many more things, but it won't matter, and those that do matter won't think that about you.
@persistent bordeom. That is worse than arrogance i think....
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This comment should be pinned.
I'm really curious about what sleep feels like in CO. Or what cyanide tastes like. Talk about dangerous curiosity. Literally.
It's funny, isn't it? The inspirational quotes became mantras for life over time. Because they're true.
I think people want to be “smart” because so much emphasis is placed in things like IQ. We want assurance that we're not useless, which many people tell us we are. Especially as an INTP, finding a community of people who “get” you means a lot.
“They tend to devalue and disrespect emotionality, INTPs want people to act logically but that isn’t a logical expectation of people.” Literally doesn’t get any closer to how I think.
@K A Amen
and i don't have desire to improve my Fe
Same here. But the thing is, and probably most of you agree, it gets exhaustingly old trying to respect lower intelligence people's emotions, when all most of them do is react like fucking retards.
So at some point you go rogue and stop caring.
I am fully aware of it and I'm at the point where I don't fucking care anymore.
@@valcard Cringe, stay indoors and stay mad lmao
Same here I hate it when my sister cries or wants a hug. She comes to me complaining and I just tell her one word to say what I feel(and it describes my opinion perfectly) and in my mind it is enough but to her it's me not caring. No I just don't find unnecessary coversation to be fun it annoying
Never before have I been so offended by something I totally agree with.
Love this comment!! ~ Nathan
Love Who How *dare* you know us? Stahp it.
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You know it’s an INTP comment section when ....
All of the comments are paragraphs long
Amen! ~ Nathan
Bruh, u right
Leo Coyne because of the P in us.Thats why we do meaningless stuff some times. It stands for procrastination.
Leo Coyne 2 when an INTP uses lots of words to speak, it’s because they are thinking out loud.
Leo Coyne When INTP’s think out loud, they understand they have a high probability that no one will listen.
Something about INTPs (from an INTP), the silent treatment is our main way of expressing anger. If you actually make us have a response to something angering us, you've really stepped over our boundaries. I'd advise you to leave the INTP alone, or risk a potential explosion.
that's very true
im one and i can vouch for this
Yeah, ive exploded many times when people couldnt understand that i had to be in my room as my anger was increaseing to the point i probably would have hurt someone. So i broke a trach can instead of beating a face in.
@Kaiser Ike same
I agree. My best revenge is cutting the cord and never talk to them again.
"INTPs, everybody's favorite"
But here i am, called as the most annoying one from people around me lol
I feel that... Just because they can't understand us.
"INTPs, everybody's favorite"... on the internet. Not so much in the real world 🤷
Same here.
we're likable in theory but no one likes us in real life
By my own family
genius? I am an INTP and I am more intelligent than average but that's all. I am defiantly not so intelligent it makes up for the negative traits of my thinking
Yeah I mean it's a metaphorical way of telling it.
I agree.
But then again an INTP version of a "genius" is probably placed on a higher plateau than the average intellect would place the mark.
To be fair, we can be extremely intelligent....just not in traditionally useful ways.....like I cant do math for shit...but hey if you ever need in depth knowledge on the lore of bionicle, or the aerodynamic and physics for the best "nerf" darts on the market accounting price and performance for use in competitive play....then I'm ur guy......
@@watyhu99 for non traditional insert useless
@@phililpb you say useless, I say very useful for the hobbies I personally enjoy and partake in, some people invest time in computer sciences, mechanical engineering, and astrophysics, I invest mine in the final fantasy series, building model kits, and studying the conceptualization of fourth-dimensional shapes and the attempts to physically visualize their third dimensional shadows.
I love and hate being an INTP, my logical side has kept me away from the destructive side of man but at the cost of isolating myself from the emotionally driven crowd which has left me not making the most of life!
Yeah, how many INTPs have no life and zero friends, because they never leave their house?
*laughs in constantly randomly isolates myself and doesnt talk to any friends for months at a time*
@@lunastariaspiritdiva8662 even if we leave our house we feel that we are disconnected from reality we live in our inner world
Is there anyone else that is INTP that started drifting off into daydreaming about being apart of the dark side only seconds into the video, from all the fictional possibilities of Star Wars to Dexter, then playing out many scenarios in your head and figuring out which is the optimal outcome to your preferred darkside, while also fixing the many logical miscues and holes that doomed said fictional characters or the empire (dark sides) in those stories. Then having to re-watch the video to listen to everything you missed, only to start wondering if your choices would even work, or if you yourself have logical fallacies about your choices to fix those stories and even your own. Then having to go back and finish the second half, only to go off on even more tangents of what he talks about. Then only to wonder while you type this out, was it even worth it to share, and now reflecting as to why I even had the inclination to share my own thoughts in the first place.
Alright, I'm going to go now.
Are you sure you're not INTJ? LOL.
Nah, I often caught myself in scenarios where I'm a supervillain, like Darth Vader or DIO, and have their respective powers.
From there on, I imagine what I would have done to defeat the main character, which generally bests the antagonists.
You would be surprised at how powerful villains tend to be... and how easily they could have won by doing the right choice of moves... even if the MC is just as equally effective and smart.
This is a pretty reality-disingaging activity though, so it's better to do it during vacation, when you have nothing else to do XD
@@umcaraqualquer3640 haha I don't believe so, I've taken that test from various sites at least 20 times over the years and everytime it comes up as INTP, so I've got a pretty good sample group. Only one time did it appear as another, though to be fair it was INTJ. Though, maybe it comes up as INTP because I know how to manipulate the tests and subconsciously do so... I may have some reflecting to do on that one.
But yeah, I don't do it just for evil or bad characters, literally any character, comedy, drama, science fiction, I have a hard time not breaking every action or bit of dialogue down, and analyzing it, especially the illogical/irrational nonsense, that stuff drives me up a wall.
The crazy thing about myers briggs, is I think there's a little bit of many in each person. I know I have a lot of INTP tendencies overall, but have the hands on,no nonsense, lets get shit done mentality a lot of the ISTP. I defintely love my alone time, but do enjoy the company of others on the weekend and socializing with good friends around a bonfire or something of the sort, basically I've seen myself with minor pieces of other types.
I don't think his intention was you were one and only one, wouldn't make much sense to be pigeon holed to one type. You also have to add in environmental factors and molding over the years of life, which can have an effect on the overall personality as a whole.
Fascinating stuff at the very least.
I'm also glad to hear I'm not the only one who does so, and sadly it is very disengaging, which is why people often ask if i'm alright at gatherings because i'm spaced out reflecting or thinking of heaven only knows, or dissecting peoples interactions. haha,
Dann you mind reader you!
@@umcaraqualquer3640 deadass serious that's all i was thinking reading this INTJ
@@Finding_Elysium judging by your appearance (if that's you) you are way too put together to be intp. Like even ur beard is angled perfectly. You have a serious facial expression and spaced your paragraphs. Also you care what ppl think when responding to the other person. Maybe you are just a balanced j/p...what does your room look like? That's the tru intp test lmao
I don't see a dark side here... I see a lot of my valid complaints.
Everybody's favorite, lovable, homebody geniuses.... Hahahahahahha... More like, everybody's favorite, lovable, homebody geniuses from AFAR. Don't think a lot of people who interact with our kind on a much more regular basis, would say the same.😂😂
“From afar” lol! Love that. ~ Nathan
Yeah.....That's true.
I made myself into a very likable character. Now people want to interact with me on a regular basis. What others might call a success, I call a mistake.
@@antonackermann9620ha ha. Been there done that.
Yes afar :(
I need to hang out with INTPs more often. Intellectual mosh pits are fun.
intellectual mosh pit... how accurate.
I'm stealing "intellectual mosh pit". For exactly what I dont know, probably just squirrel it away for another time that may or may not ever happen. I'll put it next to "planetary brain", nickname given to me by a former coworker that eventually became my supervisor and forced me to resign from my job.
I blocked so many people in the INTP groups on Facebook that it finally became a fun place for me to interact. Though actually there were a lot of trolls there who weren't INTP.
Whereas in the INFP and INFJ groups I never had a problem because everyone there was so nice. Even though I never related to some of the posts, like "How does this picture make you feel?"
@@xero6396
INTP trolls don't bother me. They troll in exactly the same way I would troll, and I know their weaknesses as well as I know myself, so they're easy to slap down.
@@xero6396 depending on the group, a lot of those trolls aren't INTP.
I think you forget the worst of them all: the death of moral
As you properly stated, INTPs tend to think of emotions as unpractical annoyances and cast them aside. This gives us a clearer colder rational focus. When, in this "mood", we analyse morality and ethics, it is entirely possible to reach the conclusion that no ethic or moral code is grounded in any logic rather than the propagation of one's genes. And, believe me, once you reach that conclusion, the Ti can get fearlessly pragmatical and consequencialist. Ironically enough, Fe will still make us be kind and worry about close friends.
The best description I got from this current state was from a close friend that described me as an iceberg where the top and the very bottom were kindness and the middle was dark and cold.
Thought experiment:
The train dilemma... You are on a train along a track that is about to split... If you keep going straight doing nothing, you will kill 1 person.
If you flip the switch and swap tracks, you will kill 5 people.
Most people would do nothing, in order to do as little damage as possible... They consider this to be the moral choice, the "greater good".
INFP rabbit hole:
But what even is the greater good? The world is suffering from overpopulation problems, so technically, the greater good would be to flip the switch and kill 5 people, doing as much damage as possible... It might seem cold, but this objectively is the greater good as it contributes to solving a more pressing permanent issue than... The temporary emotional turmoil of multiple families.
So yeah, there's a bit of a dark side to INFP's... I wouldn't call it the "death of moral" i would call it "The dark side of morality". xD
Making sacrifices for a better future is a common aspect of morality, and a reality we as a species, have to become more used to... otherwise, we won't have a planet much longer, and then we'll all go extinct, which is worse than having a group of people die occasionally... See what i mean? It's not wrong, it's just kinda tough to swallow.
@TheNorth Remembers I've never said being rational means not having feelings. Actually, I pointed out in the iceberg allegory how we, INTPs, may end up having a rational Ti that finds out the logical flaws of moral codes and Fe that still wants to be nice and empathetic to others.
And I absolutely never mentioned the word genius...
What I said is that, if you take a moral code and you use your Ti on it, an exercise of logic, always asking the why, you will end up with the truth that, unless supported by GOD, morals have no rational support. The closest try to develop a rational proved moral code is the one of JS Mill, but not even his can stand a hard logic argument.
Madao, “overpopulation” is a debatable assumption people have been indoctrinated to believe. So to presume that the death of more people is a good thing is not necessarily correct.
God can handle the big questions. Let’s just try to do what He asks us to do and leave the big problems to Him. He will guide each of us to make a wise choice if we let Him.
As far as the immediate question about the train, I am adverse to actively causing the death of 5 people.
As for the one person whom the train is heading for, I will pray like the dickens for him or her and hope that somehow things will not go as it looks like they will. Who knows what will happen for sure? Nothing is impossible with God.
Also, perhaps that one person is a great leader with a good mind and heart and love of God. Perhaps that person could do more to save the world that the other five ever could. If that is the case, saving the one would be the greater good.
You do not know everything so do your best in God’s eyes, trust in Him and sleep well at night. 🙂 (ISFP)
Reproduction itself isn't even inherently logical. What is the point? So your genes survive? That doesn't mean shit, you're still dead at the end of the day. Why even want any part of yourself to survive? That's not logic, that's emotion.
It's not hard to understand that the most basic and universal ideas of morality and ethics are based on people's individual well-being. All rationality stems from some level of emotion, some sort of sentiment. In the purest sense, the only truly logical concept there is is the functionality of the universe, which we technically may be getting all wrong because there is a possibility that our senses have horribly deceived us in some way.
Thus, it would seem to me that instead of the world being divided into the logical and illogical, it could more accurately be divided into different forms of logic- that meaning logic that is used for different purposes. Say a particularly emotional person wants to feel good. They use their logic to find a way to feel good. The thing that makes them happy obviously varies from person to person and from type to type, but the base logic is the same. Different people desire different things, but in the end, it's all based on desire, not some logical necessity. Without some sort of sentiment guiding our logic, there is no purpose for it. There is no purpose for anything unless we give it purpose. Purpose is itself an illogical concept. What people often view as "cold hard logic" is often illogical for the same reasons.
@@traditionalgirl3943 "Madao, “overpopulation” is a debatable assumption people have been indoctrinated to believe."
... No, it's not a debatable issue, there are planetary problems happening world wide right this second, measurable changes in the atmosphere and such, that reduce our planets chances of producing edible crops, building materials, etc etc.
Global warming is reducing our planets resources, and our growing population are increasing our need for MORE of said resources... More than our planet can dish out.
This is objectively an overpopulation issue... Has nothing to do with indoctrination, you goof. :P
"So to presume that the death of more people is a good thing is not necessarily correct."
The death of people is a good thing for the planet, humans are an invasive infestation atm, and if we want to survive, we have to actually cull our population. : /
"God can handle the big questions."
God doesn't exist... Or if a god-like entity does exist, it definitely doesn't give two flying fucks about us or our problems.
"Let’s just try to do what He asks us to do and leave the big problems to Him."
And that is precisely why we're having these issues, because of irresponsible mentalities like yours.
You think this is a problem only god can solve? That god will handle it if it's necessary? That just seems like a convenient excuse you make to avoid having to grow the fuck up and be responsible for your actions.
Let me put it in terms you will understand: When judgement day comes, god will judge you as selfish, irresponsible and self-centered, and send you straight to hell for all eternity, because you were delusional enough (You lied to yourself) to think god would fix all your mistakes and used that delusion (self lie) as an excuse to keep making the same mistake over and over, to avoid growing up. -.-'
I grew up with a religious family, and still came out an Atheist... Because as an INTP, i see right through bullshit like cognitive dissonance... I could spot double standards and hypocrisy when i was 6 years old, lmao.
Took my grandmother by surprise, several times, when she tried to brainwash me into the religion. Needless to say, she stopped trying to brainwash me when she realized doing so made her doubt her own religion more than it convinced me to believe in it. :P
"Nothing is impossible with God."
God doesn't actually exist though, he's a fictional character from a book, not a real being.
That being said, even if the biblical character of god did exist, he STILL wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone... Because nobody actually gets help from him, the bible states this quite clearly, SEVERAL FUCKING TIMES.
For one, humans have free will, and therefore, human decisions and actions are not influenced by god, whatsoever... YOU are solely responsible for every action you make, NO EXCEPTIONS. :P
So as far as being religious, you're bad at it, because you don't even understand your own religion. : /
I'm still not entirely sure I know how to resist the Darkside, but either way, hope you enjoy/enjoyed this video and advice.
How does personality disorders effect personality an are som types prone to certain disorders??? Wats yur take on it??
@@frankluis4653 I read a good blog on this..I'll look for it and link.
@@ChantelStays my hero! Thnk u
you should not resist it, you should embrace it. as carl jung said "I'd rather be whole than good".
Are you an INTP Nathan?
I think you went a little easy on us.
Ok let me embark on an intense toughening up regime and you can rate me next time around ~ Nathan
The worst part of being an INTP is the deeply rooted feeling that you're intellectually superior to others, even though you're very evidently not, it's the one time you can't seem to be rational. You can think you're of average intellect, because you have many logical and obvious reasons to do so, but deep inside of you you know you have this conviction that you're almost a genius. Don't lie to yourself. If you're an INTP, can you honestly say you don't feel a little more intelligent than others? I occasionally feel really stupid, and I know I'm probably of very average intellect. Still I can't help but feel, even though I never formulate such a thought, that I'm intellectually superior.
Fascinating! That conflict between feeling superior intellectually yet having the self-awareness to doubt that feeling ~ Nathan
Sometimes I do... but also, there's the natural human inclination to want to feel special and unique. Just like everybody else. lol
@@DreamQuillRose Exactly, it's scientifically proved that everybody tends to feel better than average in many aspects in life, not only INTPs. In conclusion, everyone has that interior feeling of being intellectually superior than most people, but they aren't.
This describes me perfectly
I kinda understand the feeling, as when I had a 'reality break'( i dont remember how to put it.) I got very narrcistic, instead of being humble which i usaully try to be.
The last minute of the video really hit me... I've been isolating myself for so long now that I dont even
know how to get out of it, and the anxiety is keeping me from doing what I love for fear of messing up or not liking the end result. I wish there was a magical solution that wouldn't require me to put work in fixing myself
Elireum
Sometimes you gotta just go outside and take a bus around the city or something. I know INTPs are overthinkers. Perfection doesn’t come if you don’t start. For Ni judgers, it’s easy to plan and practice. But for Ne users, you just have to ACT and fix as you go. You have to create as much as possible so people don’t “brand” you but see you as a creative who will do anything and everything so the heck with it:)
@@hannahmathilda7101 You're right.. I need to remember not everything needs to be perfect, and I know ultimately I'll be happier doing something rather than letting all my ideas run around in my head without materializing them. Thank you :)
I’ve been isolated too, but there has been some good come from it. For example, I’ve learned how to cook and also learned more about what I want and don’t want. Isolation can force you to confront these parts of yourself, and then you can work on it.
Definitely make the effort to get out more, but don’t beat yourself up for the time spent in isolation.
- ENTP (we can be introverted, too!)
I recognize your bullshit, because it smells like mine. You know exactly what you need to do. You just don't really want to do it. If you really wanted it, you would do it. Instead you've been doing what you truly want, because that made you happiest.
Out there is drama. Drama is hassle. Who wants hassle? People who want to tell great stories.
@@antonackermann9620 oh man don't get me started on storytellers and their redundancy and repetitious speaking style
INTPs have 2 moods
"No one deserves me, I'm god"
"No one loves me, I'm unlovable"
Literally!!!
INTP here - This is.... accurate.
I know I am years late…but damn I’m glad I aint the only one 😭
1st mood throughout the day, 2nd mood hits after 11pm :(
I'm INTP-T, and I have extreme social phobias and anxiety, along with chronic depression. When I do express how I feel, particularly in this age of social media, I almost immediately regret it. However, this new wave of people being open about mental health issues has allowed me to get around that in a way. I can be open and vulnerable when I need to, explain how I feel about something, and just use that #BreakTheStigma hashtag. I'm a secular humanist/atheist, but I do incorporate some Buddhist principles into my life. Mostly as a guide for how to find a middle way, not as an actual set of rules for how to live because... I'm INTP, we don't really particularly care for rules! This is just me however, everyone is different. Even if they are the same personality type.
you seem like a really cool person actually :)
Hmm I'm also an INTP-T however I don't have as many problems as you but I can admit that life sucks I myself at the moment am trying to improve myself. Don't let depression get to you man you can beat it use the logic us INTPs are so proud of to beat your problems. I'm pessimistic and realistic myself but I want to change that I want to be an optimist while still being realistic. So I hope you find your way. I don't understand how being an atheist has any relevance it's probably because I was too lazy to look for the reason why but I personally am a Christian. If you ever feel alone remember you're not the only one struggling the world at times might seem like it isn't there for you but there are others like you so feel comfort that you're not the only one not to mention I assure you, you must have at least one person who cares about you even if you don't realize it. We might be logical but we don't know everything.
As an INTP, I notice that I utterly lack common sense. My way to deal with it is to learn as much philosophy as possible. As of now, I have really enjoyed studying existentialism^^
That's quite interesting, I also consider myself an INTP but I have an extroverted side and often enjoy social contact with others. What you say is quite true, even with similar personalities, everyone can differ quite a bit.
I’m an INTP and I’ve social anxiety too. May I ask what may have caused you to develop social anxiety?
WHY are people so EMOTIONAL AAAA
At 3:00 : "the fear of not fitting in gets the better of them" -- when I was about 8 years old, after dinner, we were all watching TV, then suddenly my mother turned it off and asked us to gather in the living room. With a heavy tone, she announced that a good family we knew just had an accident, and one of their children (the age of my little sister) had died. My sisters started to cry and everyone gathered for a group hug. Everyone but me. I couldn't understand what was going on neither why everyone was crying; she died, so what? It did not affect OUR family! Also, all the other kids still had both parents, everything's fine, right? Was I supposed to cry as well? Everyone was crying! So I hugged my parents and pretended to cry. I think I even managed to have some tears. Then everyone let go, and I felt relieved that I did not have to continue this charade. I had done my part, so I avoided any interaction on the subject from then on.
So did i. It was at my age of ten to recognize acting sad is sometimes necessary.
The problem with being the quirky adorable INTP is that everyone gets freaked out when you do show a little bit of emotion and even more when you don't show emotions when others would. The moment you stop being happy or complacent no one wants to be around you.
Haha, I know what you mean. I have the reputation for being very patient, but once time my brother did something I absolutely would not put up with and I went all Indignant Big Sister on him on the phone and when I hung up my friend were staring at me with their mouths open. Kind of fun to take people by surprise sometimes. They were like, "Wow, I better not do anything to tick you off." lol
A few years ago I laughed at a joke in my class ,and the person in the sitting next to me was like ,you’re smiling?!something along the lines of that.(it takes a lot for me to laugh at someone’s joke,naturally)
I act a bit opposite haha
I usually make sure not to show anything, i only react slowly and make sure to be mild with my responses. If I know something but I am too lazy to do it, I’ll say I forgot to do it. So you can see when I accidentally snap, people get shocked. I remember something? Achievement! 💀
Intps can be lovably awkward. I think a good way to describe us is awkward lone wolves. We are very passionate, its just a good number of us suppress that and focus on Ti. The rest may try to please everyone. Life can be more fulfilling if you accept the risk and let go of the immense imagination you have and the need or guilt for everyone else to be happy. Just let things happen and be aware. Use your Ti and Ne to bolster your weak functions and make plans, catalog the world. It helps it feels more fulfilling
I always felt like a lone wolf. I even got a nice, big wolf tattoo bc of that. And because wolf's are really family guys and protective.
No matter what we know we can achieve, what we really want can’t be achieved. Not now at least. We need an INTP public center. It will have a lot of small rooms with beds, computer desks, and chalk boards. Maybe let some hot enfj to play with.
i love this
let's do it
Joe mama doing it is the hard part 😪
The perpetual pursuit of the unattainable. So true.
Really I want INTPT society where I can live peacefully
As an INTP, I loved everything about this. Such an accurate representation of who we are (and who we can become). The thing that hit closest to home was the part at the end about reclusiveness and avoiding situations where we aren't in the driver's seat. I'm finding myself falling into that trap of choosing what's comfortable and easy rather than what encourages growth and progress. Do you have any advice on pragmatic ways that someone could try to alter this behaviour and start "letting life push them around?"
The easiest way is to make use of friends or just befriend new people and go out with them. It’s amazing the hilarious and sometimes dangerous situations you can get into when you have lots of extraverted friends you can interact with! ~ Nathan
Hang out with an ESTP. Seriously.
@@heatherbryant4197 I'm an INTP, best friend is an ESTP. Can confirm.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo That's scary...YT becoming mr krabs
Plan a 2+ week trip doing something you have an interest in. They say it takes 2 weeks to form a habit, so immerse yourself in a completely different way of life.
Have a friend in a different country? Ask if you can visit for an extended period of time. Don't do touristy stuff. You will learn more, and have better memories if you live like the locals.
Is there an activity that you're interested in, but have no experience doing it? Jump in the deep end, and figure things out after. I never knew how to sail. So I joined a crew going from Florida to Michigan. It started out scary. I questioned what the hell I was doing for a few days on the boat, but I couldn't run away back home to safety. I had invested time and money. Then my normal habits began to disappear. I met a lot of interesting people. I began learning more than I thought I would, and became a vital member of that crew.
I’m an INTP female and I have been in this paradox my whole life, I don’t want to socialise and just want the whole world to leave me alone yet I yearn to be around people. But I’d prefer to yearn alone and then be with someone. I feel like my dark side grows larger as I get older and there is nothing I can do about it. Now that I think back to all my interactions with other people I realise that a lot of the difficulty stems from the fact that no one accepted me for what I was, I always was and still continuously am pressured to be a certain way, made to feel like I’m dysfunctional, like there is something wrong with me. Am pressured to be more social, to be more of a people pleaser, to care more about people, to be a wife or partner, to have more children. I have 2 daughters and I always wonder how on earth I pulled that off. Honestly my dream is to live on my own in either a sky high apartment where I can watch the sun set everyday and watch all the people below get long with their lives, or on my own in a cabin in the middle of nowhere away from everyone. I am not depressed and I dont hate anyone, I just love being alone. The thought of being in a marriage is unbearable. I have ended friendships and isolated myself from relatives because they would not stop putting pressure on me to find a Lerner. I don’t need anyone else’s validation and I don’t want to serve anyone. Yet society looks down on me for being this way and it breaks my heart that I can’t be accepted for what I am. Funny thing is when SHTF I am usually one of the few or the only one there to help people. We are so misunderstood and the world is so harsh. Luckily my w daughters are ISTP and INFP so we get along well and there is a reasonable level of understanding between us. They too are very introverted and don’t want to socialise.
It is not our behavior that is the problem, but the reaction of others to it.
I want to "consume" everyone as they are. I always try to understand the other person and put myself in his place (Which does not always work, but at least I try, unlike the masses!).
I would like, in return, also be accepted as I am now times.
I don't understand why so many people really proactively refuse to do that, but demand every tolerance and acceptance for themselves. While they just mentally and verbally mow other people down....
I just hate people by now.
Used deepl translator
I have been the same way since childhood,the shy or quiet kid, with a close knit of friends,I can communicate to people I don’t know ,I talk about there interest’s ask about there day ,just because I need some social interaction or I’ll go crazy like any other human being ,but having a low threshold for how much socialising I can take in one day drains the fun out of it,I get angry and annoyed and the vail falls off
@Anna Elmo it really hit me when you said “Funny thing is when SHTF i am usually one of the few or the only one there to help people”
Because i remember when i went to a birthday gather from a guy I wanted to be friends with and it started raining heavy at night as i was on the way, but i still went there without a umbrella soaking wet. Some of his “close friends” didn’t even showed up.
Fast forwards some months later he didn’t even gave me a happy birthday on my day.
And i don’t even give that much importance to birthdays but when i realized it happened 2 years in a row i just stopped talking to him.
Dudette, embrace the dark. It won't hurt you in the end. There is no escape. Read up on your Jung. I was not a big fan of Jung until middle age, when I found that I could not escape the darkness, but it is only through the darkness that you can truly reach the light, or whatever is your destiny. Don't fear your destiny. Embrace it, and keep going. Life is movement and change.🔀🔁🔂♾
I’m an INTP-T with diagnosed Major Depressive Disorder.
My life feels like an absolute shit show to me.
I had this entire paragraph written explaining it but I’m an INTP so I thought ‘what’s the point?’ Most of y’all should understand without an explanation.
Fellow INTP-T here.
Medium depression, though.
I know the feels.
Madao we got this, just gotta keep truckin
HAVE I FOUND MY TWIN 🤧
Same
yeah
I never really comment on videos, but I feel like I have to on this. I recently took a personality test out of sheer curiosity and found out I am an INTP. My entire life I have felt like I am extremely different than like 95% of people but I have never been able to understand why. I found this video after looking up "INTP"...and about halfway through it tears started streaming down my face. This is weird for me because I havent cried in years, but for the first time in my life I feel like someone actually understands me for who I am. Thank you for taking the time to make this. - Noah
Glad I'm not the only one.
Same.
That people don't normally behave logically was a huge break through for me. Thank you.
"Getting out there and letting life push you around..." Me [Instinctively]: Euueeekkk!
It's scary indeed! ~ Nathan
Yeah, yikes! 🤣🤣🤣
"People are disproportionately driven by emotions and irrational impulses." Yes, indeed they are, and they should stop that. Or, if they can't stop that, they should just let me make all the decisions, since I'm clearly better at it. Duh.
Haha! Brilliant ~ Nathan
Better at decisions? The liquid you spilled on your keyboard while playing a city or planet building game for 12 hours straight while eating food cold out of a can if you ate at all, ignoring friends, family, loved ones to the point of alienation, exploding and saying cruel things when one of them comes over to check on you, neglecting hygiene in favor of 14 hour naps and the same dirty shirt for days at time, eschewing human connection out of fear, annoyance and childish irrational insecurity coupled with poor emotional management while bizarrely clinging to a sense of superiority from the dank, dark confines of a filthy, empty, palpably sad bedroom that reeks of stale coffee, weed and apathy….beg to differ.
@@lloydtxw This is just mental illness that you're describing, not all INTP's are this way. Sure, many are prone to being this way (you'd know if you watched the video) but it doesn't stop us from putting logic over emotions and being able to see a situation from many different perspectives. We see a lot of the outcomes and consequences of a decision before its made, more than the average person driven by irrationality and emotions.
Honestly that last bit was so true - I recommend that you find yourself a nice introvert who will make you do stuff with them. I say introvert bc most extroverts are so energetic it becomes irritating. Most people are bound to be more outgoing than me even if they are introverts.
So, get a few people to adopt you and drag you into stuff and keep an open mind about it. I'm (slowly) learning to and it's great fun.
I’m glad you found the video accurate! ~Nathan
Hello 👋 INTP-T here. All this makes so much sense. We over analyze things so much that we sometimes ignore ourselves and don’t improve our lives even though we have the brain power to do so much with it, at least for me.
Currently working on improving myself.
@@chelleybeans1283 Working on this myself, I think. Any progress after a year?
@@Demention94 yes I’ve had some progress thankfully! I have a lot of friends who are feelers who I’ve learned from. Although I still don’t feel many emotions I know how to at least react to things in a better way that doesn’t make me seem cold hearted. Hope you’ve made some progress too.
I quite like INTPs. They're great when they open up. Dark side? I knew an INTP who NEVER left the house. sponged off his dad (at the time he was 27) and watched video games all day for years (probably still does). The saddest part was that he was smart, even good looking, but just gave up on life. He also grew obese because food became his comfort food. I guess all types can take a dive. Sad man! All types still need to remain accountable always. Can't blame everything on everyone else. It is a recipe for disaster.
Oh man, that's definitely an INTPs who's gone bad.
it maybe cuz im an intp but like he chose todo that so clearly it made him happy so i see nothing wrong w that not like it hurt anyone
@@imtired5787 Nothing wrong with INTP. But this young man hurt everyone in his path. He felt entitled and everyone had to tiptoe around him while he made no effort to make his own way in life. It hurt his family and destroyed lives. Now he happened to be an INTP. Hitler was apparently an INFJ. Other types have their dark side too. This in no way reflects INTPs in general. But yes. This man destroyed people with his manipulation in order to sit and have everyone cater to him. Everything wrong with that.
@@redskyalice2529 Classic Puer aeternus. We all have it in us. That's the Si child version of it. It was predicted by Jung that this kind of phenomenon was to increase in our era. I am really not sure you can blame the guy for what developed for him. INTPs have no Se and seeks good Fe. They'll get dragged into whatever Se forces whilst being oblivious to it.
You seem very quick to put blame on the one guy that sticks out but I bet you his family and surrounding share the essence of his dysfonction as well.
Your invoking Hitler as the bad boogie man is the same normie simplistic interpretation.
Sad he is eating bad food, physical unhealth is really hard and terrifying.
@@jonathanreave8558 Nothing simplistic and yes he had a crap upbringing. A lot of people did. But hey you didnt know the guy. PLEASE do not see this as representative of INTP. One of my best friends is INTP. Hitler was mentioned to illustrate that every type can go "bad". MBTI shows the cognitive functions we use, but our thoughts are up to us. Each and everyone MUST ALWAYS HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE (not shouting, just illustrating importance). My son has Si child (INFP). He goes the other way though. Always exercising. Listen, we can all be balanced or unbalanced. EVERY TYPE (hence the Hitler illustration) can turn their thought to evil. We simply all have to remain accountable always. Blaming life on others keeps us in victim status. Do you think I've lived a "privileged" life? No! I could genuinely blame everything down to my car being stolen so I was out of work for awhile etc. etc. But being sorry for ourselves and think the world owes us something is so very dangerous. It will ultimately lead to death (if not spiritually, then physically eventually). EVERYONE has been given at least some kind of opportunity in life (maybe not much but still). This guy had it all. Looks, brains, everything. But he focused on his upbringing and decided to take everyone else for a ride because of it. But thanks for your response. At least we're dealing with real issues, particularly in this day and age. Best
Not gonna lie, when I get bored, it's either I study or I question my very existence(which is usually what I do) and it kind of leads me to feeling inferior, and I lose all motivation to study, and I become very insecure and start questioning my knowledge, which to be honest, will get my engines working and motivating me to study. I mean that's just me, and that's how I help myself. Another way I help myself is isolating myself from people and not talking to them for a week or 2. Is that normal for intp's? Or is there something I need to change with how I help myself?
The most fun way I help myself is going to Google and researching about random shit or watching long ass documentaries.
OMG that's exactly what I do when ever I'm frustrated, I isolate my self and start reading books or searching random subjects just any thing to get some knowledge
@@shimaabdallah6784 yes sameeee
😂 "Researching random shit and watching long ass documentaries". This is me. Sci-fi movies no longer cut it because I made the mistake of studying Engineering at university. Now, instead of suspending belief during movies, I find myself questioning everything. Now I'm stuck with long ass documentaries.
@@shimaabdallah6784 @HermioneGranger. That's exactly what i do too ! Did you guys ever heard about enneagramm ? That's a well known defense mechanism of type 5. Since they feel like they're ''empty'' they start panicking and try to compulsively feed themselves with lot informations to feel safe and secure again.
PS : I don't even know if i said it correctly since my English is kinda bad and it's already been months but anyway :3 i really think it could be usefull.
-A fellow intp-
You just explained my whole self!! I do that too. I have a big problem with nihilism and sometimes I find myself sitting on my chair thinking about if life has any sense.
The third part is so helpful. I find myself stagnating for years on end where I would just scheme, daydream about scenarios, overthink, and question everything until my energy is too depleted to actually act on any of my ideas as I watch the lives of others unfold eventfully while I am looking at memes in my room. Meditation, therapy, chance meetings and studying myers brigs has made me realize that especially for my type, inaction and over-thinking is a dangerous drug. When I find myself in such a rut I just start doing anything that leaves an impact that is external to me instead of circles in my head-- like painting or meeting friends-- and I try to harness that inertia.
Agreed. I tell myself, "Nothing good will happen unless you make it happen." And, usually, for good things to happen you have to get other people involved. Other people provide you with a reason to get over inertia and discover you actually have a lot more energy than you thought. Even an interesting, philosophical conversation with a cashier can bring a spark alight. Or if you say something that cheers someone else up. You realize that you can use your intelligence for good, that you actually have the power to bring warmth and ideas and energy to the world, and it's a very good feeling. :)
INTP here, excellent video. I can definitely see myself doing a few of these things when I'm really frustrated.
Like, I'm well aware that emotions, rather than logic, influence decision-making for most people. But it still gets to me when I can't convince a friend of mine that they're making a bad decision by proving it logically. Then they make that decision anyways and almost exactly what I could happen, happens. Afterwards, they start acting like they have no idea what went wrong. Like, I explained this exact thing to you last week, hello?? So frustrating lol
Hahaha! Yes, I teach my mom how to turn the TV on every weekend. I even downloaded an app on her phone where she taps twice and scrolls for things. She still doesn’t understand how to do it ;-(
I had to accept, years ago, that I shouldn’t try to solve people’s problems unless they explicitly ask me to. Don’t get involved, and then you don’t get frustrated. Just smile and nod as they tell you all about their problems, and roll your eyes as they continue to do stupid shit. Otherwise, if you really must intervene, do it the Aristotelian way by asking them questions about the situation that lead them to conclude to your argument themselves.
Or they resent you for predicting things and start acting like you're the bad guy.
I hate micro management. Give no room to allow me to think for myself
As an INTP what’s most curious to me is that I can experience intense emotional volatility yet if I don’t speak of it those closest to me would never know by my behavior. It’s an isolating experience and since being diagnosed with major depression I have worked on sharing my internal struggle, though most still do not understand the peculiarities of being a depressed INTP. My ESFJ best friend (odd pair lol) doesn’t get it, but he tries and genuinely has my back. That’s worth more than my younger self assumed. Sometimes being seen is the closest we’ll get to understood.
There's no darkside here. Just day to day happenings.
Well the types doesnt truly define us, they just show a part of us. Sometimes im INTP, INFP or ISFP (most of the time im INTP tho)
“What happens when an INTP goes to the dark side?” INTPs: *goes home, leaves everyone alone*
As an intp I agree but at least for me, it’s less people acting “logical” but more about what’s the person’s values and actual beliefs. I’ve learned to enjoy the humor of people who are afraid to think or feel their way to knowing what they believe.
What you said about the inferior functions and not having a balanced approach to the world really stuck with me bc as an INFP, I have all these ideas and projects that I do haphazardly... I'll do some work for a day or if I'm lucky, a few days then not touch it for months and complain about how I'm not doing anything about it while not doing anything about it... I'm still working on implementing habits and being productive...
Hahaha! Me too. Unfortunately like ghosts, they haunt you. It’s very hard to work linearly if you have Ne.
Ne Dom here. I wrote my goals down in a journal/planner and also anticipated common excuses not to do my work and answers to them, as well as breaking down my plans of action so as not to get decision fatigue. I even wrote a page about what was holding me back psychologically, and then figured out some solutions for those. It definitely helps keep me accountable, and I realized something major about myself that was making studying/life harder than it needed to be, which was that I wasn’t learning from my failures (I.e., shitty Si).
You’ve got better Si than I have so your planner/journal will probably be cooler than mine. 😉
@@seventhsheaven yeesss I have a bullet journal and made it look so pretty.. I'm starting to check things off finally after a whole year has gone by... I'll work on consistency now 🤗
@@seventhsheaven thanks 🥺
@@khadhija7 I have a bullet journal too but the problem is being consistent with it. Making it look pretty would be fun but just add to my perfectionism and hinder the outcome of the purpose for it. Consistent effort in focused areas has always been a problem with my studying and intellectual pursuits. I tend to want to branch out too much because it's more fun. But in my relationships I'm not like that. I always need to narrow down my contacts to be able to spend the most time with the people who are the most significant to me. Which is why I amass online friend requests from strangers and I generally ignore them unless there is definitely a lot of common ground.
Hi Nathan - I am married to an INTP. She spends a lot of her time frustrated and angry. Not so much with people (Although sometimes with people), but more often with the world. That the things she wants to achieve don't fit in with her disjointed way of managing tasks and organising her time. I think this would be a great topic for an INTP video, how they can manage their anger and make their piece with a world that won't adjust to their fast moving mind.
As an INTP I tend to find that when I ever feel like causing chaos, or want to break apart a friend group of people who annoy me and act ridiculously emotional and irrational, its really easy, their friendships always seem so fragile and balancing on a thread.
My friends find me creepy when playing games because I “learn like a computer” .
They say that I get better with ever game and eventually beat them going from losing every time to winning every time within 5 or 6 games.
So I never really care for the losses because I know that learned about their playing style. My brain maps their way automatically. I know that I will put smart then eventually so I often don’t mind losing the first few rounds.
I love myself, I born like this, and I'm tired of ppl saying "you r just trying to be weard" you are the stereotype of "I'm not like other girls"
Since I know of my own existence, I suffer bullying. how do you want me to not be proud of who I am, if people constantly try to bring me down.
You've got a fascinating way of describing the cognitive functions. I tend to describe the personality types in a very behavior oriented / sociological way, but can sometimes be awefully vague on how functions express themselves.
I'd be really interested to hear you talk more in depth about what you observe on the topic of functions, your Ni attention details is an excellent food for my Ne holistic vision.
I do worry often that my way of viewing them is too individual to me and isn't useful to other people (or could simply be totally wrong). I try my best to make sure it matches with the observations I have about people in practice. I think I'll add your suggestions to the list of future video ideas. Thank you! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho So far your descriptions of the cognitive function seem to reflect the type's behaviors very well, like what they conceptually should. I at least see very little personal bias with your view, and besides, the cognitive functions are so often misunderstood or neglected, with a wrong focus on the "letters" that make up the type, that I welcome any attempt from someone like you to remove confusion.
"everybody's favourite"
*Sigh* Oh well...
I am " everyone's " favourite when i flutter about like a social butterfly. But when i show them my introverted side--it is just too much for 'em to handle.
fun fact: whenever im quiet ppl just assume that im mad, and i find it amusing how ppl with poor cognitive functions thinks that they're sensible people pfft. (If i were to explain myself to 'em, they would think im lying. so why not just have some fun and play a long?)
Finally i found a person in my situation, i used to pretend that im feeling more than im actually are, showing my emotions and all (just the fun ones) and when i tried show the other part of me they ALWAYS says "im not gonna talk to you bc you're mad right now" "are u mad?" "You are boring" the last is bc i used to laugh of silly things, and when i don't this happens, urgh
"When I'm silent they assume that I'm angry". Damn that true, i mean i just want to shut my mouth! Why you assume i got angry, idk man
It really hit me the thing about being outsmarted, as a woman, if someone tells me I'm ugly or fat, my response is, meh whatever, but if someone insults my intellect, dear lord, I immediately lost any respect for that person and l put them in my blacklist
Welp a saying that worked for me is "The universe is too big too care about you, so may as well calm down and eat a cookie and get on with your day"
Love that! ~ Nathan
Food for thought video! Caused me to reflect: an INTP attorney for example may understand alternate theories and method to prevail but find the outcome offends ever-shifting public conscience or serves only personal gain. For that matter, all types need their own check and balance.
for an INTP, you’re too good at explaining in full sentences and putting what you thinks into meaningful words, something i could never do
I can’t imagine what you said about yielding to conformity, ever.
Agreed, INTPs would have to go very downhill to end up at that point ~ Nathan
As a child/young adult, I rushed to conformity because I felt that I was not likable as me, and I regretted every minute of it. I really struggled with self worth for the longest time. Maturity and acknowledging my gifts have really helped me find my place in the human world (even though I hate I have to be part of it).
As an INTP who struggled through severe clinical depression and bipolar disorder for a good chunk of my late teens and early adulthood, I did experience the complete loss of reality. I couldn't fathom if I was alive or dead. I was in a horrendous dark place that made me incredibly conscious and yet kept loosing every bit of it(consciousness) with each passing moment. A paradox in itself.. yes.
It was like that nightmare, where you're falling down into nothingness, except that it continued.. to what seemed like a forever.
"Everybody's favorite, lovable, homebody geniuses"
*well considering one of the most popular and fangirled over character is an intp i don't think he's wrong*
Glad you agree! Btw which character is that? ~ Nathan
@@lovewho I think Hermione.
@@that_dam_baka It's Sherlock
@@RinaDreftscott I could've sworn it's Hermione. I guess I'll look up Sherlock.
I'm an ENFP.. And I love you guys ... Honestly never EVER change.. You're unique and you have so much about you most people never see x you're always the most interesting person in the whole room x
Another ENFP wrote here: Be yourself . I my personal opinion it is correct for ENFPs, I like you really much. But in my opinion it is not good to be seen as an INTP, like for an INFJ.
Our TI can be extremely harsh, to the outside and much more to the inside, I have to be very cautious to let it to the outer world. I try to take some of the ISTP and EsTP attitudes, to mild the TI and to get more SE , and it helps me a lot in my life.
Am I the only INTP here who always cares about emotions? I am good at both science and psychology, and I understand people pretty well, although I tend to understand people in the logical way.
I feel extremely sad at the loss of family and friends, and can be in pretty long relationships, even though I always prioritize logic over emotions. I often think of the logically best way to improve emotional things.
Once, when asked in an interview, I was asked both, "what is your greatest strength and weakness... I said "my perfectionism" it is truly a value and character flaw. I personally admire the intellectual superiority - even when its casted by shadows of making others feel stupid. The truth is, for the most part e/intps in my life are always valid, and because I dont have low self esteem, I can laugh and agree. I feel like the point blank bluntness is refreshing. An intj or istj on the other hand, in my life ..have razor sharp tongues that can hurt, and not always with the same validity, that combined with further stubbornness of how accurate and correct they are, gives a different flavor. As for isolation, I can resonate with that, my Ni can keep me locked indoors and away from the world for extended periods of time. Happily. But i believe the isolation comes from a different place then intps ...Good video Nathan. As always.
Agree miss Chantel!!
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson how have you been !? --- I personally have a hard time with being asked that question, it feels too surface. But alas...I hope you've been well.xx
Very interesting! I’m an ENTP who looks very much like an INTP on a superficial level (Introverted, quiet) but it was interesting to see each type’s inner conflict broken down. Behind the squishy exterior, there can lie a real disdain for the emotive, and that’s a huge oversight. What I would say to INTPs is, don’t underestimate the feelers and sensors. Figure out what they want and how that could affect you and your plans. Show them the face they want to see.
Now I need to get back to trying not to underestimate the details and succumb to hypochondria.
As an intp, sensors are fine, we need some people to keep us from going too wild. Hell, istps technically are as logical as us so respect on that front. Feelers are little bitches though.
@@bonogiamboni4830 yes my dad in an ISTP and he is very logical and so intelligent. Not all sensors are dumb as some people say. I know a lot of intuitives who would seem so stupid compared to him.
@@Ignasimp funny, my dad is also an istp and while he isn't a doctor or anything, he kinda has that intp quality of knowing a little bit of everything, except in his case it's through experience and it's mostly useful stuff like geography or fixing things, while i learn by watching videos on youtube. And then there's my esfj mom, who is just happy to be alomg for the ride.
@@bonogiamboni4830 my dad studied geography XD and is a high school history teacher and school director.
He has an understanding of todays politics in a global way that most people can't even start to grasp.
He is also very proficient with manual stuff.
@@Ignasimp Keyword: "seem"
INTPs be like:
"I hate myself"- 100% accurate
"I'm perfect"- 100% accurate
As an INTP with mental health issues I have had to examine the ever confusing world of feelings quite a lot these past couple of years. The bright side is that it is giving me a greater appreciation for people who are not entirely logical, because although my thoughts are ruled by logic it seems my emotions actively repel logic. They make an effort to stare my thoughts in the face and say 'yeah, nah'
I'm an INTP also & I feel the same way
If you look at it as being "outsmarted" your perception of smartness is the egos game, if thats the paradigm then ideas, theroies and conversations is not about representing reality the most accurate but about attaching your ego to BEING the one representing reality the most accurate.
If you wanna take "smartness" to its peak then this game of egos is essential to lay of.
Now I know why I'd rather fight with my fist rather although I'm basically a walking uncooked spaghetti than yelling at each other, I'm too afraid I would lose in battle of wits.
Also, the idea of life pushes me around is scary.
Very impressive video again, you are my fav when it comes to MBTI videos. I especially liked the quick and concrete examples of the tug of war between some types' higher and lower functions.
I'm an INTP and especially liked your take on what Fe entails, "tailoring your message to suit an audience" really struck a chord with me because I realized it's something I purposely try not to do because I view it as dishonesty to myself (My own Ti?), which I put more value in that tailoring the message, while paradoxically tailoring it will probably yield "better" results in the sense that what I'm trying to say actually gets conveyed. I think it's cause my sense of what's "better" is closer to being a living representation of my internal framework I created to view the world, instead of being someone's teacher in a direct way, I hope to inspire more than teach.
MrUbister thank you, that’s great to hear!
Even if someone could outsmart me in a private setting, I would act out. I can take many insults but though I don’t show it, if my intelligence is insulted, I’d admit myself into a psych ward.
Nice thumbnail, Nathan! It really catches the eye.
Thanks! I was concerned that the black background wouldn’t work. ~ Nathan
INTP's get ridgid when they decide to run their life off of an Algorythm and disguard other factors and ways of learning in the external world. It can get as bad and flawed as Google or Facebook Machine Learning. INTP's fall into the cycle of going extreme on a rule or principle and then they have to accept some parts of their algorythm are wrong, need to be changed or scaled back a bit in the next update to keep improving.
Naturenerd1000 excellent comment!
But that's why we're truth seekers and don't pretend to be omniscient. I know most of us already know that. And we put our time into learning concepts, not tiny factual details, which can make us look like we aren't that smart because we haven't gone out of our way to memorise these things unless they will be of use to us in testing our hypotheses. We can have a broad encyclopaedic knowledge but that doesn't count for anything in my opinion. It's the insights and connections that we form with our knowledge that make us smart.
I’m ISTP. I feel like this video is meant for me too. I’m not intellectually superior, but I do unfortunately make people feel stupid when I get angry with them. I’m working on that stupid habit I have. Yes. Agreed. We are emotional creatures. For example I may not cry when I’m stressed, but I’ll overeat. I may not have confronted my former boss, who I thought was the personification of evil. I’d do whatever she asked of me, no matter how it angered me( because I don’t let emotions get in the way) , However, I’ll feel physically sick on the last day I am allowed to resign. All of a sudden I have a panic attack and I turn in my resignation 5 minutes before the deadline and completely ghost her. I didn’t even plan on resigning. It just happened. A huge weight lifted off my shoulders as soon as I pressed “enter”. I had no idea how miserable I was until I left that place of employment.
sciencelabvideos L fascinating, you resonating with this video would make sense since the shared top and bottom functions of Ti and Fe! Great comment, thank you!
having BPD and being an INTP is even more wild yet i don't see that being talked about even though i've met a huge portion of INTP people that have BPD aside from myself
(INFP) I resented every millisecond of sound positivity you had there for Se, that most sordid, destructive and reckless of functions. X)
Noted! ~ Nathan
As an INTP who juggles between her INFP and ENFJ persona ( a facade for fitting in and pleasing people around), I find it extremely hard to be consistent with my real feelings towards others. It bothers me how easily I can be pleased and displeased and I tend to completely shut off all my emotions when dealing with new people as I don't want to get abandoned after getting attached. I love being genuine but I can't afford that for my own sake. Often times, the few people you want to be close to either exploit you or take you from granted. It further pulls you inside a shell. You try to be logical and not get feelings involved, but that inner sensitive child in you desperately wants someone to magically understand your situation without you having to ask for it.
It's as if you live your best life inside your head. Reality is very different.
"Homebody Geniuses" ...#nailedit
Amen! ~ Nathan
for me the Master of Manipulations (emotions & mind) brining somebody to our own World.
It's very funny, because being a brain bully in my early teen years led to a complete breakdown and restructuring of how I present myself to the world, and now my problem is in the opposite direction, with an uncontrolled feel impacting my ability to think and analyse. Fun times
May I please request some more ENTJ videos? I love your insights and would like to get more info from you about my type. Please and thank you in advance.
As we learn from eg. Zen, the world would be a much better place if we all learned to control / modulate our emotions.
Sure, emotions have their purpose and shouldn't be repressed. But they shouldn't be given more attention than they deserve either... and they surely get way, way too much attention in the 21st century West!
If you think zen has anything to do with controlling your emotions, you are largely mistaken my friend.
"...they become ungrounded, and float up into dreamland..."
Thank you so much for your work.
I've been trying to describe these issues in therapy, but they don't recognize or relate to this sort of experience. However, this is exactly it!
Brilliant insights, friend.
ENFP here: I just met an INTP on Tinder... we spoke for almost a week, everyday, and it was really really nice conversation! I was asking a lot of questions and sending pretty decent length replies and the responses seemed fine, there was follow-through and questions. There was even some nice compliments from them. I started to have hope that we'd meet, perhaps even develop something special, they're moving to my city for their studies. With no warning the INTP just stopped talking. Disappeared...
It's been 5 days...
Any update?
U M or F?
Probably because he over analysed ur replies and came to conclusion that u aren't good for him.
@@07ujjwalraj70 He's gay probably.....
As an INTP, i agree, i've been through many of the things you have mentioned, and getting out of it (some of them) took myself to fight with my own beliefs, basically you have to "figure it out yourself". But i don't mean isolation, i needed to observe positivity to relearn how to be happy. i forgot that i could also be wrong at times and would go into self doubt whenever i would be wrong. i thought i wasn't good enough, thus my self esteem became lower too. It's extremely difficult to leave the dark side of INTP but we gotta keep fighting....
May I also request a video where you explain the Cognitive functions. What they are and how they manifest in different positions. I think we could all benefit from additional knowledge about the functions. Thank you.
Ok that’s a great idea, I’ll add that to the list! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Awesome! Thanks for replying. Something else about the cognitive functions. What might be helpful with understanding them deeper is the knowledge of the positions themselves (regardless of what function appears there) and what they mean i.e.the 1st - 8th positions in the stack. I have seen some MBTI schools refer to each position with names like the 1st being your hero function, the 6th as your critic function, demon function, etc. You previously referred to the 7th position of my type, the ENTJ as "SI *polar*(sic?)" in your ENTJ video. That was new terminology for me but I understood what you were referring to - Si and where it appeared in the stack. I think this would really help with understanding our types from a CF POV and also the other types. I've been looking for a video or article like that and I've been working on learning more so one day I could present this information but you are light years ahead of me in MBTI knowledge, you have a keen understanding of the types and present your knowledge in a cerebral way that I really find insightful. I think you will do it justice. Thanks again.
I too am very interested to learn more on this subject. I just don't have the inclination to do my own research.
A spoon feeding would be greatly appreciated.
I constantly struggled for years now with the temptations of this dark side, the only safeguard I have is my personally higher level of agreeability - which I absolutely hate and view socially and professionally as a handicap or a weakness btw. But it's great to hear someone discuss the struggle of the dark side I experience 24/7, thank you \m/
That's why I hate being in my situation, caught up on a journey that feels like I'm going nowhere. I'm officially a recluse, which is not my true nature...but is this way because of where I am in life. This dream feels more like a nightmare & is being used to keep me polarized. It has literally been suffocating my personal development. But I can't change it right now so I guess it's the sacrifice I make for now, but something has to give asap. Plus, b/c of this plus some really other horrible things that occured on this journey has totally made me unmotivated. What was once interesting feels like a drag.
Here during the quarantine and man Im new to understanding my personality type. It’s like I’ve lived a lie my whole life up until a couple months ago lmao. For the majority of my life I thought introversion was a curse, and I tried so hard to learn the extroverted ways. As soon as I developed social skills I said fuck staying at Home, but thanks to a philosophy class I was able to somewhat connect back to my roots. On a mission for some intellectual crumbs 😭
I dated an INTP male for two months, I asked for exclusivity. He dropped an open relationship bomb on me and I had to deal with it. He knew I was looking for a serious relationship. I left his ass. Pretty insensitive and manipulative.
I went dark, and I felt like a sociopath sometimes
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I go from bloomer to mass shooter a few times a week
So, "get out more", basically... Yeah i'm trying... Kinds sucks that i also have insomnia, and live in a town with almost zero places to hang out, and almost zero places to engage in my hobbies.
A bit isolating, but i'm making an effort to fight that isolation, which i assume is the entire point. :)
"Everybody's favorite" what? I've been living with the wrong people *gets to the brain bully part* Ohhh!...
"Brain Bully" reminds me on a seminar I was in. The mentor told us about a former group that had a person that showed sociopathic behaviour and how this was a terrible experience for those who taught the seminar and for some participants who got manipulated and destroyed. One of my colleagues is an ISTP and we looked at each other with an evil expression and agreed that we certainly would have a lot of fun with such a person. I often sense this desire to use my brain to destroy someone but almost never do it these days. However, I do remember the Sin City scene where Marv kills the hitmen who try to get him: "I love hitmen. No matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad." If you deal with a Narcissist or Sociopath, it's the same, you don't have to feel bad using your brain as a weapon.