I can relate, as a child I never tell my parents whenever I want something (usually toys) because I'll feel guilty if they spend for my wants even though it was hard for them to earn money.
omg ikr I mean I want a lot of things that my parents can afford but it take me 3 weeks to mentally prepare for telling them and when I do it's straightforward and they give an answer without thinking which makes me relieved and a bit upset but mostly relieved.
im actually worse i cant even imagine asking my parents for something Iike toys. I would get nervous asking my parents if i could take an icicle in the fridge.
"What do you want (to be, to do, to eat, etc)?" (Ni) and "How do you feel?" (Fi) are the hardest things for us INTPs to figure out... This was the best explanation of demon Fi I've heard so far. I totally relate. I have a lot of endurance/resilience from child-Si, but if you push me past my limit or invade my boundaries too much, then I blurt out how I really feel (or just throw my hands up and walk away). :) When I thought I was INFJ in the past (from old 4-letter MBTI tests), this seemed a lot like the "INFJ door slam".
Shadow Ni and spending money is a real pain. In my case it’s so hard that when I’m left to my own devices or leave alone, I won’t even buy myself varied food or get a coffee/icecream/treat every now and then. It’s always like “I’m already eating what I need to function and stay relatively healthy, everything else is… unnecessary?” Similarly, the first time I bought myself (as a child, with allowance money) a Lego that I wanted I smuggled it into the house; for some reason I felt guilty. It’s been like that ever since. My sister (an ENFP) can’t wait to show you the new cool thing she indulged herself with. Meanwhile, I’m always embarrassed when people spot a new piece of clothing, accessory, gadget…
Typical INTP ending... making excuses to leave and end the video 😆 It’s an observation I make that INTPs usually have a reason for “leaving”. But I love your style of videos and the way you articulate in sharing information. It’s to the point and relatable... even for a non-INTP like myself. 😊
His room is indicative of the mind living in that space, my room has an eerily similar vibe. Attempts at designing my room and building my own furniture that is half complete because I finished building it in my head, but will do it later type vibes.
I hate depending on anyone. Felt guilty about my parents spending their money on college to the point where I applied to become a resident director of a dorm to get free room and board. Of course, I was a disaster at it--probably the worst they ever had--totally unsuited by both immaturity and inappropriate personality type--and was fired at the end of the year. But I saved my parents money.
This is therapeutic for me. I needed to hear some of these things. I never asked my parents for things because I saw how my mother was struggling and did not want to put stress on her. However my siblings seemed to nag for things. I can definitely relate to depriving yourself of things and being a minimalist. I have a big problem with asking people for help. Dont know if it is an INTP thing. My desire to learn is crazy, just learnt electronic music production, created a piece of commercial music, then I will be into 6 other courses that I bought. Studying is my favourite activity in the world. I was a terrible learner driver, was hard. Cold and distant I can relate to aswell. When I finally had enough of my ex cheating for the how manyeth time, I didn't even confront him, I just became cold and distant, I was done.
Great explanation. ENTJ here, always felt a little confusing how the shadow functions work, and also was somewhat curious on how INTPs use them since we have opposite functions. Really enjoyed your way to explain, its clear and objective. Thanks (:
CS Joseph suggests that 4th Function is the 'gateway' to the shadow/unconscious, so I think it makes sense that these are all tied to Fe in a way. Many of these behaviours arise in the context of interacting with others (Fe).
i don't think my lack of motivation comes from an inferior function, it stems from using ti hero to set up logic based mental maps in search of truth. because truth is more important than anything else to me, things that motivate other people (like money, career, relationships, or affirmation) all fall to the wayside such that i appear to lack motivation. they were motivating when i was younger because my understanding of those concepts and of myself wasn't as complete as it is now, but now that i've squeezed as much truth as i can from those fields they no longer interest me. it can be nice to have someone you respect affirm your ideas by agreeing as further confirmation, but once you've established a habit of consistently thinking logically there comes a point where you truly understand something and just know it to be the truth. like how 1+1=2 is undeniable, you don't need someone else's opinion to know that it is true. it's an incredible satisfying feeling to unravel a previously unfamiliar complicated concept and reframe it in your mind such that everything fits together perfectly, not only with the elements of that particular concept but also within the larger framework of how you perceive reality in general. the more rational your perception is, the more rational it becomes. intps are just lucky to start further ahead in the way they perceive. it sounds arrogant, but life for me has become a rolling snowball of ever increasing understanding and i'm loving it, despite my family thinking i'm a weird "unmotivated" recluse for just sitting around researching things all day long.
About *Critical Parent* , it let me understood, why I always try to *looks-like-serve* people. Like in job, when something needs to be done, or I am not even adressed... Yet, I feel like fastest way to end topic in most efficient way is do it myself. 🤔 Or doing something, I ask others what needs in place I am going too, just in case... It looks like need for approval... But in same time, it is me trying to get most information and control over any aspect I am involved in. 🤔 Like it can take more time, but satisfaction over accomplishment seems bigger. 🤔
When in Fi demon mode, and I say things usually better left unsaid, I still mean them and never "take back what I said because I was angry." I might regret saying it, but won't rescind it. This has been a huge problem area when others use that excuse/logic for things said when angry. Why is it so hard for an INTP to "play the game" and apologize after a demonic episode?
Totally hear you... the things people say in anger usually reflect their unvarnished opinions, and while their delivery may be intentionally cruel they're actually very helpful insights if you're the kind of person who is unafraid to really look at yourself critically. I definitely find it hard to play the game, but I think it comes down to that old cardinal virtue of INTPs - we value truth above all else, so going along with Fe social games to make nice feels like I'm being dishonest.
Saving endlessly for basically nothing is my specialty. I always thought I have it from playing games where hoarding stuff is quite common... well... I think it's the other way around.
Excellent video! Very helpful (me INTP) seriously have problems asking for anything... TOTALLY can relate. Whereas both my brothers were extremely aggressive in that respect... 😂 in my view... Best description ever and yes, that’s me.... Love the monitor setup. Perfect. Just subscribed ❤️
Keep up the great work! Stumbled on your video, you probably have the best understanding of INTP'S relative to alternative channels here. My partner is an ISFP, your videos have helped a lot. Thank you - a fellow INTP
"If you get bored, you can skip around." INTP: No, I don't think I will. Seriously though, I'm getting confused and a little frustrated not knowing this FE, SI, stuff. Maybe I should get MBTI premium...
Just learned about the 16 personalities in Therapy after being in an emotional abusive relationship. Im an INTP and this stuff is so true its scary... Im at the mind-blown point that this stuff exists. Im just trying to absorb it all right now 🤯. You know what would be cool? If we made groups with each of the 16 personalities and played interesting games 🤔 maybe even a competitive thing like that show survivor. Hmmm 🤔 but being an INTP, this idea will sit comfortably in my head 😌😓
in the last few week ive been really stressed, and i started getting angr at everyone, being bossy and wanting to get everything done, i think i went shadow because im a really chill person but this got me on my nerves
That Ni critic is relatable. This week I was so afraid to ask my parent if I can have some bread. lol . My thinking was that I didn't deserve to ask them for bread.
I'm an INTP on the autism spectrum. When I took the Michael Caloz test the only thing abnormal about me was scoring Fi higher than Fe. Even so, my Ti and Ne were still the highest scores. Then again, I scored moderate to high in pretty much all the introverted functions while getting low scores on extroverted ones (except for Ne, that is).
I gotta say tghs, the way you record while showing in the monitor screen your "reflection" is more "accidental" and next time you see it," Huh.... I didn't know I can do this" and next thing "Why'd I did that that's so embarassing"
I went to high school without glasses because I had broken a few in elementary and middle school. I guess I thought it'd be worth it risk my future. I barely graduated high school and thought and still think that college would be wasted on me. I'm now a skilless 24 year with a 2 year gap without any plans to improve myself.
4:50 I just did that. Went into the mall to get some shoes and left like nah I’ll just save.. I feel like bad for spending money on what I want. I just want a skateboard for crying out loud
First a question - how many times can you see the computer screen in the computer screen in the computer screen ... :) This was really good, made a lot of sense. Thanks for editing it. It looked like you made a lot of them ;)
@@jbonceu2457 Im still not completely sure but I think it has to do with I'm an 5W4 INTP instead of a 5W6 (these two are usually the types that INTPs get on the ennegram test) and here are some comments that could help explaining the difference www.quora.com/Can-an-INTP-5w4-easily-be-mistyped-as-an-INFP so you maybe are the same btw you can take the ennegram test here: cloverleaf.me/enneagram
@@veruskatorres9276 thank you so much, I took the ennegram test and I am 5w4 lol😂. Now, I'm sure that I am an INTP I always doubt if I'm an Intp or Infp
Any form of agression really. Especially underserved. And the only thing compensating for that is Ti hero. The intp will need to think of the consequences if they fall to egoism and rage. Thats what calms us down.
Mainly constant critcism/hate on their inferior FE for example i used to have a "friend" that kept on bashing me on my social skills this got me furious after a while and all i can think about is what i want and i completelly stop caring about others i also start showing self destructive behavior and want to tear everything down i have provided them
I found out I have anxious attachment trauma and that makes me have some outbursts of emotions... and I also cry easily ... however i think I'm intp... but no one believes me... do you think it's possible? Since I found out all that explanation by myself and usually I tend to do find explanations and causes by logic and deduction ... Do you think I can be an intp with trauma? Or I'm being stupid ... Additional information: I decided to heal my anxiety in order to know who I really am... and I brainstormed all methods that I can try to achieve this.
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I can relate, as a child I never tell my parents whenever I want something (usually toys) because I'll feel guilty if they spend for my wants even though it was hard for them to earn money.
omg ikr I mean I want a lot of things that my parents can afford but it take me 3 weeks to mentally prepare for telling them and when I do it's straightforward and they give an answer without thinking which makes me relieved and a bit upset but mostly relieved.
@@qudsianajeeb5165 5:05 Well it's entirely reasonable to be paranoid because desi parents are harsh.
Same
im actually worse i cant even imagine asking my parents for something Iike toys. I would get nervous asking my parents if i could take an icicle in the fridge.
same over here!😳
oooh! Contrast between a healthy and unhealthy INTP would be a helpful video!
Please make this happen
Yess!
Yes
"What do you want (to be, to do, to eat, etc)?" (Ni) and "How do you feel?" (Fi) are the hardest things for us INTPs to figure out...
This was the best explanation of demon Fi I've heard so far. I totally relate. I have a lot of endurance/resilience from child-Si, but if you push me past my limit or invade my boundaries too much, then I blurt out how I really feel (or just throw my hands up and walk away). :)
When I thought I was INFJ in the past (from old 4-letter MBTI tests), this seemed a lot like the "INFJ door slam".
Same
Shadow Ni and spending money is a real pain. In my case it’s so hard that when I’m left to my own devices or leave alone, I won’t even buy myself varied food or get a coffee/icecream/treat every now and then. It’s always like “I’m already eating what I need to function and stay relatively healthy, everything else is… unnecessary?”
Similarly, the first time I bought myself (as a child, with allowance money) a Lego that I wanted I smuggled it into the house; for some reason I felt guilty. It’s been like that ever since. My sister (an ENFP) can’t wait to show you the new cool thing she indulged herself with. Meanwhile, I’m always embarrassed when people spot a new piece of clothing, accessory, gadget…
Typical INTP ending... making excuses to leave and end the video 😆 It’s an observation I make that INTPs usually have a reason for “leaving”. But I love your style of videos and the way you articulate in sharing information. It’s to the point and relatable... even for a non-INTP like myself. 😊
Like I literally have no reason to leave but I want to leave 🤣🤣
His room is indicative of the mind living in that space, my room has an eerily similar vibe. Attempts at designing my room and building my own furniture that is half complete because I finished building it in my head, but will do it later type vibes.
Lol I relate, I usually feel like I need a narrative for why I'm ending anything.
5:05 I definitely feel the same about asking people for things or just help in general if I think I can do it myself
So true. I can't ask for anything, not even my parents.😔
I hate depending on anyone. Felt guilty about my parents spending their money on college to the point where I applied to become a resident director of a dorm to get free room and board. Of course, I was a disaster at it--probably the worst they ever had--totally unsuited by both immaturity and inappropriate personality type--and was fired at the end of the year. But I saved my parents money.
This is therapeutic for me. I needed to hear some of these things. I never asked my parents for things because I saw how my mother was struggling and did not want to put stress on her. However my siblings seemed to nag for things. I can definitely relate to depriving yourself of things and being a minimalist. I have a big problem with asking people for help. Dont know if it is an INTP thing. My desire to learn is crazy, just learnt electronic music production, created a piece of commercial music, then I will be into 6 other courses that I bought. Studying is my favourite activity in the world. I was a terrible learner driver, was hard. Cold and distant I can relate to aswell. When I finally had enough of my ex cheating for the how manyeth time, I didn't even confront him, I just became cold and distant, I was done.
Man, you just described me perfectly. I identify with literally every single thing you said.
Bad boy
not only is it easy to project onto others but it comes out naturally for me and it causes me so much problems even with the people I love
Great explanation. ENTJ here, always felt a little confusing how the shadow functions work, and also was somewhat curious on how INTPs use them since we have opposite functions. Really enjoyed your way to explain, its clear and objective. Thanks (:
Didnt realize the extent of the shadow in this capacity, I just thought the 4th function, Fe, caused these behaviours
CS Joseph suggests that 4th Function is the 'gateway' to the shadow/unconscious, so I think it makes sense that these are all tied to Fe in a way. Many of these behaviours arise in the context of interacting with others (Fe).
i don't think my lack of motivation comes from an inferior function, it stems from using ti hero to set up logic based mental maps in search of truth. because truth is more important than anything else to me, things that motivate other people (like money, career, relationships, or affirmation) all fall to the wayside such that i appear to lack motivation. they were motivating when i was younger because my understanding of those concepts and of myself wasn't as complete as it is now, but now that i've squeezed as much truth as i can from those fields they no longer interest me. it can be nice to have someone you respect affirm your ideas by agreeing as further confirmation, but once you've established a habit of consistently thinking logically there comes a point where you truly understand something and just know it to be the truth. like how 1+1=2 is undeniable, you don't need someone else's opinion to know that it is true. it's an incredible satisfying feeling to unravel a previously unfamiliar complicated concept and reframe it in your mind such that everything fits together perfectly, not only with the elements of that particular concept but also within the larger framework of how you perceive reality in general. the more rational your perception is, the more rational it becomes. intps are just lucky to start further ahead in the way they perceive. it sounds arrogant, but life for me has become a rolling snowball of ever increasing understanding and i'm loving it, despite my family thinking i'm a weird "unmotivated" recluse for just sitting around researching things all day long.
About *Critical Parent* , it let me understood, why I always try to *looks-like-serve* people. Like in job, when something needs to be done, or I am not even adressed... Yet, I feel like fastest way to end topic in most efficient way is do it myself. 🤔
Or doing something, I ask others what needs in place I am going too, just in case... It looks like need for approval... But in same time, it is me trying to get most information and control over any aspect I am involved in. 🤔
Like it can take more time, but satisfaction over accomplishment seems bigger. 🤔
As if an INTP isn't gonna listen to the whole thing already
When in Fi demon mode, and I say things usually better left unsaid, I still mean them and never "take back what I said because I was angry." I might regret saying it, but won't rescind it. This has been a huge problem area when others use that excuse/logic for things said when angry. Why is it so hard for an INTP to "play the game" and apologize after a demonic episode?
Totally hear you... the things people say in anger usually reflect their unvarnished opinions, and while their delivery may be intentionally cruel they're actually very helpful insights if you're the kind of person who is unafraid to really look at yourself critically. I definitely find it hard to play the game, but I think it comes down to that old cardinal virtue of INTPs - we value truth above all else, so going along with Fe social games to make nice feels like I'm being dishonest.
Saving endlessly for basically nothing is my specialty. I always thought I have it from playing games where hoarding stuff is quite common... well... I think it's the other way around.
I was beginning to doubt that I really was an INTP until I saw this and really identified with what you described.
Aha! I'm 74, and at some point in my life I converted my Demon into an Angel. The kind that carries a sword, yes.
What it benefited you? And give examples(more than one)
Excellent video! Very helpful (me INTP) seriously have problems asking for anything... TOTALLY can relate. Whereas both my brothers were extremely aggressive in that respect... 😂 in my view...
Best description ever and yes, that’s me.... Love the monitor setup. Perfect. Just subscribed ❤️
Keep up the great work! Stumbled on your video, you probably have the best understanding of INTP'S relative to alternative channels here. My partner is an ISFP, your videos have helped a lot. Thank you
- a fellow INTP
Excellent explanation
Do more, this is good 👍
(entj) INTP’s… Yalls functions are absolutely amazing. Ti?? AND Ne? guys please yall deserve to treat yourselves . and enjoy it .
"If you get bored, you can skip around."
INTP: No, I don't think I will.
Seriously though, I'm getting confused and a little frustrated not knowing this FE, SI, stuff. Maybe I should get MBTI premium...
If your close your eyes, you’ll see nothing.
That’s deep
Nahh man after 15seconds a world is forming infront of my eyes and I can live in skyrim, as a second live
I'd would be interested to see one about ISFP shadow functions from you :)
This is so incredibly accurate!!! New subscriber!
5:20 I totally agree. I still feel sometimes like I can’t get stuff
this is why life is sooo hard
Just learned about the 16 personalities in Therapy after being in an emotional abusive relationship. Im an INTP and this stuff is so true its scary... Im at the mind-blown point that this stuff exists. Im just trying to absorb it all right now 🤯. You know what would be cool? If we made groups with each of the 16 personalities and played interesting games 🤔 maybe even a competitive thing like that show survivor. Hmmm 🤔 but being an INTP, this idea will sit comfortably in my head 😌😓
Illuminating. Thank you very much.
THIS IS SUPER TRUE OMGGGG i can relate so much to this
in the last few week ive been really stressed, and i started getting angr at everyone, being bossy and wanting to get everything done, i think i went shadow because im a really chill person but this got me on my nerves
That Ni critic is relatable. This week I was so afraid to ask my parent if I can have some bread. lol . My thinking was that I didn't deserve to ask them for bread.
Appreciate your take.
I'm an INTP on the autism spectrum. When I took the Michael Caloz test the only thing abnormal about me was scoring Fi higher than Fe. Even so, my Ti and Ne were still the highest scores. Then again, I scored moderate to high in pretty much all the introverted functions while getting low scores on extroverted ones (except for Ne, that is).
I gotta say tghs, the way you record while showing in the monitor screen your "reflection" is more "accidental" and next time you see it," Huh.... I didn't know I can do this" and next thing "Why'd I did that that's so embarassing"
So true! Thank you
hes giving Ryan gosling
I went to high school without glasses because I had broken a few in elementary and middle school. I guess I thought it'd be worth it risk my future. I barely graduated high school and thought and still think that college would be wasted on me. I'm now a skilless 24 year with a 2 year gap without any plans to improve myself.
4:50 I just did that. Went into the mall to get some shoes and left like nah I’ll just save.. I feel like bad for spending money on what I want. I just want a skateboard for crying out loud
the guilt part it truely the worse
Yes I wanted this
lmao the shadow pun in the thumbnail 😄
First a question - how many times can you see the computer screen in the computer screen in the computer screen ... :) This was really good, made a lot of sense. Thanks for editing it. It looked like you made a lot of them ;)
6:30 i do have the drive for few rhings but i dont get to do that i mean my major is something else and what i like is something else
Okay... I didn't ask to get called out like that 😤😤😤
Damn.
Weird thing is that I did a test and got high in Fi even higher than Fe
Same, do you have any idea why is that the case?
@@jbonceu2457 Im still not completely sure but I think it has to do with I'm an 5W4 INTP instead of a 5W6 (these two are usually the types that INTPs get on the ennegram test) and here are some comments that could help explaining the difference www.quora.com/Can-an-INTP-5w4-easily-be-mistyped-as-an-INFP so you maybe are the same btw you can take the ennegram test here: cloverleaf.me/enneagram
@@veruskatorres9276 thank you so much, I took the ennegram test and I am 5w4 lol😂. Now, I'm sure that I am an INTP I always doubt if I'm an Intp or Infp
@@jbonceu2457 haha yourwelcome! And same!! Lmfao guess that is part of being an INTP, taking 36363 tests and still wondering if you are one! Lol
How can one make the INTP calm once they are "out of their mind", when they are triggered?
Positive words and give them time to come to their senses
Steel rod to the head
Give us alone time and don't bring the topic up. If the intp is upset with you, let him calm down for a day or two or longer. Depends how upset he was
@@feuerschlange6374 a few hours is enough atleast in my case i quickly get over my emotions.
@@feuerschlange6374 wow that is a longer time than I thought
What would make intp to use demon function Fi? Stress? Anger towards someone so he ll be cold to them?
Yes n yes
Any form of agression really. Especially underserved. And the only thing compensating for that is Ti hero. The intp will need to think of the consequences if they fall to egoism and rage. Thats what calms us down.
Mainly constant critcism/hate on their inferior FE for example i used to have a "friend" that kept on bashing me on my social skills this got me furious after a while and all i can think about is what i want and i completelly stop caring about others i also start showing self destructive behavior and want to tear everything down i have provided them
take advantage of an INTP. We get used all the time. Want to trigger us? Just try using us for your own personal gain.
I found out I have anxious attachment trauma and that makes me have some outbursts of emotions... and I also cry easily ... however i think I'm intp... but no one believes me... do you think it's possible? Since I found out all that explanation by myself and usually I tend to do find explanations and causes by logic and deduction ...
Do you think I can be an intp with trauma? Or I'm being stupid ...
Additional information:
I decided to heal my anxiety in order to know who I really am... and I brainstormed all methods that I can try to achieve this.
Nailed it 🥀
Ay this is good! Thanks
nice 1
I do not understand the demon shadow
do an entj video !!! i’ll be waiting
Well said. I can appreciate a fellow INTP with a level head. Where are you from?
When you say “unconscious“ don’t you really mean “subconscious?”
Appreciate your take on the Ni critic and staying stagnant now I want to do something... But what haha
Relatable.
Fem INTP-T
INTP-T? How can you still use that wrong thing from 16p after knowing about cognitive functions?
Just wondering, where are you now?
How are these supposed to protect the INTP's ego tho?
HULK SMASH!!!!
your monitor is too high. the top of the screen should be on the height of your eyes.
you back and neck will thank me in 20years 👍🏽
Funny I actually just read about that and was considering buying a new desk haha