Honestly hearing this relieves a lot of self induced stress. For a long time time I thought something was wrong with me but it's refreshing to hear that I'm not alone.
One thing that I don't like that you keep repeating is "INTPs lack empathy" i may be feeling a bit defensive, but I have heard this explained better and I can tell you from personal experience it is not true. There is a huge difference between empathy and letting emotions guide decision making, it seems that you are conflating the two. INTPs feel very strongly about things and can feel a huge amount of empathy but can also recognize that emotions can blind us from the truth and the best path forward. An INTP can prioritize long term well being over short term emotions. An INTP can tell people the hard truths they need to hear to make their life better down the road, not because they don't care, but because they do care and they don't let their emotions blind them into being short sided.
Meh. If i understand someones emotions I feel empathy if I don't I don't. It depends on the person. Even people with the same type can differ from each other.
for me, I have empathy but it takes time to develop. like, my brain has to process stuff for awhile before I emotionally react. but when I emotionally react, it can be big emotions
Im an intp and I have alot of unbalanced emotions, so in order to keep myself balanced I turned to thinking things logically and rationally instead of being emotional and overwhelmed.
Yeah, I really don't like it when people say this because it's just a shallow understanding of what empathy actually is. This is of course going to vary for some of us who are INTP, but for me, my empathy is a part of my intuitive nature, but the logician in me acts as a guide to honing and refining my emotions as an antenna, rather than seeing them as bad. Granted it took me a while to find that balance, but I think encouraging us to think about ourselves as non empathetic is very unhealthy for a long term understanding of ourselves. I just don't let my emotions destroy my capability to see the long term versus the short term evaluation of things. Just because you don't see the emotions on the surface all the time or spilling out, doesn't mean those emotions or sensibilities aren't there. I'm a very emotional person. It's the same mistake people make with judging introverts as detached in general. It's not that we are detached, it's that we can become that way if we are not careful, or avoid people too much by becoming exhausted by them.
INTP myself, and I would say I hated school so much specifically Oral presentation. I remember being so anxious about having to speak before the class that I got sick, vomited, and got a 0 on multiple occasion that I didn't show up for my exam because I was too scared of speaking in front of the class. My reaction wouldn't to not care about someone being ridicule in front of the class. My reaction would be to question the school board for the way school learning is structured. I don't want to f***ing talk in front of my classmate, I actually couldn't give less than a f*** about any of them. But I don't want to be ridicule for my lack of confidence and social awkwardness. I was already enough of a reject and bullied without being made of fool in front of the whole class. I would care about that kid being ridicule because I would put myself in that person place. Not directly because I care about that person feeling. Simply I would project myself in that situation and feel it unfair to I would feel sad for that person.
I felt the same way about speaking in front of the class , it terrified me , it was the only test I would skip class for . I just refused to do it and told the teacher that.
You will find your self-worth in a sector or thing that you are passionate about. Keep hustling and don't give up. Being a fellow INTP, I am a programmer and sometimes I don't even talk in a day if there's no meeting or etc. Find your inner peace -> self -worth :)
The worst dark side to an INTP personality is they ghost you because your emotional needs and demands stress them out. And the moment they decide to tune you out, it’ll take an act of God to make them give a crap again
As an Intp myself, I don't ghost or ignore peoples emotions. I do care, just don't know how to respond to them, so I'll just be awkward, but will try to help. It's also possible that we don't understand what brought forward those emotions which is why it's even harder to empathise so we may come off as cold/uncaring. Or when the logical view of things doesn't indicate how emotions were brought forward. I for example once said something ab my mothers appearence which I didn't think much about. She however got hurt and was pretty mad. I didn't understand why at all since for me it was simple pointing out something that's human and logically not a bad thing. After some thinking and talking to someone ab it they made it clear how and why she got so upset even if the intentions weren't to hurt and simply just an observation. If feelings aren't logical we will have a much harder time empathizing and reacting to them. This depends of course on how Well your Fe is developed. If you have high Fe those situations can get avoided and you can find it easier to empathize. I hope this made sense and I'm sorry of I got a little off point😭
INTPs don't do drama. If you're always being dramatic, then an INTP will definitely avoid hanging out with you. And if an INTP closes the door on a relationship, you are essentially dead to them from that point forward.
I'm an INTP, but I'm pretty close to being an INFP, because I do feel things very strongly and am empathetic. What makes me an INTP is I feel regardless of how strongly someone feels about something, ultimately, logic should be the deciding factor. For me, the big problem is when I empathize with someone, but they are unable, or unwilling, to even attempt to look at a situation logically... even worse when someone talks themselves into believing something to be true, when it's obviously false, or outright lies, in order to justify their illogical views. I'm a good listener and am generally supportive. I once even had a friend tell me that in a conversation with a woman who was talking about her problems, he just sat and listened to her, rather than trying to give advice, surprising himself that he was being a "good guy" like me. We're good friends, but I wasn't expecting a compliment like that. But, while it is important to listen and be supportive, eventually real problems need real solutions, and while it's important to keep people's feelings in mind, real solutions require logic. Sometimes the best solution can be a compromise between what is logical and what accommodates people's feelings. However, sometimes the best solution is the right one and everything else id just varying degrees of wrong. Another thing to consider is, why don't the more Feeling people consider the Thinking person's feelings? Even strongly Thinking people have feelings.
This! We value truth. A lot. I can't even begin to understand why other people prefer bullshit and self-delusion. Reality is the root of our being and is more valuable than any material object that could be stolen or any feeling that could be dissolved.
I just took the personality test and got INTP. I think the biggest thing for me is being overly analytical instead of feeling. I play out situations in my head in at least 10 different ways. Then I get frustrated and give up if I can’t find a solution. I am highly intuitive but in an analytical way. Not a feeling kind of way. I have an understanding of how someone feels but I don’t really understand other people’s feelings.
I can understand that. I struggle with empathising with others. Things often become more like figuring out a puzzle, particularly social events. It's like a constant, never ending puzzle to figure out how I should respond/react to things and it's frankly exhausting. But, if I get close to someone and they get through those initial issues, then I can care deeply for them.
INTP here and I’m also autistic diagnosed with possible very mild ASPD. (I’m not a sociopath autism is just on the same spectrum and has some similar traits). Anyway, what you guys are describing is called “cognitive empathy” intps like us often have very high cognitive empathy. We’re able to understand how something could upset someone due to our intelligence but when it comes to emotional empathy, actually FEELING for someone instead of just understanding. We struggle with that. Most of us either have low emotional empathy or next to none. However, most of us have very high cognitive empathy, sympathy and compassion!. In my experience I only struggle with emotional empathy. It’s very low for me. Not just for others but also for myself I’ll often suppress and just ignore the feelings.
They're all on point, and they're really a dark side. I think the worst traits to us are, poor empathy makes us feel lonely sometimes and hard to keep real relationships. And the overthinking/procrastinating making us less efficient on daily basis.
*No.* *1) and 4) are bullshit.* We do not lack *EMPATHY,* we lack *SYMPATHY.* That is because Fe, our 4th cognitive function, which we tend to recognize as important... we just really suck at it AND we know it. When we see someone crash and burn in a presentation, we fully recognize how horrible that was. That's why we go logic over that bitch. It allows to move on and improve. It is the negative emotions that sparks us. Likewise for number 4), we have ONLY quality relationships. We do not value small talk. We do not value networking (which is a huge flaw), or even reputation. We are bored and amused condescendingly by your attachment to the local team of sportsball made up from people all over the world EXCEPT their home region. Instead, we find individuals of value and cling to them. We want deep conversations that very few people are able to follow, let alone engage in. We put ourselves into ivory towers.
@@fovarberma752 you right, I made a mistake. I meant Sympathy not Empathy, because I feel deeply for others in bullied or harmed situations, but lack Sympathy for normal matters. You put it better than me. Yea, those are our biggest flaws and we should improve them.
There is no spoon. Realizing that there are no friends but only long term acquaintance's that eventually leave your life only to be replaced with another. That doesn't mean we are not friendly with them only holding so loosely that when they're gone we don't mind. The only exception to this is the spouse which is the only friend we have and need.
You can empathize with people just make their emotional problem a logical problem recently my friends roommates dog bit his dog's eye out they were coming at it at emotional point-of-view everyone's mad at each other whatever you can turn it into a logical problem who's actually to blame out of taking apart details and explaining stuff you just turn emotional problems into logical problems to help people close to you that solved some people don't like to hear that but my friends understand that I'm a calm and logical person so they accept and listen to my logical point of view and inject their emotional when they deal with it when the person
I'm an INTP, and I would be empathetic towards someone who bombed a presentation. With me, empathy is a hit or miss. If I can identify with someone in a particular position, I can easily empathize. If I can't identify, though, I can find it difficult to empathize.
I took a myers briggs test the other day and was classified intp. Upon looking in to the traits and indicators of this personality types i'm shocked at how accurate a description of myself this personality type gives. To a T this is who i am. Its good to know im not just weird as fuck.
I wasn't aware of this MBTI being a thing until recently, but I do know that after training (forcing?) myself to feel empathy for others, my life became a whole lot better. I used to beat myself over the fact that "I'm so evil for not caring about how they (might) feel" But then I realized, THAT's probably my weakness. And for every weakness I have, I know there's always something I can do to strengthen that weakness. So I did. I practiced expressing my emotions and studying others to know what others feel. Somehow, I think my own MBTI changed in the process, but I was quite certain that there's a point in my life where I was once an INTP.
Your type doesn't change. Mbti is a tool to understand the 'how' of yourself and others. As a tool you can use it to "fix" or strengthen your inherit "weaknesses" (dark side) to be a more healthy person. Like the enneagram types help to understand the 'why' of yourself. They should be used together.
@@jjschowyour type can very much change between different stages of life such as before then after college or having kids. Also, the test was originally made for analyzing workers so keep in mind it's leaned VERY towards white-capitalist ideals to the point it may as well be a zodiac sign or palm reading for purposes outside of its original intent
I say that not being empathetic is my greatest strength... not a "dark side." Albert Einstein said, "Match the frequency of the reality you want, and you cannot help but get that reality." Empathetic people are matching themselves to other people's frequencies, which is why they are leading everyone else's life and not their own. INTPs rock! It's too bad others view them as cold.
Unfortunately having other people like you can be very important to career or social succes. But yes, I think the world would be a better place if everyone was more logical. Then again, I have this personality, so I could be biased.
i dont think einstein said that. frequency is literally how many times something happens over a period of time(for example a monitor refreshing 60 times per second). the reality you want doesnt have a frequency. i suspect people like deepak chopra or other woo peddlers said that and tried to attribute it to einstein.
@@sabin97I would argue that as incorrect. If our beliefs dictate our actions, and beliefs are thoughts we keep thinking (they are our frequent thoughts) then yes frequency of those thoughts dictate your reality. If I’m around people who cry about rich people all day and how unfair life is but don’t take action, then those thoughts could become my thoughts and eventually my beliefs if I allowed them to. Empathy is a strength for sure, but so is being able to separate one’s own thoughts and beliefs from others. So being able to logically think definitely gives this personality type a leg up because they are less likely to take on other people’s BS thoughts and feelings because they are more interested in a solution than the feelings. Hopefully that makes sense.
This is so true. I don’t do social media simply because I don’t want to waste time and effort being engaged with others. I don’t have a lot of friends, but great supportive family, so I don’t feel bad about it at all. I do tend take a backseat and engage less when work is being unfair or does wrong to me, rather than speak up, which ultimately hurts my career. That’s my biggest flaws for success. But as noted, I don’t care so much about titles, so it doesn’t bother me too much most of the times either.
I feel exactly the same way. I tend to withdraw from social situations that don't directly benefit myself intellectually. I don't really try to engage in things like small talk or go to gatherings just to "hang out" with people I don't know that well.
Remember that the list below doesn't represent every point from the video 1) Lack of empathy 2) Suppressing emotions (particularly negative) 3) Procrastination(in particular paralysis analysis) 4) Lack of quality relationships (because of social ignorance and self-prioritisation) 5) Too harsh on themselves (too much emphasis on being right and fixation on details)
I really struggled with empathy for the first part of my life. Since high school I’ve gone through a decade of extreme hardship including my girlfriend dying at 22, my daughter dying at 3, 8 more of my closest friends dying throughout, and being shot in the chest myself. I know what pain is, and now I REALLY know what empathy is.
Pretty accurate, but I wouldn't call it poor empathy, it is just selective. Not saying it's good or bad, but it's a balance introverts in general need, so as long as we know others are generally okay or have substitutes, we'd rather just be! After all, they'd probably do the same if they had other things to attend to.
INTP and INTJ is a continuum and people fall at different points between the two. I land closer to the INTJ side so depending on the situation, I may be more of a J then a P such as needing structure in my work life. Of course having inattentive ADD and being an INTP is challenging for those you have a relationship with. I get bored easily and the more bored I am, the more I withdraw into myself to deal with the boredom since I am repressing my P side.
After taking a few courses on philosophy and behavioral psychology, I can say I have learnt to empathize with other people or maybe to understand why are they behave a certain way under certain circumstances, but I am not a shoulder to cry on, I really can't console people.
People come to me when they want a really good listener and very sensible advice, which they usually act on successfully. However, peoples tears dry up fast even when I hug them; they just seem not able to sustain the crying. I would like to be that shoulder sometimes; tears are good medicine! Oh well, at least I'm good at other things...
Knowing why people react the way the do is different to being able to deal with those reactions. It takes a special someone to be able to defuse emotional outbursts. Far too overwhelming for me mind you.
I use to think I might have been some kinda psycho when I realized that I didn't feel much for the people around me always wondered why. Then one day while playing chess an opponent out of nowhere suggest to me to take a personality test. I did and it said I was an INTP. Am just here doing a bit of research thanks for this quality video
I was told I was an INTP back in high school over a decade ago. I just remember my teachers reaction to finding out I was an INTP. Though I feel like I should retake the test since people change over time. Most of these points hit the nail on the head though.
1. yes agreed. not being prepared is a lesson learned. It was a beneficial failure. 2. Since I have a hard time knowing if my emotions are a rational or irrational reaction. It is hard to express emotions when they are actually valid. This is why I ask others. 3. oh god, deciding in a world of a million options. I am fallible, so being certain is hard when I know I can be wrong. 4. Purpose. Speak with purpose. yacking about nothing wastes energy. 5. Everything got better when I realized I am fallible. Unless I do something impulsive and seem stupid.. It's humiliating. 6. Assuming that the world is stupid will work out for you most of the time. When I are proven wrong, it actually makes me happy. I love competent, resourceful people. They are hard to find.
yeah. emotional suppression is something i've pretty much mastered as an intp. but. there's one particular song that brings me to tears. when i have a lot of stressful situations where crying would be the best option, i listen to that song....and let it all out....and then carry on as normal. when it comes to "career" i already gave up ages ago. i just go with the flow, do what is asked, and dont pay attention to promotions or raises.
Is it possible to be an INTP with a lot of passion and deep empathy? I'm not good at dealing with others emotions but I feel like I want to help everyone. I've been diagnosed with ADHD
It is possible. If you go by functions Intps have Ti-Ne-Si-Fe. Fe being highly focused on others feelings and emotions. It's actually pretty common for intps being able to be empathetic and feeling how others may feel if their Fe is Well developed. You said you aren't good at dealing with other's emotions, would you say you are more connected to what's important to you or to what's important to the group/others?
I’m an intp with adhd too and can relate. I can be awkward sometimes when people are emotional but I can also hyper focus on others in order to understand & help them
You're forgetting that INTPs are intuitive, not sensing types. Intuitives prefer patterns and big-picture thinking almost to the exclusion of facts or details. As an INTP, most of the points in this video did not ring true.
You sure you're an INTP? As an INTP most of these applied to me, even more so when I was a teenager. These points are also pretty consistent with other vids describing INTPs
@@jiggyniblet4295 Hi, Jiggy. I'm fairly sure, but with tests like these, there's always room for interpretation. I took the MBTI website version and then paid a professional to place me. My results revealed me to be an almost pure INTP on the spectrum. I related to some of the descriptions of my personality. The intuitive function, however, did not resonate. Intuitives are pattern thinkers and visionaries. Details and facts are just data points in the big picture for INTPs. Watch this video for a deeper understanding of the intuitive function - Intuition vs Sensing EXPLAINED in the 16 Personalities by Frank James.
Yep. I've gotten better with time but I struggle giving comfort when I didn't receive that ever (and when I did, it just made things worse for me). I feel so called out for the suppression of emotions. Jeezus, it's scary accurate 😂 Yep.... I'm a procrastinator. I'm either in a perfectionist or procrastinator mode. It's hard to find a balance. Yep. I don't feel guilty. It's hard to when I don't see them as a friend. Nope. But yes, I beat myself up a lot for not knowing something that I'm good at... Unfortunately, yes. Like I understand that people have difficult life situations but still 😅
I would say not exactly. The inferior Fe does play a big play in making INTPs challenged to empathize. However, difficulty in empathizing actually suits more unhealthy INTPs. Healthy INTPs will most likely cherish or somewhat cherish going through the loophole or revolution in their genius zone because of their inferior Fe being more balanced out to their dominant Ti. Overall, being unempathetic is correct for INTPs, however, depending on how assertive the INTP actually is, the INTP can actually understand peoples' emotions and accept them while still preferring their dominant Ti more than anything. I am an INTP and I have been in this area of study for the past year or so, MBTI has some very interesting stuff.
Yeah yk while I was watching the video I felt it did not match me on a bit and I wondered if others felt the same. I have a lot of empathy for people I just choose when I want to use it based on the context of my relationship or experience with that person and decide whether I think they deserve my empathy or not.... I'm not about to just be feeling bad for people who I believe to be assholes and I think that's a very valid thing to do because my empathy has been abused multiple times and having empathy for others off-rip is how I got into those situations. I try to get out of the house because I understand the importance of relationships with others... While I don't make many friends I still try to and take up offers from people that want to hang out whenever I get an offer because I believe relationships are important.... Even if I have a few friends that I stop talking to for weeks only to randomly pop back up again like nothing happened.... I do have a problem with procrastination (which I think was spot on for me but that was about it) and being hard on myself only when I'm in a bad mood other than that I'd say I praise myself quite a few times.... And I am a psychology major so that helps me a lot with empathy because learning about the brain and what it does helps me connect feelings to logic and puts them in a way for me to better understand people. I didn't even know why I liked psychology so much I guess writing this comment helped me understand better THANKS KIND STRANGER!
Most Intps are empathetic because it’s in their ego function stack. Intps want to understand the emotions of others as they want to understand everything. Ti-Fe (introverted thinking and Extroverted feeling) are on the same axis so you really can’t have one without the other. Fe is all about harmony, emotional understanding, and the feelings of others. Therefore most Intps have some empathy as it is part of the top 4 of their function stack. The main problem with inferior Fe is that is where their main insecurity and fear lies not that they lack empathy. Being insecure about how they might come off to others in social situations leads to awkwardness. However Intps actually have the ability to be quite empathetic especially over time as they develop new experiences with people. The main problem is when they hole themselves up they don’t grow their connections with others. As such I disagree with the video that most intps lack empathy. Quite the contrary in many cases. Intps are often good empathizers but their fear of disrupting harmony in social situations based on how they think differently from others being a rare Ti user and coming off as social pariahs gives people the perception of intps as uncaring people. If anything people with low Fi in their function stack struggle more with empathy than Intps. Intjs for example tend to give 2 craps about how other people feel or understanding others feelings unless it affects them directly. Having introverted feeling (Fi) they mainly only care about their own feelings and values first where Fe (extroverted feeling) and caring about the feelings of others is their blindspot.
Hard time empathising is a tricky one because I understand other people’s feelings and I understand the reasons… If something terrible happened to someone my empathy might seem very off or fake - it’s not because I don’t feel sad for them. It’s because I am carefully analysing what should I say and what could make it worse. Eg.: My friend‘s pet died… I know the pain and I know that this is extremely hard - I want to support them BUT I don’t want to make it accidentally worse… You can’t just throw „don’t worry“ or „It‘s going to be fine“… Because I personally would be mad if someone would be saying BS like that… Sooo what are the „neutral options“? This gets really tricky because I know that doesn’t matter what I say - it’s not going to make the situation any easier as there is nothing that could be done.
@@rareGUNDAM_ true I understand you it's kind of different and difficult to understand/know everything in the situation when it comes to emotions but if we try to understand others and our emotions then life would be easy for others and us, at the same time ☺️.
I'm an INTP, and I don't think you should be trying to explain what it's like being one when it's fairly clear you're not. We aren't cold monsters who will see someone embarrass themselves in front of an entire classroom and be like, "Ummmm actually🤓, it's his fault, and I don't feel bad for him because of this and that" An INTP that out of touch most likely wouldn't be in a classroom setting in the first place; they'd be in a basement somewhere.
I had to take the MBTI test recently at school and questioned it so i took it on two other platforms. Definitely have had my problems in life but it is refreshing to hear all this, makes me feel better about me.
This is really interesting and relatable in some ways. I am an INTP-A (i took the test multiple times at different times in my life lol) and a Cancer (I'm not big on astrology but there are some relatable traits there) I will say that I don't struggle too to much to empathize with peoples emotions which is likely due to my understanding of human psychology, which provides reasons to emotions that on the surface seem irrational....or maybe that would still be sympathy? Tbh the two words still confuzzle me, feel free to correct me anyone lol. Anyway there are some emotional situations that i just don't get nor care about and I'm ok with that. On the flipside I'm pretty sure I'm some level of empath (a nod to Cancer maybe?) Once I am not drained I can be very supportive of my friends emotional needs because it's something I value. My friends come me knowing i'll listen without judgment (for the most part, so not really without. i really think people who say they don't judge are liars, the brain is literally designed to form judgments to make decisions) and I enjoy being able to help them vent or find solutions for emotional problems. In regards to the empath part there were many times i was fine, having a good day and a friend is in distress and in need of emotional support. In these situations there wasnt much talk just the "im here for you hug" and at first its warm and fuzzy and then slowly i start to feel dark clouds rolling in, then something is creeping into my consciousness...sadness? by the time the hug is over, im just like wtf just happened?? my friend has a pleasant smile now, expresses gratitude and im left feeling confusingly crappy. this has happened more than once and only with ppl i was more comfortable being emotionally vulnerable with. Im pretty sure i was taking on their emotional energy and i felt like that was dangerous tbh. While i have no problem feeling my emotions, im more of a feel it now and move past it than a bottler, i do think a key reason we are prone to protecting our emotions is because we have so little battery to begin with. I think its important to our social survival. Lastly i do have quality relationships that i cherish some spanning over 20 years. I've had great partnerships (still friends with exes...except one) and friendships with ppl who i can rely on in tough times, who i can vent to and waste time with. It was my mission after elementary school to find my tribe. I didnt really fit in in elementary and just had passing aquaintance friendships, many situations that i look back on where ppl likely thought i was rude lol. those kids were mostly superficial and boring, so i chose a middle school much further from home that had a higher diversity ratio. I finally had a group of ppl i wanted to hang out with. Two of my friends from that time in my life im still close to today. high school and college left me with even more lasting friendships. I will say that society has distracted some of my loved ones from what used to be important to them which does sadden me at times but the love is still there. Lastly i dont find myself underestimating people. I really do consider many possibilities with other ppl so i dont put anything past anyone. Anyone could be capable of anything at any time and you wont know until you know.
6:00 We don't prioritize ourselves over others, we just understand the intrinsically low value of our own life as a soul in a sea of eight billion more, hence; we expect that others don't care about whether or not they interact with us because of the tiny percentage of their friend group that we make up, no matter how much we disagree with that feeling, no matter how badly it hurts, because it makes rational sense.
I’m definitely an INTP--but I am very empathic. I might not understand how people feel, but I feel badly that they feel that way. I wonder where I get that from.
I am an INTP, and I agree with you on these 6 traits. I'm also 75 years old, and I have seen my behaviors (not my thinking) change as a result of my self-awareness. I imagine that this may be true of other personality types also. In essence, we "fake it" when it makes pragmatic sense to do so. I do, however. stop short of betraying my core values. This shift in outward behaviors has been gradual, and it probably is in step with emotional maturation.
Bad example. I'm an INTP and *I* would have the bad grades. It may be the perspective of a 30's INTP established in a highly paid career with no college degree, but I've found often that grades and whatnot mean very little in the real world unless you are in academia. I'm smart but you can't prove it I'm paper. Also I am definitely someone who gets stuck in over analysis, but it's not so much getting caught in the details. I prefer others to do detail work. I want to be the big picture guy, and I have to be the big picture guy in my line of work. That said, I also get a lot of satisfaction when I do get the opportunity to focus on one piece of work and I really like taking something from being "good enough" (a term I despise) to being something excellent.
@@sylviaowega3839 I was a reasonably good student in high school, but I excelled in college. The difference was that high school was just a lot of rote learning, while college was more of understanding the underlying principles and applying them to the real world. It also required more inventivity (for lack of a better word). That fit me like a glove. Fortunately, I ended up in a line of work that required this as well.
Empathy is still present to INTPs as kindness is important to INTPs. It might be INTP-Ts who are not into empathy and underestimate others. Logic explains how kindness is an action not emotion. Treating people with kindness is a mark of an INTP-A, knowing that a world the works for the good is through being kind. Turbulent INTPs may always be not seeing the ideas, that they go into facts and may not be seeing the greater picture.
I'm an INTP-T, and I disagree. Kindness is important in the world, but too much can be destructive. Even then, when I encounter someone who has a destructive worldview, I'm still kind to them when I talk to them. I know that this worldview was likely pushed onto them and that they are only following it because they don't realize the bad it can cause them. It is not their fault, but the fault of those pushing it. The world needs kindness, but only to a certain extent, or else it can allow certain terrible ideas to subvert society.
I mean, I totally agree about these parts of our personality, but its really good that's its part of us. Like how we're highly introverted and don't go out on social hangouts or parties. Its waste a time. For us, time is precious. We could be doing many things other than things we DO NOT LIKE AND WHERE WE WASTE TIME.
I work with a 'crier', randomly just bursts into tears, most of the time its because of some imagined situation that has not and will not happen. Weird.
I have "empathy" and I care about people, that's one reason why I stay away from them. It's difficult to have live dialogues. To make a point, I have to explain the details to reveal the "big picture". I have to listen to and analyze the words of the other person, to be convinced that they understand the details and can discover the "big picture" for themselves. If I "over"-explain, some people indicate that I think they're stupid. (We don't know the knowledge of others.) Sometimes I say the obvious because it's specifically important to the point. My point is then lost to the other person/people trying to compete by comparing knowledge of something irrelevant or refusing to continue the conversation. If I don't explain enough, some people make incorrect assumptions and don't come to the expected conclusion unless I correct and explain what they misunderstood. The point is missed or becomes dull (like a curve rather than a point). It's tedious to talk to people who try to appear smarter than they are because they like using uncommon vocabulary. If you want to converse, then speak for people to easily understand what you're saying. I think intelligence is better than knowledge of uncommon synonyms. I'd rather think of the square root of seven than have a vocabulary contest to reveal a basic boring sentence. I can talk for hours about my lack of conversation, the reasons and examples.
great video, but im not so shure about the last part. I personally wouldn't say I look down on them, although I somtimes find myself wondering how someone could not understand something, I actually admire those of theme how put so much effort and time into learning to compensate. I think I would not do that, because time spend vs knowledge gaind would just drive me crazy.
If the team has an important asignment. There could be a teammember holding the team back or just being the weakest. A intp in his dark mode will be looking for ways to ditch this team member amy way he can. There is no time to bring the weakest member up to speed. Or there is no oppertunity. Or he or she is way out of his league and a hopeless case. The ditch can be hard sudden and abrupt. No time for feelings. The mission comes first. The dark side of the intp is the entj in its most ruthkess form.
You hit the empathy excuse hard on this video but it’s not that we don’t have empathy. We understand it and feel it way more than you make it seem. We’re not psychopaths, it’s just sometimes we don’t care…but we understand that we’re hurtful in a way….id go into more detail but I’m driving
As a INTP-T that now understands this, I'm making some changes (for example, my mental health was awfully affected because emotions repression and not sharing them), I'm trying to go to some parties, etc... people don't understand how much effort I have to do, to do things that are easy for them.
Now we don’t down at someone due to have lower grades, or status; -but we do secretly don’t like 99% of the people within general population, because they are boring. Many people are also inauthentic, and violent and oppressive; and gravitate to certain ideologies and religions, in which provides them a sense of false hopes.
I feel the same way. Although i’ve changed a lot on the people thing, I always used to just hate everyone and practically close myself off from society because I thought everyone around me was stupid. Which, most are but I also usually like people a lot more once I get to know them more.
@@sylviaowega3839 Yes - but also because it is easier that way. The alternative would be close to paranoia - and that is frankly not livable, either personally or professionally. But be honest, when you give someone your trust, do you never consider "Plan B" - and secretly mitigate the possible consequences?
I finally found a word for my condition.. not only am i driven by logic but also i procrastinate like crazy while chasing perfection... I have spent months researching for the most "scientific and efficient" workouts and my mind seems to be more motivated to just keep researching than actually working out. Furthermore i like rewrite a single sentence on a essay about ten times before i find it satisfactory enough, and often restart after going more than halfway coz i for no reason think its not satisfactory.
With your analogy to a school presentation where an INTP wouldn't feel bad about a poor presentation, as an INTP myself I would say to extend not feeling bad for whoever gave a poor presentation, I typically felt relieved now that the standard of quality was below what I was bringing to the table. It's not like I ever had anything against those people, but I never liked presenting first just in case I'm the only person with a subpar presentation. I would just feel a bit relieved without giving it much thought.
I dwell. I get stuck. If i experience an unpleasant encounter i spend the rest of the day thinking of various scenarios and what i should have done and how the outcome could have changed.
I am an INTP, never made fun or judged anyone for their grade or title. Infact it's the opposite. I listen to as many perspectives as I possibly can. My dark trait they did not mention is that I will even consider some very abnormal or perspectives that is deviant and that often can have me judged as being possible deviant or confusing about where I stand on somethings morally.
If someone bombed a public presentation I would logically think and say something like, “hey it’s not that bad” or “everyone will forget in 3 days, no big deal”. That’s using the thinking function but in a way to make someone feel better (hopefully).
The hardest thing about being an INTP is hurting the people who are close to me simply because I lack the wherewithal to engage with them and outwardly show an active interest in their life. I have lost two serious relationships because my partners believed that I did not care. My immediate family has accused me of being self absorbed and unfeeling. And to make matters worse, I cannot function at all in social environments. But things are going to get better soon. I have hope.
So let's see . I took a personality test and it came up that I'm an INTP . Is that why I practice answering a question before a conversation and I have 10 different answers?
I did the personality test multuple times and i always get INTP-T.. so question here is do ppl like us question if we are really INTPs? or is it just me ?
As a fellow INTP [A], I understand; Its easier. You can’t change the situation, so feelings about it doesn’t matter. However, philosophy (which I also love) is logical, as It helps us cope with what we can’t control and physics offers an outlet for rumination, giving a chance to explore endlessly without a chance for disappointment. Perfectly rational.
I would say one thing you missed, so far as I think, is that when emotions are felt, they can be very Strong & the tendency to analyze it in hopes of solving it doesn’t help to solve it as It just needs to be processed in a way of acknowledging it, feeling it & then letting it go & not getting too hung up about it. On the side note (even though I don’t find the whole MBTI thing as accurate, I still find it Fun & interesting like astrology), I find it completely illogical for people to not consider the importance of emotions & the value it actually brings. This is definitely something I had to learn as I grew up but pretending to be logical is so backward as its completely ignorant of the FACT that WE ARE ALL emotional beings & cant be otherwise. I still struggle to empathize with people in some circumstances, but I can definitely tell you that it is NOT hard. That being said, I do consider myself an empathetic person & just because you got the result of an "INTP" that doesn’t mean its a FREE ticket to not develop & improve that side of you unless you don’t want to. But there are no excuses. If youve ever learned or heard of the Law of Attraction/Assumption, you can definitely understand this to a greater depth I believe as well as facing the truth of why you NEED emotions. And if you still dismiss it as some woo woo garbage then I advise you to step back, introspect, stop adamantly believing that Science is a fact or even a concrete & unchanging Truth & Open your mind. There truly is no logic or objectivity either. Develop & listen to your emotions, reject the conditioned, yes conditioed!, thinking that emotions have no place in understanding complexities & solving a majority of the so called problems faced by most daily.
as an INTP, I have to admit this is pretty accurate / descriptive of me in a good way. I feel less crazy and not alone. but I guess we're still a little nuts
I've grown up surrounded and drowned in 'feeler' sorts, so I've managed to get more 'empathy' than I know what to do with, so now I'm also beating myself up over not knowing how empathetic I should be. How much is too much, or too little, etc. It's a bloody mess.
I'm an INTP and I can relate to all of this but....we can change things. I don't underestimate people cause I've practiced not to, I was hard on myself but then I started meditation and self compassion...I used to speak more logically than being emotional but with time I've found a balance. I didn't used to express my emotions but then I tried to, it is hard for me to express till now cause I don't understand what to say, is it logical but I try. I do care about others emotions now.
As an INTP The example you used first was the worst possible Now, being aware that other INTPs might be different just because you just said it, but personally I understand that feeling of embarrassment, sometimes I'd have no knowledge of a presentation and I'd need to take small pieces from other's presentations and just talk my way into passing... I succeeded every time Tho if the student did know about the presentation, then it is mostly their fault I'll understand embarrassment, but as someone who was there and passed without knowing the presentation being a thing, if you knew, and still failed, it's your fault
I can be the most social person you could meet in certain environments though its drains me and im general I prefer to be introverted. This tends to throw people off.
Listening to this kind of made me feel guilty and sad. I'm an INTP who hates most of these sides, yet I still can't stop my actions, either subconsciously or not. I know most of these sides were bad, and I hate to think that this also makes me a bad person. On the other hand, I also wanted to try accepting that "THIS IS ME", although it mostly gave me anything but benefits to go through life.
IMO the presentation example doesn't require a response at all. I've seen many nervous people do presentations and never thought it was because they didn't prepare enough. Generally the only thing I thought was "Well, this is going to take a while". Different situation if they made a clear techinal or logical mistake.
I might be overstepping, but I think the first one might be wrong. I find it easy to put myself in someone else's shoes and understand where they're coming from. Sympathy though, that's a bit difficult as it involves feeling something over someone else's feelings, which sounds pointless to me honestly.
Social event logic: Company Picnic. Am I being paid to attend? No. Could I be reprimanded or fired for my actions at the event? Yes. Conclusion: Don't attend event.
Lack of empathy. No, maybe too much empathy, leading to a desire to avoid people so that their feelings to overwhelm my own. Which makes a lot of sense because the Fe function is in the inferior position. Your feelings overwhelm mine, and I can't express either very well. So I'm not to be very present emotional or mirror you. The only thing the inevitably comes through clearly is annoyance and anger, or boredom, even if I'd rather it didn't. I'd love to beable feign interest. On the other hand, I'm am not thinking about your feelins very much when you are not present. I think this fits well with Ne being the auxiliary function. My imagination is focused on what is externally present. Out of sight, out of mind. Which might also explain the tendency to procrastinate, and it also suggests a solution. Need to somehow bring the task into to the present enviroment. Like preparing the workspace before hand. Or having a specific space for the task. Any external reminders that can't be overlooked.
Here I was thinking about something else like those of us that aren't so nice. Im sure there's still some grandmothers out there still using me as an example of what not to be only to their grandkids this time.
intp like me .. i never start any argument, i don't deal with it .. when someone is mad at me i'm just silent because it's waste of time explaining my side coz i know i'm the one whose right and explaining would just going to drain me. i'm just right there .. ignoring .. walking around like as if your not there haha. That irritates them even more haha. but if i am force to a situation with no escape .. that's the time i fight them with facts !! with proof ready in my hand to shut them up.
I definitely suffer from analytic paralysis, but I would not consider it procrastination. If I am actively thinking about the best way to word, write something or build something I am not doing nothing I am thinking about the thing which is doing somethign not physical but I am not thinking about anything or my personal life. I am thinking about the subject at hand. Which is undervalued if people cared a little less about quantity and a bit more about quality the world would be in a better state.
I totally agree with you, but also you still stuck with thinking trying to dig over and over to get the best result or option, instead saving some time and get doing it. It kills the efficiency and progressing! Also, i found the more you think about it, the less likely you end up doing it because we INTP have strong deep thinking, we kinda live through the thing inside our mind, making the motivation to do it in the real life lesser. That's my experience.
@@rft1509 Well of course it depend on the quality required and also the importance of that task and the consequence of not being able to complete the task in the amount of time allowed. If the amount of time is short and the consequence don't matter to your superior, than I guess you can force yourself to work but it just rubs me the wrong way. I am often asked to help with projects from my supervisors but sometimes I feel like they keep complaining that nothing changes and that result or bad but nothing is done about it. No one has the balls to challenge the authority and tell the higher up No that's makes no sense here is how it should be.
@@Barthenn i was talking more generally when you have the free choice and time, but at work for sure your resorces and time are limited, therefore you have to well get to know how much time you have and what your tasks are ought to be. And about challenging the Authority, i myself have no problem find the best way to tell them how things are should be done (more experiences make you more flexible and insightful on how to tell that without making conflicts) I only accept authority blindly, if they have more knowledge than me and I'm in the process of learning.
@@rft1509 I've been told by others that I lack tack and often can hurt others feeling at my work place but I don't think feelings should be important when discussing important matters. That being said, I don't aim at insulting or being rude. I don't want hurt anyone and so I try, and I have been trying harder to choose my word more carefully. I just hate walking on egg shells. Love it when someone just tells me to speak plainly or tell it how it is.
@@Barthenn I understand you. Personally, I would care about the feelings of my coworkers only when i really care about them. My point was about the boss situation was, you want to state your opinions to stand on your ground and looking for promotion by showing character and own insight, but also not challenging them, because no boss would like that lol and instead of consider you more they will cut you short lol My ideal thought is, it's important to know one's personality type to help him understand himself and others better, but he should also work on his weak sides and find the right balance as much as it can be, to be satisfied and find fulfillment. Sorry if i went off topic, just liked to have that discussion 😀
As INTP I don't know how to describe it precisely but it's like I am empathetic but in a logical way not emotional. Like I just don't feel it but intellectualizing empathy is what I do in a way....
Honestly hearing this relieves a lot of self induced stress. For a long time time I thought something was wrong with me but it's refreshing to hear that I'm not alone.
Bro same i thought i was insane
same bro
same, i used to think i had autism or something
We are alone, represented by only 1-5% of people. Out of 8 billion people.
@@AsocialMelonYea now i need a job that requires intps and get paid alot cause theres not many of us
One thing that I don't like that you keep repeating is "INTPs lack empathy" i may be feeling a bit defensive, but I have heard this explained better and I can tell you from personal experience it is not true. There is a huge difference between empathy and letting emotions guide decision making, it seems that you are conflating the two. INTPs feel very strongly about things and can feel a huge amount of empathy but can also recognize that emotions can blind us from the truth and the best path forward. An INTP can prioritize long term well being over short term emotions. An INTP can tell people the hard truths they need to hear to make their life better down the road, not because they don't care, but because they do care and they don't let their emotions blind them into being short sided.
Meh. If i understand someones emotions I feel empathy if I don't I don't.
It depends on the person. Even people with the same type can differ from each other.
Agree.
for me, I have empathy but it takes time to develop. like, my brain has to process stuff for awhile before I emotionally react. but when I emotionally react, it can be big emotions
Im an intp and I have alot of unbalanced emotions, so in order to keep myself balanced I turned to thinking things logically and rationally instead of being emotional and overwhelmed.
Yeah, I really don't like it when people say this because it's just a shallow understanding of what empathy actually is. This is of course going to vary for some of us who are INTP, but for me, my empathy is a part of my intuitive nature, but the logician in me acts as a guide to honing and refining my emotions as an antenna, rather than seeing them as bad. Granted it took me a while to find that balance, but I think encouraging us to think about ourselves as non empathetic is very unhealthy for a long term understanding of ourselves. I just don't let my emotions destroy my capability to see the long term versus the short term evaluation of things. Just because you don't see the emotions on the surface all the time or spilling out, doesn't mean those emotions or sensibilities aren't there. I'm a very emotional person. It's the same mistake people make with judging introverts as detached in general. It's not that we are detached, it's that we can become that way if we are not careful, or avoid people too much by becoming exhausted by them.
INTP myself, and I would say I hated school so much specifically Oral presentation. I remember being so anxious about having to speak before the class that I got sick, vomited, and got a 0 on multiple occasion that I didn't show up for my exam because I was too scared of speaking in front of the class. My reaction wouldn't to not care about someone being ridicule in front of the class. My reaction would be to question the school board for the way school learning is structured. I don't want to f***ing talk in front of my classmate, I actually couldn't give less than a f*** about any of them. But I don't want to be ridicule for my lack of confidence and social awkwardness. I was already enough of a reject and bullied without being made of fool in front of the whole class. I would care about that kid being ridicule because I would put myself in that person place. Not directly because I care about that person feeling. Simply I would project myself in that situation and feel it unfair to I would feel sad for that person.
I feel the same way about this first one.
I felt the same way about speaking in front of the class , it terrified me , it was the only test I would skip class for . I just refused to do it and told the teacher that.
Couldn't have said it better bro
You will find your self-worth in a sector or thing that you are passionate about. Keep hustling and don't give up. Being a fellow INTP, I am a programmer and sometimes I don't even talk in a day if there's no meeting or etc. Find your inner peace -> self -worth :)
Relatable bro im a social reject and just would get made fun of out of nowhere by my classmates at secondary school.
The worst dark side to an INTP personality is they ghost you because your emotional needs and demands stress them out. And the moment they decide to tune you out, it’ll take an act of God to make them give a crap again
As an Intp myself, I don't ghost or ignore peoples emotions. I do care, just don't know how to respond to them, so I'll just be awkward, but will try to help. It's also possible that we don't understand what brought forward those emotions which is why it's even harder to empathise so we may come off as cold/uncaring.
Or when the logical view of things doesn't indicate how emotions were brought forward. I for example once said something ab my mothers appearence which I didn't think much about. She however got hurt and was pretty mad. I didn't understand why at all since for me it was simple pointing out something that's human and logically not a bad thing.
After some thinking and talking to someone ab it they made it clear how and why she got so upset even if the intentions weren't to hurt and simply just an observation.
If feelings aren't logical we will have a much harder time empathizing and reacting to them.
This depends of course on how Well your Fe is developed. If you have high Fe those situations can get avoided and you can find it easier to empathize.
I hope this made sense and I'm sorry of I got a little off point😭
has cameras on me I swear
INTPs don't do drama. If you're always being dramatic, then an INTP will definitely avoid hanging out with you.
And if an INTP closes the door on a relationship, you are essentially dead to them from that point forward.
@@-NFiN8- Exactly
Called out
It's hard to live with INTP personality. Most of people don't understand us 😢
I understand dude 😌
We need to start a support group 😅
Most of my family think I don't give a fuck
@@Bruhman-tf6io Hmm I understand you dude maybe it's great if you understand yourself and maybe your parents will realise you that who you're. 😌
Y’all useless low key. You don’t care to make use of your “knowledge” just want to learn for the sake of it
I'm an INTP, but I'm pretty close to being an INFP, because I do feel things very strongly and am empathetic. What makes me an INTP is I feel regardless of how strongly someone feels about something, ultimately, logic should be the deciding factor. For me, the big problem is when I empathize with someone, but they are unable, or unwilling, to even attempt to look at a situation logically... even worse when someone talks themselves into believing something to be true, when it's obviously false, or outright lies, in order to justify their illogical views.
I'm a good listener and am generally supportive. I once even had a friend tell me that in a conversation with a woman who was talking about her problems, he just sat and listened to her, rather than trying to give advice, surprising himself that he was being a "good guy" like me. We're good friends, but I wasn't expecting a compliment like that.
But, while it is important to listen and be supportive, eventually real problems need real solutions, and while it's important to keep people's feelings in mind, real solutions require logic. Sometimes the best solution can be a compromise between what is logical and what accommodates people's feelings. However, sometimes the best solution is the right one and everything else id just varying degrees of wrong.
Another thing to consider is, why don't the more Feeling people consider the Thinking person's feelings? Even strongly Thinking people have feelings.
100% agree. Thank you.
This! We value truth. A lot. I can't even begin to understand why other people prefer bullshit and self-delusion. Reality is the root of our being and is more valuable than any material object that could be stolen or any feeling that could be dissolved.
Do you have any artistic Hobbies?
I just took the personality test and got INTP. I think the biggest thing for me is being overly analytical instead of feeling. I play out situations in my head in at least 10 different ways. Then I get frustrated and give up if I can’t find a solution. I am highly intuitive but in an analytical way. Not a feeling kind of way. I have an understanding of how someone feels but I don’t really understand other people’s feelings.
I can understand that. I struggle with empathising with others. Things often become more like figuring out a puzzle, particularly social events. It's like a constant, never ending puzzle to figure out how I should respond/react to things and it's frankly exhausting.
But, if I get close to someone and they get through those initial issues, then I can care deeply for them.
Question yourself too. Most important
I definitely see where your'e coming from
Yes, I am also INTP and when I think of how other people feel I guess it's more a descriptive analysis than actual empathy.
INTP here and I’m also autistic diagnosed with possible very mild ASPD. (I’m not a sociopath autism is just on the same spectrum and has some similar traits). Anyway, what you guys are describing is called “cognitive empathy” intps like us often have very high cognitive empathy. We’re able to understand how something could upset someone due to our intelligence but when it comes to emotional empathy, actually FEELING for someone instead of just understanding. We struggle with that. Most of us either have low emotional empathy or next to none. However, most of us have very high cognitive empathy, sympathy and compassion!. In my experience I only struggle with emotional empathy. It’s very low for me. Not just for others but also for myself I’ll often suppress and just ignore the feelings.
They're all on point, and they're really a dark side.
I think the worst traits to us are, poor empathy makes us feel lonely sometimes and hard to keep real relationships.
And the overthinking/procrastinating making us less efficient on daily basis.
That does make sense
*No.*
*1) and 4) are bullshit.* We do not lack *EMPATHY,* we lack *SYMPATHY.* That is because Fe, our 4th cognitive function, which we tend to recognize as important... we just really suck at it AND we know it. When we see someone crash and burn in a presentation, we fully recognize how horrible that was. That's why we go logic over that bitch. It allows to move on and improve. It is the negative emotions that sparks us.
Likewise for number 4), we have ONLY quality relationships. We do not value small talk. We do not value networking (which is a huge flaw), or even reputation. We are bored and amused condescendingly by your attachment to the local team of sportsball made up from people all over the world EXCEPT their home region. Instead, we find individuals of value and cling to them. We want deep conversations that very few people are able to follow, let alone engage in. We put ourselves into ivory towers.
@@fovarberma752 you right, I made a mistake. I meant Sympathy not Empathy, because I feel deeply for others in bullied or harmed situations, but lack Sympathy for normal matters.
You put it better than me.
Yea, those are our biggest flaws and we should improve them.
There is no spoon.
Realizing that there are no friends but only long term acquaintance's that eventually leave your life only to be replaced with another. That doesn't mean we are not friendly with them only holding so loosely that when they're gone we don't mind.
The only exception to this is the spouse which is the only friend we have and need.
You can empathize with people just make their emotional problem a logical problem recently my friends roommates dog bit his dog's eye out they were coming at it at emotional point-of-view everyone's mad at each other whatever you can turn it into a logical problem who's actually to blame out of taking apart details and explaining stuff you just turn emotional problems into logical problems to help people close to you that solved some people don't like to hear that but my friends understand that I'm a calm and logical person so they accept and listen to my logical point of view and inject their emotional when they deal with it when the person
I'm an INTP, and I would be empathetic towards someone who bombed a presentation. With me, empathy is a hit or miss. If I can identify with someone in a particular position, I can easily empathize. If I can't identify, though, I can find it difficult to empathize.
That makes sense
See, I would be textbook 'it's their fault...' 'unless' I knew who the person was well enough to start feeling connected to them
That's what i thought too.
Strangely, I don't empathize with people - but with animals I do. Yes, very little intelligence and all emotions, but at least they're honest.
@@HansBezemer I like nonhuman animals better than I like people.
I took a myers briggs test the other day and was classified intp. Upon looking in to the traits and indicators of this personality types i'm shocked at how accurate a description of myself this personality type gives. To a T this is who i am. Its good to know im not just weird as fuck.
Did you make a test that shows your functions? I would find it really interesting how another intps functions may differ from mine?
@@sometimesvfx9783 - the Functions are always the same.
I wasn't aware of this MBTI being a thing until recently, but I do know that after training (forcing?) myself to feel empathy for others, my life became a whole lot better. I used to beat myself over the fact that "I'm so evil for not caring about how they (might) feel" But then I realized, THAT's probably my weakness. And for every weakness I have, I know there's always something I can do to strengthen that weakness. So I did. I practiced expressing my emotions and studying others to know what others feel. Somehow, I think my own MBTI changed in the process, but I was quite certain that there's a point in my life where I was once an INTP.
Your type doesn't change. Mbti is a tool to understand the 'how' of yourself and others. As a tool you can use it to "fix" or strengthen your inherit "weaknesses" (dark side) to be a more healthy person. Like the enneagram types help to understand the 'why' of yourself. They should be used together.
yeah i was scared sometimes of myself because sometimes when other close to me started crying I didn't feel bad for them . i didn't feel anything
@@jjschowyour type can very much change between different stages of life such as before then after college or having kids.
Also, the test was originally made for analyzing workers so keep in mind it's leaned VERY towards white-capitalist ideals to the point it may as well be a zodiac sign or palm reading for purposes outside of its original intent
I say that not being empathetic is my greatest strength... not a "dark side." Albert Einstein said, "Match the frequency of the reality you want, and you cannot help but get that reality." Empathetic people are matching themselves to other people's frequencies, which is why they are leading everyone else's life and not their own. INTPs rock! It's too bad others view them as cold.
Who cares what others think. The vast majority of their thoughts are uninteresting anyway ;-)
Unfortunately having other people like you can be very important to career or social succes. But yes, I think the world would be a better place if everyone was more logical. Then again, I have this personality, so I could be biased.
i dont think einstein said that.
frequency is literally how many times something happens over a period of time(for example a monitor refreshing 60 times per second).
the reality you want doesnt have a frequency.
i suspect people like deepak chopra or other woo peddlers said that and tried to attribute it to einstein.
@@sabin97 I'm sorry you see some of the greatest minds in history as "woo" peddlers. Perception is reality and you are welcome to yours.
@@sabin97I would argue that as incorrect. If our beliefs dictate our actions, and beliefs are thoughts we keep thinking (they are our frequent thoughts) then yes frequency of those thoughts dictate your reality. If I’m around people who cry about rich people all day and how unfair life is but don’t take action, then those thoughts could become my thoughts and eventually my beliefs if I allowed them to. Empathy is a strength for sure, but so is being able to separate one’s own thoughts and beliefs from others. So being able to logically think definitely gives this personality type a leg up because they are less likely to take on other people’s BS thoughts and feelings because they are more interested in a solution than the feelings. Hopefully that makes sense.
This is so true. I don’t do social media simply because I don’t want to waste time and effort being engaged with others. I don’t have a lot of friends, but great supportive family, so I don’t feel bad about it at all. I do tend take a backseat and engage less when work is being unfair or does wrong to me, rather than speak up, which ultimately hurts my career. That’s my biggest flaws for success. But as noted, I don’t care so much about titles, so it doesn’t bother me too much most of the times either.
Makes sense for sure, and a supportive family is great to have
I feel exactly the same way. I tend to withdraw from social situations that don't directly benefit myself intellectually. I don't really try to engage in things like small talk or go to gatherings just to "hang out" with people I don't know that well.
Remember that the list below doesn't represent every point from the video
1) Lack of empathy
2) Suppressing emotions (particularly negative)
3) Procrastination(in particular paralysis analysis)
4) Lack of quality relationships (because of social ignorance and self-prioritisation)
5) Too harsh on themselves (too much emphasis on being right and fixation on details)
I really struggled with empathy for the first part of my life. Since high school I’ve gone through a decade of extreme hardship including my girlfriend dying at 22, my daughter dying at 3, 8 more of my closest friends dying throughout, and being shot in the chest myself. I know what pain is, and now I REALLY know what empathy is.
Goddamn. I hope your life is on a better track now
Hope you're doing better. That sounds very rough.
damn... sending positive vibes your way
stay strong.
Pretty accurate, but I wouldn't call it poor empathy, it is just selective. Not saying it's good or bad, but it's a balance introverts in general need, so as long as we know others are generally okay or have substitutes, we'd rather just be! After all, they'd probably do the same if they had other things to attend to.
Fair
INTPs worrying about details? Not this one!
Now, beating oneself up, that seems to be the one I'm best doing.
Lack of quality relationships bothers me sometimes. Then the feelings just gone and am just in my head thinking about something else
INTP and INTJ is a continuum and people fall at different points between the two. I land closer to the INTJ side so depending on the situation, I may be more of a J then a P such as needing structure in my work life.
Of course having inattentive ADD and being an INTP is challenging for those you have a relationship with. I get bored easily and the more bored I am, the more I withdraw into myself to deal with the boredom since I am repressing my P side.
After taking a few courses on philosophy and behavioral psychology, I can say I have learnt to empathize with other people or maybe to understand why are they behave a certain way under certain circumstances, but I am not a shoulder to cry on, I really can't console people.
People come to me when they want a really good listener and very sensible advice, which they usually act on successfully. However, peoples tears dry up fast even when I hug them; they just seem not able to sustain the crying. I would like to be that shoulder sometimes; tears are good medicine! Oh well, at least I'm good at other things...
Knowing why people react the way the do is different to being able to deal with those reactions. It takes a special someone to be able to defuse emotional outbursts. Far too overwhelming for me mind you.
I use to think I might have been some kinda psycho when I realized that I didn't feel much for the people around me always wondered why. Then one day while playing chess an opponent out of nowhere suggest to me to take a personality test. I did and it said I was an INTP. Am just here doing a bit of research thanks for this quality video
That’s cool to hear your perspective, glad you enjoyed the video
I was told I was an INTP back in high school over a decade ago. I just remember my teachers reaction to finding out I was an INTP. Though I feel like I should retake the test since people change over time. Most of these points hit the nail on the head though.
um, you didn't say what the reaction was.
Don't you hate it when people do what you just did?
it's apparently the rarest personality type@@prometheus9443
1. yes agreed. not being prepared is a lesson learned. It was a beneficial failure.
2. Since I have a hard time knowing if my emotions are a rational or irrational reaction. It is hard to express emotions when they are actually valid. This is why I ask others.
3. oh god, deciding in a world of a million options. I am fallible, so being certain is hard when I know I can be wrong.
4. Purpose. Speak with purpose. yacking about nothing wastes energy.
5. Everything got better when I realized I am fallible. Unless I do something impulsive and seem stupid.. It's humiliating.
6. Assuming that the world is stupid will work out for you most of the time. When I are proven wrong, it actually makes me happy. I love competent, resourceful people. They are hard to find.
I got INTP but only 1% thinking over feeling 🥳
I do put a lot more emphasis on logic but I'm able to easily empathise with others 😅
I could also empathize, but only around 39/61. Perhaps if it's a best friend being humiliated, I could feel a bit sad. 😅
yeah. emotional suppression is something i've pretty much mastered as an intp.
but.
there's one particular song that brings me to tears.
when i have a lot of stressful situations where crying would be the best option, i listen to that song....and let it all out....and then carry on as normal.
when it comes to "career" i already gave up ages ago. i just go with the flow, do what is asked, and dont pay attention to promotions or raises.
Suppression of emotions is to not rock the boat further.
Is it possible to be an INTP with a lot of passion and deep empathy? I'm not good at dealing with others emotions but I feel like I want to help everyone. I've been diagnosed with ADHD
It is possible. If you go by functions Intps have Ti-Ne-Si-Fe. Fe being highly focused on others feelings and emotions. It's actually pretty common for intps being able to be empathetic and feeling how others may feel if their Fe is Well developed.
You said you aren't good at dealing with other's emotions, would you say you are more connected to what's important to you or to what's important to the group/others?
I’m an intp with adhd too and can relate. I can be awkward sometimes when people are emotional but I can also hyper focus on others in order to understand & help them
@@sometimesvfx9783 what's important to me
You're forgetting that INTPs are intuitive, not sensing types. Intuitives prefer patterns and big-picture thinking almost to the exclusion of facts or details. As an INTP, most of the points in this video did not ring true.
Thanks for the insight
Although analysis paralysis does apply to me as an INTP
You sure you're an INTP? As an INTP most of these applied to me, even more so when I was a teenager. These points are also pretty consistent with other vids describing INTPs
@@jiggyniblet4295 Hi, Jiggy. I'm fairly sure, but with tests like these, there's always room for interpretation. I took the MBTI website version and then paid a professional to place me. My results revealed me to be an almost pure INTP on the spectrum. I related to some of the descriptions of my personality. The intuitive function, however, did not resonate. Intuitives are pattern thinkers and visionaries. Details and facts are just data points in the big picture for INTPs. Watch this video for a deeper understanding of the intuitive function - Intuition vs Sensing EXPLAINED in the 16 Personalities by Frank James.
Another way to look at it is:
E = Outward; I = Inward
N = Big Picture; S = Details
T = Analytic; F = Emotional
J = Lawful; P = Chaotic (or own system)
As a intp I absolutely hate calling, it’s draining and tiredsome just interacting when I’m home because it’s also like a distraction too.
Yep. I've gotten better with time but I struggle giving comfort when I didn't receive that ever (and when I did, it just made things worse for me).
I feel so called out for the suppression of emotions. Jeezus, it's scary accurate 😂
Yep.... I'm a procrastinator. I'm either in a perfectionist or procrastinator mode. It's hard to find a balance.
Yep. I don't feel guilty. It's hard to when I don't see them as a friend.
Nope. But yes, I beat myself up a lot for not knowing something that I'm good at...
Unfortunately, yes. Like I understand that people have difficult life situations but still 😅
I would say not exactly. The inferior Fe does play a big play in making INTPs challenged to empathize. However, difficulty in empathizing actually suits more unhealthy INTPs. Healthy INTPs will most likely cherish or somewhat cherish going through the loophole or revolution in their genius zone because of their inferior Fe being more balanced out to their dominant Ti. Overall, being unempathetic is correct for INTPs, however, depending on how assertive the INTP actually is, the INTP can actually understand peoples' emotions and accept them while still preferring their dominant Ti more than anything. I am an INTP and I have been in this area of study for the past year or so, MBTI has some very interesting stuff.
Yeah yk while I was watching the video I felt it did not match me on a bit and I wondered if others felt the same. I have a lot of empathy for people I just choose when I want to use it based on the context of my relationship or experience with that person and decide whether I think they deserve my empathy or not.... I'm not about to just be feeling bad for people who I believe to be assholes and I think that's a very valid thing to do because my empathy has been abused multiple times and having empathy for others off-rip is how I got into those situations.
I try to get out of the house because I understand the importance of relationships with others... While I don't make many friends I still try to and take up offers from people that want to hang out whenever I get an offer because I believe relationships are important.... Even if I have a few friends that I stop talking to for weeks only to randomly pop back up again like nothing happened....
I do have a problem with procrastination (which I think was spot on for me but that was about it) and being hard on myself only when I'm in a bad mood other than that I'd say I praise myself quite a few times.... And I am a psychology major so that helps me a lot with empathy because learning about the brain and what it does helps me connect feelings to logic and puts them in a way for me to better understand people. I didn't even know why I liked psychology so much I guess writing this comment helped me understand better THANKS KIND STRANGER!
Most Intps are empathetic because it’s in their ego function stack. Intps want to understand the emotions of others as they want to understand everything. Ti-Fe (introverted thinking and Extroverted feeling) are on the same axis so you really can’t have one without the other. Fe is all about harmony, emotional understanding, and the feelings of others. Therefore most Intps have some empathy as it is part of the top 4 of their function stack. The main problem with inferior Fe is that is where their main insecurity and fear lies not that they lack empathy. Being insecure about how they might come off to others in social situations leads to awkwardness. However Intps actually have the ability to be quite empathetic especially over time as they develop new experiences with people. The main problem is when they hole themselves up they don’t grow their connections with others.
As such I disagree with the video that most intps lack empathy. Quite the contrary in many cases. Intps are often good empathizers but their fear of disrupting harmony in social situations based on how they think differently from others being a rare Ti user and coming off as social pariahs gives people the perception of intps as uncaring people. If anything people with low Fi in their function stack struggle more with empathy than Intps. Intjs for example tend to give 2 craps about how other people feel or understanding others feelings unless it affects them directly. Having introverted feeling (Fi) they mainly only care about their own feelings and values first where Fe (extroverted feeling) and caring about the feelings of others is their blindspot.
Hard time empathising is a tricky one because I understand other people’s feelings and I understand the reasons… If something terrible happened to someone my empathy might seem very off or fake - it’s not because I don’t feel sad for them. It’s because I am carefully analysing what should I say and what could make it worse.
Eg.: My friend‘s pet died… I know the pain and I know that this is extremely hard - I want to support them BUT I don’t want to make it accidentally worse…
You can’t just throw „don’t worry“ or „It‘s going to be fine“… Because I personally would be mad if someone would be saying BS like that…
Sooo what are the „neutral options“? This gets really tricky because I know that doesn’t matter what I say - it’s not going to make the situation any easier as there is nothing that could be done.
i agree. i can fully empathize but putting it into the right words is the difficult part.
@@rareGUNDAM_ true I understand you it's kind of different and difficult to understand/know everything in the situation when it comes to emotions but if we try to understand others and our emotions then life would be easy for others and us, at the same time ☺️.
Spot on except for the empathy part. I do feel empathy for people in situations i can relate to.
I'm an INTP, and I don't think you should be trying to explain what it's like being one when it's fairly clear you're not. We aren't cold monsters who will see someone embarrass themselves in front of an entire classroom and be like, "Ummmm actually🤓, it's his fault, and I don't feel bad for him because of this and that" An INTP that out of touch most likely wouldn't be in a classroom setting in the first place; they'd be in a basement somewhere.
I had to take the MBTI test recently at school and questioned it so i took it on two other platforms. Definitely have had my problems in life but it is refreshing to hear all this, makes me feel better about me.
This is really interesting and relatable in some ways.
I am an INTP-A (i took the test multiple times at different times in my life lol) and a Cancer (I'm not big on astrology but there are some relatable traits there)
I will say that I don't struggle too to much to empathize with peoples emotions which is likely due to my understanding of human psychology, which provides reasons to emotions that on the surface seem irrational....or maybe that would still be sympathy? Tbh the two words still confuzzle me, feel free to correct me anyone lol. Anyway there are some emotional situations that i just don't get nor care about and I'm ok with that.
On the flipside I'm pretty sure I'm some level of empath (a nod to Cancer maybe?) Once I am not drained I can be very supportive of my friends emotional needs because it's something I value. My friends come me knowing i'll listen without judgment (for the most part, so not really without. i really think people who say they don't judge are liars, the brain is literally designed to form judgments to make decisions) and I enjoy being able to help them vent or find solutions for emotional problems. In regards to the empath part there were many times i was fine, having a good day and a friend is in distress and in need of emotional support. In these situations there wasnt much talk just the "im here for you hug" and at first its warm and fuzzy and then slowly i start to feel dark clouds rolling in, then something is creeping into my consciousness...sadness? by the time the hug is over, im just like wtf just happened?? my friend has a pleasant smile now, expresses gratitude and im left feeling confusingly crappy. this has happened more than once and only with ppl i was more comfortable being emotionally vulnerable with. Im pretty sure i was taking on their emotional energy and i felt like that was dangerous tbh. While i have no problem feeling my emotions, im more of a feel it now and move past it than a bottler, i do think a key reason we are prone to protecting our emotions is because we have so little battery to begin with. I think its important to our social survival.
Lastly i do have quality relationships that i cherish some spanning over 20 years. I've had great partnerships (still friends with exes...except one) and friendships with ppl who i can rely on in tough times, who i can vent to and waste time with. It was my mission after elementary school to find my tribe. I didnt really fit in in elementary and just had passing aquaintance friendships, many situations that i look back on where ppl likely thought i was rude lol. those kids were mostly superficial and boring, so i chose a middle school much further from home that had a higher diversity ratio. I finally had a group of ppl i wanted to hang out with. Two of my friends from that time in my life im still close to today. high school and college left me with even more lasting friendships.
I will say that society has distracted some of my loved ones from what used to be important to them which does sadden me at times but the love is still there.
Lastly i dont find myself underestimating people. I really do consider many possibilities with other ppl so i dont put anything past anyone. Anyone could be capable of anything at any time and you wont know until you know.
apologies for the inconsistent grammar, I couldnt be bothered with the shift/cap and '
last thing lol, is anyone else an INTP-A? i dont think ive ever met one aside from myself
6:00 We don't prioritize ourselves over others, we just understand the intrinsically low value of our own life as a soul in a sea of eight billion more, hence; we expect that others don't care about whether or not they interact with us because of the tiny percentage of their friend group that we make up, no matter how much we disagree with that feeling, no matter how badly it hurts, because it makes rational sense.
I’m definitely an INTP--but I am very empathic. I might not understand how people feel, but I feel badly that they feel that way. I wonder where I get that from.
I am an INTP, and I agree with you on these 6 traits. I'm also 75 years old, and I have seen my behaviors (not my thinking) change as a result of my self-awareness. I imagine that this may be true of other personality types also. In essence, we "fake it" when it makes pragmatic sense to do so. I do, however. stop short of betraying my core values. This shift in outward behaviors has been gradual, and it probably is in step with emotional maturation.
as an INPT(5w4) i confirm it is accurate and i still dont gave shit about correcting the mistakes
Bad example. I'm an INTP and *I* would have the bad grades. It may be the perspective of a 30's INTP established in a highly paid career with no college degree, but I've found often that grades and whatnot mean very little in the real world unless you are in academia. I'm smart but you can't prove it I'm paper.
Also I am definitely someone who gets stuck in over analysis, but it's not so much getting caught in the details. I prefer others to do detail work. I want to be the big picture guy, and I have to be the big picture guy in my line of work.
That said, I also get a lot of satisfaction when I do get the opportunity to focus on one piece of work and I really like taking something from being "good enough" (a term I despise) to being something excellent.
I agree with everything you said here, lots of valid points
Also being highly intelligent doesn’t guarantee someone good grades
dude i feel exactly like you
@@sylviaowega3839 I was a reasonably good student in high school, but I excelled in college. The difference was that high school was just a lot of rote learning, while college was more of understanding the underlying principles and applying them to the real world. It also required more inventivity (for lack of a better word). That fit me like a glove. Fortunately, I ended up in a line of work that required this as well.
Empathy is still present to INTPs as kindness is important to INTPs. It might be INTP-Ts who are not into empathy and underestimate others. Logic explains how kindness is an action not emotion. Treating people with kindness is a mark of an INTP-A, knowing that a world the works for the good is through being kind. Turbulent INTPs may always be not seeing the ideas, that they go into facts and may not be seeing the greater picture.
i agree i am an intp -a
I'm an INTP-T, and I disagree. Kindness is important in the world, but too much can be destructive. Even then, when I encounter someone who has a destructive worldview, I'm still kind to them when I talk to them. I know that this worldview was likely pushed onto them and that they are only following it because they don't realize the bad it can cause them. It is not their fault, but the fault of those pushing it. The world needs kindness, but only to a certain extent, or else it can allow certain terrible ideas to subvert society.
I mean, I totally agree about these parts of our personality, but its really good that's its part of us. Like how we're highly introverted and don't go out on social hangouts or parties. Its waste a time. For us, time is precious. We could be doing many things other than things we DO NOT LIKE AND WHERE WE WASTE TIME.
Emotions are a colossal waste of time. An unending rabbit hole vortex of eternal pain if you will.
I work with a 'crier', randomly just bursts into tears, most of the time its because of some imagined situation that has not and will not happen. Weird.
I swear bro. I wish I could get rid of all emotions.
I have "empathy" and I care about people, that's one reason why I stay away from them.
It's difficult to have live dialogues.
To make a point, I have to explain the details to reveal the "big picture". I have to listen to and analyze the words of the other person, to be convinced that they understand the details and can discover the "big picture" for themselves.
If I "over"-explain, some people indicate that I think they're stupid. (We don't know the knowledge of others.) Sometimes I say the obvious because it's specifically important to the point.
My point is then lost to the other person/people trying to compete by comparing knowledge of something irrelevant or refusing to continue the conversation.
If I don't explain enough, some people make incorrect assumptions and don't come to the expected conclusion unless I correct and explain what they misunderstood. The point is missed or becomes dull (like a curve rather than a point).
It's tedious to talk to people who try to appear smarter than they are because they like using uncommon vocabulary. If you want to converse, then speak for people to easily understand what you're saying. I think intelligence is better than knowledge of uncommon synonyms. I'd rather think of the square root of seven than have a vocabulary contest to reveal a basic boring sentence.
I can talk for hours about my lack of conversation, the reasons and examples.
great video, but im not so shure about the last part. I personally wouldn't say I look down on them, although I somtimes find myself wondering how someone could not understand something, I actually admire those of theme how put so much effort and time into learning to compensate. I think I would not do that, because time spend vs knowledge gaind would just drive me crazy.
If the team has an important asignment. There could be a teammember holding the team back or just being the weakest.
A intp in his dark mode will be looking for ways to ditch this team member amy way he can.
There is no time to bring the weakest member up to speed. Or there is no oppertunity. Or he or she is way out of his league and a hopeless case. The ditch can be hard sudden and abrupt.
No time for feelings. The mission comes first.
The dark side of the intp is the entj in its most ruthkess form.
Yes. I have done this many times. Heh.
You hit the empathy excuse hard on this video but it’s not that we don’t have empathy. We understand it and feel it way more than you make it seem. We’re not psychopaths, it’s just sometimes we don’t care…but we understand that we’re hurtful in a way….id go into more detail but I’m driving
great video except for the last part. it contradicts with the first part. INTP's wouldn't look down on someone because of status or grades.
True, only when someone is being stupid or not putting effort into thinking more lol
@@rft1509 lol yup!
Fair point, thank you!
@@mindscopechannel welcome thank you for accept my opinion!
Yes i would think they are a dumbass inside my head and not voice it out loud. Ie oral class projects, where i did better than anyone else
As a INTP-T that now understands this, I'm making some changes (for example, my mental health was awfully affected because emotions repression and not sharing them), I'm trying to go to some parties, etc... people don't understand how much effort I have to do, to do things that are easy for them.
intp-t, too.
omg last point... this fcks up my social life. I cant find close friends cause i instantly put people it kategories by their "intelligence"...
It’s odd when it comes to empathy, even though emotions aren’t inherently logical there is a logic to how people work
Now we don’t down at someone due to have lower grades, or status; -but we do secretly don’t like 99% of the people within general population, because they are boring. Many people are also inauthentic, and violent and oppressive; and gravitate to certain ideologies and religions, in which provides them a sense of false hopes.
I feel the same way. Although i’ve changed a lot on the people thing, I always used to just hate everyone and practically close myself off from society because I thought everyone around me was stupid. Which, most are but I also usually like people a lot more once I get to know them more.
@@allyy5678 This also depends a lot on the individual, as to how open minded he, or she is. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt
@@sylviaowega3839 Yes - but also because it is easier that way. The alternative would be close to paranoia - and that is frankly not livable, either personally or professionally. But be honest, when you give someone your trust, do you never consider "Plan B" - and secretly mitigate the possible consequences?
This is very true 💯 definitely used to be very judgmental of others not so much anymore
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Yep this video hits the nail on the head... I'm a INTP and I totally agree with video ty for making it
I finally found a word for my condition.. not only am i driven by logic but also i procrastinate like crazy while chasing perfection... I have spent months researching for the most "scientific and efficient" workouts and my mind seems to be more motivated to just keep researching than actually working out. Furthermore i like rewrite a single sentence on a essay about ten times before i find it satisfactory enough, and often restart after going more than halfway coz i for no reason think its not satisfactory.
Sometimes i feel like i got mistyped but i can relate to this a lot
With your analogy to a school presentation where an INTP wouldn't feel bad about a poor presentation, as an INTP myself I would say to extend not feeling bad for whoever gave a poor presentation, I typically felt relieved now that the standard of quality was below what I was bringing to the table. It's not like I ever had anything against those people, but I never liked presenting first just in case I'm the only person with a subpar presentation. I would just feel a bit relieved without giving it much thought.
I dwell. I get stuck. If i experience an unpleasant encounter i spend the rest of the day thinking of various scenarios and what i should have done and how the outcome could have changed.
same here. then i think about how useless all the made up scenarios are and wish i could have acted differently in the moment
I laughed throughout the vid, especially "not feeling quilty" for missing events
I love missing events. Get to stay home with a beer, books and no drama. No asinine conversation. No faux pleasantries, it's blissful.
@@AsocialMelon exactly
I’m an INTP. Emotion should never get in the way of logic.
I am an INTP, never made fun or judged anyone for their grade or title. Infact it's the opposite. I listen to as many perspectives as I possibly can. My dark trait they did not mention is that I will even consider some very abnormal or perspectives that is deviant and that often can have me judged as being possible deviant or confusing about where I stand on somethings morally.
If someone bombed a public presentation I would logically think and say something like, “hey it’s not that bad” or “everyone will forget in 3 days, no big deal”. That’s using the thinking function but in a way to make someone feel better (hopefully).
I did not minimize by sadness at all, but it was the mere act of going for it on purpose that made it comfortable.
This video is refreshing due to the breaking of the monotony of robotic voices reading from scripts or just downright boring INTP videos. Thanks bruv.
Gotchu, I have a hard time watching those robot voice videos for more than a couple minutes
The hardest thing about being an INTP is hurting the people who are close to me simply because I lack the wherewithal to engage with them and outwardly show an active interest in their life. I have lost two serious relationships because my partners believed that I did not care. My immediate family has accused me of being self absorbed and unfeeling. And to make matters worse, I cannot function at all in social environments. But things are going to get better soon. I have hope.
I would think that channel like yours wouldn’t confuse empathy with sympathy. Yet you clearly did.
So let's see . I took a personality test and it came up that I'm an INTP . Is that why I practice answering a question before a conversation and I have 10 different answers?
Its So good to know there are so many of them out there.
Oh wow! As an ENFP trying to coach an INTP I have a lot to learn
OMG this is so spot on I'm scared
After watching this video, I can predict that I will have relationship issues in the future.
I did the personality test multuple times and i always get INTP-T.. so question here is do ppl like us question if we are really INTPs? or is it just me ?
Is it weird if I relate with all this being an ISTJ and Asperger woman of 29 yeard old.
Feel free to reply
Not weird at all
Being an INTP-T I totally agree every single point is true and i wish others will understand us and not ghost us
I do recall after having undergone a really bad break up, and all of a sudden delving really intensely into physics and philosophy
As a fellow INTP [A], I understand; Its easier. You can’t change the situation, so feelings about it doesn’t matter. However, philosophy (which I also love) is logical, as It helps us cope with what we can’t control and physics offers an outlet for rumination, giving a chance to explore endlessly without a chance for disappointment. Perfectly rational.
Thank you for this video.
As an INTP, I know that the overreliance on emotional thinking is the cause in the rise of leftist idiocy.
.. and when you analyze it, the philosophical foundations of leftist ideology aren't even internally consistent - or ontologically coherent.
Yep. And listening to Dogman Encounters is the reason we haven't learned how to do that thing we should have already learned how to do. 😅
I would say one thing you missed, so far as I think, is that when emotions are felt, they can be very Strong & the tendency to analyze it in hopes of solving it doesn’t help to solve it as It just needs to be processed in a way of acknowledging it, feeling it & then letting it go & not getting too hung up about it.
On the side note (even though I don’t find the whole MBTI thing as accurate, I still find it Fun & interesting like astrology), I find it completely illogical for people to not consider the importance of emotions & the value it actually brings.
This is definitely something I had to learn as I grew up but pretending to be logical is so backward as its completely ignorant of the FACT that WE ARE ALL emotional beings & cant be otherwise. I still struggle to empathize with people in some circumstances, but I can definitely tell you that it is NOT hard. That being said, I do consider myself an empathetic person & just because you got the result of an "INTP" that doesn’t mean its a FREE ticket to not develop & improve that side of you unless you don’t want to. But there are no excuses.
If youve ever learned or heard of the Law of Attraction/Assumption, you can definitely understand this to a greater depth I believe as well as facing the truth of why you NEED emotions. And if you still dismiss it as some woo woo garbage then I advise you to step back, introspect, stop adamantly believing that Science is a fact or even a concrete & unchanging Truth & Open your mind. There truly is no logic or objectivity either. Develop & listen to your emotions, reject the conditioned, yes conditioed!, thinking that emotions have no place in understanding complexities & solving a majority of the so called problems faced by most daily.
as an INTP, I have to admit this is pretty accurate / descriptive of me in a good way. I feel less crazy and not alone. but I guess we're still a little nuts
6:50 What is this "trusted friend" thing you are talking about? 🤔
I've grown up surrounded and drowned in 'feeler' sorts, so I've managed to get more 'empathy' than I know what to do with, so now I'm also beating myself up over not knowing how empathetic I should be. How much is too much, or too little, etc. It's a bloody mess.
I'm an INTP and I can relate to all of this but....we can change things. I don't underestimate people cause I've practiced not to, I was hard on myself but then I started meditation and self compassion...I used to speak more logically than being emotional but with time I've found a balance. I didn't used to express my emotions but then I tried to, it is hard for me to express till now cause I don't understand what to say, is it logical but I try. I do care about others emotions now.
As an INTP
The example you used first was the worst possible
Now, being aware that other INTPs might be different just because you just said it, but personally I understand that feeling of embarrassment, sometimes I'd have no knowledge of a presentation and I'd need to take small pieces from other's presentations and just talk my way into passing...
I succeeded every time
Tho if the student did know about the presentation, then it is mostly their fault
I'll understand embarrassment, but as someone who was there and passed without knowing the presentation being a thing, if you knew, and still failed, it's your fault
not sure how i found myself taking the test today, but i came out as an INTP and have found it to be remarkably accurate
I just found out and this helped me out so much!
0:06 even tho my grades suck
i love hearing this XD
I can be the most social person you could meet in certain environments though its drains me and im general I prefer to be introverted. This tends to throw people off.
Listening to this kind of made me feel guilty and sad. I'm an INTP who hates most of these sides, yet I still can't stop my actions, either subconsciously or not. I know most of these sides were bad, and I hate to think that this also makes me a bad person. On the other hand, I also wanted to try accepting that "THIS IS ME", although it mostly gave me anything but benefits to go through life.
Start thinking independently. You've been given a great gift. It's time you start to use it.
I’m an intp artist, I learned a lot of the foundational knowledge quickly but art is still about the felt sense and weed cured that for me 😂
IMO the presentation example doesn't require a response at all. I've seen many nervous people do presentations and never thought it was because they didn't prepare enough. Generally the only thing I thought was "Well, this is going to take a while".
Different situation if they made a clear techinal or logical mistake.
I might be overstepping, but I think the first one might be wrong. I find it easy to put myself in someone else's shoes and understand where they're coming from. Sympathy though, that's a bit difficult as it involves feeling something over someone else's feelings, which sounds pointless to me honestly.
Attention to details rather than big picture wouldn't be S rather than N?
Social event logic: Company Picnic.
Am I being paid to attend? No.
Could I be reprimanded or fired for my actions at the event? Yes.
Conclusion: Don't attend event.
Lack of empathy. No, maybe too much empathy, leading to a desire to avoid people
so that their feelings to overwhelm my own. Which makes a lot
of sense because the Fe function is in the inferior position. Your feelings overwhelm mine, and I can't express either very well. So I'm not to be very present emotional or mirror you. The only thing the inevitably comes through clearly is annoyance and anger, or boredom, even if I'd rather it didn't. I'd love to beable feign interest.
On the other hand, I'm am not thinking about your feelins very much when you are not present. I think this fits well with Ne being the auxiliary function. My imagination is focused on what is externally present. Out of sight, out of mind. Which might also explain the tendency to procrastinate, and it also suggests a solution. Need to somehow bring the task into to the present enviroment. Like preparing the workspace before hand. Or having a specific space for the task. Any external reminders that can't be overlooked.
Ooooohhhhhh that's why I shouldn't say bad things about meee
To keep others safe
One question! What do you mean by friend? 😂
Here I was thinking about something else like those of us that aren't so nice.
Im sure there's still some grandmothers out there still using me as an example of what not to be only to their grandkids this time.
intp like me .. i never start any argument, i don't deal with it .. when someone is mad at me i'm just silent because it's waste of time explaining my side coz i know i'm the one whose right and explaining would just going to drain me. i'm just right there .. ignoring .. walking around like as if your not there haha. That irritates them even more haha.
but if i am force to a situation with no escape .. that's the time i fight them with facts !! with proof ready in my hand to shut them up.
I definitely suffer from analytic paralysis, but I would not consider it procrastination. If I am actively thinking about the best way to word, write something or build something I am not doing nothing I am thinking about the thing which is doing somethign not physical but I am not thinking about anything or my personal life. I am thinking about the subject at hand. Which is undervalued if people cared a little less about quantity and a bit more about quality the world would be in a better state.
I totally agree with you, but also you still stuck with thinking trying to dig over and over to get the best result or option, instead saving some time and get doing it.
It kills the efficiency and progressing!
Also, i found the more you think about it, the less likely you end up doing it
because we INTP have strong deep thinking, we kinda live through the thing inside our mind, making the motivation to do it in the real life lesser. That's my experience.
@@rft1509 Well of course it depend on the quality required and also the importance of that task and the consequence of not being able to complete the task in the amount of time allowed. If the amount of time is short and the consequence don't matter to your superior, than I guess you can force yourself to work but it just rubs me the wrong way. I am often asked to help with projects from my supervisors but sometimes I feel like they keep complaining that nothing changes and that result or bad but nothing is done about it. No one has the balls to challenge the authority and tell the higher up No that's makes no sense here is how it should be.
@@Barthenn i was talking more generally when you have the free choice and time, but at work for sure your resorces and time are limited, therefore you have to well get to know how much time you have and what your tasks are ought to be.
And about challenging the Authority, i myself have no problem find the best way to tell them how things are should be done (more experiences make you more flexible and insightful on how to tell that without making conflicts)
I only accept authority blindly, if they have more knowledge than me and I'm in the process of learning.
@@rft1509 I've been told by others that I lack tack and often can hurt others feeling at my work place but I don't think feelings should be important when discussing important matters. That being said, I don't aim at insulting or being rude. I don't want hurt anyone and so I try, and I have been trying harder to choose my word more carefully. I just hate walking on egg shells. Love it when someone just tells me to speak plainly or tell it how it is.
@@Barthenn I understand you. Personally, I would care about the feelings of my coworkers only when i really care about them. My point was about the boss situation was, you want to state your opinions to stand on your ground and looking for promotion by showing character and own insight, but also not challenging them, because no boss would like that lol and instead of consider you more they will cut you short lol
My ideal thought is, it's important to know one's personality type to help him understand himself and others better, but he should also work on his weak sides and find the right balance as much as it can be, to be satisfied and find fulfillment.
Sorry if i went off topic, just liked to have that discussion 😀
As INTP I don't know how to describe it precisely but it's like I am empathetic but in a logical way not emotional. Like I just don't feel it but intellectualizing empathy is what I do in a way....