Do NOT Buy a 4k Monitor Until You Watch This (Featuring TastyPC)
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I loved working on my 40" 4k, but gaming was rough. It was just too big. So, I decided to keep downsizing (that seems to be my theme these days thanks to my upcoming move). I picked up a very sharp-looking Gigabyte M32UC 32" 4k 165 Hz VA monitor. It had HDR 10 that worked well, great contrast, and looked really good in games. However, I just decided to return it. Why is that? I'll explain everything in the video.
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For years I haven't understood how anyone couldn’t see the huge difference between 1440p and 4K. So discovering that Ward with a 1440p actually has the same sort of PPD as me with a 4K monitor because he sits halfway across the room and I sit quite close finally made everything make sense.
This is still a huge topic with so many factors, so sticking to the short voice clip in the video was actually quite challenging.
Like for example with powering the games, newer titles can have DLSS and FSR 2.0 which can allow you to render at 1440p but upscale and output in 4K. So you don’t necessarily have to have the GPU horsepower for native 4K rendering to be able to get some image improvements over a 1440p display.
I also find high resolution displays can visually transform older titles into looking a bit like modern indie titles with retro art styles. I really like the effect!
I think for me if I was buying a new setup, I’d want 4K at 32” or above. I have a 32” 4K ProArt monitor and it’s great. However if I needed a 27” display due to space constraints, I’d find 1440p to be too low res. So 27” is a strange size where for me it’s too big for 1440p but too small to take advantage of the increased real estate of 4K. I’d always rather have too many pixels than too few because I’d never complain that my image is too sharp, but could complain about the opposite.
I could talk forever about this topic as I’m used to just hearing “4K is dumb” and having to fight people on it lol.
Thank you Ward for letting me derail your video, it was fun :)
You said "at just 7 inches" and I started to cry.
Lauren's voice is so relaxing. Been on a Saturday night bender and cannot sleep with a Sunday night hangover! Earplugs in and put one of Tasty's vids on my phone and am straight to sleep 🙂 Beat's listening to my Mr's Darth Vader snooring routine as well !
Maximum fps with least motion blur matters most to me with a good resolution. 1440p 27" 240hz like the super fast VA odyssey G7. Shooters getting as close to 200fps as possible like say in Far Cry 6 or Division 2 etc. Motion blur on flat panels is just disgusting so i want as little as possible. What with forced TAA games don't look like native res anymore anyway. 4k TAA is disgusting and blurry so unless you can turn AA and get proper pure native it's daft for gaming especially getting gross low hz motion.
To me, 27" 1440p is a too small diagonal for the resolution, I have to strain my eyes no matter how far I sit, really similar to 21" 1080p, even a bit worse. 32" 1440p and 1080p 24" are good for me. 27" 1080p feels terrible, huge pixels, similar to an 19" 1366x768. But I have poor eyesight and have to use glasses with huge diopters, prisms and such. For using 4K as a monitor, I'd have to use a 50" panel like my TV. Tried that, but I hate having to turn my head around to see stuff, that'd be terrible for gaming. I'm not talking gaming here but web browsing, reading text, programing, designing, calculating - tasks that require focus.
@@marijanovic191x7 Have you tried increasing the scale?
Great advice im subscribing very interesting points, what do you think of curve monitors is it a bit more immersive?
Now, how much does a proper monitor calibration using a calorimeter like the Xrite Colormunki Smile or Datacolor Spyder affect this?
I never felt I needed a 4k monitor.
What monitor stand are you using for the monitor on the left?
Keyboard shortcuts help a lot with moving stuff around and not worrying about weird resizing: WinKey + SHIFT + left or right arrow to move it to the next monitor if you're on Windows.
I've been using power toys with the fancy zones and love it... But I still drag things around at times. I'll see if I can get used to this.
Is a 240hz 1080p monitor is okay for an rtx 4090 with i9 13900k or I take a 4K monitor
Good advice, great examples, and Loz calling Ward a muppet. What more could you ask for in a video? 🤭
ASUS TUF Gaming VG35VQ . I currently have this 3440x1440 monitor. I am looking to get a better monitor with higher refresh rate and better tech. The current monitor lacks the vibrant colors that I see on oled. I was looking at 4k but not sure its right for me. I like to play rpgs and games like Fortnite, COD etc.. In addition I will be doing lots of zoom calls and email type work on the new monitor.
I measured 61cm when leaning into the monitor to type. It gives me a scaled PPD of 52. Would I be better off going 4k for mixed use? I really enjoy the Ultrawide during gaming. I would need upgrades to my GPU and CPU in the future to play the newest games at 4k. 5800x3d and 7800xt 32g of DDR4
Hey FYI for your scaling issue (at around 17:00), you can actually use VSR or DSR to run your 1440p screens as 4K, then have everything scaled the same. I run all my 1440p screens with 4K VSR w/ games using DLSS/FSR 2.0/FSR Quality as it's basically free 16x AA.
Last time I tried it on desktop, it looked pretty bad... but at the moment, I don't feel any need for it. I'm more about getting extra real estate and less about getting sharper text and all that.
This is the only video that really helped me to know in fact which monitor should I get regarding size and resolution, thanks a lot! I just sub and liked!
The problem with resolutions is not the blurriness, but the type of texture and AA the games use. Because a high PPI and a small screen for 1080p can look just as sharp as 4k-28inch if the textures are optimized for 1080p just as it is for 4k.
This answered a lot of questions, thank you!
Great video Logan 💯
My sweetspot is a 25" 1440p display, but unfortunately when I wanted to get gsync I had to move up to 27". It's not awful or anything but it is slightly too big for my peripheral vision.
There's really only one reason why you might want a 4k monitor in say 27-32 inch size with scaling - font rendering. This is especially true on Windows where even if you tweak Cleartype as much as it allows you, a lot of time smaller fonts come off kinda pixelated and ugly/uneven on 1440p (or lower, but don't do that to yourself if you care about text). You don't necessarily see the individual pixels (I know I don't on my 1440p 27"), but you do notice the irregularities and stuff like that where say one of the stems of a letter looks somewhat bolder and/or distorted compared to others (which, if you're someone like me, will drive you crazy). 4k with scaling solves this, because the fonts render a lot bigger as a result and hence there's a lot more pixels available to work with, resulting in more even looking and sharper fonts.
And also sometimes 4k video does show more detail than a 1440p video, even with these smaller screens. Especially given that many streaming services fall back to 1080p video on 1440p monitors as there's no actual 1440p version of the content and they don't allow you to downscale from 4k to 1440p.
But yeah, other than these two, 4k on smaller screens doesn't make a lot of sense.
i'm a 40 year old, so i sit back with my feet up on the desk. 1440p and 31" monitor is fine.
Nice video, the two perspectives and views are a great idea and fun to watch 😊. I am on a 1440p 144hz display at the moment but I might have to rethink that now 😅😊.
It really is all about how far away you sit and how sharp you want things to look. I kinda like rough text lol
Really happy to find this video. Im thinking of getting an oled 4k monitor for single player games, but mostly for movies/shows. I watch those in bed and I was guessing on what size monitor I would need. Now I have a better ball park on what I should be looking at.
3:25 can i ask the name of the game? Thanks
What is the name of that game with that girl running through Tokyo?
Even today I would go with high refresh rate 1440p over 4k60.
I have a neo g7, 4k, 1440p acer, and an s95b tv all hooked up and I don't get that stutter issues draging things. My 4ks are 150 and 1440 is 100.
Ward, I am looking at getting Eye surgery. Curious when you did yours did you travel for it, id love to learn more as here in the Midwest...they seem just a tad behind in tech on it. They just started smile and I wonder if there is better places I should go across the US instead and or suggestions 🍻
The doctor who did mine had to delay me twice because the software hadn't been installed yet.. so I was like patient 2. It was a bit of a struggle and there was a second doctor from San Francisco in the room... My right eye took 11 min... Left eye took 6 because he learned my eyes a bit. It's far more manual than LASIK... So my right eye had a lot of internal bleeding for the first couple weeks... No big deal but it was wild. It took about 3-4 months to heal... I bad vision for a while, but it's so worth all that. I'd say to let the doctors learn the stuff first. It's the same laser as lasik, but the doctor does the shaping, and it feels terrible lol... I'd think it'll be fine, but I wouldn't want to be patient one.
Great video! This really helped me decide between a 1440p vs a 4K monitor for my gaming computer and game dev/3d art/programming setup. I think I'm going to go with 1440p (two of them, maybe three).
Btw as for the emulators, try a crt filter with retroarch. You can find some really nice realistic CRT filters for retroarch to simulate CRT very closely.
I know this is late, but outstanding video and information. Thanks!
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To avoid that it's easier to just press the keys super (windows) + shift + left or right arrow.
70cm (leaned back) from the screen and a 1440p 34" Dell U3415W (6 years of using it now) and actually the reason I want to upgrade has nothing to do with the topic at hand. The 60Hz panel is the reason. I played trhough Cyberpunk 2077 with this monitor and I'm really curious about the new QD-OLED. Something like the Alienware AW3423DW used around 1000€ will be most likely my next one.
Great video! A lot of people forget to think about monitor distance. I used a 4k laptop for 2 years, and seeing the blurriness/pixels on my 1080p monitor bugs me. I still notice the blurriness/pixels after using my desktop as my main PC for over a year now. 32inch 1440p has the same problem. For productivity, bigger to stay at 100% scaling is definitely the way to go though.
For gaming, my favorite thing about higher resolutions, (I have no idea how this works in the game engine) almost every game scales the clarity on distant stuff based on your resolution. Stuff in the background/distance looks way less blurry at higher resolutions. Even on my 1080p monitor, upscaling games to higher resolutions look incredibly clearer because of the way many games scale distant objects based on resolution. I encourage everyone to try this on the games you play that your GPU can handle higher resolutions.
Excellent my Fenek mouse arrived in the UK, with a free DVD, sweets and stickers. I hope your move goes well brother, long may the vids continue.
That X-Star monitor was a throwback! Been watching you since and i still have my Xstar monitor!
@Tek Syndicate The annoying monitor issue you are having is with "Snap windows." Turn off or modify this setting in Windows to correct the issue. I just reproduced the same issue on two identical resolution/scaled monitors in my 3 monitor setup and it happens between them as well. Of course, you can use a work around which is to do a quick drag of the window over to the other screen and it won't try to snap to the nearest edge.
Also, to let people know a 32" 1440p is similar to 24" 1080p when it comes to pixel size. And 27" 1440p is a bit smaller than 22" 1080p.
I don't like 1080p because you see pixels when close
17:30ish - I will say that I run two 24 inch 1080p monitors in portrait and a 32 inch 1440p monitor, both are at the same scaling and I have no issues because they are the same ppi at the same scaling. So that is an option for others. You touched on this later, just wanted to second it with my experience.
awsome to see you still got the old Korean 1440p monitor kicking around! I still have mine too that I bought when you and other tech people were talking about them back in the day, it's now my wifes monitor for her office computer and I got a pixio px329 when I upgraded my pc cause new graphics cards don't have the dvi port!
I'm about to move it to the epic pants computer in the garage. It's been moved around a lot, but my main rig doesn't work with the DVI very well. I really wish new GPUs still kept at least one analog port or DVI-compatible port. That pixio is a better monitor though.
I work at a Microcenter and at least once a week I get a younger or "new to PC gaming" customer who comes in and just says "I want a 4k monitor" because they think they need 4k for gaming I guess? Then you ask how much they want to spend and if it's for gaming. They usually all want to spend apx $250-300 USD tops on a 27" monitor on average. So now I have to sarcastically ask them if they "really want a 4k 60hz monitor for gaming?" and once I explain they can get a 1440p 165Hz monitor for the same price they get the 1440p every time. Not to say 1440p is better than 4k of course. But when you show them the price for a decent 4k 144hz IPS monitor they (or their parents) usually drop their jaw. Many of them don't even have the GPU to properly play modern AAA titles on High/Ultra at 4k 120 anyway. The 27" 1440p 165hz makes the most sense, for most gamers, at the average budget they want to spend, most of the time. Simple as that. The fact it's easier to drive games at 1440p over 2160p is a bonus in my book. The difference from 1080p to 1440p is VERY noticeable to me at 27" but beyond that... maybe not as much. But of course someone with x-ray vision may disagree. I run two 27" 1440p 170Hz 0.5ms IPS panels myself and love the setup. The two monitors cost me apx the same as a single 32-43" 4k 144Hz would have. Most of my PC gamer co-workers, if not all of them, are also running 1440p 144hz+ monitors. Many people think they need 4k for gaming because of 4K TV's and 4K current gen consoles being so prevalent. These same gamers probably don't even realize that many Series X/PS5 games don't run at native 4k anyway (they run at 1440-1600p or similar and are upscaled) especially the games that claim to run at 120 hz. This is my perspective from dealing with literally hundreds of potential monitor buyers and again, mostly younger and newer to PC gaming in general.
The thing that really sucks is there should be no added cost to making a 4K monitor run at 120hz, quite frankly 60hz displays shouldn't be a thing anymore, but the corporations refuse to put high performance features on cheap monitors, thus the best "value" 4K monitor ever made is still just an LG OLED TV.
@@budthecyborg4575 Maybe so. The scaler chip in the monitor definitely has to do more work to move more pixels around at a higher refresh rate. No sure how much more that really costs. Obviously there should be a price premium BUT how much is really fair? That said 1440p is still a better compromise for the average gamer with a GTX 1660 Super to RTX 3060 Ti class GPU I would say. Gigabyte has some 4k high refresh rate 43" monitors that are a lot less than the LG OLED. The OLED is a great option though. The contrast ratio and native pixel response times are worth it for many.
@@MN12BIRD It can't be that expensive to upgrade the scalar because my Catleap from 10 years ago ran 120hz off advertised 60hz hardware.
Of course that was half the pixels of 4K so maybe saying "no cost" is a "slight" exaggeration, but not by much.
At most most the price difference between 4K60hz and 4K120hz should be $10.
1440p sucks, i regrett buying one, content like movies just look blury
@@nolandderlugner1351 Okay, and you're sure it's not because YOUR monitor's scaling or pixel response was crap? Watched a ton of 1080p Bluray rips and 4k streaming on my monitor and never once thought it looked blurry. Also considering I have a ton of friends with 1440p monitors and I've NEVER heard ANYONE say this before. That doesn't even make sense. Even downscaling 4k to 1440p isn't going to look all that much more soft to the point anyone should be calling it "blurry" unless you're pixel peeping film grain with your eye balls 8" off the panel or something. The DPI/PPI on a 1440p 27" monitor is higher than 4k is at 48" so just lean back in your chair when watching a movie and problem solved. Again unless there was something else bad about your monitor or GPU video scaling settings (and assuming your source was good) did you think 4K RUclips looked blurry? RUclips looks razer sharp on my monitors!
YAY my girl Loz! :D
I can't see pixels on my phone, but I can make out the crack, spider webbing of said crack, also the line differentiating the way the screen used to be, and the now flickering oled. It looks great! I also learned to play league with 1000ms lag. I'm nearly gold. Kids these days don't remember 8-bit nevermind game genie.
I have the LG UltraGear 32GP850 which is 1440p 32". I had two other 32" 1440p monitor before that. I never felt the need to have more pixels. I also used DSR to run my games at a higher resolution than the screen when the game is not too demanding
Weirdddd , i have 2 32" 1440p a 144 and 75Hz and a 50" 60hz 4K above the setup ont he wall. I have them all at 100% dpi normally. BUT i did what you said and changed to 150% on the 4K only, and i did not get the choppyness you displayed when moving stuff accross monitors. May have slightly stuttered the first time i did it but not like you. Display for sure was smooth after every transition over after the first. Your monitor stutterness looks unbearable though if i had that i'd definitely agree.
Mine is 70. I have two 1440p 32 inch monitors. I can't see pixels.
I'm about 40 inches away with dual 27in 4K screens and it gives me 117ppd. The only issue I have is the scaling as its very difficult to see anything at 100%. 125 is useable, and 150 is too large. If I could adjust it in the middle, it would be perfect.
that would be a reason to switch to OSX they somehow handle scaling a lot better
I use the windows button + shift + arrow keys to move windows from monitor to monitor. One of the best keybinds imo.
for some reasom "we can science this" got me...lol
Still running 3 across 1 above 27" 1080p monitors from 3.5/4ft away.. been perfect since I got them years ago! Wish more people understood this... but I guess it helps push hardware I can pick up later for cheaper =P
You had Lauren in the vid …. I thought it was a RUclips audio crossover 😂🤣😅 with a TastyPC episode 🤦♀🤦🤦♂. I considered the Alienware 👽 3421DW …. I went with the 3420DW which has a 3440 x 1440p ultrawide ratio. It, for me, has an awesome screen and colour accuracy in addition a vg PPI which is perfect for my needs, games I play and how I sit at my desk. I’ve always looked at a higher ppi when choodin* a monitor rather than BS specs like HDR400/600, MPRT/GTG RT’s/144-360hz rate (all with the same picture lol 😂 🤣😅)
I have been using an ASUS VG27AQ 27" IPS 1440p 144Hz monitor and two ASUS PB277Q 27" 1440p 75Hz monitors on a heavy duty triple monitor stand. 27 inch 1440p is the sweet spot. Just don't buy the ASUS VG27AQ unless you like having your window sizes and positions scrambled every time the monitor sleeps.
Thank you for this info. Was thinking about getting a 4k but realized its probably not worth it for me. Gonna stick to 1440p.
I think if you're not sitting 1m+ away from the monitor, but closer, you should consider dedicated glasses with maybe just +0.25 ADD for added comfort. Ask your optometrist.
1440p 27" main + old 1080p 22" side monitor is something that works for me. It better, because i can't afford nicer stuff :D They do have a very similar PPI, with 22" being slightly less dense, so similar legibility in spite of larger distance to it. I do have garbage eyes though.
Something to be said in favour of excessive pixel density to render text though. I feel it always helps, simply because of pixel grid snapping of the text shaper.
Oh also VA blacksmear. Ungh. Something to be said against that for productivity, when you're scrolling large amount of text. You want that IPS, you don't care about contrast, you want a fast monitor as well, 144Hz is fine, and short transition times. Not total response time, you wouldn't really care about that.
I hate jagged edges but I do hate low framerates much more so 27" 1440p is a sweetspot for me.
I recently switched from using a 32 inch curved 1440p monitor to a 28 inch 4k Asus monitor and I can definitely notice the difference in clarity.
I buy one of the cheapest 27" 4 k monitor in my country( they have some issue but its ok for their price) - and image quality is awesome compare to my previous 1080p and 2560*1080 monitor - im very happy use it
Whenever these videos come up I like to remind everyone to not be closed minded to the idea of a 4K TV just because of the size. My LG Oled might have been my best tech purchase ever, it completely transforms any game. The key is that you can get one as an additional display for just content consumption and then keep your current monitors for desktop use or competitive games that need higher than 120fps and a smaller screen. You just might have to rearrange your setup to make this work, if you are sure it won't work then fine, but at least consider it. Because if you can fit, it's worth it. I had not even considered this approach before I saw someone on the monitors reddit mention it, I was set on the idea that I needed a monitor and that TVs don't work for a PC.
Same; got a 48 inch LG C2 and ended up buying a six metre long HDMI cable so I can plug my PC into it from the next room. It just completely blows away my Samsung Odyssey G7 which is a very decent 1440p 240 Hz monitor. I was very surprised at the difference. Far better clarity given every pixel is self lit so you don't get any light bleed, colours pop more without affecting saturation, looks amazing at full 4K... Games still look great at 1440p on the C2 as well. I sit 6 feet away. I only get a max of 120 Hz, but with the responsiveness of OLED, and the great visuals, it is totally worth it.
Great video Logan
There's one other important metric I feel could be of use: Sight. I am near sighted so for me to sit back further away than my usual 40 to 50cm from the screen I would actually need to put on my glasses and since I can't get used to bifocals then I would need to constantly remove them to look at anything close by. So at the range I am most comfortable which is pretty close, anything under 4k would either look blurry or force me to use my glasses at home when I really prefer not to as I limit their use for going out, driving, etc.
I've out through trail and error using many monitors but settled at 32" 4k at a very close distance (45cm average) gives me a very reasonable 54 pixels per degree of vision which gets pretty close to what you quoted so pretty inadvertently accurate calculation to real life usage for me, good stuff here.
Funny thing about this...eventually (idk how old you are) what happened to me was my distance perscription got so strong that I needed bifocals because my eyes couldn't overcome the strength of correction anymore. BUT for looking at a monitor I needed a mid focal correction...yes...trifocals.
@@drwheycooler8423 I'm middle age and while my vision has gotten a bit worst in the past 2 decades it's mild enough that bifocals would work for me if I could get used to them but I prefer not to right now.
This is true.. That's why I did the bit about my vision. It does make a difference.
I have 2 1080p 60hz monitors and im perfectly fine with them. Once I upgrade my gtx 1080 I'll probably snag an ultra wide 1440 or 4k monitor.
I just got the new 360hz 1440p screen, it's pretty much got all the things I wanted, great colours, size, speed, the only downsides are that it's still Display Port 1.4 and you can't use DLDSR with DSC enabled so it's definitely more jaggy than I'm used to (I was using 4k with DLDSR 2.25x so I got used to even better than 4k resolution).
It's going to take a while before there are graphics cards/monitors that get all the things I want in them so I am going to wait a while till I can fully upgrade my PC.
Resolution is nice and all, but I rather have high frame-rates and less demand on the GPU with the current energy prices. I'm super happy with 1440p and 165Hz VRR.
I just play games on 24 inch 1080p Samsung Display cause I got it on Sale and it prefect on my Budget
80-90cm away, 30" high quality Dell Ultrasharp 2560*1600. Use for Mac and Windows. Perfect for me, besides, haven't found 4k 16:10 with quality panel I'd like...
I use a 48 inch OLED tv from LG the CX (Roman numeral) or C10 as to make it easier, going for a 4K that is a small screen imo be overkill, I don’t see the reason why you have to go 4K with a screen that is literally bellow the 30inch, seeing 40inch is a sweet spot for that and 48 inch was the best choice I have ever made.
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I still haven't upgraded to 1080p yet.
Thanks for not shooting the Bull Netch
I have a 1080p 165hz monitor from gigabyte , paired with an rtx 3070 , i play every game high ultra with 150fps without problem , i don't want to buy 2k or 4k cause i will not have smoothness i have now
I have a 4ft deep desk, and in the very back sits a 48" LG C1 and its great. I have some extra monitors too ofc including a crt lol. It is the perfect distance where I can lean back in my chair at about 5 ft for movies and when I am playing games I don't have to move my head to see everything on the extremities. Its just far enough away I can't make out pixels at 90ppi (right around 100ppd at my distance) and the dot pitch is close to high end crts from back in the day at .27mm. I can also use 4 different 24" windows on the one screen and everything is visible. I specifically didn't move to 4k for a while now as the tvs sucked before for pc use, and like you went through in this video a regular sized monitor at 4k is rather pointless. In this configuration I essentially have 4 24" monitors without bezels and its great. This sort of thing only works with 4k, and a super deep desk like mine lol.
the "voice of reason" scared the hell out of me at first 😂😂
hehe sorry
The "soft voice of reason that might kill me in my sleep if I don't stop knocking 4k," was a bit too much to say
You're my favourite I.T guy & personality; been watching you since TigerDirect. :)
You might have talked me out of 4k for my desktop but I still want the LG 42 inch OLED tv!
I find 125% scaling is perfect for my 32" 4K monitor and I sit back a little further than you as I like to lounge with my feet up. Only downside is I need a better GPU for gaming!
1440p is great, but if you want a bigger monitor than a 32 inch you have to go 4K. For gaming you can get away with a big 1440p, but for work the text just looks blurry.
I still have perfect vision and still love my 56" 1080p monitor. The ultimate gaming and solo movie theater...4 years ago =D
posting from 27 inch 5120x2880, i do not run scaling, i enjoy the full real estate of this screen, i sit fairly close to the monitor so text remains readable and ui just fine, pixels are so small i cant see them and yet the idea of retina scaling feels like a waste compared to the sheer real estate i get instead running everything at 100% this is not for everyone but its definitely the best productivity ive ever had
Do a search on "Hyperacuity" and you'll find that the 60 Pixels Per Degree "Retina" numbers Apple uses are actually just based on the density of photocells in your eyes, problem is that number has no bearing on how well you can perceive detail, 60PPD is just the bottom threshold where lower resolution screens look ugly, the opposite end of the scale where more pixels stop making any perceived difference is 5-10X higher than 60PPD (depending on your individual eyesight).
So for an average person you're going to want around 300 Pixels Per Degree for a computer monitor to match your natural eyesight.
I have a 32" 1440p monitor and it looks freaking awesome I even tried my friends 4k 32" out and it and I didn't like it. While it was a bit sharper overall, I couldn't hit framerates I would consider acceptable. If I had an rtx 4080, I would probably go with 4k though. You do reach a point where more pixels doesn't matter much. 1080p at 32" looks like garbage there is no question about that
1440p is the sweet spot for me - I have 32inch 1440p and love it.
why do people love I cancer?
You can save a lot of heartache and cost if you just don't care if you see pixels. I'm quite happy with 1080p @ 27" for work or gaming. My eyesight isn't as good as what's described in this video but even corrected with glasses I just don't care that I can see the individual dots.
At the end of the day, higher screen resolutions were always just a thing to maintain a level of quality across bigger screens, within a reasonable sitting distance. It was never about higher pixel density ratio within the same size screen as your old one, but a maintained pixel density ratio with your new bigger screen. People don't tend to think that with a bigger screen you're supposed to sit further away anyway. It's become somewhat of a pissing contest where the hardcore gamers and rich bleat on about anything below 4K being for peasants, whereas if you're running a smaller screen you don't need 4K anyway. And aside from all the factors mentioned in the video, it also makes a difference what display technology your monitor is using. Some monitors look just as good at lower resolutions due to the way they process and display pixels. Cable type and generation are another factor. Also not all operating systems even have scaling options, let alone implement it in a good way.
RUclips hates this guy, they finnaly show one of his videos after 10 years.
This is true. They probably showed you this because of Lauren! Lol
1440p PPI doesn't scale well above 27inches.
4k PPI at or under 27 inches you're not gaining any noticeable improvement.
27'' 4k /thread
Had a 4k Monitor for only a little while, it was nice having all that resolution, but once I tried a 144hz monitor at 1440p I couldn't go back to the standard 4k resolution at 60hz, and now there are 4k monitors that go well above 60hz but honestly unless you have a monster rig that cost as much a down payment to a house you are not really going to take full advantage of the 4k resolution at high refresh rates.
If houses where that cheap I'd buy 10 :D
4k 27inches at 100% scaling, 100cm away in Linux using Wayland wlroots window manager (currently dwl) around 115 Pixels Per Degree of Vision. Looks great, everything is legible. If you use 4k 27inch displays on Linux using Wayland, everything is great (at least for me)
I appreciate high PPI though, another problem is Windows/programs scaling issue. That's on them sadly and devs slack there to accommodate modern monitors. I guess that's the main issues along with preference to mostly look from afar too. Definitely everyone has preference how different view distance and requirements.
Personally I don't want to see screen-door effect on a monitor any longer, phones, tablets, laptops have much higher PPI for their size even and view distance, even if you glue your head on them.
Also TVs for their size/distance too are solid. Even on a 4K monitor you still need a bit of AA because you can still see aliasing.
Monitors need to catch up in a way. I'm not even sitting super close, about arm length or so, yet can still notice pixels. Let alone if I want to get closer, even worse. I do tend to read and look at details and stuff for work, or really just in general say aside from text in games like AAA detailed games, can really look nice and crisp on 4K monitor that is not huge.
Just writing this from arms distance from a monitor I notice low PPI and pixels everywhere on 27" 1440p display. I've seen 1080p, 1440p, 4K on all 24", 27", 32". I liked 1440p on 24", 4K on 27", 1080p on larger than 24" looks horrid, same 32" 1440p too. At least that's me. Just too low PPI though. 32" 4K so far seems the be good, we just need good scaling on Windows for everything.
TLDR; monitors need to catch up to at least 4K as standard up to 32" I'd say, but with proper scaling, that thing is an issue needing to be fixed. Then with proper scaling we can talk higher resolutions too, 8K would be amazing and I don't mean it on like those 42"/48" ones but at like 32", adding, with proper scaling of course.
Personally I want my next monitor to be 32" 4K 240Hz and hoping to see QD-OLED as well. Samsung already has that spec LCD but it's also curved so no for me. So we wait. :)
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What software does give you problems under windows?
@@lostintechnology1851 be it like adobe or other suits and programs that don't accomodate higher ppi diaplays. Even windows it self with some stuff.
@@StaySic4Ever Really? I was only using PS and it was no Issue with 4k. Mainly I use VScode and Davinci Resolve plus all the MS Admin Tools at Work and really no Issue. Do you have different Resolution Monitors?
@@lostintechnology1851 i do. But depends what sizes. They are not some huge TV like some have. While mostly it can be fine for me too, it's still odd that OS can't treat scalling better for example.
had a LG 32" 4k monitor for years, just died recently but honestly i preferred using my dell 24" 1200p monitor more than the 4k one because it was just to big imo atleast it was for the desk i use its not super deep. edit i just measured my eyes are about 28 inches from the screen.
1440p is what I use on my 32" inch monitor & I also have a 1080p 27" inch monitor which is just good enough.
I’m really not very knowledgeable when it comes to displays, but I’ve got a 32” 1440p and a 34” ultrawide 1440p monitor and I’ve been super happy with them. I only wish more games supported ultrawide, but at least I have the other monitor to use.
The problem occurs when you've seen 4k and get used to it then go back to 2k. I felt the same way about 1080p never thought I'd need anything more but then I got used to 2k and I can't go back to 1080p especially at 28 inch or higer and now the same has happened with 32 inch 4k.
I picked up my 4K 27" Samsung monitor from someone for $120 because they picked up 3 1440p monitors for a steal of a price. I honestly have never gone back. My girlfriend has a 32" 1080p monitor, and my friend has two 27" 1080p monitors and they look really blurry regardless of how I look at them or at what angles and I have 20/20 vision. I think I've become too adapted to the sharpness and clarity of 4K that everything just looks washed out, and a big pixelated, blurry mess, even at 1440p :/
I personally feel I've never needed anything over 60Hz and to all the elitist with there 144Hz+, you guys can have it. I've personally felt what they are like as I use to work at a Best Buy and I'll admit, it feels amazing and smooth. But I'm somewhat of a graphics whore and so 4K, High settings and I feel emersed in anything I do. Most games I play I can play on my overclocked 3050 at 4K High between 45-60 fps as I don't play new releases. Is 4k necessary, absolutely not. Is it pretty, hell yeah. I think people need to find what is it they personally like whether it be fast and smooth or pretty, clean and sharpness. I have become a stickler for pixels over the years and while I hate that personally, 4k helps get rid of most of those pixels so I'm not distracted playing games.
This is why 8K resolution is appropriate on all devices.
If you take the IMAX standard "Viewing Distance Equal To Screen Width" then most people watching movies in bed on a 12" iPad will already have IMAX "Field of View" (seriously, measure how far away your face is from your tablet screen next time you're in bed watching Netflix), and logically that means we should also be running IMAX resolution (which is actually higher than 8K but for reasons of practicality we should just stick with 8K).
I "downgraded" from 4k to 1440. There was a noticeable decrease in crispness, especially with scaling. HOWEVER, going from barely pushing 4k@60hz 16ms on low to 1440p@180hz 1ms on high-ultra is such a laughable increase in overall quality and usability.
You should get a RTX 4090 gpu if you're using a 4K monitor IMO.
@@Shadowsmoke11 I'll gladly let you buy me one.
I sit 81cm from a 1440p 27" and it looks good but 27" 4k looks better. I love 240 hz though so 1440p it is. I sometimes feel it looks too big on some game types. Not like i'm going 24.5" 1080p 360hz though as that would make AAA games look gross and they don't have wide gamuts or semi decent HDR like my Samsung odyssey G7.
Edit:i'm a pure gamer so desktop being small don't care, lean forward and boot game.
I use NEC 'digital signage' 😁
They are amazing🤯x4 40" (2 of them as single 80" display) they can daisy-chain via display port!
You can find them for great deals. Scored mine from a Sephora for $100each during the shutdown.
Looking to get 4 more (video wall) when I upgrade my PC!! Highly recommended!
Whoa... What's the refresh rate on those? Is there a model number? I'm curious about this now lol
@@teksyndicate 60Hz. The series is called MultiSync, and the model is P402.
The other model I was looking at for an upgrade is the X464UNS-2, it has a bigger screen with a slimmer bezel.
NEC's are also on eBay for couple hundred bucks and they retail for like 5k lol.
There is also the NEC Raspberry Pi Compute Module available!
i dont do 4k when i got a 4k tv too upload my videos from i used a 4k tv for a while till i got my 1440p monitors my upload speed was slow slow ass fuck at 4k 60 fps i do not know why but my 1440p videos they upload fine .
i used to think that getting a 4k and then using scaling was throwing money away, but trying it right now i don't agree with that anymore. it's important to remember that scaling does not equal a "stretched out lower res". 4k set to 200% scaling looks much better than 1080p at the same size.
also, even an aggressive 175% scaling gives more screen space than 1080p. so set it to 125-175% when on the desktop, and play native on a game.
also i recently did a 42inch WOLED 4k monitor, (LG C3) and that's just too big for monitor use. the edges are so far off from viewing angle distance that even on OLED i was seeing some distortion. i might ideally i might aim for 36-38 inches if you're trying to keep scaling to a minimal or not at all.
final note: 2160 is divisible by 1080, so if you really needed the extra frames then the pixel downscale would at least be accurate and not approximated.
27 inches? i am using a 21.5-inch 1080P 60hz monitor. i will assume a 21.5-inch 1440p is quite worthless.
IMO my 4k 32 inch monitor is much sharper looking than my 4k 27 inch monitor, idk why but it just looks sharper to my eyes, they're both made by samsung and they both have pretty much the same OSD settings, but the 32 just seems sharper, maybe the VA's contrast on the 32 is adding to the perceived sharpness compared to the lackluster contrast ratio of the 27's IPS panel.
This video really speaks to me because the British lady who lives in my head convinced me to buy an LG C1.
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I thought I didn't need a 4k monitor. But I bought one anyway to go in the center of two other 1440p monitors. Now I own 3 4k monitors. And I'm never going back.
Got cheap monitors of about $500 so I could get 3, and passed on pancy features and high refresh rates, and I don't regret it.
21 inch and bellow 1080p is fine, 21 to 28 1440p is perfect (this is ideal for desktops) and 32 inch and above 4k, if you want to replace a massive wall in your house with a screen then maybe 8k
I'm glad that TastyPC has been active again, too many milktoast guys in bros clubs making the same content for years and years.