Speaking for myself, at the time of writing this, I am 42 years old. If I think about how many times I have sinned, and the fact that I am even alive and writing this comment, I have absolutely no reason to call God severe. One prayer that I have learned not to pray is “God, give me justice”, because if God were to give me what I deserve, I would be in the lake of fire, and He would be 100% righteous and just in sending me there. I know that, but in my limited understanding, and I mean my VERY limited understanding, of the holiness and the justice of God, I haven’t even got a clue of how gracious and merciful God has been toward me, and when I think about the fact that He saved even me, I can’t call Him severe. I can only call Him merciful and patient. In society, we talk about “tolerance”, and we have the gall to say that He needs to be more tolerant? How long have they lived? How many times have they drawn breath since they committed their first sin? How many times have I drawn breath since my first sin? Is God “intolerant”? NO!!! He punishes sin, and final judgment is looming, but He hasn’t been anything but patient with me, and with the whole world.
i don't know why bur RC Sproul JR doesn't make many sense to me. Stephen Nichols gave awesome answer and he spoiled it. Thanks to R.C Sproul his father for correcting him.
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory There are ppl made for wrath and some for mercy but all for his glory
As far as what we need to do to become a Christian is very clear in the new testament. Here are the steps that will lead you to salvation: HEAR THE WORD: Romans 10:17, Matthew 7:24-37 BELIEVE: Hebrews 11:6 Mark 16:15,16 REPENT: Acts 2:38 Acts 17:30, Luke 13:3 CONFESS: Matthew 10:32, Acts 8:36-37 BE BAPTIZED: Acts 2:38, Mark 16:15,16, 1st Peter 3:20,21, Acts 10:48, John 3:5. REMAIN FAITHFUL: Revelation 2:10.😊
You have got to ask yourself the question: If God damaged 90% of people on Earth to Hell for eternity because of a single action from Adam. What would have happened if he was fast to anger
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@@5solamic_holda Are you really that much without understanding? REPENTING FROM SIN IS NOT WORKS. WITHOUT TRUE REPENTANCE FROM SIN YOU WILL GO TO HELL . MAYBE YOU ARE ABLE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD.; 26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
@@5solamic_holda Why do you not understand? A person is going along , lost in sin in the world going on their merry way on the highway to hell. Maybe people are praying that they'll be saved The Holy Ghost begins convincing/convicting them of their sin, They start thinking about their life, and what would happen if the died. They Holy Ghost is working on them, maybe someone comes up to them telling them about Jesus, but they just shrug it off but then they can't stop thinking about what if they did die, would they go to heaven? They become obsessed with all these thoughts and about what they've been doing, partying and hanging out doing some drugs on the weekends, getting drunk and picking up girls etc. they start feeling guilty night and day. they think Okay what's going on , what is this? There's this one crazy guy at work he hears talking about Jesus all the time. He goes reluctantly and begins asking the guy questions about various things he's heard about Jesus and the bible. When he was a kid he went to some vacation Bible school thing with a friend. The guy at work tells about Jesus and what he did for us. He says yeah that sounds great but I still love my life, I'm having a great time, but by and by he just gets desperate, he shake off what's happening to me?. One day he's home alone and says OKAY JESUS, I CAN'T GO ON LIKE THIS, HE FALLS ON HIS KNEES WITH A REPENTANT HEART AND BEGS JESUS TO SAVE HIM AND HELP HIM QUIT ALL HE'S BEEN DOING. JESUS SAVES HIM.
@@AustinGonder isn't it possible that you're actually called t9 be part of the wicked if the Father purposely makes people for destruction? Think about it. Where's the assurance in that? Right, there is none. Calvinism is another gospel Period full stop
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory There are ppl that are made for mercy and some for wrath but all for his glory
@monadavis1746 so what if you're called for destruction then? In your theory you have no assurance that you're actually called for heaven if you believe that God purposely makes for hell out His perfect will. For it's the Father's will that All would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish 2 peter 3:9, 1 timothy 2:4. You have no assurance of your own salvation because of potential that you could be called to burn so as a result you say look at what I'm doing I must be saved while the Bible teaches that it's a gift lest any man should boast ephesians 2:8-9. You condemn yourself with your own words. What makes you special that Christ only died for you and a few elect? How are you better than your neighbors? Isn't that pride? God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. Think about it. Your choice determines if you get saved just like everyone else. How can man be held accountable for not accepting Christ when it's only up to the Father and personis forced to believe, if it was the case everyone would be saved because it's His will that all would come to knowledge of forgiveness.
@monadavis1746 what if it's possible that you could actually called to burn? In your theory it's possible right? S as a result you try real hard saying look at what I'm doing I must be saved while the Bible teaches that it's a gift lest any man should boast ephesians 2:8-9. It's the Father's will that all would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish 2 peter 3:9, 1 timothy 2:4. You have no assurance because you have ne rest that God has called you to heaven or not. These are the facts regardless if you don't know scripture says that whosoever.
I often wondered about these strange hostile undertones that Jr. would bring to the panel, particularly with Steve in the cross hairs; no longer do I wonder.
While Sproul might think we don't know God, I wonder why he thinks he has anything more? His take on Christendom is simply just another guy giving his opinion. Sproul is just another preacher. Wherever he is preaching you can be very certain that there are preachers in the pulpits in his own town would have a whole different spin on the story. We all have to always remember that Protestant Christianity is just another split in a religious group. We split from Catholics 500 years ago. They split from Judaism 2000 years ago. That's not mentioning every single denomination type. There are thousands of splits (denominations) in Christianity. We just don't want to call all the splits "splinter" religions, but it's exactly what they are. Christianity is fast approaching a cliff that drops very far once you jump. You land in the fun place of cults. Numbers are the only thing that separated Christianity from cults and that divide narrows every year. In summary, preachers like Sproul are dangerous. He knows tons of stuff that he absolutely knows most of the people he preaches to are never going to read for themselves. It gives him a "credibility" advantage to preach in authority about subjects people just won't go home and study very much on their own. It's like being in elementary school and reading a book report to the class. At that age they will believe anything and see no need to do any of their own reading/ study. The kids generally just believe whoever is talking without much question.
Aren't you special. You few are saved so who cares about anyone else. I dont see God's humbleness in these preachers . Judgementleness and no comoassion
1:15 Sorry, the late Dr. Sproul is being inconsistent with his own "meticulous, exhaustive divine determinism...I.e., "his famous, no rogue molecules" theory.... If he is right about that, there is only one reason Adam sinned...it was God's decree and his own 'choice' had nothing to do with it at all. Adam did not actually "rebel" against God, he simply performed according to God's decree. To say otherwise would suggest he had free will, and if man's free will would be a threat to God's "sovereignty" today, after the fall... it would have been no less threat to it in the Garden. And, before he passed away, Dr. Sproul eventually came to this same conclusion. Previously, he had maintained we did not know why Adam, made 'perfect' living in a "perfect" world sinned... However, he eventually realized that is a dog which will not hunt. And Calvinist consistency requires God ordained Adam's sin before he was created. In this video, it's laughable that he would declare "What's wrong with you people?" with such 'indignation'.... 🤣🤣 Seriously, NOTHING is WRONG with anybody if there are no "rogue molecules" and God is in absolute control having unchangeably ordained from eternity past ... "whatsoever comes to pass".🤦🏻♂️ It's nonsense. Either he's hoping the audience isn't thinking... or Dr. Sproul isn't.
God did not decree for Adam to sin but God already knew since time immemorial that Adam would fall in sin and has already planned out Jesus to die for everyone thousands of years later.
@@Rexjamir6431 Foreknowledge is moot in Calvinism. If God truly has unchangeably ordained 'whatsoever' comes to pass, and as the WCF maintains, this is never regarding his 'foresight', it is not possible that what God 'knew' has any bearing. John Piper maintains that God 'knows' the future because he 'performs' the future. THIS is consistent Calvinism. "II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he NOT decreed any thing BECAUSE he forsaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. " WCF CHAP.3 IF it is suggested that Adam had a free will to choose not to sin, it is obvious his free will was no more or less a threat to Gods "Sovereignty" in the Garden than Calvinism maintains it would be after the fall! But, Calvinist's deny man's ability to choose to do well in spite of God's conversation to the contrary with Adam's first born, Cain, in Gen.4. In his later years Sproul came to accept that God did in ordain Adam's sin. It's the only logical position and, if God ordained Adam's sin, it was God's perfect will and Adam could not do otherwise. His son also writes; “God desired for man to fall into sin. I am not accusing God of sinning; I am suggesting that God created sin.” - RC Sproul Jr., Almighty Over All,, page 58 In his book, Almighty Over All, R.C. Sproul Jr. writes this statement: “We cannot imagine God looking at His wrath like unwanted pounds He wants to lose, if only He had the power. No, God is as delighted with His wrath as He is with all of His attributes. Suppose He says, ‘What I’ll do is create something worthy of my wrath, something on which I can exhibit the glory of my wrath. And on top of that I’ll manifest my mercy by showering grace on some of these creatures deserving my wrath.'” Consequently, we have God ordaining every abortion, as well as every pro-life demonstration against abortion. As Calvinism defines God , He's both the Arsonist and the Fireman. And their only response is "it's a mystery" "don't' think about it." It's not complicated. If Calvinism is true, God is simply playing Checkers with himself using men as pieces on the board.
@@Rexjamir6431 Try reading the book of Romans as written, and without presuppositions imposed by Reformed/Calvinistic theology. Read it as a narrative letter without regard for chapter and verse markings. Consider to whom it was written and why. Do not be 'triggered' to impose meanings out of context because of assumptions which are not in the text. Resist focusing on a particular verse to the exclusion of the overall context. Romans is primarily the message from Paul to the Jews,, (but not only the Jews), that salvation is now available to both the Gentiles AND the Jews through Faith in Jesus Christ and not the works "of the law". It is not about God choosing the salvation of one individual over another, but God's plan to bring salvation to the world as he promised to Abraham that all people would be blessed thorough his seed. It is about bringing Jesus to the world, and redemption to whosoever will believe through faith in him. Reading Rom. 9 without proper context and consideration of the rest of the book, especially chap. 11, and even other passages throughout the Bible which make clear the true nature of God makes it possible to miss the true meaning of Paul's message.
The Westminister Confession of Faith says God ordains whatsoever comes to pass. The concept of "no rogue molecules" is that nothing occurs without God's permission. So if God is not in control and not soverign, then he is not God. God gave mankind free will. God doesn't change man's free will nor does man change God's will. History recalls the destruction of millions of people by the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin whereby God didn't interfere with their will. The doctrine of Devine Concurance is whereby God works to a given outcome different then mankind's intentions. God is always in control and working to effect his plan. We can take the example of Jacob's son Joseph. Jacob had 12 sons but showed his love for Joseph by giving him a beautiful multi colored coat. His brothers were jeleous. They ment great harm to Joseph and sold him to a passing caravan. However God had a different plan for Joseph which placed Joseph 2nd in power in Egypt, utimately setting the future foundation of the nation of Israel. God's plan and mankind's plan are often completely different
“We should teach through substitutionary atonement and double imputation and the confessions and creeds and blah…blah” Or…..You could simply say “If you believe with all your heart that Jesus Christ is the Risen Son of God, then you will be saved. You and your house.” Toss your confessions and creed pamphlets in the garbage, dust off your Bibles and teach solely from that. Stop trying to overcomplicate the Gospel with man-made theology.
"Even the demons believe, and they shudder" You should feel ashamed for telling people to live in ignorance and ignore the rich history and wisdom the church has given us over the past 2000 years
I believe Sproul did not understand the question right. I believe the very reason why the question included the notion of why the punishment was so severe is EXACTLY because the punishment for Adam's tasting the knowledge was EVERLASTING HELL. People go to HELL after they die, don't they? Why do they go there? When did this begin to happen? and the answer is after Adam tasted the fruit of knowledge.
@@adrianhenry4621 Listen to how he begins to explain how God could have given Adam and Eve infinitely worse punishment than He did. Why would he say that if he would understand the question? He clearly did not get it and this is why he got so angry. If the questioner would be more precise and ask something like this: how can a finite and extremely limited being, who has no idea what is good or bad yet, deserve never-ending pain, suffering, and misery after failing to obey one command? To this question, Sproul would not get angry but would have to think very seriously about what to answer without sounding foolish.
Thats passion not angry, and the fact the questions are from the audience sometimes we ask question that not in the way we want to ask, and Sproul give clarity on what should be the real question and I see through this Q And A, Sproul was getting to real point of the questions and giving the real answers, not the answers we want to hear.
The answer was, they did not die immediately but alive and sacrifice was made to cover their nakedness. In His time, He came and crushed Satan's head and gave victory over death to those who believe in Him and deliver from the eternal hell.
@@drnp4me The point is that what Adam and Eve did lead almost all humanity into hell and the question was why such a harsh punishment, why hell itself.
@Bruh-er2ju Possibly, maybe you will come to truth someday. I used to be a calvinist so I know what I'm talking about. People who want truth get truth, people who don't won't.
@@Bruh.151and yet, there are 2 still separate terms in common use today amongst Christians, Calvinists, Protestants, Baptists etc alike. What's is the difference between the 2 that keeps us from using the 2 synonymously?
What kind of Christian would wish good riddance on a fellow brother in Christ? Arminians and Calvinist are both Christians. No bible believing Spirit filled follower would wish good riddance on another brother. Search yourself my friend, you are not displaying the Fruit of the Spirit.
Of whom are you referring to ? R.c.? I would hope that isn't the case because he was merely defending GODS judgement on man for our disobedience. So it would seem to me your issue is with GOD and not RC.
I believe Sproul did not understand the question right. I believe the very reason why the question included the notion of why the punishment was so severe is EXACTLY because the punishment for Adam's tasting the knowledge was EVERLASTING HELL. People go to HELL after they die, don't they? Why do they go there? When did this begin to happen? and the answer is after Adam tasted the fruit of knowledge.
@@nikokapanen82 Adam didn't just 'taste' the fruit of knowledge, he defied the living and most holy God by disobeying his commands, for which any punishment God deems as appropriate is justified
@@jacobthomas8498 What do you actually mean by him defying the living God? He tasted the fruit of knowledge, that was it. What did that cause? Did that destroy half of the universe beyond repair? What exactly happened?
What's wrong is RC's lack of understanding of scripture. Where in scripture does it say man defied God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil . To say man defied God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is saying man sinned before eating the fruit. It wasn't until after man ate of the fruit did he start to defy God. Just another instance in which RC showed his lack of biblical understanding and lacks scripture to support his answer. The sad part is all the people who thought RC gave a great answer.
Didn’t God command Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? He certainly did. (Genesis 2:17). So by Adam disobeying Gods command , is that not defying??
Did the serpent deceive Adam also? Did the woman talk Adam into eating? Did the woman after her eyes were opened deceive Adam into eating? We don't know, but to say Adam defied God by eating is biblically incorrect. There is no scripture that clearly and plainly says Adam defied God. To say there is to read into scripture something that is not there. It becomes opinion. @@ncrogers10
RC Sproul was correct using other scripture to inform what happened in the garden. The scripture is clear that the basis of sin is the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life attributed to the fall in the garden. The scripture also says, “As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.” It also says, “In Adam we all die.” The psalmist writes “I was born in sin and in sin my mother conceived me.” We obtained our sin nature through Adam and this affects ALL people. There was only one rule and they knowingly broke that rule. Not only were they sinners they obtained a sin twisted nature propelled to sin that passed on to everyone born of Adam. Romans 5:14 (KJV) [14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. FERGUSON: Sin, transgression, and iniquity are different words in the Old Testament. Most of us are familiar with the Greek term hamartia, meaning “sin,” which conveys the idea of falling short of the mark. We are made for the glory of God, but sin causes us to fall short of the mark. Transgression has the very basic idea of crossing the line. God has given us His law, and we cross the line. Iniquity has the sense in Psalm 51, for example, of “twistedness.” There is a twistedness in us as a consequence of this. All of these words are different angles of one and the same reality: our disobedience to God, our againstness, our hatred, our diversion from Him. www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/what-is-the-difference-between-sin-transgression-and-iniquity
Speaking for myself, at the time of writing this, I am 42 years old. If I think about how many times I have sinned, and the fact that I am even alive and writing this comment, I have absolutely no reason to call God severe. One prayer that I have learned not to pray is “God, give me justice”, because if God were to give me what I deserve, I would be in the lake of fire, and He would be 100% righteous and just in sending me there. I know that, but in my limited understanding, and I mean my VERY limited understanding, of the holiness and the justice of God, I haven’t even got a clue of how gracious and merciful God has been toward me, and when I think about the fact that He saved even me, I can’t call Him severe. I can only call Him merciful and patient. In society, we talk about “tolerance”, and we have the gall to say that He needs to be more tolerant? How long have they lived? How many times have they drawn breath since they committed their first sin? How many times have I drawn breath since my first sin? Is God “intolerant”? NO!!! He punishes sin, and final judgment is looming, but He hasn’t been anything but patient with me, and with the whole world.
Well said! God Bless!
Well said bro. God bless you 🫶🙏
Amen brother!
Indeed. Very well said and spot on.
Amen, brother!
Profession of faith is not necessarily possession of faith. Nicely said.
i don't know why bur RC Sproul JR doesn't make many sense to me. Stephen Nichols gave awesome answer and he spoiled it. Thanks to R.C Sproul his father for correcting him.
Great moments of this great Christian
Truly, it would’ve been worse if God wasn’t merciful.
Amen, Mr. Sproul.
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory
There are ppl made for wrath and some for mercy but all for his glory
Wow, I wonder how jr felt being publicly corrected by his dad. Also it’s really sad what happened to jr
What happened?
@@Dw-Chi_Town Do a google search: "The Roys Report - R.C. Sproul Jr."
All have sinned including the preacher
We like sheep have gone astray!
RC really makes a good point as does the bible. It's not only what we say.
Whoever wrote this question was a great troll 2:23
As far as what we need to do to become a Christian is very clear in the new testament. Here are the steps that will lead you to salvation:
HEAR THE WORD: Romans 10:17, Matthew 7:24-37
BELIEVE: Hebrews 11:6 Mark 16:15,16
REPENT: Acts 2:38
Acts 17:30, Luke 13:3
CONFESS: Matthew 10:32, Acts 8:36-37
BE BAPTIZED: Acts 2:38, Mark 16:15,16, 1st Peter 3:20,21, Acts 10:48, John 3:5.
REMAIN FAITHFUL: Revelation 2:10.😊
I love RC Sproul!!!❤❤❤
You have got to ask yourself the question: If God damaged 90% of people on Earth to Hell for eternity because of a single action from Adam.
What would have happened if he was fast to anger
Amen!
If you're here for this part of the video 1:40 You're welcome
I want to know who wrote that question?
They may have been a new believer.
Adam and Eve did die that day, they died spiritually,which is separation from God
You Are Absolutely Positively 100% Correct MountUpLikeAnEagle !! Shabbat Shalom , Happy Blessed Passover !! LOVE BROTHER ADRIAN , A MAN AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART !! AMEN AND AMEN !! ❤️🕊️🐑😇 🙏 🇮🇱 🕎 ✡️ ✝️
WITHOUT TRUE REPENTANCE FROM SIN THERE IS NO SALVATION.
Without Grace from God , there is no salvation. Stop placing your trust in your works of repentance. Put your trust in the work on the cross of Christ
@@5solamic_holda Are you really that much without understanding?
REPENTING FROM SIN IS NOT WORKS. WITHOUT TRUE REPENTANCE FROM SIN YOU WILL GO TO HELL .
MAYBE YOU ARE ABLE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD.;
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
@@mountuplikeaneagle just saying if you say your saved because you repent , you diminish the grace that bought you.
@@mountuplikeaneagle repentance is a gift from God.
@@5solamic_holda Why do you not understand? A person is going along , lost in sin in the world going on their merry way on the highway to hell. Maybe people are praying that they'll be saved The Holy Ghost begins convincing/convicting them of their sin, They start thinking about their life, and what would happen if the died. They Holy Ghost is working on them, maybe someone comes up to them telling them about Jesus, but they just shrug it off but then they can't stop thinking about what if they did die, would they go to heaven? They become obsessed with all these thoughts and about what they've been doing, partying and hanging out doing some drugs on the weekends, getting drunk and picking up girls etc. they start feeling guilty night and day. they think Okay what's going on , what is this? There's this one crazy guy at work he hears talking about Jesus all the time. He goes reluctantly and begins asking the guy questions about various things he's heard about Jesus and the bible. When he was a kid he went to some vacation Bible school thing with a friend. The guy at work tells about Jesus and what he did for us. He says yeah that sounds great but I still love my life, I'm having a great time, but by and by he just gets desperate, he shake off what's happening to me?. One day he's home alone and says OKAY JESUS, I CAN'T GO ON LIKE THIS, HE FALLS ON HIS KNEES WITH A REPENTANT HEART AND BEGS JESUS TO SAVE HIM AND HELP HIM QUIT ALL HE'S BEEN DOING. JESUS SAVES HIM.
The blind leader the blind. Anyone who says that God purposely makes people for Hell doesn't have the knowledge of the simple gospel
Proverbs 16:4
@@AustinGonder isn't it possible that you're actually called t9 be part of the wicked if the Father purposely makes people for destruction? Think about it. Where's the assurance in that? Right, there is none. Calvinism is another gospel Period full stop
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory
There are ppl that are made for mercy and some for wrath but all for his glory
@monadavis1746 so what if you're called for destruction then? In your theory you have no assurance that you're actually called for heaven if you believe that God purposely makes for hell out His perfect will. For it's the Father's will that All would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish 2 peter 3:9, 1 timothy 2:4. You have no assurance of your own salvation because of potential that you could be called to burn so as a result you say look at what I'm doing I must be saved while the Bible teaches that it's a gift lest any man should boast ephesians 2:8-9. You condemn yourself with your own words. What makes you special that Christ only died for you and a few elect? How are you better than your neighbors? Isn't that pride? God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. Think about it. Your choice determines if you get saved just like everyone else. How can man be held accountable for not accepting Christ when it's only up to the Father and personis forced to believe, if it was the case everyone would be saved because it's His will that all would come to knowledge of forgiveness.
@monadavis1746 what if it's possible that you could actually called to burn? In your theory it's possible right? S as a result you try real hard saying look at what I'm doing I must be saved while the Bible teaches that it's a gift lest any man should boast ephesians 2:8-9. It's the Father's will that all would come to knowledge of forgiveness and not willing that any should perish 2 peter 3:9, 1 timothy 2:4. You have no assurance because you have ne rest that God has called you to heaven or not. These are the facts regardless if you don't know scripture says that whosoever.
R C Sproul looks like William Shakespeare
1:36
I often wondered about these strange hostile undertones that Jr. would bring to the panel, particularly with Steve in the cross hairs; no longer do I wonder.
What do you mean?
While Sproul might think we don't know God, I wonder why he thinks he has anything more? His take on Christendom is simply just another guy giving his opinion. Sproul is just another preacher. Wherever he is preaching you can be very certain that there are preachers in the pulpits in his own town would have a whole different spin on the story. We all have to always remember that Protestant Christianity is just another split in a religious group. We split from Catholics 500 years ago. They split from Judaism 2000 years ago. That's not mentioning every single denomination type. There are thousands of splits (denominations) in Christianity. We just don't want to call all the splits "splinter" religions, but it's exactly what they are. Christianity is fast approaching a cliff that drops very far once you jump. You land in the fun place of cults. Numbers are the only thing that separated Christianity from cults and that divide narrows every year. In summary, preachers like Sproul are dangerous. He knows tons of stuff that he absolutely knows most of the people he preaches to are never going to read for themselves. It gives him a "credibility" advantage to preach in authority about subjects people just won't go home and study very much on their own. It's like being in elementary school and reading a book report to the class. At that age they will believe anything and see no need to do any of their own reading/ study. The kids generally just believe whoever is talking without much question.
read Dale Allison instead
The real question should be…” what’s wrong w/ Catholic Calvinism… bc the answer is….” RVERYTHING
Aren't you special. You few are saved so who cares about anyone else. I dont see God's humbleness in these preachers . Judgementleness and no comoassion
Grouchy man.
Overabundance of SILLYNES!!!!
1:15 Sorry, the late Dr. Sproul is being inconsistent with his own "meticulous, exhaustive divine determinism...I.e., "his famous, no rogue molecules" theory.... If he is right about that, there is only one reason Adam sinned...it was God's decree and his own 'choice' had nothing to do with it at all. Adam did not actually "rebel" against God, he simply performed according to God's decree. To say otherwise would suggest he had free will, and if man's free will would be a threat to God's "sovereignty" today, after the fall... it would have been no less threat to it in the Garden. And, before he passed away, Dr. Sproul eventually came to this same conclusion. Previously, he had maintained we did not know why Adam, made 'perfect' living in a "perfect" world sinned... However, he eventually realized that is a dog which will not hunt. And Calvinist consistency requires God ordained Adam's sin before he was created.
In this video, it's laughable that he would declare "What's wrong with you people?" with such 'indignation'.... 🤣🤣 Seriously, NOTHING is WRONG with anybody if there are no "rogue molecules" and God is in absolute control having unchangeably ordained from eternity past ... "whatsoever comes to pass".🤦🏻♂️ It's nonsense. Either he's hoping the audience isn't thinking... or Dr. Sproul isn't.
God did not decree for Adam to sin but God already knew since time immemorial that Adam would fall in sin and has already planned out Jesus to die for everyone thousands of years later.
@@Rexjamir6431 Foreknowledge is moot in Calvinism. If God truly has unchangeably ordained 'whatsoever' comes to pass, and as the WCF maintains, this is never regarding his 'foresight', it is not possible that what God 'knew' has any bearing. John Piper maintains that God 'knows' the future because he 'performs' the future. THIS is consistent Calvinism.
"II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he NOT decreed any thing BECAUSE he forsaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. " WCF CHAP.3
IF it is suggested that Adam had a free will to choose not to sin, it is obvious his free will was no more or less a threat to Gods "Sovereignty" in the Garden than Calvinism maintains it would be after the fall! But, Calvinist's deny man's ability to choose to do well in spite of God's conversation to the contrary with Adam's first born, Cain, in Gen.4.
In his later years Sproul came to accept that God did in ordain Adam's sin. It's the only logical position and, if God ordained Adam's sin, it was God's perfect will and Adam could not do otherwise.
His son also writes; “God desired for man to fall into sin. I am not accusing God of sinning; I am suggesting that God created sin.” - RC Sproul Jr., Almighty Over All,, page 58
In his book, Almighty Over All, R.C. Sproul Jr. writes this statement: “We cannot imagine God looking at His wrath like unwanted pounds He wants to lose, if only He had the power. No, God is as delighted with His wrath as He is with all of His attributes. Suppose He says, ‘What I’ll do is create something worthy of my wrath, something on which I can exhibit the glory of my wrath. And on top of that I’ll manifest my mercy by showering grace on some of these creatures deserving my wrath.'”
Consequently, we have God ordaining every abortion, as well as every pro-life demonstration against abortion.
As Calvinism defines God , He's both the Arsonist and the Fireman. And their only response is "it's a mystery" "don't' think about it."
It's not complicated. If Calvinism is true, God is simply playing Checkers with himself using men as pieces on the board.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT what is your opinion on Romans chapter 9
@@Rexjamir6431 Try reading the book of Romans as written, and without presuppositions imposed by Reformed/Calvinistic theology. Read it as a narrative letter without regard for chapter and verse markings. Consider to whom it was written and why. Do not be 'triggered' to impose meanings out of context because of assumptions which are not in the text. Resist focusing on a particular verse to the exclusion of the overall context.
Romans is primarily the message from Paul to the Jews,, (but not only the Jews), that salvation is now available to both the Gentiles AND the Jews through Faith in Jesus Christ and not the works "of the law". It is not about God choosing the salvation of one individual over another, but God's plan to bring salvation to the world as he promised to Abraham that all people would be blessed thorough his seed. It is about bringing Jesus to the world, and redemption to whosoever will believe through faith in him.
Reading Rom. 9 without proper context and consideration of the rest of the book, especially chap. 11, and even other passages throughout the Bible which make clear the true nature of God makes it possible to miss the true meaning of Paul's message.
The Westminister Confession of Faith says God ordains whatsoever comes to pass. The concept of "no rogue molecules" is that nothing occurs without God's permission. So if God is not in control and not soverign, then he is not God. God gave mankind free will. God doesn't change man's free will nor does man change God's will. History recalls the destruction of millions of people by the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin whereby God didn't interfere with their will.
The doctrine of Devine Concurance is whereby God works to a given outcome different then mankind's intentions. God is always in control and working to effect his plan. We can take the example of Jacob's son Joseph. Jacob had 12 sons but showed his love for Joseph by giving him a beautiful multi colored coat. His brothers were jeleous. They ment great harm to Joseph and sold him to a passing caravan. However God had a different plan for Joseph which placed Joseph 2nd in power in Egypt, utimately setting the future foundation of the nation of Israel. God's plan and mankind's plan are often completely different
“We should teach through substitutionary atonement and double imputation and the confessions and creeds and blah…blah”
Or…..You could simply say “If you believe with all your heart that Jesus Christ is the Risen Son of God, then you will be saved. You and your house.”
Toss your confessions and creed pamphlets in the garbage, dust off your Bibles and teach solely from that. Stop trying to overcomplicate the Gospel with man-made theology.
"Even the demons believe, and they shudder"
You should feel ashamed for telling people to live in ignorance and ignore the rich history and wisdom the church has given us over the past 2000 years
The Ben Matlock of the Reformers.
I believe Sproul did not understand the question right. I believe the very reason why the question included the notion of why the punishment was so severe is EXACTLY because the punishment for Adam's tasting the knowledge was EVERLASTING HELL. People go to HELL after they die, don't they? Why do they go there? When did this begin to happen? and the answer is after Adam tasted the fruit of knowledge.
Sproul understood the question so much, that he shows us why the punishment was so severe.
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Listen to how he begins to explain how God could have given Adam and Eve infinitely worse punishment than He did. Why would he say that if he would understand the question? He clearly did not get it and this is why he got so angry.
If the questioner would be more precise and ask something like this: how can a finite and extremely limited being, who has no idea what is good or bad yet, deserve never-ending pain, suffering, and misery after failing to obey one command? To this question, Sproul would not get angry but would have to think very seriously about what to answer without sounding foolish.
Thats passion not angry, and the fact the questions are from the audience sometimes we ask question that not in the way we want to ask, and Sproul give clarity on what should be the real question and I see through this Q And A, Sproul was getting to real point of the questions and giving the real answers, not the answers we want to hear.
The answer was, they did not die immediately but alive and sacrifice was made to cover their nakedness. In His time, He came and crushed Satan's head and gave victory over death to those who believe in Him and deliver from the eternal hell.
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The point is that what Adam and Eve did lead almost all humanity into hell and the question was why such a harsh punishment, why hell itself.
I love the fact he was miserable. His calvi-boy tripe took over his mind. Good riddance.
Lol, the disrespect.
calvinism is just another name for biblical christianity 😑
@Bruh-er2ju Possibly, maybe you will come to truth someday. I used to be a calvinist so I know what I'm talking about. People who want truth get truth, people who don't won't.
@@Bruh.151and yet, there are 2 still separate terms in common use today amongst Christians, Calvinists, Protestants, Baptists etc alike.
What's is the difference between the 2 that keeps us from using the 2 synonymously?
What kind of Christian would wish good riddance on a fellow brother in Christ? Arminians and Calvinist are both Christians. No bible believing Spirit filled follower would wish good riddance on another brother. Search yourself my friend, you are not displaying the Fruit of the Spirit.
What a sicko this guy was, so full of pride.
Of whom are you referring to ? R.c.? I would hope that isn't the case because he was merely defending GODS judgement on man for our disobedience. So it would seem to me your issue is with GOD and not RC.
I believe Sproul did not understand the question right. I believe the very reason why the question included the notion of why the punishment was so severe is EXACTLY because the punishment for Adam's tasting the knowledge was EVERLASTING HELL. People go to HELL after they die, don't they? Why do they go there? When did this begin to happen? and the answer is after Adam tasted the fruit of knowledge.
By calling sproul full of sinful pride you are also saying that God is full of it too, since he is answering the question how Hod would
@@nikokapanen82 Adam didn't just 'taste' the fruit of knowledge, he defied the living and most holy God by
disobeying his commands, for which any punishment God deems as appropriate is justified
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What do you actually mean by him defying the living God? He tasted the fruit of knowledge, that was it. What did that cause? Did that destroy half of the universe beyond repair? What exactly happened?
What's wrong is RC's lack of understanding of scripture. Where in scripture does it say man defied God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil . To say man defied God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is saying man sinned before eating the fruit. It wasn't until after man ate of the fruit did he start to defy God. Just another instance in which RC showed his lack of biblical understanding and lacks scripture to support his answer. The sad part is all the people who thought RC gave a great answer.
Thank you. I agree
Ammm, it was not an apple 😂 so he is without understanding 😂😂
Didn’t God command Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? He certainly did. (Genesis 2:17). So by Adam disobeying Gods command , is that not defying??
Did the serpent deceive Adam also? Did the woman talk Adam into eating? Did the woman after her eyes were opened deceive Adam into eating? We don't know, but to say Adam defied God by eating is biblically incorrect. There is no scripture that clearly and plainly says Adam defied God. To say there is to read into scripture something that is not there. It becomes opinion. @@ncrogers10
RC Sproul was correct using other scripture to inform what happened in the garden.
The scripture is clear that the basis of sin is the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life attributed to the fall in the garden.
The scripture also says, “As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.”
It also says, “In Adam we all die.” The psalmist writes “I was born in sin and in sin my mother conceived me.”
We obtained our sin nature through Adam and this affects ALL people.
There was only one rule and they knowingly broke that rule. Not only were they sinners they obtained a sin twisted nature propelled to sin that passed on to everyone born of Adam.
Romans 5:14 (KJV)
[14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
FERGUSON: Sin, transgression, and iniquity are different words in the Old Testament. Most of us are familiar with the Greek term hamartia, meaning “sin,” which conveys the idea of falling short of the mark. We are made for the glory of God, but sin causes us to fall short of the mark. Transgression has the very basic idea of crossing the line. God has given us His law, and we cross the line. Iniquity has the sense in Psalm 51, for example, of “twistedness.” There is a twistedness in us as a consequence of this. All of these words are different angles of one and the same reality: our disobedience to God, our againstness, our hatred, our diversion from Him.
www.ligonier.org/learn/qas/what-is-the-difference-between-sin-transgression-and-iniquity
what’s wrong with these calvinists? They don’t read or believe the bible. They listen to their calvinist masters instead.