PairBear That is correct! Now if that Christian permits sin and unbelief to harden their hearts, then you have a falling away. The bible is clear on that!
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........
The Bible is full of scriptures that encourage living a Godly life and warns of the consequences for those that don't. If those that choose to live a life in opposition to God will be judged accordingly, how can once saved, always saved be accurate? What's the incentive for living a life based on scripture if everyone has the same outcome? Most people that habitually commit serious sins have accepted Christ. With that said, how could a Godly person's fate and a habitual sinners fate be the same? Anyone sincerely repenting, turning away from their bad deeds and asking for forgiveness can be forgiven. However, that has nothing to do with being saved. Matthew 24:13 is very clear. It says, "the one who has endured to the end will be saved".
@@Rankings-Revealed Hi Matt! That's an excellent question. Anyone can be forgiven. Jehovah reads hearts and he knows when a person is sincerely repenting and truly desires to turn away from his or her sins. He even provides us with his Holy Spirit to assist us in doing his will. He knows that we're dust and will sin daily. The goal is not to repeatedly commit deliberate sins. Remember that King David was a murderer and an adulterer. However, Almighty God understands the true attitude and motive behind sins. Rather than have David condemned to death by human judges according to the Mosaic Law, Jehovah mercifully intervened, dealing with David and Bath-sheba himself. As long as we recognize our sinfulness, repent of our errors, earnestly beseech Jehovah for forgiveness, and ask him to create in us a pure heart, he hears and forgives. (Ps. 51:10) Never forget that Jehovah is as he described himself to Moses-“a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin.” Jehovah has not changed.-Ex. 34:6, 7. Remember that God is greater than our hearts. He loves us and is always looking for a reason to forgive us.
@Matt Fisher.. Those that choose to live in opposition to Christ...maybe are not truly saved. True belivers want to honor God and follow his instructions...and repent when they stumble.
@@diroberts4075 That's true. MOST people are interested in what others think of them. As Christians, though, what Jehovah thinks of us is much more important. After all, he is the greatest Person in the universe, and with him is “the source of life.”-Psalm 36:9. The apostle Peter explained that to have Jehovah’s approval, we need to have “holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion.” (2 Peter 3:11.) Our “acts of conduct” are holy only if we live a clean life in every way. This includes the way we think, act, and worship God. Also, we need to have “deeds of godly devotion” motivated by deep love and respect for God. So it's not only our actions, but also our feelings about God that matter to him. Jehovah is the “examiner of the heart,” so he knows whether our actions are holy and whether we worship only him. www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/#?insight
I “fell away” when I was 18 due to severe depression and then turned to drugs cope. Well 8 years later I’m finally sober and free from it all, about 3 months into sobriety the fear of God hit me like a train and pretty much has put me on my knees for 4 months. I’m now going on 8 months sober and I’ll tell you what, it’s like God has said to me “don’t you dare ever leave me again”. Hebrews absolutely terrifies me now. I’m just gonna stay this time. Haha
"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom", praise God He took you back. I was not born again but a similar story with drugs and depression and if God did not save me I would probably end my life, thank God He gave me purpose to life!!
Amen brother!! So happy to read you’re delivered from drugs. I see first hand all the time the crippling grip that drugs have. Praise the Lord for your freedom! Remain in the one who saved you, God bless you brother. See you in the clouds one day :)
This puts a smile on my face. Glad to hear you've fled drugs and run to christ instead. And Hebrews terrifies me as well, that book will sober you up fast. Glod bless you
Just a heads up I’m over 13 months sober! And basically I learned once your His, your His. Only someone who is saved would even care about losing their salvation. Just let go, He has you. I wasted so many months worried I wasn’t saved anymore. Once your His, your His.
Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?" Answer: First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9). So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail: A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed. A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18-19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ. A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench. A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”? A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13-14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory. A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies. A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2). Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4). Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5-6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home. Jude 24-25 further emphasizes the goodness and faithfulness of our Savior: “To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy-to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”
Tyler Strombom: You did a masterful job of presenting half of the story. Now, why don't you present the other half and then harmonize the two halves so that there are no contradictions? You made a small attempt at that when you mentioned two common objections. Your response indicates that you instinctively know that OSAS cannot possibly be true. You recognize that true Christians cannot live a life of sin. So the way you get around this is to declare that all Christians that fall into a life of sin were never saved to begin with. Who made you God that you can pronounce such a judgement? You define a Christian this way: "A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit" Then you proclaim that those Christians were never saved when they deliberately keep on sinning. Seems to me the only justification for saying this is to say (contrary to scripture) that once you are saved, you no longer have free will and therefore you CANNOT live a life of sin after conversion. You have more homework to do. (hint: it is not hard to harmonize the scriptures if you truly will believe and accept them all as true) BTW- I have never seen a OSAS believer attempt to harmonize the scriptures. They all w/o fail try to explain away scriptures they do not agree with. You can start with this one: Hebrews 10:26-29 (NIV) 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? How can that verse be true and all the scriptures you expounded also be true? God bless you in your study.
The bible warns that some will depart from the faith in the latter days ( you can’t fall away/de[art unless you were a part of it to begin with). The Bible warns about Backsliding (you can’t back slide if you didn’t slide forward to begin with). Also, there is reference to people’s name being blot of the book of life (your name can’t be blot out unless it was written first). Don’t forget there are numerous verses that state the following people will not inherit the Kingdom of God- For instance. 1 Corinthians 6:9 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. If sin wasn’t a big deal then why would Jesus say this Matthew 18: 8“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [b]hell fire. If you sin you are of the devil (1 John 8:44) when you ask God to change your life and you put in your own effort (James 4:7) then you are adopted into the family. God is Holy so you must be Holy, you need to enter the narrow gate and aim to be perfect as the Father is perfect; you will be sanctified and changed overtime and conformed to the image of Jesus. If you are born again you can still fall away ; Jude refers to it as being twice dead. Remember in revelation it states the devil makes war with those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of God. Now most people do one without the other; for instance, lukewarm Christians (Rev 3:16) have the testimony of Jesus but are living in intentional sin. Jews keep the commandments of God but do not have the testimony of Jesus. God requires both! Ivan tuttle went to Hell and Heaven and he said there are way too many Christians who believed in Once saved always saved, Eternal Security so they had Intentional Sin they didn’t repent of pornography, lying, stealing, fornication etc Please see the video ruclips.net/video/GsZCouCzT0U/видео.html (2 Cor 5:17 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.)
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......
Salvation is putting your faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Repent means to turn away to be in agreement with God. Saved people do not rationalize their sins.
Very well said, His true people don't rationalize sin. We call it out even in our own lives and ask God to help us rid ourselves of it. If we have the Spirit living within us, then sin should offend us as much as it does Him, and the Word says He hates sin.
what saddens me when i read all these comments is the fact that when we as christians differ from interpretation of the holy scriptures we tend to lose respect for one another. We forget that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Let us, when we address one another, do it with respect unto each other. Many of us will call some pastor false or a doctrine false or the other way around, How do you know for sure that your interpretation is the correct one. It is best to accept that you do not need that any one teaches you except the holy spirit. Let us comment, rebuke, teach in love to one another instead of getting personal and insult someones christian denomination version. Do not get personal, it is not our job to save a person but the Lord's. Let us not tie a yoke around our own necks but let us worship God the almighty in spirit because it is a beautifull thing to do. If someone rejects your version of interpretation, thats fine because its that persons choice. You have done your part in teaching, exhorting to that person. We all know the devils plan is to seek kill and destroy and to decieve so why fall for it. We as brothers and sisters in Christ are all bonded together through his love.So let us treat one another with respect.
Well said!!!!!!!! It hurts to give your opinion and someone attack you and say your going to hell because you don’t truly believe or arnt truly saved we will never 100% understand every scripture and that’s the way God intended it I think he knows that ALL of us will not fully grasp what it is truly meant to say and you can take one sentence and make it mean a thousand things so just because some people believe down to the core that they are correct in the end it’s not meant for them to know it all God will not punish us for taking a verse the wrong way we need to work together to figure out what we can and agree to disagree sometimes and move on the the next verse I do believe that if you pray enough God will eventually give you answers God knows our hearts and to me that’s what matters to him most our hearts what do they truly carry how do we treat others our neighbors our family our friends and most important strangers! Stop fighting it’s not worth it! God didn’t give us the holy word to fight and get mean with one another about I believe he wrote it as a personal message and that every believer can take it the way God sees fit for that particular time in ones life how do we not know that his messages arnt meant In Different ways for all of us? I can write I love you to my husband and my best friend and a stranger and my kids and mean it 4 different ways God is amazing so if I can take 3 words and make them mean something different for 4 difference people don’t think he can’t take a whole book and do the same for a billion!!! I Love you all God bless?
Wayne Links simply agree to disagree however, I watched a great video last night called The Law versus grace, deception... by watchman on the wall, awsome!!!! Watch whole thing and then think it over
I just want to warn anyone who wonder if you can lose your salvation, I personally had a vision while at work of me personally losing my salvation due to constant sin, the vision was clear enough to stop me in the middle of working. I don't do drugs nor drink. There is nothing more important or valuable than your personal relationship with the Lord. Don't let anyone fool you to thinking that constant sin is OK. There is nothing on this planet worth risking your relationship with Him. Please I'm begging you to stay focus and be obedient to the Lord and His will, don't be lukewarm🙏
Wow it is so refreshing to hear somebody actually speak truth and what the Bible actually teaches. It’s becoming increasingly rare in these last days to see people taking a stand for the truth. It’s getting hard to find anybody on RUclips who teaches about endurance and remaining in Christ because everybody wants their ears tickled and just to hear that they are find no matter what they do. Along with being called by God, this is the reason I just started my RUclips channel to deal with these EXACT same issues that are so misunderstood in the church today. I just couldn’t hardly find any good teaching on it so I just thought well I guess I’ll just have to put out my own. God bless and hold fast to the Lord your God! 😀
Oh and BTW I had a vision about that as well. I was stuck in constant unforgiveness and hatred over about a year period and I grew very hateful angry and bitter. God finally gave me a vision of him holding me over a cliff, and below there was a lake of fire. He said to me it’s your choice, do you want me to let go? There was a heavy weight to it and I knew there would be eternal consequences if I told him yes. And the crazy thing is I actually thought about saying yes because I was so hateful inside! But I ended up saying no and he pulled me back over the cliff and then said “then follow and obey me!”.
The Lord has made it clear that those who are lukewarm Christians will be rejected. We all must understand what He means by this and make sure we submit ourselves to His will.
"I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day". He saved me, not me myself, so if my salvation was something that could be lost that would be Him losing it not me, and we know he is perfect and cannot break his Word.
@MyKail Lewis We are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13,4:30) Meaning not even God will break the seal, you are saved until you are redeemed on the day of redemption in heaven
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........
I used to want to go to heaven. I believed for over 30 years in the Trinity. After a fallout with my son I felt alone. I realized I loved my son more than anything. Once I put God number one in my life the depression I suffered from for 20 years started to dissipate. About a year and a half later while praying for my son to come to faith the miracle of being baptized in the Holy Spirit happened to me. I now know as this Pastor says I am sealed with knowing my destination. Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Keep your faith in Jesus but just remember that the very Bible you embrace speaks negatively about 'faith alone' in James 2:24. That's the only place in Scripture you will find 'faith alone'. God bless.
Hebrews 6:4-6 NKJV For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Hebrews 10:26-27 NKJV For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [27] but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
as a note.....it does not do justice to give isolated verses out of context Hebrews 10:26 was written to the Jews basically saying that after your have heard, you must at that point realize you cant go back to the yearly sacrifice of the lambs. After Christs death, , the veil was rent in pieces, So that symbolized the end of sacrifice.. The sin is basically "unbelief" in Christ. who is God incarnate, whose death on the Cross as the Lamb of God fully paid for your sin and mine. Similar in Hebrews 6:4-6. .+7&8 . . read the context first, going back through Chapters 4 & 5 as well. It gives reminder of those who were in 'disobedience', and ''to hear His voice and not harden your heart', about hearing the first principles . In ch 6 it continues to speak about those who come close, yet revert after spending a bit of time and wind up rejecting what they heard..........example of 4-6 when condensed: "Yeah I tried that for awhile, and it did nothing for me." and then they go back to their unbelief & sins. That is what makes in near impossible to actually repent. The words "enlightened," "tasted" shows a lack of depth. Please read Verse 7 & 8 that is the picture born out of Matthew 13: 5-8 about some seed grew for a bit , then under the sun, perished , or seed among the thorns that choked them. then the seed in fertile soil that grew and bore fruit. Pray the Holy Spirit of God reaches us all.
@@lyssalouise2705 Then you have just defeated your first formula of Faith in Jesus= salvation + repentance+ works That's not faith alone. Which is why it crumbles when someone asks you (and someone did) "so you need works?" Faith alone should be faith alone, no more. Add something else and you'd be negating yourself.
“If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.” John 15:6 NIV “If you do not remain”
There are so many scriptures wich speak so clear, that you can loose your salvation, that it is ridiculous to say otherwise. You must remove whole chapters from the New Testament to not see it! The problem is thst being born again brings us to nowhere, accept we are living a born again life
TheFraBro it seems to me that what causes many to put Bible passages against each other stems mostly from 2 of the Solas i.e. Sola Scriptura & Sola Fide. I think mostly the latter. If one believes salvation is by faith alone and that salvation is guaranteed, they are forced to read Scripture through an either/or lens. So, if John 3:16 is true (and it is) then a verse like 'those who endure till the end will be saved' is ignored because once saved always saved lacks any category for needing to endure. Reformed theology just further confuses the matter. Correct theology concerning salvation is able to marry all the seemingly contradictory verses together. That can only be accomplished viewing all of Scripture through a both/and lens. Only the ancient churches before the Reformation are able to do that. So, verses that teach one cannot lose salvation are easily married to verses that say one can lose salvation. For the average Protestant mind, this is incongruent. Not so for the ancient churches. As we should know by now, the only thing the Solas has given us from is more and more private interpretation and division.
Most Protestants believe that Christians will never lose their Salvation (OSAS - Once Saved Always Saved) based on Romans 4:8, "BLESSED is the one whose sin the Lord (Christ) will never account against them."... Furthermore, most Protestants say that the Elect given by the Father (God) to Christ Jesus will never ever lose their Salvation." (ref. John 6:37-39)... It seems to me those Elect given by the Father (God) to Christ Jesus to keep had lost their Gift of FREEWILL... for God will and must not FAIL... which means those Elects given by God to Christ Jesus, guarantees that they could not make any sin or if they did sin, those sins will not be accounted for them for Christ washed them with His blood until the end of their lives on Earth so that they could be SAVED... as if No FREEWILL for them in reality... But the Bible did not support this assumption... for St. Matthew said, "Anyone who PERSEVERES and ENDURES until the end will be SAVED." (ref. Matt. 24:13)... St. Paul wrote to Timothy before he was beheaded, "I run to the fullest, finish the race, and I have kept the FAITH." (ref. 2 Tim. 4:7)... Logically speaking, why will the Elects given by God to Christ need (HAD) to PERSEVERE, ENDURE, FINISH THE RACE, and KEEP THE FAITH... if God will not let them commit any SIN accountable to them until their last breath on earth to be SAVED, for God must/should not fail?... (as Dr. White claimed) The word "BLESSED" is an adjective that gives/indicates conditions on how to be BLESSED... How?... Christians who persevere and endure to the end are called BLESSED... those Peacemakers are called BLESSED... those who hunger and thirst and poor in spirits are BLESSED... those who have not seen but believe are BLESSED...etc... (The Beatitudes) In Conclusion, Protestants are entitled to their own Opinions and Beliefs... but they were definitely wrong in their interpretation of the Biblically TRUTH without compromise... Christians can lose their Salvation, but those who persevere and endure till the END will be SAVED."... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen.
I'm thinking that your statement "Most Protestants believe that Christians will never lose their Salvation" may not be correct. I saw a recent video by an Anabaptist who, though I'm not AB, did a good job of showing a tree graph of denomination branches that embraced once saved always saved and it was a small number of branches conmpared to all the Protestant branches. Having said that, it's interesting to note that the Gospel Coalition, who I don't embrace, said that 33% of people believe they will go to heaven. That would make sense because , growing up Southern Baptist, we had a understanding that all the people around us were 'in a better place' meaning heaven. You've probably heard the same thing in your own circles. I think, no matter how we live, that could very well be a human default and, of course, a longing.
We cannot “lose” our salvation, We can walk away from it. Jesus isn’t holding us in a forced-to- -be-saved-headlock. We freely accept and we can freely reject.
@@jeffouellette9946 sin, like obedience is a choice. We don’t get to forecast what was genuine by the outcome. People get married and then divorce, do we declare they were never married?
You have just stated the opening of the Didache concerning life and death. The author admonishes his reader to chose life. Scripture says 'I have set before you life and death. Chose life'. Choosing life is not a one-time decision for Christ that gives us a free get out of hell card. It is a daily walk with Him picking up our crosses and following Him daily. If a Christian falls and sins, he needs to repent, get up, be re-united to God and keep striving to abide in Christ. We have a choice to make daily between life and death. God grant us grace to keep chosing life.
Research this one folks. GAMBLE with eternity, really? Your not alone ,we all struggle with something. Keep moving forward in faith and obedience..Love God, love each other
@Felix Mitchell First of all, we are under Grace. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. How can a saved persons name be blotted out? Jesus says, John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Pretty simple huh? Can Jesus blot out a saved persons name? No, Why? He says he wont! Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Who is a (overcomer)? Who? 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? See it? Can you? A overcomer IS a saved person. You cannot even refute the Holy Spirit! Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long is the believer sealed for? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Now on your actions, Salvation is NOT based on your actions. What actions did you have if you are saved? Either you accepted Jesus or not right? What works is that? NONE! Now on sins, Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; See it? Can you understand these four verses? If so, tell me what sins are NOT nailed to the cross. Now, look ,,,,,1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Jesus is MY ADVOCATE! How can he be the prosecutor when he REPRESENTS ME? I think you are warning me about the false doctrine YOU are posting. YOU been warned. Get saved & stop posting Jesus cannot save. He can. He will.
Vincent without holiness no man shall see the Lord....the Israelists were saved from Egypt but did not enter the promised land due to their sin and turn away from God.....so you can not lose your salvation as it is a gift and not of our own doing but we risk not entering our promised land which is heaven if we keep sinning and have no repentance....I think ppl who follow once saved always saved are folks who just keep on sinning and don’t repent. But if we do repent Jesus accepts is with open arms after we sin. Paul has a thorn in his side that God simply says His grace is enough. So this topic is a slippery slope but be warned that we are told without holiness no man shall see the lord and we are told that many will come to God on the last day professing they knew God saying “Lord Lord” I pray none of us will be in that category in Jesus name. If anything trying to live a Holy life does nothing wrong. If once saved always saved is true then we have nothing to worry about, but if your wrong ooooo boy
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........
It is obvious from scripture that salvific grace cannot be taken away from you, and you cannot 'lose' it by mistake. However, it is also obvious from scripture that one can have salvific grace one day, and not the next. So what gives? The word "lose" suggests a passive thing that happens to a person. I don't like this. We do not LOSE salvation, but we can FORFEIT salvation. God forbid that any Christian should, but some have. Instead of bending over backwards to suggest that these people were "never REALLY saved in the first place", it's much easier to show that God abides by our decision to follow Him or reject Him. We don't earn salvation for ourselves, but God gives it to us when we humbly and self-effacingly ask it of Him. Likewise, He takes it away when we demand He leaves.
Pastor John here only quoted part of the verse (or only explained part) in 1st John. It says "and this life is in His Son". Life is in Christ. If you are IN CHRIST, you have life, if you leave Christ, you will not have life. And the proof that you can leave it are all the countless warnings against apostasy to born again believers in the churches.
God help you if you look to a teacher and do not know the New Testament. There are about 80 warnings about falling away, falling from grace, etc. Trust no man with your soul. Seek them out yourself. Matthew 18: 32 “Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33‘ Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 “And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 “My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.” John 5 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you.” What is worse than being severely crippled for decades? Hell. Almost everything we know about hell, came from Jesus. Most were warnings to His disciples! James 5:19-20 (ESV) - My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. 2 Peter 2:20-21 (NIV) - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." 2. Hebrews 6:4-6 (ESV) - For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 2 Timothy 2:11-13 (NIV) -Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; 13 if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself. (this does not annul verse 12. Jesus remains faithful) John 15: 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
Warren McGrew Hi Warren. The Bible says that even our faith to believe God is a gift. We are so depraved that we are not even capable of enough faith within ourselves to believe. Paul says that if we did have enough faith ourselves than we would boast. So, our saving faith is God's faith. He gets all glory. The most difficult thing for us to accept is The Gospel of Jesus Christ. We think God is like us. He is not. He forgives and that is it. It IS finished!
Why do you give only your opinions, your spin on the scriptures? Who should trust you or me? You have been mis-taught as I was. We both have not understand the scriptures. You falsely assume in your words that "we are so depraved that we are not even capable of enough faith within ourselves to believe". You have been captured by Augustine and the later Calvinists.This was a disaster for the church. You will never understand if you believe in original sin. You must understand the beginning of God's first calling, when He dealt with Cain. Genesis 4:3 So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. 4 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; 5 but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell. 6 THEN THE LORD SAID TO CAIN, "WHY ARE YOU ANGRY? AND WHY HAS YOUR COUNTENANCE FALLEN? 7 “IF YOU DO WELL", WILL NOT YOUR COUNTENANCE BE LIFTED UP? AND "IF YOU DO NOT DO WELL", sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, "BUT YOU MUST MASTER IT.” 8 Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. Jesus told Cain "“IF YOU DO WELL", WILL NOT YOUR COUNTENANCE BE LIFTED UP?" AND TOLD HIM HE HAD TO MASTER SIN!!! IT WAS UP TO CAIN WHAT HE CHOSE TO DO!!!!! And you say""we are so depraved that we are not even capable of enough faith within ourselves to believe". Not so.
+Warren McGrew Cain and Abel being children of Adam and Eve, still had communion with God. With Cain we witness deliberate disobedience against God, and God put a mark on him for judgement. All of this happened before the law was given to Moses and before the death of Christ in time. Remember, man became worse and worse until God destroyed the entire world by the flood, excepting His choice of Noah and His family, whom God said Noah was found righteous in his time. Faith is a gift of God. Until we are made alive in the Spirit of God we are DEAD in sin. See Eph 2:1 and following verses.
Wow! You are brilliant!. Let me guess. You heard it from an angel of light. And now you are able to change the scriptures. Let me explain to you something. Your words are less than worthless. They are evil.
Blood of The King 1Cor 7:1 ¶ Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. Why not talk to your wife. She has a duty to help you with your lusts. Whether or not she has a sex drive or not, she should be willing to (as a Christian) satisfy your needs as you satisfy hers. That's part of a marriage and part of being a Christian. We think of others above ourselves. We don't want our brothers and sisters to struggle with such things and help where we can. This should be especially true in a marriage. Talk to her with love about this. Do a bible study on the subject with her. I wish you the best. God bless
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.” Ezekiel 18:24 NKJV
Is this referring to actual death or spiritual death, though? Because I’ve heard that, if you don’t follow God in this life, but are still saved, He can choose to bring you to Heaven early. This is a genuine question, so, please don’t get angry with me or anything. I just know that there’s two types of death and they’re both technically mentioned in the Bible.
jean-yves MawuTion My friend, it speaks of the physical death that the wicked man will suffer in the hands of God (v.18). That is a customary language used by people in the Old Testament times. Verse 9 expressly says that the wicked “shall die in his iniquity”; as Proverbs 2:22 asserts- “the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it”.
@@oncergirl6600 Everyone dies, so this is concerning eternity. Heaven, or tormenting hell and the Lake of Fire forever. It ties in to the scripture that reads, those who endure to the end shall be saved. The one who fell away, didn't endure to the end, and went to hell, and the one who did righteousness one day, he didn't have to endure long, only a day, but he went to heaven. He was possibly one day away from hell. God is good. The whole bible is a book of salvation, even the OT. God will show one, if they sincerely ask Him, with a good heart, or good intent.
Hebrews 6:4-6 says that a person can fall away after being saved. Notice it says those who are partakers of Holy Spirit. A person cannot recieve Holy Spirit until he is saved. Verse 6 says those who fall away after being partakers of the Holy Spirit will find it impossible to come to repentance . Which means there is a possibility of falling away. Otherwise the verse would have said it is impossible to fall away after you are saved, but we know thats not what it says.
The Bible ALSO says "every tree which does not bear fruit will be cut off". Quoting an isolated verse out of context doesn't exhaust the TOTALITY of the biblical witness on any given issue. For example, the pericope on the judgment of the nations (cf. Matthew 25: 31-46) makes clear there are people who go through life believing they are saved (Lord, Lord, did we not.....Depart from Me for I NEVER knew you), and yet AREN'T. They may have had faith, but then did not persevere until the end.
Did anyone else find his explanation extremely confusing? I feel like he twisted himself in a logical pretzel. After 8 minutes, he ends by saying, “perseverance in faith is the evidence that we’ve been made part of Christ and when that perseverance doesn’t hold, then we were never in [Christ].” How is that assurance of anything? How can you know you are saved if your perseverance in faith has to “hold” and you cannot know whether your perseverance has held to the end until you get to the end? Frankly, it makes more sense that you can be saved and then choose for yourself to walk away. Like in any family, I cannot change who my father is, but if I want to leave his house, change my name, and disown him, I have the free will to do so. It’s not a reflection on my father, it’s a reflection on me.
If you leave the family, is your father still not your father, or are you now fatherless? We are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption according Ephesians 1:13,4:30
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you...........
The assurance comes from the Holy Spirit when we are walking right. If we don't have assurance from God, something is wrong. We then need to seek God and heed what He tells us. It helps to have a good pastor and church, too.
False gospel is confusing, the true gospel is believe on the Lord Jesus and HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, it’s everlasting and there’s nothing you can do to lose it, because going to heaven does not depend on you but on Jesus. #OnceSavedAlwaysSaved
I think this is a very good interpretation of the Word. I believe a born-again believer won't "lose" salvation once he's saved, but there's a big danger: Many people falsely think they are already saved and use that as an excuse to keep sinning in the lack of fear of God. For that reason, "once saved always saved" is a phrase that must be used carefully, to not lead people into hell.
God bless you but once save always save is not true. The Bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Your salvation is something you work on daily with the help of the Holy Spirit not by your own strength. Being saved does not automatically mean one is going to heaven. We first must be saved, then transformed by the Holy Spirit and become disciples of Christ. It’s crucial to have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. God bless you.
Most Christians where I live lack fear of God, because they think they are already saved and don't need to fear hell anymore, which leads to them not really taking sin seriously. David Pawson's interpretation was that salvation is not a an immediate moment but a the process of us getting rid of sin, as we grow in faith with the help of our Lord. That kinda resonates with me. One thing is sure: while we don't deserve salvation by our good deeds, faith without works is still dead. God bless you too.
@@original_golden_egg i didn't listen to it all. I believe salvation is immediate. You don't work your way into it. Those born again crucify their flesh. Paul said mortify your members. Sanctification is also a process. Therefore being justified. Is at one point in time as well as progressive. Isaac was a child of promise it had nothing to do with his choices. We are children of promise. We became that by faith. In the operation of God who raised Christ from the dead. God's promise to the seed of abraham was unconditional from my perspective. Because Paul said the law cannot disannul the promise. And if you are Christ you are that seed. So once you receive that seed. The Holy spirit the inheritance is irrevocable. That's how I see it. It also lines up with eternal life being a gift.
What if someone walked up to your kids and started lying to them that eating rotten food won't kill them but they might get a bad feeling in their stomach that goes away soon. Lying to God's children.......what is that getting the Calvinists?
Excellent answer Pastor John! So many fail to understand that Christ paid for ALL sin, past, present, and future! And the key is this, those who are the ELECT and predestined are the ones who are truly of Him! There are so many who were led into a false conversion by emotional means especially in many charismatic circles. Key scriptures: Rom. 10:9,10,13, Eph. 1:1-14, 1 John 5:13 Many are not using proper exegesis for there must be a delineation of justification and sanctification. IF God has "sealed" (Eph. 1:11-14) how can a fallible human break God's seal? Not.
Christian Aaron Like a child who sins against his dad, eventually he will run to his dad crying and asking for his forgiveness. He knows the dad still loves him as much as ever and will readily accept his repentance. Repentance is agreeing with God that what you did was wrong, and you wish to turn away from your sins. He is the perfect Father, never will He cast you out. He will absolutely discipline you, but your His child evermore.
Andrew Jackson Sorry you’re wrong. Sounds good. But your words are from Satan. What you’re saying is even if the prodigal son hadn’t repented he would still have gone to heaven I disagree. It’s a doctrine invented by the losers of the reformation. Ezekiel 33 12-20
The problem is that the New Birth experience, like a natural birth, cannot be faked because it is the Holy Spirit who places believers into the Body of Christ following a genuine faith response to the Gospel. No one gets into the Church that was not genuinely saved. Still, there is nothing to stop them walking away due to persecution or pressure, although we are encouraged to stand firm during those times. The “they” in I John 2:19 clearly refers to people representing the Antichrist-those who “deny that Jesus is the Christ” and “deny the Father and the Son” (vs. 22-23) These were activists opposing the person, work and mission of Christ, not a believer who is defeated by lust or the pressures of life and decided to abandon his faith. Be careful of teachers who use Scripture out of context!
I think there is something to your opening statement but, since the ancient churches have always taught that the New Birth is baptism and, since the ancients churches have always taugh and practiced infant baptism, I would say the matter entails more but, through it all, I believe you are correct since the Holy Spirit is the power behind the Sacrament of baptism that causes a soul to become a member of the body of Christ. The new birth is of water and the Spirit. Thanks.
You are so very wrong! You cannot teach false doctrines!!! Once saved ALWAYS saved isn't true!!! There are so many verses that warn about leaving God's presence. You must stay with Jesus and stay away from sin. A Christian can lose their salvation. 2nd Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
I have accepted Jesus as my lord and saviour. I remember that day very well and I was fulfilled knowing that regardless what happens in my life, I have his strenght end that I can trust in him as my saviour when my time comes.......... Some time later I have falled short, went back to masturbation, porn, lying.... I have become a horrible person. This verse that you have presented makes me feel (this is how I understand it), that because I knew him as my lord and saviour, because I have accepted his gift, yet I have started to heavily sin... I can be saved no more... Today I asked Jesus for forgiveness, I have openly admitted that I was a sinner and I want to repent and trust him as my lord and saviour. I want to be saved by him, yet this verse brings me terror...
Repent of your sins, and ask Jesus to forgive you. He will forgive you. And you can get back into his grace! You're supposed to turn away from your sin, but people do slip up and as long as you repent God will forgive you.
@@tomaszdomagala7875 Please listen to these messages and examine what you have received as building blocks for your Christian faith and how you have built so you may better understand what your experience has been: True Repentance ruclips.net/video/898gI_Y6s1o/видео.html Born Again Through Repentance And Faith, @ 21:46 ruclips.net/video/sqFxkUApxXI/видео.html Learning The Fear Of God First ruclips.net/video/66_etcKtcng/видео.html I want to hear back from you. God be with you!
"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:20 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. IF your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." Matt. 5:28-30 "And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved." Matt. 10:22 “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire." Matt. 18:8, 9 "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell...And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell...And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.." Mark 9:43, 45, 47 "And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Mark 13:13 "...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-those who HAVE DONE GOOD, to the resurrection of life, and those who HAVE DONE EVIL, to the resurrection of condemnation." John 5:28, 29 "Then Jesus said to those Jews WHO BELIEVED IN HIM, “IF YOU REMAIN in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31, 32 "He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor." John 12:25, 26 "If anyone does not abide (REMAIN) in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6 "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Therefore, BROTHERS, we are DEBTORS-not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." Rom. 8:11-13 "Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD." Gal. 5:19-21 "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh REAP CORRUPTION, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit REAP ETERNAL LIFE." Gal. 6:7, 8 "But I discipline my body and bring it into submission, lest, after being a herald to others, I myself should become a reprobate" 1 Cor. 9:27 "Add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to CONFIRM YOUR CALL AND ELECTION, FOR IF YOU DO THESE THINGS YOU WILL NEVER FALL; 11 for so AN ENTRANCE WILL BE SUPPLIED TO YOU abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Pet. 1:5-11
The real question is whether a born again person will choose to return to a life of sin. Is this outside of the nature of a born again person? I believe creeping compromise is the easiest way for it to happen.
+Tim Lewis What do you mean by "return to a life of sin", because every single Christian has and will sin after being justified. Just read Romans 7, you could hear and almost feel Paul's despair that he continues to wage war against the flesh and follow its laws (by sinning) but that the law of his mind (no doubt in connection with true repentance and related to the truth of Romans 10:10-14) is there as well and because of that we are justified. Sanctification is another part of the totality of salvation, but the two are not the same and I think people confuse the two.
Jesus called me in a dream. He told me he wanted to take me with him to his fathers house. I read scripture and heard preacher and i know i am saved. I struggle still with sin, porn, Homosexual desires, and gambling. No matter how hard i try or pray these things will simply not go away or "repent", in fact when i try to resist these things IT GETS WORSE. I had given up trying to stop sinning because i cannot do it of myself, I have just surrendered and Trust Jesus with my salvation. i know his sacrifice has saved me.He will make me better, he is probably just pruning me.
The Rob TV Sounds like you have a stronghold in your life. I too struggled with porn and lust of the flesh. God gave me victory over this when I went through deliverance. You too can be delivered from this sin. Once set free, you need to learn how to maintain your freedom by staying away from anything that will cause you to sin.
Never give up hope, Jesus loves you(us) and whenever we sin we must ask the Lord to forgive us and to help us when we are weak. Forgive us ALL Lord Jesus.
“…The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.” 2 Chronicles 15:1-2 KJV
This was like listening to a piano or a guitar that is out of tune. For a pastor, such immature understanding coming from a teacher of His people. Almost every parable throughout all four Gospels, teaches a 'faith + works' path to salvation and connect some phrase like "enduring to the end", "keeping my commandments", "obeying"...always some qualifying action on our behalf. What happened to the 'unprofitable servant', or to the 'evil servant', or to 5 of the 10 virgins? What happens to the branches that produce no fruit? James 2:24, "You see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" The Greek word there that is translated 'justified' means, 'made righteous before God'. That verse would then read, "You see then that a man is made righteous before God by works and not by faith alone". Could it be any plainer than that? It is in this 'works' area of our walk that we can fail. When everything in life is just hunky-dory, it's easy to live a Christian life, but when the storms come and the going gets tough, our faith is tested, and that's when we either endure or turn back. Yes, there are those 'tares' who were never Christians and don't walk the talk, but don't be deceived - Christians have entered through the narrow gate, but now have a narrow, difficult path to walk before they "receive the end of your faith - the salvation of your souls" 1Peter 1:9. There is a world of difference between those verses that speak to works before confession of Christ and to works after confession of Christ. Works before are like dirty rags but works after are just as important as your faith is. If the Gospels all connect faith with works as the true path, then every ambiguous verse thereafter regarding salvation, must be read through the template of the Gospel's message.
Brothers and sisters God bless every one of you. I'll dip my oar in to this conversation and I pray those reading will listen. I DO BELIEVE that if you are TRULY born again, you will not lose salvation. I am speak from experience. I was working hard to get to know the Lord and I was beginning to walk in righteousness. But, when I was four months into my walk, I was at university. I still hadn't even read a quarter of the Bible and was not rooted in his word nor understood how he operated. I was going through a stormy time with God where "the spiritual high" had worn off and I didn't have a lot of spiritual support and my roommates were pagans (Nothing against them at all, they are wonderful people). But I had been praying on a husband and Satan sent me the counterfeit. And me, wanting a relationship and being so pre mature in my walk, fell for the counterfeit. I didn't intentionally up and leave God. My lover seemed pretty harmless at first. Drinking from time to time, etc. The Holy Spirit definitely warned me. I didn't understand. Beginning to fall and thinking that he was "close enough" to a man of God. We get into a relationship and things get worse. The holy spirit tells me to stop and then I begin to smoke again and then the swearing came back. I would cry upset with what I was doing and then go back to being with him. It was the biggest tug a war I have ever been through. He became abusive to me yelling at me until I cried, apathetic to me, a huge narcissist. I wasn't feeling conviction anymore and I had become stuck in a soul tie. By the time I knew I needed to go back to God I felt like I had dug myself in a huge pit. I knew that I messed up, bad. I had to go back my spirit BURNED for him. I was parched like a desert that only he could fill. I hadn't departed from the faith at all I believed in the Lord I was ashamed I was going behind his back but I felt so overrun I didn't know what to do and the soul tie was destroying me. I wanted to give up but I'm telling you, the spirit in me PERSEVERED FOR ME. I saw the spirit telling me to come back over and over and I knew I was going too even though I was surrounded in darkness I knew I was going to ultimately go back. I took baby steps to recover with how bad I had fallen. I started to talk to him and ask how should I get out of this? (And me being blind) asked him should I break up with him? Once I spoke to him he's spirit took hold and is what controlled me from smoking, I can't make this up. He made it as clear as day the holy spirit revealed to me in an instant as I looked at him the absolute absence of God in him and I broke up with him it was either that day or the next. After seeing how I was abused and thinking I knew better, do you think a loving father would abandon his child? Not at all. He never left me. Not once. In my darkness I saw how the Lord worked. I feared him and I was running away when I had snowballed into my pit. In my case, I didn't even know scripture. So all of these arguments and things for different scriptures were ones I had never known because I hadn't even read them. Only the holy spirit can draw you to repentance. "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day" If you desire God, it means God wants you. Everyone whom my Father gives me will come to me. I will never turn away anyone who comes to me, John 6:37 A bruised reed He will not break and a smoldering wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice Isaiah 42:3 Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God. Jeremiah 3:22 But even if we speak like this, dear friends, we feel sure about you. We know that you have the better blessings that belong to your salvation. God is not unfair. He will not forget the work you did or the love you showed for him in the help you gave and are still giving to other Christians. Hebrews 6:9-10 So like Piper said everyone is caught up in Hebrews 6 but even the author of Hebrews was like yeah i was harsh. They are still sure the Lord will execute justice and bring you to the finish line no matter what. The author is saying that it is impossible to BRING THEM BACK TO REPENTANCE because THEY CANNOT turn away from their sins. But wait, no matter how far you've fallen, if you feel the NEED to go back repentance and YOU ARE INDEED turning away from your sins how is this possible? Because his GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU and he desires you more than you will ever know. If this great firm falling away does happen your heart would have to become as hard as the Pharisees again, be sound and resolute in your stance, and hate God which are all evidences that you never knew God nor were you truly born again and you become one of the seeds of the parable of the seeds in Luke. I'm not saying grace is a license to sin. But again we are saved by grace not works. When he says to "work out" your salvation Piper brought up his point of oh now I'm saved im vaccinated I'm good. No. If one is truly born again they wouldn't have this mentality anyways unless they were given false doctrine and don't know better because of how they are a babe in Christ. I see this as he wants to develop a relationship with you so you understand him and this takes time and to step into the PURPOSE HE HAS PREDESTINED FOR YOU. You're his patient and he wants us to be feel secure and confident in him. And people forget the verse AFTER "working out your salvation." It's because God is always at work in you to make you willing and able to obey his own purpose. Philippians 2:13 SO ITS GOD ALREADY WORKING IN YOU. IT IS HIS BLOOD BOUGHT POWER THAT HE MOTIVATES YOU TO WORK IT OUT THE PURPOSE AND PLAN HE HAS FOR YOU THAT IS A PROMISE. IF HE WAS NOT ALREADY IN YOU THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. What about people who repent on their death bed and die and didn't "work out" their salvation? Come on now.
I'm very glad things turned out well for you ma'am and we need to thank God for His mercy and goodness towards us. Most people here are missing the points I've been trying to make. I've said (written in this case) all that's required. My main point to repeat myself is people who are saved need to keep God's commandments, period. Those who think they can willfully sin and God will look the other way ... well ... for the final time: "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." After studying the Bible for 40+ years, I've found no scriptures saying or even suggesting that a person who repented (got saved) and fell back into sin was never saved to begin with. If that person repents (again) and turns from his/her sin they will be saved though it does get harder to be restored. Lisa, most folks here are also missing the severity of sin in God's eyes. It saddens me to witness good Christian people attempt to reduce the majesty and holiness of God. Sin separated us from God ... and sin is the one thing that can do it after salvation. Repent and believe the Gospel.
Very well said. Thank you for your kindness in sharing your testimony. Our Lord does not leave us behind. I had a similar experience with unbelief by going into some false teachings because of my own immaturity and weakness. Even in my unbelief, the Lord was WITH ME telling me that He would restore me. The Lord restored me back into faith. I look back and I am just awe-struck at His love and faithfulness. Even when we stumble, He is faithful in keeping us in His salvation. He who began the good work WILL complete it. Praise the LORD.
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¿ can a born again Christian lose salvation ? ¿ what does the bible say ? : ¿ how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation ? Hebrews 2:3 ASV But my righteous one shall live by faith: And if he shrink back, my soul hath no pleasure in him. Hebrews 10:38 ASV hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown. Revelation 3:11 ASV And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 3:10 ASV Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God’s goodness, IF THOU CONTINÚE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF. Romans 11:22 ASV For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrews 10:26-27 ASV Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; "YE ARE FALLEN AWAY FROM GRACE". Galatians 5:4 ASV
I agree 💯 we are SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS ! We are sanctified throughout our lifetimes. We still mess up but feel immediately feel bad about it ! God is faithful when we are faithless, it is my grace you are saved through faith , not by works lest any man should BOAST ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
So we can sin and grace will abound? God forbid. Know ye not that what ever a man sows, that he will also reap? Heb. 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Several verses speak of God blotting or not blotting names out of the book of life: “I will not blot out his name out of the book of life” (Rv 3:5); “God shall take away his part out of the book of life” (Rv 22:19); “...if thou wilt forgive their sin-; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.... Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book” (Ex 32:32,33).
John 5:24 convinced me ultimately: “Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.” Eternal life begins at conversion, NOT death, and, by definition, it therefore cannot be lost!
Flat out falsehood. The prodigal son did not physically die. Furthermore, Jesus was crystal clear that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven. ONLY a mature Christian can even commit that sin. Once saved always saved is a lie.
If you could lose your salvation you would. Stop holding on to anything we can to add to what the Lord Jesus did on that cross. Believe and he saved. Good works are great, preaching, soul winning, reading the word, praying are all fruits of our salvation but faith alone in what Jesus did on that cross is the root of our salvation. The gospel is that simple and thank God He made it that simple. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” John 10:27-28
It sounds like you are saying the prodigal son died spiritually which it obviously says but do you think that means he lost the Holy Spirit and got it back? If he did, how would that be possible because it seems like to lose the Spirit would be to commit blasphemy? Hebrews 6 seems to indicate the warning is regarding believers who are immature in the faith and have not learned how to walk in the Spirit and be taught by God but seek to be taught by man. As a result, they are being chastened by God for their disobedience and neglect of their faith. So, I am curious why you think only a mature believer can commit blasphemy of the Spirit as it seems like a mature believer would be less likely because they would not as easily backside and if they did would be more likely to realize ir and turn back to God. Like Saul (immature) vs David (mature). Saul blasphemed and was a new immature believer whereas David backslid severely but was mature and knew himself and God well enough to turn back to God in repentance and faith and be restored. Not they David could have blasphemed as he was obviously worried about losing the Spirit.
Eternal life is in Jesus, from Genesis to Revelation. There are ten times more verses and warnings of falling away than once saved always saved. I wish these guys would acknowledge all of scripture.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
@@kevinhanes2808 Well no he's giving you an idea of how dedicated and disciplined he was. He is giving you an idea of Olympic athletes and their dedication. He is trying to paint a picture or give you an idea of how committed he was to Christ and the Gospel. That's how I interpreted it
Notice how the guy speaking quotes scripture all the way through and is in doing so glorifying God, because that's what the bible does-his commentary glorifies God because it shows what being a child (by adoption) means according to the scriptures. It's God that is our salvation as long as we play our part he gets us through because we have the Holy spirit, your commentary to this come was I, I, I... Na mate God gets you through each and every second of the day and my bible tells me Satan is proud... Listen to the verses this guy quotes and study them. Blessings
@Tomcloud I agree Tom, but salvation is not based on our actions, it is based on what God did for man, This faith I put in God saved me. Yes I did NOT deserve it. But he came for ALL of men. OSAS means we believe in the finished works of the cross Jesus did to save man. It takes nothing away from the word of God. God Bless you Tom & your family.
If a born again Christian partakes in the works of the flesh (galations 5), can he still enter heaven? The problem of OSAS is two fold. 1) it tacitly endorses a life of sin. I can do anything and not lose my salvation. 2) if you do struggle with sin, you must question your own conversion and ask if you truly are born again. OSAS preaches unrepentent sin or hopeless despair. It's an evil doctrine.
Since the ancient churches have always taught born again means baptism, instead of questioning whether one is truly born again, it seems one should, instead, question why they are not asking God for the grace to overcome the sin. I do agree with you that OSAS does endorse a life of sin. That was true for me for 70 years. If the repentence and baptism = the start of the race, the middle of the race would be embracing the graces of God given us so we can continue the race till the end and, so that when we do fall, we get up, confess the sin and start running the race again from where we are. In that way, like OSAS tends to teach, you don't go back to baptism thinking that you missed something. You go forward in confession, striving, abiding and remaining and enduring till the end. Having said all this, each of our lives are between God and us. I can't judge others since I know I was lost in a sea of confusion for 70 years. It was only by God giving me a grace filled Damascas Road experience that I was able to begin taking logical and practical steps toward Him as I continue striving to do along my journey.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......
Most who think they are born again are not...and never will be...you don't say a sinner's prayer to become born again...no man chooses his own salvation nor the timing of it...
2 Peter 2:20-22 among others is evidence you can turn away from God by sin, just like Adam and Eve starting off in the 'saved' state. Whilst I don't have a fear of my salvation wearing off overnight, it is good to have a healthy fear of being able to fall away. And God Himself makes it easier to give up sins and make the transformations necessary.
@@christianmatteussen98 you have to read your bible. When does Jesus say that "wicked" people will be cast into a furnace of fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth? (Matthew 13:49) He says at the end of the world/age. Has the world ended yet? No, so no people are cast into a furnace of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. I'm not talking about "hell" the grave where both the righteous and unrighteous go to "sleep" after death. There are many other verses in the Bible that talk about a fixed day when sin lovers will have their genes wiped by an enormous fire. For example in Malachi 4 and the end of Isaiah 66. You live this life, then you go into a metaphorical time capsule until one of two future dates: the resurrection of life or the resurrection of damnation. Your next conscious thought after death will be one of these two resurrections, so technically in your personal timeline, Heaven and Hell happen "immediately" after death, but in the grand scheme of things this is not so.
I strongly disagree, how many scriptures say those who endure to the end!? This is one of the most dangerous things being taught in a lot of churches today. Sad
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED When we speak of the eternal security of the believer, what do we mean? We mean that once a poor sinner has been regenerated by the Word and the Spirit of God, once he has received a new life and a new nature and has been made partaker of the divine nature, once he has been justified from every charge before the throne of God, it is absolutely impossible that that man should ever again be a lost soul. Once Saved Always Saved! Many leading Bible teachers are saying "the only criterion for salvation is knowing and believing some basic facts about Christ." The fallout of this thinking, he says, is a deficient doctrine of salvation; justification is not necessarily and inevitably linked to sanctification. People feel they can pray a prayer, receive eternal life, and then go on sinning. The gospel of free grace will lead to holiness. Faith is redefined to include submission, and a man becomes a Christian not by "hearing" and "believing" but by believing and promising God he will submit his life to Christ. This is not to deny that true faith certainly involves a disposition of openness to God and cannot coexist with an attitude of determination to continue to sin. "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" (Romans 6:1). God has already told us what the means of salvation are and what they are not. Works are not a means, whether on the front end or on the back end. The only means necessary for obtaining salvation is faith, and faith alone: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5). The "means" are the washing of regeneration (rebirth) and renewing by the Holy Spirit and not our good works. The means are one-faith. This faith is apart from any means involving works. Here is the key to our modern dilemma. The Reformers feared free grace and, as a result, did not take the Reformation far enough. That is, their doctrine of the saints perseverance in holiness compromised the free grace of God. Because the doctrine of justification by faith alone was potentially vulnerable to the charge of promoting license, the Reformers simply could not let go of the notion that works played a necessary part in our final arrival in heaven. Unable to accept that a regenerate man could live a life of sin and still be saved, they included works on the back end of the gospel as the means (result?) of salvation. If the saints must inevitably and necessarily persevere in godliness to the final hour, then the doctrine of rewards and chastisement at the judgment seat of Christ becomes murky. How can a man who has persevered in holiness be chastised? Since all who are regenerate will be rewarded anyway, perhaps many settle into spiritual dullness thinking all is well with their souls and there are no negative consequences to pay. And if the doctrine of punishment for a carnal life is vague and if the doctrine of rewards is reduced to promise of something that everyone will get anyway, then key motivators for living the Christian life are compromised. The most likely possibility for the continually sinning Christian is that he may not be a true Christian at all. Saints has been set apart by faith in Christ through the Holy Spirit. They are secure and safe in Him. God will persevere with those whom he has called to faith in Christ so that none will be lost. "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" (John 17:12). The true Grace of God is a gift and will not be earned. The Father does chastise a son whom He receives but will never cast any of His own to hell. "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Matthew 12:32). It is obvious that the question of eternal security is inextricably involved with the question of free grace. If eternal life is truly offered "without cost" and salvation once received can never be lost, it might seem that some would take the grace of God for granted and live unfaithful lives. All motivation is lost, it is feared, to persevere in the life of faith. For the man who claims he is a Christian and who lives a sinful life, the Arminian warns him that he is in danger losing his salvation. The English Puritans, on the other hand, simply say he never had salvation to begin with and he had better re-examine his foundations; he is in danger of hell. Only the man who perseveres in a life of good works to the final hour, they said, is truly saved. The Reformed doctrine of the perseverance of the saints was an outgrowth of the accusations that the Reformation would logically result in moral laxity. It also provided a powerful means of refuting the Arminian teaching of conditional security. This doctrine is not only absent from Scripture but could, if not carefully stated, compromise the freeness of the grace of God. Eternal security of the saints, this doctrine has labored under amazing exegetical contortions at the hands of its advocates. This investigation will lead us into many related doctrines such as the relationship between justification and sanctification, assurance of salvation, and the relevance of the warning passages in the New Testament. Can a true Christian commit apostasy? Does the New Testament teach the existence of the carnal Christian? In addition, we will examine all of the passages commonly brought to bear on the question of eternal security and consider both Calvanist and Arminian exergesis. The entire context of First Corinthians describes activities of true Christians which parallel nearly every item in verses 9-10. They were involved in sexual immorality (6:15); covetousness (probable motive in lawsuits, 6:1); drunkenness (11:21); dishonoring the Lord's table (11:30--for this reason some of them experienced the sin unto death); adultery (5:1); and they were arrogant (4;18; 5:6). Yet this group of people that acts unrighteously, and that is guilty of all these things has been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (6:11)! They were washed and saved from all those things, and yet they are still doing them. That is the terrible inconsistence which grieves the apostle through all sixteen chapters of this book. His burden in 6:9-10 is not to call into question their salvation (he specifically says they are saved in verse 11. He said they are "sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (1:2) but that they were carnal (3:1,3). Sexual sin or getting drunk. Again, these sins cannot cause a true believer to lose his salvation. Surely a believer can lose fellowship with his Father but God does not leave a believer. The Spirit of God does not leave us when we are not good enough to please Him that delivered us from the wrath to come. "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Corinthians 5:5). Salvation is the full pardon by grace from the penalty of all sin, past, present and future. The man who had 'his father's wife' - a terrible sin - didn't lose his salvation thereby. "I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isaiah 44:22) King David committed sins of murder and adultery and in the fifty-first Psalm, the prayer of David shows that he had not lost his salvation, but the joy of salvation. "And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD, And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die" (II Samuel 12:13). That God preserves His people from apostasy and sees to it that all of His elect ultimately enter heaven is the clear teaching of Holy Scripture. "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (I Peter 1:2,4,5). The Grace of God, the seal of the Holy Spirit, preserves you permanently. This is called the doctrine of eternal security. "The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul. The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore" (Psalm 121:7-8). John Stewart ~ hbh@email.com minds.com/lovejoypeaceforever
Hey Landon, Is Jesus a liar? John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Jesus saves without any one helping him.
@@vincent7156 Jesus cannot lie even if He wanted to, it's just impossible for Him to lie. And that's exactly why the demonic doctrine of OSAS and all it's sick-minded false convert followers are gonna get the eternal roasting they deserve.
@@tsunadesenju5856 Oh really, so Jesus is some satanic being who lied! That is, going by you. Jesus says, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Jesus also said, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, Then Jesus said, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: All of these verses are in John 6:37-40. Who does ALL the saving? If YOU were to say Jesus, And seeing I just showed you Jesus says I LOOSE NO ONE! How is OSAS a doctrine of Devils? LOOK close, I CAST OUT NONE! John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. LOOK, I LOOSE NOTHING! John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. Those who BELIEVE in Jesus, John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. TO BELIEVE IN JESUS will have EVERLASTING LIFE! So, Is Jesus a liar? You been taught wrong! Jesus is eternal life and he turns no one away! HE KEEPS ALL WHO COME TO HIM! Might want to RETHINK your doctrine!
Make sure you approach God the way He expects you to with the right mindset. Prayers work together with what you need to have a resolve to do yourself. You must submit to God. That is essential: James 4:7-8 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. That's what your attitude needs to be when you are going through the process of *repentance* and committing to be obedient to God for the rest of your life (that's the kind of "change of mind" God wants to see). You must sincerely regret having sinned against God, and come to the point of hearing and agreeing 100% with Jesus' message saying, "I do not condemn you, now go and don't sin anymore" (John 8:11). Your obedience as you choose to follow God's ways is key--that's how you show your faith to God (John 3:36, Luke 6:46, Hebrews 3:17-18). That opens the door to receiving his *forgiveness* for your past sins (2 Peter 1:9), *healing* (Luke 5:31-32), *freedom from sin/addictions* (John 8:34-36), and the gift of *a new life* that you will live for God and no longer for sin and the passing things of the world (Romans 6:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15). That is the salvation you must make sure you have experienced: freedom from sin (John 8:36, Romans 8:1-2) versus bondage to sin (John 8:34, Romans 7:23). Approaching God in genuine repentance will lead to you receiving the Holy Spirit to lead you to "walk by the Spirit" (Acts 2:38, Galatians 5:16)--with a pure heart and self-control, which is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Any habit that controls you reveals idolatry in your heart. You have to choose to be done with that and it will be part of your past. That's one thing that will come out of your commitment to be obedient to God for the rest of your life. Please see 1 Peter 4:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. James 1:21-22 21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls [that's repentance]. 22 But be doers of the word [that's faith, which implies obedience], and not only hearers, deluding your own selves. Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of 👉 *eternal salvation to all those who obey Him [...].* Please stay in the word and obey it (James 1:21-22). The word of God is fuel for your faith. To live as a follower of Jesus you must go out of your way to put the word of God in your heart and keep it there, rejecting all distractions. It's a fight and that's how you need to stand to not fall down. The truth will set you free from all sin (John 8:31-32, 36).
All Christians believed it is possible to lose your salvation until in the 15th century John Calvin formulated the doctrine Permanent Salvation. One simply cannot ignore explicit verses taught in the Scripture that it is possible to fall away from faith.
It is the true that God secures the elect, but it is also true at the same time if a Christian deliberately chooses to sin against his conscience time after time, that he may drift away from the faith.
Me Gook we must practice righteousness brother! God bless, Praise the Lord! I have been struggling with sin and God has given me warnings and signs I can still get back up before he leaves me🙏🏻
@@AntonioSaved How about you heretics read John 6:37-39 where he explicitly tells us that He's never going to leave or forsake a believer and none that come to Him shall be lost?
@@AntonioSavedGod NEVER leaves you! Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
@Déjà Siku If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet WALK IN THE DARKNESS, we lie and do not practice the truth; (1 John 1:6) You have mistakenly assumed that WALKING in DARKNESS means to just commit A sin. That is not what the term WALK meant to the ancient Hebrews. Here is the definition of the METAPHORICAL use of the word WALK as recorded in Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Walk ...this same verb is more often used throughout the Old Testament and the epistles of the New Testament in a metaphorical way. In this sense it means to follow a certain COURSE OF LIFE or to conduct oneself in a certain way. Many times the verb translated "walk" is present tense in the Greek of the New Testament, which means that the writer is referring to a CONTINUED MODE of CONDUCT or BEHAVIOR. www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/walk/ So you see "walking in darkness" is far more serious than committing a sin and taking a momentary step in the darkness. It means practicing sin as a way of life which is something no Christian should ever do. ............................... You also use the word DELIBERATE [sin] in an apparent attempt to normalize the kind of sin described Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, I would say this is talking about something much more serious that committing a sin if for this individual there REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE. If there is no more sacrifice for us there is no more forgiveness and cleansing either. ............................... The word "DELIBERATELY" does not mean the person's sin is a choice of the will for EVERY sin is a choice of the will. The word means: to sin WILLFULLY as opposed to sinning inconsiderately, and from ignorance or from weakness. This person does not merely fail in a time of temptation he CHOOSES to sin knowing full well how bad it is biblehub.com/greek/1596.htm ............................... The fact that the word SIN is in the PRESENT TENSE indicates sin that is continual and unremitting which reinforces that the author of Hebrews is referring to a lifestyle of sin. The language of the verse shows that your characterization of the verse as meaning merely committing a sin is inaccurate
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It's really obvious: those who disagree with this speaker are in Christ and are of the faith and are born of the Spirit. Those who agree with the speaker are not.
“...and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”-Revelation 22:19 “Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”-1 Peter 5:8 “How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?”-Hebrews 10:29 “Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For: ‘Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.’”-Hebrews 10:35-38 Yes, a Christian can abandon God and relinquish their inheritance
@@yeehaw6267 Doesn't ALL scriptures have to line up with other verses? How do we know if the bible is true? By comparing other verses with each other to see if they line up or not. Now compare these two verses that you have no works in at all. What takes place the second you come to Christ? Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Now being sealed by God with the Holy Spirit, How long are we sealed for? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Paul is very clear, SEALED TO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. If thats so, how does the verses I gave in Ephesians line up with Hebrews 10:35-38? Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. Hebrews 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. How are any of these verses say you can loose the seal of the Holy Spirit? Can you even tell the difference between a saved person & one who is not? Jesus is the advocate of the saved. How can he represent the saved man only to turn and cast them into hell? When you trust in your self works, you are NOT trusting in the finished works of the cross Jesus did for man.
Vincent And what of Paul’s words later in Ephesians? For example, chapter 6? “Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.”-Ephesians 6:11-13 Paul is very clearly telling the members of the church that they must STAND FIRM in the face of evil and WRESTLE against the powers of darkness and WITHSTAND evil. But what need would there be for any of these things if salvation is simply guaranteed as long as you had faith at some point in your life and you can never lose that salvation? Just a few chapters earlier in Hebrews, Paul states very plainly: “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”-Hebrews 6:4-6 Paul again very explicitly warns believers of being “severed” from Christ: “You are SEVERED FROM CHRIST, you who would be justified by the law; you have FALLEN AWAY from grace.”-Galatians 5:4 You cannot be severed from something that you were never joined with. Paul very clearly says believers who seek to be justified by the Law have been SEVERED from Christ, have FALLEN AWAY from grace. Finally, finishing once again in Hebrews, Paul makes this exhortation: “But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called ‘today,’ that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, IF INDEED WE HOLD OUR ORIGINAL CONFIDENCE FIRM TO THE END.”-Hebrews 3:13-14 Paul urges the believers to exhort one another, specifically because they CAN be hardened by sin and lose their “confidence.” Paul further says that the only way to share in Christ is to hold on to our confidence. Salvation is not a one-and-done thing, it is a lifetime of faith and obedience and repentance.
@@yeehaw6267 All of your verses have contradictions here. Why do saved people put on the whole armor of God? Simple right. Who do we fight against? Flesh & blood? No, satan & his followers. Spiritual warfare. How is this some form of loss of salvation? You still have not refuted the Holy Spirit sealing. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long are we sealed for? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. We ARE sealed to the day God redeems us. how can you use Hebrews 6:4-6 saying this means loss of salvation when Paul, the very same writer (I think he wrote Hebrews) of Hebrews says a contradiction? Now look in your verses in Hebrews, Word like , once enlightened, and have tasted, Does enlighten now mean saved? No, What about tasted? This mean saved as well? Or part takers? PART! Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. How can one fall away from something they never had? They knew OF salvation, but did NOT follow through accepting Jesus as savior, How so? Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. These are not even babes in Christ. They tried to add the law to Jesus thinking this is salvation. You ran to Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Only cause it says fell from grace. Question here is what is Paul saying? Can you serve the law & Christ? NO. NOT both.Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. What is Paul saying in context?
@@tiwanstrong1413 Start with Hebrew 3:14. The word "If" implies condition. For instance "If" you do something, "then" something will happen. In other words you have to continue in your relationship with God. He says to seek Him with all your heart and you will find him. Don't rely on yourself for salvation. Read John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life. You have to talk to Jesus. Trust Him. He will reveal Himself to you and He will teach you how to live for Him. Living for Him and following His commandments is the enduring part. Relationship with Him involves praying and reading His Word. He will be a friend who sticks closer than a brother. He will never leave you or abandon you. Call on Jesus. He loves you.
Don’t be carried away by false teachings. Many are called but few will be chosen. Once saved is not always saved. That’s why he will tell many, I never knew you. These are Christians he is talking about.!Don’t ever think you gonna walk after the ways of the world and you will enter the Kingdom..You have to endure to the end, and you shall be saved.
You are saved when you receive be Holy Spirit and you will know if you have as it is superndtiral. You entire heart will change in terms of your mind, desires, emotions, attitudes, etc. God’s word will become like drinking from the Spirit and will be sweeter than honey and His word will start changing you on the inside and you will hear Jesus’ voice when you read the word. Your spirit will be strengthened and comforted and you will have power over sin and desire to holy and righteousness. You will often feel the Spirit leading you to do or not do certain things daily. You will have Godly sorrow when you sun if you heart is soft. You will experience the fruits of the Spirit inside your soul such as love, peace, patience, joy, hope, self control, wisdom, etc. if you have not experienced this fellowship with the Lord via the Spirit of Christ then surrender your life to Him and ask for the Holy Spirit and to be filled and tell Bim you want to love and obey Him and He will give you the gist if you are broken and sincere.
Judas healed the sick, drove out demons,and raised the dead according to the Gospels, yet Satan entered him. Judas had to have had the power of the Holy Spirit within him, but still faltered at the end. This motivates me to always be aware of my behavior and attitude towards God, to be as obedient as possible, to be as gracious to others as I can, to be quick to forgive and quick to ask forgiveness when I am wrong. Believers need to stop worrying about can I lose my salvation and concentrate on making a life change by Jesus as attractive as possible.
You can't find anywhere in the gospels that explicitly say Judas performed any miracle by the power of the Holy Spirit. In order for Judas to have had the Holy Spirit at ANY POINT that would mean God would have had to have given Judas to Jesus, which He did not (John 17:12). God would have had to predestine him from the foundation of the world to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29). If Judas had been given the Holy Spirit, that would mean that He belonged to Jesus (Romans 8:9-11), and he did not, as the previous quote from John shows. If Judas had the Holy Spirit, that would mean he had been foreknown, predestined, called, justified, and glorified with Jesus (Romans 8:30) Even if Judas did perform miracles, that would be meaningless in determining whether or not he was saved. The name of Jesus is powerful enough that, whether it is spoken by reprobates or sons of the living God, demons, sickness, disease, and Hell itself must BOW to it. Many people who are reprobate and unsaved perform miracles; you see that in the Old Testament and the New. Jesus said as much (Matthew 7:21-23).
Ethan Channing Ethan, your reasoning fails in two areas. First, the idea that unbelievers can command demons just using Jesus name. Acts 19:13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, "I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims." 14 Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. 15 But the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?" 16 And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. So we see that one must be inhabited by the Holy Spirit to use the name of Jesus Second, Judas did heal the sick, drive out demons, and raise the dead. In Matthew 10:5 Jesus gives this authority to the 12 and sends them to Jewish villages to preach. Then later sends out 72 with the same abilities (it's in Luke, see if you can find it). As for when Jesus says many who did miracles in His name were never known to Him, maybe they were believers who backslid. Either way we must fight the good fight, run the good race to receive the prize. I, for one, don't want to risk my salvation on the "once saved always saved" doctrine. Peter told us to be holy even as God is holy, and as a follower of Christ I will obey.
MrStevekehl You're kind of ignoring John 17:12. To quote the verse directly, "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." Again, if Judas had the Spirit of God, that would mean he was regenerated, he knew Jesus was the Messiah, God in the flesh, he placed faith in Him for the salvation of his soul. That would mean God had predestined him from the foundation of the world to be conformed to the image of His Son, that Judas was foreknown, predestined, called, justified and glorified. Jesus clearly stated in His prayer to God the Father that Judas was the son of perdition. He was not saved. We then have two explanations. Either Judas didn't perform miracles, or, as Jesus Himself said, there are those who are able to perform miracles in His name that are not saved. And your interpretation that they were Christians who backslid is proven false by Jesus' response to their question. He told them He NEVER knew them. He didn't say, "I knew you, but you didn't do the proper works to keep your salvation," He said, "I never knew you, depart from me, thou workers of iniquity." Jesus also said that false prophets will be able to perform great signs. The sorcerers in Pharoah's court did miracles by the dark arts. This is not a new theme in Scripture. As regarding Acts 19:13, I will concede that you have made a good point. I would however raise the question, "Is there a difference between a person who outright rejects Christ so that they use distancing language like 'the Jesus whom Paul preaches' to refer to Christ and one who is commanding demons on the basis of a belief in the authority inherent in the name of Jesus--which is higher than any name, blessed forever--though not necessarily placing their faith in Him as the perfect sacrifice for their sins as the sinless Son of God?"
MrStevekehl Secondly, in spite of our disagreement on this issue, I will state that I believe this is an "in-house debate." I do not question your salvation. I am jealous for the glory of God and His call to holiness in our lives, but I find just as Paul did in Romans 7 that when I put myself under the Law and say "I must do this or this, or I must ask forgiveness for each individual sin," or whatever else have you, "in order to keep my salvation," I lived like a sinner. When I had the revelation of God's everlasting love for me and His free gift of grace, my life changed. However, I do not believe anyone who lives in a state of sin without the conviction of the Holy Spirit is saved (Hebrews 12:7, 8: " If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."), nor do I believe that anyone who has defected from the faith was ever saved to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Ethan Channing Let me be clear, I don't doubt your salvation either. This topic is not to be taken lightly or debated by young Christians. It is a "meat" subject. The once saved always saved doctrine has lead many astray, thinking they can be saved while acting wordly; sinning boldly so grace may abound. In Matthew 10:22, 24:13 and Mark 13:13 Jesus talks about hardship coming with our faith,but the one who endures to the end shall be saved. Also the Parable of the Sower,Jesus says the rocky soil are those that receive the Word with joy, but have no root. Likewise, the rocky soil represents those where the Word takes root and begins to grow, but wordly concerns choke out their faith. If those who fall away were never really saved, how can any of us have any confidence in our salvation? I say I am saved, but is there an event in my future that will crush my faith and show that it was a delusion? You are right to point out John's Gospel where Jesus says he will not lose any the Father has given Him. Jesus doesn't lose us, we turn our back on Him. We betray Him with the choices we make. While I don't believe every sin separates us from God anew, nor do we need to make lists of sins or go to confession to be forgiven of individual sins. It is important to see areas of weakness in our lives and ask forgiveness of sins in those areas. Through prayer and the power of the Holy Spirit we can achieve victory over our weakness and grow in Christ. Then we will see the harvest 30, or 50, or 100 times over. God Bless
OSAS is easily proved using 2 verses. John 6:39 - "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." What is Jesus talking about here? What was given to him, and what will he raise up in the last day? The next verse tells us. John 6:40 - "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." Therefore, Jesus always does the will of the father. The will of the father is that all men called by the father, Christ will lose NONE. If we can lose our Salvation, Jesus did not do the will of the father.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. MAY HAVE everlasting life. Salvation is a conditional state. If you believe in Jesus,have faith in His blood,you are justified. To know Him is to love Him. And if you love Him you'll follow His commandments. And the first commandment He gives after you accept Jesus,is to become established in His word. Rom 16:25,26. One has to endured unto the end in faith to have salvation.
I don't believe once saved always saved. because Paul clearly states if we don't overcome the flesh with the holy spirit then we will not inherit the kingdom of God. ROMANS 8:12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation-but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live . NOTICE IT SAYS BROTHERS AND SISTERS! HES TALKING TO US! Galations 6:8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. .notice it says whoever!!!!!!! also Jesus himself said that if we don't abide in him this will happen... john 15:6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned NOTICE JESUS SAID REMAIN IN ME, THIS TELLS YOU THAT YOU CAN FALL OFF. Jesus told us how to abide in him here john 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. I currently believe that our WORKS OF righteousness does not get us into heaven, but our fleshy sins can lead to a spiritual death if we don't overcome it with the holy spirit. the acceptance of Jesus alone, through faith, is what gets us into heaven. There will be many christians who refuse to stop living in the flesh, who won't make it to heaven. Peter said this..... 1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? I believe this meant that even chrisitians will scarcely make it into heaven. Timothy 2:19 All who belong to the LORD must turn away from evil. 2 Corinthians 7:1 we should be working towards complete holiness because we fear the lord. 1 peter 1:14 So you must live as God's obedient children. Don't slip back into your old ways of living to satisfy your own desires. You didn't know any better then. 1 Peter 1:15 But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy. 1 John 2:4-6 If someone claims, "I know God," but doesn't obey God's commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth. But those who obey God's word truly show how completely they love him. That is how we know we are living in him. Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did. 1 John 3:6 Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is. 1 John 5:21 dear children keep away from anything that may take God's place in your hearts. Jude 1:4-5 I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God's marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful.
checkoutmyplaylist then you deny salvation by faith alone and according to paul you have been severed from grace. Do you believe with this statement? "Only after turning from all unrighteousness, will Gods Grace be sufficient" Do you agree with that statement? If not, then are you claiming that we do not need to turn from all unrighteousness?
Chad Daniels one can pick out a verse here and there,after listening to a heretick, and all of a sudden you feel like you actually understand that verse,and verses similar that could correlate osas. Osas is so rare which is evident due to so many many false,unstable preacher teachers proclaiming this and that. What might help you to understand is if someone believes in Jesus has faith in His blood,they are justified,peace with God. But the Very First Commandment to a new believer is to become established in His words,the bible,and even tells one how to read the bible which is the narrow way (to heaven)....which many thousands of false teachers preachers dont even know exist.so they read the bible any ol way they want to and wrest the scriptures to their understanding,not Gods. Which is why there are so many divisions amongst the different churches and believers. When someone reads the bible like God commands us to read it. The way God wants you to understand it becomes very clear and very different compared to how 1000 of preacher teachers, teach it. Its not an automatic understanding of scripture,but its revealed to each reader,who is sincerely searching for His truth over time,and each time you read the bible accordingly,your understanding becomes deeper and and more established , to the point YOU CANNOT be swayed to and fro with different winds of doctrine or false teachins. And as this is occuring, along with the fruits of your faith , enduring to the end,is salvation. Once this path to God is followed,He blesses you not with only the desire to have fruit,but the will to do it,and the power to do it. But just spurting out there osas to anyone is a false teaching. Because then lost souls who think they ard saved just by believing in Jesus, remain lost by not following Gods establishment commandment....because the churches dont even know what it is,and the few that know of it dont practice nor preach it.
one question can you remain in fornication and still enter the kingdom of God? NO, CAN A child of God be tempted and fall into temptation?YES can a child of God THAT still has free will, that's not taken away, continue within that fornication? YES will that child of God inherit the kingdom? while practicing fornication? ill let you answer that.
Thabk you Father for saving me, a person who was utterly depraved and lost, thank you for taking me into your arms and giving me the faith to stand strong, thank you Jesus for your sacrifice that I may wear the breastplate of righteousness! Abba!
"Ephesians 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise," Like Charles Stanley once said, you didn't make the seal, you can't break the seal.
@NicoleR-z4p It clearly says they were believers. It's says they knew God and went back to a life of continuous unrepentant sin. Romans 1:21,28,32 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Please read it before you make false assursions.
John Piper has a lot of good stuff, but he's wrong here. Christians CAN fall away. The "once saved always saved" idea is not found in Scripture anywhere. Period. The Bible is replete with evidence that we can fall away from the faith. The Hebrews writer warns his readers about drifting away (Ch. 2) and falling away (Ch. 6). Peter similarly warns his readers in 2 Peter 2:19-22. What about Demas? He was a fellow worker of Paul's at one point. Sadly, the last we see of Demas is that he deserted Paul because he was in love with the world (2 Timothy 4:10). I personally know many people who were once Christians and have fallen away. Some have returned to the faith, while others have not. Some may say that people who fall away weren't truly Christians, but that's not the case. Go back to Hebrews 6. The writer talks about people who had fallen away. These people were ones "who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come." Sounds a lot like Christians to me. And like I said, I personally know people who have fallen away. I witnessed their faith and conviction about Jesus. The world just became to enticing for them. Also, if we can't fall away, why would Satan try to tempt us and pull us from God? It's clear he prowls around trying to devour us (1 Peter 5:8). Why bother if we can't fall away? It just doesn't make sense. The only way we can't fall away is if we walk in the light (1 John 1:7-9). If we've followed God's commands for salvation, and then we live for Him, we can't fall away. If we stop obeying God's commands and pursue other things, we can. It's that simple.
¡ WRONG ! The one who conquers and who "keeps my works until the end", to him I will give authority over the nations he who overcomes the world is he who keeps the works of Jesus Christ until the end
@@joseyanes8376 Tell me, who is he that conquers? who is it that keeps the works? who is he who overcomes the world? 1 John 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. If while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
@@underconstruction1093 And he that overcometh, "AND HE THAT KEEPETH MY WORKS UNTO THE END", to him will I give authority over the nations: Revelation 2:26 ASV ¿ can a born again Christian lose salvation ? ¿ what did Paul said ? Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I ( Paul ) do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I MYSELF Will NOT BE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE PRIZE. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 NIV even more he said : NOT THAT I HAVE ALREADY OBTAINED ALL THIS, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF YET TO HAVE TAKEN HOLD OF IT. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Philippians 3:12-14 NIV ¿ Do you realize how you are the opposite of the apostle Paul ? Paul was never sure of his salvation until his death was near : For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 2 Timothy 4:6-7 NIV don't be fooled by false doctrines
@@joseyanes8376 this prize that Paul is talking about is not eternal life. You know that there is nothing you can do to win eternal life, besides trust in the already finished work of Jesus. I encourage you to research those two verses and see what this "prize" is. if you are so sure that the apostles were unsure of their salvation, then what does this mean - "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:13. ... that is present tense "have". You can know you have eternal life by examining the fruit in your life. How do you know you really believe the gospel? its by the fruit in your life. If you are truly born again you should be continually repenting, and believing Jesus for the promise. He is the messiah, your deliverer, He alone will do what he promised, which is deliver you to heaven by trusting him alone, and not in your works. Your works are a confirmation of your salvation, but they in themselves wont save you. Christ will save you. No one will be a hero in the end, Jesus is the only hero. No one will be able to say, "I have won the prize of heaven", because that would be boasting. Apostle Paul says "it is by grace you are saved, so that none may boast". Again I hope you research those verses. Romans 5:9 - "Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God." Romans 5:10 - "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life." so while we were enemies of God we were saved by his blood, much more now that we are justified, shall he save us from His wrath by his life! He will do it for his glory.
@@underconstruction1093 he is talking about the crown of life which symbolizes eternal life and salvation Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life. Revelation 2:10 ASV ¿ there is nothing i can do to win eternal life ? Then why the bible says ¿ how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation? Hebrews 2:3 work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12 ASV that means you have to take care of your salvation by living a holy life I recommend you to read these passages from the Bible : how the church of ephesus was founded : Acts 19 : 1-6 the church of ephesus receives a solemn warning : Revelation 2:4-5 then to understand the biblical context of the previous passage you have to read : Luke 13:6-9 After you have read it all , I want you to tell me what you understood.
Mya Bri repent and turn to Jesus. Cry out to Him to free you from your sin. Rend your heart, weep and mourn over your sin. Pray to Him to help you feel broken and mourn over it and for Him to have mercy on you. A contrite heart is the only way back to God like the prodigal son had. See the story. Do it now though and don’t wait a minute- Jesus could come back at any time.
MANY are called but few are chosen. It's one thing to allow the Lord to finish the work in you He started but if your free will chooses to step outside of His grace and never repent for the sin we all are subject to on this earth, then you chose not to allow the Lord to complete that good work. Work out your salvation, brothers and sisters, with fear and trembling.
It's always easy to look back and say "well they were never really saved" What about the ones that are truly saved/born again and decide, for whatever reason, to walk away?
Justin Lim look at king David. If you can’t call that willful sin I don’t know what is. But he returned with a contrite heart. And the Word says “a contrite heart you will not turn away”. Psalm 51 But with that being said, I do believe there is a point of no return when your heart is hardened to the point that you never will desire repentance. Reprobate mind if you will.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you......
Once you are conceived by your earthly father can you do anything to redo that? answer is no just as you repent and accept God as your heavenly father you can never erase that, no mater how far you walk.
You surely can loose your salvation by sin, Paul warned Christians, not unbelievers but Christians about it: „The actions that are produced by selfish motives are obvious, since they include sexual immorality, moral corruption, doing whatever feels good, idolatry, drug use and casting spells, hate, fighting, obsession, losing your temper, competitive opposition, conflict, selfishness, group rivalry, jealousy, drunkenness, partying, and other things like that. I warn you as I have already warned you, that those who do these kinds of things won’t inherit God’s kingdom.” Galatians 5:19-21 CEB „Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, both participants in same-sex intercourse, thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 CEB „Sexual immorality, and any kind of impurity or greed, shouldn’t even be mentioned among you, which is right for holy persons. Obscene language, silly talk, or vulgar jokes aren’t acceptable for believers. Instead, there should be thanksgiving. Because you know for sure that persons who are sexually immoral, impure, or greedy-which happens when things become gods-those persons won’t inherit the kingdom of Christ and God.” Ephesians 5:3-5 CEB How can they be so blind to preach such a thing!!? I don’t understand
No blindness, just believing God's promises to ever who fully puts their faith and trust in Him. If you had only one verse that you could read, John 3 v16 that would be the only verse you would ever need to know. One word says everything about Gods promise to us, Everlasting!
Got baptized 2 days ago, strange that this was on my mind yesterday. And to think I got this in my recommendation is definitely God answering my questions! Thank you
I encourage you to study and not lean one man's word. If you are not being alert to discern who is speaking the truth or not in this hour of deception, you will be deceived. God wants you to seek Him diligently. If you truly felt that you did that and were done seeking for the answers to the questions you had once you saw this recommendation, then ok. But if you are inclined to keep on studying the matter and pray for God's guidance and confirmation, I invite you to take a look at this: Can You Lose Your Salvation? yestothetruth.blogspot.com/2019/07/can-you-lose-your-salvation.html As a new believer, I advise you to be on high alert and abide in the love of Jesus; don't go outside of it and all will be well. John 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....
Our pastor has been preaching Exodus for weeks and I want to share something with you. We know the Passover in Exodus is like our salvation through Jesus Christ. God’s people are ultimately saved by the covering and blood of Jesus Christ, the lamb of God. However there is an added symbol of the leaven wedged in within the story of the Passover we ought not to overlook. The leaven symbolizes sin, and in the New Testament, God tells us leaven can spread like sin and can even be a small bit which can expand and grow into the whole dough lump. The people were instructed by God to remove every single trace of leaven within their homes, lest they be CUT OFF. This is an action we must take in accordance to the Will and leading of God to do something to remove sin in our lives. We are called to be holy as He is Holy. The salvation of the blood of Jesus is not complete without the repentance from sin and the acts to rid our lives of that sin. So yes a lamb can be slain for you but if you ignore the command to remove sin from your life you may be placed with the hypocrites. The New Testament talks about the leaven which is of Malice and hypocrisy. We do not want to be placed with the hypocrites or cut off from the land of the living God. We need to be much more careful in working out our salvation and daily seek His face and Will. The “once saved always saved” doctrine is lacking if all you do is take the Passover lamb but fail to remove the leaven/sin during that period of time you may be placed with the hypocrites and cut off.
That's true. You need daily faith by grace to apply the blood of jesus on your live his forgivness and by faith you are justified. Faith isnt once and then for always but ongoing.
This is why we need to learn from the Holy Spirit and not by man. “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”” Matthew 25:46 NKJV We see that eternal life is something we pass on to, which is why Jesus said. “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 24:12-13 NKJV “But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” I Timothy 6:11-12 NKJV “that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.” Philippians 3:10-14 NKJV So this is saying Timothy and Paul need to lay hold on and attain eternal life after they have already been born again. Yes we are saved by grace through faith but we must persevere and endure to the end. “by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain.” I Corinthians 15:2 NKJV “in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight- if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.” Colossians 1:22-23 NKJV Jesus taught falling away and loss of salvation in John 15 and revelation 1-3 if you would like to discuss this more message me on Instagram @its4thekingdom, God bless
13 Questions that those who teach a Christian can be Saved then Lost CANNOT answer: 1. How can a person, who has received Christ and all that accompanies that process, as a gift from God that He does not “repent” (change His mind) over, then be lost when the possession of the very gift we are speaking of means ETERNAL life? 2. How can a person whose salvation does not remotely depend on any human works or effort, but solely on the power and work of God in Christ, be lost by any sort of human works, effort, or action, by the body or by the mind? 3. How can a person that Christ died for paying the full penalty of the law, and satisfying the very demands of God’s justice, leave that covenant, therefore, requiring Christ to pay that penalty again? 4. How can a person who has been redeemed by an ETERNAL redemption by the powerful, precious, infinitely valuable blood of Christ, be placed back in a condition of condemnation? 5. How can a person who has been “born of incorruptible (undying) seed”* and is therefore given ETERNAL life as a gift that God does not “repent” (change His mind) of, die spiritually? 6. How can a person that God promises will not come under condemnation, then come under said condemnation? 7. How can a person who has BECOME a new creature in Christ then become an old creature again? 8. “If every believer was foreknown of God, and all who were foreknown were predestined to become conformed to the image of the Son of God, and all who were predestined have been called, and all who were called have been justified, and all who were justified have already been glorified in the sight of God, at what point is it possible for a single one to be lost?”** 10. If God has made provision for all who are saved through the advocacy of Christ, which is based only on HIS righteousness and HIS propitiation for all sin by way of the cross, to act as our “defense attorney” regarding all charges made against us by the enemy, how can one who is saved then be accused guilty and lost or condemned? 11. How can a person who has the Holy Spirit living, or abiding, in them forever; is sealed by the Spirit for security and as a witness to Christ’s ownership; and if this person has been given the Spirit as a GUARANTEE of something that can only be reached in eternity, how can this person NOT be secure? 12. How can a person who is the object of God’s love and therefore saved, not an object of His wrath and therefore condemned, who is promised God’s love will always be true; actually, it is the very reason of salvation, be lost? 13. How can a person who has been saved by the very power God declares He used to raise Christ from the dead and seat Him at the apex of power and glory possibly become lost and spend eternity in hell?
Protestants are enternaining. I watch some videos so I can unerstand this concept of born-again and some others to be able to engage in conversation with a friend. He has shown interest in baptizing Orthodox Christian and I must understand the basics of where he is coming from to engage in conversation with him. I thank God again and again for being the grandson of an Orthodox priest. The more Protestant videos I watch, the more the gratitude.
@Salt Maker I dogded the question Have you been demon possessed, have experienced hell. Have you experienced God's incredible love flooding your being for years, his incredible peace and power. Romans 5.5 Romans 1.16 John. 14.27. If you have experienced that and way more we could talk.
@Morgh123 I am a disciple of Messiah and keep the Law and don't take my salvation as ALREADY obtained. I will await Messiah's Judgment for that. 'But he who endures to the end shall be saved.' (Matthew 24:13)
@Morgh123 Do you call obedience good works? Once a person is converted unto God through repentance, He receives the Holy Spirit to teach and guide him into all truth. The Holy Spirit speaks through our conscience. That is why we must ALWAYS keep a good , clean and pure conscience, just like Paul had it in Acts 24:16 'This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.' If our conscience is pure and clean, we have NOTHING to worry about and we WILL be saved. It is as simple as that. It really is not hard to do. But the FIRST step that we must do, is make ourself FREE from the love of the world and the things in the world. That is step #1. 'Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the LOVE of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-is not of the Father but is of the world.' (1 John 2:15-16) How can we expect to be welcomed into God's kingdom when we love the world or the things in the world, thus telling God that we don't LOVE Him?
@@vincent7156 Where did I say that one must do good to be saved? I said that we must HATE the world and the things in the world (1 John 2:15-17) You call THAT doing good? And DON't expect to get eternal life if you commit conscious sin and don't repent and confess it to God. (1 John 1:9) You will then hear: 'Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)' (Matthew 6:23)
@@henkbloemhard3488 You clearly have no clue to what a saved person is do you? Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; ALL sins of the saved person is already judged AT the cross.Where does repenting save?
2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What true proverb says has happened to them "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing itself, returns to wallow in the mire"This made me think "Hmm maybe you can lose your salvation?" I am seeking His word and His voice concerning this because I do not know everything there is to know about God and I am humbly and eagerly searching for the truth. I prayed for God to make it clear and as I was typing, the parable about the sower (Matt 13) came to me. Some of the seeds sprouted up right away and dried up quick because the roots weren't deep, others were eaten by birds after falling off to the side, some fell on the thorns and when they sprouted, they were choked by the thorns...but some, fell on GOOD soil. The soil that was prepared for the seed. And it brought forth fruit! PRAISE THE LORD FOR THIS CLARITY! Those who 'lose their salvation' were not good soil. Anyone have anything else to add? I want to understand more!
+Kristina Glackin Maybe you can lose your salvation? Maybe you don't know what scripture teaches on this all-important subject? you can begin by reading and studying the following passages on this subject: John 6:39,40, 10:28,29, 11:25,26, 14:16, Acts 16:30,31, Romans 3:23 - 26, Ephesians 2:8,9, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:17 - 212, 1 John 3:14,15, be blessed as you learn the truth.
+Kristina Glackin Hebr 10,12, & 2 Peter 2:20 - 22 refers to those who were exposed to the gospel, tasted it and had knowledge about it, yet never accepted it, they were never spiritually regenerated, and are referred to in 1 John 2:19.
+fourteen, your interpretation is one of falsity and it is what has been handed done to you from false prophet to false prophet over many generations. This passage is as clear as it can be, yet the heart and mind of men don't recognize God's word as the ultimate authority. These people who have taught you these false doctrines are denying the God's authority and clarity of His word by trying to interpret it in ways that do not have any truth to them.
Kristina, I read your post and felt compelled to respond. Salvation comes through faith alone. Once you believe you have eternal life. If you could lose it, then it wouldn't be eternal. If you have to work to keep it then it no longer a gift. The parable of the sower describes the 4 types of people. The two who's seed fell on pour soil describe typical American Christians. The word (seed) produces life (salvation) but they never go forth to produce fruit or more disciples. they are saved, but will not earn rewards and their condition is worse when they started. Remember when reading scripture to post attention to context, audience and purpose. Most will cherry pick versus to substantiate their point, for example 1 John was written to mature believers (already saved) on how to have confidence before Christ's throne. it wasn't a salvation test or written for the purpose of evangelism.
Matthew Degeorge Amen! Good comment. Calvinists/Lordship Salvationists will always take the parable of the sower out of context and use eisegesis and will always misinterpret soils 2 and 3 as "unsaved false professors", and only see the 4th soil as the truly saved. The fact is, there are more Luke 8:13-14 Christians in this world, but they are still saved.
God keeps you, not yourself (Jude 1:24-25). The Holy Spirit is our gurantee of Salvation forever (Eph. 1:13-14). Jesus will lose none that the Father has given Him (John 10). Sinning too much? Read Romans 7 and learn that Paul struggled with sin and that he said it wasn't him, but his sinful nature! Finally, Heb. 6 and Gal. 5 are hypothetical arguments because 1 John 2:19 doesn't allow a true Born-Again Believer to actually lose their salvation...rather "those" outliers were never actually saved (thus, the parable of the different types of Soils).
Perseverance in the Faith (if) is the argument. Telling someone they're saved because 1 day they responded this 1 way, but their life never changed is a recipe for disaster. Not all should be teachers...
Thanks for preaching the truth. Only blood takes away sin and nothing else, only the sacrifice of Christ did it. We cannot undo it, because it relies on the performance of our Saviour and not ours. Someone may decide in their mind to abandon the faith but the Spirit will forever be there whispering and guiding:) God's love Nicolas
can this pastor explain the case of Annanias and saphira ...who died for allowing Satan to fill their hearts to lie to the Holy Spirit...are they in Heaven??.. your teaching is straight from the pit of Hell
What I don't understand about the doctrine of eternal security is, what is the point of repentance after salvation if you believe that you can never fall out of favor with God? What is the point of picking up your cross and enduring in faith and obedience to the end, if all you have to do is have one encounter with Jesus with no strings attached and that's it? Do you not believe that you can grieve the Holy Spirit? Can one make it to heaven without ever regularly praying? Do you not believe that the wages of sin is still death even for the saved? I'm not trying to be contentious or rude, but I want to know why some other Christians believe this doctrine.
You ask good questions. I especially like this one: "What is the point of picking up your cross and enduring in faith and obedience to the end, if all you have to do is have one encounter with Jesus with no strings attached and that's it?" The fact is that scripture does not teach you only need one encounter with Jesus and that's it. It teaches salvation in past, present, and future tenses. We have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. It also speaks of the believer's HOPE of eternal life. You do not hope for something you already have because if you already have it, you don't need to hope for it. Paul puts it this way: "For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently." Rom 8:24-25 NIV On the one hand, we already have eternal life when we believe in Jesus, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." John 3:36 ESV But on the other hand, we have hope in what is promised in the gospel, "Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation- if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the HOPE held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant." Col 1:21-23 NIV God bless.
Yes! You have to overcome, otherwise the Lord can spit you out of His mouth and "blot" your name out of the Book of Life (Rev 3:5 & 16; 21:7-8). Wake up church!
John 10:28 King James Version (KJV) 28" And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
Pastor John. I do not quite agree with your answer. Hebrews 6:4-6 says "4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame". These people were once enlightened and they, on their own, chose to turn their backs on Christ. This is not talking about about simple backslidding but denouncing of Jesus. Those who denounce Jesus lose their salvation. 1 John 5:16 "6 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." There is a sin that leads to death. Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," God forgives all sin except denying Jesus. My answer would be a big YES, if they denounce Christ they lose salvation. I would have given your answer if the question is "Can God take away salvation from us?" No. But we can turn back our backs on Him, which leads to death. Be blessed in the name of Jesus
+Munyaradzi Chiremba A Christian can DENOUNCE Christ by the pattern of life he/she is living, and God may decide to remove His Holy Spirit from him/her. "IF you love me you will keep my commandments." God gives us His Holy Spirit, The Spirit of power and a sound mind, to obey him and fight the fight against the world, the flesh and the devil. It is spiritual warefare the Christian is engaged in. That is why Jesus says, "To those who overcome I will give the crown of life"; and He says to them, "Well done, good and faithful servant".
+williamabeck46 i lost the Holy Spirit last year 2015 of February seeking buddhists instead of staying faithful with Jesus. i'm afraid i lost my salvation if i don't have the Holy Spirit in me any longer. i've been praying everyday for an hour in hopes that God will do a miracle to give me back his Spirit so i can be saved. i was born again from my experience. i had the Holy Spirit since 2011 February, that's when i started my walk with Jesus. i never wanted to leave the faith, i made the mistake in thought that i could get help from buddhists or help from demons if that's what they are or the devil and say sorry later to Jesus. do you have any words of encouragement or advice for me or anyone that thinks a born-again believer can lose his or her salvation? i wanted to private message you williamabeck46. thanks so much. i need Jesus again, without him i'm headed to hell. :( i think i committed a Hebrews 10:26-30 and/or a Hebrews 6:4-8. i have already said sorry and repented but not sure if i can be renewed unto repentance. thanks again
Consider this : The whole book or epistle of 1 Corinthians is a letter that is addressed to the "saints" in Corinth. In other words, that letter and those warnings is addressed to people that had already been " born again " or who are already "saved". Pray tell, why would Paul spend so much time warning Saints or saved people about the things that could keep them from getting to heaven if there is/was no possible way for those "Saints" could miss out ? All of Paul's epistles are to "Saints" not to the lost. Rightly dividing the word is 100% necessary for us to understand it correctly and even then we will need the infilling of the spirit to help our understanding.
I think the problem with this topic is that people are making the wrong assumption with this ideology. *It's not 'Once Saved, Always Saved' but 'Once Born-again, Always Saved'.* If we look at the Parable of the Soils/Sower, told in Matthew, Mark and Luke (Mt 13, Mk. 4, Lk. 8). Jesus states of the meaning for the four soils: *The Sower and the Seed* - “The sower sows the word. The seed is the word of God." *1) The Side of the Road* - "Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved." *2) The Rocky Soil* - "These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble." *3) The Thorny Soil* - Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. *4) THE GOOD SOIL* - "But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, understand it, accept it, keep it and bear fruit with patience." Therefore: 1) The Side of the Road - These are the people that hear the word, scoff and turn away immediately. (John 12:47, John 8:47, Jeremiah 6:10) 2) The Rocky Soil - These are the people that say they believe the gospel but soon as things get tough, that turn away, when people make fun of their new found Christian beliefs, or something bad in their life happens, they denounce Christ. (Proverbs 24:10 & 16, Matthew 7:26-27, John 12:48, Matthew 10:33) 3) The Thorny Soil - These are the people that love all the worldly things, do the bare minimum, would rather keep living sinful lives, and want to hear 'Once Saved, Always Saved' preaching (cause its reassuring to them), therefore do not produce good works (fruits) for God. (James 4:4, James 1:21-27, 2 Peter 2:1-3 & Matthew 7:15-20, James 2:14-26, John 14:24) 4) THE GOOD SOIL - Now these are the ones who have the Holy Spirit, the ones God had foreseen that would love him, the "truly born-again, always saved" believers of Yahoshua Ha'Mashiach/Jesus Christ of Nazareth and therefore provide good fruit for the glory of God. (2 Timothy 3:10-16, Romans, 10:9-10, Acts 2:38, Ephesians 1:13-14 1 Peter 1:23, John 14:15, Galatians 5:22-23, Colossians 1:10) So the real question isn't: 'Is it, Once Saved, Always Saved or...?' But "What Type of Soil Am I?" (2 Corinthians 13:5, Galatians 1:10) And remember there is ALWAYS an open invitation to salvation. To be saved and to live like Christ. (Romans 11:17-23, Hebrews 6:4-6, Colossians 3:5-10, Ephesians 4:1-6, 1 John 2) Cause its not WWJD, its Do As Jesus Did! (1 John 2:6) "Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy - meditate on these things. The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you." - Philippians 4:8-9
As far as the predestination goes, God is Omnipresent so he knows who, in their heart, will love Him, given the choice to do so, or not. Still maybe that was the wrong word choice, instead I should maybe have said, 'Pre-seen as accepting' or 'Those He foresaw choosing Him'. Everyone is given free will, so for those He knows will not chose to turn to Him, he mourns for them and is still wanting that they would chose differently. (Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:3-6, Numbers 14:11, Proverbs 1:20-33, Luke 10:16, Psalms 107, John 3:17-18, Hebrews 6:13-20, 1 John 4) "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." - Romans 8:28-30 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved." - Ephesians 1:3-6 "Then the Lord said to Moses: “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?" - Numbers 14:11 "He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." - Luke 10:16 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:17-18 "For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.” And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." - Hebrews 6:13-20
pathstogodbyfaithcom Rest assured that I will most certainly answer your lengthy list of questions, with as much love, compassion, understanding and faith as God will allow me to muster. I have however been rather ill as of late and with thanksgiving matters at hand time to answer your question with the respect it deserves it not available right now. As I said I will reply in due time. God bless you Brother.
JMess84 On what grounds are you claiming that 75% of the grounds are unsaved? Does the word fail 50% of the time? It's clear the hard path is not saved, but not so fast on the other grounds. If the other grounds (stony and weedy) are not born again, and the main difference is works, then is that not works based salvation? What is the symbol for the Holy Spirit in your explanation? That seem to added to the meaning of the text. The fruit has seeds and the word is not coming out of 50% of the believers. They are not fruitful and multiplying.
“MANY ARE CALLED BUR FEW ARE CHOSEN” SO YOU ARE NOT SAVED BY THE CALL BUT BY RESPONDING THE CALL John 15:6 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. REMAIN! Matthew 24:13 “But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” THE ONE WHO ENDURES
God is the one who does the work in us to respond to his calling! Romans 8:7 - The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God, it doesn’t submit to Gods law, nor can it do so. Unless God pours out his spirit in you and gives you a new heart, which in terms means to be born again, you won’t persevere to the end. 1 Corinthians 1:8 - He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the of our Lord Jesus Christ.
jeff ouellette Indeed yes, it’s true; but only “...do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh”(Galatians5:13 NIV). And as we have been reminded in the epistles, as we are the temple of God “...and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are”(1 Corinthians 3:16-17).
the Lord guides every honest repented heart into his truth. the topic of salvation is very clear in the Bible,it is people who love sin and this world more than God that are confused or decieved.
Amen! Amen! those are the ones deceived nd confuse alllll the time...no matter how u explain they will never understand but its truth...Gods truth. And it can only be known by His Spirit living in you!!!
Precious Akande having true faith is a work so yes. I wake up every morning and I can chose to sin or put my trust in God. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. I can lose salvation at any moment when I chose to turn away from God.
@@Latinblood First of all...Believing in Jesus isn't a work....U CAN'T LOSE WHAT U NEVER EARNED .. u CAN'T chose to sin if ur truly saved...when ur saved ur dead to urslef and alive in Christ
Anyone who believes that you can lose your salvation does not understand the gospel or the work of regeneration. They are just plain ignorant of what the bible teaches us.
jesusist derherr well that is exactly the point.. A regenerate person will show the fruit of salvation which is an ever increasing life of holiness. If you live a life of carefree sin post regeneration it means you were never saved to begin with. If you believe you can lose your salvation after you have been regenerated, than you just simply do not understand the doctrine of regeneration or the many verses that speak to the contrary. I could list a few if you would like?
+BigG99 Right, these people don't seem to understand that scripture does not and cannot contradict itself, and they don't seem to grasp knowledge of the process of sanctification and purification, Romans 8:28 - 30, even when I tell them, be blessed.
J Day haha, do you know that sanctification is not just about growing to be like Christ but is about being placed in Christ and made Holy? it is a finished work. Did you also know that Christ says in John 6:37-39 that Jesus will take all the father gives him and that he will LOSE NONE OF THEM! We cannot lose our salvation because Jesus ensures it. Once you have been born again, made alive and substituted by Christ, you cannot go back. The problem is that you think the Verb "belief" is possible apart from Christs work. You believe because God has regenerated you and made it possible for you to do so. You can no more lose your salvation, than you can crawl back into your mothers womb after birth. Who taught you such terrible theology?
OSAS has led millions of christians into a sin embracing lifestyle that causes them to loose their faith and obedience to God and ultimately their salvation!!!
If your truly born again you don’t want to deliberately sin, your flesh will still crave sin but your spirit that is saved don’t want to sin.
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That is correct! Now if that Christian permits sin and unbelief to harden their hearts, then you have a falling away. The bible is clear on that!
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Yes, this is the gospel. The good news of God's deliverance from sin and death.
A man that says he sins not is a false religion.
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A person that keeps on sinning and does not really repent is delusional.
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When you fall, and you have a strong desire to repent that is the evidence of your salvation.
Can you show us where it says in the Bible? The only way to salvation is Jesus Christ.
The Bible is full of scriptures that encourage living a Godly life and warns of the consequences for those that don't. If those that choose to live a life in opposition to God will be judged accordingly, how can once saved, always saved be accurate? What's the incentive for living a life based on scripture if everyone has the same outcome? Most people that habitually commit serious sins have accepted Christ. With that said, how could a Godly person's fate and a habitual sinners fate be the same? Anyone sincerely repenting, turning away from their bad deeds and asking for forgiveness can be forgiven. However, that has nothing to do with being saved. Matthew 24:13 is very clear. It says, "the one who has endured to the end will be saved".
@@Rankings-Revealed Hi Matt! That's an excellent question. Anyone can be forgiven. Jehovah reads hearts and he knows when a person is sincerely repenting and truly desires to turn away from his or her sins. He even provides us with his Holy Spirit to assist us in doing his will. He knows that we're dust and will sin daily. The goal is not to repeatedly commit deliberate sins. Remember that King David was a murderer and an adulterer. However, Almighty God understands the true attitude and motive behind sins. Rather than have David condemned to death by human judges according to the Mosaic Law, Jehovah mercifully intervened, dealing with David and Bath-sheba himself.
As long as we recognize our sinfulness, repent of our errors, earnestly beseech Jehovah for forgiveness, and ask him to create in us a pure heart, he hears and forgives. (Ps. 51:10) Never forget that Jehovah is as he described himself to Moses-“a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, preserving loving-kindness for thousands, pardoning error and transgression and sin.” Jehovah has not changed.-Ex. 34:6, 7. Remember that God is greater than our hearts. He loves us and is always looking for a reason to forgive us.
@Matt Fisher.. Those that choose to live in opposition to Christ...maybe are not truly saved. True belivers want to honor God and follow his instructions...and repent when they stumble.
@@diroberts4075 That's true. MOST people are interested in what others think of them. As Christians, though, what Jehovah thinks of us is much more important. After all, he is the greatest Person in the universe, and with him is “the source of life.”-Psalm 36:9.
The apostle Peter explained that to have Jehovah’s approval, we need to have “holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion.” (2 Peter 3:11.) Our “acts of conduct” are holy only if we live a clean life in every way. This includes the way we think, act, and worship God. Also, we need to have “deeds of godly devotion” motivated by deep love and respect for God. So it's not only our actions, but also our feelings about God that matter to him. Jehovah is the “examiner of the heart,” so he knows whether our actions are holy and whether we worship only him.
www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/#?insight
I “fell away” when I was 18 due to severe depression and then turned to drugs cope. Well 8 years later I’m finally sober and free from it all, about 3 months into sobriety the fear of God hit me like a train and pretty much has put me on my knees for 4 months. I’m now going on 8 months sober and I’ll tell you what, it’s like God has said to me “don’t you dare ever leave me again”. Hebrews absolutely terrifies me now. I’m just gonna stay this time. Haha
"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom", praise God He took you back. I was not born again but a similar story with drugs and depression and if God did not save me I would probably end my life, thank God He gave me purpose to life!!
Amen brother!! So happy to read you’re delivered from drugs. I see first hand all the time the crippling grip that drugs have. Praise the Lord for your freedom! Remain in the one who saved you, God bless you brother. See you in the clouds one day :)
This puts a smile on my face. Glad to hear you've fled drugs and run to christ instead. And Hebrews terrifies me as well, that book will sober you up fast. Glod bless you
AMEN brother. God keep you under his wing.
Just a heads up I’m over 13 months sober! And basically I learned once your His, your His. Only someone who is saved would even care about losing their salvation. Just let go, He has you. I wasted so many months worried I wasn’t saved anymore. Once your His, your His.
Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?"
Answer: First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9).
So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? It’s a crucially important question. Perhaps the best way to answer it is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation and to study what losing salvation would entail:
A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.
A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18-19). The word redeemed refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. We were purchased at the cost of Christ’s death. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase of the individual for whom He paid with the precious blood of Christ.
A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To justify is to declare righteous. All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared. Those absolved of guilt would have to be tried again and found guilty. God would have to reverse the sentence handed down from the divine bench.
A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is the promise of spending forever in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be redefined. The Christian is promised to live forever. Does eternal not mean “eternal”?
A Christian is marked by God and sealed by the Spirit. “You also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory” (Ephesians 1:13-14). At the moment of faith, the new Christian is marked and sealed with the Spirit, who was promised to act as a deposit to guarantee the heavenly inheritance. The end result is that God’s glory is praised. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to erase the mark, withdraw the Spirit, cancel the deposit, break His promise, revoke the guarantee, keep the inheritance, forego the praise, and lessen His glory.
A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “Those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). According to Romans 5:1, justification is ours at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification comes with justification. All those whom God justifies are promised to be glorified. This promise will be fulfilled when Christians receive their perfect resurrection bodies in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.
A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).
Two common objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation concern these experiential issues: 1) What about Christians who live in a sinful, unrepentant lifestyle? 2) What about Christians who reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these objections is the assumption that everyone who calls himself a “Christian” has actually been born again. The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a state of continual, unrepentant sin (1 John 3:6). The Bible also says that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he was never truly a Christian (1 John 2:19). He may have been religious, he may have put on a good show, but he was never born again by the power of God. “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). The redeemed of God belong “to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God” (Romans 7:4).
Nothing can separate a child of God from the Father’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God guarantees eternal life and maintains the salvation He has given us. The Good Shepherd searches for the lost sheep, and, “when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home” (Luke 15:5-6). The lamb is found, and the Shepherd gladly bears the burden; our Lord takes full responsibility for bringing the lost one safely home.
Jude 24-25 further emphasizes the goodness and faithfulness of our Savior: “To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy-to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”
The word Christian isn't in the bible.
@@thehourifirstbelieved3655 nvm I did my research and why are you mad?
Amen! Godbless
Tyler Strombom: You did a masterful job of presenting half of the story. Now, why don't you present the other half and then harmonize the two halves so that there are no contradictions? You made a small attempt at that when you mentioned two common objections. Your response indicates that you instinctively know that OSAS cannot possibly be true. You recognize that true Christians cannot live a life of sin. So the way you get around this is to declare that all Christians that fall into a life of sin were never saved to begin with. Who made you God that you can pronounce such a judgement? You define a Christian this way: "A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit" Then you proclaim that those Christians were never saved when they deliberately keep on sinning. Seems to me the only justification for saying this is to say (contrary to scripture) that once you are saved, you no longer have free will and therefore you CANNOT live a life of sin after conversion.
You have more homework to do. (hint: it is not hard to harmonize the scriptures if you truly will believe and accept them all as true)
BTW- I have never seen a OSAS believer attempt to harmonize the scriptures. They all w/o fail try to explain away scriptures they do not agree with. You can start with this one:
Hebrews 10:26-29 (NIV)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
How can that verse be true and all the scriptures you expounded also be true?
God bless you in your study.
gamewinner some say that verse is talking about people who aren’t christians and Reject the Word of God
I thank God and his only begotten son Jesus Christ who died for my sins. Amen
Amen
John 2*
The bible warns that some will depart from the faith in the latter days ( you can’t fall away/de[art unless you were a part of it to begin with). The Bible warns about Backsliding (you can’t back slide if you didn’t slide forward to begin with). Also, there is reference to people’s name being blot of the book of life (your name can’t be blot out unless it was written first). Don’t forget there are numerous verses that state the following people will not inherit the Kingdom of God- For instance. 1 Corinthians 6:9 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. If sin wasn’t a big deal then why would Jesus say this Matthew 18: 8“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into [b]hell fire. If you sin you are of the devil (1 John 8:44) when you ask God to change your life and you put in your own effort (James 4:7) then you are adopted into the family. God is Holy so you must be Holy, you need to enter the narrow gate and aim to be perfect as the Father is perfect; you will be sanctified and changed overtime and conformed to the image of Jesus. If you are born again you can still fall away ; Jude refers to it as being twice dead. Remember in revelation it states the devil makes war with those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of God. Now most people do one without the other; for instance, lukewarm Christians (Rev 3:16) have the testimony of Jesus but are living in intentional sin. Jews keep the commandments of God but do not have the testimony of Jesus. God requires both! Ivan tuttle went to Hell and Heaven and he said there are way too many Christians who believed in Once saved always saved, Eternal Security so they had Intentional Sin they didn’t repent of pornography, lying, stealing, fornication etc Please see the video ruclips.net/video/GsZCouCzT0U/видео.html (2 Cor 5:17 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.)
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......
@@pastorjohn2780 stop. You have been exposed
Salvation is putting your faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Repent means to turn away to be in agreement with God. Saved people do not rationalize their sins.
Very well said, His true people don't rationalize sin. We call it out even in our own lives and ask God to help us rid ourselves of it. If we have the Spirit living within us, then sin should offend us as much as it does Him, and the Word says He hates sin.
Amen !!
+David Fleming
unless you decide to stop believing. You fool yourself if you think anything different.
No! Repent means change your mind and nothing more nothing less!
AMEN!!! Well said Joe.
what saddens me when i read all these comments is the fact that when we as christians differ from interpretation of the holy scriptures we tend to lose respect for one another. We forget that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Let us, when we address one another, do it with respect unto each other. Many of us will call some pastor false or a doctrine false or the other way around, How do you know for sure that your interpretation is the correct one. It is best to accept that you do not need that any one teaches you except the holy spirit. Let us comment, rebuke, teach in love to one another instead of getting personal and insult someones christian denomination version. Do not get personal, it is not our job to save a person but the Lord's. Let us not tie a yoke around our own necks but let us worship God the almighty in spirit because it is a beautifull thing to do. If someone rejects your version of interpretation, thats fine because its that persons choice. You have done your part in teaching, exhorting to that person. We all know the devils plan is to seek kill and destroy and to decieve so why fall for it. We as brothers and sisters in Christ are all bonded together through his love.So let us treat one another with respect.
Wayne Links were saved by grace through faith praise god
Well said!!!!!!!! It hurts to give your opinion and someone attack you and say your going to hell because you don’t truly believe or arnt truly saved we will never 100% understand every scripture and that’s the way God intended it I think he knows that ALL of us will not fully grasp what it is truly meant to say and you can take one sentence and make it mean a thousand things so just because some people believe down to the core that they are correct in the end it’s not meant for them to know it all God will not punish us for taking a verse the wrong way we need to work together to figure out what we can and agree to disagree sometimes and move on the the next verse I do believe that if you pray enough God will eventually give you answers God knows our hearts and to me that’s what matters to him most our hearts what do they truly carry how do we treat others our neighbors our family our friends and most important strangers! Stop fighting it’s not worth it! God didn’t give us the holy word to fight and get mean with one another about I believe he wrote it as a personal message and that every believer can take it the way God sees fit for that particular time in ones life how do we not know that his messages arnt meant In Different ways for all of us? I can write I love you to my husband and my best friend and a stranger and my kids and mean it 4 different ways God is amazing so if I can take 3 words and make them mean something different for 4 difference people don’t think he can’t take a whole book and do the same for a billion!!! I Love you all God bless?
Wayne Links simply agree to disagree however, I watched a great video last night called The Law versus grace, deception... by watchman on the wall, awsome!!!! Watch whole thing and then think it over
Wayne Links Galatians 1:8. 2 Peter 1:20. 2 Peter 3:15. How many times are we warned of false teachers WHO CAN DECEIVE EVEN THE ELECT
OSAS IS OF SATAN
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I just want to warn anyone who wonder if you can lose your salvation, I personally had a vision while at work of me personally losing my salvation due to constant sin, the vision was clear enough to stop me in the middle of working. I don't do drugs nor drink. There is nothing more important or valuable than your personal relationship with the Lord. Don't let anyone fool you to thinking that constant sin is OK. There is nothing on this planet worth risking your relationship with Him. Please I'm begging you to stay focus and be obedient to the Lord and His will, don't be lukewarm🙏
Wow it is so refreshing to hear somebody actually speak truth and what the Bible actually teaches. It’s becoming increasingly rare in these last days to see people taking a stand for the truth. It’s getting hard to find anybody on RUclips who teaches about endurance and remaining in Christ because everybody wants their ears tickled and just to hear that they are find no matter what they do. Along with being called by God, this is the reason I just started my RUclips channel to deal with these EXACT same issues that are so misunderstood in the church today. I just couldn’t hardly find any good teaching on it so I just thought well I guess I’ll just have to put out my own. God bless and hold fast to the Lord your God! 😀
Oh and BTW I had a vision about that as well. I was stuck in constant unforgiveness and hatred over about a year period and I grew very hateful angry and bitter. God finally gave me a vision of him holding me over a cliff, and below there was a lake of fire. He said to me it’s your choice, do you want me to let go? There was a heavy weight to it and I knew there would be eternal consequences if I told him yes. And the crazy thing is I actually thought about saying yes because I was so hateful inside! But I ended up saying no and he pulled me back over the cliff and then said “then follow and obey me!”.
What was the vision like?
God will never give you a vision that will contradict scripture. If you are born-again, your salvation is assured; it is an eternal work.
The Lord has made it clear that those who are lukewarm Christians will be rejected. We all must understand what He means by this and make sure we submit ourselves to His will.
"I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day". He saved me, not me myself, so if my salvation was something that could be lost that would be Him losing it not me, and we know he is perfect and cannot break his Word.
DARELL CANUP
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Amen brother, well said
@MyKail Lewis We are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13,4:30) Meaning not even God will break the seal, you are saved until you are redeemed on the day of redemption in heaven
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........
@@pastorjohn2780
That is great !!
I used to want to go to heaven. I believed for over 30 years in the Trinity. After a fallout with my son I felt alone. I realized I loved my son more than anything. Once I put God number one in my life the depression I suffered from for 20 years started to dissipate. About a year and a half later while praying for my son to come to faith the miracle of being baptized in the Holy Spirit happened to me. I now know as this Pastor says I am sealed with knowing my destination. Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Keep your faith in Jesus but just remember that the very Bible you embrace speaks negatively about 'faith alone' in James 2:24. That's the only place in Scripture you will find 'faith alone'. God bless.
Hebrews 6:4-6 NKJV
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Hebrews 10:26-27 NKJV
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [27] but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
as a note.....it does not do justice to give isolated verses out of context
Hebrews 10:26 was written to the Jews basically saying that after your have heard, you must at that point realize you cant go back to the yearly sacrifice of the lambs. After Christs death, , the veil was rent in pieces, So that symbolized the end of sacrifice.. The sin is basically "unbelief" in Christ. who is God incarnate, whose death on the Cross as the Lamb of God fully paid for your sin and mine.
Similar in Hebrews 6:4-6. .+7&8 . . read the context first, going back through Chapters 4 & 5 as well. It gives reminder of those who were in 'disobedience', and ''to hear His voice and not harden your heart', about hearing the first principles . In ch 6 it continues to speak about those who come close, yet revert after spending a bit of time and wind up rejecting what they heard..........example of 4-6 when condensed: "Yeah I tried that for awhile, and it did nothing for me." and then they go back to their unbelief & sins. That is what makes in near impossible to actually repent. The words "enlightened," "tasted" shows a lack of depth. Please read Verse 7 & 8 that is the picture born out of Matthew 13: 5-8 about some seed grew for a bit , then under the sun, perished , or seed among the thorns that choked them. then the seed in fertile soil that grew and bore fruit. Pray the Holy Spirit of God reaches us all.
Are you saying this only applies if they proceed with sacrifices
Faith in Jesus + Repentance = Salvation ! You must be Born Again with Holy Spirit! 💗
It’s more like: Faith in Jesus= salvation + repentance + works
@@lyssalouise2705 You need works to be saved?
@@thelionofjudah77u82 no I’m saying that faith gives the result of our works. Faith alone through grace alone saves.
@@thelionofjudah77u82 No I believe they are saying, as a result of faith good works will be produced.
@@lyssalouise2705 Then you have just defeated your first formula of Faith in Jesus= salvation + repentance+ works
That's not faith alone.
Which is why it crumbles when someone asks you (and someone did) "so you need works?"
Faith alone should be faith alone, no more. Add something else and you'd be negating yourself.
“If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”
John 15:6 NIV
“If you do not remain”
Jamie Carson
I agree. Amen. It’s just what the Apostle Paul said to the Galatians- “who has bewitched you that you should not *OBEY* the truth (3:1)?
I could not agree more the Bible clearly says that we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling,
There are too many examples in the bible that tell us we have to remain faithful for this to still be brought up and believed by the lost.
There is so much Biblical evidence. How can your name be blotted out of the book of life unless it is actually possible?
Truth Grace it is possible
There are so many scriptures wich speak so clear, that you can loose your salvation, that it is ridiculous to say otherwise. You must remove whole chapters from the New Testament to not see it! The problem is thst being born again brings us to nowhere, accept we are living a born again life
TheFraBro it seems to me that what causes many to put Bible passages against each other stems mostly from 2 of the Solas i.e. Sola Scriptura & Sola Fide. I think mostly the latter. If one believes salvation is by faith alone and that salvation is guaranteed, they are forced to read Scripture through an either/or lens. So, if John 3:16 is true (and it is) then a verse like 'those who endure till the end will be saved' is ignored because once saved always saved lacks any category for needing to endure. Reformed theology just further confuses the matter. Correct theology concerning salvation is able to marry all the seemingly contradictory verses together. That can only be accomplished viewing all of Scripture through a both/and lens. Only the ancient churches before the Reformation are able to do that. So, verses that teach one cannot lose salvation are easily married to verses that say one can lose salvation. For the average Protestant mind, this is incongruent. Not so for the ancient churches. As we should know by now, the only thing the Solas has given us from is more and more private interpretation and division.
As someone who was recently born again i know my mind has been renewed and the Holy spirit now leads and teaches me praise be to God thank you my Lord
Welcome to the family of God's children. Stay in God's word to be able to recognize false prophets (1 John 4:1). They are everywhere teaching lies.
@@yestothetruth yep preaching osas. Or that Christ is just man.
Most Protestants believe that Christians will never lose their Salvation (OSAS - Once Saved Always Saved) based on Romans 4:8, "BLESSED is the one whose sin the Lord (Christ) will never account against them."... Furthermore, most Protestants say that the Elect given by the Father (God) to Christ Jesus will never ever lose their Salvation." (ref. John 6:37-39)...
It seems to me those Elect given by the Father (God) to Christ Jesus to keep had lost their Gift of FREEWILL... for God will and must not FAIL... which means those Elects given by God to Christ Jesus, guarantees that they could not make any sin or if they did sin, those sins will not be accounted for them for Christ washed them with His blood until the end of their lives on Earth so that they could be SAVED... as if No FREEWILL for them in reality...
But the Bible did not support this assumption... for St. Matthew said, "Anyone who PERSEVERES and ENDURES until the end will be SAVED." (ref. Matt. 24:13)... St. Paul wrote to Timothy before he was beheaded, "I run to the fullest, finish the race, and I have kept the FAITH." (ref. 2 Tim. 4:7)...
Logically speaking, why will the Elects given by God to Christ need (HAD) to PERSEVERE, ENDURE, FINISH THE RACE, and KEEP THE FAITH... if God will not let them commit any SIN accountable to them until their last breath on earth to be SAVED, for God must/should not fail?... (as Dr. White claimed)
The word "BLESSED" is an adjective that gives/indicates conditions on how to be BLESSED... How?... Christians who persevere and endure to the end are called BLESSED... those Peacemakers are called BLESSED... those who hunger and thirst and poor in spirits are BLESSED... those who have not seen but believe are BLESSED...etc... (The Beatitudes)
In Conclusion, Protestants are entitled to their own Opinions and Beliefs... but they were definitely wrong in their interpretation of the Biblically TRUTH without compromise... Christians can lose their Salvation, but those who persevere and endure till the END will be SAVED."... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen.
I'm thinking that your statement "Most Protestants believe that Christians will never lose their Salvation" may not be correct. I saw a recent video by an Anabaptist who, though I'm not AB, did a good job of showing a tree graph of denomination branches that embraced once saved always saved and it was a small number of branches conmpared to all the Protestant branches.
Having said that, it's interesting to note that the Gospel Coalition, who I don't embrace, said that 33% of people believe they will go to heaven. That would make sense because , growing up Southern Baptist, we had a understanding that all the people around us were 'in a better place' meaning heaven. You've probably heard the same thing in your own circles. I think, no matter how we live, that could very well be a human default and, of course, a longing.
We cannot “lose” our salvation,
We can walk away from it. Jesus isn’t holding us in a forced-to- -be-saved-headlock. We freely accept and we can freely reject.
We walk away from it by being in sin, if you were never going to turn from sin you weren't going to be saved.
@@jeffouellette9946 sin, like obedience is a choice. We don’t get to forecast what was genuine by the outcome. People get married and then divorce, do we declare they were never married?
You have just stated the opening of the Didache concerning life and death. The author admonishes his reader to chose life. Scripture says 'I have set before you life and death. Chose life'. Choosing life is not a one-time decision for Christ that gives us a free get out of hell card. It is a daily walk with Him picking up our crosses and following Him daily. If a Christian falls and sins, he needs to repent, get up, be re-united to God and keep striving to abide in Christ. We have a choice to make daily between life and death. God grant us grace to keep chosing life.
Research this one folks. GAMBLE with eternity, really?
Your not alone ,we all struggle with something. Keep moving forward in faith and obedience..Love God, love each other
But there is no gamble, Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
@Felix Mitchell First of all, we are under Grace. Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
How can a saved persons name be blotted out? Jesus says, John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Pretty simple huh?
Can Jesus blot out a saved persons name? No, Why? He says he wont!
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Who is a (overcomer)? Who? 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? See it? Can you? A overcomer IS a saved person.
You cannot even refute the Holy Spirit! Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long is the believer sealed for?
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Now on your actions, Salvation is NOT based on your actions. What actions did you have if you are saved? Either you accepted Jesus or not right? What works is that? NONE!
Now on sins, Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; See it? Can you understand these four verses? If so, tell me what sins are NOT nailed to the cross.
Now, look ,,,,,1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Jesus is MY ADVOCATE! How can he be the prosecutor when he REPRESENTS ME? I think you are warning me about the false doctrine YOU are posting. YOU been warned. Get saved & stop posting Jesus cannot save. He can. He will.
Vincent without holiness no man shall see the Lord....the Israelists were saved from Egypt but did not enter the promised land due to their sin and turn away from God.....so you can not lose your salvation as it is a gift and not of our own doing but we risk not entering our promised land which is heaven if we keep sinning and have no repentance....I think ppl who follow once saved always saved are folks who just keep on sinning and don’t repent. But if we do repent Jesus accepts is with open arms after we sin. Paul has a thorn in his side that God simply says His grace is enough. So this topic is a slippery slope but be warned that we are told without holiness no man shall see the lord and we are told that many will come to God on the last day professing they knew God saying “Lord Lord” I pray none of us will be in that category in Jesus name. If anything trying to live a Holy life does nothing wrong. If once saved always saved is true then we have nothing to worry about, but if your wrong ooooo boy
BigGucciSosaBaby DCUO Osas is the true doctrine biblically
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you........
It is obvious from scripture that salvific grace cannot be taken away from you, and you cannot 'lose' it by mistake.
However, it is also obvious from scripture that one can have salvific grace one day, and not the next. So what gives?
The word "lose" suggests a passive thing that happens to a person. I don't like this.
We do not LOSE salvation, but we can FORFEIT salvation. God forbid that any Christian should, but some have. Instead of bending over backwards to suggest that these people were "never REALLY saved in the first place", it's much easier to show that God abides by our decision to follow Him or reject Him.
We don't earn salvation for ourselves, but God gives it to us when we humbly and self-effacingly ask it of Him. Likewise, He takes it away when we demand He leaves.
Pastor John here only quoted part of the verse (or only explained part) in 1st John. It says "and this life is in His Son". Life is in Christ. If you are IN CHRIST, you have life, if you leave Christ, you will not have life. And the proof that you can leave it are all the countless warnings against apostasy to born again believers in the churches.
If you leave Christ then you never had Him. You could have only been in name only.
God help you if you look to a teacher and do not know the New Testament. There are about 80 warnings about falling away, falling from grace, etc. Trust no man with your soul. Seek them out yourself.
Matthew 18: 32 “Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33‘ Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 “And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 “My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
John 5 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, “Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you.” What is worse than being severely crippled for decades? Hell. Almost everything we know about hell, came from Jesus. Most were warnings to His disciples!
James 5:19-20 (ESV) - My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
2 Peter 2:20-21 (NIV) - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would
have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their
backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its
vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
2. Hebrews 6:4-6 (ESV) - For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted
the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the
powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are
crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
2 Timothy 2:11-13 (NIV) -Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12 if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; 13 if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself. (this does not annul verse 12. Jesus remains faithful)
John 15: 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
Warren McGrew Hi Warren. The Bible says that even our faith to believe God is a gift. We are so depraved that we are not even capable of enough faith within ourselves to believe. Paul says that if we did have enough faith ourselves than we would boast. So, our saving faith is God's faith. He gets all glory. The most difficult thing for us to accept is The Gospel of Jesus Christ. We think God is like us. He is not. He forgives and that is it. It IS finished!
Why do you give only your opinions, your spin on the scriptures? Who should trust you or me? You have been mis-taught as I was. We both have not understand the scriptures. You falsely assume in your words that "we are so depraved that we are not even capable of enough faith within ourselves to believe".
You have been captured by Augustine and the later Calvinists.This was a disaster for the church. You will never understand if you believe in original sin. You must understand the beginning of God's first calling, when He dealt with Cain.
Genesis 4:3 So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. 4 Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering; 5 but for Cain and for his offering He had no regard. So Cain became very angry and his countenance fell.
6 THEN THE LORD SAID TO CAIN, "WHY ARE YOU ANGRY? AND WHY HAS YOUR COUNTENANCE FALLEN? 7 “IF YOU DO WELL", WILL NOT YOUR COUNTENANCE BE LIFTED UP?
AND "IF YOU DO NOT DO WELL", sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, "BUT YOU MUST MASTER IT.” 8 Cain told Abel his brother. And it came about when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
Jesus told Cain "“IF YOU DO WELL", WILL NOT YOUR COUNTENANCE BE LIFTED UP?" AND TOLD HIM HE HAD TO MASTER SIN!!!
IT WAS UP TO CAIN WHAT HE CHOSE TO DO!!!!! And you say""we are so depraved that we are not even capable of enough faith within ourselves to believe". Not so.
+Warren McGrew Cain and Abel being children of Adam and Eve, still had communion with God. With Cain we witness deliberate disobedience against God, and God put a mark on him for judgement. All of this happened before the law was given to Moses and before the death of Christ in time. Remember, man became worse and worse until God destroyed the entire world by the flood, excepting His choice of Noah and His family, whom God said Noah was found righteous in his time.
Faith is a gift of God. Until we are made alive in the Spirit of God we are DEAD in sin. See Eph 2:1 and following verses.
Wow! You are brilliant!. Let me guess. You heard it from an angel of light. And now you are able to change the scriptures. Let me explain to you something. Your words are less than worthless. They are evil.
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1Cor 7:1 ¶ Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
Why not talk to your wife. She has a duty to help you with your lusts. Whether or not she has a sex drive or not, she should be willing to (as a Christian) satisfy your needs as you satisfy hers. That's part of a marriage and part of being a Christian. We think of others above ourselves. We don't want our brothers and sisters to struggle with such things and help where we can. This should be especially true in a marriage.
Talk to her with love about this. Do a bible study on the subject with her.
I wish you the best.
God bless
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:24 NKJV
Is this referring to actual death or spiritual death, though? Because I’ve heard that, if you don’t follow God in this life, but are still saved, He can choose to bring you to Heaven early. This is a genuine question, so, please don’t get angry with me or anything. I just know that there’s two types of death and they’re both technically mentioned in the Bible.
@@oncergirl6600 here it's about spiritual death. Our Lord is a Spirit and He Lives in a spiritual Kingdom...
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My friend, it speaks of the physical death that the wicked man will suffer in the hands of God (v.18). That is a customary language used by people in the Old Testament times. Verse 9 expressly says that the wicked “shall die in his iniquity”; as Proverbs 2:22 asserts- “the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it”.
Oncer Girl
Not to mention Ezekiel was written way before Christ made His new covenant
@@oncergirl6600 Everyone dies, so this is concerning eternity. Heaven, or tormenting hell and the Lake of Fire forever. It ties in to the scripture that reads, those who endure to the end shall be saved. The one who fell away, didn't endure to the end, and went to hell, and the one who did righteousness one day, he didn't have to endure long, only a day, but he went to heaven. He was possibly one day away from hell. God is good.
The whole bible is a book of salvation, even the OT. God will show one, if they sincerely ask Him, with a good heart, or good intent.
A truly born again can lose his/her salvation if he rejects Christ along the way due to temptation. Once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons.
Or, at least, a very misguided doctrine.
Hebrews 6:4-6 says that a person can fall away after being saved. Notice it says those who are partakers of Holy Spirit. A person cannot recieve Holy Spirit until he is saved. Verse 6 says those who fall away after being partakers of the Holy Spirit will find it impossible to come to repentance . Which means there is a possibility of falling away. Otherwise the verse would have said it is impossible to fall away after you are saved, but we know thats not what it says.
You can't lose your salvation because the bible says "and they are in my father's hands and no one can pluck them out of his hands"
that's not what it means, friend...study further
well said! that is what it means!
The Bible ALSO says "every tree which does not bear fruit will be cut off". Quoting an isolated verse out of context doesn't exhaust the TOTALITY of the biblical witness on any given issue. For example, the pericope on the judgment of the nations (cf. Matthew 25: 31-46) makes clear there are people who go through life believing they are saved (Lord, Lord, did we not.....Depart from Me for I NEVER knew you), and yet AREN'T. They may have had faith, but then did not persevere until the end.
exactly and in Rom 8:1 says for those in Christ there is NO condemnation. .
Yeah exactly, He says, "I NEVER knew you". Which is to say, you were NEVER saved.
Did anyone else find his explanation extremely confusing? I feel like he twisted himself in a logical pretzel. After 8 minutes, he ends by saying, “perseverance in faith is the evidence that we’ve been made part of Christ and when that perseverance doesn’t hold, then we were never in [Christ].”
How is that assurance of anything? How can you know you are saved if your perseverance in faith has to “hold” and you cannot know whether your perseverance has held to the end until you get to the end?
Frankly, it makes more sense that you can be saved and then choose for yourself to walk away. Like in any family, I cannot change who my father is, but if I want to leave his house, change my name, and disown him, I have the free will to do so. It’s not a reflection on my father, it’s a reflection on me.
If you leave the family, is your father still not your father, or are you now fatherless? We are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption according Ephesians 1:13,4:30
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The assurance comes from the Holy Spirit when we are walking right. If we don't have assurance from God, something is wrong. We then need to seek God and heed what He tells us. It helps to have a good pastor and church, too.
If we reject him still he remains faithful
False gospel is confusing, the true gospel is believe on the Lord Jesus and HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE, it’s everlasting and there’s nothing you can do to lose it, because going to heaven does not depend on you but on Jesus. #OnceSavedAlwaysSaved
I think this is a very good interpretation of the Word. I believe a born-again believer won't "lose" salvation once he's saved, but there's a big danger: Many people falsely think they are already saved and use that as an excuse to keep sinning in the lack of fear of God. For that reason, "once saved always saved" is a phrase that must be used carefully, to not lead people into hell.
Amen to that!!
God bless you but once save always save is not true. The Bible tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Your salvation is something you work on daily with the help of the Holy Spirit not by your own strength. Being saved does not automatically mean one is going to heaven. We first must be saved, then transformed by the Holy Spirit and become disciples of Christ. It’s crucial to have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. God bless you.
Most Christians where I live lack fear of God, because they think they are already saved and don't need to fear hell anymore, which leads to them not really taking sin seriously. David Pawson's interpretation was that salvation is not a an immediate moment but a the process of us getting rid of sin, as we grow in faith with the help of our Lord. That kinda resonates with me. One thing is sure: while we don't deserve salvation by our good deeds, faith without works is still dead. God bless you too.
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@@original_golden_egg i didn't listen to it all. I believe salvation is immediate. You don't work your way into it. Those born again crucify their flesh. Paul said mortify your members. Sanctification is also a process. Therefore being justified. Is at one point in time as well as progressive. Isaac was a child of promise it had nothing to do with his choices. We are children of promise. We became that by faith. In the operation of God who raised Christ from the dead. God's promise to the seed of abraham was unconditional from my perspective. Because Paul said the law cannot disannul the promise. And if you are Christ you are that seed. So once you receive that seed. The Holy spirit the inheritance is irrevocable. That's how I see it. It also lines up with eternal life being a gift.
What if someone walked up to your kids and started lying to them that eating rotten food won't kill them but they might get a bad feeling in their stomach that goes away soon. Lying to God's children.......what is that getting the Calvinists?
How is this analogous?
Excellent answer Pastor John! So many fail to understand that Christ paid for ALL sin, past, present, and future! And the key is this, those who are the ELECT and predestined are the ones who are truly of Him! There are so many who were led into a false conversion by emotional means especially in many charismatic circles. Key scriptures: Rom. 10:9,10,13, Eph. 1:1-14, 1 John 5:13 Many are not using proper exegesis for there must be a delineation of justification and sanctification. IF God has "sealed" (Eph. 1:11-14) how can a fallible human break God's seal? Not.
Well you can lose it if you turn from God because his coming for a church without spot and blemish.
Robert Tarasiak so a Christian who sins doesn’t need to do anything about it ? No confession. No penance No repentance
Christian Aaron Like a child who sins against his dad, eventually he will run to his dad crying and asking for his forgiveness. He knows the dad still loves him as much as ever and will readily accept his repentance. Repentance is agreeing with God that what you did was wrong, and you wish to turn away from your sins. He is the perfect Father, never will He cast you out. He will absolutely discipline you, but your His child evermore.
Andrew Jackson Sorry you’re wrong. Sounds good. But your words are from Satan. What you’re saying is even if the prodigal son hadn’t repented he would still have gone to heaven
I disagree. It’s a doctrine invented by the losers of the reformation.
Ezekiel 33 12-20
@@christopherton LoL you trust in earning your way into heaven.
The problem is that the New Birth experience, like a natural birth, cannot be faked because it is the Holy Spirit who places believers into the Body of Christ following a genuine faith response to the Gospel. No one gets into the Church that was not genuinely saved. Still, there is nothing to stop them walking away due to persecution or pressure, although we are encouraged to stand firm during those times. The “they” in I John 2:19 clearly refers to people representing the Antichrist-those who “deny that Jesus is the Christ” and “deny the Father and the Son” (vs. 22-23) These were activists opposing the person, work and mission of Christ, not a believer who is defeated by lust or the pressures of life and decided to abandon his faith. Be careful of teachers who use Scripture out of context!
I think there is something to your opening statement but, since the ancient churches have always taught that the New Birth is baptism and, since the ancients churches have always taugh and practiced infant baptism, I would say the matter entails more but, through it all, I believe you are correct since the Holy Spirit is the power behind the Sacrament of baptism that causes a soul to become a member of the body of Christ. The new birth is of water and the Spirit. Thanks.
You are so very wrong! You cannot teach false doctrines!!! Once saved ALWAYS saved isn't true!!! There are so many verses that warn about leaving God's presence. You must stay with Jesus and stay away from sin. A Christian can lose their salvation.
2nd Peter 2:20-22
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
I have accepted Jesus as my lord and saviour. I remember that day very well and I was fulfilled knowing that regardless what happens in my life, I have his strenght end that I can trust in him as my saviour when my time comes.......... Some time later I have falled short, went back to masturbation, porn, lying.... I have become a horrible person. This verse that you have presented makes me feel (this is how I understand it), that because I knew him as my lord and saviour, because I have accepted his gift, yet I have started to heavily sin... I can be saved no more... Today I asked Jesus for forgiveness, I have openly admitted that I was a sinner and I want to repent and trust him as my lord and saviour. I want to be saved by him, yet this verse brings me terror...
Repent of your sins, and ask Jesus to forgive you. He will forgive you. And you can get back into his grace! You're supposed to turn away from your sin, but people do slip up and as long as you repent God will forgive you.
@@tomaszdomagala7875 Please listen to these messages and examine what you have received as building blocks for your Christian faith and how you have built so you may better understand what your experience has been:
True Repentance
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Born Again Through Repentance And Faith, @ 21:46
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Learning The Fear Of God First
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I want to hear back from you.
God be with you!
"For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:20
"But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. IF your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." Matt. 5:28-30
"And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved." Matt. 10:22
“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire." Matt. 18:8, 9
"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell...And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell...And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.." Mark 9:43, 45, 47
"And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Mark 13:13
"...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-those who HAVE DONE GOOD, to the resurrection of life, and those who HAVE DONE EVIL, to the resurrection of condemnation." John 5:28, 29
"Then Jesus said to those Jews WHO BELIEVED IN HIM, “IF YOU REMAIN in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31, 32
"He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor." John 12:25, 26
"If anyone does not abide (REMAIN) in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:6
"But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Therefore, BROTHERS, we are DEBTORS-not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." Rom. 8:11-13
"Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD." Gal. 5:19-21
"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh REAP CORRUPTION, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit REAP ETERNAL LIFE." Gal. 6:7, 8
"But I discipline my body and bring it into submission, lest, after being a herald to others, I myself should become a reprobate" 1 Cor. 9:27
"Add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to CONFIRM YOUR CALL AND ELECTION, FOR IF YOU DO THESE THINGS YOU WILL NEVER FALL; 11 for so AN ENTRANCE WILL BE SUPPLIED TO YOU abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Pet. 1:5-11
The real question is whether a born again person will choose to return to a life of sin. Is this outside of the nature of a born again person? I believe creeping compromise is the easiest way for it to happen.
Yes!
+Tim Lewis What do you mean by "return to a life of sin", because every single Christian has and will sin after being justified. Just read Romans 7, you could hear and almost feel Paul's despair that he continues to wage war against the flesh and follow its laws (by sinning) but that the law of his mind (no doubt in connection with true repentance and related to the truth of Romans 10:10-14) is there as well and because of that we are justified. Sanctification is another part of the totality of salvation, but the two are not the same and I think people confuse the two.
They do confuse sanctification nd salvation because a natural man cannot understand spiritual things! Its just not their reality!
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Yes!!!! With Jesus all things are possible
Jesus called me in a dream. He told me he wanted to take me with him to his fathers house. I read scripture and heard preacher and i know i am saved. I struggle still with sin, porn, Homosexual desires, and gambling. No matter how hard i try or pray these things will simply not go away or "repent", in fact when i try to resist these things IT GETS WORSE. I had given up trying to stop sinning because i cannot do it of myself, I have just surrendered and Trust Jesus with my salvation. i know his sacrifice has saved me.He will make me better, he is probably just pruning me.
+NagualElias it's called the process of sanctification and purification, Romans 8:28 - 30, be blessed.
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The Rob TV Sounds like you have a stronghold in your life. I too struggled with porn and lust of the flesh. God gave me victory over this when I went through deliverance. You too can be delivered from this sin. Once set free, you need to learn how to maintain your freedom by staying away from anything that will cause you to sin.
Never give up hope, Jesus loves you(us) and whenever we sin we must ask the Lord to forgive us and to help us when we are weak. Forgive us ALL Lord Jesus.
“…The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.”
2 Chronicles 15:1-2 KJV
Jesus said "I will never leave you". And "I am with you even to the end of the age". And "whosoever comes to me I will in no wise cast out".
Yes but if you turn your back on the Lord??
This was like listening to a piano or a guitar that is out of tune. For a pastor, such immature understanding coming from a teacher of His people.
Almost every parable throughout all four Gospels, teaches a 'faith + works' path to salvation and connect some phrase like "enduring to the end", "keeping my commandments", "obeying"...always some qualifying action on our behalf. What happened to the 'unprofitable servant', or to the 'evil servant', or to 5 of the 10 virgins? What happens to the branches that produce no fruit?
James 2:24, "You see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" The Greek word there that is translated 'justified' means, 'made righteous before God'. That verse would then read, "You see then that a man is made righteous before God by works and not by faith alone". Could it be any plainer than that?
It is in this 'works' area of our walk that we can fail. When everything in life is just hunky-dory, it's easy to live a Christian life, but when the storms come and the going gets tough, our faith is tested, and that's when we either endure or turn back.
Yes, there are those 'tares' who were never Christians and don't walk the talk, but don't be deceived - Christians have entered through the narrow gate, but now have a narrow, difficult path to walk before they "receive the end of your faith - the salvation of your souls" 1Peter 1:9.
There is a world of difference between those verses that speak to works before confession of Christ and to works after confession of Christ. Works before are like dirty rags but works after are just as important as your faith is. If the Gospels all connect faith with works as the true path, then every ambiguous verse thereafter regarding salvation, must be read through the template of the Gospel's message.
Well written bro, Thank you. God bless the people who raised you! 😊
Brothers and sisters God bless every one of you. I'll dip my oar in to this conversation and I pray those reading will listen.
I DO BELIEVE that if you are TRULY born again, you will not lose salvation. I am speak from experience.
I was working hard to get to know the Lord and I was beginning to walk in righteousness. But, when I was four months into my walk, I was at university. I still hadn't even read a quarter of the Bible and was not rooted in his word nor understood how he operated. I was going through a stormy time with God where "the spiritual high" had worn off and I didn't have a lot of spiritual support and my roommates were pagans (Nothing against them at all, they are wonderful people). But I had been praying on a husband and Satan sent me the counterfeit. And me, wanting a relationship and being so pre mature in my walk, fell for the counterfeit. I didn't intentionally up and leave God. My lover seemed pretty harmless at first. Drinking from time to time, etc. The Holy Spirit definitely warned me. I didn't understand. Beginning to fall and thinking that he was "close enough" to a man of God. We get into a relationship and things get worse. The holy spirit tells me to stop and then I begin to smoke again and then the swearing came back. I would cry upset with what I was doing and then go back to being with him. It was the biggest tug a war I have ever been through. He became abusive to me yelling at me until I cried, apathetic to me, a huge narcissist. I wasn't feeling conviction anymore and I had become stuck in a soul tie. By the time I knew I needed to go back to God I felt like I had dug myself in a huge pit. I knew that I messed up, bad. I had to go back my spirit BURNED for him. I was parched like a desert that only he could fill. I hadn't departed from the faith at all I believed in the Lord I was ashamed I was going behind his back but I felt so overrun I didn't know what to do and the soul tie was destroying me. I wanted to give up but I'm telling you, the spirit in me PERSEVERED FOR ME. I saw the spirit telling me to come back over and over and I knew I was going too even though I was surrounded in darkness I knew I was going to ultimately go back. I took baby steps to recover with how bad I had fallen. I started to talk to him and ask how should I get out of this? (And me being blind) asked him should I break up with him? Once I spoke to him he's spirit took hold and is what controlled me from smoking, I can't make this up. He made it as clear as day the holy spirit revealed to me in an instant as I looked at him the absolute absence of God in him and I broke up with him it was either that day or the next.
After seeing how I was abused and thinking I knew better, do you think a loving father would abandon his child? Not at all.
He never left me.
Not once.
In my darkness I saw how the Lord worked.
I feared him and I was running away when I had snowballed into my pit. In my case, I didn't even know scripture. So all of these arguments and things for different scriptures were ones I had never known because I hadn't even read them.
Only the holy spirit can draw you to repentance.
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day"
If you desire God, it means God wants you.
Everyone whom my Father gives me will come to me. I will never turn away anyone who comes to me,
John 6:37
A bruised reed He will not break and a smoldering wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice
Isaiah 42:3
Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
Jeremiah 3:22
But even if we speak like this, dear friends, we feel sure about you. We know that you have the better blessings that belong to your salvation. God is not unfair. He will not forget the work you did or the love you showed for him in the help you gave and are still giving to other Christians.
Hebrews 6:9-10
So like Piper said everyone is caught up in Hebrews 6 but even the author of Hebrews was like yeah i was harsh. They are still sure the Lord will execute justice and bring you to the finish line no matter what.
The author is saying that it is impossible to BRING THEM BACK TO REPENTANCE because THEY CANNOT turn away from their sins. But wait, no matter how far you've fallen, if you feel the NEED to go back repentance and YOU ARE INDEED turning away from your sins how is this possible? Because his GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU and he desires you more than you will ever know.
If this great firm falling away does happen your heart would have to become as hard as the Pharisees again, be sound and resolute in your stance, and hate God which are all evidences that you never knew God nor were you truly born again and you become one of the seeds of the parable of the seeds in Luke.
I'm not saying grace is a license to sin. But again we are saved by grace not works. When he says to "work out" your salvation Piper brought up his point of oh now I'm saved im vaccinated I'm good. No. If one is truly born again they wouldn't have this mentality anyways unless they were given false doctrine and don't know better because of how they are a babe in Christ. I see this as he wants to develop a relationship with you so you understand him and this takes time and to step into the PURPOSE HE HAS PREDESTINED FOR YOU. You're his patient and he wants us to be feel secure and confident in him. And people forget the verse AFTER "working out your salvation." It's because God is always at work in you to make you willing and able to obey his own purpose.
Philippians 2:13
SO ITS GOD ALREADY WORKING IN YOU. IT IS HIS BLOOD BOUGHT POWER THAT HE MOTIVATES YOU TO WORK IT OUT THE PURPOSE AND PLAN HE HAS FOR YOU THAT IS A PROMISE. IF HE WAS NOT ALREADY IN YOU THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. What about people who repent on their death bed and die and didn't "work out" their salvation? Come on now.
I'm very glad things turned out well for you ma'am and we need to thank God for His mercy and goodness towards us. Most people here are missing the points I've been trying to make. I've said (written in this case) all that's required. My main point to repeat myself is people who are saved need to keep God's commandments, period. Those who think they can willfully sin and God will look the other way ... well ... for the final time: "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."
After studying the Bible for 40+ years, I've found no scriptures saying or even suggesting that a person who repented (got saved) and fell back into sin was never saved to begin with. If that person repents (again) and turns from his/her sin they will be saved though it does get harder to be restored.
Lisa, most folks here are also missing the severity of sin in God's eyes. It saddens me to witness good Christian people attempt to reduce the majesty and holiness of God. Sin separated us from God ... and sin is the one thing that can do it after salvation. Repent and believe the Gospel.
Yes you are correct, and the Lord supports your words Himself (Jeremiah 32:38-42)
Very well said!
Very well said. Thank you for your kindness in sharing your testimony.
Our Lord does not leave us behind.
I had a similar experience with unbelief by going into some false teachings
because of my own immaturity and weakness.
Even in my unbelief, the Lord was WITH ME telling me that He would restore me.
The Lord restored me back into faith.
I look back and I am just awe-struck at His love and faithfulness.
Even when we stumble, He is faithful in keeping us in His salvation.
He who began the good work WILL complete it.
Praise the LORD.
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¿ can a born again Christian lose salvation ?
¿ what does the bible say ? :
¿ how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation ?
Hebrews 2:3 ASV
But my righteous one shall live by faith: And if he shrink back, my soul hath no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:38 ASV
hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.
Revelation 3:11 ASV
And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 3:10 ASV
Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God’s goodness, IF THOU CONTINÚE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF.
Romans 11:22 ASV
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.
Hebrews 10:26-27 ASV
Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; "YE ARE FALLEN AWAY FROM GRACE".
Galatians 5:4 ASV
I agree 💯 we are SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS ! We are sanctified throughout our lifetimes. We still mess up but feel immediately feel bad about it ! God is faithful when we are faithless, it is my grace you are saved through faith , not by works lest any man should BOAST ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
All true but don't forger verse 10....so, we are save (by) grace (through) faith (in) Christ Jesus (for) good works. God bless
So we can sin and grace will abound? God forbid. Know ye not that what ever a man sows, that he will also reap? Heb. 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Several verses speak of God blotting or not blotting names out of the book of life: “I will not blot out his name out of the book of life” (Rv 3:5); “God shall take away his part out of the book of life” (Rv 22:19); “...if thou wilt forgive their sin-; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.... Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book” (Ex 32:32,33).
John 5:24 convinced me ultimately:
“Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.”
Eternal life begins at conversion, NOT death, and, by definition, it therefore cannot be lost!
Flat out falsehood. The prodigal son did not physically die. Furthermore, Jesus was crystal clear that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven. ONLY a mature Christian can even commit that sin.
Once saved always saved is a lie.
If you could lose your salvation you would. Stop holding on to anything we can to add to what the Lord Jesus did on that cross. Believe and he saved. Good works are great, preaching, soul winning, reading the word, praying are all fruits of our salvation but faith alone in what Jesus did on that cross is the root of our salvation. The gospel is that simple and thank God He made it that simple.
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28
It sounds like you are saying the prodigal son died spiritually which it obviously says but do you think that means he lost the Holy Spirit and got it back? If he did, how would that be possible because it seems like to lose the Spirit would be to commit blasphemy? Hebrews 6 seems to indicate the warning is regarding believers who are immature in the faith and have not learned how to walk in the Spirit and be taught by God but seek to be taught by man. As a result, they are being chastened by God for their disobedience and neglect of their faith. So, I am curious why you think only a mature believer can commit blasphemy of the Spirit as it seems like a mature believer would be less likely because they would not as easily backside and if they did would be more likely to realize ir and turn back to God. Like Saul (immature) vs David (mature). Saul blasphemed and was a new immature believer whereas David backslid severely but was mature and knew himself and God well enough to turn back to God in repentance and faith and be restored. Not they David could have blasphemed as he was obviously worried about losing the Spirit.
Eternal life is in Jesus, from Genesis to Revelation. There are ten times more verses and warnings of falling away than once saved always saved. I wish these guys would acknowledge all of scripture.
I am very thankful that my God keeps His promises, Everlasting life and Eternal means forever.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Juhani Pitkäkari so hell is full and heaven only has one person in it??
@@kevinhanes2808 Well no he's giving you an idea of how dedicated and disciplined he was. He is giving you an idea of Olympic athletes and their dedication. He is trying to paint a picture or give you an idea of how committed he was to Christ and the Gospel. That's how I interpreted it
Notice how the guy speaking quotes scripture all the way through and is in doing so glorifying God, because that's what the bible does-his commentary glorifies God because it shows what being a child (by adoption) means according to the scriptures. It's God that is our salvation as long as we play our part he gets us through because we have the Holy spirit, your commentary to this come was I, I, I... Na mate God gets you through each and every second of the day and my bible tells me Satan is proud... Listen to the verses this guy quotes and study them. Blessings
He is not talking of loss of salvation.
@Tomcloud I agree Tom, but salvation is not based on our actions, it is based on what God did for man, This faith I put in God saved me. Yes I did NOT deserve it. But he came for ALL of men. OSAS means we believe in the finished works of the cross Jesus did to save man. It takes nothing away from the word of God. God Bless you Tom & your family.
If a born again Christian partakes in the works of the flesh (galations 5), can he still enter heaven? The problem of OSAS is two fold. 1) it tacitly endorses a life of sin. I can do anything and not lose my salvation. 2) if you do struggle with sin, you must question your own conversion and ask if you truly are born again. OSAS preaches unrepentent sin or hopeless despair. It's an evil doctrine.
exactly
Since the ancient churches have always taught born again means baptism, instead of questioning whether one is truly born again, it seems one should, instead, question why they are not asking God for the grace to overcome the sin. I do agree with you that OSAS does endorse a life of sin. That was true for me for 70 years.
If the repentence and baptism = the start of the race, the middle of the race would be embracing the graces of God given us so we can continue the race till the end and, so that when we do fall, we get up, confess the sin and start running the race again from where we are. In that way, like OSAS tends to teach, you don't go back to baptism thinking that you missed something. You go forward in confession, striving, abiding and remaining and enduring till the end.
Having said all this, each of our lives are between God and us. I can't judge others since I know I was lost in a sea of confusion for 70 years. It was only by God giving me a grace filled Damascas Road experience that I was able to begin taking logical and practical steps toward Him as I continue striving to do along my journey.
(Revelation 14:12) "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
1 John 3:21-24 amen
The problem with this generation is that they want their ears tickled,,
Amen!
He maintains our salvation-He preserves all things by the word of his power. We've died to sin-we're dead. His life is all that keeps us going now.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.......
Indeed. There can be no returning to the old self since the old self died with Christ. We DIED with him.
Most who think they are born again are not...and never will be...you don't say a sinner's prayer to become born again...no man chooses his own salvation nor the timing of it...
2 Peter 2:20-22 among others is evidence you can turn away from God by sin, just like Adam and Eve starting off in the 'saved' state. Whilst I don't have a fear of my salvation wearing off overnight, it is good to have a healthy fear of being able to fall away. And God Himself makes it easier to give up sins and make the transformations necessary.
God covered their sins and clothed them. They are not in hell
@@christianmatteussen98 no one's gone anywhere. "hell" doesn't even exist yet so technically you are correct.
@@TimpBizkit Hell exists as we speak
@@christianmatteussen98 you have to read your bible. When does Jesus say that "wicked" people will be cast into a furnace of fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth? (Matthew 13:49) He says at the end of the world/age. Has the world ended yet? No, so no people are cast into a furnace of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
I'm not talking about "hell" the grave where both the righteous and unrighteous go to "sleep" after death.
There are many other verses in the Bible that talk about a fixed day when sin lovers will have their genes wiped by an enormous fire. For example in Malachi 4 and the end of Isaiah 66. You live this life, then you go into a metaphorical time capsule until one of two future dates: the resurrection of life or the resurrection of damnation. Your next conscious thought after death will be one of these two resurrections, so technically in your personal timeline, Heaven and Hell happen "immediately" after death, but in the grand scheme of things this is not so.
I strongly disagree, how many scriptures say those who endure to the end!? This is one of the most dangerous things being taught in a lot of churches today. Sad
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
When we speak of the eternal security of the believer, what do we mean? We mean that once a poor sinner has been regenerated by the Word and the Spirit of God, once he has received a new life and a new nature and has been made partaker of the divine nature, once he has been justified from every charge before the throne of God, it is absolutely impossible that that man should ever again be a lost soul. Once Saved Always Saved!
Many leading Bible teachers are saying "the only criterion for salvation is knowing and believing some basic facts about Christ." The fallout of this thinking, he says, is a deficient doctrine of salvation; justification is not necessarily and inevitably linked to sanctification. People feel they can pray a prayer, receive eternal life, and then go on sinning.
The gospel of free grace will lead to holiness. Faith is redefined to include submission, and a man becomes a Christian not by "hearing" and "believing" but by believing and promising God he will submit his life to Christ. This is not to deny that true faith certainly involves a disposition of openness to God and cannot coexist with an attitude of determination to continue to sin.
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" (Romans 6:1).
God has already told us what the means of salvation are and what they are not. Works are not a means, whether on the front end or on the back end. The only means necessary for obtaining salvation is faith, and faith alone:
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).
The "means" are the washing of regeneration (rebirth) and renewing by the Holy Spirit and not our good works. The means are one-faith. This faith is apart from any means involving works. Here is the key to our modern dilemma. The Reformers feared free grace and, as a result, did not take the Reformation far enough. That is, their doctrine of the saints perseverance in holiness compromised the free grace of God. Because the doctrine of justification by faith alone was potentially vulnerable to the charge of promoting license, the Reformers simply could not let go of the notion that works played a necessary part in our final arrival in heaven. Unable to accept that a regenerate man could live a life of sin and still be saved, they included works on the back end of the gospel as the means (result?) of salvation.
If the saints must inevitably and necessarily persevere in godliness to the final hour, then the doctrine of rewards and chastisement at the judgment seat of Christ becomes murky. How can a man who has persevered in holiness be chastised? Since all who are regenerate will be rewarded anyway, perhaps many settle into spiritual dullness thinking all is well with their souls and there are no negative consequences to pay.
And if the doctrine of punishment for a carnal life is vague and if the doctrine of rewards is reduced to promise of something that everyone will get anyway, then key motivators for living the Christian life are compromised. The most likely possibility for the continually sinning Christian is that he may not be a true Christian at all.
Saints has been set apart by faith in Christ through the Holy Spirit. They are secure and safe in Him. God will persevere with those whom he has called to faith in Christ so that none will be lost.
"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" (John 17:12).
The true Grace of God is a gift and will not be earned. The Father does chastise a son whom He receives but will never cast any of His own to hell.
"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Matthew 12:32).
It is obvious that the question of eternal security is inextricably involved with the question of free grace. If eternal life is truly offered "without cost" and salvation once received can never be lost, it might seem that some would take the grace of God for granted and live unfaithful lives.
All motivation is lost, it is feared, to persevere in the life of faith. For the man who claims he is a Christian and who lives a sinful life, the Arminian warns him that he is in danger losing his salvation. The English Puritans, on the other hand, simply say he never had salvation to begin with and he had better re-examine his foundations; he is in danger of hell. Only the man who perseveres in a life of good works to the final hour, they said, is truly saved.
The Reformed doctrine of the perseverance of the saints was an outgrowth of the accusations that the Reformation would logically result in moral laxity. It also provided a powerful means of refuting the Arminian teaching of conditional security.
This doctrine is not only absent from Scripture but could, if not carefully stated, compromise the freeness of the grace of God. Eternal security of the saints, this doctrine has labored under amazing exegetical contortions at the hands of its advocates.
This investigation will lead us into many related doctrines such as the relationship between justification and sanctification, assurance of salvation, and the relevance of the warning passages in the New Testament. Can a true Christian commit apostasy?
Does the New Testament teach the existence of the carnal Christian? In addition, we will examine all of the passages commonly brought to bear on the question of eternal security and consider both Calvanist and Arminian exergesis.
The entire context of First Corinthians describes activities of true Christians which parallel nearly every item in verses 9-10. They were involved in sexual immorality (6:15); covetousness (probable motive in lawsuits, 6:1); drunkenness (11:21); dishonoring the Lord's table (11:30--for this reason some of them experienced the sin unto death); adultery (5:1); and they were arrogant (4;18; 5:6).
Yet this group of people that acts unrighteously, and that is guilty of all these things has been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (6:11)! They were washed and saved from all those things, and yet they are still doing them.
That is the terrible inconsistence which grieves the apostle through all sixteen chapters of this book. His burden in 6:9-10 is not to call into question their salvation (he specifically says they are saved in verse 11. He said they are "sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (1:2) but that they were carnal (3:1,3).
Sexual sin or getting drunk. Again, these sins cannot cause a true believer to lose his salvation. Surely a believer can lose fellowship with his Father but God does not leave a believer. The Spirit of God does not leave us when we are not good enough to please Him that delivered us from the wrath to come.
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (I Corinthians 5:5).
Salvation is the full pardon by grace from the penalty of all sin, past, present and future. The man who had 'his father's wife' - a terrible sin - didn't lose his salvation thereby.
"I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee." (Isaiah 44:22)
King David committed sins of murder and adultery and in the fifty-first Psalm, the prayer of David shows that he had not lost his salvation, but the joy of salvation.
"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD, And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die" (II Samuel 12:13).
That God preserves His people from apostasy and sees to it that all of His elect ultimately enter heaven is the clear teaching of Holy Scripture.
"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" (I Peter 1:2,4,5).
The Grace of God, the seal of the Holy Spirit, preserves you permanently. This is called the doctrine of eternal security.
"The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul. The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore" (Psalm 121:7-8).
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Hey Landon, Is Jesus a liar? John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Jesus saves without any one helping him.
@@vincent7156 Jesus cannot lie even if He wanted to, it's just impossible for Him to lie. And that's exactly why the demonic doctrine of OSAS and all it's sick-minded false convert followers are gonna get the eternal roasting they deserve.
@@lovejoypeaceforever Nice book ya have there.
@@tsunadesenju5856 Oh really, so Jesus is some satanic being who lied! That is, going by you.
Jesus says, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Jesus also said, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,
Then Jesus said, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: All of these verses are in John 6:37-40.
Who does ALL the saving? If YOU were to say Jesus, And seeing I just showed you Jesus says I LOOSE NO ONE!
How is OSAS a doctrine of Devils?
LOOK close, I CAST OUT NONE! John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
LOOK, I LOOSE NOTHING! John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Those who BELIEVE in Jesus, John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. TO BELIEVE IN JESUS will have EVERLASTING LIFE! So, Is Jesus a liar? You been taught wrong! Jesus is eternal life and he turns no one away! HE KEEPS ALL WHO COME TO HIM! Might want to RETHINK your doctrine!
Pray for me, for God to grant me repentance and grant me grace, I want to be a child of God, I no longer want to be a slave to sin
Make sure you approach God the way He expects you to with the right mindset. Prayers work together with what you need to have a resolve to do yourself.
You must submit to God. That is essential:
James 4:7-8
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
That's what your attitude needs to be when you are going through the process of *repentance* and committing to be obedient to God for the rest of your life (that's the kind of "change of mind" God wants to see). You must sincerely regret having sinned against God, and come to the point of hearing and agreeing 100% with Jesus' message saying, "I do not condemn you, now go and don't sin anymore" (John 8:11). Your obedience as you choose to follow God's ways is key--that's how you show your faith to God (John 3:36, Luke 6:46, Hebrews 3:17-18). That opens the door to receiving his *forgiveness* for your past sins (2 Peter 1:9), *healing* (Luke 5:31-32), *freedom from sin/addictions* (John 8:34-36), and the gift of *a new life* that you will live for God and no longer for sin and the passing things of the world (Romans 6:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15). That is the salvation you must make sure you have experienced: freedom from sin (John 8:36, Romans 8:1-2) versus bondage to sin (John 8:34, Romans 7:23).
Approaching God in genuine repentance will lead to you receiving the Holy Spirit to lead you to "walk by the Spirit" (Acts 2:38, Galatians 5:16)--with a pure heart and self-control, which is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Any habit that controls you reveals idolatry in your heart. You have to choose to be done with that and it will be part of your past. That's one thing that will come out of your commitment to be obedient to God for the rest of your life. Please see 1 Peter 4:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9.
James 1:21-22
21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls [that's repentance]. 22 But be doers of the word [that's faith, which implies obedience], and not only hearers, deluding your own selves.
Hebrews 5:9
And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of 👉 *eternal salvation to all those who obey Him [...].*
Please stay in the word and obey it (James 1:21-22). The word of God is fuel for your faith. To live as a follower of Jesus you must go out of your way to put the word of God in your heart and keep it there, rejecting all distractions. It's a fight and that's how you need to stand to not fall down. The truth will set you free from all sin (John 8:31-32, 36).
All Christians believed it is possible to lose your salvation until in the 15th century John Calvin formulated the doctrine Permanent Salvation. One simply cannot ignore explicit verses taught in the Scripture that it is possible to fall away from faith.
The whole argument of “he’s probably never saved in the first place” in my view is a evasive maneuver and not a solid argument.
It is the true that God secures the elect, but it is also true at the same time if a Christian deliberately chooses to sin against his conscience time after time, that he may drift away from the faith.
Holy Spirt can not be mocked and blasphemed, that should be very clear.
Did you Read 1 John 3 ? 1 John 1:6: If we say we have fellowship with Him but walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
Me Gook we must practice righteousness brother! God bless, Praise the Lord! I have been struggling with sin and God has given me warnings and signs I can still get back up before he leaves me🙏🏻
@@AntonioSaved How about you heretics read John 6:37-39 where he explicitly tells us that He's never going to leave or forsake a believer and none that come to Him shall be lost?
@@sukka4pain Well put!
@@AntonioSavedGod NEVER leaves you! Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
@Déjà Siku
If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet WALK IN THE DARKNESS, we lie and do not practice the truth;
(1 John 1:6)
You have mistakenly assumed that WALKING in DARKNESS means to just commit A sin. That is not what the term WALK meant to the ancient Hebrews. Here is the definition of the METAPHORICAL use of the word WALK as recorded in Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology -
Walk
...this same verb is more often used throughout the Old Testament and the epistles of the New Testament in a metaphorical way. In this sense it means to follow a certain COURSE OF LIFE or to conduct oneself in a certain way. Many times the verb translated "walk" is present tense in the Greek of the New Testament, which means that the writer is referring to a CONTINUED MODE of CONDUCT or BEHAVIOR.
www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/walk/
So you see "walking in darkness" is far more serious than committing a sin and taking a momentary step in the darkness. It means practicing sin as a way of life which is something no Christian should ever do.
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You also use the word DELIBERATE [sin] in an apparent attempt to normalize the kind of sin described Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains,
I would say this is talking about something much more serious that committing a sin if for this individual there REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE. If there is no more sacrifice for us there is no more forgiveness and cleansing either.
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The word "DELIBERATELY" does not mean the person's sin is a choice of the will for EVERY sin is a choice of the will. The word means:
to sin WILLFULLY as opposed to sinning inconsiderately, and from ignorance or from weakness. This person does not merely fail in a time of temptation he CHOOSES to sin knowing full well how bad it is
biblehub.com/greek/1596.htm
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The fact that the word SIN is in the PRESENT TENSE indicates sin that is continual and unremitting which reinforces that the author of Hebrews is referring to a lifestyle of sin. The language of the verse shows that your characterization of the verse as meaning merely committing a sin is inaccurate
John 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
the Gospel killed me in the flesh, and now i enjoy living in the spiritual Kingdom of God, just waiting for the return of my God and Saviour.
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It's really obvious: those who disagree with this speaker are in Christ and are of the faith and are born of the Spirit. Those who agree with the speaker are not.
“...and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”-Revelation 22:19
“Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”-1 Peter 5:8
“How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?”-Hebrews 10:29
“Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For: ‘Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.’”-Hebrews 10:35-38
Yes, a Christian can abandon God and relinquish their inheritance
More works salvation huh?
Vincent How so? I simply quoted the Scripture
@@yeehaw6267 Doesn't ALL scriptures have to line up with other verses? How do we know if the bible is true? By comparing other verses with each other to see if they line up or not. Now compare these two verses that you have no works in at all. What takes place the second you come to Christ?
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Now being sealed by God with the Holy Spirit, How long are we sealed for? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Paul is very clear, SEALED TO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. If thats so, how does the verses I gave in Ephesians line up with Hebrews 10:35-38? Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hebrews 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. How are any of these verses say you can loose the seal of the Holy Spirit? Can you even tell the difference between a saved person & one who is not?
Jesus is the advocate of the saved. How can he represent the saved man only to turn and cast them into hell? When you trust in your self works, you are NOT trusting in the finished works of the cross Jesus did for man.
Vincent And what of Paul’s words later in Ephesians? For example, chapter 6?
“Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.”-Ephesians 6:11-13
Paul is very clearly telling the members of the church that they must STAND FIRM in the face of evil and WRESTLE against the powers of darkness and WITHSTAND evil. But what need would there be for any of these things if salvation is simply guaranteed as long as you had faith at some point in your life and you can never lose that salvation?
Just a few chapters earlier in Hebrews, Paul states very plainly:
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.”-Hebrews 6:4-6
Paul again very explicitly warns believers of being “severed” from Christ:
“You are SEVERED FROM CHRIST, you who would be justified by the law; you have FALLEN AWAY from grace.”-Galatians 5:4
You cannot be severed from something that you were never joined with. Paul very clearly says believers who seek to be justified by the Law have been SEVERED from Christ, have FALLEN AWAY from grace.
Finally, finishing once again in Hebrews, Paul makes this exhortation:
“But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called ‘today,’ that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, IF INDEED WE HOLD OUR ORIGINAL CONFIDENCE FIRM TO THE END.”-Hebrews 3:13-14
Paul urges the believers to exhort one another, specifically because they CAN be hardened by sin and lose their “confidence.” Paul further says that the only way to share in Christ is to hold on to our confidence.
Salvation is not a one-and-done thing, it is a lifetime of faith and obedience and repentance.
@@yeehaw6267 All of your verses have contradictions here. Why do saved people put on the whole armor of God? Simple right. Who do we fight against? Flesh & blood? No, satan & his followers. Spiritual warfare. How is this some form of loss of salvation? You still have not refuted the Holy Spirit sealing. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, How long are we sealed for? Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. We ARE sealed to the day God redeems us. how can you use Hebrews 6:4-6 saying this means loss of salvation when Paul, the very same writer (I think he wrote Hebrews) of Hebrews says a contradiction?
Now look in your verses in Hebrews, Word like , once enlightened, and have tasted, Does enlighten now mean saved? No, What about tasted? This mean saved as well? Or part takers? PART!
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. How can one fall away from something they never had? They knew OF salvation, but did NOT follow through accepting Jesus as savior, How so? Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. These are not even babes in Christ. They tried to add the law to Jesus thinking this is salvation.
You ran to Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Only cause it says fell from grace. Question here is what is Paul saying? Can you serve the law & Christ? NO. NOT both.Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. What is Paul saying in context?
Yes because you have free will. KJV proves this. It is your choice. Choose this day who you will serve.
Yes and it's an everyday choice.
He that endureth till the end will be saved. You have to endure. If you don't,you will not.
Endure what?
Endure How?
@@tiwanstrong1413 Go away Tiwan. You will not use the bible.
@@tiwanstrong1413 Start with Hebrew 3:14. The word "If" implies condition. For instance "If" you do something, "then" something will happen. In other words you have to continue in your relationship with God. He says to seek Him with all your heart and you will find him. Don't rely on yourself for salvation. Read John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life. You have to talk to Jesus. Trust Him. He will reveal Himself to you and He will teach you how to live for Him. Living for Him and following His commandments is the enduring part. Relationship with Him involves praying and reading His Word. He will be a friend who sticks closer than a brother. He will never leave you or abandon you. Call on Jesus. He loves you.
How do we endure to the end? I believe Philippians 1:6 answers that.
@@Over-for-now So if someone stopped having faith in Christ, they remain saved?
Don’t be carried away by false teachings. Many are called but few will be chosen. Once saved is not always saved. That’s why he will tell many, I never knew you. These are Christians he is talking about.!Don’t ever think you gonna walk after the ways of the world and you will enter the Kingdom..You have to endure to the end, and you shall be saved.
How can you even tell if you're saved or not? It's just symbolic anyway.
You are saved when you receive be Holy Spirit and you will know if you have as it is superndtiral. You entire heart will change in terms of your mind, desires, emotions, attitudes, etc. God’s word will become like drinking from the Spirit and will be sweeter than honey and His word will start changing you on the inside and you will hear Jesus’ voice when you read the word. Your spirit will be strengthened and comforted and you will have power over sin and desire to holy and righteousness. You will often feel the Spirit leading you to do or not do certain things daily. You will have Godly sorrow when you sun if you heart is soft. You will experience the fruits of the Spirit inside your soul such as love, peace, patience, joy, hope, self control, wisdom, etc. if you have not experienced this fellowship with the Lord via the Spirit of Christ then surrender your life to Him and ask for the Holy Spirit and to be filled and tell Bim you want to love and obey Him and He will give you the gist if you are broken and sincere.
Judas healed the sick, drove out demons,and raised the dead according to the Gospels, yet Satan entered him. Judas had to have had the power of the Holy Spirit within him, but still faltered at the end. This motivates me to always be aware of my behavior and attitude towards God, to be as obedient as possible, to be as gracious to others as I can, to be quick to forgive and quick to ask forgiveness when I am wrong. Believers need to stop worrying about can I lose my salvation and concentrate on making a life change by Jesus as attractive as possible.
You can't find anywhere in the gospels that explicitly say Judas performed any miracle by the power of the Holy Spirit. In order for Judas to have had the Holy Spirit at ANY POINT that would mean God would have had to have given Judas to Jesus, which He did not (John 17:12). God would have had to predestine him from the foundation of the world to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29). If Judas had been given the Holy Spirit, that would mean that He belonged to Jesus (Romans 8:9-11), and he did not, as the previous quote from John shows. If Judas had the Holy Spirit, that would mean he had been foreknown, predestined, called, justified, and glorified with Jesus (Romans 8:30) Even if Judas did perform miracles, that would be meaningless in determining whether or not he was saved. The name of Jesus is powerful enough that, whether it is spoken by reprobates or sons of the living God, demons, sickness, disease, and Hell itself must BOW to it. Many people who are reprobate and unsaved perform miracles; you see that in the Old Testament and the New. Jesus said as much (Matthew 7:21-23).
Ethan Channing Ethan, your reasoning fails in two areas. First, the idea that unbelievers can command demons just using Jesus name.
Acts 19:13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, "I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims." 14 Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this.
15 But the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?" 16 And the man in whom was the evil spirit leaped on them, mastered all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
So we see that one must be inhabited by the Holy Spirit to use the name of Jesus
Second, Judas did heal the sick, drive out demons, and raise the dead. In Matthew 10:5 Jesus gives this authority to the 12 and sends them to Jewish villages to preach. Then later sends out 72 with the same abilities (it's in Luke, see if you can find it). As for when Jesus says many who did miracles in His name were never known to Him, maybe they were believers who backslid. Either way we must fight the good fight, run the good race to receive the prize. I, for one, don't want to risk my salvation on the "once saved always saved" doctrine. Peter told us to be holy even as God is holy, and as a follower of Christ I will obey.
MrStevekehl You're kind of ignoring John 17:12. To quote the verse directly, "those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." Again, if Judas had the Spirit of God, that would mean he was regenerated, he knew Jesus was the Messiah, God in the flesh, he placed faith in Him for the salvation of his soul. That would mean God had predestined him from the foundation of the world to be conformed to the image of His Son, that Judas was foreknown, predestined, called, justified and glorified. Jesus clearly stated in His prayer to God the Father that Judas was the son of perdition. He was not saved. We then have two explanations. Either Judas didn't perform miracles, or, as Jesus Himself said, there are those who are able to perform miracles in His name that are not saved. And your interpretation that they were Christians who backslid is proven false by Jesus' response to their question. He told them He NEVER knew them. He didn't say, "I knew you, but you didn't do the proper works to keep your salvation," He said, "I never knew you, depart from me, thou workers of iniquity." Jesus also said that false prophets will be able to perform great signs. The sorcerers in Pharoah's court did miracles by the dark arts. This is not a new theme in Scripture.
As regarding Acts 19:13, I will concede that you have made a good point. I would however raise the question, "Is there a difference between a person who outright rejects Christ so that they use distancing language like 'the Jesus whom Paul preaches' to refer to Christ and one who is commanding demons on the basis of a belief in the authority inherent in the name of Jesus--which is higher than any name, blessed forever--though not necessarily placing their faith in Him as the perfect sacrifice for their sins as the sinless Son of God?"
MrStevekehl Secondly, in spite of our disagreement on this issue, I will state that I believe this is an "in-house debate." I do not question your salvation. I am jealous for the glory of God and His call to holiness in our lives, but I find just as Paul did in Romans 7 that when I put myself under the Law and say "I must do this or this, or I must ask forgiveness for each individual sin," or whatever else have you, "in order to keep my salvation," I lived like a sinner. When I had the revelation of God's everlasting love for me and His free gift of grace, my life changed. However, I do not believe anyone who lives in a state of sin without the conviction of the Holy Spirit is saved (Hebrews 12:7, 8: " If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."), nor do I believe that anyone who has defected from the faith was ever saved to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Ethan Channing Let me be clear, I don't doubt your salvation either. This topic is not to be taken lightly or debated by young Christians. It is a "meat" subject. The once saved always saved doctrine has lead many astray, thinking they can be saved while acting wordly; sinning boldly so grace may abound. In Matthew 10:22, 24:13 and Mark 13:13 Jesus talks about hardship coming with our faith,but the one who endures to the end shall be saved. Also the Parable of the Sower,Jesus says the rocky soil are those that receive the Word with joy, but have no root. Likewise, the rocky soil represents those where the Word takes root and begins to grow, but wordly concerns choke out their faith. If those who fall away were never really saved, how can any of us have any confidence in our salvation? I say I am saved, but is there an event in my future that will crush my faith and show that it was a delusion? You are right to point out John's Gospel where Jesus says he will not lose any the Father has given Him. Jesus doesn't lose us, we turn our back on Him. We betray Him with the choices we make. While I don't believe every sin separates us from God anew, nor do we need to make lists of sins or go to confession to be forgiven of individual sins. It is important to see areas of weakness in our lives and ask forgiveness of sins in those areas. Through prayer and the power of the Holy Spirit we can achieve victory over our weakness and grow in Christ. Then we will see the harvest 30, or 50, or 100 times over. God Bless
OSAS is easily proved using 2 verses.
John 6:39 - "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."
What is Jesus talking about here? What was given to him, and what will he raise up in the last day? The next verse tells us.
John 6:40 - "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
Therefore, Jesus always does the will of the father. The will of the father is that all men called by the father, Christ will lose NONE. If we can lose our Salvation, Jesus did not do the will of the father.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. MAY HAVE everlasting life. Salvation is a conditional state. If you believe in Jesus,have faith in His blood,you are justified. To know Him is to love Him. And if you love Him you'll follow His commandments. And the first commandment He gives after you accept Jesus,is to become established in His word. Rom 16:25,26. One has to endured unto the end in faith to have salvation.
I don't believe once saved always saved.
because Paul clearly states if we don't overcome the flesh with the holy spirit then we will not inherit the kingdom of God.
ROMANS 8:12
Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation-but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live
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NOTICE IT SAYS BROTHERS AND SISTERS! HES TALKING TO US!
Galations 6:8
Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
.notice it says whoever!!!!!!!
also Jesus himself said that if we don't abide in him this will happen...
john 15:6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned
NOTICE JESUS SAID REMAIN IN ME, THIS TELLS YOU THAT YOU CAN FALL OFF.
Jesus told us how to abide in him here
john 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
I currently believe that our WORKS OF righteousness does not get us into heaven, but our fleshy sins can lead to a spiritual death if we don't overcome it with the holy spirit.
the acceptance of Jesus alone, through faith, is what gets us into heaven.
There will be many christians who refuse to stop living in the flesh, who won't make it to heaven. Peter said this.....
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
I believe this meant that even chrisitians will scarcely make it into heaven.
Timothy 2:19 All who belong to the LORD must turn away from evil.
2 Corinthians 7:1 we should be working towards complete holiness because we fear the lord.
1 peter 1:14 So you must live as God's obedient children. Don't slip back into your old ways of living to satisfy your own desires. You didn't know any better then.
1 Peter 1:15 But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy.
1 John 2:4-6 If someone claims, "I know God," but doesn't obey God's commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth. But those who obey God's word truly show how completely they love him. That is how we know we are living in him. Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did.
1 John 3:6 Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
1 John 5:21 dear children keep away from anything that may take God's place in your hearts.
Jude 1:4-5
I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God's marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5So I want to remind you, though you already know these things, that Jesus first rescued the nation of Israel from Egypt, but later he destroyed those who did not remain faithful.
checkoutmyplaylist then you deny salvation by faith alone and according to paul you have been severed from grace.
Do you believe with this statement?
"Only after turning from all unrighteousness, will Gods Grace be sufficient"
Do you agree with that statement? If not, then are you claiming that we do not need to turn from all unrighteousness?
Chad Daniels one can pick out a verse here and there,after listening to a heretick, and all of a sudden you feel like you actually understand that verse,and verses similar that could correlate osas. Osas is so rare which is evident due to so many many false,unstable preacher teachers proclaiming this and that. What might help you to understand is if someone believes in Jesus has faith in His blood,they are justified,peace with God.
But the Very First Commandment to a new believer is to become established in His words,the bible,and even tells one how to read the bible which is the narrow way (to heaven)....which many thousands of false teachers preachers dont even know exist.so they read the bible any ol way they want to and wrest the scriptures to their understanding,not Gods. Which is why there are so many divisions amongst the different churches and believers. When someone reads the bible like God commands us to read it. The way God wants you to understand it becomes very clear and very different compared to how 1000 of preacher teachers, teach it. Its not an automatic understanding of scripture,but its revealed to each reader,who is sincerely searching for His truth over time,and each time you read the bible accordingly,your understanding becomes deeper and and more established , to the point YOU CANNOT be swayed to and fro with different winds of doctrine or false teachins. And as this is occuring, along with the fruits of your faith , enduring to the end,is salvation. Once this path to God is followed,He blesses you not with only the desire to have fruit,but the will to do it,and the power to do it. But just spurting out there osas to anyone is a false teaching. Because then lost souls who think they ard saved just by believing in Jesus, remain lost by not following Gods establishment commandment....because the churches dont even know what it is,and the few that know of it dont practice nor preach it.
one question can you remain in fornication and still enter the kingdom of God?
NO,
CAN A child of God be tempted and fall into temptation?YES
can a child of God THAT still has free will, that's not taken away, continue within that fornication? YES
will that child of God inherit the kingdom?
while practicing fornication?
ill let you answer that.
Thabk you Father for saving me, a person who was utterly depraved and lost, thank you for taking me into your arms and giving me the faith to stand strong, thank you Jesus for your sacrifice that I may wear the breastplate of righteousness! Abba!
"Ephesians 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"
Like Charles Stanley once said, you didn't make the seal, you can't break the seal.
Our free will can break that seal.
Read Romans 1:21-32
@@2Chronicles714_ that verses is talking about unbelievers
Read the context before making a claim like that
@NicoleR-z4p
It clearly says they were believers.
It's says they knew God and went back to a life of continuous unrepentant sin.
Romans 1:21,28,32
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Please read it before you make false assursions.
John Piper has a lot of good stuff, but he's wrong here. Christians CAN fall away. The "once saved always saved" idea is not found in Scripture anywhere. Period. The Bible is replete with evidence that we can fall away from the faith. The Hebrews writer warns his readers about drifting away (Ch. 2) and falling away (Ch. 6). Peter similarly warns his readers in 2 Peter 2:19-22. What about Demas? He was a fellow worker of Paul's at one point. Sadly, the last we see of Demas is that he deserted Paul because he was in love with the world (2 Timothy 4:10). I personally know many people who were once Christians and have fallen away. Some have returned to the faith, while others have not. Some may say that people who fall away weren't truly Christians, but that's not the case. Go back to Hebrews 6. The writer talks about people who had fallen away. These people were ones "who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come." Sounds a lot like Christians to me. And like I said, I personally know people who have fallen away. I witnessed their faith and conviction about Jesus. The world just became to enticing for them. Also, if we can't fall away, why would Satan try to tempt us and pull us from God? It's clear he prowls around trying to devour us (1 Peter 5:8). Why bother if we can't fall away? It just doesn't make sense. The only way we can't fall away is if we walk in the light (1 John 1:7-9). If we've followed God's commands for salvation, and then we live for Him, we can't fall away. If we stop obeying God's commands and pursue other things, we can. It's that simple.
John Piper has fallen for the heresy and cult of Calvinism
Yes, you speak truth. The holy spirit leads us into all truth. I'm saved by Grace through faith. Amen brother
Don't forget, it was the Holy Spirit Who gave us verse 10 to go with verses 8 & 9..........(in) Christ (for) good works. God bless
1 john 5:4 The one born of God overcomes the world -- revelations - the one who overcomes will not have their names removed from the book of life
¡ WRONG !
The one who conquers and who "keeps my works until the end", to him I will give authority over the nations
he who overcomes the world is he who keeps the works of Jesus Christ until the end
@@joseyanes8376 Tell me, who is he that conquers? who is it that keeps the works? who is he who overcomes the world?
1 John 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
If while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
@@underconstruction1093
And he that overcometh, "AND HE THAT KEEPETH MY WORKS UNTO THE END", to him will I give authority over the nations:
Revelation 2:26 ASV
¿ can a born again Christian lose salvation ?
¿ what did Paul said ?
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I ( Paul ) do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I MYSELF Will NOT BE DISQUALIFIED FOR THE PRIZE.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 NIV
even more he said :
NOT THAT I HAVE ALREADY OBTAINED ALL THIS, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF YET TO HAVE TAKEN HOLD OF IT. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 3:12-14 NIV
¿ Do you realize how you are the opposite of the apostle Paul ?
Paul was never sure of his salvation until his death was near :
For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
2 Timothy 4:6-7 NIV
don't be fooled by false doctrines
@@joseyanes8376 this prize that Paul is talking about is not eternal life. You know that there is nothing you can do to win eternal life, besides trust in the already finished work of Jesus.
I encourage you to research those two verses and see what this "prize" is.
if you are so sure that the apostles were unsure of their salvation, then what does this mean - "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:13. ... that is present tense "have".
You can know you have eternal life by examining the fruit in your life. How do you know you really believe the gospel? its by the fruit in your life. If you are truly born again you should be continually repenting, and believing Jesus for the promise. He is the messiah, your deliverer, He alone will do what he promised, which is deliver you to heaven by trusting him alone, and not in your works. Your works are a confirmation of your salvation, but they in themselves wont save you. Christ will save you.
No one will be a hero in the end, Jesus is the only hero. No one will be able to say, "I have won the prize of heaven", because that would be boasting. Apostle Paul says "it is by grace you are saved, so that none may boast". Again I hope you research those verses.
Romans 5:9 - "Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God."
Romans 5:10 - "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life."
so while we were enemies of God we were saved by his blood, much more now that we are justified, shall he save us from His wrath by his life! He will do it for his glory.
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he is talking about the crown of life which symbolizes eternal life and salvation
Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.
Revelation 2:10 ASV
¿ there is nothing i can do to win eternal life ? Then why the bible says
¿ how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvation?
Hebrews 2:3
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Philippians 2:12 ASV
that means you have to take care of your salvation by living a holy life
I recommend you to read these passages from the Bible :
how the church of ephesus was founded : Acts 19 : 1-6
the church of ephesus receives a solemn warning :
Revelation 2:4-5
then to understand the biblical context of the previous passage you have to read : Luke 13:6-9
After you have read it all , I want you to tell me what you understood.
What happened to Paul's "working out my salvation in great fear and trembling" or "lest I be disqualified myself"
ANYTIME A PERSON WHO WAS ONCE SAVED TURNS HIS BACK ON CHRIST GOES HIS OWN WAY DOES HIS OWN THING, LOOSES THEIR SALVATION.
Mya Bri repent and turn to Jesus. Cry out to Him to free you from your sin. Rend your heart, weep and mourn over your sin. Pray to Him to help you feel broken and mourn over it and for Him to have mercy on you. A contrite heart is the only way back to God like the prodigal son had. See the story. Do it now though and don’t wait a minute- Jesus could come back at any time.
MANY are called but few are chosen. It's one thing to allow the Lord to finish the work in you He started but if your free will chooses to step outside of His grace and never repent for the sin we all are subject to on this earth, then you chose not to allow the Lord to complete that good work. Work out your salvation, brothers and sisters, with fear and trembling.
It's always easy to look back and say "well they were never really saved" What about the ones that are truly saved/born again and decide, for whatever reason, to walk away?
adam henderson - they are lost
Mind blown. 😱
Sarcasm: where did you get that idea from?
Justin Lim look at king David. If you can’t call that willful sin I don’t know what is. But he returned with a contrite heart. And the Word says “a contrite heart you will not turn away”. Psalm 51
But with that being said, I do believe there is a point of no return when your heart is hardened to the point that you never will desire repentance. Reprobate mind if you will.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you......
Once you are conceived by your earthly father can you do anything to redo that? answer is no just as you repent and accept God as your heavenly father you can never erase that, no mater how far you walk.
You surely can loose your salvation by sin, Paul warned Christians, not unbelievers but Christians about it:
„The actions that are produced by selfish motives are obvious, since they include sexual immorality, moral corruption, doing whatever feels good, idolatry, drug use and casting spells, hate, fighting, obsession, losing your temper, competitive opposition, conflict, selfishness, group rivalry, jealousy, drunkenness, partying, and other things like that. I warn you as I have already warned you, that those who do these kinds of things won’t inherit God’s kingdom.”
Galatians 5:19-21 CEB
„Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, both participants in same-sex intercourse, thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 CEB
„Sexual immorality, and any kind of impurity or greed, shouldn’t even be mentioned among you, which is right for holy persons. Obscene language, silly talk, or vulgar jokes aren’t acceptable for believers. Instead, there should be thanksgiving. Because you know for sure that persons who are sexually immoral, impure, or greedy-which happens when things become gods-those persons won’t inherit the kingdom of Christ and God.”
Ephesians 5:3-5 CEB
How can they be so blind to preach such a thing!!? I don’t understand
That's what I did😡😡😡😢😢😢
No blindness, just believing God's promises to ever who fully puts their faith and trust in Him. If you had only one verse that you could read, John 3 v16 that would be the only verse you would ever need to know. One word says everything about Gods promise to us, Everlasting!
Got baptized 2 days ago, strange that this was on my mind yesterday. And to think I got this in my recommendation is definitely God answering my questions! Thank you
I encourage you to study and not lean one man's word. If you are not being alert to discern who is speaking the truth or not in this hour of deception, you will be deceived. God wants you to seek Him diligently. If you truly felt that you did that and were done seeking for the answers to the questions you had once you saw this recommendation, then ok. But if you are inclined to keep on studying the matter and pray for God's guidance and confirmation, I invite you to take a look at this:
Can You Lose Your Salvation?
yestothetruth.blogspot.com/2019/07/can-you-lose-your-salvation.html
As a new believer, I advise you to be on high alert and abide in the love of Jesus; don't go outside of it and all will be well.
John 15:10
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them, in prayers, i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (SUFIYANU MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help (WhatsApp or call them now on +2349016292106) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.....
Our pastor has been preaching Exodus for weeks and I want to share something with you. We know the Passover in Exodus is like our salvation through Jesus Christ.
God’s people are ultimately saved by the covering and blood of Jesus Christ, the lamb of God. However there is an added symbol of the leaven wedged in within the story of the Passover we ought not to overlook. The leaven symbolizes sin, and in the New Testament, God tells us leaven can spread like sin and can even be a small bit which can expand and grow into the whole dough lump.
The people were instructed by God to remove every single trace of leaven within their homes, lest they be CUT OFF.
This is an action we must take in accordance to the Will and leading of God to do something to remove sin in our lives. We are called to be holy as He is Holy.
The salvation of the blood of Jesus is not complete without the repentance from sin and the acts to rid our lives of that sin.
So yes a lamb can be slain for you but if you ignore the command to remove sin from your life you may be placed with the hypocrites. The New Testament talks about the leaven which is of Malice and hypocrisy. We do not want to be placed with the hypocrites or cut off from the land of the living God.
We need to be much more careful in working out our salvation and daily seek His face and Will.
The “once saved always saved” doctrine is lacking if all you do is take the Passover lamb but fail to remove the leaven/sin during that period of time you may be placed with the hypocrites and cut off.
Amen! That's a wonderful teaching.
That's true. You need daily faith by grace to apply the blood of jesus on your live his forgivness and by faith you are justified. Faith isnt once and then for always but ongoing.
His grace is sufficient for me
“That they might not turn away from me”….doesn’t that mean we CAN turn away?
This is why we need to learn from the Holy Spirit and not by man.
“And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
Matthew 25:46 NKJV
We see that eternal life is something we pass on to, which is why Jesus said.
“And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”
Matthew 24:12-13 NKJV
“But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.”
I Timothy 6:11-12 NKJV
“that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.”
Philippians 3:10-14 NKJV
So this is saying Timothy and Paul need to lay hold on and attain eternal life after they have already been born again.
Yes we are saved by grace through faith but we must persevere and endure to the end.
“by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you-unless you believed in vain.”
I Corinthians 15:2 NKJV
“in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight- if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.”
Colossians 1:22-23 NKJV
Jesus taught falling away and loss of salvation in John 15 and revelation 1-3 if you would like to discuss this more message me on Instagram @its4thekingdom, God bless
A better name for this channel is Desiring Calvinism.
13 Questions that those who teach a Christian can be Saved then Lost CANNOT answer:
1. How can a person, who has received Christ and all that accompanies that process, as a gift from God that He does not “repent” (change His mind) over, then be lost when the possession of the very gift we are speaking of means ETERNAL life?
2. How can a person whose salvation does not remotely depend on any human works or effort, but solely on the power and work of God in Christ, be lost by any sort of human works, effort, or action, by the body or by the mind?
3. How can a person that Christ died for paying the full penalty of the law, and satisfying the very demands of God’s justice, leave that covenant, therefore, requiring Christ to pay that penalty again?
4. How can a person who has been redeemed by an ETERNAL redemption by the powerful, precious, infinitely valuable blood of Christ, be placed back in a condition of condemnation?
5. How can a person who has been “born of incorruptible (undying) seed”* and is therefore given ETERNAL life as a gift that God does not “repent” (change His mind) of, die spiritually?
6. How can a person that God promises will not come under condemnation, then come under said condemnation?
7. How can a person who has BECOME a new creature in Christ then become an old creature again?
8. “If every believer was foreknown of God, and all who were foreknown were predestined to become conformed to the image of the Son of God, and all who were predestined have been called, and all who were called have been justified, and all who were justified have already been glorified in the sight of God, at what point is it possible for a single one to be lost?”**
10. If God has made provision for all who are saved through the advocacy of Christ, which is based only on HIS righteousness and HIS propitiation for all sin by way of the cross, to act as our “defense attorney” regarding all charges made against us by the enemy, how can one who is saved then be accused guilty and lost or condemned?
11. How can a person who has the Holy Spirit living, or abiding, in them forever; is sealed by the Spirit for security and as a witness to Christ’s ownership; and if this person has been given the Spirit as a GUARANTEE of something that can only be reached in eternity, how can this person NOT be secure?
12. How can a person who is the object of God’s love and therefore saved, not an object of His wrath and therefore condemned, who is promised God’s love will always be true; actually, it is the very reason of salvation, be lost?
13. How can a person who has been saved by the very power God declares He used to raise Christ from the dead and seat Him at the apex of power and glory possibly become lost and spend eternity in hell?
Answer to questions 1-13.................................................Sin
Protestants are enternaining. I watch some videos so I can unerstand this concept of born-again and some others to be able to engage in conversation with a friend. He has shown interest in baptizing Orthodox Christian and I must understand the basics of where he is coming from to engage in conversation with him. I thank God again and again for being the grandson of an Orthodox priest. The more Protestant videos I watch, the more the gratitude.
Truth has to be what you are most after. Many entertaining persons are also deceivers not looking like it (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).
You will be saved if you endure to the end. More than 80 verses warning us.
No. You are saved and sealed thats why u endure.
Persavere until the end. Osas is a lie from Satan.
@Salt Maker I'm sorry you feel that way...the intimicy with Jesus is amazing. Jesus is looking for intimacy and holiness. God bless you.
@Salt Maker listen to precious testimonies. Have you experienced intimicy with Jesus. If you continue in sin you will end up in hell.
@Salt Maker I dogded the question
Have you been demon possessed, have experienced hell. Have you experienced God's incredible love flooding your being for years, his incredible peace and power. Romans 5.5 Romans 1.16 John. 14.27. If you have experienced that and way more we could talk.
You are a disciple of Calvin and not of the Messiah
@Morgh123 I am a disciple of Messiah and keep the Law and don't take my salvation as ALREADY obtained. I will await Messiah's Judgment for that. 'But he who endures to the end shall be saved.' (Matthew 24:13)
@Morgh123 Do you call obedience good works? Once a person is converted unto God through repentance, He receives the Holy Spirit to teach and guide him into all truth. The Holy Spirit speaks through our conscience. That is why we must ALWAYS keep a good , clean and pure conscience, just like Paul had it in Acts 24:16 'This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.' If our conscience is pure and clean, we have NOTHING to worry about and we WILL be saved. It is as simple as that. It really is not hard to do. But the FIRST step that we must do, is make ourself FREE from the love of the world and the things in the world. That is step #1. 'Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the LOVE of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-is not of the Father but is of the world.' (1 John 2:15-16) How can we expect to be welcomed into God's kingdom when we love the world or the things in the world, thus telling God that we don't LOVE Him?
@@henkbloemhard3488 Think you are saved by the good you do? Eternal life is taken the moment one comes to Jesus.
@@vincent7156 Where did I say that one must do good to be saved? I said that we must HATE the world and the things in the world (1 John 2:15-17) You call THAT doing good? And DON't expect to get eternal life if you commit conscious sin and don't repent and confess it to God. (1 John 1:9) You will then hear: 'Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)' (Matthew 6:23)
@@henkbloemhard3488 You clearly have no clue to what a saved person is do you? Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; ALL sins of the saved person is already judged AT the cross.Where does repenting save?
2 Peter 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What true proverb says has happened to them "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing itself, returns to wallow in the mire"This made me think "Hmm maybe you can lose your salvation?" I am seeking His word and His voice concerning this because I do not know everything there is to know about God and I am humbly and eagerly searching for the truth. I prayed for God to make it clear and as I was typing, the parable about the sower (Matt 13) came to me. Some of the seeds sprouted up right away and dried up quick because the roots weren't deep, others were eaten by birds after falling off to the side, some fell on the thorns and when they sprouted, they were choked by the thorns...but some, fell on GOOD soil. The soil that was prepared for the seed. And it brought forth fruit! PRAISE THE LORD FOR THIS CLARITY! Those who 'lose their salvation' were not good soil. Anyone have anything else to add? I want to understand more!
+Kristina Glackin Maybe you can lose your salvation? Maybe you don't know what scripture teaches on this all-important subject? you can begin by reading and studying the following passages on this subject: John 6:39,40, 10:28,29, 11:25,26, 14:16, Acts 16:30,31, Romans 3:23 - 26, Ephesians 2:8,9, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:17 - 212, 1 John 3:14,15, be blessed as you learn the truth.
+Kristina Glackin Hebr 10,12, & 2 Peter 2:20 - 22 refers to those who were exposed to the gospel, tasted it and had knowledge about it, yet never accepted it, they were never spiritually regenerated, and are referred to in 1 John 2:19.
+fourteen, your interpretation is one of falsity and it is what has been handed done to you from false prophet to false prophet over many generations. This passage is as clear as it can be, yet the heart and mind of men don't recognize God's word as the ultimate authority. These people who have taught you these false doctrines are denying the God's authority and clarity of His word by trying to interpret it in ways that do not have any truth to them.
Kristina, I read your post and felt compelled to respond. Salvation comes through faith alone. Once you believe you have eternal life. If you could lose it, then it wouldn't be eternal. If you have to work to keep it then it no longer a gift. The parable of the sower describes the 4 types of people. The two who's seed fell on pour soil describe typical American Christians. The word (seed) produces life (salvation) but they never go forth to produce fruit or more disciples. they are saved, but will not earn rewards and their condition is worse when they started. Remember when reading scripture to post attention to context, audience and purpose. Most will cherry pick versus to substantiate their point, for example 1 John was written to mature believers (already saved) on how to have confidence before Christ's throne. it wasn't a salvation test or written for the purpose of evangelism.
Matthew Degeorge Amen! Good comment. Calvinists/Lordship Salvationists will always take the parable of the sower out of context and use eisegesis and will always misinterpret soils 2 and 3 as "unsaved false professors", and only see the 4th soil as the truly saved.
The fact is, there are more Luke 8:13-14 Christians in this world, but they are still saved.
God keeps you, not yourself (Jude 1:24-25). The Holy Spirit is our gurantee of Salvation forever (Eph. 1:13-14). Jesus will lose none that the Father has given Him (John 10). Sinning too much? Read Romans 7 and learn that Paul struggled with sin and that he said it wasn't him, but his sinful nature! Finally, Heb. 6 and Gal. 5 are hypothetical arguments because 1 John 2:19 doesn't allow a true Born-Again Believer to actually lose their salvation...rather "those" outliers were never actually saved (thus, the parable of the different types of Soils).
Perseverance in the Faith (if) is the argument.
Telling someone they're saved because 1 day they responded this 1 way, but their life never changed is a recipe for disaster. Not all should be teachers...
Thanks for preaching the truth. Only blood takes away sin and nothing else, only the sacrifice of Christ did it. We cannot undo it, because it relies on the performance of our Saviour and not ours. Someone may decide in their mind to abandon the faith but the Spirit will forever be there whispering and guiding:)
God's love
Nicolas
can this pastor explain the case of Annanias and saphira ...who died for allowing Satan to fill their hearts to lie to the Holy Spirit...are they in Heaven??.. your teaching is straight from the pit of Hell
What I don't understand about the doctrine of eternal security is, what is the point of repentance after salvation if you believe that you can never fall out of favor with God? What is the point of picking up your cross and enduring in faith and obedience to the end, if all you have to do is have one encounter with Jesus with no strings attached and that's it?
Do you not believe that you can grieve the Holy Spirit? Can one make it to heaven without ever regularly praying?
Do you not believe that the wages of sin is still death even for the saved?
I'm not trying to be contentious or rude, but I want to know why some other Christians believe this doctrine.
You ask good questions. I especially like this one: "What is the point of picking up your cross and enduring in faith and obedience to the end, if all you have to do is have one encounter with Jesus with no strings attached and that's it?" The fact is that scripture does not teach you only need one encounter with Jesus and that's it. It teaches salvation in past, present, and future tenses. We have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved. It also speaks of the believer's HOPE of eternal life. You do not hope for something you already have because if you already have it, you don't need to hope for it. Paul puts it this way:
"For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently." Rom 8:24-25 NIV
On the one hand, we already have eternal life when we believe in Jesus, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." John 3:36 ESV
But on the other hand, we have hope in what is promised in the gospel, "Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation- if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the HOPE held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant." Col 1:21-23 NIV
God bless.
Yes! You have to overcome, otherwise the Lord can spit you out of His mouth and "blot" your name out of the Book of Life (Rev 3:5 & 16; 21:7-8). Wake up church!
Revelation actually says tree of life not book of life.
@@stephaniesomera8695 Revelation 3:5.
Get your context straight
John 10:28 King James Version (KJV)
28" And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
Amen. Well Piper sure won't comment here. Ever.
He was gracious enough to respond 4 times to a question I had last week 🙏
John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Luke 13:3 REPENT or PERISH!
John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
@@godsdone6135 True. Amen.
Pastor John. I do not quite agree with your answer. Hebrews 6:4-6 says "4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame".
These people were once enlightened and they, on their own, chose to turn their backs on Christ. This is not talking about about simple backslidding but denouncing of Jesus. Those who denounce Jesus lose their salvation.
1 John 5:16 "6 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." There is a sin that leads to death.
Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
God forgives all sin except denying Jesus. My answer would be a big YES, if they denounce Christ they lose salvation.
I would have given your answer if the question is "Can God take away salvation from us?" No. But we can turn back our backs on Him, which leads to death.
Be blessed in the name of Jesus
+Munyaradzi Chiremba A Christian can DENOUNCE Christ by the pattern of life he/she is living, and God may decide to remove His Holy Spirit from him/her. "IF you love me you will keep my commandments." God gives us His Holy Spirit, The Spirit of power and a sound mind, to obey him and fight the fight against the world, the flesh and the devil. It is spiritual warefare the Christian is engaged in. That is why Jesus says, "To those who overcome I will give the crown of life"; and He says to them, "Well done, good and faithful servant".
+williamabeck46 i lost the Holy Spirit last year 2015 of February seeking buddhists instead of staying faithful with Jesus. i'm afraid i lost my salvation if i don't have the Holy Spirit in me any longer. i've been praying everyday for an hour in hopes that God will do a miracle to give me back his Spirit so i can be saved. i was born again from my experience. i had the Holy Spirit since 2011 February, that's when i started my walk with Jesus. i never wanted to leave the faith, i made the mistake in thought that i could get help from buddhists or help from demons if that's what they are or the devil and say sorry later to Jesus. do you have any words of encouragement or advice for me or anyone that thinks a born-again believer can lose his or her salvation? i wanted to private message you williamabeck46. thanks so much. i need Jesus again, without him i'm headed to hell. :( i think i committed a Hebrews 10:26-30 and/or a Hebrews 6:4-8. i have already said sorry and repented but not sure if i can be renewed unto repentance. thanks again
+Munyaradzi Chiremba No where does it state that these people were spiritually regenerated - they only had knowledge also referred to in 1 John 2;19.
Consider this : The whole book or epistle of 1 Corinthians is a letter that is addressed to the "saints" in Corinth. In other words, that letter and those warnings is addressed to people that had already been " born again " or who are already "saved". Pray tell, why would Paul spend so much time warning Saints or saved people about the things that could keep them from getting to heaven if there is/was no possible way for those "Saints" could miss out ? All of Paul's epistles are to "Saints" not to the lost. Rightly dividing the word is 100% necessary for us to understand it correctly and even then we will need the infilling of the spirit to help our understanding.
Amen.
I think the problem with this topic is that people are making the wrong assumption with this ideology. *It's not 'Once Saved, Always Saved' but 'Once Born-again, Always Saved'.* If we look at the Parable of the Soils/Sower, told in Matthew, Mark and Luke (Mt 13, Mk. 4, Lk. 8).
Jesus states of the meaning for the four soils:
*The Sower and the Seed* - “The sower sows the word. The seed is the word of God."
*1) The Side of the Road* - "Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved."
*2) The Rocky Soil* - "These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble."
*3) The Thorny Soil* - Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
*4) THE GOOD SOIL* - "But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, understand it, accept it, keep it and bear fruit with patience."
Therefore:
1) The Side of the Road - These are the people that hear the word, scoff and turn away immediately. (John 12:47, John 8:47, Jeremiah 6:10)
2) The Rocky Soil - These are the people that say they believe the gospel but soon as things get tough, that turn away, when people make fun of their new found Christian beliefs, or something bad in their life happens, they denounce Christ. (Proverbs 24:10 & 16, Matthew 7:26-27, John 12:48, Matthew 10:33)
3) The Thorny Soil - These are the people that love all the worldly things, do the bare minimum, would rather keep living sinful lives, and want to hear 'Once Saved, Always Saved' preaching (cause its reassuring to them), therefore do not produce good works (fruits) for God. (James 4:4, James 1:21-27, 2 Peter 2:1-3 & Matthew 7:15-20, James 2:14-26, John 14:24)
4) THE GOOD SOIL - Now these are the ones who have the Holy Spirit, the ones God had foreseen that would love him, the "truly born-again, always saved" believers of Yahoshua Ha'Mashiach/Jesus Christ of Nazareth and therefore provide good fruit for the glory of God. (2 Timothy 3:10-16, Romans, 10:9-10, Acts 2:38, Ephesians 1:13-14 1 Peter 1:23, John 14:15, Galatians 5:22-23, Colossians 1:10)
So the real question isn't: 'Is it, Once Saved, Always Saved or...?'
But "What Type of Soil Am I?" (2 Corinthians 13:5, Galatians 1:10)
And remember there is ALWAYS an open invitation to salvation. To be saved and to live like Christ. (Romans 11:17-23, Hebrews 6:4-6, Colossians 3:5-10, Ephesians 4:1-6, 1 John 2)
Cause its not WWJD, its Do As Jesus Did! (1 John 2:6)
"Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy - meditate on these things. The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you." - Philippians 4:8-9
As far as the predestination goes, God is Omnipresent so he knows who, in their heart, will love Him, given the choice to do so, or not. Still maybe that was the wrong word choice, instead I should maybe have said, 'Pre-seen as accepting' or 'Those He foresaw choosing Him'. Everyone is given free will, so for those He knows will not chose to turn to Him, he mourns for them and is still wanting that they would chose differently. (Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:3-6, Numbers 14:11, Proverbs 1:20-33, Luke 10:16, Psalms 107, John 3:17-18, Hebrews 6:13-20, 1 John 4)
"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." - Romans 8:28-30
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved." - Ephesians 1:3-6
"Then the Lord said to Moses: “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?" - Numbers 14:11
"He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." - Luke 10:16
"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:17-18
"For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.” And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.
This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." - Hebrews 6:13-20
pathstogodbyfaithcom Rest assured that I will most certainly answer your lengthy list of questions, with as much love, compassion, understanding and faith as God will allow me to muster. I have however been rather ill as of late and with thanksgiving matters at hand time to answer your question with the respect it deserves it not available right now. As I said I will reply in due time.
God bless you Brother.
+JMess84 no... Jesus died for all.... all are forgiven...all are "saved"
JMess84 On what grounds are you claiming that 75% of the grounds are unsaved? Does the word fail 50% of the time? It's clear the hard path is not saved, but not so fast on the other grounds. If the other grounds (stony and weedy) are not born again, and the main difference is works, then is that not works based salvation? What is the symbol for the Holy Spirit in your explanation? That seem to added to the meaning of the text.
The fruit has seeds and the word is not coming out of 50% of the believers. They are not fruitful and multiplying.
Fred Tusing Actually most Christians believe this to be true. (75%)... but it is indeed false.
“MANY ARE CALLED BUR FEW ARE CHOSEN” SO YOU ARE NOT SAVED BY THE CALL BUT BY RESPONDING THE CALL
John 15:6
6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
REMAIN!
Matthew 24:13
“But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
THE ONE WHO ENDURES
So correct
God is the one who does the work in us to respond to his calling! Romans 8:7 - The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God, it doesn’t submit to Gods law, nor can it do so.
Unless God pours out his spirit in you and gives you a new heart, which in terms means to be born again, you won’t persevere to the end.
1 Corinthians 1:8 - He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the of our Lord Jesus Christ.
"God says, you will know the truth n the truth will set you free"
The truth is Christ. And Christ does set us free. The Holy Spirit is truth and we have to have the Holy Spirit also.
jeff ouellette
Indeed yes, it’s true; but only “...do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh”(Galatians5:13 NIV). And as we have been reminded in the epistles, as we are the temple of God “...and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are”(1 Corinthians 3:16-17).
If it were not possible,
then why is it constantly addressed throughout the New Testament?
the Lord guides every honest repented heart into his truth. the topic of salvation is very clear in the Bible,it is people who love sin and this world more than God that are confused or decieved.
Amen! Amen! those are the ones deceived nd confuse alllll the time...no matter how u explain they will never understand but its truth...Gods truth. And it can only be known by His Spirit living in you!!!
Ofcourse he can!!! It's a daily fight !!!!!!!! God chastises those he loves, MAKE NO MISTAKE.
No they can’t
JustChan umm yes you can. That’s the bittersweet notion of FREE WILL
@@Latinblood so...u think u have to WORK to keep ur salvation?
Precious Akande having true faith is a work so yes. I wake up every morning and I can chose to sin or put my trust in God. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. I can lose salvation at any moment when I chose to turn away from God.
@@Latinblood First of all...Believing in Jesus isn't a work....U CAN'T LOSE WHAT U NEVER EARNED .. u CAN'T chose to sin if ur truly saved...when ur saved ur dead to urslef and alive in Christ
Anyone who believes that you can lose your salvation does not understand the gospel or the work of regeneration. They are just plain ignorant of what the bible teaches us.
+BigG99 No we just don t read the bible with the wishful thinking we could life in sin and still be saved thats blasphemy against gods words
jesusist derherr
well that is exactly the point.. A regenerate person will show the fruit of salvation which is an ever increasing life of holiness. If you live a life of carefree sin post regeneration it means you were never saved to begin with. If you believe you can lose your salvation after you have been regenerated, than you just simply do not understand the doctrine of regeneration or the many verses that speak to the contrary. I could list a few if you would like?
amen bro!!!
+BigG99 Right, these people don't seem to understand that scripture does not and cannot contradict itself, and they don't seem to grasp knowledge of the process of sanctification and purification, Romans 8:28 - 30, even when I tell them, be blessed.
J Day
haha, do you know that sanctification is not just about growing to be like Christ but is about being placed in Christ and made Holy? it is a finished work. Did you also know that Christ says in John 6:37-39 that Jesus will take all the father gives him and that he will LOSE NONE OF THEM! We cannot lose our salvation because Jesus ensures it. Once you have been born again, made alive and substituted by Christ, you cannot go back. The problem is that you think the Verb "belief" is possible apart from Christs work. You believe because God has regenerated you and made it possible for you to do so. You can no more lose your salvation, than you can crawl back into your mothers womb after birth. Who taught you such terrible theology?
OSAS has led millions of christians into a sin embracing lifestyle that causes them to loose their faith and obedience to God and ultimately their salvation!!!