Simon Jordan is ADAMANT That the Saudi Arabian Pro League Will NEVER Dominate World Football! 🔥
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2023
- With the Saudi Arabian Pro League being one of the most talked about leagues during the summer transfer window, Simon Jordan has his say on why he doesn't think the league will be able to dominate world football.
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If this was from the MLS, they would find an excuse to justify it. That's the worst part of this discussion. No amount of talking is gonna stop what they are planning. Eventually they will all fall in line.
Money reallly talks Simon. Qatar WC is the proof.
USA doesn't behead gay people, hope his helps explain why people are upset with the sports washing
Can’t compare MLS to SPL because football in America has grown slowly with consistent small investment building strong fanbases, stadiums experiences, relationships with the cities they are in. Growing it slowly into what it is today. SPL is trying to skip all that process. And it won’t be sustainable in the long run.
@@eddycarpenter8989 They're already having difficulty getting people to fill their stadiums, they clearly didn't learn from the failure of the Chinese league
Because Saudi Arabia does not have income tax, even equal wages will be far from equal. We're talking tens of millions over the course of a five-year deal.
Agreed. Saudi is completely tax free, meaning that your net salry equals your gross salary - whilst in UK your net salary is about half of your gross salary.
You guys following even the closing window of Saudi league hahahah so funny. I love it
They have been buying Premier League players, is that not a reason to follow it? 🙃
Considering they have been trying to poach Salah for 200 million+ I'd defo say it's worthy
Looking forward to the day Jim White will provide commentary on the Saudi League 😂
The Saudis do not forgive those who underestimate them. Obama was not received at the airport. Biden was not received at the airport. They are the presidents of the most powerful country in the world. Do you think they will give a show to broadcasters?
He's a presenter not a commentator
All of Talksport were happy to take a drug cartel money and literally read out their press statements(Daniel Kinahan). Evervody knew who he was. Jim works fights with 12 people in the audience. Of course they would sell out to Saudi.
Only in your dreams! You probably dream about being English aswell.
@@AJ-xv7oh Who convinced you, a black man, that you were an Englishman?
Even if after 100 years, you will still be in the eyes of the Europeans that slave who obtained a homeland
This is the truth you don't want to admit to yourself
I know White plays the protagonist but Simon is spot on with his observations
spot on, one day Simon is going to put him through a table
Imagine these two during an afternoon session in the Rose n Crown. @@onefortheroadbangkok6154
White is the quintessential devil's advocate. 'You said that would never happen' White knows full well Simon has never said that about Saudi's entering the Champions League. He is a cheeky little tinker is that one.
antagonist when required
Very clever man
Wrong Simon,
A Big Advantage they also have is the Tax advantages.
Earning 200k in Saudi is basically like earning 400K in the UK
Wrong King - to be the top league Saudi would need to have teams in the Champions League. To do that they’d need to fall under the UEFA financial fair play rules as all other Champions League clubs have to - which they can’t do because they pay so much in transfer fees and wages and are light years away from getting the commercial revenue they need to fall under the allowed losses.
@KINGKING10109 Good point, but the financial advantage even with this tax factor is now reduced once you have to comply with the rules. Previously they could pay obscene wages almost 200% to 500% more but now it is truncated to 40% to 50% tax depending on the country you are residing in and that will be a huge drop from what they are being paid currently hence it lowers the incentive for top players to move. Plus what Simon said about a USP apart from finance is yet to be identified. Not saying it is an impossible task but there is no evidence for the Saudi league to be the best in 6 years...Let's wait and watch
Football isn't about the players it's about the supporters, they can't buy a hundred years of history.
@@bryanross421 You guys do know that FFP isn’t under criminal jurisdiction right…?
No one will get arrested and go to prison.
So they could simply just break the FFP rules, pay the fine and accept the 1/2 year UCL ban…
A 1/2 year UCL ban is STILL better than not competing in the UCL at all…🤣
Plus by then they would’ve bought all the players they wanted already, and possibly even pay some of their wages upfront so it fits under a previous financial year.
There’s soooo many loopholes.
PSG & Man City have been doing this for yearsss, are you guys forgetting about the 115 Man city charges, and then spending 50 million on lawyers to beat the case…
Also Mbappe is currently earning about 100 mill a year,
This is PSG guys.. a tiny club.
There’s so many loopholes in this game.
PGA golf thought there was nothing to worry about a few years later they had to agree a partnership or be left in the past
Saudis pump money out of the ground 1 billion to them is like 10 billion to everyone else
Wait till the Saudis have a reasonable level of football and stars and offer sky the broadcasting rights for nothing
Game changed
Watched some games, they are actually very fun to watch I must say. Hopefully they will grow.
Whisper it
SPL level will be second to PL only
AlNassr play some Real Madrid level football ngl
@@tevildo45
Obviously you don't know what your talking about
AL Ahli would play Rangers off the park
And the Saudis aren't done yet
Next year even Haaland and Co could be there
Its an irony tbh the PL was made by money and will be destroyed by it😂😂😂
@@baka28032 fun? the games are so low quality it's appalling to watch
@baka28032 go and watch them now instead then, why are you still here? Off you pop 👋
The absolute fact is :
The Saudi pro league is now 100X more interesting and fun to watch than before !
Which just means that it is now as interesting and fun to watch as the Greek third division.
@@jaysmith2858 dont know about greek 3rd division but its certainly better than english farmers league..🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean you could say the same thing abut the chinese league a few years ago lol. That lasted...
@@popatlal2024 Are you referring to the English football league that is the most watched sports league in the world?
And you'll get stoned to death if your gay
There might be money in Saudi but there's no football culture. Their top club Al-Hilal, one of the biggest clubs in Asia averaged 9,300 last season, that's less than what non league Wrexham averaged. This season in the Saudi top flight there are only 4 clubs averaging over 10K and one club can't even break a 1000 average. The current average in the SA top flight is 9K, that's less than league 1 level. In England there are several teams in the lower divisions with zero star players who can pull in 25K gates. So the Saudi league will never be a tv attraction with matches being played in small athletics stadiums with hardly any fans.
If a Saudi Club joins the UCL i’m done with football. I will start following another sport. It won’t be easy but i will try.
Okay 🤓
It would be a joke if they do. Like SJ said it's a European competition.
Joining UCL doesn't guarantee playing. They'll probably have to go through play-offs like Turkish teams or second-placed teams Scottish, Serbian and Austrian leagues. You really think a team of ageing superstars coached by who failed managers are going to be competitive against elite European teams?
I can guarantee you that Rangers (which was dumped out of the recent UCL play-offs) can run circles around Steven Gerrard's Al-Ittihad (or whatever his team is called) any day.
Soon it will be called the 'who's got the most money' league. Sounds great 👍🏻
@@Marco___Polo Apparently you're not done with it.
it probably will is they don't use current clubs, they could create super clubs representing each continent. Then it may have the effect of cricket when it went to ODIs. I would rather follow domestic league however
Deluded you
Jim is stubborn, he doesn't listen. Regardless of how Simon articulate how the Saudi league is not a threat to the PL, he keeps saying the landscape is changing. He had to say it again at the end of this clip. He will say it again when they discuss this for the hundredth time.
Is Jim lining up a job there?
Jim's job is to get Simon talking. If he lets Simon finish a thought the conversation ends quickly so he cuts him off and redirects the conversation so they can fill the time.
Because Jim knows how the EPL start getting higher it's through the sky sports money so the English can put their head under the sand but like it or not they will develop their sports
Jim white haha
Demari Grey! Wow what a loss😂
Hey Jimmy, dae ye fancy another pint or go hame and take a gander at the Saudi League, Neves is playing and Stevie's on the side doing his Jurgen, another pint Wullie
That tagline at the end seriously sounds like it's making fun of taglines at the end of talk shows.
FFP started in 2011 before that EPL used to pay outrageous money to build the league same as the saudi league.
You're not understanding the difference, the EPL had much higher revenue so could always afford to pay salaries. Whereas the Saudi league has a tiny revenue, so for nations with no football culture paying high salaries is the same as an athlete taking steroids. Sports should build up organically based on popularity which turns into income. It's a but like offering everyone in the World £10K if they become a christian, then announcing christianity is the worlds most popular religion. Thats might be the facts but in reality it's false.
Look how these media pushing for salah to leave Liverpool. I can’t even see salah leaving next unless Liverpool push them out
someone check Jim's finances, he seems like he's on the Saudi pay roll
But ehat happens when they just ignore the financial fair play rules?
Get a fine?
Funny because people said the same thing about the epl 😂😂
Again another one who doesn't understand the difference. The EPL is like having the best training facilities 40 years ago training 1000's of athletes, so eventually you end up with Olympic gold medalist and record breakers. Another nation (Saudi) see this and also want to develop Olympic Gold medalist, so they are all given the latest technology in anabolic steroids and people predict it won't be long before this new SA athletics camp produce champions. You wouldn't say "let them take steroids so they have Olympic gold medalists, you were complaining when your country kept winning gold medals"
They won’t ever be as big as Europe so I’m not worried. Football was created in Europe and Europe is football heritage. Everyone can see players are just going there for retirement, a holiday or the money. It’s not really appealing other than that.
@makeawish4297umm no pele didn’t come to Europe.
You honestly think if players where getting the type of money they getting in Europe in their homes countries would still choose Europe? Come on.
@makeawish4297Real Madrid, AC Milan and Inter Milan have all been top European teams since before 1970? Football was literally created in the UK, it’s a European sport. The Saudis will never be able to compete with European football.
The Saudis are just using football for sports washing, they done the same with golf, now they’re trying again with football.
We should be talking about the civil rights abuses etc by Saudi Government but no; we talk about football and golf instead.
@@mpgmcl8313 we should talk about the civil right abuses the UK, US and the west done in Iraq.
@@mpgmcl8313I don’t think I need to give you a civics lesson and a political lesson on the atrocities the British and Americans have done over the past 45 years to tell you that your argument is hypocritical. Who are we to play moral police and judge countries’ human rights issues and their right to build leagues, when every country in the world has issues?
I dont see what the problem is with countries trying to improve.
The Saudi Pro league has 3 clubs with 60000+ seating and rest averaging around 30000 (a couple under 10000), those are 2nd division numbers in most countries with established football divisions. You cannot force people to go watch football and the likes of Ronaldo turning up to a pro league club with 7000 seats is embarrassing to play let alone broadcast to the world as the next super league.
Why would the rest of the world agree to Financial Fair Play? Why would FIFA or the AFC agree to enforce FFP outside Europe? The rest of the world has seen Europe pick it clean of their best players for decades and I suspect they're rather enjoying Europe's discomfort. The only thing that might stop the Saudis is if they stop stumping up the money.
they don't have to they can stay in their own Asian champions league and carry on as they are, and stay an irrelevant side show with no narratives, no upsets, no adversity, and no identity. u do u.
The point he wwas making is that they have to adhere to FFP to play in Champions League a European competition. If they don't want to who will they play in international club competition? A team from South Asia they have 100 times the budget of. Also the only top, top players who when have been in their 30s. When leading players in their 20s go that a issue from Europe. But iat moment feels more like a retirement home- like the US league
@@MrBobsmith34well man City got away with it over a decade? The Premier league charges are different but more powerful
@@mymemories925 There are ways of massaging it for sure. But, at least now, you cannot completely ignore it. With FFP the EPL teams have advantage of a massive broadcast deal. Having 55-65000 seater stadiums also helps a bit. If Saudi clubs cannot develop silimar revenue streams I don't see how they complete without blantly breaking FFP, not just cheating at the edges.
Did the saudis announce they want to play in the CL?
The arrogance of the assumption they want to play in the CL Did the saudis tell you that?
.Another competition is likely to take shape.
Just accept they are changing the landscape simply by constantly discussing it.
Have you seen the crowds for most the games....under 10k. Were do you get the fans from.....hire them from other countries?
They will surpass as soon as they get proper media production of their games
Not even close to being true. The entire football infrastructure there is below par.
To be honest though, if all the Asian plastic fans go and support Saudi teams instead of European teams, I will be more than happy with that.
@lv__426 Don't be afraid, the Arab countries just have a larger population than Europe. They will fill the stadiums. Try to stay in your place and watch from afar.
@lv__426 TTry to wake up. The minimum attendance for a second division match in the Saadi League is 10,000 fans. The first division league has an average number of fans of 30-40 thousand fans.
This is the problem of the idiot who takes his information from the media only without broadcasting about the validity of the information
@@ettoetto3067You're the one who needs to do his homework. The only club with an average in that range is Al Ittihad. Al Nassr in second only has 16k average and the average across the whole league is 9,000.
@@ettoetto3067Ah yes because as we all know the Arab nations get along just brilliantly don’t they?
Jim don't understand the point Simon is making.
How many times does Simon have to explain this to Jim? I'm getting the feeling this is scripted.
Of course it is.
Yeah, Jim is trying to be contrarian just to keep the conversation going. I get it if his arguments had any substance but no, after a certain point it was almost like he was waffling for the heck of it..
Same as what the Premiership done when they started.
Yes, but without quite the same level of dominance by religious zealots.
I hope not, Islamic companies and countries have already invested England and sport enough as it is.
@makeawish4297 they should stop wasting money on all sports and countries and focus on their own, yes.
ALLAHU AKHBAR !! ISLAM IS THE BEST RELIGION !!
@@megaman6019 All religions suck.
u would never say that irl@@0898007
they can still spend their money in other areas that doesn't affect fair play.
Pointless Debate. Players going for money. End of.
Jim should have a green tie on for 'Saudi Deadline Day'
Gandhi once said: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
No he didn't. Everybody misquotes people these days. Why? Don't they know they will be fact checked and so easily.
Gandhi also said “ the British are awesome fellows”
The amount of times they've had this conversation over the last month and Jim either just doesn't listen to Simon or he's just playing the part of a double act to repeat the same conversation over and over again.
Same I swear I’ve heard the same conversation and argument like 5 times the past two weeks
is called cultivation theory. Research...
@@issahussein1641 Yeah, I don't think that applies in this particular case.
In a way or another, it surely does or you want mention joseph goebbels
If the footy doesn't take off they can always fall back on the stonings. "Two points, two flats and a packet of gravel."
Such a bland and an offensive line
but true@@zaki9987
stoning is still a legal form of punishment there so they should be ridiculed for it@@zaki9987
Are there any women here?...
There has been 0 stonings in Saudi Arabia in it's existence. They have the lowest crime rate and most security. Don't compare your dirty place with Saudi 😂
English football is about fans club loyalty not players.
This why i watch English football..its the fans passion that drives it
Did these just said Sane went to Saudi Pro League. 5:25
Must've meant Mane.
A league buys up the best and the famous by giving extortionate wages and paying massive amount s to buy them ,taking the pick of the crop ,why were they allowed to do this , english premier league lol
Surely they couldn't play in the champions league as they would instantly fail any FFP regulations
The team that just won the Champions league failed ffp and no one did anything
They can’t play in the Champions League because they’re neither European nor members of UEFA. I’d be amazed if FIFA allowed them to even if they wanted to and UEFA were prepared to let them (neither of which I think is likely).
There Asian 😂😂
@@MrAdmvpno we didn't fail ffp 😂😂😂 go look at city's incoming to the spend 😂😂
@@jalberto428 You literally broke UEFA ffp rules and were excluded from the CL, that only got overturned because the case was time-barred, you weren't exonerated in any way... And since then an investigation has found that you breached premier league financial rules ONE HUNDRED times...
Your "incoming" literally only started changing pattern, once the UEFA/FFP stuff started with City...
Before that, you spent a decade buying/spending whatever you wanted and never selling anyone. Up until Leroy Sane joined bayern in 2020, your club record sale was Shaun Wright Phillips to chelsea in 2005 😂 You just spent billions and stacked up the talent, never selling anyone decent and never balancing your books. Stop being delusional
Jim is a cheerleader for Saudi football. How much are they bunging him?
Talksport are a cheerleader for Saudi football hence the scrolling Sela (NUFC sponsors) sponsorship banner
The more they Talk about the Saudi league (which is all the time now) the bigger it grows obviously...
Stupid money for players we don’t want haha what a stupid comment hahah
One thing is for sure… I was surprised how good the Saudi Pro League actually was. Glad these superstars went to SPL, they are good and fun matches for sure. 💪 becoming more of a fan of soccer/football for sure.
That’s a nice picture, they all look super happy lol.
The whole league? What games did you watch?
@@happyapple4269 I won’t lie, mainly Al Ittihad, Al Hilal, and Al Nassr games, cause those are the teams I know these stars joined, so mainly just their games, but seeing the competition, it is pretty competitive. Not Premiere or Champions league competitive, but competitive none the less….
It’s certainly better than MLS, that is for sure
Saudi money + FFP = Newcastle, so they can create 3 or 4 Newcastles in Saudi Arabia to play Champions League.
Exactly. Forget traditions and building up clubs over decades and decades, just buy all the best players and make one overnight. The joys of oil money
Not really. FFP means that revenue is important. Newcastle earn off EPL TV deal, full stadium every week. Were is the same revenue streams for domestic Saudi teams?
I don't think the Saudis will ever have the culture of English football.
Is.jim white missing the point again here? Simon is explaining that once the Saudi league is governed that will have to follow the same rules as everyone else which includes financial fair play etc.. then why would players go there if the money is the same?
I don’t understand how Simon is ok with Chelsea’s obscene spending but against the Saudis ?
Because it’s very different.. The Saudi government took over 4 clubs THIS YEAR and are doing this to try gain influence around the world.. They’re not doing it for football, they’re doing it for politics.. All these Saudi clubs spending money are owned by the government, 4 clubs, one owner..
What Chelsea are doing is just getting around the rules to try to compete to make the owners money, Chelsea aren’t a nation looking for political influence..
He never said it was okay, just explained how they were able to do it.
This guy Simon is a hypocrite, and so prejudice if you listen to his arguments. Back when the financial power of European clubs were strong, they went around the world and took all the best players and thus made their leagues competitive. His arguments are just filled with bitterness and grudge. If he dont want to watch the league, it's his choice.
@talkSPORT 5:25 I think you mean Mané guys…
Ruben Nevez actually proves the rule regarding players on their way down going there. There are countless videos about Saudi and whenever anyone talks about the type of players going there, the only response Jim has is Ruben Neves. That’s it.
Now, on Neves, who else was in for him? Who did his Saudi club beat for his signature? Nobody.
Mane is 31 and on the way down. Munich used the Saudi league to get rid of a player they didn’t want so they had enough money for Kane.
Damarai Gray of Everton? Who wanted him? Not even Everton at the end.
As Jordan says, until they get young players like Bellingham before they go to Madrid, or get HIM from Madrid while he’s still only 22, there’s barely a story here.
Gabri Vega?
@@greaterthanharrowk1679exception to the rule which there will always be.
Was that video on repeat? Jim says his point and simon answers, then Jim repeats himself and around we go 😂
football is not about the players as much as it is about the clubs, they will never have a Liverpool, man utd, arsenal etc. That's why the Saudi league will be never as big. These English clubs and clubs in Spain and Italy have history and you can't buy history or make history with money alone.
Jesus Christ it's Mane not Sane, did Sane join as well?
Based on this though Simon. Down the road couldn’t the league of Saudi Arabia hyper inflate prize money they give to their teams in their own low agile so that they still technically fall within FFP?
Saudi league will never have the same impact as any of the world leagues. Simply because the home fans are to few and don't have the same passion for their clubs.
how do you know this?
@@wisambarakat5138
😂😂👍
Premier league players don't need the Saudis to create a legacy for their families. The average salary of Man United players last year was $7M+. Across the EPL, average salaries are GBP 240,000 PER MONTH. The median salary for workers in England is GBP33,000 PER YEAR. So, 87+ times median English worker. Simon is absolutely right - this is all about money.
Is Jim white funded by the Saudis, he gets so enthusiastic its actually irritating
Do white and jordan discuss saudi league every show😂 (edited😂)
Simon and Jordan?
only when they are looking in the mirror😉😆
Simon and Jordan. Proper Clobbers.
The Football world is changing. Accept it or not. It is what it is.
Saudi can attract big names with no ambition but players aren't going to become big names there because a lack of competition so all the talent will come to and be made in Europe the saudis would need to start bringing in a lot of talent and make the league way more competitive to ensure that people could become or maintain their status and with local talent that's going to take decades. Can they keep this up for decades, probably but like the chinese I think they'll get bored.
Football is tradition in europe, communities are built around teams in the uk. You can probably watch a football match any day of the week within a thirty minute trip, sure it might be non league but there'll still be a few hundred watching. That's because we started it because of passion, people originally teams didn't want to get paid for playing football they just did it for the love of competition, you just can't buy that in my opinion .
The world of football does not revolve around the English Premier League. The number of football viewers around the world is 5 billion, and the population of Britain is 60 million, and the number is decreasing. Do you think that they will make an impact by not watching the other leagues?
@@ettoetto3067 it does currently and that's because it is where it originated, like it or not.
@@DeanRTaylor Philosophy also originated in Greece and then disappeared whether you like it or not 🤣
@@ettoetto3067 I'm really not sure what your point is, are you comparing saudi arabia signing a few has beens to 3000 years of education and practice?
@@DeanRTaylor My comment about Greece is that it was once the heritage of antiquities and philosophy and the change of times and has become my past as well as the English Premier League will turn into my past
If that day ever comes then the game will be finished
The game was finished when it turned pro in the 1890's. It's quite funny that Sheffield FC (the oldest club in world football) stood by their principles saying that bringing money into this sport would ruin in and it should remain an amateur sport where people play only for the love of the game. Wonder if Sheffield FC ever regret not turning pro.
And is the game of football only for Europeans? You are the only one who deserve the fun of football, don't you?!
How many times does Jordan have to make this point before White gets it. If the Saudis wanna compete with other leagues they have to accept FIFA and financial fair play. Then there attraction goes as they won’t be able to offer crazy money
Money always finds a way, and regulators always change rules , don't get comfortable hearing that notion
FIFA is corrupt. They'll change the rules if the executives get large enough bribes.
Jim white is so irritating. He went to Qatar to ask the questions I'm still waiting for his answers
If they invite them into the Champions League, they will be digging their own graves.
The worry, quite simply is that nothing happens in any gulf state without back-handers. So, keeping them to FFP when they can bribe officials or give huge "commercial deals" to get round it makes it a no go for me.
They've already proven they're not to be trusted in Man City, PSG, and probably Newcastle, before too long if they don't improve fast enough, all fiddling the books.
We all thought China was going take over look how that turned out all this is try to improve their international team much like China tried to but failed
Think how you could change the world for the better with that cash.
I have to acknowledge your wise comment. It's lonely to make that point on these forums.
So we end up with a World Super League not a European Super League!
Not that far-fetched of an idea actually... stay tuned.
genuine question ..... do all the grounds out there have the "Qatari air conditioning" as with the last World Cup ?? ... 🤔
Like there wasn’t enough money in top tier football already. One step closer to a world league IMO.
Honestly think Saudi Pro League will be the number 1 destination in football very soon. Not the most competitive/highest quality league, but the place that most footballers will want to end up at some point for the financial benefits.
I think so too but HOPE NOT
L
No way, well I pray not.
Football fans are generally not the brightest....
@@FreshAlchemy compared to which other sport? as football is the most popular sport in the world with billions of people who watch it of which some of the most important, brightest minds in history also watch it so you're calling most of the population and most intelligent creative bright sparks dumb. Lol.
the behaviour of, and lack of action against, city shows how weak this governance is. There's nothing to suggest Saudi would follow any rules UEFA set whilst simultaneously reaping the rewards
Simon Jordan always has to be right 😂
Imo simon is right in most of what he's said.
They will always have money even if they are goverened by ffp... they will just heighten the saudi broadcast tv rights deal like the premier league do to be able to spend more than the rest. We just dont like it because they have deeper pockets and long term they will be in the champions league with a team of star filled names no doubt.
Legacy matters and you cant manufacture the kinds of history Man Utd, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Barcelona, AC Milan etc all have.
They started somewhere and I think with controlled ambitions and astute investment they can create their history....there is a variable that affects projects and that is time for now this are just hypothesis that needs to be tested and the best scale or variable is time. For now it's money but remember other players from other continents come to Europe for money which their home leagues don't offer and since Saudi Arabia is offering more now you have the fear of the unknown.....
@@ngundofredrick7495 agree the European giants started somewhere but even 100 years ago the level of interest in the UK was far higher than what it in Saudi Arabia today. For example in 1923 both Liverpool and Everton averaged around 33,000 each. The FA cup final in 1923 average 126K. Where as this season in the Saudi League there are only 4 clubs currently averaging over 10K and the league average is currently 9K, which means it's not even as popular (spectator wise) as league 1 (the English 3rd tier). Maybe in 100 years Saudi might develop a worth while football culture, it takes time.
@sheffsteel7 and do you know why? Give supportive points to your arguments for clarity .....there other factors to that .....but because your grandfather is an engineer doesn't mean you can't do better
Jim white gets it, but chooses to not get it to drive the narrative. Talksport is becoming sky news
I don't know what you mean "becoming". TalkSport has always been like this.
It's called broadcasting
Obviously but there wouldn't be much of a discussion if they both agreed on everything. Jim's job is get Simon speaking.
It's devil's advocate vs the King of devil's advocate
@@DilbertWhitehead devil's advocate? You can LOOK but don't TOUCH, you can TOUCH... But don't TASTE
Saudi Arabia has just offered 25 BILLION euro to sponsor the champions league for 5 years on condition that the top 3 Saudi clubs are included in the league, women are banned from stadiums and alcohol and pork pies are forbidden from being sold. UEFA are very interested.
They're very misinformed if they think that Sane has gone to Saudi Arabia. He players for Bayern Munich. Do your research boys.
He meant Mane. The names look and sound similar so got the two confused, slip of the tongue.
Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Simon and Spectre = Top LADS Proper Clobber
The Saudi league is a great way to move on older players or anyone who is surplus to requirements, its an opportunity for clubs to get 30 40 on a player whose maybe been a captain or team stalwart for years but is on the other side of 30 and nobody else is gonna offer you 40 50 million for a 32 year old midfielder absolutely go for it everyone wins. Is it something that's gonna compete with the big top flight leagues in England Germany France Spain Italy? 😂😂😂😂😂 its a way for aging talent to cash in on one last big pay day, id sooner watch football in Belgium Holland or Portugal, at least there you can catch a glimpse of the big bright young stars of the future to keep an eye on. I hope the Saudis get to enjoy watching Hendo and Cristiano and Mane and Mahrez and Benzema and all the past their prime stars but nobody is gonna look at somebody who wins the Saudi pro league like thats a feather in your cap or a trophy you show off with pride, even the ligue1 doordash trophy carries more prestige than winning the Saudi mickey mouse gumball league 😂😂😂😂
Just wait a little and you’ll see who’s my Mickey Mouse don’t rush you sarcastic
Saudi Arabia plan is to host World Cup between 2030 or 2034 and that's it and they'll move on for next sporting thing.
LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber
I think the Saudis plan is all about the world cup Clubs competition
U would think
Jim White is talking like Demarai Gray, a guy who cannot conistently get into one of the worst teams in the EPL, is the new zidane
Firminho & Benzema ( present world player of the year )
went there and yet their team STILL can lose..........Firminho even lose 5-1 to middle team !
@@MeemKhaMeemDhal--khaYaRaWawNun I take that point but they are in their 30s. I take the league more seriously when players in their 20s start going. Also the issue is that there is massive wage disparity. In the EPL almost every player is on 7 figures a year (even in middling teams like West Ham) and overall quality is very high. The Saudi league feels more like the MLS were you have individual (aging) superstars alongside players who on quite modest wages and who would struggle in league 1. The world player of the year before Benzema plays in the MLS (Messi), so what does it mean that the current one plays in Saudi. None of Saudi teams could survive in the championship let alone EPL
Jim White agrees with Simon he’s just making talking points. He’s a good journalism.
White,sounds like, his working as spokesman for the Saudi league,he hypes them up so much
Why is @jim white such a cheer leader for the Saudi league
Who knows one day Simon might be asked by Saudi pro league to head their operation- would he cash in then or sit on the fences??
Good point..think Jim asked him a few weeks ago and he actually admitted if the money was right then he'd work for them. Although he was saying it in a jokingly fashion.
It doesnt bother me personally. We will just see our domestic leagues return to normal. More homegrown players, with foreign players chosing to go to Saudi instead. Our league will become more English again. I remember, as a kid, being absolutely fascinated with the old division one (now the premiership). Full of Brittish players kicking the crap out of eachother. Perhaps i could intentify better with the Brittish lads, than some 19 year old kid from the Ivory Coast, who's name i can't even pronounce, and who barely speaks English.
If the Saudi league turned into a super league, that would be fun to watch, would it not?
A UK Super league would be tops. Bring in the Irish, Scottish and Welsh teams into the pyramid
The Saudi pro league will never ever be as big as the big leagues in Europe !! People used to go to America for a big pay day but their league never ever made the MLS a big league .
American here. The only league this will harm is the MLS. That's because the MLS has long wanted to become a retirement home for aging international stars. But they don't have the money to compete with the Saudi's and as such the MLS will never grow in quality or stature. That's fine by me. Why would anyone want to watch ten or twenty year old teams when the world is filled with clubs that have so much history dating to the 19th century in many cases? Let the MLS remain on par with EFL League One or thereabouts, and let the Saudi League continue to offer these gargantuan retirement packages for the best veterans of world football. In the end, nobody will watch either of these leagues and meanwhile Europe's top five will remain the most relevant and entertaining football in the world.
You're just talking about yourself ☺️
How much would they have to pay people to live in SA? No way. Living in a bubble.
Brazil Serie A is a great league. Mexican Liga MX is a great league. But those players have a dream of going to play in Europe because that is the pinnacle of global football.
Saudi Arabia wants to buy Europe's stars to rent some prestige for its league. In order to be a star you have to have played in the pinnacle of global football. In the Premiere League or La Liga or Bundesliga or Serie A otherwise a player isn't attractive to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia cannot manufacture prestige. It isn't a league that creates stars.
Can we please stop letting bredan Rodgers talk about things 😂
1st if saudi agrees on the financial fair play and they will pay players same money as in europe, players will still go to saudi because it's tax free money so the players will get more. 2nd This is not sport washing as it was introduced back in 2016 when saudi vision 2030 was formulated. Haters gonna hate no matter what.
This won't be sustainable because living in Saudi Arabia is no picnic and the Saudis are eventually going to get tired of paying above market prices for players.
Clubs need to double the asking price if this lot think they can buy out our leagues
Maccabi Haifa is an Israeli club and they compete in the Champions League. They are situated in the Middle East and not in Europe. How is this allowed?
Israel were booted out of AFC in 1974. Turkey, Kazakhstan, Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Georgia are transcontinental countries and they swing to a more European identity. The Kazakhs actually lost out on a place in the 2002 world cup on goal diiference through the Asian qualifiers before moving to UEFA. Still makes no sense as they havent come close since.
Simon should kindly shut it. When Roman came to Chelsea we heard the same noise. 😅
Ridiculous arguments 🙄
Isn’t money the only thing that makes English clubs attractive. No one is choosing Manchester over Valencia for lifestyle ffs
John Terry is really tall and Pretty isn't he Simon Saudi's going to pay him 10 million quid a week to stand there and look pretty on the side of a football pitch