Ive contemplated this combination for my Dewalt 7491. To combat flex in the fence extrusions I took it apart and milled some wood to fill the cavity and added a few threaded inserts for additional jigs, etc.
This is a great video and neatly brings together two useful upgrades for the DeWalt table saw. It really delivers a major upgrade. Good job and brilliant idea. I did have one suggestion however. If you were to turn upside down the wooden support for the Jessem guide rail then you could make it thinner because you would make the wooden support flush with the top of the bow clamps. That would lower the Jessem guide rail and give you an extra 5 or 6 mm of travel for the Jessem rollers, which as you point out needs to be on the longest setting already. the only problem is that your bow clamps need to stay as part of the wooden support.
That's a great idea to make things compatible and way safer for us small saw builders. Where we need something to help with safety and efficiency on the job site. Cheers...
Found this video while trying to figure out how to do something similar with another jobsite saw (saw stop). Bonus points for the workout gear sharing the space with your woodworking craft -- I know all too well how difficult space is to come by for all the hobbies ;)
It's a good question. Personally i think they are. One of key differences is it continues to provide inward direction after the cut has gone past the blade. The Bow system can't do that as you can't have a feather board giving side pressure after blade as it will pinch it.
The Hongdui stock guides from Banggood have longer wheel arms (about 1" longer) which should allow the guides to fully contact the table saw surface. They are $170 per pair versus $309 for Jessem guides and appear to be just as well made.
Hi. For me unfortunately I don't yet have space for a dedicated cabinet saw. And i also remove this saw for doing site work. One day I will have more space, but I would still use the Jessem guides as they are more intended for a big cabinet saw anyway
Hi Friend Brilliant integration of two different systems. Question: What do you like about the rollers vs the vertical featherboards? Are they that much smoother when passing stock or stronger against kickback? How much travel of the rollers away from the fence were you able to gain? I began looking at both brands, and you're the first I see putting them side by side..better yet, getting them to work together. Hats off!
Thanks for the feedback! The key part on the rollers is that they are angled inwards towards the fence. This keeps your material tight to the fence. You can really see it working if you feed material in say 2-3mm off fence and it pretty much automatically draws it back in to fence immediately. It also makes kickback pretty much impossible. I have the smaller ones on my router fence as well and are brilliant. I would 100% recommend getting the Bow Fence first. I think if you are planning on using saw more regularly and for more finer cabinet work then I would definitely invest in the Jessem guides. Both items should really last a lifetime, especially as you can replace the roller O rings on the guides. WIth this system I'm now using this setup to rip down much bigger sheets which I may have previously turned to tracksaw to do. And it makes things a lot quicker versus setting up guide rail and clamping, etc. Just to make sure I answer your question, what exactly did you mean on travel of rollers away from fence?
@@Sunday_Builds Thanks, Bud, for your reply. That's good enough reason for me. A horizontal featherboard is not usable for wider material, and that just brings hands closer again to that blade. The guide system that stays on track despite the variables is what we're all after. The cost of this set up is as much as my portable Bosch. But this affords the stability of a bigger saw that you can't carry, and much enhanced safety by addressing the primary risks. Mods are never cheap. Emergency and after are always the most expensive. Travel of the roller from fence, I meant how much extension do you get with the shafts (moved away from the base n fence). I tried finding that spec from Jessem's site, but those folks are much better at manufacturing than documentation. ;) Thanks again! For your great ingenuity to a safety solution and for being a good sport in sharing the details. Many thumbs up to you! And the rest of the fingers wiggling Hi from where they belong. :)
@@Sunday_Builds Hi Friend. Thanks for that measurement. I went ahead eagerly and gathered all the components, and skipped the feather boards all together. In the US, Bow sells each separately on Amzn. That's also the best place for Jessem w/o their shipping delays. Just tracking those rollers by hand, I see what you mean, how they'd guide into the fence. And this design of rollers that travel to n from the fence and rest out of the way is so much better than the simpler Jessem rollers that are fixed to the fence. That's what I was imagining until I saw your build. Yeah, the 46" Bow is the way to go, even for my smaller Bosch 18v which is not as deep as your Dewalt. A foot of overhang at each end is just right for these supports, especially since they're moveable on the track. Enable your by-me-coffee feature, will you, so we can get you a pint or few. ;) Well deserved!
Thank you so much for making this video! I've been looking to purchase both of these items for my Dewalt table saw, and it's so helpful to see how you use them. Do you happen to know if the Jessem router table stock guides would work on the Bow fence? Thanks again :)
The router table stock guides would be too short for this set up as they're not adjustable like the table saw stock guides. I guess if you're only planning to run thicker stock, you could use them.
Well shoot.. I have my JEssum arriving soon, and have the same Bow fence (shorter one) for my SawStop saw which has that same rack/pinion fence system as the dewalt. I thought that the Jessum unites would fit in the slots on the top of the BOW fence. Looks like they use bigger tnut slots?
1) Thank you. I was curious about this combo. 2) Did you consider the JessEm Clear-Cut stock guides? They might have attached directly to the t-slot on the front of the Bow Fence.
Hi. I do also have those for my router table. But they aren't really suitable for doing bigger work on table saw. If you are doing smaller items and fence is close to saw then it should be ok though!
That is true! But I'd maybe see it a little different. People pay thousands for a bigger more stationary table saw. With these 2 items you get a lot closer to the capability and safety that these saws have without permanently taking up this footprint. I would definitely start with the bow fence as the built in t-tracks give so many different possibilities and other custom fences you can add. Given it's largely just a aluminium extrustion there's also no reason why this shouldn't last a life time!
Nice demonstration but ridiculously priced products. Premium woodworking products from toolbags to these fences must be the most profitable tools to sell, I think the manufacturers believe (rightly so) that some woodworkers will pay x100% markup for a x1% improvement in performance. I'm a carpentry contractor and I was a tool whore in my younger days but I wised up. Today I was in the market for a 250mm jobsite table saw, the dewalt offering is £800, I bought an excel branded one for £169. They appear largely to have the same features, although I know the blade in the Excel will be rubbish but at that money who cares.
Absolutely inspiring to watch while you figure out a very elegant solution to a problem. Well done Sir!
Thank you very much!
Nice job explaining the set up! good video.
Thanks!
Ive contemplated this combination for my Dewalt 7491. To combat flex in the fence extrusions I took it apart and milled some wood to fill the cavity and added a few threaded inserts for additional jigs, etc.
That's a great idea. Was it easy to do?
@@Sunday_Builds It was. The hardest part was getting the right fit.
This is a great video and neatly brings together two useful upgrades for the DeWalt table saw. It really delivers a major upgrade. Good job and brilliant idea. I did have one suggestion however. If you were to turn upside down the wooden support for the Jessem guide rail then you could make it thinner because you would make the wooden support flush with the top of the bow clamps. That would lower the Jessem guide rail and give you an extra 5 or 6 mm of travel for the Jessem rollers, which as you point out needs to be on the longest setting already. the only problem is that your bow clamps need to stay as part of the wooden support.
I'll consider that for the next version! Thanks
That's a great idea to make things compatible and way safer for us small saw builders. Where we need something to help with safety and efficiency on the job site. Cheers...
Thanks!
Was wondering if this combination was possible. Thank you so much for the video
The more I use it the more awesome I find it, especially as being cutting larger sheet material recently
Found this video while trying to figure out how to do something similar with another jobsite saw (saw stop). Bonus points for the workout gear sharing the space with your woodworking craft -- I know all too well how difficult space is to come by for all the hobbies ;)
Haha yes, quite challenging at times!
you are the Rock start of table saw guides thank you for the video just bought the dewalt table saw
Thanks!
Great set up Pal.
Cheers!
Do you think the Jessem guides are with the extra cost and clamping hassle vs the Bow fence and their feather boards that give downward pressure?
It's a good question. Personally i think they are. One of key differences is it continues to provide inward direction after the cut has gone past the blade. The Bow system can't do that as you can't have a feather board giving side pressure after blade as it will pinch it.
This is on my wish list.
The Hongdui stock guides from Banggood have longer wheel arms (about 1" longer) which should allow the guides to fully contact the table saw surface. They are $170 per pair versus $309 for Jessem guides and appear to be just as well made.
That's good to know! I did consider them as have a couple of other Hongdui items
@@Sunday_Builds I have the Hongdui miter gauge and fence. That thing is NICE!
Great products. But I wonder if paying for all of them is not already the cost of a decent cabinet saw.
Hi. For me unfortunately I don't yet have space for a dedicated cabinet saw. And i also remove this saw for doing site work. One day I will have more space, but I would still use the Jessem guides as they are more intended for a big cabinet saw anyway
Hi Friend
Brilliant integration of two different systems.
Question: What do you like about the rollers vs the vertical featherboards?
Are they that much smoother when passing stock or stronger against kickback?
How much travel of the rollers away from the fence were you able to gain?
I began looking at both brands, and you're the first I see putting them side by side..better yet, getting them to work together. Hats off!
Thanks for the feedback!
The key part on the rollers is that they are angled inwards towards the fence. This keeps your material tight to the fence. You can really see it working if you feed material in say 2-3mm off fence and it pretty much automatically draws it back in to fence immediately. It also makes kickback pretty much impossible. I have the smaller ones on my router fence as well and are brilliant.
I would 100% recommend getting the Bow Fence first. I think if you are planning on using saw more regularly and for more finer cabinet work then I would definitely invest in the Jessem guides. Both items should really last a lifetime, especially as you can replace the roller O rings on the guides.
WIth this system I'm now using this setup to rip down much bigger sheets which I may have previously turned to tracksaw to do. And it makes things a lot quicker versus setting up guide rail and clamping, etc.
Just to make sure I answer your question, what exactly did you mean on travel of rollers away from fence?
@@Sunday_Builds Thanks, Bud, for your reply.
That's good enough reason for me. A horizontal featherboard is not usable for wider material, and that just brings hands closer again to that blade. The guide system that stays on track despite the variables is what we're all after.
The cost of this set up is as much as my portable Bosch. But this affords the stability of a bigger saw that you can't carry, and much enhanced safety by addressing the primary risks. Mods are never cheap. Emergency and after are always the most expensive.
Travel of the roller from fence, I meant how much extension do you get with the shafts (moved away from the base n fence). I tried finding that spec from Jessem's site, but those folks are much better at manufacturing than documentation. ;)
Thanks again! For your great ingenuity to a safety solution and for being a good sport in sharing the details. Many thumbs up to you! And the rest of the fingers wiggling Hi from where they belong. :)
@@lakeinocean7869 Sorry for delay and thanks for kinds words! With my setup it gives me about 60-65mm extension inwards from fence.
@@Sunday_Builds Hi Friend. Thanks for that measurement.
I went ahead eagerly and gathered all the components, and skipped the feather boards all together.
In the US, Bow sells each separately on Amzn. That's also the best place for Jessem w/o their shipping delays.
Just tracking those rollers by hand, I see what you mean, how they'd guide into the fence.
And this design of rollers that travel to n from the fence and rest out of the way is so much better than the simpler Jessem rollers that are fixed to the fence. That's what I was imagining until I saw your build.
Yeah, the 46" Bow is the way to go, even for my smaller Bosch 18v which is not as deep as your Dewalt.
A foot of overhang at each end is just right for these supports, especially since they're moveable on the track.
Enable your by-me-coffee feature, will you, so we can get you a pint or few. ;) Well deserved!
Great video !!!! thank you
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you so much for making this video! I've been looking to purchase both of these items for my Dewalt table saw, and it's so helpful to see how you use them. Do you happen to know if the Jessem router table stock guides would work on the Bow fence? Thanks again :)
The router table stock guides would be too short for this set up as they're not adjustable like the table saw stock guides. I guess if you're only planning to run thicker stock, you could use them.
Yep you are right, they are too short.
Thanks for feedback! And as @johngaleano1291 points out sadly they are too short
Well shoot.. I have my JEssum arriving soon, and have the same Bow fence (shorter one) for my SawStop saw which has that same rack/pinion fence system as the dewalt. I thought that the Jessum unites would fit in the slots on the top of the BOW fence. Looks like they use bigger tnut slots?
Yes sadly much bigger
Leave the bolts on the timber. Slide it as a set onto your rail.
Yep I've since done that!
1) Thank you. I was curious about this combo. 2) Did you consider the JessEm Clear-Cut stock guides? They might have attached directly to the t-slot on the front of the Bow Fence.
Hi. I do also have those for my router table. But they aren't really suitable for doing bigger work on table saw. If you are doing smaller items and fence is close to saw then it should be ok though!
Question: What table saw blade are you using?
I'm using the CMT range of blades currently in my various saws. Good value for money.
@@Sunday_Builds Thanks much for the info.
Very impressive solution. I love it but just found out this setup costs more than the table saw itself. I wonder if it's worth it 🤔🤔 Great channel!
That is true! But I'd maybe see it a little different. People pay thousands for a bigger more stationary table saw. With these 2 items you get a lot closer to the capability and safety that these saws have without permanently taking up this footprint. I would definitely start with the bow fence as the built in t-tracks give so many different possibilities and other custom fences you can add. Given it's largely just a aluminium extrustion there's also no reason why this shouldn't last a life time!
@@Sunday_Builds I agree!
Nice demonstration but ridiculously priced products.
Premium woodworking products from toolbags to these fences must be the most profitable tools to sell, I think the manufacturers believe (rightly so) that some woodworkers will pay x100% markup for a x1% improvement in performance.
I'm a carpentry contractor and I was a tool whore in my younger days but I wised up.
Today I was in the market for a 250mm jobsite table saw, the dewalt offering is £800, I bought an excel branded one for £169.
They appear largely to have the same features, although I know the blade in the Excel will be rubbish but at that money who cares.
Glad you enjoyed the demo. Fair enough on tool choice. It all comes down to personal preference and what works for you.
Just to add the dewalt table saw in this video is £430