I remember trying to do a sorcery run once. I got the demon's catalyst and just for fun tried a melee attack. It wasn't a sorcery run anymore after that
@@desklamp8591 sorcery is literally so easy mode it's pvp meta, it does massive damage can be setup before a fight and does massive poise damage to stagger everything that can be staggered
Actually that is false, Gwyn has fairly high resistances overall including to fire, 249, for comparison seath, sif, nito, smough, firesage (firesage is not weak to fire, that's a myth, it's actually its highest resistance), four kings and gaping dragon all have smaller resistances to fire. In fact aside from DLC bosses and the members of izalith's family who are immune to fire, Gwyn has one of the highest resistance to fire in all the game. I've not looked for every boss but the only ones I found with a higher resistance than him are ornstein (both phases) and iron golem.
@@Luca-ds3zl Yes for the lord of sunlight and calling something a weakness when it's one of the highest resistances of this type in the game doesn't really make much sense, does it ? It's like saying demon prince is weak to dark when his resistance is above 60%. He is weakest to, but not weak to. The actual weakness of gwyn is occult damage, just like ornstein and gwyndolin.
@@Stars-Sapphire Thing is that it's a really flexible term, it is often use to describe something that one is actually weak to, especially in the souls series, "actually weak to" in the sense of there being a significant difference or outright bonus to damage between whatever thing you're using to damage the enemy and any other thing (like for example occult against gwyn, divine against skeletons, lightning against NK's drake, etc). Like, maybe my qualm with the term will be explained if I put it that way : "being weak to" is often used to mean "particularly weak to", either in comparison to most other mobs/bosses, or in comparison to the other defenses, and Gwyn is not "particularly weak to" fire in that sense. That sense is the one I see most often, or at least very often, hence why I object. I don't object to it being the thing Gwyn is weakest to though, and by the way considering that he is considerably weaker to both fire and magic than lightning or any physical damage, I wouldn't have any issue saying that he is weak to those both. Does that seem fair to you ? (fair as in "understandable that I'd respond that way", sorta, not sure how to phrase it better >
@@Stars-Sapphire My logic is that you're not weak to something when you have high resistance to something, you're merely weaker to it. Like in the case of demon prince. Also, "by my logic" all three DS end game bosses are weak to something, gwyn to occult (or to both fire and magic), nashandra to lightning and holy water urns, and SoC to lightning. And if we're talking about end game bosses in general in the series, then it's the same, either there is no element or weaponry they are particularly weak to, and therefore aren't weak to anything even if they happen to be weakest or weaker to X, or as in the case of the souls series they are weaker to lightning, divine, anti abyss weapons, etc.
@@nathanjora7627 just stop. Why are you wasting time arguing semantics? When someone says "weak to" they mean the best way to kill something. That's it. Why does it matter if it's said in the exact way you want?
7:21 Iron Golem falling animation has nothing to do with poise damage, I talked with an Dark Souls mechanic breaker and Cut Content researcher and he said the 1st leg you hit has 400HP, and the 2nd one has 200HP, poise damage only affects Queelag's Spider Butt, making it explode when you break it edit: he posted this on Twitter as well!
There's another thing related to poise damage and bosses: Priscilla only turns visible once you stagger her and that it a funtion of poise damage, not damage damage. Can best be seen by using Throwing Knives to stagger her.
I am both shocked and disgusted by the amount of pure damage. Thank you truly for showing me that I've been playing Sorcery builds wrong this entire time man, great job!
@@Zzzzzzxx165 yea but all the “sunlight” stuff does lightning stuff. Just look at sunlight spear, literally just a sunset colored lightning bolt. In Dark Souls, the sun is attributed to lightning, (they are both plasma anyway, makes sense-ish) and the moon to magic. So there’s not really a problem calling him the lightning lord instead of sunlight lord, as they’re essentially the same thing in-game.
Gwyn is the lord of SUNLIGHT, not fire. His highest resistance is, naturally, to lightning. Lord of Cinder is most likely an ironic title. The kiln is slowly burning away at his body, so adding fire will just make him burn faster. Makes perfect sense.
Gwyn also counts as Hollow as well doesn't he? If I remember correctly Hollow's take more damage from fire so that would make more sense as to why he's weak against it.
@@AriaFromMahabre Oh. I never made that connection, i always assumed they did some kind of holy damage. Makes sense now, how it doesn't do much damage to Ornstein.
Huh. So apparently catalyst fighting was viable the entire time, so long as you had the right catalyst and a bunch of Dex. Even after all these years, Dark Souls still manages to surprise us. Way to go, Miyazaki. Presumably, you're intended to use these damaging catalysts as a supplement for your spells (which are a finite resource at any given bonfire). Would have been nice if they'd given a decent damage catalyst a little earlier, when you could most use the savings.
In DSR, the alternative twink weapons to the Gravelord Sword was the Tin Banishment Catalyst, or the Demon's Catalyst (any weapon with bleed trivializes Demon Firesage). Because stick fighting is apparently quite strong yet no one appreciated until weapon matchmaking.
Rather than early what I would've preferred was that the moveset wasn't as garbage. Like... Don't give poke to what's obviously an axe (demon) or a mace (crystal), and don't give a special garbage poke rather than a standard spear poke to a spear.
As someone whos done catalyst runs of all the souls games, they are super viable and even in pvp if you play your two whole cards as best you can. Also love your profile pic, dat from Devil's candy comic?
The Sanctum Shield (a Shield and a spell catalyst capable of sorceries, miracles, and hexes) from Dark Souls 2 does what can be generously called fuck tons of damage
"I kinda wish I was playing dark souls 2" next challenge perhaprs? Spell tools only DS2? DS2 had some wierd things that could cast spells, so it'd probably be a lot of variety if nothing else lol
I'd be all for it, but you can hardly call it a challenge, in my experience a lot of casting tools, even the non-weapon ones are lethal, and that's not even including the weapons like the spontoon or the flame... and then there's the sanctum shield, what a lovely weapon
This run has made my dark souls more fun. Never thought of actually hitting something with my staffs. But this has opened my eyes. Spells gone. No problem. Bonk! Bonk till it does.
Dammit Lemon, I was gonna quote one of your one liners here but there’s too many good ones to decide. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GOOD ONE LINERS. God I was way too happy to see the Discord notification for this when I woke up. Another fantastic video in the books 😁
Actually used Tin Banishment Catalyst a bit on a super cheesy low SL build back in the day. It's not a great weapon, but for the stat investment it's got kinda nutty raw damage.
Gwyn had been burning for ages, and his element was technically electricity, so there's some logic there, though it's not the most intuitive weakness for a boss.
Neither are weak to fire, they both have amongts the highest resistances to fire, firesage's fire resistance is actually his highest elemental resistance. Gwyn's fire resistance is still higher though, which is quite funny ^^
Part of the definition of cinder is that it is literally something still flammable. Gwyn's weakness to fire wasn't an oversight it was an intentional weakness.
@@dorkmoonblade4315 Gwyn is literally not weak to fire, he has superior fire resistance compared to most bosses. Also I could just as easily argue that you have the logic backward, since the definition of cinder is that it's partly burnt, meaning it has less combustible matter than it used to, which means that if I wanted to I could say it makes sense that the fire resistance is so high since it's filled with non combustible material.
For me it does make sense that Gwyn is weak to fire because the dragons breath fire while gwyn has lighting, so they have a perfect counter to each other.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate that chat isn't visible in your videos. I know some can ignore it, but it moves and has pictures, and I have ADHD. I feel very seen
"I resorted to manually aiming my swings, instead of locking on" THANK GOD! I was gonna say, like 90% of the whiffs in this video could have been avoided. But of course it hardly mattered because these spell tools were OP against more than 90% of the things you fought.
@@TheBacklogs I mean, it deals fire damage, which the lord of fire is weak to (obviously). Should be pretty easy cause that's the only boss that matters, right?
aaaaaaaaaand you beat me to it! yes, the banishment catalyst is insanely strong, which is why i considered doing the run. i'm curious to see if the physical damage scales more with dex or int, but i picked it up recently for fashion purposes and it did more damage than most of my weapons at this point in the game.
“Ah yeah, look at those numbers! Look at this OH NO! Oh no that’s… that’s bad, that’s really bad.” -Everyone the first time they tried to use a weapon they didn’t meet the strength stats for, probably. 15:38
I'd like to see you do this challenge in the other souls games, though I'm not sure you could use true weapon catalysts like Blue Flame or Heysel Pick for this. That would just leave the Murky Longstaff in DS3 as that game's only proper bonk stick; good luck beating Freide in that run! O_O
@@TheBacklogs Fun Fact: In DS2 the catalysts are VERY good for bonking damage. Due to how the game doesn't use spell adjust, but instead just gives catalysts a damage AR for each element to pull from for calculations. And it uses that same AR for the bonk damage, so you end up with catalysts with an AR in like the 600s. Sure it is split damage, but it is still CRAZY strong, especially considering the physical part of the damage is blunt which the majority of DS2's enemies are weak too. Even the spell casting shields do ridiculous damage when used in the main hand for bonking. It's certainly a...unique experience, but one I think you'll enjoy.
@@TheValiantBob Ditto on the casting shields! I used the dark one you get in the first dlc to make a Shield Knight cosplay (from Shovel Knight) long ago, and it was stupidly strong and versatile. DS2 might be the least polished of Fromsoft's recent games, but it is second to none for making crazy off-meta builds.
Blue Flame would feel like cheating since it's a sword. He could go with Chime Shield (I think that's the earliest one you can get if it's still in the same place in SoTFS.) Then go pick from either Sanctum Shield or Black Witch Staff both of which has insane bonk damage because of scaling from Magic/Dark/Lightning.
Actually, the iron golem's stagger isn't caused by poise damage--it's just based on regular damage. So the catalyst can still do it even if it doesn't deal any poise damage.
Can we all agree that this is Lemons funniest video? Between the characters inner screaming before the run starts. "Oh uh no thank you" followed by the Crag spider falling. "Being naked is pretty uncouth, but so is murder" "wElL wHaT iS iT?" After Capra. *COMMUNITY SUGGESTIONS* Lemon laughing at the golem falling. "I'd miss the Leo ring" *Ornstein running* "oh look he knows" "Oh hey God didn't know you were watching the stream" I watch this anytime I need a laugh.
You should try this in Dark Souls 2! There is a sword called the Blue Flame that is a spell catalyst, and a shield called the Chime Shield, which is a miracle talisman! But getting there would be the fun part!
found your channel today and binged nearly every challenge run already, how is it possible that you have so few subs? with your production quality i would guessed you were at 250k or more.
Was just going to say this. A simple look at the wiki or taking any character to see what a max flame vs base flame damage confirms this. Its not much of a boost but its something.
Your continuous disbelief at how overpowered it is early on had me rolling. That is as my exact reaction on my first ever character; didn’t know where I was supposed to be, wandered down to blight town and felt helpless. Found that thing, and have never been quite as glad since to be a sorcerer
7:22 staggering the golem actually isn't based on poise damage, but on actual damage. 400 to his leg to stagger him, another 400 to make him fall if he's staggered
I remember finding the banishment catalyst on my sorcery build and being surprised that it did actual damage, i even used it as my main weapon for a while
10:26 wha-, with Astora straight sword +5 i dealt just 127 of damage (with 30 strength, 30 dex and 30 faith) Maybe i should change my character main weapon...
i know you haven't used it but i remember useing tumblebuffing to do something similar in ng+. Casting crystal magic weapon with a tin crystalization catalyst on the exact same catalyst and then pokeing enemys for 500 dmg despite the stupid looking animation was hilariouse.
I just immediately fell in love with your channel after I heard you use music from bugdom. The game was such a big part of my childhood and had such an iconic score. Glad to see other people who appreciate it too
14:30 Din't even get the quote right. "Ah Kos... or some say Kosm. Do you hear our prayers?" "As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains to cleanse our beastly idiocy."
Ymfah: makes a 1 int mage Lemon: hm ok yeah but what if no? Srsly though, these channels feel like brothers and it warms my dark souls and sanctuary heart
I remember getting the Tin Banishment Catalist in an early playthrough and dying to the booby trapped super slippery log you have to walk down to get back. I didn't know about the ladder out of that area at the time. And it turned out the thing is really only good for poking stuff. The base sorceror staff is better for almost all applications.
I remember in my first time playing this game I actually ran with the tin catalyst for a fair bit since it looked cool and was on par or better than my weapons (I didn't really get how upgrades and stuff worked haha.) Was cool to see it come up on a channel I like
that was an absurd amount of damage. like so many of these runs have crap damage with intended weapon usages but some guy at FS was just a big fan of pointy dumb sticks
damn, im interested to see Lemon go for a run of dark souls or S&S using everything he's learned to see just how powerful he could become. the "3 hits or less" challenge, if you will
For reference since plenty of people seem to get it wrong, and that for at least some of those it's probably not just a joke : Gwyn is not weak to fire, Gwyn has fairly high resistances overall including to fire, 249, for comparison seath, sif, nito, smough, firesage (firesage is not weak to fire, that's a myth, it's actually its highest resistance), four kings and gaping dragon all have smaller resistances to fire. In fact aside from DLC bosses and the members of izalith's family who are immune to fire, Gwyn has one of the highest resistance to fire in all the game. I've not looked for every boss but the only ones I found with a higher resistance than him are ornstein (both phases) and iron golem. What is true however is that he is least resistant to fire... By about 20 points, 267. Considering how defense work in DS that's not insignificant but it's also not a huge difference.
its funny for me to see this video randomly pop up, since this was the first challenge run i ever did. I had just finished the game as a mage, and noticed the weird pokey sticks. Then I thought, welp why not? I did not even know the nightmare that was playing melee after playing a mage, especially with a weaker spear, but hey, it's a fun run. Congrats on the win.
seeing that tin banishment catalyst makes a pretty ok weapon is gratifying to me, as i always thought it looked cool. the chosen undead holds it weird tho
When I watch dark souls challenge videos like "whips only" I comment silly things like "only whips but he uses shield/armor" But this dude is on a whole other level
I can proudly say I voted to not kill Solaire... even tho he gets a very unfortunate fate.... *say what you want, I'm not capable of killing mah boi he helped me too much :(*
You can save him from his fate by ranking up in the chaos covenant and opening the side door and murdering the sunlight maggot before you enter lost izalith the normal route. Instead of having it on his head when you progress through the area normally, he'll be sitting there same as always and chat - and even be summonable for the Gwyn boss fight later.
Looks like you made a build the character from Maschle would come up with and i LOVE it XD Hope theres at least one person here who gets that reference XD.
"i cast stick!" oh, that reminds me of a gag in a silly story: some people were playing D&D. ALL of them were Barbarians. one declared himself a wizard (but didn't really learn any magic), sneaked up on an enemy, and the player said, "i cast sleep." the DM said, "you wave an ordinary stick at him and yell, "SLEEP!" but nothing happens ,except him staring at you in shock. you have one more chance to do something before he sounds an alarm. what do you do?" *I HIT HIM WITH THE STICK* ! that's part of a popular story, "the all-barbarian party".
In my opinion, Manus will always be one of the greatest video game bosses of all time. I have spent so many hours learning his combos, little secrets of where to sneak in a quick hit if your weapon is fast enough, the rhythm needed to dodge his delayed attacks while still being ready for the ones that come out super fast, stuff like that. I spent hours throwing myself at his fog wall both on my first playthrough and my SL1 run and I enjoyed every minute of it.
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To be fair, Gwyn is the lord of light he just happens to be on fire and canonically it hurts to be on fire, so more fire would hurt more
Hahaha alright, "Canonically it hurts to be on fire" got me good.
Immolation spell users be like
@@ToweringPepsiMan Lord of Sunlight, not lightning.
@@Raoul. Lord of Capri Sun, not Sunlight.
@@kchigley5309 Lord of Sunny D, not Capri Sun.
"Can I beat the Dark Souls 1 with a rapier +6 but slower?"
Seriously what the fuck I didnt expect THOSE numbers
I remember trying to do a sorcery run once. I got the demon's catalyst and just for fun tried a melee attack. It wasn't a sorcery run anymore after that
i just finished my ds sorcery run and let me tell you i agree sorcery is not that great so i used an +5 enchanted uchi with my sorcery
@@desklamp8591 what were you using? sorcery is amazing for damage numbers
@@desklamp8591 well just use logans staff and Crystal spear. Its broken
@@desklamp8591 on ng+7 I one shot Gwynn with, sorceries you good?
@@desklamp8591 sorcery is literally so easy mode it's pvp meta, it does massive damage can be setup before a fight and does massive poise damage to stagger everything that can be staggered
i mean, the Age of Fire only still *exists* because Gwyn is good at being set on fire. It's not that weird.
Huh. Never thought about that. Good point.
That beard works like a survival candle
demon firesage be like: what are you talking about
The Lord of "Cinders", ever burning away.
Gwyn is considered Hollowed in his fight and all Hollows in the game have a weakness to fire, that's why he takes so much damage from fire attacks
Actually that is false, Gwyn has fairly high resistances overall including to fire, 249, for comparison seath, sif, nito, smough, firesage (firesage is not weak to fire, that's a myth, it's actually its highest resistance), four kings and gaping dragon all have smaller resistances to fire.
In fact aside from DLC bosses and the members of izalith's family who are immune to fire, Gwyn has one of the highest resistance to fire in all the game.
I've not looked for every boss but the only ones I found with a higher resistance than him are ornstein (both phases) and iron golem.
@@Luca-ds3zl Yes for the lord of sunlight and calling something a weakness when it's one of the highest resistances of this type in the game doesn't really make much sense, does it ? It's like saying demon prince is weak to dark when his resistance is above 60%.
He is weakest to, but not weak to.
The actual weakness of gwyn is occult damage, just like ornstein and gwyndolin.
@@Stars-Sapphire Thing is that it's a really flexible term, it is often use to describe something that one is actually weak to, especially in the souls series, "actually weak to" in the sense of there being a significant difference or outright bonus to damage between whatever thing you're using to damage the enemy and any other thing (like for example occult against gwyn, divine against skeletons, lightning against NK's drake, etc).
Like, maybe my qualm with the term will be explained if I put it that way :
"being weak to" is often used to mean "particularly weak to", either in comparison to most other mobs/bosses, or in comparison to the other defenses, and Gwyn is not "particularly weak to" fire in that sense.
That sense is the one I see most often, or at least very often, hence why I object.
I don't object to it being the thing Gwyn is weakest to though, and by the way considering that he is considerably weaker to both fire and magic than lightning or any physical damage, I wouldn't have any issue saying that he is weak to those both.
Does that seem fair to you ? (fair as in "understandable that I'd respond that way", sorta, not sure how to phrase it better >
@@Stars-Sapphire My logic is that you're not weak to something when you have high resistance to something, you're merely weaker to it.
Like in the case of demon prince.
Also, "by my logic" all three DS end game bosses are weak to something, gwyn to occult (or to both fire and magic), nashandra to lightning and holy water urns, and SoC to lightning.
And if we're talking about end game bosses in general in the series, then it's the same, either there is no element or weaponry they are particularly weak to, and therefore aren't weak to anything even if they happen to be weakest or weaker to X, or as in the case of the souls series they are weaker to lightning, divine, anti abyss weapons, etc.
@@nathanjora7627 just stop. Why are you wasting time arguing semantics?
When someone says "weak to" they mean the best way to kill something. That's it. Why does it matter if it's said in the exact way you want?
7:21 Iron Golem falling animation has nothing to do with poise damage, I talked with an Dark Souls mechanic breaker and Cut Content researcher and he said the 1st leg you hit has 400HP, and the 2nd one has 200HP, poise damage only affects Queelag's Spider Butt, making it explode when you break it
edit: he posted this on Twitter as well!
This. This is the information I need.
wait wait wait what do you mean you can pop Quelaag's spider part?? what!?!?
@@np_animation6319 Yeah WHAT?
There's another thing related to poise damage and bosses: Priscilla only turns visible once you stagger her and that it a funtion of poise damage, not damage damage. Can best be seen by using Throwing Knives to stagger her.
@@np_animation6319 you can pop it, you Attack it until it does an Explosion. It wont disappear.
Before this run, I didn't know different spell tools actually have different attacks!
Just figured they all used the same general club like hit xD
I am both shocked and disgusted by the amount of pure damage. Thank you truly for showing me that I've been playing Sorcery builds wrong this entire time man, great job!
Sorceries put the game in Easy mod, apart from blightown maybe that parte Is Always boring, you can also skip It
Gwyn isn't the lord of fire, he's the lord of lightning. And, appropriately, he is nearly immune to lightning damage.
He's the Lord of sunlight my dudr
@@Zzzzzzxx165 Sunlight is connected much more to lightning than fire in Dark Souls because uh... Well, the lightning's yellow, for one?
@@Estra_Estra yeah expect his spear isn't called lighting it's literally called sunlight spear and the soul he got from the light was the light soul
@@Estra_Estra *soul he got from the first flame
@@Zzzzzzxx165 yea but all the “sunlight” stuff does lightning stuff. Just look at sunlight spear, literally just a sunset colored lightning bolt.
In Dark Souls, the sun is attributed to lightning, (they are both plasma anyway, makes sense-ish) and the moon to magic.
So there’s not really a problem calling him the lightning lord instead of sunlight lord, as they’re essentially the same thing in-game.
For reference, Gwyn is weak to fire because its burning him out faster than he already has been by kindling the first flame.
Only challenge run I've ever seen where someone is constantly overcoming the power curve. You're a legend!
Gwyn is the lord of SUNLIGHT, not fire. His highest resistance is, naturally, to lightning.
Lord of Cinder is most likely an ironic title. The kiln is slowly burning away at his body, so adding fire will just make him burn faster. Makes perfect sense.
Gwyn also counts as Hollow as well doesn't he? If I remember correctly Hollow's take more damage from fire so that would make more sense as to why he's weak against it.
Sunlight ain't lightning boi
@@Karan-Aujla In the dark souls universe, it is ahah. See his "Sunlight spear" that does lightning damage. Yeah it's stupid
@@AriaFromMahabre Oh. I never made that connection, i always assumed they did some kind of holy damage. Makes sense now, how it doesn't do much damage to Ornstein.
You sure HE’S the lord of sunlight?
Huh. So apparently catalyst fighting was viable the entire time, so long as you had the right catalyst and a bunch of Dex. Even after all these years, Dark Souls still manages to surprise us. Way to go, Miyazaki.
Presumably, you're intended to use these damaging catalysts as a supplement for your spells (which are a finite resource at any given bonfire). Would have been nice if they'd given a decent damage catalyst a little earlier, when you could most use the savings.
In DSR, the alternative twink weapons to the Gravelord Sword was the Tin Banishment Catalyst, or the Demon's Catalyst (any weapon with bleed trivializes Demon Firesage). Because stick fighting is apparently quite strong yet no one appreciated until weapon matchmaking.
Rather than early what I would've preferred was that the moveset wasn't as garbage.
Like... Don't give poke to what's obviously an axe (demon) or a mace (crystal), and don't give a special garbage poke rather than a standard spear poke to a spear.
As someone whos done catalyst runs of all the souls games, they are super viable and even in pvp if you play your two whole cards as best you can.
Also love your profile pic, dat from Devil's candy comic?
@@Professor-Badger Yes
The Sanctum Shield (a Shield and a spell catalyst capable of sorceries, miracles, and hexes) from Dark Souls 2 does what can be generously called fuck tons of damage
I remember when you were only at 200 subs, it’s great that people are giving you the attention you deserve! Keep on going man!
This channel is going to explode out of nowhere and Backlogs will finally have that overdue recognition he deserves!
"I kinda wish I was playing dark souls 2"
next challenge perhaprs? Spell tools only DS2? DS2 had some wierd things that could cast spells, so it'd probably be a lot of variety if nothing else lol
Blue flame and black witch staff are the best late game options. Earlier - probably archdrake staff? Idk.
Lightning +10 disc chime On a faith build did more damage than my Thorned lightning great sword +10
I'd be all for it, but you can hardly call it a challenge, in my experience a lot of casting tools, even the non-weapon ones are lethal, and that's not even including the weapons like the spontoon or the flame... and then there's the sanctum shield, what a lovely weapon
@@PowdergameFan18 saw someone whack a chime around and laughed at them until I Stood still, got hit, and It oneshot my remaining hp lmao
Just level up adp
This run has made my dark souls more fun. Never thought of actually hitting something with my staffs. But this has opened my eyes. Spells gone. No problem. Bonk! Bonk till it does.
Dammit Lemon, I was gonna quote one of your one liners here but there’s too many good ones to decide. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GOOD ONE LINERS.
God I was way too happy to see the Discord notification for this when I woke up. Another fantastic video in the books 😁
artorias of the abyss when you hit them with that +5 stick
It's a base stick you cant upgrade catalysts
@@TheOrzhovSyndicate the joke! You missed it! Oh god why!
Actually used Tin Banishment Catalyst a bit on a super cheesy low SL build back in the day. It's not a great weapon, but for the stat investment it's got kinda nutty raw damage.
This was just what I needed for a boring morning!
Hm. Yes. Demon firesage and lord of cinders are weak to fire. As everyone knows you fight fire with pokey fire
Gwyn had been burning for ages, and his element was technically electricity, so there's some logic there, though it's not the most intuitive weakness for a boss.
Neither are weak to fire, they both have amongts the highest resistances to fire, firesage's fire resistance is actually his highest elemental resistance.
Gwyn's fire resistance is still higher though, which is quite funny ^^
@@nightscout9979 it's actually not even a weakness at all ^^
Part of the definition of cinder is that it is literally something still flammable. Gwyn's weakness to fire wasn't an oversight it was an intentional weakness.
@@dorkmoonblade4315 Gwyn is literally not weak to fire, he has superior fire resistance compared to most bosses.
Also I could just as easily argue that you have the logic backward, since the definition of cinder is that it's partly burnt, meaning it has less combustible matter than it used to, which means that if I wanted to I could say it makes sense that the fire resistance is so high since it's filled with non combustible material.
For me it does make sense that Gwyn is weak to fire because the dragons breath fire while gwyn has lighting, so they have a perfect counter to each other.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate that chat isn't visible in your videos. I know some can ignore it, but it moves and has pictures, and I have ADHD. I feel very seen
"I resorted to manually aiming my swings, instead of locking on" THANK GOD! I was gonna say, like 90% of the whiffs in this video could have been avoided. But of course it hardly mattered because these spell tools were OP against more than 90% of the things you fought.
You just did a "Spell tool" run in DS1, but they reminded me of this and I thought I might recommend it.
DS1 with only the Skull Lantern?
Oh wow. Completely forgot that was considered a weapon.
Okay, yeah, that idea tickles my fancy - I'm in!
@@TheBacklogs I mean, it deals fire damage, which the lord of fire is weak to (obviously). Should be pretty easy cause that's the only boss that matters, right?
@@Knightshadess Quelag? Bed of Chaos? Both are immune to fire damage.
@@proximityclockworkx1572 That's for him to figure out how to deal with it ;)
@@Knightshadess I can't remember for sure but I think skull lantern counts as a shield so you might be able to buff it
aaaaaaaaaand you beat me to it!
yes, the banishment catalyst is insanely strong, which is why i considered doing the run. i'm curious to see if the physical damage scales more with dex or int, but i picked it up recently for fashion purposes and it did more damage than most of my weapons at this point in the game.
Backlogs: Sticks are surprisingly good weapons.
Shaderversity: THAT’S WHAT I BEEN SAYING !!!
“Ah yeah, look at those numbers! Look at this OH NO! Oh no that’s… that’s bad, that’s really bad.” -Everyone the first time they tried to use a weapon they didn’t meet the strength stats for, probably. 15:38
I'd like to see you do this challenge in the other souls games, though I'm not sure you could use true weapon catalysts like Blue Flame or Heysel Pick for this. That would just leave the Murky Longstaff in DS3 as that game's only proper bonk stick; good luck beating Freide in that run! O_O
Honestly, this run was a lot of fun. I would be more than happy to push it forward to the next few games :)
Heretic's Staff tho. It has great range, decent damage and you can get it pretty early on.
@@TheBacklogs Fun Fact: In DS2 the catalysts are VERY good for bonking damage. Due to how the game doesn't use spell adjust, but instead just gives catalysts a damage AR for each element to pull from for calculations. And it uses that same AR for the bonk damage, so you end up with catalysts with an AR in like the 600s. Sure it is split damage, but it is still CRAZY strong, especially considering the physical part of the damage is blunt which the majority of DS2's enemies are weak too. Even the spell casting shields do ridiculous damage when used in the main hand for bonking. It's certainly a...unique experience, but one I think you'll enjoy.
@@TheValiantBob Ditto on the casting shields! I used the dark one you get in the first dlc to make a Shield Knight cosplay (from Shovel Knight) long ago, and it was stupidly strong and versatile. DS2 might be the least polished of Fromsoft's recent games, but it is second to none for making crazy off-meta builds.
Blue Flame would feel like cheating since it's a sword. He could go with Chime Shield (I think that's the earliest one you can get if it's still in the same place in SoTFS.) Then go pick from either Sanctum Shield or Black Witch Staff both of which has insane bonk damage because of scaling from Magic/Dark/Lightning.
Actually, the iron golem's stagger isn't caused by poise damage--it's just based on regular damage. So the catalyst can still do it even if it doesn't deal any poise damage.
Can we all agree that this is Lemons funniest video?
Between the characters inner screaming before the run starts.
"Oh uh no thank you" followed by the Crag spider falling.
"Being naked is pretty uncouth, but so is murder"
"wElL wHaT iS iT?" After Capra.
*COMMUNITY SUGGESTIONS*
Lemon laughing at the golem falling.
"I'd miss the Leo ring" *Ornstein running* "oh look he knows"
"Oh hey God didn't know you were watching the stream"
I watch this anytime I need a laugh.
You should try this in Dark Souls 2! There is a sword called the Blue Flame that is a spell catalyst, and a shield called the Chime Shield, which is a miracle talisman! But getting there would be the fun part!
found your channel today and binged nearly every challenge run already, how is it possible that you have so few subs? with your production quality i would guessed you were at 250k or more.
2:26 punching with the pyro flame actually *does* get stronger when you upgrade it, only the durability is kinda bad
Was just going to say this. A simple look at the wiki or taking any character to see what a max flame vs base flame damage confirms this. Its not much of a boost but its something.
Holy hell, this was so fun to watch!!! Legendary content indeed...! I'm super stoked for this challenge run on DS2 and DS3!
One of the most interesting and fun challenges i've seen about Dark Souls. Thank you, learned a lot and made me laugh along the way :-)
Your continuous disbelief at how overpowered it is early on had me rolling. That is as my exact reaction on my first ever character; didn’t know where I was supposed to be, wandered down to blight town and felt helpless. Found that thing, and have never been quite as glad since to be a sorcerer
Legitimately never would have gotten out of blight town or into dark souls if not for that catalyst. It will always have my love!
I remember going from 7 r1s or four spells to take down an enemy, to one shot killing everything. I suddenly felt like a god!
7:22 staggering the golem actually isn't based on poise damage, but on actual damage. 400 to his leg to stagger him, another 400 to make him fall if he's staggered
9:15 "I'm sure itll be fine."
Those souls over there tell a different story
Having now rewatched the video... What happened with the crystal tin poky stick? Not worth using/getting?
After seeing the massive damage of the demon catalyst, I didn't feel like bothering with Logan's questline. Demon's felt strong enough.
i just realised that the soul of cinder and gwyn have the same death animation, thats pretty sick
I remember finding the banishment catalyst on my sorcery build and being surprised that it did actual damage, i even used it as my main weapon for a while
10:26 wha-, with Astora straight sword +5 i dealt just 127 of damage
(with 30 strength, 30 dex and 30 faith)
Maybe i should change my character main weapon...
I like how he is surprised and a little disgusted by an actually good weapon
Me in challenge run: hmmm , what about sorcery only?
Backlogs: What about hitting everything with a stick?
i know you haven't used it but i remember useing tumblebuffing to do something similar in ng+. Casting crystal magic weapon with a tin crystalization catalyst on the exact same catalyst and then pokeing enemys for 500 dmg despite the stupid looking animation was hilariouse.
I just immediately fell in love with your channel after I heard you use music from bugdom. The game was such a big part of my childhood and had such an iconic score. Glad to see other people who appreciate it too
This is the first vid of yours I've seen time to binge em lol. Also I've never used any of these catalysts I've got to play dark souls more
14:30 Din't even get the quote right. "Ah Kos... or some say Kosm. Do you hear our prayers?"
"As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains to cleanse our beastly idiocy."
He's actually the lord of Lightning.
I use the demon's catalyst in a twink build for invading. It's fun to bait people in with soul arrows only to poke them for around 200-300 damage.
Still waiting on ds2 catalyst only run
Love your videos I’ve been binge watching them since I first discovered your channel. Thanks for keeping me entertained these past few days.
At the beginning of this video I was thinking how insane his damage will be when he gets the demon catalyst
Ymfah: makes a 1 int mage
Lemon: hm ok yeah but what if no?
Srsly though, these channels feel like brothers and it warms my dark souls and sanctuary heart
This is amazing man, love it
Keep up the good work
Reminds me of a D&D game where someone played a wizard who got into wizard school on a football scholarship 😂
“Ah, no! My tinnitus!”
- Why I hate kalameet
I remember getting the Tin Banishment Catalist in an early playthrough and dying to the booby trapped super slippery log you have to walk down to get back. I didn't know about the ladder out of that area at the time. And it turned out the thing is really only good for poking stuff. The base sorceror staff is better for almost all applications.
I remember in my first time playing this game I actually ran with the tin catalyst for a fair bit since it looked cool and was on par or better than my weapons (I didn't really get how upgrades and stuff worked haha.) Was cool to see it come up on a channel I like
2:55 Eleven years later only just pegged the Int symbol is a candle not a rifle round
Lmao ye I remember hitting an enemy with the tin catalyst for the first time and instakilling them
that was an absurd amount of damage.
like so many of these runs have crap damage with intended weapon usages but some guy at FS was just a big fan of pointy dumb sticks
Animal Crossing music goes well with literally everything.
I don't think gaping dragon has ever been an actual challenge in one of your, well, challenge runs.
on a technicality I think you also could've used the dark hand because i think in the code it counts as a catalyst
no it cant cast spells
That's only in ds3 iirc
damn, im interested to see Lemon go for a run of dark souls or S&S using everything he's learned to see just how powerful he could become. the "3 hits or less" challenge, if you will
Now this is what i've been waiting for...
Idc what people say the tin banishment catalyst in the right hand and parrying dagger in the left hand is the most OP intelligence build
Considering everytime I play DkS1 I punch the Asylum Boss to death, it'd be faster to me with stick :P
One of those random recommendations that were actually good.
Dig the commentary, it's fun.
3:18 what did I do? WHAT DID I DO!?!?
I love every playthrough inevitably hearing “Time to separate the wheat from the chaff” as he approaches O&S.
Now let's be fair, Gwen is literally burning himself as fuel, if he didn't burn well he would make terrible fuel.
These videos are all over my home page and I’ve watched every single one that popped up
For reference since plenty of people seem to get it wrong, and that for at least some of those it's probably not just a joke :
Gwyn is not weak to fire, Gwyn has fairly high resistances overall including to fire, 249, for comparison seath, sif, nito, smough, firesage (firesage is not weak to fire, that's a myth, it's actually its highest resistance), four kings and gaping dragon all have smaller resistances to fire.
In fact aside from DLC bosses and the members of izalith's family who are immune to fire, Gwyn has one of the highest resistance to fire in all the game.
I've not looked for every boss but the only ones I found with a higher resistance than him are ornstein (both phases) and iron golem.
What is true however is that he is least resistant to fire... By about 20 points, 267. Considering how defense work in DS that's not insignificant but it's also not a huge difference.
its funny for me to see this video randomly pop up, since this was the first challenge run i ever did. I had just finished the game as a mage, and noticed the weird pokey sticks. Then I thought, welp why not? I did not even know the nightmare that was playing melee after playing a mage, especially with a weaker spear, but hey, it's a fun run. Congrats on the win.
Technically, you are using the "Hitting it with a stick" spell
Swinging is a somatic component for casting the spell, but it has to make contact for the spell to resolve
seeing that tin banishment catalyst makes a pretty ok weapon is gratifying to me, as i always thought it looked cool. the chosen undead holds it weird tho
When I watch dark souls challenge videos like "whips only" I comment silly things like "only whips but he uses shield/armor"
But this dude is on a whole other level
Lord of Cinder is like the dragon-type from pokémon: he's weak to his own power xD
**BONK**
I did not expect to hear a song from Bugdom in the beginning but here we are, good selection btw that song is incredible.
In Dark souls 2 my staff breaks in 6 hits lol
Ah, I figured this would be the real challenge. Looking forward to it haha
This channel makes me so happy when I’m down
I can proudly say I voted to not kill Solaire... even tho he gets a very unfortunate fate.... *say what you want, I'm not capable of killing mah boi he helped me too much :(*
You can save him from his fate by ranking up in the chaos covenant and opening the side door and murdering the sunlight maggot before you enter lost izalith the normal route. Instead of having it on his head when you progress through the area normally, he'll be sitting there same as always and chat - and even be summonable for the Gwyn boss fight later.
At least someone else knows about how good early tin banishment catalyst is now.
At least it's... something... for early sorcerers.
I-wha-huh? Look, I knew Dark Souls made no sense, but the lack of sense here is so bad it lapped itself.
Ha ha
Lapp
Maybe someone mentioned it but, for the centipede that unlock the bonfire in the demons ruin, you can stand on its left and he want hit you.
I love how he almost kills Solaire for his armor when he had the crimson set from when he got the tin banishment catalyst
As soon as you started I knew the tin banishment catalyst would get you excited. Its pretty damn good.
Looks like you made a build the character from Maschle would come up with and i LOVE it XD
Hope theres at least one person here who gets that reference XD.
Tin Banishment Catalyst was the star of my first run. I was so thrilled to have a stabby spellstick.
18:28 I mean, lord of cinder, he's the lord of BEING on fire. nyek nyek
"i cast stick!"
oh, that reminds me of a gag in a silly story:
some people were playing D&D.
ALL of them were Barbarians.
one declared himself a wizard (but didn't really learn any magic), sneaked up on an enemy, and the player said, "i cast sleep."
the DM said, "you wave an ordinary stick at him and yell, "SLEEP!" but nothing happens ,except him staring at you in shock. you have one more chance to do something before he sounds an alarm. what do you do?"
*I HIT HIM WITH THE STICK* !
that's part of a popular story, "the all-barbarian party".
This dude's video quality is better than people with 10x the subs.
That pokey catalyst you get from blight town is a beast starting weapon
I will now try a build idea with only catalyst and thank you for this video.
In my opinion, Manus will always be one of the greatest video game bosses of all time. I have spent so many hours learning his combos, little secrets of where to sneak in a quick hit if your weapon is fast enough, the rhythm needed to dodge his delayed attacks while still being ready for the ones that come out super fast, stuff like that.
I spent hours throwing myself at his fog wall both on my first playthrough and my SL1 run and I enjoyed every minute of it.