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Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker reviewed by Mark Kermode
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2019
- Mark Kermode reviews Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker. Rey, Finn, Poe and their friends unite to ward off the rampaging Kylo Ren and his new alliance with an old threat.
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"there's no need to discuss the plot"
sounds like a winner
This cracked me up 😂
"long distance relationship with Kylo Ren" lol
Who would have thought that a trilogy of films based around one of the biggest IP's in cinema with one of the most ravenous fan bases, with no road map, written by several different people who never consulted each other, could possibly go pear shaped?
I for one am shocked.
Still baffles me why they wouldn't have a 3 film plan when they knew they were going to make 3 films. I feel like it just shows how little they actually care about the quality of the films
Self made billionaire, owner of WWE, and all around great guy, Vince McMahon once said “Don’t give fans what they think they want. Instead, give them what they don’t know they want.” This is why we once saw an 80 year old former wrestler have a fling with the world’s strongest man, get pregnant, and gave birth to a plastic hand.
But how does it compare to The Exorcist?
Think “Exorcist II: The Heretic” but making even less sense
I like the point that Mark makes at 4:31, I've been saying that some of the secondary characters in this, such as Domonic Monaghan's guy or Zori Bliss, just felt like NPCs from a video game that just pop up solely with the purpose of feeding exposition.
"It's a handsome looking movie" = "How did I enjoy dinner last night? Well, the decor was lovely."
Mayo now looking like Christopher walken
As a big fan of Star Wars and especially The Last Jedi?
This film hurt a lot.
"Stuff! And then action." Should be on the poster.
For me the saga ended at ROTJ. It's got a better ending and a better conclusion to a 6 film story.
He laughed... He shouted... He fist-pumped the air
"That, people, is how you play this game"?
what, did you except him to go: "Well Mark, Disney said they'd give me my own Star Wars trilogy to work on if i made the last Jedi and then reneged on the deal when they saw the finished film. but it's okay, Mark. I'm not bitter at all.."
read between the lines, hon..
I'm very open-minded about the way this trilogy has developed. But if self-confessed gaming philistine Mark can describe what plot there is as a videogame fetch-quest then something is definitely rotten in the state of Star Wars.
Now we have all three films to look at, the decision to give TLJ to Rian Johnson seems more mental than it did when his attachment was announced. All three films by JJ would have led to a basically safe retread of the original trilogy, updated for a modern audience: fine. All three films by Rian Johnson would have led to a radical re-imagining of the whole shebang, and a chance to create something fresh out of a stock formula: also fine. Instead, TFA, while being a little too safe, built a house that TLJ gleefully set fire to, leaving TRoS to try to pick up the pieces; and so the audience who wanted something familiar, and the audience that wanted something different, were both left disappointed by the whole endeavour.
I've never liked Star Wars at all but I feel bad for the fans. If someone came along and somehow did this level of injustice to Tolkein's work, I would be just as pissed.
As a theme park ride it’s smashing. As a story it’s a bit penny dreadful.
As a star wars fan from day one, my feeling is I'm glad it's over!
Nice jacket Mark.
Well, as long as Rian Johnson enjoyed making The Last Jedi, that’s the important thing
It was like they gave the franchise to Michael Bay. No pacing, no character development, no real story arc - just action sequences randomly stitched together and no emotional involvement as a result. There were some decent bits in the last 1/3 - if you're a SW fan you can't help get involved when the music kicks in and the lightsabres are crackling - but it was cheap fan service at best and the rest was poor.
This sounds like that moment when a 12 year-old me handed my mother the painting I had been working on in secret for her birthday, she slowly tore the paper off and said: "Ohhh wow.... I love the frame"!
Let's come back in ten years and see what we think
Chris Torrio, the writer of Batman V Superman and Justice League...
Also co-wrote Rise of Skywalker.
This film was doomed from the start.
You failed to mention the Elephant in the room. The return of Palpatine. A desperate decision made purely due to Rian Johnson killing off Snoke in The Last Jedi, and in turn, retconning the events of Return Of The Jedi. There was no storyline for this trilogy, it’s a complete mess.
Star Wars just leaves me cold now. It's become a never ending franchise. There will be reboots. A series that never ends had no stakes and diminished value. Who cares any more?
I will probably never understand how it is possible to like “The Last Jedi”, wich I hated, but I respect different opinions. But since the last movie I just lost completely the interest in watching Star Wars and I will not go to the theater to watch “The Rise of Skywalker”. But really, not because I am angry and want to protest ... I simply doesn’t care anymore ... very sad. I saw the first movie in the theater as a child but after more than 40 years the magic is gone. Maybe they don’t target me as audience anyway ...
Although you say that this film doesn't pick up the threads of Last Jedi, you say that this now feels like a trilogy with a first and a third film but no second film.
It is Last Jedi that is the problem - Johnson deliberately did not pick up on the breadcrumbs scattered by Abrams in The Force Awakens - who is Rey? Who is Snoke? Why does Rey have all these force powers and why did she bond so quickly with Luke's lightsaber? The Last Jedi narrative simply didn't make sense as it had no continuity with these issues.
So good to watch a Rise review that isn't hysterical.
Best thing about this trilogy is Kylo Ren's character and his arc. Everything involving him is interesting and more thought out. Also
Adam Driver's great performance completely sells it. This film is convenient, not built on any structure due to the previous films, narratively messy, does rely on nostalgia moments far too heavily. But I still enjoyed it and had a good time, despite recognising its flaws. Parts of it especially Kylo Ren's arc was very satisfying.
THERE'S NO NEED TO DISCUSS THE PLOT...... BECAUSE IT HASN'T GOT ONE LOL
The Disney trilogy ultimately suffered from a lack of clear vision and a road map that the directors/writers should have had to follow, the result is a mess
They paid the price for their lack of vision
I understand why many people like the film, as you said it has entertaining moments. However, as someone who was very invested in the characters and the story I hated the film. Instead of building on what TFA and TLJ did, it retcons them in a way that makes TLJ in particular make no sense.
Instead, we get a film that does something we have seen before done better in Star Wars with an incredible amount of fan service. As you said, like a greatest hits reel. I don't feel like it ended the saga well because (mild SPOILER) we are essentially in the same place as we were at the end of the original trilogy.
As a film, too, its pacing and story structure are totally no existent. For me, it moved so quickly that it couldn't really explore the emotional implications for the characters in any real depth. It got so ridiculous around half way through that I felt nothing had any weight.
However, I think a lot of people will be entertained. And 3PO was great in the film.
He laughed.. He shouted..His fist pumped the air... It was crap 😢
"I laughed, I cried, I fist pumped the air....."
Pretty much summed up exactly how I felt about it. Like Mark I loved TLJ for same reasons he gave. Love it or hate it, it felt like a proper film. To me, TROS mostly felt like a highly contrived cut and paste job from a hundred different fan subreddits. But, yes, Driver and Ridley were still very good.
Agree with Mark. The Rise of Skywalker is an enjoyable but hollow experience. And it absolutely lacks the strength of its conviction. If you count C-3PO getting his memory erased as a character death, then I counted no less than five times the movie seemingly kills a character only to immediately backpedal and undo it.
Having a plan and sticking to it is how Marvel (and Sony) got to make 23 movies and finish with the satisfying Avengers Endgame. The Last Jedi needed to feed into this movie, building some momentum... which many felt it didn't. I came to The Rise of Skywalker with an open mind, and enjoyed it.
Trilogy 1 was Anakin's story. Trilogy 2 was Anakin's son's story. Trilogy 3 SHOULD have been Anakin's grandson's story. Instead it focused on a completely new character (Rey) and Ben Solo's story was cast to the side.
By the end. I just didn't care about anyone, because I could see behind the curtain. And that literally nothing is final. Everything can be undone or changed if it gets more toys sold or more Twitter fans happy. Nothing is sacred and that means there are no real stakes. So I just stopped caring
Top tip, if your relasing a trilogy then storyboard the whole lot.....and stick to it!!!
"Didn't pick up the gauntlet thrown down by The Last Jedi" What a farce! As if The Last Jedi didn't (literally) throw the charge of its predecessor over its shoulder. If any film lacked respect to what came before, it's the Last Jedi, and your assessment of that film is as baffling as ever.
The Last Jedi is a mess. I don't know how Mark can't see that. Just look at it - no character arcs, the story hardly moves at all - everyone's in exactly the same place at the end as they are at the beginning. It's two and half hours of treading water. It doesn't do anything daring either, unless you consider misplaced humour and turning the once-scary General Hux into a joke daring. I loved RoS and I think it's only failing is it's trying to condense two movies into one because Rian Johnson ignored JJ's original plot outline and things that should've been established in VIII, weren't. I agree RoS pretty much ignores TLJ, and for me that's a plus - it means I can watch all the movies except 8 and not lose anything. The Last Jedi is an inconsequential movie now - nothing that happened in it matters in the overall scheme of things.
JJ obviously hates TLJ too. If you didn't notice the little digs at it during RoS you weren't watching closely enough. :-D
This is the most accurate review of the movie that I’ve seen. Mark is fair to all aspects of the film, good and bad, and I feel like I had a similar reaction to him. Enjoyed it, but these bits weren’t great.
Episode 8, Rey teams up with Kylo and they go full dark.
Episode 9, Luke & Leia take on Reylo together and some combination of redemption and death between the 4 characters takes place.
There, I fixed the trilogy.
Another great review where Mark tells you everything whilst giving away nothing!
"I liked the last Jedi"
But why?
My problem with Last Jedi was how they changed the character of Luke, and, in my opinion, ultimately wasted this now unrecognizable character from how he had been in the original trilogy..It spoilt the whole film 4 me, especially after all the hype about how they were bringing back the the original characters when the new Disney Star Wars films were announced.
Richard E Grant being trolled by Limmy gets a mention lol.
The moment he said, "I really liked the Last Jedi", he lost me.
Will always respect Kermode, but I can't trust his opinion on Star Wars. He said The Last Jedi was good after all...
It probably could've done with a single person overseeing all three films, as was always the case before.
Its amazing that the same studio that planned the MCU didn't have the foresight to map out the trilogy.
I came out of the Cinema after The Last Jedi feeling very uncertain. Could,...could it be...that as a life long fan of Star Wars, that I hated a Star Wars movie? After a few days, I felt relieved that I wasn't alone, as I began to read and hear similar opinions. I was not wrong, TLJ was indeed a pile of smelly stuff. After a few more days and weeks I was being told by Mr Johnson that if I didn't like his movie, I was a Man Baby? And THAT, people (and MR Kermode) is how he played the game.
He's right about The Last Jedi, it is excellent.
The guy who doesn’t like Star Wars likes the Last Jedi and is disappointed that parts of it were undone. Yup, enough said.
If Mark Kermode interviewed Rian Johnson and came away with that feeling he didn't ask the question "why did you berate and insult genuine fans when they offered constructive criticism on his film on social media?" imo Mr Johnson deserves no respect.
He said the film is like playing the Star Wars greatest hits. That sounds like a summary of The Force Awakens.
I'm not sure what gauntlet was thrown down by TLJ. It tied up most things Abrams left in TFA. Given that finding Luke was supposed to be the thing that saves the galaxy and in TLJ Luke almost entirely refused to get involved, wasn't it TLJ that that didn't take up the gauntlet from TFA?
There's something very poetic about a dull and safe Star Wars film being in theatres at the same time as Rian Johnson has a really clever, entertaining and award-nominated film that challenges and revitalises a fairly tired genre...
Totally agreed.
The Last Jedi was an attempt to democratise The Force by suggesting that it wasn’t just an inheritance of lineage, but that anybody could have it flowing through them. At times the plotting was clumsy, but there was a through-line with the story and theme and it provoked thought.
Rise of Skywalker is an attempt to checklist everything the fans wanted and airbrush out anything controversial about The Last Jedi. The storyline is driven by that and, for me, there was just a sense of ho-hum when it’s all over.
It stings because I and alot of people feel like they missed a great opportunity to make a fantastic trilogy. They had 30 years of back story's to tap into and didn't utilise luke or anakin. The trilogy failed to wow me
TLJ wasn't nearly as clever as Rian Johnson thought it was. All it did was negate interesting characters and plotlines, while resetting the story back to Empire vs rebels. It's boring. So is ROS, when all is said and done..
All fair points, but TLJ didn't really leave anyone much to work with. Everyone always points to the "interesting ideas/themes" it explored. And yes, they were there. The problem is, TLJ never actually did anything with them. It just left JJ with shambles of plot, themes and character arcs and JJ has to scramble these into something usable. That said, it's hard to say if ROS is actually a better film...
I keep hearing this TLJ defense of Rian Johnson daring to take the story in new directions. Sorry, all I saw it's him being a contrarian and just reacting to what was done before. There is nothing original about it. I like to be surprised and directors/writers taking the plot to places I wasn't expecting. However, it needs to make sense and be set up properly.
Disney paid Lucasfilm 4 billion for the rights to Star Wars and didn’t think to put Han, Luke and Leia on the screen together. It would have an ideal fan service. A missed opportunity.
Glad you were at least entertained by it Mark. As a huge fan of 7 and 8, I was so disappointed by the decisions they made for this one.
I had a bad feeling about it when in the first 5 minutes Darth Exposition came back from the dead to tell everyone his plan for galactic conquest...
And Wedge returns, for 2 seconds!
"Who are you?"
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
"Rey Kermode"
Totally took me out of the movie
Sounds like rian was playing a different game to what he told you mark.
Rewatched TFA and TLJ before watching Rise of Skywalker on its opening night. Wasn't a fan of The Last Jedi at all, but The Rise of Skywalker made me like it. On a rewatch, I realised that, although I'm not the biggest fan of its pacing, The Last Jedi raised far more interesting concepts than were in The Force Awakens or The Rise of Skywalker. The narrative I'd consumed about it "not respecting the originals" was in fact the inverse - The Last Jedi saw Luke, Leia etc were characters rather than pop culture icons and by doing something deliberately wacky and out-there, Rian Johnson channeled George Lucas' original vision for Star Wars. The reason why I love The Last Jedi now is in part because of how uncomfortable I initially felt with how it was going. Where The Force Awakens (which I do still like) and The Rise of Skywalker gave us Star Wars, The Last Jedi told a story.
I'm shocked he found this entertaing and good looking. It was fast paced but somehow dull and boring. And the visuals were so dark and colorless and the camera would not stop shaking.
Mark: I liked The Last Jedi
Me: I think I'll give 'Entourage' a go
1 of the biggest movie franchises ever and they didnt even write their 3 stories out before a scene was even filmed and that is just criminal. This movie did the best job it could to wrap up so many stories and end the Skywalker saga too, it pretty much had an impossible job to do but they brought it on themselves by their bizarre planning of the trilogy.
I think they should have drawn a line under the whole thing in 1984.
I don't always agree with Kermode, but I feel like this review hits everything that was wrong in the movie
This is the same guy who praised the Last Jedi saying how clever it was, "a well-constructed piece of drama, driven by the arcs of it's characters". (?) 😆 Kermode destroyed his reputation by his naive comments and he continues to do so here.
He admited he "didn't get the original Star Wars" which is obvious. He liked Rose Tico's character and said how moved he was when she saved Fin in TLJ. 🙄 Ooof! (Never mind how counter the plot or senseless this was in the context of the story) TLJ trashed the whole Star Wars legend with an SJW PC agenda clumsily assembled by Rian Johnson under the incompetent mis-guidance of Kathleen Kennedy.
I will never take Kermode seriously again because he seems to have lost all objectivity, understanding of proper storytelling and strong interesting characters, and his love of the new films can only be explained by Disney 💵 I suspect...there are plenty of rumours about how many critics were rewarded and this could explain the astonishing 'divergence in the Force' between the critical acclaim and bitterly disappointed audience ratings.
Seriously, I was thinking to myself: If Mark defends this movie, I cannot trust his judgement any longer. The movie has no scenes! It's just set piece after set piece after set piece in a pace that doesn't let the audience appreciate anything about this universe.
Main thing I disagree with here is this suggestion that it's somehow the viewers fault. As though pointing out glaring plot-holes and nonsensical writing, is off-limits to all but recognised critics. Which seems to me to be the implication here.
Where I whole-heartedly agree, is about the movie seeming to do something daring and then immediately back-tracking. There are 3 examples of that which come to mind immediately and I hated every single one of them.
Well Mark, if you recall, people were not divided when 'Force Awakens' came out. Isn't that strange? It made over $2Billion, and in the most part everybody went extremely excited and full of anticipation to see 'Last Jedi'. The division started after 'Last Jedi', so it must have done something wrong... Perhaps you need to think this through a bit more. And by the way, there are surely very simple things you can do to please the majority of fans, like, I don't know, perhaps make a competent film? Keep faithful to what came before? Treat old characters with respect? Things that were absent from 'Last Jedi'.
The emperor was dead fact
Now we have the full story arc of the current Star Wars saga, the standouts have always been Empire Strikes Back and Rogue One - Gareth Edwards should be first in line for Direction duties for the next instalment given how much love and dedication was put into Rogue One.
Always good to get Mark's take on stuff. He rational and nuanced. Most people's opinions about SW online are just insufferable. Full of hyperbole and shouting. Bored of it.
The result of this shambles of a sequel trilogy is the equivalent to asking a jingle writer to compose a symphony.
What are you guys talking about? There was nothing to continue from TLJ. He gave JJ nothing to work with! The Rise of Skywalker is a miracle to even exist.
I haven't seen it yet but I've heard there are horses on a starship, how & why - did the budget run out for special effects?
I’m not a huge Star Wars fan, but I’ve watched them all casually.
The Last Jedi is probably me favorite, because at least it *tried* new things.
This feels like Mark just wants to defend Rian Johnson. I have no problems, with Star Wars trying something different out but it has to make some sense. The Empire Strikes Back is completely different to A New Hope but it is considered a great film. The problem with The Last Jedi is it had a terrible central plot, which made no sense. A stupid comic opening, which was so misjudged in that it made the First Order look like a bunch of idiots (which then continued through the entire film) and made Luke completely unlikeable, whilst going off the other main characters on a silly side quest, which was just incredibly weak. Killed off what could have been an interesting character in Snoke for nothing and making Kylo Ren look incredibly stupid for fighting a force ghost of Luke Skywalker.
The vast majority of Star Wars fans who hated The Last Jedi, didn't dislike the film because it took the film in a different direction to The Force Awakens, they hate it because it had huge plot holes that make no sense and it weakened the antagonist to such a point that it made them a laughing stock.
Good directors make bad films, it happens for whatever reason.
I hope Mark writes a book about the disgusting way he was treated in this trilogy. Hammil was true to the character of Luke his whole life. Never embarrassed Luke with bad or questionable behavior. You didn't deserve the way you were treated.
A trilogy is meant to have an overall story arc, not be like a relay race where the first guy (JarJar Abrams) tries to take it safe, completes his bit but doesn't go flat out and produces an uninspiring performance. He passes it to the next guy (Ruin Johnson) and this clown just runs off the track straight to the toilet, chucks the baton down the bog and takes a shit on it. The third guy (Colin Trevorrow) gets sent off the track by the coach (KrayKray KK) for not being happy abt what his team has done. So the first guy (JarJar Abrams) has to replace him, who has to now fish out the baton from the bog and do his best with it. Meanwhile, the coach (KrayKray KK) is congratulating the second guy (Ruin Johnson) and telling him he'll get more big races in the future. I mean just wtf is going on here haha! Just got to wonder why there's that much incompetence because it's almost like the goal they have is to tarnish what George Lucas made imo.
It's basically Transformers with light sabers.
That's either good or bad depending on what you're looking for a in a movie.
I’m a casual viewer of Star Wars films, not a hardcore fan - or even much of a fan overall - but I felt Last Jedi was a weakly written film with some misguided creative decisions
They didnt have a plan for the trilogy, the single most unprofessional act.......awful
I enjoyed it. I laughed - mainly at the myriad of call backs and the exposition - but I still don't think Mark understands why TLJ upset so many fans. And even more intrigued as where Mark thought RJ (who I can't believe didn't know what he was doing and was far from as cool as he has tried to make out to you) was taking it? There's been hate on both sides over TLJ but everyone who comments on either side seems to get tarred with the same brush and the people responsible for that film have sadly joined in. But Twitter is the world we live in ... unfortunately.
I think Mark's review is fair. It's certainly no "Empire". There may be bigger fans of Mark (they must be really big) than me but it will be a sad day when I no longer hear or read his thoughts.
BTW "Subversive" is the word most commonly used when it comes to TLJ, but I always felt that Rogue One was subversive (for the first half at least) and I loved that. TLJ felt like being slapped repeatedly in the face by a wet fish and me just staring at it saying "Will you just stop?"
When you refer Mr Johnson as being positive and mature are you talking about the same person who said " Your Snoke theory sucks" or blaming the dislike of The Last Jedi on Russian bots,?
Overall it was good entertainment for the money. Provided you don’t watch the manufactured rage and hyperbole from certain RUclips reviewers before going you will likely enjoy it. The most amusing critique I’ve seen: “It’s absolute garbage! But I don’t blame JJ!”
I actually enjoyed the film, looks great and didn't seem to drag at all. It's all opinions though so I get why people don't like it but I thought it was a good fun film.
Star wars was like wow, empire strikes back was like wow, return of the jedi was like wow (minus the ewoks) and what came after that was like eh, ok.
Agree with everything Mark said.
Personal opinion: The identity of the prequels is that it tried to squeeze in too many ideas and explanations and setups for the original. The identity of the recent trilogy is that they didn't have a plan, they weren't sure what they were doing.
Would love to know what those TLJ ‘ plot developments’ are as it ended with nowhere to go??