Like you said about a new generation who will champion this movie, there was a kid sitting in front of me when I saw it this morning who was absolutely loving it, and getting hyped with all the big moments. That's what Star Wars is about, was awesome to see.
Tell that to this haters from hell! This is the essence of Star Wars and it is beautiful to see! Star Wars is for all the kids and for the kid inside of us.
That's what it's all about. The movies to capture the wild imagination of the youth, the animated series to dive a bit deeper and then live action series like The Mandalorian for folks that are a bit older and then some cross-sections between all. And that's just on-screen 😊
yeah but then they would say something like the OT sucks because it's old with lame puppets and fake special effects... i have legit heard crap like that from teenagers..
Pryde killing Hux instantly like that and telling crew member to contact Palps to tell him that he had found the spy really showed Pryde as hardcore old school Imperial and was great scene
Also it's a sign that he's learned from the failures of the empire. They had a huge number of spies and traitors towards the end of the last war, so he knows that decisive action needs to be taken immediately.
@@Seeriosa After reading the Hux comic I was really disappointed by that scene. I reminded me of the Phasma treatment, a character that was really interesting in books/comics but then is just thrown away in the movies. Hux at least had some good scenes in the other movies I suppose.
Just one thing on the Rey Skywalker name. Rey died and Ben transferred his force life into her. So she kind of now is a Skywalker. The two becomes one. Maybe that is what they were going for...
You said it yourself, Molly. Palpatine is a zombie. He's dead. Anakin killed him. He only comes back to life when he takes the life force of Rey and Ben. The Sith line always passes from master to apprentice, but Anakin screwed that up for them, so the Sith Spirit had to resort to possessing the corpse of Palpatine. I love this explanation, because it's consistent visually as well as allows Anakin to have brought balance to the Force. He DID destroy the Sith. And by visually, I mean that Palpatine looked markedly different, he was decomposing and had blue lips.
D C agreed. I kinda also like when some questions aren’t answered because cool theory’s like your own get created and you can imagine what ever you want
I'd like to believe that Rey has a yellow saber to symbolize that she is a new guardian of the Jedi - as the Jedi temple guards also had yellow lightsabers
Yup it seemed like that was the intention. Not sure how they thought it looked any different from any other yellow saber we've seen before. It even looked like it was double sided just like the temple guard sabers as well.
I love the movie so this isn't a criticism, but I don't think working with the story group should be optional. They're supposed to be protectors of the canon. They're there to make sure everything makes sense. The whole purpose of them is to prevent any new canon Star Wars stories that contradict something already established in canon. It shouldn't be up to the creator to decide if they want to adhere to the canon or not.
Totally agree and the problem I have with the Legends material. So many contradictions. Heck the prequels themselves wiped out half the stuff that had been written in books.
I think the story group was always going run into this issue. Similar to the Legends/old EU, where the films were the top level and everything else fell into supplementary tiers of legitimacy. It was only a matter of time before a filmmaker stepped in and decided something was wholly different than things previously established and the story group is going to have to patch things up to make everything fit. I'm just surprised it seems to have stumbled into this sort of situation as quickly as it has Of course, this would be easier to manage, if they set any following films in the distant future or past from the current(prequel and sequel inclusive) era, so they have a lot more room to do whatever they want
@@gary24fan there were contradictions but they already addressed those contradictions through sourcebooks that Hidalgo made years prior to the Disney acquisition.
i wasnt aware its optional, what did you see that makes you think it breaks continuity or canon (i reckon other than the blatant attempt to retcon TLJ in some weird fan service)
Prequel Trilogy : Story of how when we try to undo our fates, we instead rush them and give ourselves an even more horrible gate. Original Trilogy: classic tale of good vs evil with a character who always thought themselves as nothing becoming one of the most important people in the Galaxy. Sequel Trilogy: Story of how our legacy and families don't define us and how Instead it's on us on how we're gonna define ourselves.
James Cole not really as Rey dismisses her heritage. She chooses who she is and what she wants to be, she isn’t the hero because she’s a Palpatine. She’s the hero because of who she is.
@@gavinallerton3414 Yeah I agree. Maybe the Palpatine Reveal changes the one in TLJ a bit, but that doesn't necessarily affect the message of these movies. Rey's past doesn't decide her future. She does. Her Family being connected to the dark side doesn't have to mean she doesn't have a choice. Especially in TRoS, she has actual character flaws and doesn't believe in herself. I can understand why people don't like the issues in the ST, but you can't just be so ignorant that you don't even want to acknowledge any good is in them just because you want to hate them so badly. I'm talking about people like ShakenMike, because someone literally told them what they need to hear to not hate every aspect of the ST, and he just ignored it. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have their opinions, but being ignorant doesn't make anyone look better.
The sequel trilogy in my mind is about those who learn the wrong lessons from history are doomed to repeat them. There are two sides in these movies. One is kylo who says burn the past and forget it to start over. Rey looks at the past through Luke, han, and Leia to learn from them for answers to the future. This is also evident in Poe and Lando. Asking how did they defeat an empire. This is a good example of history in general. When people don’t learn from others mistakes then history repeats itself.
I feel like with the sequel trilogy is all about family. Rey has to deal with abandonment (ep.7) and then realizing she might be nobody (ep 8) before realizing it's actually much worse (ep.9) and resolving it by realizing family is more than blood relations. Kylo has to deal with rejecting his family (ep.7/8) to rejoining them and reaccepting the solo name. I really dug this trilogy and I hope time helps its popularity like the prequels.
Ben having that internal conversation with Han does make a lot of sense, and that conversation giving him closure and strength to redeem himself. Thanks!
On Palpatine, I get the impression it's a bit like Sauron in the Lord of the Rings. He was defeated at first but his spirit endured. Later he returns in a new form, and in Palpatine's case actually succeeds in renewing his physical form to how it used it be.
No one is questioning that explanation, everyone is questioning *how.* Sith have already been shown unable to live on as force ghosts through the living force, tying their body to a physical object (Vader came across an object like this and dealt with an older with lord).
@@HeyyItsDaleVODS I think it's simply Palpatine's spirit clung onto whatever life he had left through pure malice and hatred, a little like how Maul survives being cut in half. The Sith acolytes/cultists on Exegol then probably brought him back through a combination of ritualistic Sith sorcery and cloning a new body for him. This will probably all be explained in the expanded universe. Even if we might be disappointed it wasn't in the film, I know I'm excited for it to be delved into in the books/comics etc.
I don't think he has been talking to his Grandfather as Darth Vader or as Anakin, he's been talking to Palpatine pretending to be his Grandfather. Palpatine says, "I have been every voice you have ever heard" or something like that. Also, this isn't Han's ghost coming to see him, it was Ben remembering his father. He says, "you're just a memory" so it was all in his mind - and he has no memory of his grandfather.
Agree on both points. It was kind of obvious that Ben was never talking to Vader since Anakin 'killed' Vader at the end of ROTJ. I figured it was Snoke manipulating Ben all along. Instead it was Palpatine. Now I'm wondering if that was Abrams' plan all along or if Johnson yanked out the rug by killing Snoke and Palpatine was a fallback.
*You know a movie is complete SHIT when some people have to invest themselves in damage control and explanations to major plot holes and things that make no sense*
This is why is love you guys. Always just present what’s known and give educated responses. Rise is flawed but it’s now a part of the lore so why not just discuss it as adults and enjoy what we love about this ever growing world.
Rey's saber also seemed to be double bladed, like her staff, and made from it as well. At least that's what I got from what I could see when it was on her waist.
There were some in legends that looks a lot like they hilt with two places designed to be used one handed...when it hung on her belt I thought it was double, when she turned it on, it looked too short to be double.
@@obi-wan-jacobi840 But not ONE planet was ever specified as *THE* sacred planet of the jedi, not even Ilum And if one planet had to be *THE* sacred planet of the sith, that should have been Korriban, that's literally where the original Sith race comes from, whom the Sith adopted the name from, not this planet JJ pulled out of nowhere cuz the plot needed it to be in the unknown regions
So on the lack of Force ghosts during the "Rise" scene, i think had they wanted to those voices would have manifested visually... but since the area was essentially a giant dark side nexus they probably wouldn't have been able to. So a disembodied voice was the best they could manage. Just my take on it.
I feel like rose was such an understated character in this movie, it didn’t feel right that she has a huge part in the last Jedi and only helped a bit in this movie
So much of this movie didn’t feel right because of the last Jedi. It was a thorn stuck into this trilogy that prevented it from being what it could have been
I 100% got the impression that Palpatine never actually died all the way and that he had probably held on to his last bit of life like Maul did. I definitely think he was in his original body, and that he was hooked up to all that machinery to keep him alive.
Jeff Moreland it makes sense that way. Force sensitivity is enough to break FO programming. It also adds to the idea that all beings have some Force sensitivity just not necessarily Jedi level.
I thought the same, except what are the odds that her entire group of troopers would all be force sensitive enough to resist and all be stationed together
Me, a random internet fan’s, answers to these questions (though of course no one knows for sure yet) - Spoilers obviously: 1.) I don’t think it is normally possible to resurrect with force heal, that strikes me as something only possible since the two were a Diad in the force and had such a strong connection. 2.) I got the sense that Palpatine’s body was actually very much dead and that we saw a sort of sith equivalent of a force ghost thanks to Plagues’ technique in which, instead of becoming a force ghost and one with the force as the Jedi do, the sith spirit remains present but confined to a dead body. 3.) I loved the Han scene. 4.) Guessing Ashoka is dead as well sadly. 5.) I agree, yellow just sort of separates her from the old Jedi order. 6) RIP Hux. I thought it was cool that he was the spy but I don’t know that there was much more to do with the character so I liked that he furthered Pryde’s story instead. 7) Force lightening was cool and a nice little foreboding to her heritage. 8) I mean Luke was a myth at that point so not sure it would have a huge effect but I’m sure he inspired some people, especially Rey which was obviously important. 9) I like Rey Skywalker, sort of continues the idea of being a ‘nobody’ in TLJ but in a different way, proving that your family heritage and past doesn’t matter and it is your choices that matter. 10) Seems like just a puppet. The Snoke in the vats were scarred exactly the same so yeah, just puppets. 11) Not sure about the people in the arena but I would have to guess that yes they’re either weird cultists who worship the sith or they’re actually spirits or something. I feel like the fleet is probably either first order soldiers or like an elite empire section that palpating took with him or something. 12) I think the fact that Palpatine killed himself technically and that the entire force of the Jedi was used against him stops the passing down of his spirit now and his body was also destroyed so his spirit doesn’t stay there. 13) Yeah Finn has the force, I think that is what he wanted to tell Rey. 14) Yeah Exegol was calling. 15) I mean the X-wing door isn’t a huge deal I guess, not really an explanation I can think of unless they just say the door isn’t actually an X wing but just some other scrap, maybe Luke had spares in the back. Would have liked a bit more care for the wider universe like comics and books but they are also all things that can quite easily be explained away or made to fit. 16) Got to say I would have adored at least Luke and Anakin to be next to Rey (and would have liked Ben Solo there too) at the end but I’m still very happy with the voices. 17) I don’t know that we can definitively say that there was absolutely no plan for the sequels, it felt like most of the main beats were there. Sure I would’ve like a bit more creative control and vision on those beats and the smaller plot points but I personally really loved this trilogy. I feel like this trilogy was all about forging your own destiny and not letting your bloodline or your past in general dominating who you are. 18) Yeah, I’m not one who thinks that absolutely everything needs to be explained in the film because some of it isn’t really necessary to the story being told. That said, in the novelisation and other mediums I would like some answers for how the Emporer survived for sure and for those gaps to be filled when there is more time to do so and for the more curious fans to get these answers. 19) Would love Luke and Leia training stuff more than anything. Hot take that I know can never happen but I’m stubbornly praying that Ben Solo just got yanked into the world between worlds without his clothes for some reason when he disappeared haha. 20) People will absolutely warm up to it. I personally loved it and I’m already seeing people warming up to it. Of course some people won’t and that’s fine, you like what you like, but I think when the shock dies down people will warm to it at least a bit!
could the yellow saber relate to the temple guards as in she is the guardian of the sacred texts? also, really wish Ben and Anakin had been with the force ghosts of leia and luke at the end
Yeah I thought that as well, and furthermore the guardian/keeper of the whole Jedi order. It's the same reason I chose yellow for Cal in Fallen Order. Don't know why they thought it was orange or gold.
34:00 As much as I wanted to see a whole mess of Force Ghosts, I have to ask: Then what? There's a few scenarios I can envision. 1.) Would you really be okay with them trying to fight Palpatine, while he just lightning zaps them? If he does lightning zap them, what happens? Can you hurt a Force Ghost? Do they have Force Ghost Lightsabers? What can THOSE do? It would open a huge can of worms, and basically end up being a bunch of ghosts killing Palpatine FOR Rey, instead of her doing it. 2.) They'd just stand behind her, and be present like at the end of Harry Potter. That would have been boring. 3.) They'd all lay hands on her, which would be a weird crowded thing, but it's my favorite idea. She's getting zapped, Luke, Leia, and Ben's ghosts put their hands on her shoulders, Then Anakin and Yoda and Obi-Wan join in, then Qui-Gon, and some others we recognize, including Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra, then more and more. I'm imagining a great overhead shot of lightning coming in at one end, and a fan of Force Ghosts spreading out behind Rey. (Visually, the scene would almost look a little like the Holdo Maneuver, with the streak and the debris spreading out.) But this is the problem with Star Wars. It's been a problem since really, 1980, but even moreso in 1999. We all had headcanon as soon as we left the theater about the Clone Wars, or if Luke and Leia got together, or if Han and Chewie were going to stick around. In 1999, we all had expectations of what the prequels were going to be. We had 20 years of built up EU and imaginations of the First 3 Episodes. And people shat all over the prequels, and now all over the sequels, because what we imagine is so ingrained that we only see what WE WANT the movies to be, and when we don't get it, we don't like it. And then we start picking it apart immediately, rather than enjoying it for a couple hours.
I LOVED the Han scene with Ben, but I also think it couldhave been cool if Kylo had walked through the wreckage of the Death Star and had visions/convos with Luke, Anakin, & then Han. Sort of in a anti degobah cave type of thing if you will.
I enjoyed the movie. It had flaws, but I was entertained. The only thing that bothers me is that when Disney wiped the EU out, they said ALL content from then on was going to be consistent with the development of the Story Group overseeing all canon throughout the media. It seems JJ threw that out the window and it's a shame, because up to this movie, it seemed like the SW universe was at least lore consistent. Now it's going to take a bunch of hand waving and spin to correct the lore Ep9.
What a lot of people are not considering is the whole “unanswered questions” aspect has been done before...during the original trilogy, we got no answers as to who this Emperor really was and how he came into power. No explanation as to what happened during the Clone War nor how Luke and Leia were split up or even how Vader was the father. We were told things in each film and had to wait years and be exposed to numerous explanations be fleshed out...that is what Star Wars is about! It will never be something you watch once or twice and have all your answers. It has lasted 40+ years because people need to dissect and dive into the lore over and over!!
That's totally true! I wonder if some confusion comes from the fact that we have had 40+ years of legends and current canon and we have questions from TROS but we just have to wait.
Palpatine wasn't slain by Rey. This time his own Force Lightning killes him preventing him from using Rey as a Dark Side Vessel. That's my take on Palpatines resurrection not working again
Max Davies Good thought! Rey also had the help of all the force ghosts, so maybe they were making a more concerted effort to destroy his spirit, as opposed to Vader who just chucked him off a cliff.
Agreed, I think this was meant to be a permanent, on-screen death for the Sith, and it feels like a more real end to a war that’s been happening for thousands of years.
Ben/Kylo had to die. Imagine this: "In other news, Ben Solo, also known as 'Kylo Ren,' was indicted on 50 billion counts of murder today. Corellian Superior Court Judge Slom Rendaar made the following comments to the former Supreme Leader during his arraignment hearing this morning...."
Have Ben go into exile like his namesake did. Maybe he decides to scour the unknown regions wiping out the remnants of the Sith Eternal. That would bring his story a nice parallel - he tried to be like Vader, ended up like Obi-Wan. He started the film's wanting to hunt the last Jedi down, now he wants to hunt down the Sith.
Yeah but even though he led the First Order for a year, as his lawyer I think I could bargain that down to 49,992,381,044 counts of ACCOMPLICE to murder. The rest would have to be war crimes, plus 1 count of patricide.
Tom N 1. You don’t know that. At all. It’s an area of the SW universe almost wholly unexplored. 2. No shit. It was a joke. Have you ever laughed before? Come on.
I'm not a big fan of "The Last Jedi" for various reasons, but one thing I REALLY LIKED about it was the revelation that Rey's parents were nobodies, and maybe even just drunk jerks who sold her off for drinking money. I loved the idea that it wasn't her bloodline that mattered. I don't hate "The Rise of Skywalker," but I do dislike that Abrams backpedaled on that idea hard.
menamgamg that’s already a thing. There were like 10,000 Jedi before Order 66. Yoda. Mace Windu who beat Palpatine before Anakin showed up. Their whole plot point of “anyone can be a Jedi or a force user” is already established and seen in the movies. It’s always felt pointless to me to hammer that home at the cost of these characters and their stories.
This was the Skywalker saga. I dont understand people's grips that lineage was special in this ONE family. Literally every other Jedi not named Skywalker was a nobody. In your opinion, which isnt wrong or right, the last trilogy of the three should have a protagonist not named or related to Skywalker even though the previous two did. Sure, the message would be everyone is special but it doesn't work as a Skywalker saga.
Just in the sense that in the films they both didn’t use the force physically, but they were able to sense when their friends (or brother in Leia’s case) were in danger.
@@tomn6800 force sensitivity is random although at higher likelihood in descendants. as the movie shows palpatines son was not force sensetive and thus he didnt care for him. her daughter however exhibited strong force sensetivity despite both mother and father not being force sensetive.
Remember when in end of The Last Jedi, Luke echoes Kenobi and says that if you strike me down, I’ll always will be with you, JUST LIKE YOUR FATHER. Apparently Ben Solo has been haunted by the memory of his father prior to The Rise of Skywalker. That scene with Han was exactly what I needed.
Palpatine did say that he had died before. I think that once he “died” his body was returned to him and his soul is just living in his rotting corpse, and then of course with the soul sucking he reverted back to how he was in like ROTS.
I remember reading somewhere around Carrie Fisher’s death that Leila’s future storyline involved a key confrontation with Kylo. I imagine that was passed to Han.
I mean, we haven’t seen Ahsoka in the “Search for Ezra” series that is going to eventually happen. There’s so much post-Return of the Jedi able to be told.
The initial scene where Palps meets Kylo and you see all of those vats reminded me a lot of Plaguies laboratory in the Plaguies Novel. Do you think Palpatine uses his old masters teachings to somehow keep himself alive after RotJ?
I think palpatine stayed alive the same way anakin/darth vader stayed alive for so long without medical attention after the battle against obi wan on mustafa - fueled by hatred
Alex, you are caught up on Rey being a nobody and that "anyone can do anything, it doesn't matter where they come from" Well, this movie gives the message of "you can do anything, it doesnt matter where you come from" too Rey was related to the most evil man in the galaxy yet she still chose to be good. lineage does not matter.
This is exactly my thought too. A person's background doesn't matter. Their choices do. And the idea that a nobody can also be force sensitive is also still true, since Finn is force sensitive.
5:50 Ok Here's how this should have went down. ITS THE EXACT SAME SCENE, only after he talks to Han and then throws his Saber in the water, when he turns around it's Hayden Christian Force Ghost and he just gives him a smile nod of approval. And thats the scene. And its like he had his fathers Love, and now he has the respect of the guy he was wanting respect from this whole time. His real Grandfather.
I liked The rise of skywalker movie but it also made me sad to see that Carrie Fisher was cut short due to her death, it brought up my sadness for her too early death. May she rest in peace.
You two should’ve watched it twice back to back before talking about it. I’ve seen it 4 times and it gets better each time. You should make another 2nd viewing review ASAP. My 72 year old parents think it’s the best STAR WARS film yet. Happy Holidays, great review & May the force be with you.
I’m 36 years old & I would play with my figures acting out what happened after ROTJ in my head. Now I get to watch something that I never thought I would see. Sorry you didn’t like it.
About halfway through the video, and I really enjoy (both of) your analysis. The fandom has been a little rough to take over the past couple years, so to have you guys analyze things as I would - take the good and the bad and just either say "I liked that, I didn't like that, etc" is so refreshing. So, thanks for all of your videos, I'm a happy new subscriber. As for my thoughts on TROS, I enjoyed almost everything (and I enjoy it more the more I think about it), but I think a lot of what's talked about here - and a lot of what's been talked about since TFA came out - hasn't been touched on in *any* sort of media because of the secrecy behind the films. Like, normally we'd get a comic book, game, novel, SOMETHING to explain why something happened, why someone didn't do what they thought they would, or whatever... but to keep things close to their chest, Disney (I think rightfully) decided to wait. Of course, now the naysayers will say things like "oh of course, they're trying to retcon things by explaining this and that" or whatever, but that's the kind of thing I've always loved about Star Wars. I'm looking forward to the future, to say the least! Anyway, carry on. Thanks for the videos!
I actually loved TROS. While the story definitely had some flaws, I felt the overall viewing experience was a blast. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it again.
C3PO stole the first hour of the movie. I loved when he turned around after everyone looked at him and when R2 wanted to fix memories.. the sudden cut after 3PO refused was really funny to me.
QnA: haven't seen this asked, but Kylo uses what looks like an Imperial TIE left over from the wreckage to follow Rey at the end. So that shouldn't have had a hyperdrive right?
Anakin was nowhere near Padme when she was dying so he never had the opportunity to attempt it. Even if he was, she didn't want to live with the way he had become.
Exactly. We don't even know if sith can use force heal it if Anakin was willing to die to save her. I doubt he could do either. Rey could know it because she learned it through the Jedi texts, but pretty sure Anakin hadn't seen it done
The best part is we’re now probably going to get a YA Palpatine romance novel... and will be every bit as romantic and healthy as you’d expect 50 shades of Palpatine would be.
I think Rey's saber is Yellow for Healing as was the theme she acquired throughout the movie. (And yes it's Yellow just shown with orange highlights to be seen better in a movie)
I absolutely loved this movie! For me though nothing will top The Last Jedi, which I know is quite an unpopular opinion. The only part of The Rise Of Skywalker that I don't particularly like is the fact that they killed off Ben, I was/still low key am a major Reylo shipper. I feel like the pair could have accomplished so much if they were to have been able to continue a path together. However I still have a huge admiration for the movie and all who have put their heart and soul into making it ❤️
Perhaps when First Order troopers are “sent for reconditioning” they’re actually sent to the Final Order and brainwashed into Sith troopers, almost like inquisitors are tortured / turned padawans and Jedi etc.
Most casual fans (like my sisters/mom, uncle, neighbor, and soccer coach) LOVE this movie because they enjoyed it while watching it in the theater and don’t think about it anymore after our post movie dinner
I just did some digging on IMDB and none of the lucasfilm story group members (that I know of) got a credit on their profile for TROS. I checked Pablo, Matt, Leland, Kiri, Rayne and Carrie. Most of them had multiple sw movies listed under along with shows or JFO but none of them had TROS in their profiles. odd
I always thought that the ol’ vat of Snokes was a series of failed attempts to give Palpatine new bodies, and he gave up on that project to try his plan in Rise of Skywalker.
About the Force Ghost, I wonder if one of the rules is you can only see the one you've met before they died and turn to be force ghosts. Like Luke saw Anakin, Yoda, Obi-wan in ROTJ because he met them before dead. If my theory is right then it makes sense that Anakin's physical ghost is not in this movie because Rey never met Anakin before (although I wish to see Anakin at least). If that's true, I think they should at least include Ben's force ghost in the last scene. What do you guys think?
About the "be with me" and "i am all the jedi" stuff, I think it's less literral than just her connecting straight to the cosmic force, where all those dead people would go once they die. Hence the shot of her looking through the ships, the sky and straight to the stars.
I think that Rey taking Skywalker's name at the end is not simply her wanting to claim a new name for herself, she also has Ben's life force living in her now. So she actually does have some Skywalker in her.
What do you think is implied when Lando tells Jannah “let’s find out together” after she tells him that she doesn’t know who her family is? Is it insinuating that Lando is her father and is just not telling her for unknown reasons, or that they’re going to go on some wild adventure following the Rise of Skywalker?
peskyseagull how Lando said that to her was just so disgusting. Like it seemed so seductive and sexual, but he’s a very old man and Jannah’s a very young woman and ugh
Felt like a cut subplot. The leaks that got everything else right mentioned that Jannah was supposed to be Lando's daughter and was taken from him as child by the First Order which could've been the reason why Lando gave up piloting.
Also, the story group definitely doesn't seem to have much control over the filmmakers. Poe's story in tlj was also copied in the comics, and both versions of that one story seem to have been ignored for tros too. Which is very disappointing, but isn't unique to either film at this point.
From what I understand, the story group has been largely dismantled. And, was 100% NOT INVOLVED in this movie. After TLJ, Bob Iger and KK were not happy with the story group.
@@CoastalEddieinflames but also considering things were already being copied in TLJ it'd pretty weird if they were only disassembled that recently. Really disappointing. I don't usually go in for negativity about star wars but eckhartsladder has some really blatant examples of them not being used
Do you think Thrawn could have replaced the role of Pride? I enjoyed the character but it really just made me think about Thrawn the whole time. Hopefully now that 9 is out we'll learn about Thrawn and Ezra I just hope Thrawn's story has a satisfying end and isn't just manipulated to "fit" within all the other stories surrounding it.
2:41 Robot Chicken Palpatine: You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently.
24:29 well I interpreted it differently. Palpatine wanted to carry his spirit through Rey so here’s what I think. A Sith master’s end goal is to be slain by their apprentice so in a way they can line forever. Palpatine himself didn’t die, but all the Sith masters before him did, in this way Plagueis did survive in a way. It’s why Palpatine is the only character seemingly incapable of redemption, it’s because he’s part himself and part the culmination of all the hateful, vengeful, broken, prideful, fearful Sith that came before him. That’s what he means by “I’ve died before”, the last time this Sith master died was when Palpatine killed Plagueis
18:22 At that scene when the old woman asks Rey her name I just whispered "Say it!" And my friend next to me said it as well and we got this great back and fourth chant of us just alternating "Say it!" Until she did.
I just finally went and watched The Rise of Skywalker for the first time and I don't understand what all the fuss is about! It's definitely not a perfect Star Wars movie, but it's far better than some. And hardly worth the vitriolic HATE I've been seeing lately from some people, in some places. I give it a B+, (80%) overall. 👍
TWSTF 8 its cause the majority of people hating on it get their opinions from youtube “reviewers” who hate on the sequels for profit (Not saying ALL of them btw, many make good arguments)
Mollie I think you touched on something, you said you heard Rey’s fingers crackling after using force lighting this could be why Palpatine had no finger tips. Using so much force lighting caused physical damage to himself. Also thinking back when Vader tosses Palpatine down the tube and there’s this scream and blue light effect that emerges up the tube could of been Palpatine transporting him to his final location
So here's my idea for Palpatine surviving: He had the holocron/pathfinder in his secret chamber on the Death Star which shows the way to Exegol. Throughout The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker we see Rey and Ren "Force Teleport" objects, from rain drops to chains to whole lightsabers. Now this was most likely due to their strange connection which according to Palpatine was very rare. What if Sidious had learnt the same or a similar power, too, and what we see at the end of Return of the Jedi is actually not him dying but Force Blasting himself to Exegol. Might have taken a toll, leaving him near death or turning him into a zombie or something.
i think he force-hopped his spirit into Vader's mask or body like Lord Momin in the recent Vader comics... explains how palps could easily fool kylo since kylo had vaders mask and thought he could commune with it
@@CeedeeableOne if maul and anakin can survive their injuries and leia can fly in space, then is it really hard to believe the most powerful and evil wizard couldn't use a force shield or something to protect himself?
@@originalSiiiN I never said anything about force shields.Sure, there might be other ways of survival. If your theory were true, that shield would have withstood the fall into the reactor core and the subsequent explosion of the entire Death Star. Which makes Palps far too OP than he already is anyway.
i like the way they explain Palpatine's return with "the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider do be unnatural" just as that, it sounds just rushed, but it's not all that bad, mantain the mistery and the simbolic figure of the devil and the dark side, the rest is speculation
After watching all three episodes and especially this last one, I feel that one of the major points of this trilogy was to show us Leia's importance in defeating Palpatine. The OT showed us Luke's journey, but always left me wondering why Leia never seemed as important to defeating Palpatine as Luke did. Anakin had twins, and Rey was able to defeat Palpatine only with the help from both Luke and Leia, adding Leia's lightsaber to the final battle really stressed that point in my opinion. Now I feel as though seeing the twins born at the end of Revenge is more impactful because I now know it'll take just as much effort in the force from both of them to defeat Palpatine.
can you please make a video explaining when/more about who palpatines child or children were, I just don’t understand when he had the time to have kids, also who he had kids with if he even did have kids with ANYONE
Some questions I have are: What happened to Norra Wexley/Antilles since Wedge was there? What happened to the rest of black squadron (especially kare since snap died)? What happened to the leadership from Resistance Reborn (general Rieeken, Ransolm Casterfo, etc.)? Why was Maz there, I thought she said she wouldn't join the Resistance in Resistance Reborn? Why was R2 flying with Poe, rather than BB-8? Did Gallius Rax destroy the empire for no reason if Palpatine was alive? Also do you think project luminous (whatever it is) could explain some of these new ideas about the force?
In hindsight, Resistance Reborn had nothing to do with The Rise of Skywalker. Maz Kanata refuses to join the Resistance in the novel, and is suddenly part of the Resistance in the movie. In The Last Jedi, the Resistance sends out a distress signal and no one responds. The movie suggests that it's because people don't care enough to join the fight, while RR retcons this by revealing that the First Order was rounding up and labelling "subversives" that would've joined if not for them being arrested. TROS ignores this. Poe references the Crait distress signal as if RR never happened.
@@andrewxu3602 Everyone had about 15 minutes to respond to the "Crait distress signal" before the New Order hit the planet. And this was a few days after the center of the New Republic government and most of the Navy was destroyed. It takes a little longer to get people to react after 25+ years of relative peace and active demilitarization.
I thought the message of this trilogy was going to be about how our past does not define us and we can always go back to the bright side of the force by learning from the mistakes we made, through the story of ben solo. But in killing him, it seems that the deaths of han, luke, and Leia did nothing but allow rey to come back to life. And for me, though rey has found a new family, no one understands the traumas of her past and knows her completely, only ben. That is why they had such a strong bond and although in many ways they were opposites, that would be what was going to bring balance to the force. So for me this movie though it was fantastic in many ways failed in the end to not complete the message of hope that was being told throughout the saga. Even though the sacrifice was a beautiful and tragic gesture of love and redemption, I wish the triology had a happy ending for the last skywalker. Ben really deserved happiness with rey :(
I think relationship between Directors and the Story is pretty simple. If you direct one of the Trilogy movie you do whatever the hell you want and they get to figure out how they're gonna explain that in another medium. And if you direct a spin-off movie you do what you want as long as the story group green lits it.
I don't think it made that much sense still considering the entire hosnian system was destroyed in TFA and then in TLJ literally no one came to help them
My interpretation of the Emporer in RoS, is that the person's we know as "Palpatine" was a clone or extension of the true Darth Sideous who has been on Exigol the entire time. "Palpatine" didn't survive the 2nd Death Star. Darth Sideous says he has died many times (ie he's avatars / clones have died)
Every Star Wars movie has a certain amount of what I call "goofy Star Wars bullsh*t" that makes no sense. Everybody who enjoys Star Wars is able to tolerate these things to some greater or lesser degree. I enjoyed this film but JJ was really pushing it this time.
Honestly I'm finding this film to be Star Wars-y AF!! 🤘😜 Just seen it for the fifth time and I'm really, really enjoying it. Adam Driver is a BEAST and with repeated viewings I'm no longer so overwhelmed by some of the more spectacular action sequences that I can't follow the quieter narrative sections with ease. There are references to not only the other saga films but to ancillary and even EU materials which is AWESOME. You can see JJ trying to please absolutely everybody in this which pulls you out sometimes but overall I've been thoroughly entertained 😁👍
Thanks guys, I enjoyed the discussion. Is Ben Solo really dead? We didn't see him take his place with his mother and uncle at the end. I wish we had gotten to truly see Ben Solo's personality, what should have been a strong contrast to Kylo, via a few lines of dialogue. I would have loved to have seen him be a combination of Han's cocky scoundrel and Leia's steadfast determination.
did you see Kylo stop hux from talking by showing him the index finger exactly like han did to c3po?. i liked that touch, it made me feel like despite beeing kylo ren there is still a bit of his father in him.
Alex: *wears normal clothes*
Mollie: I find your lack of festivity disturbing
The best part is that one of my coworkers has a darth vader Christmas sweater that says that
Alex is like the crew of the Millennium Falcon amidst the festivities of Passana.
Like you said about a new generation who will champion this movie, there was a kid sitting in front of me when I saw it this morning who was absolutely loving it, and getting hyped with all the big moments. That's what Star Wars is about, was awesome to see.
he should watch episode 3 a few times
I would of loved all the mindless action as a kid
Tell that to this haters from hell!
This is the essence of Star Wars and it is beautiful to see! Star Wars is for all the kids and for the kid inside of us.
That's what it's all about. The movies to capture the wild imagination of the youth, the animated series to dive a bit deeper and then live action series like The Mandalorian for folks that are a bit older and then some cross-sections between all. And that's just on-screen 😊
yeah but then they would say something like the OT sucks because it's old with lame puppets and fake special effects... i have legit heard crap like that from teenagers..
Pryde killing Hux instantly like that and telling crew member to contact Palps to tell him that he had found the spy really showed Pryde as hardcore old school Imperial and was great scene
Agree, also we all knew Hux had to die, at least the way in which he died was unexpected
I assume the “Allegiant” somehow implies his deep allegiance (to Palpatine).
Also it's a sign that he's learned from the failures of the empire. They had a huge number of spies and traitors towards the end of the last war, so he knows that decisive action needs to be taken immediately.
@@Seeriosa After reading the Hux comic I was really disappointed by that scene. I reminded me of the Phasma treatment, a character that was really interesting in books/comics but then is just thrown away in the movies. Hux at least had some good scenes in the other movies I suppose.
Brondol Hux is disappointed:(
Just one thing on the Rey Skywalker name. Rey died and Ben transferred his force life into her. So she kind of now is a Skywalker. The two becomes one. Maybe that is what they were going for...
Please...
@@MrJole777 Just an opinion. Relax.
@@BTigs I am but it sounds stupid
@@BTigs people aren't going to relax unfortunately with this stuff. Cool theory though.
God , starwars what they have done to you !
You said it yourself, Molly. Palpatine is a zombie. He's dead. Anakin killed him. He only comes back to life when he takes the life force of Rey and Ben.
The Sith line always passes from master to apprentice, but Anakin screwed that up for them, so the Sith Spirit had to resort to possessing the corpse of Palpatine.
I love this explanation, because it's consistent visually as well as allows Anakin to have brought balance to the Force. He DID destroy the Sith. And by visually, I mean that Palpatine looked markedly different, he was decomposing and had blue lips.
I actually really like this theory and hope this gets confirmed. It would also make sure Palpatine stays dead leaving room for new Sith to show up
@@NerdBoiRyan Exactly! It maintains Anakin's sacrifice, while expanding on Force lore in a neat way.
D C agreed. I kinda also like when some questions aren’t answered because cool theory’s like your own get created and you can imagine what ever you want
Now THIS is a good theory!
That might work. I felt palpatine was very unnecessary.
Rey is Granddaughter to His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Palpatine the Great.
That would make Rey a Crown Princess.
Rey is a Disney Princess.
I hate this
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Oh... OOOOH
She's a Disney Empress actually
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I'd like to believe that Rey has a yellow saber to symbolize that she is a new guardian of the Jedi - as the Jedi temple guards also had yellow lightsabers
Yup it seemed like that was the intention. Not sure how they thought it looked any different from any other yellow saber we've seen before. It even looked like it was double sided just like the temple guard sabers as well.
Victor Serve Yes. definitely.
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For me its orange and Not yellow
In Jedi Fallen Order that was my inspiration for giving Cal a yellow lightsaber.
I love the movie so this isn't a criticism, but I don't think working with the story group should be optional. They're supposed to be protectors of the canon. They're there to make sure everything makes sense. The whole purpose of them is to prevent any new canon Star Wars stories that contradict something already established in canon. It shouldn't be up to the creator to decide if they want to adhere to the canon or not.
Totally agree and the problem I have with the Legends material. So many contradictions. Heck the prequels themselves wiped out half the stuff that had been written in books.
I think the story group was always going run into this issue. Similar to the Legends/old EU, where the films were the top level and everything else fell into supplementary tiers of legitimacy. It was only a matter of time before a filmmaker stepped in and decided something was wholly different than things previously established and the story group is going to have to patch things up to make everything fit. I'm just surprised it seems to have stumbled into this sort of situation as quickly as it has
Of course, this would be easier to manage, if they set any following films in the distant future or past from the current(prequel and sequel inclusive) era, so they have a lot more room to do whatever they want
@@gary24fan there were contradictions but they already addressed those contradictions through sourcebooks that Hidalgo made years prior to the Disney acquisition.
@@GrandMastaKiwi Well my bookshelf is only so big.
i wasnt aware its optional, what did you see that makes you think it breaks continuity or canon (i reckon other than the blatant attempt to retcon TLJ in some weird fan service)
Prequel Trilogy : Story of how when we try to undo our fates, we instead rush them and give ourselves an even more horrible gate.
Original Trilogy: classic tale of good vs evil with a character who always thought themselves as nothing becoming one of the most important people in the Galaxy.
Sequel Trilogy: Story of how our legacy and families don't define us and how Instead it's on us on how we're gonna define ourselves.
There's no message with this trilogy buddy
James Cole not really as Rey dismisses her heritage. She chooses who she is and what she wants to be, she isn’t the hero because she’s a Palpatine. She’s the hero because of who she is.
@@gavinallerton3414 Yeah I agree. Maybe the Palpatine Reveal changes the one in TLJ a bit, but that doesn't necessarily affect the message of these movies. Rey's past doesn't decide her future. She does. Her Family being connected to the dark side doesn't have to mean she doesn't have a choice. Especially in TRoS, she has actual character flaws and doesn't believe in herself. I can understand why people don't like the issues in the ST, but you can't just be so ignorant that you don't even want to acknowledge any good is in them just because you want to hate them so badly. I'm talking about people like ShakenMike, because someone literally told them what they need to hear to not hate every aspect of the ST, and he just ignored it. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have their opinions, but being ignorant doesn't make anyone look better.
@@Shakenmike117 I'm sorry but you must suck at literature and film studies when you say something as stupid as that.
Very cool take. I agree. I wish we could’ve seen a sequel trilogy that was more focused. RJ kinda convoluted things
Palpatine should have gone to Kamino to get a quality puppet made. These Kaminoans are cloners...damn good ones too!
I am really curious as to how Kamino's doing nowadays, like did they have an uprising like Legends or did they just take their check and retire?
Yeah but it would all depends on his manners and how big his pocket book is 😎👍
Yeah, Palpatine probably never paid them back for the clones.
@@Apidooom Pretty sure they where all killed.
This is the way
The sequel trilogy in my mind is about those who learn the wrong lessons from history are doomed to repeat them. There are two sides in these movies. One is kylo who says burn the past and forget it to start over. Rey looks at the past through Luke, han, and Leia to learn from them for answers to the future. This is also evident in Poe and Lando. Asking how did they defeat an empire. This is a good example of history in general. When people don’t learn from others mistakes then history repeats itself.
Alec Bugaj dude that is an awesome outlook. I’m using that in all my convos with friends
I agree. The sequel trilogy is about responsibility over the actions that previous generations did. If you forget your back in the same pickle,
I never thought of it that way. Thanks for the thought!!
"We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." - VS - "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."
Another reason to make the sequel trilogy amazing movies :D
I feel like with the sequel trilogy is all about family. Rey has to deal with abandonment (ep.7) and then realizing she might be nobody (ep 8) before realizing it's actually much worse (ep.9) and resolving it by realizing family is more than blood relations. Kylo has to deal with rejecting his family (ep.7/8) to rejoining them and reaccepting the solo name. I really dug this trilogy and I hope time helps its popularity like the prequels.
NGM Movies I feel like STAR WARS is about family and this trilogy just builds on that well.
Tbh I feel like episode 7 was bad episode 8 was OK and episode 9 was amazing
The entire saga is about family.
@@TOG285 Neat perspective
Ben having that internal conversation with Han does make a lot of sense, and that conversation giving him closure and strength to redeem himself. Thanks!
Thank you for continuing to be one of the most down to earth channels on the platform.
On Palpatine, I get the impression it's a bit like Sauron in the Lord of the Rings. He was defeated at first but his spirit endured. Later he returns in a new form, and in Palpatine's case actually succeeds in renewing his physical form to how it used it be.
One Sith to rule them all.
No one is questioning that explanation, everyone is questioning *how.* Sith have already been shown unable to live on as force ghosts through the living force, tying their body to a physical object (Vader came across an object like this and dealt with an older with lord).
@@HeyyItsDaleVODS I think it's simply Palpatine's spirit clung onto whatever life he had left through pure malice and hatred, a little like how Maul survives being cut in half.
The Sith acolytes/cultists on Exegol then probably brought him back through a combination of ritualistic Sith sorcery and cloning a new body for him.
This will probably all be explained in the expanded universe. Even if we might be disappointed it wasn't in the film, I know I'm excited for it to be delved into in the books/comics etc.
Honestly Exegol did give me some Mordor/Isengard vibes. I call it "Darthanc"
"Barad Darth"
The Wedge cameo was too short.
He should have reached to Snap's moment
That scene alone make me happier than the Harry Potter fight at the end.
I thought he was Anthony Daniels. lol
He should at leas be side by side with Snaps!! Even though it would be more painful!!!
No You It would have been cool to see him at the celebration too.
I don't think he has been talking to his Grandfather as Darth Vader or as Anakin, he's been talking to Palpatine pretending to be his Grandfather. Palpatine says, "I have been every voice you have ever heard" or something like that.
Also, this isn't Han's ghost coming to see him, it was Ben remembering his father. He says, "you're just a memory" so it was all in his mind - and he has no memory of his grandfather.
Agree on both points. It was kind of obvious that Ben was never talking to Vader since Anakin 'killed' Vader at the end of ROTJ. I figured it was Snoke manipulating Ben all along. Instead it was Palpatine. Now I'm wondering if that was Abrams' plan all along or if Johnson yanked out the rug by killing Snoke and Palpatine was a fallback.
*You know a movie is complete SHIT when some people have to invest themselves in damage control and explanations to major plot holes and things that make no sense*
And you know some people have no lives when they go on RUclips comment forums to complain about other people discussing so-called "shit." 😄
@@adrianc3932 You know you're an idiot when you're one of the only people who didn't understand this movie
This is why is love you guys. Always just present what’s known and give educated responses.
Rise is flawed but it’s now a part of the lore so why not just discuss it as adults and enjoy what we love about this ever growing world.
Seeing molly in a Santa hat made my day
Seeing the two of them together always warms my heart
Yeah I love the outfit. Merry Christmas to everyone here.
Rey's saber also seemed to be double bladed, like her staff, and made from it as well. At least that's what I got from what I could see when it was on her waist.
I thought the same thing, I expected to see one side light, and then a surprise of the other
It seemed short to be double sided tho doesn’t it? I gotta watch the movie again.
There were some in legends that looks a lot like they hilt with two places designed to be used one handed...when it hung on her belt I thought it was double, when she turned it on, it looked too short to be double.
How long was the lightsaber handle?
Theory: Palpatine’s DNA is corrupted and mutated by the dark side and when he attempts to clone himself he gets Snoke-like mutants, mostly unviable.
Yeah I’m pretty sure that snoke was a palpatine clone
Hexagol: I'm the sacred planet of the sith
Korriban: Am I a joke to you?
Zoist and Droumand kaas: what about us?
Rivalry is the way of the Sith...
The Jedi have multiple sacred locations. Why not the Sith?
@@obi-wan-jacobi840 But not ONE planet was ever specified as *THE* sacred planet of the jedi, not even Ilum
And if one planet had to be *THE* sacred planet of the sith, that should have been Korriban, that's literally where the original Sith race comes from, whom the Sith adopted the name from, not this planet JJ pulled out of nowhere cuz the plot needed it to be in the unknown regions
Hanki All That Stufe is not canon anymore
So on the lack of Force ghosts during the "Rise" scene, i think had they wanted to those voices would have manifested visually... but since the area was essentially a giant dark side nexus they probably wouldn't have been able to. So a disembodied voice was the best they could manage. Just my take on it.
Don't underestimate the Power of the Plot, if they wanted Light Side Force Ghosts in a Dark Side Nexus they would have had light side Force ghosts
I feel like rose was such an understated character in this movie, it didn’t feel right that she has a huge part in the last Jedi and only helped a bit in this movie
So much of this movie didn’t feel right because of the last Jedi. It was a thorn stuck into this trilogy that prevented it from being what it could have been
Commander Geeo well let’s remember what happened to jar jar
Rose being sidelined was lame. JJ is awful.
I loved TLJ
I’m very glad they de-emphasized rose.
She was fine, she did work. The core crew really didn’t need her.
They eat pickled Snokes
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I 100% got the impression that Palpatine never actually died all the way and that he had probably held on to his last bit of life like Maul did. I definitely think he was in his original body, and that he was hooked up to all that machinery to keep him alive.
I took the "instinct" conversation with Finn and Jannah as a hint that their whole group were force sensitive.
Jeff Moreland it makes sense that way. Force sensitivity is enough to break FO programming. It also adds to the idea that all beings have some Force sensitivity just not necessarily Jedi level.
I thought the same, except what are the odds that her entire group of troopers would all be force sensitive enough to resist and all be stationed together
@@JasonGroom I did think it sounded really convenient there was a whole squad of troops
Me, a random internet fan’s, answers to these questions (though of course no one knows for sure yet) - Spoilers obviously:
1.) I don’t think it is normally possible to resurrect with force heal, that strikes me as something only possible since the two were a Diad in the force and had such a strong connection.
2.) I got the sense that Palpatine’s body was actually very much dead and that we saw a sort of sith equivalent of a force ghost thanks to Plagues’ technique in which, instead of becoming a force ghost and one with the force as the Jedi do, the sith spirit remains present but confined to a dead body.
3.) I loved the Han scene.
4.) Guessing Ashoka is dead as well sadly.
5.) I agree, yellow just sort of separates her from the old Jedi order.
6) RIP Hux. I thought it was cool that he was the spy but I don’t know that there was much more to do with the character so I liked that he furthered Pryde’s story instead.
7) Force lightening was cool and a nice little foreboding to her heritage.
8) I mean Luke was a myth at that point so not sure it would have a huge effect but I’m sure he inspired some people, especially Rey which was obviously important.
9) I like Rey Skywalker, sort of continues the idea of being a ‘nobody’ in TLJ but in a different way, proving that your family heritage and past doesn’t matter and it is your choices that matter.
10) Seems like just a puppet. The Snoke in the vats were scarred exactly the same so yeah, just puppets.
11) Not sure about the people in the arena but I would have to guess that yes they’re either weird cultists who worship the sith or they’re actually spirits or something. I feel like the fleet is probably either first order soldiers or like an elite empire section that palpating took with him or something.
12) I think the fact that Palpatine killed himself technically and that the entire force of the Jedi was used against him stops the passing down of his spirit now and his body was also destroyed so his spirit doesn’t stay there.
13) Yeah Finn has the force, I think that is what he wanted to tell Rey.
14) Yeah Exegol was calling.
15) I mean the X-wing door isn’t a huge deal I guess, not really an explanation I can think of unless they just say the door isn’t actually an X wing but just some other scrap, maybe Luke had spares in the back. Would have liked a bit more care for the wider universe like comics and books but they are also all things that can quite easily be explained away or made to fit.
16) Got to say I would have adored at least Luke and Anakin to be next to Rey (and would have liked Ben Solo there too) at the end but I’m still very happy with the voices.
17) I don’t know that we can definitively say that there was absolutely no plan for the sequels, it felt like most of the main beats were there. Sure I would’ve like a bit more creative control and vision on those beats and the smaller plot points but I personally really loved this trilogy. I feel like this trilogy was all about forging your own destiny and not letting your bloodline or your past in general dominating who you are.
18) Yeah, I’m not one who thinks that absolutely everything needs to be explained in the film because some of it isn’t really necessary to the story being told. That said, in the novelisation and other mediums I would like some answers for how the Emporer survived for sure and for those gaps to be filled when there is more time to do so and for the more curious fans to get these answers.
19) Would love Luke and Leia training stuff more than anything. Hot take that I know can never happen but I’m stubbornly praying that Ben Solo just got yanked into the world between worlds without his clothes for some reason when he disappeared haha.
20) People will absolutely warm up to it. I personally loved it and I’m already seeing people warming up to it. Of course some people won’t and that’s fine, you like what you like, but I think when the shock dies down people will warm to it at least a bit!
I agree with all 20 points!👍🏻
This exactly mirrors my same thoughts. Thank you so much for putting them into words
Thanks for this comment, i thought i was the only one who loved this movie.
For me I liked it way more the first viewing, this is definitely one of the worst SW films.
I kinda got the feeling that Palpatine looked like a reanimated corpse.
could the yellow saber relate to the temple guards as in she is the guardian of the sacred texts?
also, really wish Ben and Anakin had been with the force ghosts of leia and luke at the end
Yeah I thought that as well, and furthermore the guardian/keeper of the whole Jedi order. It's the same reason I chose yellow for Cal in Fallen Order. Don't know why they thought it was orange or gold.
Like I sad to another person. Her lightsaber is orange and Not yellow
@@skyloren2187 Close enough.
Its yellow
GL CAN FORCE JJ TO ADD THEM IN THE SPECIAL EDITIONS but it might take a decade or two...
“Dad?”
“I know”
that was perfect
Because as we know there are no more original lines. The only way I feel any emotion is to directly connect it to the Original Trilogy. Lame scene
Tristan Mayer as if literally any other star wars media didnt do the same lol
Tristan Mayer its called “prequel” and “sequel” for a reason... at some point they need to allude to the OT
Cried like a baby for that one.
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As much as I wanted to see a whole mess of Force Ghosts, I have to ask: Then what? There's a few scenarios I can envision.
1.) Would you really be okay with them trying to fight Palpatine, while he just lightning zaps them? If he does lightning zap them, what happens? Can you hurt a Force Ghost? Do they have Force Ghost Lightsabers? What can THOSE do? It would open a huge can of worms, and basically end up being a bunch of ghosts killing Palpatine FOR Rey, instead of her doing it.
2.) They'd just stand behind her, and be present like at the end of Harry Potter. That would have been boring.
3.) They'd all lay hands on her, which would be a weird crowded thing, but it's my favorite idea. She's getting zapped, Luke, Leia, and Ben's ghosts put their hands on her shoulders, Then Anakin and Yoda and Obi-Wan join in, then Qui-Gon, and some others we recognize, including Ahsoka, Kanan, and Ezra, then more and more. I'm imagining a great overhead shot of lightning coming in at one end, and a fan of Force Ghosts spreading out behind Rey. (Visually, the scene would almost look a little like the Holdo Maneuver, with the streak and the debris spreading out.)
But this is the problem with Star Wars. It's been a problem since really, 1980, but even moreso in 1999. We all had headcanon as soon as we left the theater about the Clone Wars, or if Luke and Leia got together, or if Han and Chewie were going to stick around. In 1999, we all had expectations of what the prequels were going to be. We had 20 years of built up EU and imaginations of the First 3 Episodes. And people shat all over the prequels, and now all over the sequels, because what we imagine is so ingrained that we only see what WE WANT the movies to be, and when we don't get it, we don't like it. And then we start picking it apart immediately, rather than enjoying it for a couple hours.
Yes, thank you. People expect way too much content from movies these days. Just sit back and enjoy the movie, please.
I LOVED the Han scene with Ben, but I also think it couldhave been cool if Kylo had walked through the wreckage of the Death Star and had visions/convos with Luke, Anakin, & then Han. Sort of in a anti degobah cave type of thing if you will.
I enjoyed the movie. It had flaws, but I was entertained. The only thing that bothers me is that when Disney wiped the EU out, they said ALL content from then on was going to be consistent with the development of the Story Group overseeing all canon throughout the media. It seems JJ threw that out the window and it's a shame, because up to this movie, it seemed like the SW universe was at least lore consistent. Now it's going to take a bunch of hand waving and spin to correct the lore Ep9.
What a lot of people are not considering is the whole “unanswered questions” aspect has been done before...during the original trilogy, we got no answers as to who this Emperor really was and how he came into power. No explanation as to what happened during the Clone War nor how Luke and Leia were split up or even how Vader was the father. We were told things in each film and had to wait years and be exposed to numerous explanations be fleshed out...that is what Star Wars is about!
It will never be something you watch once or twice and have all your answers. It has lasted 40+ years because people need to dissect and dive into the lore over and over!!
That's totally true! I wonder if some confusion comes from the fact that we have had 40+ years of legends and current canon and we have questions from TROS but we just have to wait.
Q/A: Is it possible that in the sinking fields that what Finn was going to tell Rey was that he thinks he can feel the force?
JJ confirmed that in an interview.
Palpatine wasn't slain by Rey. This time his own Force Lightning killes him preventing him from using Rey as a Dark Side Vessel. That's my take on Palpatines resurrection not working again
Max Davies Good thought! Rey also had the help of all the force ghosts, so maybe they were making a more concerted effort to destroy his spirit, as opposed to Vader who just chucked him off a cliff.
Agreed, I think this was meant to be a permanent, on-screen death for the Sith, and it feels like a more real end to a war that’s been happening for thousands of years.
@@jonmkl In the end, its always been the Sith killing themselves that brought about their own destruction, ironic is it not
Ben/Kylo had to die.
Imagine this: "In other news, Ben Solo, also known as 'Kylo Ren,' was indicted on 50 billion counts of murder today. Corellian Superior Court Judge Slom Rendaar made the following comments to the former Supreme Leader during his arraignment hearing this morning...."
In real life, yes,but not in a galaxy far far away.
IT'S JUST A FILM.
Just have Ben and Rey live on a planet far from the NR
Have Ben go into exile like his namesake did. Maybe he decides to scour the unknown regions wiping out the remnants of the Sith Eternal. That would bring his story a nice parallel - he tried to be like Vader, ended up like Obi-Wan. He started the film's wanting to hunt the last Jedi down, now he wants to hunt down the Sith.
Yeah but even though he led the First Order for a year, as his lawyer I think I could bargain that down to 49,992,381,044 counts of ACCOMPLICE to murder. The rest would have to be war crimes, plus 1 count of patricide.
Tom N
1. You don’t know that. At all. It’s an area of the SW universe almost wholly unexplored.
2. No shit. It was a joke. Have you ever laughed before? Come on.
I'm not a big fan of "The Last Jedi" for various reasons, but one thing I REALLY LIKED about it was the revelation that Rey's parents were nobodies, and maybe even just drunk jerks who sold her off for drinking money. I loved the idea that it wasn't her bloodline that mattered. I don't hate "The Rise of Skywalker," but I do dislike that Abrams backpedaled on that idea hard.
menamgamg that’s already a thing. There were like 10,000 Jedi before Order 66. Yoda. Mace Windu who beat Palpatine before Anakin showed up. Their whole plot point of “anyone can be a Jedi or a force user” is already established and seen in the movies. It’s always felt pointless to me to hammer that home at the cost of these characters and their stories.
This was the Skywalker saga. I dont understand people's grips that lineage was special in this ONE family. Literally every other Jedi not named Skywalker was a nobody. In your opinion, which isnt wrong or right, the last trilogy of the three should have a protagonist not named or related to Skywalker even though the previous two did. Sure, the message would be everyone is special but it doesn't work as a Skywalker saga.
@@Steven-zf8io and broom kid still isn't related to anyone
I feel like Finn was force sensitive the way Leia was force sensitive in the Original Trilogy.
By family?
Leia was only Force sensitive when George decided she would be Luke's sister in ROTJ. Originally she wasn't his sister.
@@lukerope1906 Leia and Luke force communicated with each other at the end of Empire. It was already established.
Just in the sense that in the films they both didn’t use the force physically, but they were able to sense when their friends (or brother in Leia’s case) were in danger.
@@tomn6800 force sensitivity is random although at higher likelihood in descendants.
as the movie shows palpatines son was not force sensetive and thus he didnt care for him. her daughter however exhibited strong force sensetivity despite both mother and father not being force sensetive.
Remember when in end of The Last Jedi, Luke echoes Kenobi and says that if you strike me down, I’ll always will be with you, JUST LIKE YOUR FATHER. Apparently Ben Solo has been haunted by the memory of his father prior to The Rise of Skywalker. That scene with Han was exactly what I needed.
Palpatine did say that he had died before. I think that once he “died” his body was returned to him and his soul is just living in his rotting corpse, and then of course with the soul sucking he reverted back to how he was in like ROTS.
I remember reading somewhere around Carrie Fisher’s death that Leila’s future storyline involved a key confrontation with Kylo. I imagine that was passed to Han.
I mean, we haven’t seen Ahsoka in the “Search for Ezra” series that is going to eventually happen. There’s so much post-Return of the Jedi able to be told.
Then Ezra is revealed to have become DJ.
ItsATrap01 Rian denied that
The initial scene where Palps meets Kylo and you see all of those vats reminded me a lot of Plaguies laboratory in the Plaguies Novel. Do you think Palpatine uses his old masters teachings to somehow keep himself alive after RotJ?
I wonder if it was Plagueis originally but they changed it to Palpatine for name recognition.
Gave me Dark Empire comic vibes.
I think palpatine stayed alive the same way anakin/darth vader stayed alive for so long without medical attention after the battle against obi wan on mustafa - fueled by hatred
The scene of Ben reviving Rey reminded me of The Daughter reviving Ahsoka in The Clone Wars
I was wondering if anyone else thought that. And the daughter died just like Ben did. It makes sense.
@@capiseric the daughter died because she was stabbed by the dagger of mortis. She used her remaining life essence to revive ashoka.
I’m 15 and this trilogy will go down as the trilogy of my childhood
AgentN Prequels?
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I'm also 15 and its more of the prequels for me
Alex, you are caught up on Rey being a nobody and that "anyone can do anything, it doesn't matter where they come from"
Well, this movie gives the message of "you can do anything, it doesnt matter where you come from" too
Rey was related to the most evil man in the galaxy yet she still chose to be good. lineage does not matter.
joethahobo It very much echoes Luke being the son of Vader but rejecting the dark side nonetheless.
It’s like poetry, it rhymes - Notorious GL
This is exactly my thought too. A person's background doesn't matter. Their choices do. And the idea that a nobody can also be force sensitive is also still true, since Finn is force sensitive.
“Your focus determines your reality”
Fin also used the force to figure out which Star Destroyer was broadcasting that signal, so it wasn't only about Rey.
"What's your name? Rey Hitler." - Alex Damon, 2019
5:50 Ok Here's how this should have went down. ITS THE EXACT SAME SCENE, only after he talks to Han and then throws his Saber in the water, when he turns around it's Hayden Christian Force Ghost and he just gives him a smile nod of approval. And thats the scene. And its like he had his fathers Love, and now he has the respect of the guy he was wanting respect from this whole time. His real Grandfather.
O wow! True I love that!!! This movie really did connect to the other movies, Ben did what Aniken never could! Love it!!!!
"She can't go around saying Palpatine!" lmao
I liked The rise of skywalker movie but it also made me sad to see that Carrie Fisher was cut short due to her death, it brought up my sadness for her too early death. May she rest in peace.
You two should’ve watched it twice back to back before talking about it. I’ve seen it 4 times and it gets better each time. You should make another 2nd viewing review ASAP. My 72 year old parents think it’s the best STAR WARS film yet. Happy Holidays, great review & May the force be with you.
Honestly liked it much better the first time, second time I was like " holy cow, this isn't good."
I’m 36 years old & I would play with my figures acting out what happened after ROTJ in my head. Now I get to watch something that I never thought I would see. Sorry you didn’t like it.
@@greybeardgaming2471 maybe I'll like it better when I see it again, it definitely had good things in it.
About halfway through the video, and I really enjoy (both of) your analysis. The fandom has been a little rough to take over the past couple years, so to have you guys analyze things as I would - take the good and the bad and just either say "I liked that, I didn't like that, etc" is so refreshing. So, thanks for all of your videos, I'm a happy new subscriber.
As for my thoughts on TROS, I enjoyed almost everything (and I enjoy it more the more I think about it), but I think a lot of what's talked about here - and a lot of what's been talked about since TFA came out - hasn't been touched on in *any* sort of media because of the secrecy behind the films. Like, normally we'd get a comic book, game, novel, SOMETHING to explain why something happened, why someone didn't do what they thought they would, or whatever... but to keep things close to their chest, Disney (I think rightfully) decided to wait.
Of course, now the naysayers will say things like "oh of course, they're trying to retcon things by explaining this and that" or whatever, but that's the kind of thing I've always loved about Star Wars. I'm looking forward to the future, to say the least!
Anyway, carry on. Thanks for the videos!
I actually loved TROS. While the story definitely had some flaws, I felt the overall viewing experience was a blast. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it again.
C3PO stole the first hour of the movie. I loved when he turned around after everyone looked at him and when R2 wanted to fix memories.. the sudden cut after 3PO refused was really funny to me.
QnA: haven't seen this asked, but Kylo uses what looks like an Imperial TIE left over from the wreckage to follow Rey at the end. So that shouldn't have had a hyperdrive right?
:O
How great would it have been if he showed up in a TIE Advanced X1. Vader's ship. Anakin left him what he needed to do what needed to be done.
Oh, yeah - good idea!
I would have loved that.
Could've found a hyperspace ring? Or took a shuttle with an Interceptor attached
Anakin was nowhere near Padme when she was dying so he never had the opportunity to attempt it. Even if he was, she didn't want to live with the way he had become.
Exactly. We don't even know if sith can use force heal it if Anakin was willing to die to save her. I doubt he could do either. Rey could know it because she learned it through the Jedi texts, but pretty sure Anakin hadn't seen it done
The best part is we’re now probably going to get a YA Palpatine romance novel... and will be every bit as romantic and healthy as you’d expect 50 shades of Palpatine would be.
Henry Hammond 50 shades of the Senate.
'I am the Senate' was Palpatine's favorite pickup line.
@@itsatrap1017 50 Shades of Treason
I know people will hate me for saying this, but screw it. This is my favorite star wars movie.
You're right!!!
Right that I hate you for that. Jk!!! I didn't like it, but you do you.
@@squasher0487 Oh thank God, I almost thought I had a toxic fan after me xD
Brave, but foolish my old jedi friend
Just kidding, I respect your opinion
So since diad is now only a monad, i propose we call Rey's lightsaber the Monado.
I think Rey's saber is Yellow for Healing as was the theme she acquired throughout the movie. (And yes it's Yellow just shown with orange highlights to be seen better in a movie)
her saying i’m “rey palepatine” we hear his laugh and credits scenes would’ve have been huge
And then she takes out her Dark Rey cloak and sabers.
The bad thing is it would've guaranteed another trilogy placed right after this one
Regarding the colour of Reys lightsaber.... you don't choose your crystal, it chooses you.
Exactly. They all start out clear and become colored according to each individual.
@@byronmacdowell3732 Isn't that only Darksiders with there "bleeding".
@@Lakefront_Khan No, it's for Jedi as well
I would think that Ben giving so much of his life force to Rey means that she literally is carrying on the Skywalker spirit
I absolutely loved this movie! For me though nothing will top The Last Jedi, which I know is quite an unpopular opinion. The only part of The Rise Of Skywalker that I don't particularly like is the fact that they killed off Ben, I was/still low key am a major Reylo shipper. I feel like the pair could have accomplished so much if they were to have been able to continue a path together. However I still have a huge admiration for the movie and all who have put their heart and soul into making it ❤️
Perhaps when First Order troopers are “sent for reconditioning” they’re actually sent to the Final Order and brainwashed into Sith troopers, almost like inquisitors are tortured / turned padawans and Jedi etc.
Most casual fans (like my sisters/mom, uncle, neighbor, and soccer coach) LOVE this movie because they enjoyed it while watching it in the theater and don’t think about it anymore after our post movie dinner
i like how nobody is talking about the John Williams cameo
I just did some digging on IMDB and none of the lucasfilm story group members (that I know of) got a credit on their profile for TROS. I checked Pablo, Matt, Leland, Kiri, Rayne and Carrie. Most of them had multiple sw movies listed under along with shows or JFO but none of them had TROS in their profiles. odd
From what I understand, the story group was dismantled after TLJ.
@@tcg1972 Wait, seriously?
@@tcg1972 and what proof do you have for that?
@@TheEnecca your mother
I always thought that the ol’ vat of Snokes was a series of failed attempts to give Palpatine new bodies, and he gave up on that project to try his plan in Rise of Skywalker.
If they were failed they wouldn't just keep them around for decor
Passed Tense I mean it is a perfect centerpiece. Have dinner by the deformed snoke jars!
About the Force Ghost, I wonder if one of the rules is you can only see the one you've met before they died and turn to be force ghosts. Like Luke saw Anakin, Yoda, Obi-wan in ROTJ because he met them before dead. If my theory is right then it makes sense that Anakin's physical ghost is not in this movie because Rey never met Anakin before (although I wish to see Anakin at least). If that's true, I think they should at least include Ben's force ghost in the last scene. What do you guys think?
To become a force ghost requires long training and some things to do (hell, whole episode of Clone Wars about it)
@Chris Coulbeck Luke meets Anakin for the first time right before he dies on the deathstar
I don’t agree
Chris Coulbeck plus original ROTJ has old Anakin ghost which I think it is more appropriate.
Peet Apiwat I mean anakin wasn’t that old by the time of return of the Jedi
About the "be with me" and "i am all the jedi" stuff, I think it's less literral than just her connecting straight to the cosmic force, where all those dead people would go once they die. Hence the shot of her looking through the ships, the sky and straight to the stars.
I think that Rey taking Skywalker's name at the end is not simply her wanting to claim a new name for herself, she also has Ben's life force living in her now. So she actually does have some Skywalker in her.
What do you think is implied when Lando tells Jannah “let’s find out together” after she tells him that she doesn’t know who her family is? Is it insinuating that Lando is her father and is just not telling her for unknown reasons, or that they’re going to go on some wild adventure following the Rise of Skywalker?
Another "genius" mystery box by Jar Jar. They were not intending to answer that one.
Opens to new adventures for sure
I never really believed the theory about Jannah being Lando's daughter. I used to believe that Jannah would turn out to be Finn's biological sister.
peskyseagull how Lando said that to her was just so disgusting. Like it seemed so seductive and sexual, but he’s a very old man and Jannah’s a very young woman and ugh
Felt like a cut subplot. The leaks that got everything else right mentioned that Jannah was supposed to be Lando's daughter and was taken from him as child by the First Order which could've been the reason why Lando gave up piloting.
Also, the story group definitely doesn't seem to have much control over the filmmakers. Poe's story in tlj was also copied in the comics, and both versions of that one story seem to have been ignored for tros too. Which is very disappointing, but isn't unique to either film at this point.
From what I understand, the story group has been largely dismantled. And, was 100% NOT INVOLVED in this movie. After TLJ, Bob Iger and KK were not happy with the story group.
@@CoastalEddieinflames source?
EDWARD VIRGILIO whatever they’re doing now is working much better. Not perfect but I love Mando and Jedi FO, and this movie was ok.
@@CoastalEddieinflames big ouch if true
@@CoastalEddieinflames but also considering things were already being copied in TLJ it'd pretty weird if they were only disassembled that recently. Really disappointing. I don't usually go in for negativity about star wars but eckhartsladder has some really blatant examples of them not being used
Do you think Thrawn could have replaced the role of Pride? I enjoyed the character but it really just made me think about Thrawn the whole time. Hopefully now that 9 is out we'll learn about Thrawn and Ezra I just hope Thrawn's story has a satisfying end and isn't just manipulated to "fit" within all the other stories surrounding it.
Thrawn would have been a nice touch but it would have been more upsetting to just see him comeback in one movie and die in it
2:41 Robot Chicken Palpatine: You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently.
24:29 well I interpreted it differently. Palpatine wanted to carry his spirit through Rey so here’s what I think. A Sith master’s end goal is to be slain by their apprentice so in a way they can line forever. Palpatine himself didn’t die, but all the Sith masters before him did, in this way Plagueis did survive in a way. It’s why Palpatine is the only character seemingly incapable of redemption, it’s because he’s part himself and part the culmination of all the hateful, vengeful, broken, prideful, fearful Sith that came before him. That’s what he means by “I’ve died before”, the last time this Sith master died was when Palpatine killed Plagueis
The Rule of Two makes more sense after this.
I like how at the end of the day Palpatine’s blood line is the only one that continues
*me going onto social media after TROS*
"Its on fire, all of it. Everything's on fire."
18:22 At that scene when the old woman asks Rey her name I just whispered "Say it!" And my friend next to me said it as well and we got this great back and fourth chant of us just alternating "Say it!" Until she did.
I just finally went and watched The Rise of Skywalker for the first time and I don't understand what all the fuss is about! It's definitely not a perfect Star Wars movie, but it's far better than some. And hardly worth the vitriolic HATE I've been seeing lately from some people, in some places.
I give it a B+, (80%) overall. 👍
TWSTF 8 its cause the majority of people hating on it get their opinions from youtube “reviewers” who hate on the sequels for profit
(Not saying ALL of them btw, many make good arguments)
The more simple answer to why Ben died resurrecting Rey is a soul for a soul I guess.
Is it weird that one of my earliest thoughts about that was "Man, that have come in useful if force cure did that in KOTOR".
Red Skull was offscreen.
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
Mollie I think you touched on something, you said you heard Rey’s fingers crackling after using force lighting this could be why Palpatine had no finger tips. Using so much force lighting caused physical damage to himself. Also thinking back when Vader tosses Palpatine down the tube and there’s this scream and blue light effect that emerges up the tube could of been Palpatine transporting him to his final location
So here's my idea for Palpatine surviving:
He had the holocron/pathfinder in his secret chamber on the Death Star which shows the way to Exegol.
Throughout The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker we see Rey and Ren "Force Teleport" objects, from rain drops to chains to whole lightsabers. Now this was most likely due to their strange connection which according to Palpatine was very rare. What if Sidious had learnt the same or a similar power, too, and what we see at the end of Return of the Jedi is actually not him dying but Force Blasting himself to Exegol. Might have taken a toll, leaving him near death or turning him into a zombie or something.
i think he force-hopped his spirit into Vader's mask or body like Lord Momin in the recent Vader comics...
explains how palps could easily fool kylo since kylo had vaders mask and thought he could commune with it
@@originalSiiiN Sure, I thought about that, too. But then, the question remains how his body survived.
Dom Anthony König I love this theory! Yes!!!
@@CeedeeableOne if maul and anakin can survive their injuries and leia can fly in space, then is it really hard to believe the most powerful and evil wizard couldn't use a force shield or something to protect himself?
@@originalSiiiN I never said anything about force shields.Sure, there might be other ways of survival. If your theory were true, that shield would have withstood the fall into the reactor core and the subsequent explosion of the entire Death Star. Which makes Palps far too OP than he already is anyway.
i like the way they explain Palpatine's return with "the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider do be unnatural" just as that, it sounds just rushed, but it's not all that bad, mantain the mistery and the simbolic figure of the devil and the dark side, the rest is speculation
After watching all three episodes and especially this last one, I feel that one of the major points of this trilogy was to show us Leia's importance in defeating Palpatine. The OT showed us Luke's journey, but always left me wondering why Leia never seemed as important to defeating Palpatine as Luke did. Anakin had twins, and Rey was able to defeat Palpatine only with the help from both Luke and Leia, adding Leia's lightsaber to the final battle really stressed that point in my opinion. Now I feel as though seeing the twins born at the end of Revenge is more impactful because I now know it'll take just as much effort in the force from both of them to defeat Palpatine.
can you please make a video explaining when/more about who palpatines child or children were, I just don’t understand when he had the time to have kids, also who he had kids with if he even did have kids with ANYONE
Some questions I have are:
What happened to Norra Wexley/Antilles since Wedge was there? What happened to the rest of black squadron (especially kare since snap died)? What happened to the leadership from Resistance Reborn (general Rieeken, Ransolm Casterfo, etc.)? Why was Maz there, I thought she said she wouldn't join the Resistance in Resistance Reborn? Why was R2 flying with Poe, rather than BB-8? Did Gallius Rax destroy the empire for no reason if Palpatine was alive? Also do you think project luminous (whatever it is) could explain some of these new ideas about the force?
In hindsight, Resistance Reborn had nothing to do with The Rise of Skywalker.
Maz Kanata refuses to join the Resistance in the novel, and is suddenly part of the Resistance in the movie.
In The Last Jedi, the Resistance sends out a distress signal and no one responds. The movie suggests that it's because people don't care enough to join the fight, while RR retcons this by revealing that the First Order was rounding up and labelling "subversives" that would've joined if not for them being arrested.
TROS ignores this. Poe references the Crait distress signal as if RR never happened.
@@andrewxu3602 Everyone had about 15 minutes to respond to the "Crait distress signal" before the New Order hit the planet. And this was a few days after the center of the New Republic government and most of the Navy was destroyed. It takes a little longer to get people to react after 25+ years of relative peace and active demilitarization.
I thought the message of this trilogy was going to be about how our past does not define us and we can always go back to the bright side of the force by learning from the mistakes we made, through the story of ben solo. But in killing him, it seems that the deaths of han, luke, and Leia did nothing but allow rey to come back to life. And for me, though rey has found a new family, no one understands the traumas of her past and knows her completely, only ben. That is why they had such a strong bond and although in many ways they were opposites, that would be what was going to bring balance to the force. So for me this movie though it was fantastic in many ways failed in the end to not complete the message of hope that was being told throughout the saga. Even though the sacrifice was a beautiful and tragic gesture of love and redemption, I wish the triology had a happy ending for the last skywalker. Ben really deserved happiness with rey :(
Carolina Lorena feel it did in a way
I think relationship between Directors and the Story is pretty simple. If you direct one of the Trilogy movie you do whatever the hell you want and they get to figure out how they're gonna explain that in another medium. And if you direct a spin-off movie you do what you want as long as the story group green lits it.
For me the destruction of Kejimi triggered the fact that so many people decided to joined
I don't think it made that much sense still considering the entire hosnian system was destroyed in TFA and then in TLJ literally no one came to help them
No Luke's death made them come
My interpretation of the Emporer in RoS, is that the person's we know as "Palpatine" was a clone or extension of the true Darth Sideous who has been on Exigol the entire time. "Palpatine" didn't survive the 2nd Death Star. Darth Sideous says he has died many times (ie he's avatars / clones have died)
Every Star Wars movie has a certain amount of what I call "goofy Star Wars bullsh*t" that makes no sense. Everybody who enjoys Star Wars is able to tolerate these things to some greater or lesser degree. I enjoyed this film but JJ was really pushing it this time.
Honestly I'm finding this film to be Star Wars-y AF!! 🤘😜 Just seen it for the fifth time and I'm really, really enjoying it. Adam Driver is a BEAST and with repeated viewings I'm no longer so overwhelmed by some of the more spectacular action sequences that I can't follow the quieter narrative sections with ease. There are references to not only the other saga films but to ancillary and even EU materials which is AWESOME. You can see JJ trying to please absolutely everybody in this which pulls you out sometimes but overall I've been thoroughly entertained 😁👍
Thanks guys, I enjoyed the discussion.
Is Ben Solo really dead?
We didn't see him take his place with his mother and uncle at the end.
I wish we had gotten to truly see Ben Solo's personality, what should have been a strong contrast to Kylo, via a few lines of dialogue. I would have loved to have seen him be a combination of Han's cocky scoundrel and Leia's steadfast determination.
Yep Ben is dead
did you see Kylo stop hux from talking by showing him the index finger exactly like han did to c3po?.
i liked that touch, it made me feel like despite beeing kylo ren there is still a bit of his father in him.
Poe's backstory lines up with the comics in the Visual Dictionary