Why Darth Plagueis the Wise is WAY More Powerful Than You Realize
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I love how he stoped saying “acolytes in the force” for his intros lmao
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I miss it😂 reminded me of the first bane book
Tenebrous and Plagueis were one the most interesting sith in the lore. Their view points, abilities, and their roles in society.
Their mentality and abilities is what stands out to me.
The stories you talked about makes Darth Plagueis sound like those old Chuck Norris jokes.
Darth Plagueis made Chuck Norris look it up
@@Darthraion nice😊
I know, what a joke.
He alive still he best ever
@@isaacsantana6560 unfortunately, he was killed in his sleep after drinking to much wine by his apprentice.
Anytime you're compared to Vitiate, you know you're dealing with real power.
Nhilus and plagueis are the most powerful.
@@socalpunisher
Sidious is in real star wars (legends)
Power is deep within; indoctrinated through knowledge and inspiration.
If the power within is what makes one powerful; is it really you; is it even your power?
Are *you* powerful? Or is something else *making you powerful?*
"This is *our* Galaxy, Sidious."
Oh yeah!! Vitiate, Nihlius and his Master Darth Traya was Heavyweights. Darth Revan, Bane, Zhanna and Cognus was off the chain too!!!
You know, guys, we all know this, that if Darth Plagueis the Wise was not sick or was not drunk, he could have defeated and killed Palpatine alone, all by himself. He trained him, and he used a dirty tactic to kill him.
I mean that’s the reason why Palpatine purposely made him get drunk😂
Facts bro you know it 🔥
@@TB4585 Because he was weak, and even after everything, he was still weak.
Which is perfectly acceptable to the doctrine of the Sith.
@@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134 I know they're attacking someone who's drunk or who's not in a good shape is how bad guys become weak. It's how Palpatine is. It's how he's been.
No doubt he is so powerful he was one of the few people Palpatine actually feared. By attacking him in his sleep by surprise was proof enough how terrifyingly strong this guy really was. Still a force to be reckon with
Passed out drunk, not just asleep. He had to get him trashed to handle Ole Hugo.
I think it's also because he had a resporator. The book says Sidious electrified his resporator and made him suffocate
I was also sold on his abilities when it said he could even control the minds of Hutts, who often took amusement in force users even trying to use mind tricks on them.
Attacked him after he craved sleep for months and got drunk because he was happy they got this together since Plagueis wanted to be fair partners with Sidious. Sidious even had a bad feeling because of it afterwards since he did not know if Plagueis maybe survived because he can manipulate midichlorians
Plagueis is ridicolously powerfull. My absolute favorite character with Maul
yes. we've needed more Darth Plaguies since 2005. i never leaned forward in my seat more than when Plagueis was mentioned in Revenge Of The Sith. another Sith?!!! i was beyond intrigued. the novel is excellent and yes tells the entirety of his story, but, it is the in between that has soo much potential.
To be honest, I never gave much credit to Plagueis or Tenebrus. I always had that oversimplification in my head that he was "just" the master of Sidious. The recent videos about him really changed my views on him.
Same page as you “just the master of sidious” but now makes sense how they shift the balance of the force to dark side
Sounds like Yal need to hop on the Darth Plagueis audiobook
You HAVE to listen to the audiobook Darth Plaguis….its some of the best star wars content ever
Tenebrous and Plagueis were one the most interesting sith in the lore. Their view points, abilities, and their roles in society.
@@timmeinshausen6060fr darth bane trillogie and darth plaguise are the best star wars works in my opinion.
This is an absolute gamechanging video. I will say, the showrunner for the Acolyte said what's in store for Qimir and Osha in terms of Plagueis seeing everything in the background. They don't stand a snowball's chance.
Oh they are dead dead.
I need to read the Darth Plagueis book.
Same
Yes you do i might read it again one of the best sw books ever
@@adodi69 it my favorite sw book two darth bane is a good read two
Overall it's good but kinda clunky in certain parts
You should absolutely !! I wasn’t expecting much from the novel but I definitely wanted to learn more about Plagueis & Sidious’s Origins it’s one of the best books I’ve ever read. The narration descriptions are so good it’s like a movie in your own mind as you’re reading it and you never forget it. Plus it’s just top-notch genius level writing
One of the best Stat Wars novels by far
If we want to get into his potential, Plagueis was on the verge of Godhood:
Plagueis was litterally said to be capable of any power during-
Chapter 24 pg 283
Of the Darth Plagueis novel.
And following nearby context they directly list, Flight, becoming invisible, and Teleportation acrost space and time just beforehand (when Plagueis was a student of Vanamis before realizing Vanamis was wrong and he was capable of anything) indicating he is capable of these things.
Which alongside further context of things like-
Chapter 5 pg 61-62
And
Chapter 13 Pg 164
Directly indicates he became capable of "any power" even with knowledge of the ancient sith "Force supernova" that could destroy entire stars, and Nihilus consuming entire planets. 😂
And this is all backed up by him legit reaching out to impact all beings in existence at once using his power, and scaring away the force itself with them describing it "-as if it was in flight from him." during Darth Plagueis Novel Chapter 24 pg 283-284
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Which is comparable in scope to stuff Abeloth did (as in primarily Plagueis and Abeloth are the only ones who were said to have sent the force running from my knowledge LOL).
And this is the same Novel that indicates the celestials merged with the force btw as seen in Chapter 15 pg 184.
So Plagueis being capable of this without the Force Dyad, BY HIMSELF is insane In scope and almost “force celestial”-like.
And in the Darth Plagueis Novel Prologue they'd describe his death as shaking the stars themselves across the galaxy further backing up these levels of power.
In fact… Across the Novel in Chapter 29 title and events. Aswell as the Dark-Side beckoning Sidious to slay his master in the Darth Plagueis Novel Prologue (where his death is shown), just to “annoint” Sidious afterwards as if Sidious did something good.
Suggests the Force itself, who is in a sense God for this verse, had to step in itself to finish Plagueis off. Which in this context included the Dark-Side stepping in to convince Palpatine to murder Plagueis.
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Conclusion:
It seems Plagueis was on the verge of Godhood via bruteforce.
So the Force itself orchestrated his murder.
Bro got DM banned by the Force. 😂
And Plagueis is the only instance of this occurring IIRC.
Plagueis: *Exists and terrifies the force*
The Force: “Fuck that guy in particular”
Soon after: *The Force makes Anakin to counter Palpatine, and then steps in to orchestrate Plagueis's murder*
Random Sidenote:
If we count Extended Legends Canon such as "Star Wars: Supernatural Encounters".
Then I guess Näkäsh the Father of Shadows is the closest other instance of this occurring.
Bassically... Before the Celestials Merged into the Force (making up a majority of its powers nowadays in the process) they turned on this Father of Shadow Näkäsh to eliminate him.
Very similar to how the Force Post Collective-Celestial Merger turned on Plagueis to eliminate him.
That's as far as the comparisons go though and it's a bit of a stretch given vast time depths.
And Honestly similar comparisons with Näkäsh can be made with Darth Nihilus, Dark Underlord, Corrupted Dande Sin, and Abeloth respectively (when including Extended Legends Lore ofc).
I believe you are reading into some of this too literally or convoluting somethings with others.
In chapter 13, for instance; he is telling Palpatine was making himself desirable to lesser beings and once he has them, he will have any power he needs over them. And later, brings up ancient Sith Lords that were transformed into hideous images of their former selves by taking the “Lightning into themselves” and well as something about powerful Force imbued star ships (though I think that he was taking a Rakatan super weapons and Sith Meditation spheres and how such things were inferior to the true power of the Darkside). But, the ancient ship that was used to cause a stellar cluster to go nova, was enhanced with ancient Sith Force imbued devices which employed an array of Kyber crystals.
But, Plagueis like many Sith, was arrogant and over confident. Which not only led to his demise, and that of Palpatine’s, but also cut Anakin’s potential in half, just as he was near about to surpass some of the most powerful Jedi of his time (which he eventually did anyway, but that was still less than half of what it could have been).
@eds1942 That chapter was just listed to show his knowledge of the beings mentioned.
Your interpretation is completely valid, though technically.
After all... It's up to the readers to do the interpretating.
You are correct that Plagueis is certainly arrogant, though. Just "how" arrogant, aka how much is litteral, and how much is his ego speaking is where the interpretation comes in.
@@shadow15kryans23 Too reasonable.
Just kidding. You don’t see that much now-a-days.
Have a good one!
@eds1942 Yeh, you have a good one to. 😁👍
Force Speed is one ability I wish we could have seen more in Star Wars Live Action productions.
Episode 1 Phantom Menace . First 15 minutes
@@jaywatkins2299 Yes, I remember. I wanted to see more of that, since force-speed was a fairly common ability, from what I know.
@@jaywatkins2299 Yes, exactly and that's why it's sad that they never used it again, I don't understand why. And force speed was also basic force power in Jedi Academy games, all jedi should be able to do that, they don't need to doge blaster shots with lightsaber, they can just instantly run behind shooters and destroy them, but Lucas probably make a decision that it would not look that cool, so he never used force speed again.
This isn't terribly shocking to me. Palpatine needed a passed out drunk master to kill him afterall.
Plagueis allowed it, thinking he was essentially invincible by that point.
@@karlrovey But I think Pleigueis trusted Sidious too much…. forgetting that he killed his own parents and that he could do it again.
@@silentalliance3269 If he trusted Sidious that much, then he has no business continuing to be the Sith master.
@@silentalliance3269 Imagine trusting someone called (in)sidious. Hm. Was it really trust or hubris on Plageuis' side?
@karlrovey he had already essentially declared the old rule of two over and wash ushering in a new era where he and Sidious would rule together as equals with his ability to extend both of their lives.
More Plagueis lore please
All it takes is for one moment and all that power is gone
Remember Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep. He didn't had enough courage to face him normally.
Yeah, and Palpatine had also gotten him drunk
Not just asleep, passed out drunk
@@DarthGrievousFindsYourHouse😂
That's not a lack of courage by using your brain lol. A lack of courage is not making the attempt.
Plagueis actually woke up in the beginning of the fight but didn't fight back he tested his midchlorian technique but failed nonetheless, in the TPM James luceno (with lucas consent) stated that plagueis and sidious were roughly equals
It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord Of The Sith
It's not a story the jedi would tell you.
"So powerful and so wise, he could use the force to influence the midichlorians to create life. He had such a knowledge of the dark side. He could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."
"He could actually save ppl from death?"
"The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be unnatural."
@Ravenfanatic5 "is it possible to learn this power"
@@jamieh19861 "not from a Jedi"
@@jamieh19861Not from a Jedi.
We need more of Him. I believe he could be Chosen of The Sith, not the Emperor
Yeah I think so aswell
Thank the heavens hes still a munn 😭🙏
You know this Muuns story is gonna be made of cheese. Swiss cheese. Full of holes and stinky.
LMAO dummy!! I wasn't ready for that 😂 way funnier to me than it should have been 😂 much Love, and May The Force Be With You...Always🙏🤜🤛💯🔥☝️💪@@lustrazor44
He also has heterochromia. if you look at pictures of the brightness turned up his left eye is Sith red while his right eye is blue. I’m not sure if that was some thing already depicted in legends content, but it was very interesting to note in his brief appearance
Olivia is my favorite munn
Man, all of Plagueis' feats would make him a good challenge for King Piccolo if he was in Dragon Ball.
Somethings people need to get straight: 1) Sidious didn't plan on killing Plagueis that night. He didn't get him drunk on purpose. They were actually celebrating. Sidious in fact, was leaving the apartment, grabbing his cloak when a shiver ran down his spine as the Dark Side spoke to him. Only then, without planning did he resolve to kill him. 2) This mirrors Plagueis' own assassination of his master Tenebrous. He had not planned to kill him. But the gas explosion in the cavern offered him a chance and he took it. 3) At the time of TPM when Sidious killed Plagueis he was certainly not more powerful than his master. At the time Plagueis reckoned Dooku was as powerful as Sidious, and a better duelist. It is only after Sidious kills Plagueis that he grows in power considerably. However, by ROTS Sidious was more powerful than Plagueis had been, though not as knowledgeable. 4) Vader crippled as he was, was not at Plagueis' level, though was probably a better duelist.
Looks like that you have PhD in star wars
Better duelist then Plageuis? Absolutely not. Not even close.
@@PrinceCezar27Vader?
Yes he is, Vader is canonically regarded as the greatest Darkside duelist, even above Sidious. Plagueis isn't on that list however as it currently stands Vader is the better duelist.
I like to think pre-suit Vader "WAS" as powerful as any Sith Lord ever, for just a few hours.
Except he was SO POWERFUL, at such a young age, he was arrogant and lacked wisdom or foresight.
Palpatine had him in both those departments, and used this advantage to temporarily subdue Vader, for about 20 years or so.
@@fallenhero4550 you lost me as soon as you said 'canonically". No. Disney doesn't take it serious so I'm not going with Vader as the strongest. Absolutely not.
God Damn. Now we need to see a movie or show with Plagueis now.
If the acolyte season 2 happens I’d assume he will be in it more since he was teased
@@mateoedwin4202 I'm sorry I said that if Disney is involved.
Under Disney?
ABSOLUTELY no
@@carlosgaleotegandara7812 WHAT!! Come on. Why not? Don't you wanna see, him and Palpatine form a circle and sing " The power of one, the power of two, the power of MANY? You know. When creating Anakin.
TWO DADS!! It would be (sing it with me) "FABULOUS".
Deepest thanks for this video after the last episode totally in the mood for lore deep dive👍❤️🔥
When talking about Darth Plagus, I see him being a character closer to that of Vitiate than Sidious. Plagus and Vitiate after a point were poor Sith, in terms of their ideology, but regardless were among the pinnacle of Dark Side users when it came to power. And they are both prime examples of how you don't need to be or think like a Sith to achieve true greatness in the Dark Side!
They turned my precious Darth Plaguseis the wise into golem 😞🤦
"my"?
The Acolyte should have been from the sith perspective about Plageuis training and search the power to create life
Honestly if they do make a second season then that could be the case. Often the first season of a series can be lacking as the world building is established. Look at the animation quality of the first season of TCW and even stories when compared with later seasons. I’m hoping it’s going to be a similar situation with the Acolyte. We’ve got the foundations of what the world is like during this era and several characters are now established to be better explored, just as we get with later seasons of other Star Wars shows.
It was from a sith perspective tho, just from the pov of a sith in the making.
Next season will definitely give us more Quimir and Plagueis
Initially that’s what it was pitched as by Headland but Disney said to go back and rewrite it for more of a Jedi perspective
I love your content! Thank you so much for the effort you put into these videos. I would really appreciate it if you made a tier list of the most powerful beings in the force, such as Revan, yoda, Bane, etc. Much like the tier list of the best duelists in Star Wars. Thank you!!!
I love these lore videos. More on Plagueis and Revan please 🙏
wait till they hear about Darth Tenebrous
Awesome video l, and very much in awe of darth plageius: a number of sith achieved essence transfer but only two found the parth of immorality. And unlike Emporer viatiate, plageius found the path to reverse againg and coporeal immorality without eternal suffering and madnesss. Truly one of a kind in power and control.
As an udea for a future debate video, i would love to see prime vader vs prime plageius explored in a who the greater sith, duelist abd power in the force.
Let me say what he said again, again!
" A WHOLE CONTINENT IN AN ENTIRE EVENING!" and he was barely fatigued afterwards :0 some of us couldn't even imagine running down the street anymore, let alone a whole a$$ continent tho! Insane but "Impressive...Most Impressive..." Nonetheless ❤
Kinda figured that was the case with Darth Plagueis, considering how Darth Sideous didnt even have the balls to challenge him face to face. But I never knew about some of the feats you just listed, damn he was an OP Beast.
Awesome video!
The way he tipped the force out of balance causing the universe to create a chosen one is very similar to lord Voldemort causing there universe to have a chosen one in harry
I really like these kind of videos so please make more! I also love all of your content!
Darth Pegasus is one of my favorite if not the best audio book I have ever listened to. I have listened to over 2000 audio books. It's not just the cold way it was written. But the accuracy and clinical exactness. I'm a fully trained and active lab assistant. The complexity and sureness of his experiments and work done in the lab are second to none.
Your the best man❤
Amazing story at the end. So, the Acolyte serves its purpose as the introduction to Darth Plagiues, The Wise. "Awesome!"
Fantastic video!
I read that book. It is excellent, one of my favorites. So yes, I knew.
He wasn’t even around the time of the acolyte supposedly takes place, they pulled a ki adi mundi
I’m new to Star Wars, so I’m wondering what makes you so sure they’ve retconned it? From what I can see, Muun lifespans are over 100 years, and The Acolyte only takes place 100 years before Episode 1, so I think it’s feasible? Genuinely curious as a newbie ✌🏻
@@JayofLemuria He would have been alive at the time, but he wouldn't be much more than twenty years old. At the time The Acolyte takes place the known pair of Sith were Darth Tenebrous and his apprentice Plagueis,
The Plagueis novel is legends, so it's a very minor thing if they changed the age a little bit from that. It's not a retcon as it wasn't canon to begin with.
The ki adi mundi thing is even sillier. People acting like the lore was broken cuz they altered the age from the back of his trading card as if that was somehow canon or in anyway relevant to any star wars story.
Facts. Plageuis was Tenebrous's apprentice for around 70 years and started when he was young. Tenebrous knew Plageuis since he was born actually. Plageuis would maybe be born at the time of the Acolyte but definitely not grown and a Sith lord yet.
more plageuis vids, hes the best
More Plagueis!!!! I live hearing more lore on this sith litd.
Questions for a video: what would plagueis have made if the yuzon-vong?, what would plagueis thoughts be on the kaminoans and especially the altered kaminoan Jedi master?, would plagueus be as powerful a Jedi as he was a sith?, if plagueis was going to essence transfer what species would he ideally want to become?, and finally, what would be plagueis’ thoughts and possible actions if he found himself in the world between worlds? Hope these get turned into great videos!
I’d ask for a Darth Plagueis show or movie, but unfortunately, I know Disney would just screw it up. Guess I’ll just re-read the novel…again. Lol
The only good thing from that episode is that he's still a Munn. I'm glad he's not human
just throw lightning and vader is toast. Of course Plagueis was a beast otherwise Sideous wouldn't have to kill him like a coward.
The power scale of canon vs legends is incomparable. If he had 1/3rd of that power in canon he would be the most powerful canon character ever displayed.
They should do a Star Wars movie or show based on Darth Plagueis .
I think the fact that Sidious got him drunk and waited till he went to sleep before he attacked him said all we needed to know.
Darth plaguis is the master chest player he wins battles by calculating the best outcome with nearly the ability to see the future but in a mathmatical sense more so. He was fast enough to speed past a camera without being seen, ( like a phantom). He was also a master dualest and able to hold a mine cavern up from collapsing till he dropped it on his master and saving himself.
The Legend of Darth Plagueis the lush.
great video! I just reread the book and love that you shared how powerful he was!
it was 2 out of his 3 hearts though ;)
Its a sith legend...
While it is Palpatine's right and duty to kill his master and take the title of Dark Lord. It's such a shame that all of Plagueis' knowledge and power had been lost on his death. Though perhaps he was never truly the same since he was gravely wouned. I hope one day we get another glimpse of his wiseness.
manipulated life, created the one of the darkest being galaxy ever saw, orchestrated the rise of the darkest days of republic. such glory, such wisdom.
I feel like Plagueis' appearance in the Acolyte was added in post due to the backlash they were getting. He is clearly all CGI and it just seems like a tacked on scene. Don't get me wrong, I like that we see him in live action finally, but I don't think he was suppose to make an appearance in the Acolyte story yet (probably figuring Disney might not get more seasons which is cause for hi earlier appearance).
But was cortosis added later too??? This is clearly Bal'demnic from Plagueis novel, which they also moved in time, the timeline of this show is all kind of messed up
Hard disagree. The show's themes are literally The Sith, The slow downfall of the jedi's golden era, and the ability of the force to create life.
Thematically it seems pretty obvious that his inclusion was always intended.
Not only did the promotional material hint at an important sith lord, but the show's first season makes a point to introduce so much EU stuff that hadn't been shown on screen yet, you'd be crazy to say the writers weren't interested in canonizing legends content from the start.
By showing him for just one scene towards the end you don't have him derail Osha and Sol's story last minute while still letting the audience know he's been playing a secret hand in all of this.
It also gives casual viewers the time in between seasons to learn about him and his significance to the expanded universe so that by the time he plays a bigger role in the next season casual fans can still appreciate the weight of the character.
If I have 6 heart and 8 lungs I would have not be tired if I ran across a continent
Peekaboo my name is plagues and my home is inside this cave. Do you want to see my cave? Peekaboo
Okay, ...im going to read the Plagueis novel again now.
Disney Plus doing a Darth Plaguis Seasonal series like American Horror Story is needed.
Someone told me anakin being created by the force to balance it out after plagueis did what he did was retconned and not the case anymore. This true?
Can you put “Disney” or “Legends” in the title please?
What about a holocron about holocrons, the differences between jedi and sith designs and functions
From Luceno novel. we learn that Plagueis came from a banker family. He should be smartly dressed in a suit and tie
I feel like I need to re-read the novel Darth Plagueis agan. I don't think I really grasped his greatness during the first read.
Call the Maladians assassins.
Yes, discuss him in greater detail
Did anyone not have chills but excitement to actually see him for the first time?. I dont think they need a second season.just leave creeper plagious
Everyone knows, that Ancient Sith Lords would crush even Palpatine.
i go to sleep every night to the Darth PLagueis audiobook everynight
I hope they dont mess Plagueis up,it might have been Legends but the story he already had was masterful imo
Hi stupendous from the UK can you do a holocron on darth krayt.
In my own head cannon, Plagueis transferred his essence into Palpatine, where he would have influence in Palpatine’s eventual Project Necromancy, in an effort to build Plagueis a new and “perfect” body.
Vader’s failure on Mustafaar is the catalyst for Plagueis to begin his contingency plan in which the newly formed galactic empire will meet its end, as well as Vader, so that he can start back at square one.
plagueis sounds like an extreme character so dark he could have started the sith
I’m just glad to see my favorite Sith come back.
Most impressive. Arguably, Plagueis' only weakness was the lack of guile, which ultimately allowed Sidious to overthrow him - and which is still kind of surprising given that Plagueis was a top-tier banker and had almost the entirety of the Rule of Two lineage behind him.
What brought him down was probably the characteristic Sith over-confidence - imagine how much of that must have a Sith Lord of Plagueis' caliber had..
Do you think you can give us power scaling videos on malgus, tulak hord, lumiya, and darth Krayt?
A fascinating Stih figure.
There's hope that We'll get to see more of Plagueis in Season 2 of the Acolyte.
Technically I got this part spoiled, but this encouraged me to check out acolyte. Idk wtf fans are complaining about, I thought it was awesome!!!! So thank you for giving me the final push 😊
I think plagues is one of the most interesting characters in Star Wars. I honestly can’t wait until they finally make a TV show about him and his apprentice Palpatine.
AND HE LIVES IN A CAVE TOO LOL
I wish they made a series about Plagueis
Darth Plaguis trembled when he saw Vader in force vison at his power and anger
Yes, but that’s the one from the book. God knows what they’ll do with him in the show.
Plagueis manipulated the weather on that planet intentionally
It was good to see Darth Plagueis in the Acolyte 🔥
#RenewTheAcolyte
I hope they do a second season at some point. There are so many other loose ends to tie up!
It would be great to see these levels of power represented in the movies or shows.
You may have already done this one, but i would like to see what yoda was like in his prime and how he became grand master
You must remember that Tenebrous had Plageous bred to be stronger in the Force.
I would to hear more about Plagueis
I will be very interested in how they manage to encapsulate all of this in a TV show. Even just a fraction of this would be plot altering.
Plageuis may have been the most powerful Sith of the Bane line. Plageuis had the ability to actually increase his midichlorian count.
I just ordered the Darth Plageus novel. I’m excited to read it!!! I knew about Plageus before and it makes sense palpatine had to get him drunk and passed out to kill him
I'd love to see a power scaling video for Darth Malgus and Vitiate
This could be why palp worked so hard to conceal himself.
Damn I didn't know he was THAT powerful, no but it's cool af.
A surgeon of the force needing no tools but his mind...
I remember watching a Plagueis vs Obi-Wan lightsaber battle and they made Obi win...
Big kek lmao on that one, Plagueis would've ragdolled him.
And to answer your question, YES more Plagueis lore. Let's at least make the most out of the Acolyte by sparking our interest in other things.
Personally, I think that Andeddu is possibly one of the strongest or more powerful Sith Lords. Would definitely like to see a video on him.
i think the way theyre going with everything in acolyte the ritual that created anakin was either taken by plagueis from the witches in which he perfected it or the witches were servants of plagueis and almost perfected what he was attempting giving him the step he needed to perfect it but idk