I liked this era of the Sith for their hypocrisy and weakness of ideology. These Sith were something akin to old money, who had gained much via inheritance but had no understanding of its value. This, culminating in Palpatine electrocuting his drunk, sleeping master who had still not fully tested his own theories (which Sidious would later need to become immortal, but were now lost to time since he had never truly eclipsed Plagueis in skill beyond political maneuvering.)
I've read a theory that Palpatine did actually achieve immortality. When Palpatine tells Luke to strike him down with all his hatred, Luke actually killing Palpatine would allow him to possess Luke. The son of the chosen one would naturally have unbelievably high midichlorions, meaning Palpatine would have achieved the goal of his predecessors. The theory goes on that if Palpatine killed Plagueis and each sith before them killed their master maybe Darth Bane is simply the one and only Sith, possessing each apprentice after the next
I like this era as well, for a reason you yourself stated in a video a long time ago. This era of Sith werent overtly important people. They weren't warriors, combatants, political leaders, or anyone blatantly obviously influencing the world. They were scientists, engineers bankers. were connected people who could influence the Galaxy in subtle and deep ways all hidden in the shadows. They didnt need to fight in the open, they could finance or supply armies with machines or tech to suit their ends and be relatively unknown for their actions.
@@joshdunne8792Bane attemp at possesing Zannah failed though, only a little part of his essence went into her. But yeah, both canonical and EU Sidious mastered the essence transfer
Yep leave it to a Sith to leave some world changing technology like essence transfer on the shelf just so they can kill their master, the only tool in the galaxy that understands the science, and slip onto their throne.
Darth Tenebrous is a character thats growing on me not only because I like the Bith Species in general but he sounds like one of the Smartest Sith lords that ever existed, All others were warriors and combatants whereas Tenebrous was more of a Evil Scientist which I find more interesting
I like the Sith which play less than obvious important roles - but still deeply influential ones. Tenacious was a scientist and engineer, he was able to supply armies ans governments of his choosing to further his own and the Siths plans, as well as funding himself and influencing the Galaxy at large. Plagueis was a banker, and as weve seen in our own world, banking is the less obvious but far more influential aspect of economically influencing the world. They arent explicit combatants, they aren't politicians and they remain in the shadows, but heavily influence events and make connections for the next in the Line of the Rule of Two.
@@mellowyello1478Plagueis was also a scientist. He spent decades of his life learning sith alchemy and biology to understand how to control the midichlorians, which eventually lead to a ritual that spawned Anakin Skywalker from the Force. In many ways, he might even have been a far more committed scientist than his master, slaving away in his state of the art laboratory.
I like how neither Plagueis nor Tenebrous really respected lightsabers, but Tenebrous still enjoyed a duel. I imagine a saber battle is a great way to let oneself slip into the dark side, it's violent, it puts strain on the physical form, and it's extremely dangerous. All good things for sinking oneself deeper into the darkside of the force. It was one of Starkiller's, essentially, meditation methods, typically enjoying his spars with his droid Proxy.
Agreed. Sideous is kinda unique, in that he considered Lightsabers to be a Jedi weapon, and that the Sith had evolved beyond the need for them. Since he was either the best swordsman in the galaxy, or tied with Yoda, depending on how you interpret the outcome of their duel in the Senate Rotunda, it actually does make a lot of sense. He destroyed the Jedi Order while only killing 3 Jedi with his own lightsaber. For him, it was more a contingency plan than anything else. A backup plan, in case he was cornered, as he of course was by Mace and the other 3 cannon fodder- I mean Jedi.
@@stooge389Imagine if Sidious had focused more on being a warrior instead of a sorcerer. He was already in the top tier of all lightsaber duelists in the galaxy, having obliterated three of the finest blade beings in a matter of seconds and holding his own against both Mace and Yoda. If he had more of warrior "build", I seriously doubt that anyone would have been able to defeat him in combat.
@@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. He already focused on lightsaber. Realized it was his limits amd he cant improve beyond and decided gaining knowledge is far superior. Well, esch their own, but I doubt he would get any better.
@@ketamineheadyoda2248 Perhaps. I guess his biggest limit was his frail body coupled with age. A much younger Sidious coupled with his ROTS power would have throttled everyone. Basically, DE Sidious Lite.
@stooge389 Palpatines mind was his greatest weapon he destroyed the jedi order and no one seen it coming until it was to late and as you pount out he has only killed 3 jedi in doing so with his saber that is a true demon the seeds of corruption he planted were unstoppable
Anyone who made the Plagueis novel into a movie would butcher it because the novel could never be adapted into a movie. The narrative is way too long and complex. It would need to be a tv show, probably with multiple seasons.
yup, Star Wars has a problem with time, like the Clone Wars is a fantastic setting and has a lot of interesting ideas, but its a conflic of 3 YEARS, shorter than half of IRL wars. It would have been great if the Empire and the Emperor took way more time to fall
I like how Tenebrous and Plagueis are one of few force users with a rationalist outlook on the Force. Most Force users, even the Sith, treat the Force as this mystic, religious phenomenon but Nome and Damask treat the Force in an almost entirely scientific manner. It's a unique perspective and I wish we saw more characters use this angle I do wonder if the particularly shameful ends of Tenebrous and Plagueis were because the Force itself held them in a special contempt for "demystifying" it. If Palpatine's end was the Force acting in a sort of self-defense, their end was the Force repaying an insult
I think the scientific angle was just one way that the Force explores a dichotomy. In this case science versus mysticism. As much that Tenebrous and Plageus twisted force cells their very act of comprehending the force scientifically laid the groundwork for the jedi prophecy to come true in the form of Anakin Skywalker as the Force converged on Tatooine.
The fact Tenebrous was done in by his own force ability should say all that's needed in the "if he was strong enough to become a Sith Emperor." debate.
That's how it always goes for the sith. Ultimately they are foolish, and waste their time on foolish plans. They're completely corrupted, unable to see the wisdom in forsaking evil. So like the jedi say, they're now enslaved to it.
@@enermaxstephens1051 And the jedi are enslaved to their own morality and code- They’re on the opposite extreme of the spectrum. You need a balance, both the Jedi and Sith were wrong.
Tenebrous after Plagueis turns on him: 'Huh, this is a new feeling, pride in someone else... Unfortunately, it's overshadowed by all this unyielding rage!'
Tenbrous actually set in motion the downfall of the rule of 2 sith by starting to deviate from the banite tradition leading to palpatine who cared nothing for teaching a worthy successor but only in manipulating powerful beings and broken beings he could fool into believing he actually valued as his students. Palptine wanted to start the rule of 1 and that and his inablility to see the light in vader and overestimated how far he could push him.
Tenebrous and his “Maxichlorians” kinda remind me of Voldemort and his use age of horocruxes, and how his ultimate fate left him in limbo and invisible to the rest of the world.
Of course it does. The whole Harry Potter story is one big Star Wars rip off. An chosen orphan (Luke) boy who's parents got murdered by an evil wizard (Palps) and their followers rises up after being trained by a good wizard (Obi Wan). The only real difference is Vader. SW did a way better job in that area. Harry Potter is fun but it's like the diet soda version of the SW story.
Plagueis was strong but blind and ignorant. He didn’t see the writing on the wall when Maul was being dispatched by Sidious… it’s clear to see he was training maul to for apprenticeship not just a Sith assassin
My head cannon will always have Plagueis as the "fussy Jewish mother" type, among dark lords of the sith "Eat! _Eat,_ you need to *EAT!* Look at you! The moment you declare yourself a Dark Lord, someone is just gonna pick you up like a stick and throw you in a hole- *_YOU NEED TO EAT!_* The dark side is _very_ taxing! You should have seen my *last* sith apprentice, now there was a force user with an appetite!" Sidious: - growls - * grips fork * *"Oh!* *_GO AHEAD!_* Embrace the dark side against me, _see what I do to you!"_
I think Sidious uses the force to cloud Plagueis mind or maybe the Dark Side of the force just saw Sidious as a natural progression and clouded Plagueis just enough for Sidious to catch him unaware and kill him.
I recall another video talking about Plagueis killing his master, & you didn't explain in either one HOW Plagueis escaped. The following is from the Darth Plagueis Legends page on Wookiepedia: After accessing the damaged ship, he realized that he could not repair it, nor could he use the Force to reach the oculus that led to the surface. So he set to work on removing the rubble from the ship using telekinesis and adding the rocks to a rubble pile he could climb to reach the surface. After he had completed his task, he entered the cockpit and retrieved his travel bag, which contained, among other effects, his lightsaber, a change of clothes, and a comlink, and also took Tenebrous's lightsaber and comlink.
As a Sith Lord, getting squashed by falling rocks is a pretty dishonorable death. Quite fitting for someone who turned his back on the force, thinking super weapons were the future.
Imagine if Tenebrous instead embraced the Force and incorporated it into the technological advancements he wanted to make, a lá the Rakatan Infinite Empire? Maybe even inspired to do so by the Rakatans, as an even more ancient group of dark-side wielders whom pre-dated the Sith and even played a role in the creation of the first Sith holocron. The Rakatans were able to create a bunch of crazy tech and even a superweapon known as the Starforge by combining the Force with the technology they used. I like the idea of a Bane lineage Sith like Tenebrous with his more rational approach to Force abilities looking at that and going "imma yoink these ideas"
Too bad so sad for Tenebrous he misinterpreted Plagueis quickly passing at the hands of his apprentice as Plagueis lived for hundreds of years before encountering Palpatine.
Yeah, from what I recall, I think he he said he was a score - give or take - over a hundred when he began training palpatine. Super intelligent and thorough. Yet, he failed to sense palpatine's relentless ambition. I really don't know why he thought they could be co-supreme chancellor. When the hell have the sith really been able to thrive as equalls.
Plagueis found Palpatine almost immediately after killing his master. He didn't wait centuries to find a new apprentice (that would be incredibly reckless for a Sith Lord); it was one of his top priorities, and he found him quickly.
To me the last couple of generations of Sith are misguided. Tenebrous and plagueis both fell further and further from the goals of the Rile of 2 sith. I think both deserved their fates
It’s interesting to use the word “generation” regarding the Sith during the years of two. As 1 generation = 1 individual; but reflects the scheme of gaining control of the galaxy through concentrating the dark side with 2 individuals in a shared objective through the generations.
The problem I have with the story of the Sith is just one thing. The Sith did not get the same time to dedicated training like the Jedi did. Ok in the story it works but really the Sith would not be able to keep up with the Jedi because it would be impossible to to dedicate the same amount of time as the Jedi.
Ah, at first this sounds like a bloody brilliant sadistic plan... _at first!_ But, unleashing some kinda pathogen like that would kinda be hard to control once it's released. (I'm making the assumption this force poison would be in an airborne form) Wouldn't they be taking a risk a little too big that they too _could_ be "cut"? {lab accident, stupidity, the wind changes direction ;) } I don't think this was _really_ well thought out! But, I guess as there are smart Sith, there must be dumb Sith. Addendum: I didn't like Plagueis at all, until I recently got back into the novels and now I think he's totally WIK! I neither like nor dislike Tenebrous from what I've read and heard, but I do think he didn't "get" how the force worked and therefore would never reach whatever his potential was.
@@darthbane3937 you know what? As soon as I'm finished book 3 of Aftermath, I'm going to re-read Plagueis! thanks, it seems I have to work on my reading retention or slow down on my consumption!
Darth Tenebrous is similar to Darth Traya except the only difference is that Traya believes in the will of the Force which ironically is the reason why she wanted to cut off its connection to the galaxy.
Why does Tenebrous look like that couple from South Park with asses as faces who think Kenny is their lost son when he moons the camera for the school yearbook? 😂
After that vision of the Chosen One to Tenebrous that’s when the Sith Grand Plan began to slowly unfold years before Sidious took the rank of Sith Master.
And Then Lord Venomous thinking himself the true heir to the Sith Lord declared himself such. He would soon find an apprentice to follow the will of his master teaching. He would take young Jar Jar binks under his wing with the intention of pushing events so that it seemed that Sidious's plans would come to fruition, only to wait until the right time to strike and take the fools empire from him.
My head cannon will always have Plagueis as the "fussy Jewish mother" type, among dark lords of the sith "Eat! _Eat,_ you need to *EAT!* Look at you! The moment you declare yourself a Dark Lord, someone is just gonna pick you up like a stick and throw you in a hole- *_YOU NEED TO EAT!_* The dark side is _very_ taxing! You should have seen my *last* sith apprentice, now there was a force user with an appetite!" Sidious: - growls - * grips fork * *"Oh!* *_GO AHEAD!_* Embrace the dark side against me, _see what I do to you!"_
I like how all the artist renditions of Tenebrous have him wearing a respirator. He never wore one. The only time he wore one is when he went to the planet of Bal'demnic and go into a cave testing Cortosis ore. Other than that he didn’t wear one. Darth Plagueis didn’t wear one until about 30 years before his death because of a assassination attempt. Artist need to stop making Sith Lords with respirators….They all didn’t need them!
The rule of 2, as was imagined by Darth Bane, died with Tenebrous. Actually, perhaps his master. Tenebrous, like Plageuis, and Sidious had no intention of teaching his apprentice everything he knew. Given the fact that Sidious had to sneak attack Plageuis, and Plageuis had to sneak attack Tenebrous; it seems like Tenebrous was probably stronger than either Plageuis or Sidious. I know it's basically confirmed that Sidious was the strongest Sith of all time, but ehhh; was he really? lol
I am a Sith with many names, Sinister, Vicious, Malicious, Malevolent, but I go by Lord Odious Malefic. Tenebrae or darkness I bring. late Middle English: via Old French from Latin tenebrosus, from tenebrae ‘darkness’. ‘Evil’. a manifestation of profound immorality and wickedness, especially in people's actions. (Similar words: Bane) Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked. (Similar words: Sinister, Vicious, Malicious, Malevolent ) Evil: (of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil. (Similar words: Malefic). I see where Grand Master Lucas: Luke means "light-giving" in Latin. Lucas is a variation of the name Luke. got names from.
He got connections in the trade federation using his own work , fighting style - also vision and ideas to win his fights . He is wanted men in the galaxy who can defend himself and he is protected by sith code.
This is extremely stupid and arrogant of Tenebrous. Very stupid. I understand why Plagueis killed him. He was complete failure. It's good he was destroyed. He had great potential,maybe he could became Sith Emperor. But his arrogance and stupidity got better of him. But he was unworthy. Other Sith ghosts confirm it. May the Force be with you too😊
My head cannon will always have Plagueis as the "fussy Jewish mother" type, among dark lords of the sith "Eat! _Eat,_ you need to *EAT!* Look at you! The moment you declare yourself a Dark Lord, someone is just gonna pick you up like a stick and throw you in a hole- *_YOU NEED TO EAT!_* The dark side is _very_ taxing! You should have seen my *last* sith apprentice, now there was a force user with an appetite!" Sidious: - growls - * grips fork * *"Oh!* *_GO AHEAD!_* Embrace the dark side against me, _see what I do to you!"_
He really was unworthy. I always believed that the Sith Code was the ultimate path to the Dark Side. Plus always wanted a Sith to take note of the fact that the code mentions Passion but not anger or hatred. I'd say that anger and hatred are part of passion but by not embracing other passionate emotions too they limit their strength, limit their victories and fail to break their chains. But yeah, found Tenebrous to be annoying from the start of the novel so he got what he deserved.
So it just clicked for me, there was another video saying the Sith get the Darth name based on what the force calls them as insults, Vader meaning father was an especially cruel one since he would never truly become a father, and with venomess it was mocking him for how he would one day be poisoned
Did you forget to mention how darth tenebrous's twi'lek master caused a rift in the force? Allowing the jedi on coruscant to feel the darkside for the first time in centuries. That was the inauguration, the precursor to beginning the end of grand plan.
I’ve read the book numerous times , there was a space port on the planet 🌎 why on gods green earth did Tenabrus think his highly trained incredibly strong apprentice would not make it to the space port ?
Many of the ancient sith tried to conquer the galaxy through pure force and weapons. Most notably malak and the star forge. Malak came closer than anyone else did, but he still failed. The sith would always fail to conquer through brute force alone.
I liked this era of the Sith for their hypocrisy and weakness of ideology. These Sith were something akin to old money, who had gained much via inheritance but had no understanding of its value. This, culminating in Palpatine electrocuting his drunk, sleeping master who had still not fully tested his own theories (which Sidious would later need to become immortal, but were now lost to time since he had never truly eclipsed Plagueis in skill beyond political maneuvering.)
I've read a theory that Palpatine did actually achieve immortality. When Palpatine tells Luke to strike him down with all his hatred, Luke actually killing Palpatine would allow him to possess Luke. The son of the chosen one would naturally have unbelievably high midichlorions, meaning Palpatine would have achieved the goal of his predecessors. The theory goes on that if Palpatine killed Plagueis and each sith before them killed their master maybe Darth Bane is simply the one and only Sith, possessing each apprentice after the next
I like this era as well, for a reason you yourself stated in a video a long time ago.
This era of Sith werent overtly important people. They weren't warriors, combatants, political leaders, or anyone blatantly obviously influencing the world.
They were scientists, engineers bankers. were connected people who could influence the Galaxy in subtle and deep ways all hidden in the shadows. They didnt need to fight in the open, they could finance or supply armies with machines or tech to suit their ends and be relatively unknown for their actions.
The hell are you doing here?!?! shouldn't you be making barely acceptable animated furry porn for RUclips right about now?
@@joshdunne8792Bane attemp at possesing Zannah failed though, only a little part of his essence went into her. But yeah, both canonical and EU Sidious mastered the essence transfer
Yep leave it to a Sith to leave some world changing technology like essence transfer on the shelf just so they can kill their master, the only tool in the galaxy that understands the science, and slip onto their throne.
The worst thing about Darth Tenebrous: He never told his apprentice the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise.
Good one
Have you ever hear .....
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Ahem
It's not a story a Sith Master would tell him.
Darth Tenebrous is a character thats growing on me not only because I like the Bith Species in general but he sounds like one of the Smartest Sith lords that ever existed, All others were warriors and combatants whereas Tenebrous was more of a Evil Scientist which I find more interesting
yeah i think hes cool
I like that he aknowledged that he wasnt the most powerful and used science to surpass his limitiions
in theory anyway :p
I like the Sith which play less than obvious important roles - but still deeply influential ones.
Tenacious was a scientist and engineer, he was able to supply armies ans governments of his choosing to further his own and the Siths plans, as well as funding himself and influencing the Galaxy at large.
Plagueis was a banker, and as weve seen in our own world, banking is the less obvious but far more influential aspect of economically influencing the world.
They arent explicit combatants, they aren't politicians and they remain in the shadows, but heavily influence events and make connections for the next in the Line of the Rule of Two.
Thank you
@@mellowyello1478Plagueis was also a scientist. He spent decades of his life learning sith alchemy and biology to understand how to control the midichlorians, which eventually lead to a ritual that spawned Anakin Skywalker from the Force. In many ways, he might even have been a far more committed scientist than his master, slaving away in his state of the art laboratory.
Did you hear about darth vectivus the kind?
I like how neither Plagueis nor Tenebrous really respected lightsabers, but Tenebrous still enjoyed a duel. I imagine a saber battle is a great way to let oneself slip into the dark side, it's violent, it puts strain on the physical form, and it's extremely dangerous. All good things for sinking oneself deeper into the darkside of the force. It was one of Starkiller's, essentially, meditation methods, typically enjoying his spars with his droid Proxy.
Agreed. Sideous is kinda unique, in that he considered Lightsabers to be a Jedi weapon, and that the Sith had evolved beyond the need for them. Since he was either the best swordsman in the galaxy, or tied with Yoda, depending on how you interpret the outcome of their duel in the Senate Rotunda, it actually does make a lot of sense. He destroyed the Jedi Order while only killing 3 Jedi with his own lightsaber. For him, it was more a contingency plan than anything else. A backup plan, in case he was cornered, as he of course was by Mace and the other 3 cannon fodder- I mean Jedi.
@@stooge389Imagine if Sidious had focused more on being a warrior instead of a sorcerer. He was already in the top tier of all lightsaber duelists in the galaxy, having obliterated three of the finest blade beings in a matter of seconds and holding his own against both Mace and Yoda. If he had more of warrior "build", I seriously doubt that anyone would have been able to defeat him in combat.
@@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. He already focused on lightsaber. Realized it was his limits amd he cant improve beyond and decided gaining knowledge is far superior. Well, esch their own, but I doubt he would get any better.
@@ketamineheadyoda2248 Perhaps. I guess his biggest limit was his frail body coupled with age. A much younger Sidious coupled with his ROTS power would have throttled everyone. Basically, DE Sidious Lite.
@stooge389 Palpatines mind was his greatest weapon he destroyed the jedi order and no one seen it coming until it was to late and as you pount out he has only killed 3 jedi in doing so with his saber that is a true demon the seeds of corruption he planted were unstoppable
"Meesa will prove to be a more bombad annoying Sith Lord than Tenebrous."
LMAO
True as Jar Jar is Plaegis.
The Darth Plagueis novel is so good, I'm honestly glad Disney didn't make it into a movie. They would butcher it in the blink of an eye.
Anyone who made the Plagueis novel into a movie would butcher it because the novel could never be adapted into a movie. The narrative is way too long and complex. It would need to be a tv show, probably with multiple seasons.
Here here!! The book is phenomenal! I’m almost at the end of it
they would have done a great job turning Plagueis into a trans pakistani woman/man whos trying to "find her/himself" in the force...
It should only be a matter of months before you can put that book into an AI and get the movie you always wanted.
If you liked his book, Banes are unbelievable, the first esp.
Love to think that Tenebrous and Vader could have bonded over starship design.
Imagine both of them having a pod race
@@Joe-h4i1939 Sidious loved them too can you imagine that big sith family? lol
@@andrefigueredo34😂😂😂
I think you make a good point
Siths don't bond.
It's actually sad that the Sith only ruled for 20ish years after thousands of years of planning. 😢😢😢
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while in real life only siths ruling
yup, Star Wars has a problem with time, like the Clone Wars is a fantastic setting and has a lot of interesting ideas, but its a conflic of 3 YEARS, shorter than half of IRL wars. It would have been great if the Empire and the Emperor took way more time to fall
@@hjjuuhhhhfffThey've all been corrupted by the dark side.
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I get what you mean, but think that this is 3 years of a GALAXY-SPANNING WAR. Imagine the scale of carnage and death.
I like how Tenebrous and Plagueis are one of few force users with a rationalist outlook on the Force. Most Force users, even the Sith, treat the Force as this mystic, religious phenomenon but Nome and Damask treat the Force in an almost entirely scientific manner. It's a unique perspective and I wish we saw more characters use this angle
I do wonder if the particularly shameful ends of Tenebrous and Plagueis were because the Force itself held them in a special contempt for "demystifying" it. If Palpatine's end was the Force acting in a sort of self-defense, their end was the Force repaying an insult
I think the scientific angle was just one way that the Force explores a dichotomy. In this case science versus mysticism. As much that Tenebrous and Plageus twisted force cells their very act of comprehending the force scientifically laid the groundwork for the jedi prophecy to come true in the form of Anakin Skywalker as the Force converged on Tatooine.
The fact Tenebrous was done in by his own force ability should say all that's needed in the "if he was strong enough to become a Sith Emperor." debate.
Dude pulled a Twilight Zone on himself, wanted immortality, got it and instantly regretted it
"A hell of his own creation, without even a mouth with which to scream." Fantastic reference! The writing for these videos is enchantingly good.
Dharr Mann plots be like:
That's how it always goes for the sith. Ultimately they are foolish, and waste their time on foolish plans. They're completely corrupted, unable to see the wisdom in forsaking evil. So like the jedi say, they're now enslaved to it.
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And the jedi are enslaved to their own morality and code- They’re on the opposite extreme of the spectrum. You need a balance, both the Jedi and Sith were wrong.
@@AlphaQHardThere's likely some jedi that aren't as hardcore though. So those would be the ones that are more lax. The sit get overtaken.
Love the fact that on korriban the ghost ignored plagueis but wanted to kill sidious lol
Tenebrous after Plagueis turns on him: 'Huh, this is a new feeling, pride in someone else... Unfortunately, it's overshadowed by all this unyielding rage!'
Nice one.
"There is no problem that Bith science can't solve!" -Darth Annoying.
Tenbrous actually set in motion the downfall of the rule of 2 sith by starting to deviate from the banite tradition leading to palpatine who cared nothing for teaching a worthy successor but only in manipulating powerful beings and broken beings he could fool into believing he actually valued as his students. Palptine wanted to start the rule of 1 and that and his inablility to see the light in vader and overestimated how far he could push him.
Tenebrous was a founding member, in the original Max Reebo Band.
Tenebrous and his “Maxichlorians” kinda remind me of Voldemort and his use age of horocruxes, and how his ultimate fate left him in limbo and invisible to the rest of the world.
Of course it does. The whole Harry Potter story is one big Star Wars rip off. An chosen orphan (Luke) boy who's parents got murdered by an evil wizard (Palps) and their followers rises up after being trained by a good wizard (Obi Wan). The only real difference is Vader. SW did a way better job in that area. Harry Potter is fun but it's like the diet soda version of the SW story.
Nah. Plagueis reminds me more of no-nose-having-ass Voldemort because of their similar faces.
Nonsense. There are so many differences. You are talking about archetypes which are present in most fantasy stories. @@mrjuse5470
It's actually like Tenebrae the sith Emperor, who did the same thing as a backup plan.
The Plagueis book is just perfection. It'd still my favorite to this date and there have been plenty of solid ones....
Plagueis was strong but blind and ignorant. He didn’t see the writing on the wall when Maul was being dispatched by Sidious… it’s clear to see he was training maul to for apprenticeship not just a Sith assassin
My head cannon will always have Plagueis as the "fussy Jewish mother" type, among dark lords of the sith
"Eat! _Eat,_ you need to *EAT!* Look at you! The moment you declare yourself a Dark Lord, someone is just gonna pick you up like a stick and throw you in a hole-
*_YOU NEED TO EAT!_*
The dark side is _very_ taxing! You should have seen my *last* sith apprentice, now there was a force user with an appetite!"
Sidious: - growls - * grips fork *
*"Oh!* *_GO AHEAD!_* Embrace the dark side against me, _see what I do to you!"_
I think Sidious uses the force to cloud Plagueis mind or maybe the Dark Side of the force just saw Sidious as a natural progression and clouded Plagueis just enough for Sidious to catch him unaware and kill him.
@@aswinastrothat’s true.. also him getting his master shitfaced drunk while reciting his acceptance speech.. dude was cunning and evil as shit
We all know that the real reason is the 3 a.m. saxophone solo which kept Plagues awake for years.
Lol, his master was one of the cantina band members 😂😂
I find it very interesting that cannon (legends) explored Darth Tenebrous' ideology to it's logical conclusion in the existence of Vong.
Darth Atheism
Darth Redditus
He should have pursued a career as a musician in the Mos Isley Cantina
I recall another video talking about Plagueis killing his master, & you didn't explain in either one HOW Plagueis escaped. The following is from the Darth Plagueis Legends page on Wookiepedia:
After accessing the damaged ship, he realized that he could not repair it, nor could he use the Force to reach the oculus that led to the surface. So he set to work on removing the rubble from the ship using telekinesis and adding the rocks to a rubble pile he could climb to reach the surface. After he had completed his task, he entered the cockpit and retrieved his travel bag, which contained, among other effects, his lightsaber, a change of clothes, and a comlink, and also took Tenebrous's lightsaber and comlink.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Tenebrous the Annoying?
*Cantina band implodes*
As a Sith Lord, getting squashed by falling rocks is a pretty dishonorable death. Quite fitting for someone who turned his back on the force, thinking super weapons were the future.
"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
Imagine if Tenebrous instead embraced the Force and incorporated it into the technological advancements he wanted to make, a lá the Rakatan Infinite Empire? Maybe even inspired to do so by the Rakatans, as an even more ancient group of dark-side wielders whom pre-dated the Sith and even played a role in the creation of the first Sith holocron. The Rakatans were able to create a bunch of crazy tech and even a superweapon known as the Starforge by combining the Force with the technology they used. I like the idea of a Bane lineage Sith like Tenebrous with his more rational approach to Force abilities looking at that and going "imma yoink these ideas"
A Bith Sith? That son of a Bith!
The title for this one hooked me immediately haha. Only thing I can think of is "The sith version of Obi Wan" like .... the troll sith
Too bad so sad for Tenebrous he misinterpreted Plagueis quickly passing at the hands of his apprentice as Plagueis lived for hundreds of years before encountering Palpatine.
Yeah, from what I recall, I think he he said he was a score - give or take - over a hundred when he began training palpatine. Super intelligent and thorough. Yet, he failed to sense palpatine's relentless ambition. I really don't know why he thought they could be co-supreme chancellor. When the hell have the sith really been able to thrive as equalls.
Plagueis found Palpatine almost immediately after killing his master.
He didn't wait centuries to find a new apprentice (that would be incredibly reckless for a Sith Lord); it was one of his top priorities, and he found him quickly.
hundreds of years? I don't think it was that long, I think maybe around 50.
They just said Darth Tenebrous was supper pissed that Dark Plagueius risked both their lives just to kill him and gain higher rank alone.
To me the last couple of generations of Sith are misguided. Tenebrous and plagueis both fell further and further from the goals of the Rile of 2 sith. I think both deserved their fates
Misguided, short sighted, and arrogant but also the most powerful and knowledgeable of the rule of 2 era. I include Sidious in that as well
Darth Tenebrous: You ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Darth Plagueis: Well of course I know him, he's me
It’s interesting to use the word “generation” regarding the Sith during the years of two. As 1 generation = 1 individual; but reflects the scheme of gaining control of the galaxy through concentrating the dark side with 2 individuals in a shared objective through the generations.
*Darth Smeagle the precious* 😂
To think if Tenebrous trained Sidious instead of Plagueis.
Teneberus on RUclips: First.
Plagues: *sigh* This is why you are a fool.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Tenebrous the Smart? It's a Bith Legend. 🤫
Tenebrous was weak...let us true Sith only praise his research and his apprentice. Sidious was taught well
Tenebrous definitely was not weak but I’ll let you continue to be wrong
Want tenembrouse one of the 3 sith that could use red force lightning? along darth nihilus and mortis god the son?
The problem I have with the story of the Sith is just one thing. The Sith did not get the same time to dedicated training like the Jedi did. Ok in the story it works but really the Sith would not be able to keep up with the Jedi because it would be impossible to to dedicate the same amount of time as the Jedi.
@jacquesdemolay4516why it lose then
how come you called Darth Tenebris annoying in the title but then never explained what you meant by that?
Force Intolerance
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Ah, at first this sounds like a bloody brilliant sadistic plan... _at first!_ But, unleashing some kinda pathogen like that would kinda be hard to control once it's released. (I'm making the assumption this force poison would be in an airborne form) Wouldn't they be taking a risk a little too big that they too _could_ be "cut"? {lab accident, stupidity, the wind changes direction ;) } I don't think this was _really_ well thought out! But, I guess as there are smart Sith, there must be dumb Sith. Addendum: I didn't like Plagueis at all, until I recently got back into the novels and now I think he's totally WIK! I neither like nor dislike Tenebrous from what I've read and heard, but I do think he didn't "get" how the force worked and therefore would never reach whatever his potential was.
@@darthbane3937 oh good! I guess we think alike because I totally didn't remember that! Oops! Hope you have a swell evening.
@@darthbane3937 you know what? As soon as I'm finished book 3 of Aftermath, I'm going to re-read Plagueis! thanks, it seems I have to work on my reading retention or slow down on my consumption!
Why was he annoying though?
Darth Tenebrous is similar to Darth Traya except the only difference is that Traya believes in the will of the Force which ironically is the reason why she wanted to cut off its connection to the galaxy.
Why does Tenebrous look like that couple from South Park with asses as faces who think Kenny is their lost son when he moons the camera for the school yearbook? 😂
Im Thinking Tenebrous is the hidden Sith in the Acolyte, prior to him tutoring Plagueis
Perhaps Tenebrous' name should've been changed to Darth Dumbassus. He proved to be more shortsighted than he thought he was.
After that vision of the Chosen One to Tenebrous that’s when the Sith Grand Plan began to slowly unfold years before Sidious took the rank of Sith Master.
12:20 I see what you did there. Nice shout out lol
i love darth tenebrous dawg, thank you so much for making this. thank you.
Satan:
"What can I say. Lord Tenebrous is having a Hell of a time now. A Hell of his own creation. So ... beautiful."
Someone call?
I have no respirator and I must scream.
And Then Lord Venomous thinking himself the true heir to the Sith Lord declared himself such. He would soon find an apprentice to follow the will of his master teaching. He would take young Jar Jar binks under his wing with the intention of pushing events so that it seemed that Sidious's plans would come to fruition, only to wait until the right time to strike and take the fools empire from him.
I've always loved how pictures of Darth plagueis looks like he has two faces if you look from his nose down and ignore the top part of his head
My head cannon will always have Plagueis as the "fussy Jewish mother" type, among dark lords of the sith
"Eat! _Eat,_ you need to *EAT!* Look at you! The moment you declare yourself a Dark Lord, someone is just gonna pick you up like a stick and throw you in a hole-
*_YOU NEED TO EAT!_*
The dark side is _very_ taxing! You should have seen my *last* sith apprentice, now there was a force user with an appetite!"
Sidious: - growls - * grips fork *
*"Oh!* *_GO AHEAD!_* Embrace the dark side against me, _see what I do to you!"_
Eventually, Tenebris stopped thinking.
Listening to the audiobook and I'm a huge fan of Plagueis. Never seen Acolyte, but I just hope the writers don't mess it up.
Ah, he got golden wind requiemed. That's rough.
I like how all the artist renditions of Tenebrous have him wearing a respirator. He never wore one. The only time he wore one is when he went to the planet of Bal'demnic and go into a cave testing Cortosis ore. Other than that he didn’t wear one. Darth Plagueis didn’t wear one until about 30 years before his death because of a assassination attempt. Artist need to stop making Sith Lords with respirators….They all didn’t need them!
What’s the background ost
The kindest I could say of Tenebrous is that he seems a pale imitation to Emperor Vitiate.
Nobody:
5:25 Sidious:
Maranax Infirmux!
I wonder how Tenebrous and Kreia would get along.
Seperate from the force...Are you sure they are not part of Kreia's faction?
And do they have any way to protect themself from their own bioweapon
The rule of 2, as was imagined by Darth Bane, died with Tenebrous. Actually, perhaps his master. Tenebrous, like Plageuis, and Sidious had no intention of teaching his apprentice everything he knew.
Given the fact that Sidious had to sneak attack Plageuis, and Plageuis had to sneak attack Tenebrous; it seems like Tenebrous was probably stronger than either Plageuis or Sidious. I know it's basically confirmed that Sidious was the strongest Sith of all time, but ehhh; was he really? lol
I am a Sith with many names, Sinister, Vicious, Malicious, Malevolent, but I go by Lord Odious Malefic. Tenebrae or darkness I bring. late Middle English: via Old French from Latin tenebrosus, from tenebrae ‘darkness’.
‘Evil’. a manifestation of profound immorality and wickedness, especially in people's actions. (Similar words: Bane) Evil: profoundly immoral and wicked. (Similar words: Sinister, Vicious, Malicious, Malevolent ) Evil: (of a force or spirit) embodying or associated with the forces of the devil. (Similar words: Malefic). I see where Grand Master Lucas: Luke means "light-giving" in Latin. Lucas is a variation of the name Luke. got names from.
Little reminder that the cantina band members were the same species as Tenebrous.
He got connections in the trade federation using his own work , fighting style - also vision and ideas to win his fights . He is wanted men in the galaxy who can defend himself and he is protected by sith code.
Seems like he would get along well with Darth Kreia.
This video was excellent , really well done
Every Sith ends up getting betrayed and every Sith thinks they can avoid this fate.
5:01 villager minecraft
I have no mouth, and I must scream.
thats interesting, where does the info on tenebrous final story of the repeating cycles come from?
Nice Elison reference
This is extremely stupid and arrogant of Tenebrous. Very stupid. I understand why Plagueis killed him. He was complete failure. It's good he was destroyed. He had great potential,maybe he could became Sith Emperor. But his arrogance and stupidity got better of him. But he was unworthy. Other Sith ghosts confirm it. May the Force be with you too😊
I believe Palpatine basically used a combination of both of the Grand Plans of his Master and Grandmaster, which was so genius.
Thankfully he found a few mates and formed a band on Tatooine. Phew.
Good advertisement for studying the Light Side
This one is missing something crucial. A goal. A reason for being. How insignificant of a being must you be to not choose one?
Rumor has it that Disney is changing Darth Venimus from a Bith to a human, and he is known as Qimir.
My head cannon will always have Plagueis as the "fussy Jewish mother" type, among dark lords of the sith
"Eat! _Eat,_ you need to *EAT!* Look at you! The moment you declare yourself a Dark Lord, someone is just gonna pick you up like a stick and throw you in a hole-
*_YOU NEED TO EAT!_*
The dark side is _very_ taxing! You should have seen my *last* sith apprentice, now there was a force user with an appetite!"
Sidious: - growls - * grips fork *
*"Oh!* *_GO AHEAD!_* Embrace the dark side against me, _see what I do to you!"_
Tenebrous was important to the Sith Plans for sure. But that's about all I see for him.
He really was unworthy. I always believed that the Sith Code was the ultimate path to the Dark Side. Plus always wanted a Sith to take note of the fact that the code mentions Passion but not anger or hatred. I'd say that anger and hatred are part of passion but by not embracing other passionate emotions too they limit their strength, limit their victories and fail to break their chains.
But yeah, found Tenebrous to be annoying from the start of the novel so he got what he deserved.
So it just clicked for me, there was another video saying the Sith get the Darth name based on what the force calls them as insults, Vader meaning father was an especially cruel one since he would never truly become a father, and with venomess it was mocking him for how he would one day be poisoned
Did you forget to mention how darth tenebrous's twi'lek master caused a rift in the force? Allowing the jedi on coruscant to feel the darkside for the first time in centuries. That was the inauguration, the precursor to beginning the end of grand plan.
Tenebrous is one of my favorite sith this for covering him!
I’ve read the book numerous times , there was a space port on the planet 🌎 why on gods green earth did Tenabrus think his highly trained incredibly strong apprentice would not make it to the space port ?
The virus plan was not a good idea. Assuming it could work, that would only be a double-edged sword that could target the sith as well as the jedi.
Bro was singing beck beck beck beck bedeck beck
Beck beckbeck bedeck beeeeeck beck beck
Such a great book, the audible version is really great
You mean Darth Raspberry? Who only communicates with fart noises?
He should’ve stuck with the saxophone.
"Most evil Sith Lord to ever life" is a HUGE claim. I'm ready for this.
Why didn't he stay in Plagueis' body until he saw the apprentice and then moved into the apprentice until the chosen one showed up?
Most annoying Sith of all time, and then you make no mention of it?
I thought he played the saxophone too much
what a tragic fate to end up with
Many of the ancient sith tried to conquer the galaxy through pure force and weapons. Most notably malak and the star forge. Malak came closer than anyone else did, but he still failed. The sith would always fail to conquer through brute force alone.
Well hello there.