People are too sensitive about Ginault's past as a maker of rolex knockoffs. They act like he's killed someone. The man made the best replicas in the business and they hate him because he went legit? His love of the submariner is obvious and he has perfected it imo. So what if he learned the craft by breaking Rolex's copyright? The real thieves are Rolex charging over 10k for the submariner, a vastly inflated price for the watch, dont get me started on the grey market prices.
I do think he should be given credit for making the change. Maybe he’s paid his dues and it’s time for us all to move on and enjoy what is really an amazing watch.
Ginault does a terrific job! Just had my “Ocean Rover One”in for service because the bezel came off on a scaffold, I wore it every day for three years and I sent it in for complete service. After six months, came back better than new and a very reasonable fee with a new bracelet! Can’t beat that….. They are a very good company! I’m very happy with what they provided and wish I could by the OR2……
Great review James. Uh…about the Steinhart……of course it is less than 1/3 the cost of the Ginault…..same motor…SW 200-1……So, for 3 times the price I would certainly hope it would be a better watch than the Steiny. Thanks and I for 1 am glad you are not pushing Ali-Express so much. Peace!
I hope it didn’t sound critical. Just noticed. Your presentations are starting feel more relaxed and that of course leads to better content in general. I watch you at least once a day. I don’t think you had but 500….maybe 1K at most in subs when I originally subbed . I like your shorts. And, you do good informational/teaching vids which have only of late been added. You’re doing great! Carry On Gov! (🤪)! Michael
I will be getting a no date Submariner next year. I plan on getting a Ginault ocean rover II date . The quality for the price is great. $9100 for a Submariner is crazy, the Ginault is the price a Rolex should be. The 1953 Submariner cost $150.00, this would be $1200.00 today.
Great looking watch. Looked like you were a little nervous just handling it. I would be too, $1100 may as well be $100,000. I like the hands on this one a lot more than the ones the original watch comes with. Keep the videos coming, you're doing a great job!
What a great video. I'm going to have to look into this watch it has peeked my interest. Thanks James for putting this out there. Another great video with great content tastefully done.
Thanks Darren. This one really surprised me. The quality is outstanding. I’m looking to find one for myself as well. Just need to find the right one at the right price.
@WATCHing James I looked shortly after your video and some of the models are discontinued but I believe there are a couple models and one of them had no data on the dial which you said you would rather not have if I'm not mistaken. Anyway it was terrible priced but I'm also looking in usd. Great watch though might pick one up for myself. Thanks for showing and sharing this otherwise I would have never known about this brand James. Thanks again.
Inoen one of the pre-preduction no-date Ocean Rovers. What I especially like about it is that is not an exact copy of an existing R model. It is a collection of several best properties of different S references. The vintage case for instance, but with the newer clasp, and military hands… It is as good quality as the original.
@@WATCHingJames Are you aware of the amazing and deceptive and disgusting and absolutely filthy criminal history of the owner of this brand? I've done my own research. It's hard, all the info is online. But it's so likely that this owner is an absolute crook.
GREAT review all in 9 minutes! My question/hesitation is that it is THREE times more expensive than the Steinharts premium ceramic. Do you think it's really that much better? Ginault have one with a royal blue ceramic bezel insert that I might get. Thanks
Parts of it are definitely 3 times as good. The bracelet, steel finishing and dial. But the movement is basically the same. Which is a big part of the price equation. I’m about to be lent two more Ginaults and the communication and information from the company is very compelling too.
For someone who handled both.. which in your opinion is the better quality watch aside from the aesthetic itself which is a matter of taste. The ginault or the CW 300?
That is a very good question. I’ve asked myself the same thing. I think they are the same. Both are incredible. But I do prefer the CW more for its looks and feels better thought out. However the quality. The same.
I'd love to know if the Rover 1 and the Silent Spring are also so good. Also, I've never seen a sub on a strap, but I do wonder what straps and even other bracelets might look good with it. I'm not a slave to clomageness. Maybe a shiny black alligator strap.
I am going to get the chance to see more of them shortly. The brand owner has agreed to lend me a couple of their watches. I will have to send them back but I should be able to have them long enough to get a good feel for them and create some more videos too.
@@WATCHingJames You have done great job with the review! And yes! The ocean rover 2(Ginault) its phenomenal watch! Many friends of mine sold the original Rolex sub and keep the Ginault! The watch hand's of ocean rover are more interesting from the mercedes of rolex!
I think that that's an absolutely insane watch. It looks incredible and I think it functions as well as a real Submariner. I dare say I think it looks better than a Submariner. But yeah... $1699 for a homage watch is really really pushing it. I say that as someone who truly appreciates homage watches. I paid significantly less for every piece I own, and I own two pieces that would almost certainly fetch more on the secondary market than this piece, despite how good it is. I really think Ginault did an amazing job and I can see their thought process with the 'Precision Chronometer' thing. Here's the unfortunate issue, a COSC/Glashütte/METAS certification actually has a cost attributed to it, and despite their claimed testing, it would not really make sense to call this a true chronometer. It would be akin to my watchmaker getting my Baume & Mercier Riviera to +/- 0 spd and me calling it a chronometer. Rolex get away with it, but they're Rolex, and I think their movements still do go to COSC first AFAIK. It's a lovely watch and I personally would love to own one, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to spend $1699 for something like this. You'd be getting awfully close to the price of a used BB58 by that point.
That is the problem with watches in this price range. Sometimes that can be amazing but others it is hard not to then keep saving. I can say the quality of this watch is almost second to none in the price category. I think if you can find a used version at a good price you would end up with an incredible bargain.
@@WATCHingJames I agree totally with your statements to me it is the r*lex that r*lex won't make but should have it has all my favorite features from all the years in one watch
I own both Ginault and Steinhatrts plus some Rolex Tudor sports models and I would have to say going from the Ginault to my Sub I actually don't feel that much of an upgrade in terms of quality. This speaks for the level of craftmanship Ginault is achieving. Steinharts are good watches for the price but they are really not on the same level as Ginault.
@@WATCHingJames I dont own them yet, I just discovered Steinhart and Ginault: Ginault seems to shine more than Steinhart, is it right? The Ginault bracelet seems to be more luxury, in my opinion. But what about putting a Ginault bracelet on the Steinhart watch?🤗
Just got mine. I also have a 2023 Rolex Submariner. The Ginault wears better, it feels as well made as the Rolex. The Ginualt's bezel movement is better than my Rolex's!! My Roelx bezel moves too easily. My Ginulault, after 2.5 days is keeping time EXACTLY perfect, better than the Rolex, which was +2 seconds after 2 days. I cam buy 6 of these watches with the price of one Submariner
Put the extra money to it and buy the real thing you won’t be disappointed and long after you forget the price and look at the watch knowing you have quality is great.
That is a question I asked myself too. I’m not sure if it’s worth 3 times but it is certainly better finished and feels like a much more expensive watch. Don’t get me wrong. I really love my Steinhart. But this does feel better.
@@Troy211 I just discovered this two beautiful brands. Please tell me, Ginault seems to shine more than Steinhart, is this right? That’s the difference between them? The bracelet of Steinhart seems to be cheaper than the bracelet of Ginault. That’s my first impression looking pictures and video
@@viplivesmatter if you could hold them in your hands the Ginault OR2 is the clear winner. Steinhart makes a good watch but it doesn’t compare to the OR2. It has a better bracelet, better bezel, better everything. The Ginault is the closest you can come to a Rolex submariner without actually getting a submariner.
@@Troy211 thanks for answering, you are very kind. the fact is that Ginault is American and Steinhart is Swiss made. I instinctively would buy a Swiss made watch and not an American one, for a matter of trust, then Ginault is a very young and mysterious company nobody knows how long their products will last: I can feel you, Ginault seems more beautiful and luxury than Steinhart, the best combo would be a Ginault Swiss made! Sorry maybe my English is not perfect, i am Italian
I know some people prefer gloves in videos. But it bugs me when I see them. Constantly pulling on them and not being able to action the bezel or crown. However that leaves me putting prints all over the watches in videos 🤔
Don't want to afford a Rolex. Now a brand that exceeds value. No justification for Rolex price point. I'll trash 3 of the OR2's. Ginault is an excellent value proposition.
I think the term "homage" is overused. It certainly draws inspiration from several previous subs, but none of those subs looked anything like this watch. I think this watch can stand alone on its own merits while giving a "nod" to history.
I think it does too but it seems to be the word people understand and it allows me to avoid saying the brand. Just want to be a bit careful about that. Thanks for WATCHing
It’s a nice watch, but the only history it has behind it is a shady history. I just can’t get myself to pay the money they’re asking for this watch. Id rather buy a steinhart or a squale.
I know how you feel. I tried to just focus on the watch for this mini review. But I don’t see myself buying one myself. Especially after getting my Christopher Ward. Just as good quality but without the attached baggage.
Lol what "baggage". It's a legal product. It's not like the money is going to an illegal enterprise. Praising the watch this much and then mentioning "baggage" is pompous. C'mon now. Great review nonetheless. Earned a subscriber.
A big thanks to my friend Sam for lending me this watch to feature on the channel today
To order $1700 Aus being $2600 us I would love but very xpensive . Beautiful watch though
People are too sensitive about Ginault's past as a maker of rolex knockoffs. They act like he's killed someone. The man made the best replicas in the business and they hate him because he went legit? His love of the submariner is obvious and he has perfected it imo. So what if he learned the craft by breaking Rolex's copyright? The real thieves are Rolex charging over 10k for the submariner, a vastly inflated price for the watch, dont get me started on the grey market prices.
I do think he should be given credit for making the change.
Maybe he’s paid his dues and it’s time for us all to move on and enjoy what is really an amazing watch.
Isn’t an issue that he’s a conman that’s has half a dozen aliases.
Ginault does a terrific job! Just had my “Ocean Rover One”in for service because the bezel came off on a scaffold, I wore it every day for three years and I sent it in for complete service. After six months, came back better than new and a very reasonable fee with a new bracelet! Can’t beat that….. They are a very good company! I’m very happy with what they provided and wish I could by the OR2……
That’s great to hear about their customer service.
This is by far the best Subby homage/inspired watch. This model is not a direct copy to modern Submariners so it is more than ok for me 👍🏼👍🏼
It really surprised me how good it was. The quality is outstanding.
Great review James. Uh…about the Steinhart……of course it is less than 1/3 the cost of the Ginault…..same motor…SW 200-1……So, for 3 times the price I would certainly hope it would be a better watch than the Steiny. Thanks and I for 1 am glad you are not pushing Ali-Express so much. Peace!
I do love my Steinhart. It’s one of my favourites. But this was up another level.
I do try and mix up the content the best I can.
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I hope it didn’t sound critical. Just noticed. Your presentations are starting feel more relaxed and that of course leads to better content in general. I watch you at least once a day. I don’t think you had but 500….maybe 1K at most in subs when I originally subbed . I like your shorts. And, you do good informational/teaching vids which have only of late been added. You’re doing great! Carry On Gov! (🤪)! Michael
I will be getting a no date Submariner next year. I plan on getting a Ginault ocean rover II date . The quality for the price is great. $9100 for a Submariner is crazy, the Ginault is the price a Rolex should be. The 1953 Submariner cost $150.00, this would be $1200.00 today.
And I’ve heard many Rolex owners say it feels better made. Crazy
A great looking watch, it does have a presence. Can see why you like this one. A great review.
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Got my first ocean rover 2 yesterday and it does not disappoint.
The inky black dial with sand lume looks killer in the sun light.
They are really impressive.
Enjoy
Are ocean Rover 2 still being sold ?
Are ginault still selling these
@@danielvanemmerik9823 yes
Great looking watch. Looked like you were a little nervous just handling it. I would be too, $1100 may as well be $100,000. I like the hands on this one a lot more than the ones the original watch comes with. Keep the videos coming, you're doing a great job!
Thanks Mark. I was so surprised how amazing this one was. I also wanted to be careful as it’s not my watch.
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What a great video. I'm going to have to look into this watch it has peeked my interest. Thanks James for putting this out there. Another great video with great content tastefully done.
Thanks Darren. This one really surprised me. The quality is outstanding.
I’m looking to find one for myself as well. Just need to find the right one at the right price.
@WATCHing James I looked shortly after your video and some of the models are discontinued but I believe there are a couple models and one of them had no data on the dial which you said you would rather not have if I'm not mistaken. Anyway it was terrible priced but I'm also looking in usd. Great watch though might pick one up for myself. Thanks for showing and sharing this otherwise I would have never known about this brand James. Thanks again.
If you send them an email or message they’ll tell you what they have available 👍
Inoen one of the pre-preduction no-date Ocean Rovers. What I especially like about it is that is not an exact copy of an existing R model. It is a collection of several best properties of different S references. The vintage case for instance, but with the newer clasp, and military hands… It is as good quality as the original.
I was really taken back by the quality. Truly amazing.
Glad you enjoyed the watch James. It’s a really well made watch that’s for sure. I’ve enjoyed having it and never regretted purchasing it 👍
Thanks for letting me borrow it. It really is an impressive watch.
The quality is outstanding.
good review james, thks for sharing.
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Thanks to Sam for lending you this beauty of a watch looks great 👍
It was great for me to get some hands on time with this one.
@@WATCHingJames Are you aware of the amazing and deceptive and disgusting and absolutely filthy criminal history of the owner of this brand?
I've done my own research. It's hard, all the info is online. But it's so likely that this owner is an absolute crook.
GREAT review all in 9 minutes! My question/hesitation is that it is THREE times more expensive than the Steinharts premium ceramic. Do you think it's really that much better? Ginault have one with a royal blue ceramic bezel insert that I might get. Thanks
Parts of it are definitely 3 times as good.
The bracelet, steel finishing and dial.
But the movement is basically the same.
Which is a big part of the price equation.
I’m about to be lent two more Ginaults and the communication and information from the company is very compelling too.
For someone who handled both.. which in your opinion is the better quality watch aside from the aesthetic itself which is a matter of taste. The ginault or the CW 300?
That is a very good question. I’ve asked myself the same thing.
I think they are the same.
Both are incredible. But I do prefer the CW more for its looks and feels better thought out.
However the quality. The same.
Ginault smokes the CW. Bezel action, bracelet and clasp, and overall fit and finish, accuracy of the movement all go to Ginault...
I'd love to know if the Rover 1 and the Silent Spring are also so good. Also, I've never seen a sub on a strap, but I do wonder what straps and even other bracelets might look good with it. I'm not a slave to clomageness. Maybe a shiny black alligator strap.
I am going to get the chance to see more of them shortly.
The brand owner has agreed to lend me a couple of their watches.
I will have to send them back but I should be able to have them long enough to get a good feel for them and create some more videos too.
I have the same watch 2 years now! Its so close with the original Rolex! For me its not copy but the greatest hits of all Rolex sub together!
I am so impressed by the quality. Feels like a much more expensive watch.
@@WATCHingJames You have done great job with the review!
And yes! The ocean rover 2(Ginault) its phenomenal watch! Many friends of mine sold the original Rolex sub and keep the Ginault!
The watch hand's of ocean rover are more interesting from the mercedes of rolex!
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I think that that's an absolutely insane watch. It looks incredible and I think it functions as well as a real Submariner. I dare say I think it looks better than a Submariner.
But yeah... $1699 for a homage watch is really really pushing it. I say that as someone who truly appreciates homage watches. I paid significantly less for every piece I own, and I own two pieces that would almost certainly fetch more on the secondary market than this piece, despite how good it is. I really think Ginault did an amazing job and I can see their thought process with the 'Precision Chronometer' thing. Here's the unfortunate issue, a COSC/Glashütte/METAS certification actually has a cost attributed to it, and despite their claimed testing, it would not really make sense to call this a true chronometer. It would be akin to my watchmaker getting my Baume & Mercier Riviera to +/- 0 spd and me calling it a chronometer. Rolex get away with it, but they're Rolex, and I think their movements still do go to COSC first AFAIK.
It's a lovely watch and I personally would love to own one, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to spend $1699 for something like this. You'd be getting awfully close to the price of a used BB58 by that point.
That is the problem with watches in this price range. Sometimes that can be amazing but others it is hard not to then keep saving.
I can say the quality of this watch is almost second to none in the price category.
I think if you can find a used version at a good price you would end up with an incredible bargain.
It is by far the best
It was very impressive
@@WATCHingJames I agree totally with your statements to me it is the r*lex that r*lex won't make but should have it has all my favorite features from all the years in one watch
I own both Ginault and Steinhatrts plus some Rolex Tudor sports models and I would have to say going from the Ginault to my Sub I actually don't feel that much of an upgrade in terms of quality. This speaks for the level of craftmanship Ginault is achieving. Steinharts are good watches for the price but they are really not on the same level as Ginault.
I was very impressed with its quality. Much better than the Steinhart.
But I do still love my Steinhart. Maybe I just need to own both 😄
Yes, but the Ginault is double the price of the Steinhart, so it's kinda expected to be a better watch.
@@WATCHingJames I dont own them yet, I just discovered Steinhart and Ginault: Ginault seems to shine more than Steinhart, is it right? The Ginault bracelet seems to be more luxury, in my opinion.
But what about putting a Ginault bracelet on the Steinhart watch?🤗
Just got mine. I also have a 2023 Rolex Submariner. The Ginault wears better, it feels as well made as the Rolex. The Ginualt's bezel movement is better than my Rolex's!! My Roelx bezel moves too easily. My Ginulault, after 2.5 days is keeping time EXACTLY perfect, better than the Rolex, which was +2 seconds after 2 days.
I cam buy 6 of these watches with the price of one Submariner
You are not the only one to say that
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Put the extra money to it and buy the real thing you won’t be disappointed and long after you forget the price and look at the watch knowing you have quality is great.
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Nice watch...though I actually prefer the Steinhart. Especially at a fraction of the price!
The Steinharts are great watches
The way the latest Submariner should be. It's a shame Rolex ditched the classic, charming pre-ceramic case and 40mm width.
The Ginault is incredible in hand. A great option if you can’t or don’t want the Rolex.
@@WATCHingJames the BB54 has me covered. Prefer it over the modern sub. It’s a great little watch
Is this worth 3 times as much as a Stienhart?
That is a question I asked myself too.
I’m not sure if it’s worth 3 times but it is certainly better finished and feels like a much more expensive watch.
Don’t get me wrong. I really love my Steinhart. But this does feel better.
I own both and I would say yes you’re definitely getting what you paid for.
@@Troy211 I just discovered this two beautiful brands. Please tell me, Ginault seems to shine more than Steinhart, is this right? That’s the difference between them?
The bracelet of Steinhart seems to be cheaper than the bracelet of Ginault.
That’s my first impression looking pictures and video
@@viplivesmatter if you could hold them in your hands the Ginault OR2 is the clear winner. Steinhart makes a good watch but it doesn’t compare to the OR2. It has a better bracelet, better bezel, better everything. The Ginault is the closest you can come to a Rolex submariner without actually getting a submariner.
@@Troy211 thanks for answering, you are very kind.
the fact is that Ginault is American and Steinhart is Swiss made. I instinctively would buy a Swiss made watch and not an American one, for a matter of trust, then Ginault is a very young and mysterious company nobody knows how long their products will last: I can feel you, Ginault seems more beautiful and luxury than Steinhart, the best combo would be a Ginault Swiss made!
Sorry maybe my English is not perfect, i am Italian
Gloves my friend, gloves. 😊
I know some people prefer gloves in videos. But it bugs me when I see them.
Constantly pulling on them and not being able to action the bezel or crown.
However that leaves me putting prints all over the watches in videos 🤔
Male endlinks are a nogo for me, as well as the "shady" history. He spoiled his own market by his actions, and thats a shame.
It is a shame. I can say that the watch is incredible. But I know there are other factors.
Don't want to afford a Rolex. Now a brand that exceeds value. No justification for Rolex price point. I'll trash 3 of the OR2's. Ginault is an excellent value proposition.
The quality of this watch is outstanding. And then when you consider the price.
I think the term "homage" is overused. It certainly draws inspiration from several previous subs, but none of those subs looked anything like this watch. I think this watch can stand alone on its own merits while giving a "nod" to history.
I think it does too but it seems to be the word people understand and it allows me to avoid saying the brand.
Just want to be a bit careful about that.
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Rolex submariner was also an homage watch. They copied too.
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$1700 BUCKS!!! OUCH!!!
I know. Not exactly affordable. But the quality is outstanding. Better than $5000 watches I have handled.
More like 1450 usd I believe. But you DO get a watch that is as good made as a sub from the R brand
Getting it used is a really good deal... If you can find them.
No longer in production.
If you contact them you can ask for
Certain watches.
It is once again available
Too much text on it.
I think a lot of people think the same thing.
It’s a nice watch, but the only history it has behind it is a shady history. I just can’t get myself to pay the money they’re asking for this watch. Id rather buy a steinhart or a squale.
I know how you feel. I tried to just focus on the watch for this mini review. But I don’t see myself buying one myself.
Especially after getting my Christopher Ward.
Just as good quality but without the attached baggage.
@@WATCHingJames Right exactly. There’s other watch brands with great history that you can buy in that price range.
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Lol what "baggage". It's a legal product. It's not like the money is going to an illegal enterprise. Praising the watch this much and then mentioning "baggage" is pompous. C'mon now. Great review nonetheless. Earned a subscriber.
Another "great" review 🤣 I'm sure Ginault raised your salary
I wish. Just getting to borrow one was fantastic