“Why is your main so humble and cool, and everyone else is a dumb piece of sht.” Is the realest quote I’ve ever heard regarding tekken. I love how he admits that xiao is busted but shuts down everyone dismissing his opinion before he elaborates on why she’s hard to use.
These lists don't exist to make people who use easy characters feel bad; they exist to soothe the egos of people who use hard characters so they can still feel superior after they've had their shit kicked in =P
@@afroraykun Nah, stuff like this comes out of frustration. They tell you to pick a character just because they appeal to you and then you end up with one of the hardest characters in the game. You dedicate yourself like crazy and then regularly get steamrolled as the other player using a boss character starts ki-charging as if they accomplished something special. Of course there is a point in the game where people get so good that it hardly matters how strong a character is. This is about learning a character though, not the entire experience of them.
@@jadennathan912 nah. I chose the reality of Steve in T7 and now he's the only MFer I know how to play. Buff my boy. forced LH is cringe. and give me back my mid CH launchers and my double duck in guard break you scumbags.
The general opinion of every character always seems to be "They're strong so they must be easy to play". Makes it very obvious when someone has not touched a character at all, and then they wonder why they're losing to them all the time.
@@Charonite-vk2lpmost of his chain grabs can be broken by holding either 1 or 2, if you can’t grab break on reaction then you just need to practice it for awhile
I will say I agree with the Reina placement, a lot of people swear up and down she's easy and can just mash in your face but that's really a case of you letting her get away with it. If she uses ff2 into 3 everytime, just backdash after blocking ff2, the 3 whiffs and she explodes for instance, if she goes for 4 everytime jab her out of it if she delays even a second. This is a wall a lot of Reina's just can't overcome (hence her horrid win loss) You can sort of dumpster your way through to red ranks as Reina with no execution and no fundamentals, but then again so can everyone. Once you hit red ranks you run into your first wall and have to actually learn all your moves, then you reach Tenryu or Mighty Ruler and you will end up hardstuck there unless you actually learn the game, its around that point where you have to start learning wave dashes, actual defense, other fundamentals and stuff because people will not let you get away with murder anymore and your lows suck, so you need to get good at the game to compensate. So red ranks and lower you're getting beaten by bad Reinas because you're bad too and she just mashes better, at purple ranks or higher you e losing to Reina because she's better at the game than you
Lol as a Feng main I was so offended, but agreed with 90% of the analysis 😂 My only gripe is that no one seems to talk about the fact that because what makes Feng so good is that his kit has something for EVERYTHING, that you can only use him to his full potential by memorizing and using his ENTIRE moveset. That shit ain't easy. When I get lazy with Feng, I get read super easily. I'm sure it's like that with most chars. But he's def not pick up and play and requires a massive amount of familiarity with all of his moves plus situational awareness. I think that's why we're not seeing a lot of Feng in tournaments right now.
@@terrellestephens8922 What are you talking about, Feng is always all over tournaments. I can’t imagine anybody playing Feng for any reason other than the fact that he is strong because he seems highly unappealing in every other way.
@@bonfist7277 Feng main simce Tekken 5 here 🎉🎉🎉 I was 5 years old when my dad got tekken 5 and when we played together i saw this mf and thought he was cool. It's been 15 years of beeing a feng main (i am 20) and i absolutely acknowledge everything about him being busted. That's why i learned many different characters as well😂 my 2nd main is now kazuya at raijin (feng wei at bushin right now) wonder if kazuya is busted beyond belief.
TMM be like: Kazuya, Reina and Bryan are hardest because on high level of play they struggle. but Nina and Zafina are easy, because they struggle only on high level of play
Zafina isn’t even easy at lower ranks also. He put her in the same tier as King who can win games at low ranks with zero combos because his damage output is insane.
I think raven is difficult. You can get away with dumb shit vs low ranks for sure but managing back turn and flowing between stances without getting stuck is tough, all his tools and pressure are based on mental frame advantage, 14f df1, no launcher until 16f, ravu wavu is tough. He's not particularly strong either. Has to take a lot of risk to get anything done.
Raven in T8 he's very unique, sick and dope so far... but only thing that they buff are his pokes, his Soulzone Stance it's leagues better than Master Raven's Haze Stance because the transition of moves are coming quicker, but he still has no 15 frame launcher or a solid 15 frame punish, his hopkick remains to be a joke of a oribital heel, but that's all fine because not every character in the game should have the same tools, so he still remains to some degree very unsafe. His one good low down 3 use to be plus but got nerfed, so now his neutral lows are't very solid and all of his stance lows are launch punishable. All of his shadows are 14 frame punishable so it is more in the opponents favor to interrupt him, he also lost his Magic 4, d/f4 and qcf 1 no longer launches on hit or counter hit, his backturn grabs are gone, because you can do now only generic grabs from his BT. So they turned him into an unsafe character relying mostly only on his mix ups gimmick to do very good with him in the right hands of use of course. So when most characters in this game are mix up characters they just get more reward and less punishment. If they at least made some of his shadows -12 on block then I think that it would make him a lot better, other than that he's gonna rely mostly on his Shenanigans. 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
Tekken players just as r3tarded as ever. Difficult doesn't equal weak and vice versa. I swear most of yall talking shit never even been to blue ranks, most of the players shouldn't really talk about the game at all, it's not just a shame but a pain to read.
This is a good list. I just hate that people think just because a character is on the easier side, they're going to fully get carried. It only works till u get to the actual high ranks where knowledge matters. In high ranks you have to really excel with jin, lars, and even asuka since her moves aren't the fastest and people can easily punish them.
Thats why these types of tier lists are pretty useless and inconsistent to make. Its better to either make a tier list for each separate skill level or to have an execution-gameplan chart
That’s what players need to realize. Just because a character is easy to use, doesn’t automatically mean they’re easy to utilize. Great example is Claudio. Even though he may be “easy to use”, he’s very difficult to utilize due to majority of his moves having negative frames, being too honest and having minimal pressure. But then again, most of these players don’t dig that deep down and just look at what’s on the surface.
Wow you put so much work in this video it's actually insane. Very informative with a side of classic TMM rant - really enjoyed it, I'm glad you took a while to explain some characters you usually don't, like the Bears (only saying stuff like "a lot of bullshit, no one knows the matchup, no hitbox" and that's it).
The way a lot of commenters are whining about certain characters, like Bryan, is pretty telling about what the median player struggles with. I don't even mean this as an insult, its just really really telling about how different of a game it is compared to higher level of play when people have good matchup knowledge and have a higher defensive proficiency versus people who are still familiarizing themselves with the system, don't know the knowledge checks or the very specific answers to troublesome moves or weird gimmicky strings they haven't seen before.
But what about Devil Jin? I cannot believe that’s a hard character. This is my first Tekken. I play Alisa and struggle to incorporate chainsaws without getting punished. I’ve been practicing, and have everything but while rising, sidestepping, and chainsaw moves down. I hit Garyu. Next I play King. I can’t even rank him out of Calvary. 200 games, I’ve won 13!!! (I can’t do the input throws) Then I pick up Devil Jin and hit Shinryu in 100 games!!! I played 1k on Alisa to hit Garyu. DJ is braindead strong and much easier than Swe thinks. Swe put him so high, which is also his 2nd main. Just a tad fishy…
@@Tk.Bogarts I made Garyu in literally 2 days and haven't played and posted since then 💀 what the fck are you talking about lol. I can bet my kidneys I'll beat your ass. Like you think you know more about Xiaoyu's difficulty than a Xiaoyu main and TMM who's been playing for almost 30 years? Take the L and keep crying when you lose lmao
@@Tk.Bogarts well I'm a Tekken King now so stfu :) me being a low rank back then meant I had no time to play rank, which I still don't. So stfu and enjoy getting blown up by low IQ idiots.
yep I agree, I'm completely new to Tekken 8 and I'm a boxer so I played Steve for 20 hours and had a very very rough time learning the fundamentals. As soon as I switched to Azucena I started actually improving on what to sidestep what to duck and frame advantage. Love her shes fun to play and we speak the same langauage! As a lightweight boxer I also live off Coffee.
Steve's Lion Heart is not always beaten by a power crush. You did ub2 and said that, but in this situation on hit you are actually +14 and don't have to worry about armor moves. The same with ws2,2 and f2,2(+11). Even after blocked Heat Smash (+8) LNH1 beats Power Crush, heat burst or Rage Art. Armor moves beat every Lion Heart option only after db3,2 b1,2 3,1,2 and 4,1,2 (+7 ) And you don't have to cancel Lion Heart to PKB to be able to block. You can just do DCK cancel, block and punish.
He's wrong about some of the things he said about Steve, for example, he said Steve no longer has "guard break" but he does. Steve is pretty strong, which is why we're seeing him in tournament play still.
@@funkrates4778Compare to most characters in the game he isn't that strong . You have to work way harder with Steve compare to 90℅ of the characters . Even the new Steve tech is really difficult to use in an actual match .
@@DiegoXRA Yeah. I agree. But like most-actually all characters-once you play them a lot, they become like a second skin. I think once someone has developed an affinity for Steve, he's actually a pretty good character. Not the stronger, for sure, as he was in previous versions, but he's still pretty strong IMO.
After it became common knowledge that power crush bears lion heart steve has become so much harder to win with, as you said it feels like you just straight up have to outplay everyone in neutral then get rewarded with low damage.
As a Drag player (relatively new to Tekken, played 100 hours of Tekken 8 and nothing else) I can say that many wins I get I don't even know how did I get them. Too much damage.
I think raven is surprisingly difficult - as a raven main, you really need to understand the game well to make use of him. Other characters may be hard to use mechanically but game wise they dont require much knowledge. I'd say Shaheen is another character whos easy move wise but when it comes to execution and game plan he is difficult, just like how Bryan is hard execution and hard game plan in higher ranks
Bryan has no difficult execution other than TJU. TB4 can be done reliably with the proper input technique. No more Magic 4 pick up. Bryans high rank game plan is called "thinking".
Raven main here, yes he's not as straight forward as other characters especially now in T8 with how some reliable buttons for me have gained heat properties changing their situational usage. I've only picked him up in T7 and got used to backwards stance then, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around Soulzone/3+4 stance moves now.
I found Raven hard to play online just because of matches being limited to first-to-2. Feel like that character starts to excel once you've conditioned your opponent but ft2 just isn't enough time to do that, especially with all the cowards leaving after one game.
Not being able to fly on block with samsara really hurts your options as DJ in a game where most characters have a lot of cheap shennanigans to get you, but what its worse the f4, 3 is practically useless unless you win the mental games and make your opponent press on the second kick. Hitting the first one doesnt guarantee the second one which is launch punisheable on block. I would love a nerf to his crusher just to get the fly option back.
Steve's need to constantly enter, exit and cancel stances just to make mediocre moves safe is exhausting. As a new Tekken player, it's getting really irritating and I'm wondering why I bothered picking this character. Peekaboo cancelling from lionheart is really difficult and just the fact that you need to duck cancel to make df2, a non homing, non launching MID mid feels like garbage. I feel like I'm working weirdly hard in order to do literally nothing.
I simply do not understand how Bryan is the most difficult character. Every counterargument is "but hes hard to win with at high level". So is everyone.
I mean, TMM explained it. He's excruciating to play with against people who know the game. His moves are so limited compared to everyone else's BS. he's very honest and requires you to work very hard. Anything below Fujin is easy.
Bryan has one good low that is only accessible out of backsway. At the highest levels of play, everyone is so familiar with Bryan and how he operates so his only real way to open people up is to just be the better player. There's no gimmicks or knowledge checks to rely on
lee definitely got easier in t8, but i still feel like he deserves very difficult, maybe at the bottom of it if u were to rank the characters in each tier, but def up there.
Agreed, although I'm only red rank so I don't get all the ins and outs. Changes to his b3,3 and nerfs to every other magic 4 make things easier, but not easier than DJs heat bs for example. And his CH fishing is buffed just by the virtue of the game's aggressive playstyle, but he doesn't have much for keep out against aggressive characters with good reach imo
@@ryanvibert7245his CH game is buffed by the new speed and mechanics of the game but I feel like because of how much non CH stuff they removed a turtle now absolutely destroys Lee even more, and also now a lot of moves have blue spark moves and now u must implement while rising moves mid combo which all increase the difficulty
Yeah it's definitely very hard at high level, which makes no sense because this is supposed to be based on high level play, I'm nearly blue rank and devil Jin Hella/ Bryan are easy compared to lee
Claudio is my pocket character but I think he’s really under the radar. I’m literally beating Fujins with fundamentals alone. I have very low character optimization and only a week of practice. In a game that promotes aggression he kills with CH tools. Plus his running 2 in heat does CRAZY damage. I can do like 54 damage with that one hit alone. I’m literally robbing games with him
I don’t feel like Steve does no damage combo wise it’s more just overall pressure and neutral. He has 50/50s but they do no damage. The less damage the 50/50’s do the more I gotta keep doing them which gives the opponents more chances to guess right. That would be fine if the risk = the reward, but like Steve during pressure if the opponent guesses at minimum Steve is holding a 50/50 at most you can kill Steve. Same thing with his neutral buttons except the worse part being his best neutral buttons make you lose your come back factor. Steve can 1 million % steam roll though ESPECIALLY if you can’t react to grabs
Yeah, weird that we have to keep winning forced 50/50 over and over again, but they figure it out even once and you just die for it. “Safest” character in the game moment.
Currently top 100 with Panda. His explanation on kuma in the beginning was spot on. Knowing fundamentals as a bear player ends up running the timer. The bears don't have enough when it comes to fundamental moves.
He hates her, thats it. Every character he hates deserves to be seen as braindead dumb character and you dont deserve your win. Thats an exageration xD, but seriously if you want an opinion less biased see the tier list of other people
@abdulkarimelnaas7595in all honesty I would never take any tier list ever seriously. They are fun but reductive and useless I feel overall and usually just used to make excuses like “it’s cause this is sooo hard, it’s cause it’s sooo easy” instead of just playing the game lmao
Putting Shaheen in easy and lili in intermediate is crazy, those are the only two characters i play in this game and I can't imagine a universe where lili is the harder of those two characters to play personally.
Zafina didn’t feel that easy to me. maybe if you do one and dones and never rematch, but people catch on after that. Used to play Azucena and she was childs play in comparison
@@Coollegalass not on the same level as several characters in her tier. you can’t mash out big damage and steal rounds instantly. There’s no way on earth king is on the same level as her in terms of easiness.
@@MegaCityGhost lol I mean it’s inconsistent either way. Paul is intermediate to play? Same tier as raven? King is just “easy”, and not “very easy”? same tier as Zafina?
Dvj still does insane damage with minor execution, a hellsweep that hits grounded, launching panic move, full throw game. he is not locked to execution as much as before
I just wanted to mention briefly that the matchup knowledge argument for Kuma can also be applied at a lower level. As a new player to Tekken myself, I find that there is sooooo much to learn and most of the decisions I make are about the order or priority I want to learn the things in. A beginner player who has a Kuma playing friend might have very poor fundamentals, but win against a very high ranking Kuma who "cheesed" his way through the ladder. That phenomenon doesn't only apply at the highest level.
This is the first time I've seen you talk about Xiao in a very honest and objective way :D She's my main, and yes she is very strong in T8 (and lets be honest, us Ling mains have been waiting for this day for a long time), but she isn't pairing the evasiveness with every other tool like Feng, or the movement with every other tool like Alisa, or the mixups with every other tool like Azucena. She's one of those characters who needs practice, but once you get the practice, you can do some real crazy stuff. People lose to AoP down because they spam jabs, not realizing that AoP down needs a bit of timing to evade stuff. Xiaoyu forces people into a matchup where they can't autopilot their character. That's why they're mad. How do you beat it? Don't let her autopilot. Keep the Xiao on her toes, keep her guessing, and put her in a situation where she has fewer options. That's when she needs to take huge risks. Xiao players love when you come in with obvious BS, cause she is designed to get around that. That's all. I'm based in Japan, and the landscape here, where I'm fighting Japanese and Korean players mostly, is very different. There are people I run into that have no idea what she's doing. There are people who know her stuff in and out. I can't cali roll spam, I can't randomly do AoP, and I can't just do HYP mixes. They all have that down at my level. That's when you need to be creative, and it's why I love playing her so much.
You really don't know Nina at all, yeah string spamming will get you to fujin but that's not the character, she's more execution demanding in t8 than she was in t7 due to new mechanics (new ender db2 into qcf4,3,1+2). also her gameplan is to get in opponent's face cause there's where her tools shine, with some space all of her moves tend to whiff due to being linear or not having much range (f4 as an addition helps but its far from a perfect get in move) she doesnt really have very good approaching moves (wr 1+2 is linear, slide is launch punishable and linear, and f4 can be floated and stepped easily aswell) and that's where good players with a decent defense will kill nina, she has to use a execution mechanic ss1 back cancel to get to open opponents cause all of her lows are 20 frames or slower (having a complete throw game helps a lot). Still Nina is pretty strong and competent in this game, but i just really don't understand your speech, you put paul whose weakness is quite similar to nina's in the same tier as her when she is literally 3 times more execution demanding than him...
that doesn't mean shit , he really relied on other people ignorance of the character and spammed some strings he didn't do any ss1 cancels which are crucial @@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584
@@ahmedrahaim6877 by Tekken lifespan end, most people who were playing were people who were usually people who were top of skill. And ss1 isn't an essential it's just a solid wall carry technique. Again MainMan can do that, even made a guide on it ruclips.net/video/RAEch2DQFZU/видео.htmlsi=3Mp-WQjvITE4Ulvg It's just something when you haven't practiced in a while it wouldn't be consistent
@@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584 you are confusing ss1 cancels which are for neutral and ws1 loops. in that video he does not do all the variances of ws1 combos, doing them is easy if you have execution lol but nina literally has just frame ws1 pick ups. in that video he does the eaaaasiest part of the ws1 loop mechanic, i recommend you to learn more about nina cause you clearly don't know her either. and btw ws1 loops are necessary for optimal combos so you know.
Playing as yoshimitsu, you hit the pints so well, but people never realize how many lives he has and how many options I have to ruin your day. It takes time and I’m still learning, but I just love how complex he is to adapt to scenarios and throw people off. Mashers and offensive players just don’t do well at all….I love the look of him as well, coolest character to me as a newbie😄
Reina might have a high skill ceiling but god damn is that character easy to pick up and flowchart. I main Bryan and after a week of playing her matched my peak rank(fujin). ff2 and df1 utility is so powerful and simple to use and there is so much more. I don't think its fair to say a character is hard because they have too many good moves. Does she actually have to play optimally? Hell no? Is her counter play obvious, no. Also db2 and hellsweep are not shit lows. My hot take is I honestly think Yoshi is harder.
db2 is a 20 frame low that does not high crush that is launch punishable and is -3 ON HIT. It absolutely is a shit low. Hellsweep is good though. That's the problem though, all her lows are either launch punishable, her safest low is -13. For that, she has one that's 20 frames minimum (ss4) that's neutral on hit. She has db4 which is i16, -13 but does legit like 7 damage and is still minus on hit. Her lows are objectively pretty terrible compared to basically every character in the game. But her mids are insanely oppressive, ff2 needs a nerf methinks.
@@PKrazorleaf I'm biased because I play her but I think it's gonna be one of those things where matchup knowledge is the most important. I can see many Reina players I go against struggling to win because I know her punishes and it's honestly kinda laughable sometimes how easy it is to beat her. I really suggest taking some time to pay attention to what's going on and see the flowcharts that these bad players use - once you get higher (or if you play her yourself) you'll see how locked in you have to be at all times to make things work on her. Also I wanna point out that as of the last winrate thing we saw, she's still on the bottom so I'm not sure if it's as easy to pick up and play as some people suggest - even in ruler+
I tried to play Jun after Reina and for me as a beginner, Reina was and still is a complete nightmare to play. Her inputs are much much harder to execute for a beginner, especially if you wanna do the electric version of all the windgodstep moves (which I still cannot do in real matches). Jun's inputs are so much easier and fun to use, also she has many more save moves that leave her with + on block. Most of reina's lows are minus on hit (except for the hellsweep and ss4 which is 0 lol) as it was said previously, so you have to guard most of the time after them. Also, spamming ff2 will not work forever because some players (mostly in higher ranks) can interrupt it perfectly each time Reina has a Sentai animation after ff2.
It's easy and hard too depends on the level u r playing for beginners and intermediate goings againg her is hard but when u r at high level she is easy to counter
As someone who play Tekken from T2 and trying to main Yoshi for the first time I definetely think your analysis is perfect. I struggle to find an OP move with him, he seems to have a lot of easily parriable middle and high. The strenght is in the mix up but you have to know the entire arsenal and it's really difficult at first. And as you said you have to play him with a brain. I really hate when someone who never try a character say he's supereasy or things like that.
to those who don't understand why maimman calls bryan the most difficult character in the game... watch the FT10 set between Knee and Arslan. Arslan used Victor and brought the set to 7-3 against Knee's Bryan. It was painful to watch Knee do anything he can to break Arslan's defense. Then Knee switched to Dragonuv and won the set 10-9.
Bryan is pretty good beginner to intermediate. once you get to those tekken god ranks its 100% outplay. and this is the perspective mainman gives us because these are ranks he plays in.
Man is speaking the truth about Yoshi. I am so sick of people accusing him of being brain dead until you finally start playing against good players who know how to counter him. That type of mentality when enough idiots complain about him will get him nerfed, when he doesn't need to be nerfed. I'm more concerned about balancing moving forward into the future with the current balancing team in place at the moment, especially with what we have seen with the Leroy nerfs.
well the whine made him nerfed when he was having a good time being super strong but in high lvl of play the character is totally not a tourney character and become predictable unless the yoshi is creative
I mained him in T7 and he indeed feels stronger in T8. You can't always duck 31, cuz Yoshi can go for 32, which is mid and has exactly the same startup frames. 3 by itself is -9, so if you don't want to commit into 32 then you can go for twelve frame df4 safe mid check as well. [3~4] into helicopter feels really strong in this game. df31 is safe mid mid that deals chip dmg. ub1+3 1+3 unblockable is great too. That new soul calibur move from kincho stance is hit confirmable mid, which is safe if you don't extend it. Damage is higher than in T7 and that's why Yoshi is a lot easier to play in T8, cuz you just need less interactions with your opponent to score a win.
Nina and Zafina in easy category? Nah, I disagree. Sure, Nina has moves you can abuse especially with an average opponent, but at high level play better players will catch on to her spam and her execution can get very difficult imho. I do agree that she doesn’t have to rely on high execution quite as much as she did in previous Tekkens though. Zafina definitely has easier execution, but I feel she is very tricky to properly use and you have to work harder for wins. There’s a reason people are begging for buffs for Zafina.
It’s a rinse and repeat summary for Nina. However I do agree that she has less reliance on her high execution moves than the Tekken’s before. As you move up the ranks you’ll encounter more and more people that are able to punish her spammable strings, tho.
Out of all S tier characters I never saw that any Nina player beat TMM. Never. He got beated by every other S tier character but not Nina. She is super tough to learn on high levels, even harder than Kazyua. And he is keep saying that she is braindead and super powerfull by showing some beginner strings. Like WTF
i think he just means when playing online, its easy to be zafina because you’re more than likely gonna be able to knowledge check everyone until you get to a high rank.
Just because a character is easier to do the basic mechanics on doesn't mean they're easy to win with. Piloting zafina is harder than Paul, but winning with Zafina is significantly easier.
I put this is on as a bit of background entertainment while I played street fighter casuals. I looked away to play, looked back and my guy was drawing diagrams and doing fractions
I disagree, Reina is intermediate at best, I got Tekken king within 2-3 weeks and I wasn’t just playing Reina the entire time. Same with devil jin, I got up him up to kishin within the first few weeks when the game dropped and just stopped playing him. I agree kazuya and steve are very difficult to rank up, just got my kaz up to Tekken emperor and he’s my main who I play 70% of the time. But I feel like these lists are up to the player and how they feel when they play a certain character. I find jin more difficult than Reina tbh
@@georgeross18it’s just a personal opinion when I played ranked I found jin a lot tougher to play with and rank up, This may be due to Reina being a new character so not a lot of people know her moves as compared to jin ( when to duck or interrupt, side step ect)
@@skeletor1177i agree it blows my mind when people say jin is easy… im a pretty seasoned player and i can use any mishima in the game and out of everyone jin was definitely the hardest for me to rank up with
I appreciate you for breaking down Xiaoyu and understanding that she is difficult. Heavily a setup character. Thanks for also saying she's not braindead. She gets a lot of hate. I understand SHE IS BROKEN. But maining her for all these years have certainly helped me be pretty good at defense. 💯💯🙏🏾
I'm an intermediate player, and Devil Jin is super difficult to play. His combos have a lot of cancels which is really hard to nail down. Especially since I bought a stick for T8, very new to it. Also, the EWGF usage is just so hard to use with the threat of a launch or duck into punish from other characters. Really overwhealming for me when I play. Will practice some more though.
If Bryan's counter hitting from half screen, both players are probably terrible lol. Only move that can do that is 3+4, and better players can step it or space it out for a whiff punish. B1 essentially could to, but it's also so easy to read from afar.
@@thetrickster4899exactly I understood why people complained about him in 7 but to call him cheap in this game is absolutely insane he is 100% one of the harder characters to win with I've been stuck in tenryu for the last 2 weeks with him red ranks have been hell if I put the time I put into Bryan into Jin I'd probably be in purples probably near blues
Judging characters based on whether others know matchup or not is a joke. I understand that at low and medium ranks it may matter, but at high ranks not so much. Moreover, are we judging whether people know matchup or how difficult a character is to learn? You are talking about Raven, mentioning his move b1+2 which is used quite rarely, while not developing the basis of learning his CD (which is the basis of this character). What's more, you don't mention its lacks in neutral, such as the 15f launcher, its BT position, which has to be manually reversed and which is often obstacle in the beginning of learning.
I mean the comment proves his point. I don't know anything about raven and i probably won't because no one plays him. Maybe I might meet 1 in 50 matches. Plus no one labs every character people are more likely to sit start the game and go into rank without warmup
@@SesoKoza-ut4bd If you are going to spend the next 10 years in the red ranks, he may be right, but we are talking about the full potential of the character, not half of the spectrum of his possibilities. It's like you were considering Kazuya without taking wavu or pewgf into account. I've been playing Raven since t7 at high ranks and I must admit that high-ranked players know the basics of this character, so you can't play him assuming your opponent doesn't know matchup. It is also worth mentioning that a large part of the move list is transferred from the previous tekken, of course with a large number of changes, but it is not like this is a new character and no one knows him. So, as I mentioned earlier, MM did not mention the basic things of this character, such as CD (it is the equivalent of wavu and Raven's gameplay is largely based on it), such fundamental things as BT, SZN, etc. I do not require MM to know every character, but it was he who decided to make this tier list and omitted the foundation of the character, which is a significant mistake. For example, Anakin also made such a list and he, for example, referred to this character taking into account its full spectrum of possibilities and placed Kazuya right next to him -isn't it a big discrepancy?
Im a bryan main. I listened to this while working out. Hit 250 on bench for 8 reps while you were mentioning how bryan has no get off me tools. Neither do i, i just gotta push the weight off my chest.
he says that Nina is easy but he can't do a difficult combo.... hypocrisy, I practically do the "difficult combos" with the kazuya that he plays and no, I certainly wouldn't put him in difficult
@@victormisterio wave/backdash/sidestep/combination of all three into electric on both sides can never be mastered. Even pro players like boa, knee, choksae and many others drop ewgf from time to time. Just learning ewgf is very different from becoming consistent with it and mastering it. His hardest execution hurdle isn't any of this tho, it's his launch punishing. Go and try to launch -14 and -15 attacks with electric and see how inconsistent it is. Kazuya's difficulty mostly comes from lack of panic moves and lackluster pokes which make him weak against pressure and good offense, making the character require good matchup knowledge, timing and defense to even function at the intermediate levels while most characters don't require any of that till higher levels.
I feel like its hard to pinpoint what makes a char hard, as i play most chars somewhat decently i'd have to say gameplay is indeed the biggest one for me at least. But some people see difficulty different cos whats easy for 1 might be difficult for another and changing their mind is impossible. I know that cos a guy i played said that zafina and claudio are the same level off difficulty and cheese, which blew my mind that he truly believed that.
Its so funny how his d2 went from "Most broken move in the game" to "reactable low, kinda useless in High Rank.". IMO, Jin is weaker in Tekken 8 as he was in 7
Nice downplay but jin should be harder to use, his D2 should be nerfed since it's a ch launcher and + onhit and it's only -14. It invalidates the use of his other lows.@@Alex-Omega
@alexomega1843 Cause there was no Feng, Dragonuv, Alisa, Victor, Reina etc in the demo. Jin is still very strong and has a tool for every situation, so there's not much to complain about with him
Me playing victor: he’s brain dead your carried Me switch to raven: oh no one knows him your carried There will always be an excuse. Play who you like. You still have to beat people online and know their matchups.
Pretty much man just play the game however u like if u aint competing then all dat is just information thats fun to know. U bought the game the character is in it and u play whoever u want
and thats deadass all that matters no one owes u shit, an example like the recent capcom cup everyone and their mother was using luke can someone say shit to them? hell nah and these are pros playing for money it doesnt really matter at the end of the day@@gowther4312
It's my first Tekken but not first fighting game ( and I'm usually high ranked on SF/Guilty ) and I picked Xiaoyu as a first char to go. I love to play setup characters because you can outsmart people and this is a fun thing to do. I'm Tenryu atm with Xiaoyu and I have Reina, Alisa, Jun, Steve and Yoshi between Garyu/Shinryu. It took me around 3h without lab to get to Garyu with Alisa and Jun. With Xiaoyu I had to lab alot, learn the combos, go trough all the skill list, watch games from pro to understand how the character was working. Honnestly, I probably spent like 50h in lab with Xiaoyu. She is really hard to play. People just repeat " AOP BROKEN NERF NERF " mindlessly. Yea, AOP is strong. But it's not unbeatable at all. I get hit all day in AOP by people mashing. It's very situational and not easy to setup. Hypnotist in my opinion is way more strong than AOP and for some reason people don't cry about it why ? Because your mash works against against hypnotist where it does not work against AOP. I think people get pissed off by Xiaoyu because it's a good character to make a fool of people pressing their linear strings or tech rolling. She is one of the knowledge check character from this game.
Dear bryan haters, Playing bryan at an average skill level is not hard, noone has ever said that. You can ditch taunt entirely in low ranks and just dominate with counterhits the same way you can with any other "DeFeNsIvE pUnIsH cHaRaCtEr", whatever the fuck that means. The advanced tools involving taunt, doubletaunt, taunt-dashing, and the wall oki combos that tend to be se*ist or dont work on bears are where things begin to get difficult. Every character has something like this but not many among the cast are expected to do just frames for oki. But to call him the hardest? Hell no bruh its probably steve. Also I think lee gets too much hate in this game
Besides downloading TMMs combo vids on TZ 20 years ago and him being mad funny, these takes where he is brutally honest is why I have him at the top of content creators!
1:43:34 is the most important thing in this whole video. So many people will talk shit without having ANY idea of how these characters actually play. All they know is being on the receiving end of "bullshit" without knowing how hard the other player had to work for it, or how easy it would be to counter player if you labbed worth a fuck.
Seriously, Mainman doesn't understand that people don't disagree that she's difficult but putting her into "very difficult" when she has the entire mishima package (except a launching hellsweep) and more.
As a hwoarang main I would say he's hard to use at high level. It's kind of funny considering you said just frame sky rocket is the mid you want though it is an actual just frame. Trying to optimize his damage is also difficult
As someone who's played since Tekken 3, I never understood why people say that Bryan is a hard character to play. The only people who actually use taunt Jet upper in a real match are those who are probably Tekken God or above, most of his moves do crazy amounts of damage, his execution isn't even hard, his counter hit tools might be the best in the game, and his wall damage is too high.
Bryan is hard because hus gameplan is difficult to apply and he relies so much on timing. You basically have to catch on to someone's timing extremely quickly if you want to beat them with Bryan.
He’s a Tekken 7 character in Tekken 8, his heat is one of the worst in the game, he doesn’t have any real 50/50, that being said let’s see his strong points which are wall (if you encounter a Bryan in Yakushima or Colloseum you have already won the match basically)m counter hits which are strong but good luck against someone who actually knows about the game and doesn’t press every 0.1 seconds and his taunt which you already admitted it’s hard, so yeah I would say he deserves the spot since I literally can’t name 5 characters harder than him
9:41 Leroy
12:21 Jack
14:42 Steve
18:12 Panda/Kuma
22:46 Devil Jin
27:06 Lars
30:17 Leo
32:07 Paul
38:18 Raven
41:24 Shaheen
42:56 Alisa
46:37 Lee
54:59 Lili Ma Queen
59:41 Yoshimitsu
1:05:48 Jin
1:10:39 Hwoarang
1:14:41 Nina
1:19:21 Feng Wei
1:26:44 Dragunov
1:33:26 Azucena
1:42:10 Ling Xiaoyu
1:53:31 King
2:01:40 Reina
2:10:04 Law
2:15:26 Jun
2:24:12 Zafina
2:28:55 Kazuya
2:36:13 Claudio
2:38:40 Bryan
2:48:28 Victor
2:56:24 Asuka
The other homie should have gotten the pin 😔 Free him chat
@CloudianOG lmao bro don't worry it's not that serious hahah
You're doing gods work 🦄
@@CloudianOG The other homie was complaining about twitch drama in his post, though.
gee thanks !
The most difficult character in tekken is the one I'm maining at the time
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
And who is that
I main Bryan 😅
@@dr3wmedia667 Brian is not difficult
@@beastant12itachi8bruh, i guess you are that guy who spam snake edge
MainMan always look so sweet and kind in his thumbnails. You'd never know he turns into a demon after you click
Someone heard bad things about their main?
Well, again TMMS is showing us his skill of total zero knowledge about this game. This list doesnt make sense. xDD
😂😂😂
@@Kaldzi1993what part are you upset about buddy?
@@2Namiihe probably mains a character that MainMan put in easy and got hurt by it
“Why is your main so humble and cool, and everyone else is a dumb piece of sht.” Is the realest quote I’ve ever heard regarding tekken. I love how he admits that xiao is busted but shuts down everyone dismissing his opinion before he elaborates on why she’s hard to use.
he said on top0.1% which u aint there g so dont glaze urself 💀
Bias
he should look in the mirror when he says that
@@nickstanovicbwah bwah I cant read a Hellsweep
@@Tk.Bogarts Learn to read
For anyone who needs to hear this
There's nothing wrong with using an easy character. Its a video game. Fun comes first. It shouldn't feel like a job.
me when im mashing b1 with my sub feng😭
No fun allowed. Your rank is directly tied to your social credit score.
These lists don't exist to make people who use easy characters feel bad; they exist to soothe the egos of people who use hard characters so they can still feel superior after they've had their shit kicked in =P
@@afroraykun Nah, stuff like this comes out of frustration. They tell you to pick a character just because they appeal to you and then you end up with one of the hardest characters in the game. You dedicate yourself like crazy and then regularly get steamrolled as the other player using a boss character starts ki-charging as if they accomplished something special.
Of course there is a point in the game where people get so good that it hardly matters how strong a character is. This is about learning a character though, not the entire experience of them.
@@afroraykuni mean tbh if u use steve u r bettwr then all the ez chr
This has got to be the nicest thing I've ever heard mainman say about Xiaoyu in a good while. I'm here for it.
Honestly, despite the changes. Being a Steve main nowadays is really satisfying. Every win feels earned.
I feel u 😢
It’s also highly infuriating and every fight is a boss fight.
@@bonfist7277 you’re not wrong, however its the reality we choose as Steve mains
@@jadennathan912 nah. I chose the reality of Steve in T7 and now he's the only MFer I know how to play. Buff my boy. forced LH is cringe. and give me back my mid CH launchers and my double duck in guard break you scumbags.
I got the rosiest of rose tinted glasses cause I love playing Steve. I don’t feel what ppl say are his biggest weaknesses
Whats up guys? MainManSWE here with a 3 hour video after a week of not uploading
He's like 100 years old, gotta give him some time to rest.
@@Breakingfasst88 TMM crawled back out of the crypt to upload this one
@@dynamiittimika😂😂😂
@@Breakingfasst88looks 25 lol so its all good
Well, again TMMS is showing us his skill of total zero knowledge about this game. This list doesnt make sense. xDD
The general opinion of every character always seems to be "They're strong so they must be easy to play".
Makes it very obvious when someone has not touched a character at all, and then they wonder why they're losing to them all the time.
yes this is how i got my opinion on lei
I hope the kings I play against take skill to beat me while spamming every grab possible
@@Charonite-vk2lpmost of his chain grabs can be broken by holding either 1 or 2, if you can’t grab break on reaction then you just need to practice it for awhile
I will say I agree with the Reina placement, a lot of people swear up and down she's easy and can just mash in your face but that's really a case of you letting her get away with it. If she uses ff2 into 3 everytime, just backdash after blocking ff2, the 3 whiffs and she explodes for instance, if she goes for 4 everytime jab her out of it if she delays even a second. This is a wall a lot of Reina's just can't overcome (hence her horrid win loss)
You can sort of dumpster your way through to red ranks as Reina with no execution and no fundamentals, but then again so can everyone. Once you hit red ranks you run into your first wall and have to actually learn all your moves, then you reach Tenryu or Mighty Ruler and you will end up hardstuck there unless you actually learn the game, its around that point where you have to start learning wave dashes, actual defense, other fundamentals and stuff because people will not let you get away with murder anymore and your lows suck, so you need to get good at the game to compensate. So red ranks and lower you're getting beaten by bad Reinas because you're bad too and she just mashes better, at purple ranks or higher you
e losing to Reina because she's better at the game than you
You couldn’t have said it any better my guy, but people are just way too biased sadly.
as a steve player i can only say it is so hard to play with him you are right in every word you said 😅.
the feng rant is gold💀 everyone who doesnt play feng felt that
Lol as a Feng main I was so offended, but agreed with 90% of the analysis 😂
My only gripe is that no one seems to talk about the fact that because what makes Feng so good is that his kit has something for EVERYTHING, that you can only use him to his full potential by memorizing and using his ENTIRE moveset. That shit ain't easy.
When I get lazy with Feng, I get read super easily. I'm sure it's like that with most chars. But he's def not pick up and play and requires a massive amount of familiarity with all of his moves plus situational awareness. I think that's why we're not seeing a lot of Feng in tournaments right now.
@@terrellestephens8922 What are you talking about, Feng is always all over tournaments.
I can’t imagine anybody playing Feng for any reason other than the fact that he is strong because he seems highly unappealing in every other way.
@bonfist7277 naa he has great animations and fun gameplay (whether you win or not) i enjoyed feng before teken 7 season 4
BRO FR 😂😂😂 I audibly laughed when TMM showed off the 50/50 between df3 and sidestep 4 😭😭😭
@@bonfist7277 Feng main simce Tekken 5 here 🎉🎉🎉
I was 5 years old when my dad got tekken 5 and when we played together i saw this mf and thought he was cool. It's been 15 years of beeing a feng main (i am 20) and i absolutely acknowledge everything about him being busted. That's why i learned many different characters as well😂 my 2nd main is now kazuya at raijin (feng wei at bushin right now) wonder if kazuya is busted beyond belief.
TMM be like: Kazuya, Reina and Bryan are hardest because on high level of play they struggle. but Nina and Zafina are easy, because they struggle only on high level of play
Yea exactly! and that is why Bryan is not the hardest character beacuse he is piss easy until you get to high ranks.
@@FlokiTechThat's why we shouldn't count lower ranks here because they'll lose to the most stupidest things . Bryan and Reina are difficult .
@@DiegoXRA they are difficult for sure, but Bryan is definitely not that hard
Zafina isn’t even easy at lower ranks also. He put her in the same tier as King who can win games at low ranks with zero combos because his damage output is insane.
Hard bias 😂
I think raven is difficult. You can get away with dumb shit vs low ranks for sure but managing back turn and flowing between stances without getting stuck is tough, all his tools and pressure are based on mental frame advantage, 14f df1, no launcher until 16f, ravu wavu is tough. He's not particularly strong either. Has to take a lot of risk to get anything done.
Cook up, doubt he played much Raven
Raven in T8 he's very unique, sick and dope so far... but only thing that they buff are his pokes, his Soulzone Stance it's leagues better than Master Raven's Haze Stance because the transition of moves are coming quicker, but he still has no 15 frame launcher or a solid 15 frame punish, his hopkick remains to be a joke of a oribital heel, but that's all fine because not every character in the game should have the same tools, so he still remains to some degree very unsafe. His one good low down 3 use to be plus but got nerfed, so now his neutral lows are't very solid and all of his stance lows are launch punishable. All of his shadows are 14 frame punishable so it is more in the opponents favor to interrupt him, he also lost his Magic 4, d/f4 and qcf 1 no longer launches on hit or counter hit, his backturn grabs are gone, because you can do now only generic grabs from his BT. So they turned him into an unsafe character relying mostly only on his mix ups gimmick to do very good with him in the right hands of use of course. So when most characters in this game are mix up characters they just get more reward and less punishment. If they at least made some of his shadows -12 on block then I think that it would make him a lot better, other than that he's gonna rely mostly on his Shenanigans. 🤷🏻♂️☯️✌️
Tekken players just as r3tarded as ever. Difficult doesn't equal weak and vice versa. I swear most of yall talking shit never even been to blue ranks, most of the players shouldn't really talk about the game at all, it's not just a shame but a pain to read.
This is a good list. I just hate that people think just because a character is on the easier side, they're going to fully get carried. It only works till u get to the actual high ranks where knowledge matters. In high ranks you have to really excel with jin, lars, and even asuka since her moves aren't the fastest and people can easily punish them.
Thats true, Lars stopped working for me once I hit Garyu and now I have to do the work.
Thats why these types of tier lists are pretty useless and inconsistent to make. Its better to either make a tier list for each separate skill level or to have an execution-gameplan chart
@@Tendon478 yup but scrupman is an insipid one. Anakin's one is pretty solid. This one is biased as USUAL.
lars is always easy and no u aint doing any work just cuz you pressed 2 times mid instead of 2 times low@@strayzzfaxz6740
That’s what players need to realize. Just because a character is easy to use, doesn’t automatically mean they’re easy to utilize. Great example is Claudio. Even though he may be “easy to use”, he’s very difficult to utilize due to majority of his moves having negative frames, being too honest and having minimal pressure. But then again, most of these players don’t dig that deep down and just look at what’s on the surface.
Wow you put so much work in this video it's actually insane. Very informative with a side of classic TMM rant - really enjoyed it, I'm glad you took a while to explain some characters you usually don't, like the Bears (only saying stuff like "a lot of bullshit, no one knows the matchup, no hitbox" and that's it).
The way a lot of commenters are whining about certain characters, like Bryan, is pretty telling about what the median player struggles with. I don't even mean this as an insult, its just really really telling about how different of a game it is compared to higher level of play when people have good matchup knowledge and have a higher defensive proficiency versus people who are still familiarizing themselves with the system, don't know the knowledge checks or the very specific answers to troublesome moves or weird gimmicky strings they haven't seen before.
90% of the player base at purple and below dont even realize theyre only really playing at maybe 5% of the actual skill ceiling of the game.
But what about Devil Jin? I cannot believe that’s a hard character.
This is my first Tekken. I play Alisa and struggle to incorporate chainsaws without getting punished. I’ve been practicing, and have everything but while rising, sidestepping, and chainsaw moves down. I hit Garyu.
Next I play King. I can’t even rank him out of Calvary. 200 games, I’ve won 13!!! (I can’t do the input throws)
Then I pick up Devil Jin and hit Shinryu in 100 games!!! I played 1k on Alisa to hit Garyu. DJ is braindead strong and much easier than Swe thinks. Swe put him so high, which is also his 2nd main. Just a tad fishy…
@@nw6358you probably just learned the game by playing so many games… alisa is piss easy, probably just didnt fit your playstyle…
@@aytuzbro said alisa is harder than devil Jin 💀💀💀He doesn’t know what he’s on about
@@nw6358 As an Alisa main, Alisa is one of the few easier characters to learn, unlike Devil Jin or even Lili
Jack-8 being one of, if not the most newcomer-friendly character being put at "intermidiate" next to jin is such a funny joke
Me patiently waiting for the timestamp 🤣🤣
Nah fr lmao
The main man asked any Chad in class if they can make it...😂😂😂😂😂
I gotchu
Wym, I'm enjoying this whole vid
Working on it xD
I clicked just to hear you say how difficult Kaz is 😂
MASKU
Yea pure BS, kazyza isn't the only character who can't launch a RA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 man this guy is such a hypocrite and his followers so gullible 😌😌😌
He's difficult because he's dogshit at higher levels. He's not hard to pick up, but you have to learn to play around his garbage.
@@rainkage773 are you a child?
idk but i he most likely has a disability@@W00JDA
As a steve main, I feel so fucking vindicated LMFAO
1:52:17 I can't believe the day came where TMM is not blindly ignorant against Xiaoyu's difficulty😭
ure garyu g u dont even know what difficult means
@@Tk.Bogarts I made Garyu in literally 2 days and haven't played and posted since then 💀 what the fck are you talking about lol. I can bet my kidneys I'll beat your ass. Like you think you know more about Xiaoyu's difficulty than a Xiaoyu main and TMM who's been playing for almost 30 years? Take the L and keep crying when you lose lmao
@@Tk.Bogarts mf it's because I play like once a week. I have Fujin now, for someone who rarely plays. Get knocked and keep crying lil bro
@@Tk.Bogarts well I'm a Tekken King now so stfu :) me being a low rank back then meant I had no time to play rank, which I still don't. So stfu and enjoy getting blown up by low IQ idiots.
All timestamps below:
0:00 Intro
8:25 Leroy
12:20 Jack
14:40 Steve
18:12 Panda & Kuma
22:43 Devil Jin
27:05 Lars
30:18 Leo
32:07 Paul
38:18 Raven
41:20 Shaheen
42:55 Alisa
46:36 Lee
54:54 Lili
59:40 Yoshimitsu
1:05:48 Jin
1:10:38 Hwoarang
1:14:38 Nina
1:19:19 Feng
1:26:43 Dragunov
1:33:25 Azucena
1:42:10 Xiaoyu
1:53:30 King
2:01:39 Reina
2:10:02 Law
2:15:25 Jun
2:24:10 Zafina
2:28:54 Kazuya
2:36:10 Claudio
2:38:38 Bryan
2:48:27 Victor
2:56:22 Asuka
Yep it's right there in the description😂
@@JTxTXHe manually typed it bro, hero😂
yep I agree, I'm completely new to Tekken 8 and I'm a boxer so I played Steve for 20 hours and had a very very rough time learning the fundamentals. As soon as I switched to Azucena I started actually improving on what to sidestep what to duck and frame advantage. Love her shes fun to play and we speak the same langauage! As a lightweight boxer I also live off Coffee.
Steve's Lion Heart is not always beaten by a power crush. You did ub2 and said that, but in this situation on hit you are actually +14 and don't have to worry about armor moves. The same with ws2,2 and f2,2(+11). Even after blocked Heat Smash (+8) LNH1 beats Power Crush, heat burst or Rage Art.
Armor moves beat every Lion Heart option only after db3,2 b1,2 3,1,2 and 4,1,2 (+7 )
And you don't have to cancel Lion Heart to PKB to be able to block.
You can just do DCK cancel, block and punish.
Bryan poke game is soo weak, his 50/50 is weak but I swear it feels so rewarding when I win with him.
Normal 50/50 Low/Mid
Bryan 50/50 Mid/High
Calling hatchet a 50/50 is crazy
I’m a complete beginner and chose Steve Fox. I’m currently sitting at Garyu rank pretty happy with this rank.
He's wrong about some of the things he said about Steve, for example, he said Steve no longer has "guard break" but he does. Steve is pretty strong, which is why we're seeing him in tournament play still.
@@funkrates4778Compare to most characters in the game he isn't that strong . You have to work way harder with Steve compare to 90℅ of the characters . Even the new Steve tech is really difficult to use in an actual match .
@@DiegoXRA Yeah. I agree. But like most-actually all characters-once you play them a lot, they become like a second skin. I think once someone has developed an affinity for Steve, he's actually a pretty good character. Not the stronger, for sure, as he was in previous versions, but he's still pretty strong IMO.
@@funkrates4778I just assumed he was talking about the double duck in 2 guard break into knockdown
@@dakotaa141 maybe he was. You could be right. I'd have to go back and listen again.
After it became common knowledge that power crush bears lion heart steve has become so much harder to win with, as you said it feels like you just straight up have to outplay everyone in neutral then get rewarded with low damage.
As a Drag player (relatively new to Tekken, played 100 hours of Tekken 8 and nothing else) I can say that many wins I get I don't even know how did I get them. Too much damage.
This is the video that made me subscribe. Super informative across the board. Thank you MMSWE
I think raven is surprisingly difficult - as a raven main, you really need to understand the game well to make use of him. Other characters may be hard to use mechanically but game wise they dont require much knowledge. I'd say Shaheen is another character whos easy move wise but when it comes to execution and game plan he is difficult, just like how Bryan is hard execution and hard game plan in higher ranks
Bryan has no difficult execution other than TJU. TB4 can be done reliably with the proper input technique. No more Magic 4 pick up.
Bryans high rank game plan is called "thinking".
Raven main here, yes he's not as straight forward as other characters especially now in T8 with how some reliable buttons for me have gained heat properties changing their situational usage. I've only picked him up in T7 and got used to backwards stance then, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around Soulzone/3+4 stance moves now.
Yeah I agree, raven ain’t no walk in the park, difficult at higher ranks. I am currently having difficulty getting out of flame ruler. 😅😅
I found Raven hard to play online just because of matches being limited to first-to-2. Feel like that character starts to excel once you've conditioned your opponent but ft2 just isn't enough time to do that, especially with all the cowards leaving after one game.
bro try playing steve his gameplan is basically: read your opponent.
Not being able to fly on block with samsara really hurts your options as DJ in a game where most characters have a lot of cheap shennanigans to get you, but what its worse the f4, 3 is practically useless unless you win the mental games and make your opponent press on the second kick. Hitting the first one doesnt guarantee the second one which is launch punisheable on block.
I would love a nerf to his crusher just to get the fly option back.
Boo-hoo
Steve's need to constantly enter, exit and cancel stances just to make mediocre moves safe is exhausting. As a new Tekken player, it's getting really irritating and I'm wondering why I bothered picking this character. Peekaboo cancelling from lionheart is really difficult and just the fact that you need to duck cancel to make df2, a non homing, non launching MID mid feels like garbage. I feel like I'm working weirdly hard in order to do literally nothing.
That’s real
You Steve mains got it bro I seen that dudes moves and stuff and packed it up I CAN NOT play him 😭😭😭
Just play Bryan
I simply do not understand how Bryan is the most difficult character. Every counterargument is "but hes hard to win with at high level". So is everyone.
I mean, TMM explained it. He's excruciating to play with against people who know the game. His moves are so limited compared to everyone else's BS. he's very honest and requires you to work very hard. Anything below Fujin is easy.
I don't really get your point.
Bryan has one good low that is only accessible out of backsway. At the highest levels of play, everyone is so familiar with Bryan and how he operates so his only real way to open people up is to just be the better player. There's no gimmicks or knowledge checks to rely on
The frame that bryan has is not that good to the all character the poking isnt good and the mid is suck
Suck to be bryan main need buff asap
You actually believe every character has the same level of difficulty spike at higher level
TMM was talking about Kuma and unironically said "bear with me"
lee definitely got easier in t8, but i still feel like he deserves very difficult, maybe at the bottom of it if u were to rank the characters in each tier, but def up there.
Agreed, although I'm only red rank so I don't get all the ins and outs. Changes to his b3,3 and nerfs to every other magic 4 make things easier, but not easier than DJs heat bs for example. And his CH fishing is buffed just by the virtue of the game's aggressive playstyle, but he doesn't have much for keep out against aggressive characters with good reach imo
@@ryanvibert7245his CH game is buffed by the new speed and mechanics of the game but I feel like because of how much non CH stuff they removed a turtle now absolutely destroys Lee even more, and also now a lot of moves have blue spark moves and now u must implement while rising moves mid combo which all increase the difficulty
Yeah it's definitely very hard at high level, which makes no sense because this is supposed to be based on high level play, I'm nearly blue rank and devil Jin Hella/ Bryan are easy compared to lee
@@Sugabullets bryan i have to partially disagree with, i'd say they're around equal, but ONLY if we are considering taunt canceling
His magic 4 combo is really hard ngl
lmao, i literally just fight a raijin alisa with a defend lilkes cavalry. Her string and gimmicks is OP
Claudio is my pocket character but I think he’s really under the radar. I’m literally beating Fujins with fundamentals alone. I have very low character optimization and only a week of practice. In a game that promotes aggression he kills with CH tools. Plus his running 2 in heat does CRAZY damage. I can do like 54 damage with that one hit alone. I’m literally robbing games with him
Beating fujins with fundamentals just really make you a good player tho. Not that it makes claudio strong, he was better in 7
3 hours to talk about how hard Kazuya is? TMM needs to be stopped.
I don’t feel like Steve does no damage combo wise it’s more just overall pressure and neutral. He has 50/50s but they do no damage. The less damage the 50/50’s do the more I gotta keep doing them which gives the opponents more chances to guess right. That would be fine if the risk = the reward, but like Steve during pressure if the opponent guesses at minimum Steve is holding a 50/50 at most you can kill Steve. Same thing with his neutral buttons except the worse part being his best neutral buttons make you lose your come back factor. Steve can 1 million % steam roll though ESPECIALLY if you can’t react to grabs
Yeah, weird that we have to keep winning forced 50/50 over and over again, but they figure it out even once and you just die for it.
“Safest” character in the game moment.
Currently top 100 with Panda. His explanation on kuma in the beginning was spot on. Knowing fundamentals as a bear player ends up running the timer. The bears don't have enough when it comes to fundamental moves.
why has he got nina in easy, when most people put her amongst the hardest character in the game?
He hates her, thats it.
Every character he hates deserves to be seen as braindead dumb character and you dont deserve your win.
Thats an exageration xD, but seriously if you want an opinion less biased see the tier list of other people
@abdulkarimelnaas7595in all honesty I would never take any tier list ever seriously. They are fun but reductive and useless I feel overall and usually just used to make excuses like “it’s cause this is sooo hard, it’s cause it’s sooo easy” instead of just playing the game lmao
Because he's biased towards Nina. Knee himself has said Nina is difficult to use well. She's a high ceiling / high execution character.
Putting Shaheen in easy and lili in intermediate is crazy, those are the only two characters i play in this game and I can't imagine a universe where lili is the harder of those two characters to play personally.
Love the Steve Fox assessment. I completely agree as a Steve main. Hes not a threat anymore and bad damage lol
47:15 dick jab beats many DES (chainsaw) options. FrameWhipser's video on how to deal with chainsaw pressure is very helpful.
Zafina didn’t feel that easy to me. maybe if you do one and dones and never rematch, but people catch on after that.
Used to play Azucena and she was childs play in comparison
Bro zafina is easy asf
@@Coollegalass not on the same level as several characters in her tier. you can’t mash out big damage and steal rounds instantly. There’s no way on earth king is on the same level as her in terms of easiness.
@@KnucklesWTD not the easiesbut still easy
It's a tier list on how easy the characters are to play, not how easy they are to rank up with.
@@MegaCityGhost lol I mean it’s inconsistent either way. Paul is intermediate to play? Same tier as raven?
King is just “easy”, and not “very easy”? same tier as Zafina?
Dvj still does insane damage with minor execution, a hellsweep that hits grounded, launching panic move, full throw game. he is not locked to execution as much as before
Fun fact, kazuya’s back 4 kicks victor out of his EXPULSION
After all these years earing mainman giving ling a fair analisys is truly a breath of fresh air. Now we wait for lei to release.
Oh man, my favorite type of content from you.
love you man, highly informative and entertaining.
man you been playin lots of tekken huh ? dont forget to rest too
I’m kinda surprised how much tmm’s opinion changed on characters. Xiaoyu mains are gonna be shocked.
I just wanted to mention briefly that the matchup knowledge argument for Kuma can also be applied at a lower level.
As a new player to Tekken myself, I find that there is sooooo much to learn and most of the decisions I make are about the order or priority I want to learn the things in.
A beginner player who has a Kuma playing friend might have very poor fundamentals, but win against a very high ranking Kuma who "cheesed" his way through the ladder. That phenomenon doesn't only apply at the highest level.
Made an update and put eddy to "i can do this with a blindfold with one arm behind my back".
This is the first time I've seen you talk about Xiao in a very honest and objective way :D She's my main, and yes she is very strong in T8 (and lets be honest, us Ling mains have been waiting for this day for a long time), but she isn't pairing the evasiveness with every other tool like Feng, or the movement with every other tool like Alisa, or the mixups with every other tool like Azucena. She's one of those characters who needs practice, but once you get the practice, you can do some real crazy stuff. People lose to AoP down because they spam jabs, not realizing that AoP down needs a bit of timing to evade stuff. Xiaoyu forces people into a matchup where they can't autopilot their character. That's why they're mad. How do you beat it? Don't let her autopilot. Keep the Xiao on her toes, keep her guessing, and put her in a situation where she has fewer options. That's when she needs to take huge risks. Xiao players love when you come in with obvious BS, cause she is designed to get around that. That's all.
I'm based in Japan, and the landscape here, where I'm fighting Japanese and Korean players mostly, is very different. There are people I run into that have no idea what she's doing. There are people who know her stuff in and out. I can't cali roll spam, I can't randomly do AoP, and I can't just do HYP mixes. They all have that down at my level. That's when you need to be creative, and it's why I love playing her so much.
You really don't know Nina at all, yeah string spamming will get you to fujin but that's not the character, she's more execution demanding in t8 than she was in t7 due to new mechanics (new ender db2 into qcf4,3,1+2). also her gameplan is to get in opponent's face cause there's where her tools shine, with some space all of her moves tend to whiff due to being linear or not having much range (f4 as an addition helps but its far from a perfect get in move) she doesnt really have very good approaching moves (wr 1+2 is linear, slide is launch punishable and linear, and f4 can be floated and stepped easily aswell) and that's where good players with a decent defense will kill nina, she has to use a execution mechanic ss1 back cancel to get to open opponents cause all of her lows are 20 frames or slower (having a complete throw game helps a lot). Still Nina is pretty strong and competent in this game, but i just really don't understand your speech, you put paul whose weakness is quite similar to nina's in the same tier as her when she is literally 3 times more execution demanding than him...
He has Tekken God Nina in T7
that doesn't mean shit , he really relied on other people ignorance of the character and spammed some strings he didn't do any ss1 cancels which are crucial @@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584
@@ahmedrahaim6877 by Tekken lifespan end, most people who were playing were people who were usually people who were top of skill. And ss1 isn't an essential it's just a solid wall carry technique.
Again MainMan can do that, even made a guide on it
ruclips.net/video/RAEch2DQFZU/видео.htmlsi=3Mp-WQjvITE4Ulvg
It's just something when you haven't practiced in a while it wouldn't be consistent
@@i_dont_have_a_youtube_chan8584 you are confusing ss1 cancels which are for neutral and ws1 loops. in that video he does not do all the variances of ws1 combos, doing them is easy if you have execution lol but nina literally has just frame ws1 pick ups. in that video he does the eaaaasiest part of the ws1 loop mechanic, i recommend you to learn more about nina cause you clearly don't know her either. and btw ws1 loops are necessary for optimal combos so you know.
Playing as yoshimitsu, you hit the pints so well, but people never realize how many lives he has and how many options I have to ruin your day. It takes time and I’m still learning, but I just love how complex he is to adapt to scenarios and throw people off. Mashers and offensive players just don’t do well at all….I love the look of him as well, coolest character to me as a newbie😄
Reina might have a high skill ceiling but god damn is that character easy to pick up and flowchart. I main Bryan and after a week of playing her matched my peak rank(fujin).
ff2 and df1 utility is so powerful and simple to use and there is so much more.
I don't think its fair to say a character is hard because they have too many good moves. Does she actually have to play optimally? Hell no?
Is her counter play obvious, no. Also db2 and hellsweep are not shit lows.
My hot take is I honestly think Yoshi is harder.
db2 is a 20 frame low that does not high crush that is launch punishable and is -3 ON HIT. It absolutely is a shit low. Hellsweep is good though. That's the problem though, all her lows are either launch punishable, her safest low is -13. For that, she has one that's 20 frames minimum (ss4) that's neutral on hit. She has db4 which is i16, -13 but does legit like 7 damage and is still minus on hit. Her lows are objectively pretty terrible compared to basically every character in the game. But her mids are insanely oppressive, ff2 needs a nerf methinks.
Yeah i dont know what mainman is on about thinking reina is so hard. Shes the easiest and most allround mishima, lets be real.
@@PKrazorleaf I'm biased because I play her but I think it's gonna be one of those things where matchup knowledge is the most important. I can see many Reina players I go against struggling to win because I know her punishes and it's honestly kinda laughable sometimes how easy it is to beat her. I really suggest taking some time to pay attention to what's going on and see the flowcharts that these bad players use - once you get higher (or if you play her yourself) you'll see how locked in you have to be at all times to make things work on her. Also I wanna point out that as of the last winrate thing we saw, she's still on the bottom so I'm not sure if it's as easy to pick up and play as some people suggest - even in ruler+
Agreed, Reina is easy af
I tried to play Jun after Reina and for me as a beginner, Reina was and still is a complete nightmare to play.
Her inputs are much much harder to execute for a beginner, especially if you wanna do the electric version of all the windgodstep moves (which I still cannot do in real matches). Jun's inputs are so much easier and fun to use, also she has many more save moves that leave her with + on block.
Most of reina's lows are minus on hit (except for the hellsweep and ss4 which is 0 lol) as it was said previously, so you have to guard most of the time after them.
Also, spamming ff2 will not work forever because some players (mostly in higher ranks) can interrupt it perfectly each time Reina has a Sentai animation after ff2.
I hate that they completely simplified jin compared to how he was in T7 but atleast he isn't braindead.
Reina being very difficult is cap I will die on this hill
Low waifu skill floor, insane Mishima skill ceiling lol. Crazy MMS called it within the first few days of the game being out.
It's easy and hard too depends on the level u r playing for beginners and intermediate goings againg her is hard but when u r at high level she is easy to counter
yeah sure, the 44% winrate character has a "low waifu skill floor"
You guys are completely braindead
Come back When you play her against high level players who unlike you know how to counter most of her moves bcz they're so linear and punishable
I mean she’s still a Mishima at the end of the day
As someone who play Tekken from T2 and trying to main Yoshi for the first time I definetely think your analysis is perfect.
I struggle to find an OP move with him, he seems to have a lot of easily parriable middle and high. The strenght is in the mix up but you have to know the entire arsenal and it's really difficult at first. And as you said you have to play him with a brain.
I really hate when someone who never try a character say he's supereasy or things like that.
to those who don't understand why maimman calls bryan the most difficult character in the game... watch the FT10 set between Knee and Arslan. Arslan used Victor and brought the set to 7-3 against Knee's Bryan. It was painful to watch Knee do anything he can to break Arslan's defense. Then Knee switched to Dragonuv and won the set 10-9.
Bryan is pretty good beginner to intermediate. once you get to those tekken god ranks its 100% outplay. and this is the perspective mainman gives us because these are ranks he plays in.
@@calvinasuncion4287 Playing Bryan is just miserable at Fujin+
@@CountChokcula hes miserable even at red :(
@@calvinasuncion4287then you just have a lot left to learn
@@VarsityAthlete04 youre not wrong, but i bet id be in purple or above by now if i were playing someone like paul, reina, howrang, lili, etc.
Am I the only one who only watches the part where he talks about your main lol
Yes the one and onliest, nobody ever in this entire world would do this, youre the boy who survived, the holy grail
you go girl
Man is speaking the truth about Yoshi. I am so sick of people accusing him of being brain dead until you finally start playing against good players who know how to counter him. That type of mentality when enough idiots complain about him will get him nerfed, when he doesn't need to be nerfed. I'm more concerned about balancing moving forward into the future with the current balancing team in place at the moment, especially with what we have seen with the Leroy nerfs.
well the whine made him nerfed when he was having a good time being super strong but in high lvl of play the character is totally not a tourney character and become predictable unless the yoshi is creative
I mained him in T7 and he indeed feels stronger in T8. You can't always duck 31, cuz Yoshi can go for 32, which is mid and has exactly the same startup frames. 3 by itself is -9, so if you don't want to commit into 32 then you can go for twelve frame df4 safe mid check as well. [3~4] into helicopter feels really strong in this game. df31 is safe mid mid that deals chip dmg. ub1+3 1+3 unblockable is great too. That new soul calibur move from kincho stance is hit confirmable mid, which is safe if you don't extend it. Damage is higher than in T7 and that's why Yoshi is a lot easier to play in T8, cuz you just need less interactions with your opponent to score a win.
thats the thing, you need to be good to beat a yoshi player.
Thanks for these. Even just these brief summaries help me understand the matchup a bit more.
Nina and Zafina in easy category? Nah, I disagree. Sure, Nina has moves you can abuse especially with an average opponent, but at high level play better players will catch on to her spam and her execution can get very difficult imho. I do agree that she doesn’t have to rely on high execution quite as much as she did in previous Tekkens though.
Zafina definitely has easier execution, but I feel she is very tricky to properly use and you have to work harder for wins. There’s a reason people are begging for buffs for Zafina.
Same.
Pov: Red Rank Nina player
It’s a rinse and repeat summary for Nina. However I do agree that she has less reliance on her high execution moves than the Tekken’s before. As you move up the ranks you’ll encounter more and more people that are able to punish her spammable strings, tho.
Brooo wtfff zafina is easy asf
Out of all S tier characters I never saw that any Nina player beat TMM. Never. He got beated by every other S tier character but not Nina. She is super tough to learn on high levels, even harder than Kazyua. And he is keep saying that she is braindead and super powerfull by showing some beginner strings. Like WTF
He fights like real thats why🔥 kickboxing ❤️
nina and zafina being "easy" while paul and gun jack are "intermediate" is hilarious LOL
i think he just means when playing online, its easy to be zafina because you’re more than likely gonna be able to knowledge check everyone until you get to a high rank.
He changed Nina at the end to intermediate at least
Just because a character is easier to do the basic mechanics on doesn't mean they're easy to win with. Piloting zafina is harder than Paul, but winning with Zafina is significantly easier.
He ranked Nina in intermediate though...
I put this is on as a bit of background entertainment while I played street fighter casuals.
I looked away to play, looked back and my guy was drawing diagrams and doing fractions
I disagree, Reina is intermediate at best, I got Tekken king within 2-3 weeks and I wasn’t just playing Reina the entire time. Same with devil jin, I got up him up to kishin within the first few weeks when the game dropped and just stopped playing him. I agree kazuya and steve are very difficult to rank up, just got my kaz up to Tekken emperor and he’s my main who I play 70% of the time. But I feel like these lists are up to the player and how they feel when they play a certain character. I find jin more difficult than Reina tbh
Hey just curious you mind explaining how Jin is more difficult?
@@georgeross18it’s just a personal opinion when I played ranked I found jin a lot tougher to play with and rank up, This may be due to Reina being a new character so not a lot of people know her moves as compared to jin ( when to duck or interrupt, side step ect)
@@skeletor1177i agree it blows my mind when people say jin is easy… im a pretty seasoned player and i can use any mishima in the game and out of everyone jin was definitely the hardest for me to rank up with
I appreciate you for breaking down Xiaoyu and understanding that she is difficult. Heavily a setup character. Thanks for also saying she's not braindead. She gets a lot of hate. I understand SHE IS BROKEN. But maining her for all these years have certainly helped me be pretty good at defense. 💯💯🙏🏾
Throwing hate at characters you don't like is pure bullshit
Oh nooooooooooo, TMM doesn't agree with my opinions? Touch grass
I'm an intermediate player, and Devil Jin is super difficult to play. His combos have a lot of cancels which is really hard to nail down. Especially since I bought a stick for T8, very new to it. Also, the EWGF usage is just so hard to use with the threat of a launch or duck into punish from other characters. Really overwhealming for me when I play. Will practice some more though.
bryan being difficult is a lie to make bryan players seem like they god like but really they just counter hitting u from half screen
Play him if he's so easy dummy
yeah hes cheap
If Bryan's counter hitting from half screen, both players are probably terrible lol. Only move that can do that is 3+4, and better players can step it or space it out for a whiff punish. B1 essentially could to, but it's also so easy to read from afar.
@@thetrickster4899exactly I understood why people complained about him in 7 but to call him cheap in this game is absolutely insane he is 100% one of the harder characters to win with I've been stuck in tenryu for the last 2 weeks with him red ranks have been hell if I put the time I put into Bryan into Jin I'd probably be in purples probably near blues
@@AyCarpbro at this point every character is cheap including ur main
Judging characters based on whether others know matchup or not is a joke. I understand that at low and medium ranks it may matter, but at high ranks not so much. Moreover, are we judging whether people know matchup or how difficult a character is to learn?
You are talking about Raven, mentioning his move b1+2 which is used quite rarely, while not developing the basis of learning his CD (which is the basis of this character). What's more, you don't mention its lacks in neutral, such as the 15f launcher, its BT position, which has to be manually reversed and which is often obstacle in the beginning of learning.
Yea. I have noticed that to. He is not consistent in the way he judges some characters.
I mean the comment proves his point. I don't know anything about raven and i probably won't because no one plays him. Maybe I might meet 1 in 50 matches. Plus no one labs every character people are more likely to sit start the game and go into rank without warmup
@@SesoKoza-ut4bd If you are going to spend the next 10 years in the red ranks, he may be right, but we are talking about the full potential of the character, not half of the spectrum of his possibilities. It's like you were considering Kazuya without taking wavu or pewgf into account.
I've been playing Raven since t7 at high ranks and I must admit that high-ranked players know the basics of this character, so you can't play him assuming your opponent doesn't know matchup. It is also worth mentioning that a large part of the move list is transferred from the previous tekken, of course with a large number of changes, but it is not like this is a new character and no one knows him. So, as I mentioned earlier, MM did not mention the basic things of this character, such as CD (it is the equivalent of wavu and Raven's gameplay is largely based on it), such fundamental things as BT, SZN, etc. I do not require MM to know every character, but it was he who decided to make this tier list and omitted the foundation of the character, which is a significant mistake. For example, Anakin also made such a list and he, for example, referred to this character taking into account its full spectrum of possibilities and placed Kazuya right next to him -isn't it a big discrepancy?
Im a bryan main. I listened to this while working out. Hit 250 on bench for 8 reps while you were mentioning how bryan has no get off me tools. Neither do i, i just gotta push the weight off my chest.
he says that Nina is easy but he can't do a difficult combo.... hypocrisy, I practically do the "difficult combos" with the kazuya that he plays and no, I certainly wouldn't put him in difficult
So you can do 31 cancels consistently? And sidestep electrics? Cry more
Gameplan matters more than execution. Execution matters much more when it is necessary for the character to function at a basic level.
@@Timethyclicketh bro, if Kazuya's hardest part is doing electric and side steps with electric then I'm a pro player with him
He has Nina at Tekken God in T7 and that was the weaker variant
@@victormisterio wave/backdash/sidestep/combination of all three into electric on both sides can never be mastered. Even pro players like boa, knee, choksae and many others drop ewgf from time to time. Just learning ewgf is very different from becoming consistent with it and mastering it. His hardest execution hurdle isn't any of this tho, it's his launch punishing. Go and try to launch -14 and -15 attacks with electric and see how inconsistent it is.
Kazuya's difficulty mostly comes from lack of panic moves and lackluster pokes which make him weak against pressure and good offense, making the character require good matchup knowledge, timing and defense to even function at the intermediate levels while most characters don't require any of that till higher levels.
I feel like its hard to pinpoint what makes a char hard, as i play most chars somewhat decently i'd have to say gameplay is indeed the biggest one for me at least. But some people see difficulty different cos whats easy for 1 might be difficult for another and changing their mind is impossible. I know that cos a guy i played said that zafina and claudio are the same level off difficulty and cheese, which blew my mind that he truly believed that.
Did i just hear Mainman of all people say devil jin's hellsweap is worse than kazuya's???????
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU AND WHERE IS KAZUYAMANSWE?????
Damn Mainman, you actually have developed a soft spot for Xiaoyu. Brings a tear to my eye. 🥲
Yeah bro its so hard pressing ff2 on reina, very difficult character😂
I’m trying to learn xiaoyu and ur segment about it is way more useful then any xiaoyu channels guides.
Remember all the rage against Jin on the demo. Now I feel like I barely see him
Its so funny how his d2 went from "Most broken move in the game" to "reactable low, kinda useless in High Rank.". IMO, Jin is weaker in Tekken 8 as he was in 7
Nice downplay but jin should be harder to use, his D2 should be nerfed since it's a ch launcher and + onhit and it's only -14. It invalidates the use of his other lows.@@Alex-Omega
@alexomega1843 Cause there was no Feng, Dragonuv, Alisa, Victor, Reina etc in the demo. Jin is still very strong and has a tool for every situation, so there's not much to complain about with him
I see him a lot and his is still S tier
@@Alex-Omega U must be joking... Hes easy mode super safe and very strong character. Perfect tournament character
Reina is still kinda like panda and Kuma as far as rank goes. Many don’t know the matchup so ranking up is pretty easy.
Me playing victor: he’s brain dead your carried
Me switch to raven: oh no one knows him your carried
There will always be an excuse. Play who you like. You still have to beat people online and know their matchups.
try steve 😂
Pretty much man just play the game however u like if u aint competing then all dat is just information thats fun to know. U bought the game the character is in it and u play whoever u want
Man I just play jun and idgaf about what people say, she is imo the most fun character to play
and thats deadass all that matters no one owes u shit, an example like the recent capcom cup everyone and their mother was using luke can someone say shit to them? hell nah and these are pros playing for money it doesnt really matter at the end of the day@@gowther4312
@@tristanherb49He has evasion.
It's my first Tekken but not first fighting game ( and I'm usually high ranked on SF/Guilty ) and I picked Xiaoyu as a first char to go. I love to play setup characters because you can outsmart people and this is a fun thing to do. I'm Tenryu atm with Xiaoyu and I have Reina, Alisa, Jun, Steve and Yoshi between Garyu/Shinryu. It took me around 3h without lab to get to Garyu with Alisa and Jun. With Xiaoyu I had to lab alot, learn the combos, go trough all the skill list, watch games from pro to understand how the character was working. Honnestly, I probably spent like 50h in lab with Xiaoyu. She is really hard to play. People just repeat " AOP BROKEN NERF NERF " mindlessly. Yea, AOP is strong. But it's not unbeatable at all. I get hit all day in AOP by people mashing. It's very situational and not easy to setup. Hypnotist in my opinion is way more strong than AOP and for some reason people don't cry about it why ? Because your mash works against against hypnotist where it does not work against AOP. I think people get pissed off by Xiaoyu because it's a good character to make a fool of people pressing their linear strings or tech rolling. She is one of the knowledge check character from this game.
Dear bryan haters,
Playing bryan at an average skill level is not hard, noone has ever said that. You can ditch taunt entirely in low ranks and just dominate with counterhits the same way you can with any other "DeFeNsIvE pUnIsH cHaRaCtEr", whatever the fuck that means.
The advanced tools involving taunt, doubletaunt, taunt-dashing, and the wall oki combos that tend to be se*ist or dont work on bears are where things begin to get difficult. Every character has something like this but not many among the cast are expected to do just frames for oki.
But to call him the hardest? Hell no bruh its probably steve. Also I think lee gets too much hate in this game
Besides downloading TMMs combo vids on TZ 20 years ago and him being mad funny, these takes where he is brutally honest is why I have him at the top of content creators!
Wow 3 hour TEKKEN lecture from the main man ... Very interesting 😂😂😂
1:43:34 is the most important thing in this whole video. So many people will talk shit without having ANY idea of how these characters actually play. All they know is being on the receiving end of "bullshit" without knowing how hard the other player had to work for it, or how easy it would be to counter player if you labbed worth a fuck.
Reina doesn't belong anywhere near the top. She's a mishima with no reason to use any mishima tools. Her entire 'neutral' is ff2
Just duck🗿
Ducking a mid? Who are you? The missed brother of Knee or something?
@mrkimori7944 its a joke bro🗿 (or you can play xiaoyu)
Seriously, Mainman doesn't understand that people don't disagree that she's difficult but putting her into "very difficult" when she has the entire mishima package (except a launching hellsweep) and more.
@@DD-fs7pg putting Reina above Nina, Raven and Hwoarang is insane.
As a hwoarang main I would say he's hard to use at high level. It's kind of funny considering you said just frame sky rocket is the mid you want though it is an actual just frame. Trying to optimize his damage is also difficult
As someone who's played since Tekken 3, I never understood why people say that Bryan is a hard character to play. The only people who actually use taunt Jet upper in a real match are those who are probably Tekken God or above, most of his moves do crazy amounts of damage, his execution isn't even hard, his counter hit tools might be the best in the game, and his wall damage is too high.
Bryan is hard because hus gameplan is difficult to apply and he relies so much on timing.
You basically have to catch on to someone's timing extremely quickly if you want to beat them with Bryan.
@callanharvey6264 every character relies on timing.
He’s a Tekken 7 character in Tekken 8, his heat is one of the worst in the game, he doesn’t have any real 50/50, that being said let’s see his strong points which are wall (if you encounter a Bryan in Yakushima or Colloseum you have already won the match basically)m counter hits which are strong but good luck against someone who actually knows about the game and doesn’t press every 0.1 seconds and his taunt which you already admitted it’s hard, so yeah I would say he deserves the spot since I literally can’t name 5 characters harder than him
From Heihachi in 7 to directly Bryan in 8 without knowing anything about him but man i love his fighting style
Steve be like , lets poke the foe to death
May not do a lot of damage but damn it feels good
Good luck with that man in a game where everyone is Naruto and sasuke to even try to do something with Steve is impossible
thank you for so much information! it just helped me a lot as a Tekken beginner
Been playing xiaoyu since T3. glad she got a glow-up.
Enjoy as long as you can, that wont last for much longer
@@Alex-Omega 😂
I play with Steve as my main and I’ll tell you making it to mighty ruler was very, very difficult
The Bryan agenda needs to stop, dude. It's getting absolutely ridiculous. 💀
This ain't an agenda
Alisa main spotted
gotta respect the man for his comments about the game and the community at 1:44:00