What You Don't Know About Shielding | Void Guides
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I watched a ton of tournament footage when ult came out and realized their shields were coming out way faster than mine and they were always angled forward. Went to training mode and had an epiphany that the run animation can be cancelled into shield if you hit shield while running instead of setting the stick back to neutral. Changed my life
But if you dashwalk you can too, but it takes way more practice to pull of on a viable way.
Dangggg nice
wait for real?
1000 hours and i didnt know this
@@sahlaysta3399 1500 hrs, also didn't know this
I played for so long wondering what was wrong with my shield when I watch pros. No one else could explain this in my region for some reason. Thank you!
I have spent so much time trying to find out how people did this but i could never find the proper inputs 😂 thx a lot and good luck with strive!
I always thought they were doing some wild start stop dash shield trick.....turns out it was just way too simple haha great piece of info
This makes ground game feel so much better, ty
My ground movement is ass LMAO
Esams ground movement: trash.
Pikachuu: busted.
Void: goated.
Hotel???: trivago.
You should go boxing ring and train your movement better 🤔
@@huh9400 People can change.
@@InfernalLuminary Doesn’t mean that we can’t poke jokes. The last thing we need is a buzzkill
@@Qafdz Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD.
What if you made a mistake in the past and regretted it so much but people just wouldn't let it go and they always reminded you of it and joked about it. You wouldn't feel good, I don't care what you say, you would feel like dogshit. People seem to think comedy excuses everything, fuck that BS, learn how to use the empathy you were born with.
Think I was already doing this and just didn't realize it. Good tip to know though so I am more aware of it.
Yeah instinctively hitting shield in the middle of dash worked well so I keep doing it but not very intentionally xD
Sheik and corrin have the fast dash shield so it’s super important for them
I actually thought I was doing it wrong because my reaction time was too slow. Thank you so much for enlightening me!
I'm surprised no one has asked the natural question: Why do you have to hold the control stick? The reason is that you have to be running (or about to run) to shield. When you hold forward and hold shield, what actually happens is that on the frame that your dash would normally transition into run, your character will shield. Here's the takeaway: whenever you want to quickly move and shield, tell yourself to *run* and shield, and you'll never mess it up.
I'll try that out
Instructions unclear ended up rolling
@@davidecimino7112 You're pressing shield too quickly. There's a brief window at the start of your dash where pressing shield will activate a roll. The fastest dash shields in the game are frame 8 if memory serves, so you don't need to press shield very quickly.
Void coming in again with the simple yet amazing tip I never thought of! Watching tournaments I'd notice how fast shields came up and just thought mine was slow due to wifi lag 😅😅. Now I know it was me all along.
when you dash shield your shield come out at frame 8, if you do a dash THEN shield your shield come out at frame 14 means that dash shield is 6 frames faster. also thx gsmVoiD for showing me that this tech was a thing
Uhhhh idk but 8 frames isn't 2 times 14 if I'm not completely dumb
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Love this series of videos about the tech in Ultimate (like Lagless Landing and Dashing). They're super informative, clean, and easy to understand even for a casual like me. These deserve way more attention and I hope you're able to make more!
Low key this was explained in the tutorials Sakurai gave in the beginning of ultimate. Good refresher for those new or those who missed the initial presentations
So was it explained in those tutorials or not? How is it a refresher for someone new who hasn't seen those tutorials
I scrolled way too far for this comment
@@totraspook why not see the trailer ?
Only 2 videos I've watched of yours and my gameplay is significantly improved. I never find videos like this that really go into all the wierd lil tidbits about competitive play. Love it. Thanks for everything.
Appreciate the dash shield lesson, Mr. The Weekend.
Found out about this on my own a few months back and being able to finally shield projectiles felt like heaven
For real. There was an article I read recently online on this super rare mechanic that people supposedly didn't know. All it was, was linking shooting 2 arrows after picking up one. I told myself I actually knew that already but definitely forgot about it for awhile, I just thought it was funny how people love to claim credit for something that was revealed on the dawn of ultimate.
@@redfieldwong717 lolllllllll
Wow I’ve never seen this before, much appreciated!
It is absolutely mind blowing the amount of time I put in this game and never knew this...
This helps sooooooo much!!!! I just found this on my recommended, and i could not be more excited, thank you!!
More tech for the Isabelle main to figure out, thank you, thank you for the tip, I'll use it wisely
I love videos like these, since it really helps motivate me to learn something. I knew about the optimal method before, but I didn't realize how much of a difference it made, so I never tried it.
If this one simple thing turns out to be as gamechanging as I'm expecting it to be, I will proceed to thank you, give you a handshake and a free sub of your choice once I become a top player.
Thank you.
2:24 when you get spoiled on Summit mafia by a twitch chatter through a yt video
This is a very useful little tech that I will hopefully make use of MK B META
Your videos are teaching me so much. Really appreciate it .
keep moving forward
Holy shit the fast shield alone makes it looks way more like high level movement. Thanks!
Can we talk about the mad satisfying thumbnail??
I’ve needed this video for so long. Thank you 🙏
You should make a video about looking at your opponent! I feel like a ton of people who don't know they should be doing that
Thank you so much man I kept on getting hit by things like charge shot because of this
I've played the game since release and only found out about this like a month or two ago LOL it makes such a huge difference, I'm surprised I haven't seen it elsewhere beforehand
There's no way that I came to know this just now! Ty my savior!
Thank you so much. The fact that I main a slow character makes this information critical for me. I struggled closing the gap on range zoners & I believe this will help me. Again, thank you.
Thank you, I've been hit too many times from trying to shield after dashing.
Oh no I hope this doesn’t turn like Smash 4 where everybody just did run up shield
nah mashing aerials is still a strong option
yep I realized I was doing this wrong back in Smash4 , iirc it looked even more obvious back then so I learned how to dash shield correctly then and carried over to Ult
I've never not done this, I wasn't even aware I was doing something right, I'm by no means a tournament ready player.
Perhaps it's because ultimate isn't my first smash game. Ultimate has these insanely long initial dashes that would encourage this tap forward on the stick instead of holding it, but smash 4 for example doesn't have this, so I always hold forward when I want to run, and interrupt it with a shield, jump or whatever.
Played since launch and never knew this. Thank you!
It's weird that this mechanic is the reverse of the attacking out of a dash mechanic. To attack you have to let go of the control stick.
I hate this wish it cancelled with attacks haha
Damn man thanks I had no idea this even existed. Imma use it tonight 😤
That thumbnail is fire🔥
noticed this like day 2 and it's still throwing me off to this day
I shield dash a lot without noticing I did. Never knew its benefits in game. Thanks VoiD!
Yeah, it takes a bit to get used to, but it's absolutely worth it!
Surprised at how many people in the comments didn’t know the difference between these two dash shielding techniques. I guess you have to play a lot to assimilate and incorporate the right one into your gameplay. Took me a while to do it myself consistently and it drastically improves my gameplay as a whole. Very informative video
Also, it feels so much easier to parry attacks/projectiles with that technique. It almost seems like a cheat sometimes
I knew about this but it's definitely useful for those who didn't, and a good reminder to those who already did. VoiD with the knowledge bombs (as always)
Literally asked people how to do this 2 years ago cuz I knew something was wrong and there was a better way. Thanks.
lol I feel so proud of myself for putting this into practice not knowing that it’s a thing. Mainly did it cause it looks cool
Your informative videos are always very high quality and to the point. Thanks for the knowledge!
Fun fact: Corrin can dash shield faster than the other characters, along with Kazuya
wait why is that specific to those characters?
@@Seba20901 It’s not. A few characters can run and shield just as fast, Michael here has just pointed out two characters that *can* do it fast.
@@Seba20901 Because in Ultimate you cannot shield during your initial dash, only when it ends/once you transition into run. Most characters have an initial dash of 10 frames. Sheik and Corrin have an initial dash of 7 frames so they can do it earlier. Robin has the longest duration at 16 frames.
@@Kaffei4Lunch that's a really good explanation, thanks
I remember a friend pointing out I was doing this wrong in smash 4 like 2 years into the game, I was so mad cuz the ground game immediately became much better lol
Me who plays Greninja with good ground game but bad oos: interesting
Holy shit this is an omega lifesaver for Greninja, thank you
Woah this is so neat I need to try this out later
void comin thru with the pro strats
"Stop reading chat and pay attention to void yt"
FUCK YOU GOT ME
So am I understanding correctly that you just kind of dash, wait a bit, then shield?
Man this was ingrained so hard into my autopilot I didn't think others didn't know it
THANK YOU VOID !
You're welcome!
Void...why...you literally just made me arguably one of the best players in my region ...thank you this video time to grind
Void I and so many others in the comments both thank you, and also love this kind of stuff.
Seriously appreciate this info, had no clue before. Surprised all you pros been hiding it this long!!!! 😝
I never even considered that shielding while running was a possibility - thank you Mr. VoiD
Thumbnail be like "Shield the rainbow! Taste the rainbow!"
I thought everyone knew this haha. It helps a lot
I already knew all that but that’s great for beginners
Void out here leveling us up! 🙏
My dash shields always felt like they where coming out too slow and now I know why. Thanks! 👍
I had no idea void is the best :)
When the chat tells you to not read and it catches your attention
This is gonna make me resub on twitch
On god.
The thumbnail has changed since I was last here. I never realized that shields have different colors until I saw that
It’s only based on what team your on, so you’ll always be red playing online and stuff but offline if you’re player 2 you are blue etc etc
@Josh Ford A VoiD fan I see
@@spoof9745 YOOOOOOO!
Nice to see you here Whooper!
@@joshford256 Likewise dude. Even after quitting competitive I'm a student of smash. Gotta learn anything I can to make smash content.
good looks! Didn't know bout this
This was such a cool thing to know... now I can one up my smash rival in the friend group
i was wondering. thanks bro
I learnt this from a snake down throw setup tutorial video a long time ago lmao
SO I WASN'T JUST ME BEING STUPID WHEN I FIGURED THIS OUT
I was so shocked when i first discovered this
I was always so confused on why everyone kept shielding so quickly after dashing, then i just thought "Maybe they don't stop dashing while pressing the shield button" and the i got hit in the face for how stupid i was for not knowing this
Seriously i could have avoided a lot of hits, projectiles and so much more if i just knew about this
Thanks for making a guide because
Y’know, that really is what I didn’t know about shielding.
Yeah. When I figured this out it was crazy. Like I opened my 3rd eye
Ray_cs really keepin us concentrated
Tysm.. This might be what does it for me. I've been stagnating around 8m gsp on smash online with DK. This might just get me into elite
Proud to say I made it to elite for the first time with DK and im sitting at 9.5m gsp :D
thank you i was good at this in 4 and ultimate made it feel impossible to do
Thanks for the advice this will help me a lot
What you know about shielding down in the deep
When your brain goes numb you can call that IC freeze 🥶
void u excited for offline tournaments coming back
I literally explained this to one of my friends last week haha
Thanks :)
Figured this out awhile ago, but this is important info nonetheless.
Oh, I actually didn't know that
this has been a thing for the last decade in smash i thought everyone knew about it
Ngl the only thing I didn't know here was from the thumbnail that every player gets a different shield color lol
RareCandy! Thanks!
i think ive been accidentally dash shielding this entire time without knowing it
I already knew this when the game came out be it's cool that your teaching this to new players.
The thumbnail reminded me that there’s more than 4 colors for a shield 🤭
This happens because of Ults jank. So when you hold forward after initial dash like Void shows, you enter Run. Run can be canceled by shield frame 1.
Unlike 64, Melee, Brawl, and PM, Initial dash can not be canceled frame 1.
So when you dash dance you cancel an initial dash which can't be canceled by shield with another initial dash.
But why can't you shield when you don't hold forward but don't do another initial dash?
Because the people who programmed Ult are dumb.
In Melee you can "act out of run" "instantly" by crouching. That and jump canceling is how you see Melee players do attacks so fast.
Ult tried to mimmick this but make it easier by letting you act instantly out of run with no crouch.
The problem is that for whatever reason they didn't make this automatic run cancel interuptible by shield the way run normally is.
Smash 4 didn't have this and that's why you could let go and instantly shield without having to hold the stick forward to enter Run first.
This will probably help me against min-min.
thank you for teaching us more
Ult has shit ground movement lol