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@@ericjones7769 Not realistically. Boeing very actively tried to sell the 717 and just no takers other than Airtran, Hawaiian and Qantas in any volume. The final nail was AC turning it down for regional jet instead. It wouldn't have been competitive with the 220 which was at least 2 generations ahead.
Stepping in of an Airbus definitely saved the program, and improved production processes. Only thing what I miss is the old good model name. For me Bombardier CS300 sounds much powerful than Airbus A220-300.
Based on current supply chain issues, it may be years before Airbus and Bombardier make a profit on the A220. They definitely will though, because the aircraft is amazing.
Boeing really took the L during pandemic when the a220 was the preferable plane for its economics, in the process of all this their partnership with embraer turned sour
@@heidirabenau511 huge L for them, management at the time was a big swing and a miss hoping they could do whatever they want and when in a jam, anticipate the government to come to the rescue
A very comfortable aircraft to fly in. I'm glad Bombardier got it right, because their CRJs.....huge difference in comfort LoL But anyway, Airbus really scored here with taking over the CS series.
I was lucky enough to land on Runway 27 (From the direction of the City Centre) Flying from Geneva just at sunset but with Canary Wharf lit up like a Christmas tree - and as an extra Bonus an A220 from Luxor to Cairo! 😎
Has Airbus identified exactly how the aircraft is made prior to acquisition? Does the A220 share any commonality with Airbus original aircrafts other than the parental nomenclature? From what I understand it is a true quality aircraft!
Of course they have. It's called due diligence. It would be quite irresponsible for them to take over a program and not know how their inherited product was manufactured. And no, the aircraft has nothing in common with any existing Airbus aircraft. (Edit: except for the fact that engines are of the same family.)
@@dmcr9525 🙂right. And so it's only a matter of time before that happens right? For example, let's take the Boeing 777 and the 717. The 717 is aka the DC-9. The 717 has the 777 cockpit. So essentially, the DC-9, a McDonald Douglas built aircraft, has a product built by Boeing.
@@ronaldcuieii8639 The will likely leave production as is it, and just try to ramp up production and bring the cost down. Introducing changes would drive costs up, and it would have to go through recertification with all the regulators to receive an amended type certificate. On another note, many people may not know this, but the 717 actually shares its cockpit with the MD-10, and MD-11. ☺️
It's time they ironed out the Pratt engine issues once and for all.. Your painting a rosy picture for the program, yet omitting the lawsuits upcoming from 2 African Carriers for the Lengthy grounding of their fleet ,due to lack of parts or replacement engines !! Dispatch reliability abysmal !!! Engines coming off with less than 1000 landings as opposed to 5200 promised by Pratt.!!
You realize the lawsuit goes against P&W and not Airbus (or Embrear)? Engine makers are seperate companies from planemakers so it's neither Airbus, nor Boeing, Comac, Gulfstream, etc. that are constructing or directly servicing the engines. Also such engine issues wouldn't change much of how the plane itself is constructed anyway. Something like the more impactful Max groundings would put responsibility on the planemaker.
Disadvantages of a single source engine supplier... Definitely ,much more economical for the airframer, for cerification,and quicker entry into service with one engine type.... Ofcourse , common practice nowadays, with some exceptions. At least when the 787 was having engine issues with the Rolls powerplant, the GE version wasn't affected ,... Same as the 320 neo...with CFM having little issues , compared to PW 1000 version still being grounded with some fleets.!!!
Since we have a220 we need the a230,240,250,260,270 and 280 to complete thr the a220 series of planes just like the a3 series good t9 see modern and safe aircraft airbus are safer than using outdated Boeing dangerous aircraft of the world
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I still do not understand why Airbus agreed to be a partner. What was in it for them? What did they see in the programme that made think it worthwhile to be a partner. I understand that the CSeries did serve a niche that Airbus struggled to gain a footing in, but wouldn’t there be more issues in the background that are not visible to us, the general public?
Why couldnt boeing not Build the better Aircraft for one time? Instead they´re like "Aww were so American were the best". Not like sueing and cheating like KC-767 were the Us Airforce bought the worse Plane for a bad price just because its "so american". Instead offering a competitive product. If Bombardier would´ve continued selling below production cost they would ruin themselfs anyway. What has Boeing become? Its such a shame.
Thank goodness the CSeries was taken by Airbus to create the A220. If Boeing had done that, it would have turned this terrific airplane into a disaster, proving once again, that Boeing is the worst aircraft manufacturer to ever exist!
Realistically, if Boeing got a hold of the CSeries, they would've cancelled the program as soon as possible, keeping their mainline products more profitable. Such a step wouldn't be the first time or even unique to Boeing as the American industry already successfully pressured the Canadians to stop their own efforts (such as the Avro Arrow) and rely on American-made products instead.
Technically, if BOEING never acted the way they did, the C series program would have been canceled or scrapped long ago. Boeing saved the C-series program At least show a little gratitude.
@@mmm0404 If Boeing didnt interfere with the Delta order, the CSeries would more likely be less powerful on the market and meet a similar fate to the CRJs if ever, not scrapped
@@SwordQuake2 Well Airbus bought 50.01% which means they own the company and as reported later made that up to 75%. I ask again where did they get the money.
The original question was rhetorical but I have enjoyed teasing you. I can only assume you are a Canadian who is so upset that the French have stolen your airplanes. So, I shall leave this conversation now, the outcome has been so funny and I do not have time to continue the game. Good luck Mr SwordQuake2.
Airbus didn’t pay to get the 50% stake. They will just took over production and streamline the process to ensure the program doesn’t meet its demise. Bombadier just couldn’t afford to keep the model going . It was later on that they sold their remaining stake for cash
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$52 billion in cost overruns?
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thanks to Boeing, Airbus have a new plane with little competition
And a plant with highly trained workers in the US.
@@AliAhmed-yz8qo The assembly plant predated the 220 for Airbus
@@AliAhmed-yz8qo More jobs
Exactly 💯 plus it was really silly of Boeing to end production of the 717s which could had been Boeings competitor to the A220s
@@ericjones7769 Not realistically. Boeing very actively tried to sell the 717 and just no takers other than Airtran, Hawaiian and Qantas in any volume. The final nail was AC turning it down for regional jet instead. It wouldn't have been competitive with the 220 which was at least 2 generations ahead.
Stepping in of an Airbus definitely saved the program, and improved production processes. Only thing what I miss is the old good model name. For me Bombardier CS300 sounds much powerful than Airbus A220-300.
Boeing really shot themselves in the foot with this. They gave Airbus a free plane.
0:38 to skip the ad. Boeing's stupidity is Airbus' gain. Glad to see a Canadian built jet succeed!
Based on current supply chain issues, it may be years before Airbus and Bombardier make a profit on the A220.
They definitely will though, because the aircraft is amazing.
Nice aircraft and easy to see why Air Baltic have an entire fleet of them.
It is a great aircraft. I certainly enjoy being a passenger on an A220!
Me too.
Boeing really took the L during pandemic when the a220 was the preferable plane for its economics, in the process of all this their partnership with embraer turned sour
And don't forget the MAX groundings!
@@heidirabenau511 huge L for them, management at the time was a big swing and a miss hoping they could do whatever they want and when in a jam, anticipate the government to come to the rescue
Its a shame that Bombardier could not have kept it, but it does seem a beautiful fit into the the Airbus lineup. Such a nice plane.
Boeing punching air right now lol.
A very comfortable aircraft to fly in. I'm glad Bombardier got it right, because their CRJs.....huge difference in comfort LoL
But anyway, Airbus really scored here with taking over the CS series.
my favourite plane ...
Hard to believe this state of the art modern platform is already 10 years old.
A legendary success story.
I was lucky enough to land on Runway 27 (From the direction of the City Centre) Flying from Geneva just at sunset but with Canary Wharf lit up like a Christmas tree - and as an extra Bonus an A220 from Luxor to Cairo! 😎
Beautiful aircraft!
The Quebec government has invested a total of $1.5billion and now hold a 25% ownership stake in the program.
It says in the video
@@heidirabenau511 It states that they have a 25% ownership stake, but doesn't state how much they've invested into the program.
Very informative video! Thanks!
Good looking plane regardless of the Airbus or Bombardier branding. I saw a Swiss Air one the last time I was in Dublin airport a few weeks ago.
Canadian 🇨🇦 lost the airspace advantage ⚰️ since Avro Arrow. Now lost the entire space with Bombardier. Any revival?
Back from the brink!
Has Airbus identified exactly how the aircraft is made prior to acquisition? Does the A220 share any commonality with Airbus original aircrafts other than the parental nomenclature? From what I understand it is a true quality aircraft!
Of course they have. It's called due diligence. It would be quite irresponsible for them to take over a program and not know how their inherited product was manufactured. And no, the aircraft has nothing in common with any existing Airbus aircraft. (Edit: except for the fact that engines are of the same family.)
@@dmcr9525 🙂right. And so it's only a matter of time before that happens right? For example, let's take the Boeing 777 and the 717. The 717 is aka the DC-9. The 717 has the 777 cockpit. So essentially, the DC-9, a McDonald Douglas built aircraft, has a product built by Boeing.
@@dmcr9525 well same engines as the 320NEO
@@leflate True, they are similar and in the same family. The only real difference is the fact that the 1500G has a smaller fan diameter.
@@ronaldcuieii8639 The will likely leave production as is it, and just try to ramp up production and bring the cost down. Introducing changes would drive costs up, and it would have to go through recertification with all the regulators to receive an amended type certificate. On another note, many people may not know this, but the 717 actually shares its cockpit with the MD-10, and MD-11. ☺️
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So, Airbus plans to produce 168 A220s per year.
It's time they ironed out the Pratt engine issues once and for all..
Your painting a rosy picture for the program, yet omitting the lawsuits upcoming from 2 African Carriers for the Lengthy grounding of their fleet ,due to lack of parts or replacement engines !! Dispatch reliability abysmal !!!
Engines coming off with less than 1000 landings as opposed to 5200 promised by Pratt.!!
You realize the lawsuit goes against P&W and not Airbus (or Embrear)?
Engine makers are seperate companies from planemakers so it's neither Airbus, nor Boeing, Comac, Gulfstream, etc. that are constructing or directly servicing the engines.
Also such engine issues wouldn't change much of how the plane itself is constructed anyway.
Something like the more impactful Max groundings would put responsibility on the planemaker.
Disadvantages of a single source engine supplier...
Definitely ,much more economical for the airframer, for cerification,and quicker entry into service with one engine type....
Ofcourse , common practice nowadays, with some exceptions.
At least when the 787 was having engine issues with the Rolls powerplant, the GE version wasn't affected ,...
Same as the 320 neo...with CFM having little issues , compared to PW 1000 version still being grounded with some fleets.!!!
Are numbers of landing any valuable metric for time on wings for engines really ?
Since we have a220 we need the a230,240,250,260,270 and 280 to complete thr the a220 series of planes just like the a3 series good t9 see modern and safe aircraft airbus are safer than using outdated Boeing dangerous aircraft of the world
Don't play World of Tanks, the algorithms go against you every time, no matter how good you get and the professional gamers feast on noobs.
The gamers then gang up on you telling you to uninstall the game.
Airbus, please let western Canada know if you figure out how to get the East to increase production without handouts. 😅
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I still do not understand why Airbus agreed to be a partner. What was in it for them? What did they see in the programme that made think it worthwhile to be a partner. I understand that the CSeries did serve a niche that Airbus struggled to gain a footing in, but wouldn’t there be more issues in the background that are not visible to us, the general public?
Why couldnt boeing not Build the better Aircraft for one time? Instead they´re like "Aww were so American were the best". Not like sueing and cheating like KC-767 were the Us Airforce bought the worse Plane for a bad price just because its "so american". Instead offering a competitive product. If Bombardier would´ve continued selling below production cost they would ruin themselfs anyway. What has Boeing become? Its such a shame.
You sum that up perfectly, totally blind 'American is best' etc etc
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Thank goodness the CSeries was taken by Airbus to create the A220. If Boeing had done that, it would have turned this terrific airplane into a disaster, proving once again, that Boeing is the worst aircraft manufacturer to ever exist!
What's worse is US Govt created obstacles for Canadian company which US calls it's ally. The biggest salesman of Boeing stays in White House.
Realistically, if Boeing got a hold of the CSeries, they would've cancelled the program as soon as possible, keeping their mainline products more profitable.
Such a step wouldn't be the first time or even unique to Boeing as the American industry already successfully pressured the Canadians to stop their own efforts (such as the Avro Arrow) and rely on American-made products instead.
@@serkandevel7828 Shows how spineless Canadian Govt is.
Technically, if BOEING never acted the way they did, the C series program would have been canceled or scrapped long ago.
Boeing saved the C-series program
At least show a little gratitude.
@@mmm0404 If Boeing didnt interfere with the Delta order, the CSeries would more likely be less powerful on the market and meet a similar fate to the CRJs if ever, not scrapped
Where did Airbus get the money to buy Bombardier? Did the EU authorise it?
they didn't buy Bombardier... pay attention
@@SwordQuake2 Well Airbus bought 50.01% which means they own the company and as reported later made that up to 75%. I ask again where did they get the money.
@@algernonblack they bought THE PROGRAM not the whole company... And where they get their money from is none of your business.
The original question was rhetorical but I have enjoyed teasing you. I can only assume you are a Canadian who is so upset that the French have stolen your airplanes. So, I shall leave this conversation now, the outcome has been so funny and I do not have time to continue the game. Good luck Mr SwordQuake2.
Airbus didn’t pay to get the 50% stake. They will just took over production and streamline the process to ensure the program doesn’t meet its demise. Bombadier just couldn’t afford to keep the model going . It was later on that they sold their remaining stake for cash
Lots of Canadian tax dollars and typical Bombardier mismanagement.
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