Nothing wrong until racing against other people who don't and would never use third person (grand theft auto) view for GT7. What's wrong with racing without third person view? Can't you just equal the viewing and playing field by adopting a view that a great majority of your competitors are using? Cheers!
@notdonwon2 Video games are all about manipulating code and pixels. If you want to make yourself slower by driving in a less than optimal view then go ahead. But don't try and force others to use it or act like you only lost because you decided to handicap yourself.
He literally explained that you can do more in third-person, like exploiting track-limits to... well, the limit. - I feel that discredits the entire organization of the tournament, or the game itself even. - Why bother pretending it's a "simulator" when you can float behind a car like some kind of ghost?... Doesn't make any sense at all. It's the same crap as when in PUBg you can look over walls in third-person. - Sure, "if it's officially in the game, it's not cheating", but I just disagree, because in practice it literally is. The game is just broken in my view. - That said, I don't think it's AS bad in racing, but if they allow that in tournaments, that's just not right.
@@michaelmonstar4276 you're more than welcome to go play a sim. I never even claimed this game was a sim. Unless tournament rules state that using an in-game mechanic is cheating, then it isn't cheating. For example, a lot of people think shotguns are unfair in FPS games, but using one is not cheating unless tournament rules specify that it is. Many fighting games have broken characters: you know what people do? They ban those characters in competitive settings. Go ahead and petition for a ban of chase cam. Otherwise, stop whining.
Totally agree with you. Not sure if VR headsets change anything (as I havent tried that myself) but even so, I doubt it simulates sufficiently the real life experience
VR is great for immersion and with time you can have good awareness with it, but it still doesn't give you much as peripheral vision/awareness like IRL. Blind spots are exacerbated in PSVR2 due to the fact that your mirrors do not change what you see in them depending on the angle your looking into it, meaning you only see what directly behind the mirror at all times limiting its actual real world effect. It's still managble but not true to IRL.
For years I have adopted 3rd person camera only for arcade racing like NFS and FH but for more inmersion and competitive gaming I stick to cockpit/first person camera, specially when playing with steering wheel. Somehow my skills are different lol
The fastest drivers in the world use bumper/front of bonnet. I will never do that. I will always drive in cockpit mode, regardless of whether I'm losing half a second a lap or not.
Exactly. You don't see Lewis Hamilton jumping out an stapping himself to the outside the car (that would be funny) during the pit stop because he's driving slower this time.
Good video but I think you should have covered bumper cam. The view is pretty similar to bonnet and you quickly learn the dimensions of the car and can accurately put the wheels where you want them without having to see the bonnet. And you get the big advantage of the rear view mirror which I find essential, especially for close racing.
I'm bumper most of the time, but If the car is too low you sometimes can't see anything when behind another car. Switching to bonnet cam is then the same height as 'normal' bumper cam.
If GT7 would make dialy race with "in cockpit" it would be a hole different story for some drivers. But the thing is in many cars the mirrors inside sucks.
As someone who's been driving daily for 20+ years and just started sin racing what you've said makes sense. The cockpit views are just not right senses wise. The hood (or bonnet) cam is most realistic to me and my fastest laps. The 3rd person view I wreck every turn. It feels so weird.
Unless you have a triple screen or an ultra wide screen, cockpit cams of all games are wrong. You can't see what you could see in RL. Everything is to restricted. So, using another cam has a logic. I do use cockpit cam 99% of the time but i can understand your point.
When it comes to the cockpit view in racing games on console, the best one or that I have found to prefer and like more is the one in ACC where it doesn't show the steering wheel, just the dashboard with the rev lights. Much better than the one cockpit view showing the steering wheel.
It's also a matter of setting the camera position and FOV properly, because few people realize that often the camera is in an equivalent position of putting your face pretty much up against the rim of the steering-wheel, which would be idiotic to do in real life. Your head should be near the headrest of course, which some games at least allow you to do, and then you can already see more in width, as well as over the hood and plenty of the environment in front, plus if you tweak the FOV (but not too wide or everything in the distance will just become too distant, besides things will distort) you'll be able to have a good overview of everything critical. - But I bet most people don't bother and have that default "face-to-the-wheel" view and just feel it sucks, because it does. I didn't realize this for the longest time, but once I found games that let me change it, it clicked that it has often just been wrong in games and I could finally get the view that's more equivalent to real-life. - And yea, it really helps to at LEAST have 21:9, as it allows for about 30% more information and it feels a LOT more natural.
I have a very good sim setup and I use 3rd person view, and I nail just about every corner. Remember we are talking about a racing game here and not real life. In reai life I get behind the wheel and drive, a racing game in 3rd person view for me because it's a racing game and not real. When it comes to playing racing games players can choose what ever driving view they want, because it is only a game and there should be no argument about what driving view you should or should not use.
If it's not cockpit view it's not really a simulation. I don't remember drivers being strapped to the roof of a car and getting around bathurst. Anyone that doesn't use cockpit view can only be playing an arcade game.
Exactly. It's really like a driving experience...or straight up video game sillyness watching the car like you are a bird flying behind it. Third "person?" lol.....more like first pigeon view....or first hawk view if manage faster cars.
But that is simply what makes them the fastest in the world, and that pace usually somehow transfers over to real life in most cases. Though this is true, I will always be a cockpit driver.
I don't remember drivers having 2D static objects taking up their field of view like cockpit does. Cockpit in 2D is not realistic at all because it artificially limits your view, thats just fact. Bonnet may not seem the most "real", but when compared to cockpit in 2D it is much more representative of how our 3D vision eliminates stuff around us. I play VR only, and the view in 3D is NOTHING like 2D cockpit. It's not even the same world. Bonnet in 2D is the closest we'll get to what our eyes see IRL.
@@focussport how exactly is a completely unobstructed view remotely close to what you see IRL??? In real life you look over a dashboard, through the windshield, over the hood of the car. There’s absolutely NOTHING artificial about the mass of the car in front of you blocking what you see outside. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. Please show me the car that you drive with zero obstructions to your sight line? I’ll wait…forever, because there is no such car. Nice try though.
If u wana be the GOAT drive in 3rd person , if u wana play for fun drive in 3rd person .... So we only use cockpit or bumper if we want to be mediocre?
@christophersauer1939 That's the only way I play. I feel like it's the most realistic not only visually but feeling wise. I feel perfectly centered like driving in real life. May be a bit restrictive especially with the hypercars but just watch your radar and listen for the other engines beside and around you. Also use the damn brakes. A lo5 of drivers don't understand sometimes its better to pull back and let someone overtake you than to cause a crash.
I think a lot of people would like to play on cockpit view. There are a lot of competitive people on GT7 who would like the emergence and level playing field that would offer.
NONE of the views are totally realistic. As when we drive a car at the limit of grip in real life we depend on feel. It's about feeling that back end start to lose grip. No sim can replicate this. Some professional racing drivers are hopeless at sim racing. Ben Collins says the two are so different. So any visual advantage probably makes up for the lack of physical inertia felt when driving at speed in real life.
One issue with cockpit view for me is that, in a real car, I am able to defocus the framing around the windshield as I look out into the outside world. In a 2D sim tho, I cannot do that, but my mind keeps trying to, which as a result typically leads to some rather severe tension headaches after awhile behind the wheel.
Who is "they" and why do they have anything to do with how you or anyone plays a game they payed for? The real argument that causes the controversy is this: Do people driving in cams like chase cam give that person an advantage over someone who drives in the cockpit cam. The answer to that is yes, and it's for all the reasons you mention here. Everyone do what you want. It's your game and you payed for it. I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are two types of sim drivers. Those who want as much immersion as possible and those that want to win at all costs. Neither is wrong imo. I just wish they would split them up when racing in competition settings.
First person whether it be a shooter, RPG or racing game is not remotely like real life anyway. VR might be different but I've never used it so I have absolutely no concept it but your pov is limited and you can't move your neck and body in which when driving in real life is key. Maybe them massive rigs some people have that's pretty much a car have a decent field of view but if you've got one of them then you're at an advantage anyway. Anyone who plays the Elder Scrolls Oblivion and says "this is just like real life" needs a lobotomy and that is exactly the same for anyone who thinks driving in a cockpit in a game is like driving in real life.
In VR2 you can move you're head around and see everything. You can sit in a car and turn around and look at the back seats if the car has them. You drive like you normally do and turn your head to see the side view mirrors...it's a gigantic leap in "gaming" / racing. To me the VR2 is actually mind bending how good / "real" it actually feels and looks, especially with a basic wheel set up....no crazy movement rig...just a wheel set up and VR2.....scary good bro. scary good.
Bonnet cam is not remotely an accurate representation of the view seen when driving a car. Looking over the dashboard is ESSENTIAL to a realistic experience. How can you call a 100% unobstructed view realistic?? That’s nonsense. What it IS is a bogus competitive advantage with zero obstruction and a totally non-realistic higher sightline. Cockpit cam is the ONLY way to simulate actually driving a car. Nice try though.
I'm glad somebody else said this. I already commented disagreeing with him about something else and I totally didn't want to be the guy that leaves two disagreeing comments on one video lol. Anyways, this is probably the most truthful comment that will be posted on this video and when I got to that part of his commentary I was scratching my head, wondering if I've been doing life all wrong for the last 40 something years. You Sir, are my hero today! Thank you!
idk about yall, but every car ive ever driven has only had 1 steering wheel. why would i play with a wheel on the screen if i already have 1 in front of me??
who said anything about two steering wheels. I agree that's dumb. Turn the steering wheel off. I certainly don't have any of the dashboards I drive in sim in my room with me so there's only one of those also.@@chandlurr_vr
@@chandlurr_vr did it have a dashboard and gauges?? I’m guessing yes. Do you look over the dashboard while sim racing?? Hope so. Not sim if you’re not looking over the dashboard. Most sims have the option to eliminate the wheel and hands from the cockpit view. Only GT7 doesn’t have that option.
It is possible to get a better view from inside the cockpit if using the 'offset' .. Would be nice if 'no hands and wheel' was an option in cockpit view.
It’s just a preference IMO For me chase cam (3rd person) I can see all around me, how the car reacts and so on, but most roll with bumper or roof cam. It’s not actually on the bonnet which a lot of people think.
As a bit of an admitted comment-section critic on your videos, this is honestly one of your best works. Correct FOV would be a good addition to this subject and how to use an online FOV calculator to maximize a realistic sense of speed, making the most of a 2D first-person POV.
I always use bonnet cam. Because then its good to know how far away you are from the car in front of you and how wide your car is to. And use Rader and the little red dots that come up when someone is close to you.
My thoughts are if you go around saying your a sim racer and not using the inside cockpit ( I use the VR ) then its not sim racing. "Simulation, true to life" "Realistic". Thats sim racing. Using the real proper camera from the cockpit. If you were to translate this to racing in real life, you would be left behind
In GT bonnet cam is the most realistic for me because when I am sat playing my peripheral vision sees the room I'm sat in and my TV screen becomes the windscreen; I drive faster in bumper cam and the dials are better.
Except the screen isn't separated from where that camera is, so you're essentially saying that the windscreen is on top of the bonnet as well and your head is on the dashboard. - Thing with virtual images is, it already creates space between the virtual camera and whatever objects there are in front of it, which is an image that gets projected onto your eyes. Which in turn means that it simulates where your head is, and the space between the monitor and your real-life head does not count. - The virtual camera should be where your head would be in the virtual world, period, as it's first-person (not "in front of the person"). And then you're looking through this "virtual window" (which is your character's eyes) and how large that window is depends on the monitor's aspect-ratio as well as the FOV-setting. - So the correct camera-position (which is in front of the head-rest) plus a proper FOV-setting (so it's at least not too "zoomed in" like most games) is how it's "correct". - The only problem with this is, if you're far away from the screen, it makes it worse, and if your monitor is small, it makes it worse yet. I mean, if you can't get the virtual steering-wheel to be nigh life-size on the screen (as it would be nearest to the virtual camera or character's view), that's basically too small. But there ya go, my two cents.
Use any camera that you want and don't criticize people like me, Valerio Gallo and others for using external view cam only because you want "immersion and reality"
bumper cam will always be faster. Sure, you have to adjust, but you will always find more speed in that cam and front of bonnet because you know exactly where the dimensions of the car/tyres end.
I drive 3rd person as that’s how I played “pole position” on Atari, I tried bumper but I find I spin easier as I can’t see the rear rotating. If I changed I’d go bumper so I can have a rear view camera, I sometimes do time trial and daily A in bumper cam; but in serious stuff like gtws I’m 3rd person as per your benefits. I feel bumper and bonnet u see brake markers better
You have a car with a completely unobstructed view in front of you? No dash? No A pillars?? No windshield??? Lol. Funny. The view that’s most like being in a car, is the view from IN THE CAR. 😂
Thank you! been saying this for years that the cockpit view in sim games is not like real life at all. When I'm driving IRL I don't even notice the dashboard as such I always use the bonnet/hood cam which is much more accurate..
Defo not Cheating if its in the Game, But Cockpit View is Most Realistic By far. REAL LIFE RACING CARS You Sit as low as you possibly can - cause the CENTER OF BALLANCE is so Important so that makes your View 'Not to Great' sit in your Standard Home Car then you can see everything for sure But this is RACING so get in the Main Motion of how it should be 😁 Forced Cockpit or Helmet cam for sure & nothing outside , any of the other Views is just like Driving your Standard Home Car,,
I agree with you Kireth, the hood cam gives me the closest to how I perceive driving a real car. Have you tried Forza's "driver cam", I find that's better than the cockpit cam, which always looks like the same as when you're in the back seat of a taxi!
I want to like hood/bonnet-cam but, short of maybe bumper cam, it's the camera that gives me a motion sensitivity headache the fastest. There are a handful of games like Need for Speed Shift (yeah, I know it's approaching 15 years old but I haven't played any serious racing games since 7th gen) where I do like playing in cockpit view for a while but I generally have always preferred third-person camera even if it's generally looked down upon by purists.
When I am driving a real car I have the ability to look around… When you are stuck in a car looking forward then that is unfair in a racing scenario. I don’t know why people are even arguing this.
If you call yourself a SIMRACER, you should use the cockpit perspective, if you are just a normal gamer, without pretensions and without a sim-rig and steering wheel, you can also drive from a bird's eye view. But I don't know any racing driver who sits on the roof of his car and thereby gains an advantage. SIMRACERS belong in the COCKPIT, everything else is just ARCADE for me!
Ooh.. simracer gatekeeping... cool. Bonnet allows for you to see the peripheral information you would get looking out of a real car. Cockpit literally puts a 2D template of nonsense (the interior) that frames your view and artificially restricts it. If more people used logic and reason in here instead of "hur durr sim racer iRacing durr" then we would all be better off.
How about no one tells me how to play video games in my own home, and I don't tell others how to play video games in their own homes? People who complain about not driving in first person just come off as salty, try hards who are just upset they are slow and blame it on camera settings. Just accept the fact that Toto Wolff isn't calling you up to replace Lewis Hamilton no matter how many virtual races you might win, and you might enjoy sim racing a bit more without acting like some incel. I always play in first person for immersion but I couldn't care less what view other people are using. This isn't a full blown sim, so who cares?
Since GT Sport I have only driven in roof cam, except for cars like the Mini, and for the reasons that you said. Whereas as before, GT4 for example, I was always a chase cam racer, but now I am thoroughly converted 😅. Like deployed 👍
I use 1st person, which you didn't mention, gives the most view of the road to come, i feel most comfortable in 1st person and know exactly where my wheels will touch on the side, just my opinion.
You can choose whatever views that works best for you, I did use roof cam for years in GT Sport. Now I use Chase cam view in GT7 all the time and I loving it, ok it is not real and it is only a game sitting in my driving simulater.
You are 100% right here K. The people arguing for cockpit being the most realistic are COMPLETELY ignoring how our eyes parse visual information. "IRacing does it" is not an argument for anything. If people are arguing for "realism" then VR would be the only way. Like you've said, having a 2D interior template blocking a third of the screen that you cannot see past is in no way realistic at all. Bonnet is 100% the closest GT7 gives us to a realistic driving vantage. 3rd person is definitely the least real of any of them, and is the only one I would point at as being a "cheat", but it is a fun way for people to play and see the car in action, so who cares if that's someones preference. Great vid!
Also, the difference in left and right-hand drive can’t be simulated when your camera is stuck in the center of the car. Bottom line: Cockpit cam is more difficult. If it’s TOO difficult for you to deal with, then you’re not a sim-racer. You’re not simulating anything. Sorry, but facts.
Like he said, unless you get a huge screen or VR, the cockpit camera doesn't give you a vision as wide as you will get irl so it's also far to be close to reality ...
@@SuPerArCtiKlike I said, cockpit cam is the most realistic view available in any sim. Is it totally realistic? No. Is there a view more realistic?? Again...no.
Roof cam is the only one I can drive in in GT7. Interior cam has the delayed steering animation that throws me off, I can't position my car properly in bumper cam and in a racing game chase cam is just all sorts of awful for my driving
I dont consider it a "Sim" in that view. I was under the impression those views were there for the kids. The true experience is driving from within the car, and for an experienced driver that's the only way it should be
Not in 2D it ain't. Cockpit view is artificially restrictive and ridiculous in 2D. Bonnet 100% in 2D. But I only play in VR, so my cockpit view is perfect.
@@focussport don't get me started on unrealistic lol. There's more than just the view. I managed to make it from day one on the original Gran Turismo without vr, and I see no reason to spend $500 on it now. It's nice, but the only reason you really ever need to look left to right is to make sure you've cleared another car. Does it matter near as much in a virtual world, as it does in the real world when you've got to fix the car, or deal with the guy you scrubbed later
@@heinous70 I've owned every GT since 1 except prologue and 6, and many other 2D racing titles, and what you say doesn't make any sense. You don't "need" VR, it just makes GT7 a completely different and better experience. You have depth, and peripheral vision, and working mirrors. It's a car without the physical movement. And it does matter where you are in a virtual world because in online racing you effect other racers. Something tells me you've never tried GT7 VR, because if you did, you wouldn't be so dismissive of it.
@focussport I'm dismissive, because it wasn't the subject here. I'm happy for you that you have VR, but my pride sits in the garage. Not in a video game peripheral. That's the best view. Especially for someone with old eyes
gt7 needs an ultra wide viewing angle, even if that means black bars top and bottom so that I can enjoy cockpit view. I hate being restricted to half of what any real driver can normally see.
most ppl are arguing coz we are played a little differently... i played in VR every race... so i dont see my thrustmaster wheel.. 😂 so the wheel in the cockpit is the only place where it show me the info in a GR3 car... and it isnt fair when ppl use other views to see a wider angle and punched me out at the same time... thats just my opinion tho... u guys on the tv screen still argues when u got the radar and a further wider view... and pushed ppl off track when they got u from the inside... 😅
You should use which ever cameraview you want. Tge game allows it so its not cheating. Its a game not real life. In real life i can turn my head and see out of all the windows not just half of the front wind shield and driver's side window.
The idea camera for VR is cockpit view. Because the windshield is life size and you are focused solely on looking through it. It doesnt feel limiting. On a monitor the best view for realism is the bonnet or hood cam, as in this mode your screen "becomes" your windshield peering out over the hood of the car . Only real disadvantage here is that most games I've seen dont offer you rear view or side view cameras. Chase cam is a fun view, that also has its merits, but not for realism first players. It's not all that complicated really. Whats funny about the whole argument is that in the end we are all just dude playing games.
I'm using 3rd person. I like to see my entire car. The way it feels and the way i have to drive is still sim. But my reaction time seems quicker in the cock pit or the bumper.
Normally I prefer third person or cockpit cam, but in GT7 the ONLY way I can drive even decently well is hood/bumper cam. I absolutely cannot use the 3rd person cam in GT7
Third person view is like you're controlling an RC (radio controlled) car and not actually driving anymore. If you don't use a wheel and you use third person view, then I'd say it's closer to the Matchbox cars video game; that only has third person view. Races should have equal view. I only want to race against other people in VR2. The VR2 view is even more limited in that the road, corners, other cars, etc. will all be more out of view than on the bumper cam, roof view, and third person views from flat screen. I'm only in it for the full immersion. To each their own. If third person makes you happy, great. But I do believe it's unfair to allow people to drive with different views. Same view (whatever it is) should be how the races are set up.
Bumper or cockpit cam are by far the best overlays in this game if your on a wheel. There is technically no difference in fov between the cockpit/bumper and bonnet. So from an fov perspective which is by far the most important detail for immersion, bumper and cockpit are the best by far and still leave a lot to be desired as far as realism due to any real adjustments in the game. There are great videos out there on FOV if you actually want a proper understanding of how to get an immersive sim racing experience on a 2d screen. Psvr2 by far takes the cake with gt7 though, I've not played the game without it since I got mine.
I don't care if other people play in 3rd person but I would never feel like I do sim racing if I played in 3rd person, that's videogaming to me. In my opinion, simulation is about making it real and 3rd person doesn't feel real at all. I think VR is the best way to go if you want to get as close as possible to the real thing.
I was always chase cam up to GT4. It was always more fun, but then my friends and the AI were always worse than me. Things changed when it went to online and went bumper cam. Despite the better competition the joy wasn't there so much. That PP isn't used in daily races is just anti-GT in my opinion. Mixing up cars is what GT used to be all about. Its still a great game but it tries its hardest to be corduroy and beige.
Cockpit view looks cool but it’s impossible to race as you can’t see especially in a Lamborghini where you can’t see over the dash so you can’t see the track. Plus the door/window struct blocks your view plus you get distracted by the windscreen reflections and the nobs and dials. I’m in a wheelchair and often on roads and the view without any car is the easiest for me as that’s just what I see. However in The Crew Motorfest I prefer the bonnet cam but the cockpit view is easier than GT7. If GT7 made the Cockpit View much higher then I would actually use it.
So I'm normally a cockpit, only kind of guy. But the other day I was racing not in vr but the citreon car cockpit was atrocious. That was the first time I went to the bumper cam and actually had fun.
Cockpit view is technically more non realistic when it comes to general sim racing setups. General sim racing setups uses rigs that are already far away from the monitor and then you decide to add more depth by using the cockpit view? That's why you should never use the cockpit view if you want a closer to realistic distance to the car's windshield view. That would significantly improve how you perceive distance between your cars bumper and the corners. Using the cockpit view is like adding two cockpits in your car. The first one is your sim rig's cockpit and the second one is in the game. Cockpit view is a good option but technically not the most realistic way to drive when using a general sim rig setup. Its probably very rare for a sim racer to stick their sim wheel very close to the monitor and use the cockpit view. That just asking for a larger pixel view and its not ideal to stare at the monitor very close.
People complain about views but when I go in my cockpit view and max out the FoV so i can see 180° around me, then they complain again, just drive as you wish and that's fine, haters gonna hate, you can't and never will please them all, for instance I like the chase cam
Dude, I can't drive in anything but bumper cam. I've tried and an easy slower in every other view. Also bumper cam has the added advantage of the best rear view mirror in GT7. I disagree that other views give the advantage of knowing where the car is versus track limits. That is solved with practice.
I wished they let us customize which cam show when you swap I’d like to have just two views third and cockpit. I hate having to cycle between all of them
The only realistic one in gt7 is the cockpit camera, a camera between the wheel and dash would be best but it isnt available. Interestingly though, WRC driver Oliver Solberg stated that he prefers chase camera for playing racing games, even with a wheel because its the only view you can actually notice the real movement of the car, nothing like actually "feeling" car movement, but being able to see it can help.
as for 3rd person, it almost seems comical winning a competition in a game that isn't full sim, but tries to be at certain levels. 3rd person should be reserved for arcade racers and replays.
In acc you can adjust ur sight inside your car. In gt its limited and not enaugh. But anyways not to brag but i drive just as good in firstperson, roof and hood view. Its not an issue for me. Just gotta look around more inside the car to look for people beside you. And teach ur cars width…
If it claims to be a simulator then I require the ability to drive with full visibility and that’s about it. If I’m inside the car then I can’t see much so I need full visibility if I am going to accept this as a simulator. It’s that simple. Conversation over.
I only had to make 2 cameras, when you play with remote control the camera 3 person only with remote control, and if you play with the steering wheel the interior of the car, only that 2 .it would be logical
You are all Race drivers but when you play it’s on faking camera. Inside the car is sow diferent from real life. And 3rd person view is better then real live. And drive on the bonet is real life???
Driving in 3rd person is just wrong...especially with a wheel just seems demented to me...Unrealistic. 3rd person is for using a controller no one driving a real car on the road or track wants to be driving their car in 3rd person. In ACC you can move your seat in any way you want so you can bring it forward if u want. Also you can bring FOV in and with tripple monitors it will restore the wide field of view. Best of both worlds. Oh I forgot... Can't do any of that on console.. What a shame 😅
I don't think the cockpit view in GT7 is realistic, unless you have PS VR2. Cockpit view without a steering wheel like we have in AC and ACC is way better.
What's wrong with choosing the view that works best for you? Maybe they're all 'right', depending on the driver.
nothing wrong with this in my book!!
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Nothing wrong until racing against other people who don't and would never use third person (grand theft auto) view for GT7. What's wrong with racing without third person view? Can't you just equal the viewing and playing field by adopting a view that a great majority of your competitors are using? Cheers!
@notdonwon2 Video games are all about manipulating code and pixels. If you want to make yourself slower by driving in a less than optimal view then go ahead. But don't try and force others to use it or act like you only lost because you decided to handicap yourself.
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It's not cheating if it's in the game. If someone thinks chase cam gives such an immense advantage, they are more than welcome to use it.
He literally explained that you can do more in third-person, like exploiting track-limits to... well, the limit. - I feel that discredits the entire organization of the tournament, or the game itself even. - Why bother pretending it's a "simulator" when you can float behind a car like some kind of ghost?... Doesn't make any sense at all. It's the same crap as when in PUBg you can look over walls in third-person. - Sure, "if it's officially in the game, it's not cheating", but I just disagree, because in practice it literally is. The game is just broken in my view. - That said, I don't think it's AS bad in racing, but if they allow that in tournaments, that's just not right.
@@michaelmonstar4276 you're more than welcome to go play a sim. I never even claimed this game was a sim. Unless tournament rules state that using an in-game mechanic is cheating, then it isn't cheating. For example, a lot of people think shotguns are unfair in FPS games, but using one is not cheating unless tournament rules specify that it is. Many fighting games have broken characters: you know what people do? They ban those characters in competitive settings. Go ahead and petition for a ban of chase cam. Otherwise, stop whining.
being locked in cockpit view was my biggest reason to quit iracing. Sure, it's realistic...except in real life i can TURN MY HEAD AND CHECK MIRRORS.
Totally agree with you. Not sure if VR headsets change anything (as I havent tried that myself) but even so, I doubt it simulates sufficiently the real life experience
thats why you play with PSVR2, super amazing!
VR is great for immersion and with time you can have good awareness with it, but it still doesn't give you much as peripheral vision/awareness like IRL. Blind spots are exacerbated in PSVR2 due to the fact that your mirrors do not change what you see in them depending on the angle your looking into it, meaning you only see what directly behind the mirror at all times limiting its actual real world effect. It's still managble but not true to IRL.
Exactly. I dont use cockpit cam at all. They feel like im cheating so be it.
Thats why u use a triple monitor setting
For years I have adopted 3rd person camera only for arcade racing like NFS and FH but for more inmersion and competitive gaming I stick to cockpit/first person camera, specially when playing with steering wheel. Somehow my skills are different lol
The fastest drivers in the world use bumper/front of bonnet. I will never do that. I will always drive in cockpit mode, regardless of whether I'm losing half a second a lap or not.
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Exactly. You don't see Lewis Hamilton jumping out an stapping himself to the outside the car (that would be funny) during the pit stop because he's driving slower this time.
Good video but I think you should have covered bumper cam. The view is pretty similar to bonnet and you quickly learn the dimensions of the car and can accurately put the wheels where you want them without having to see the bonnet. And you get the big advantage of the rear view mirror which I find essential, especially for close racing.
I'm bumper most of the time, but If the car is too low you sometimes can't see anything when behind another car. Switching to bonnet cam is then the same height as 'normal' bumper cam.
If GT7 would make dialy race with "in cockpit" it would be a hole different story for some drivers. But the thing is in many cars the mirrors inside sucks.
As someone who's been driving daily for 20+ years and just started sin racing what you've said makes sense. The cockpit views are just not right senses wise. The hood (or bonnet) cam is most realistic to me and my fastest laps. The 3rd person view I wreck every turn. It feels so weird.
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i started with the bonnet and felt i was quicker but started using the cockpit view got quicker with much more immersion
So you've been putting your head on the hood for 20+ years then... Very realistic.
Unless you have a triple screen or an ultra wide screen, cockpit cams of all games are wrong. You can't see what you could see in RL. Everything is to restricted. So, using another cam has a logic.
I do use cockpit cam 99% of the time but i can understand your point.
When it comes to the cockpit view in racing games on console, the best one or that I have found to prefer and like more is the one in ACC where it doesn't show the steering wheel, just the dashboard with the rev lights. Much better than the one cockpit view showing the steering wheel.
@@sonyx5332 i use this one too, in almost all racing games i play ( on pc ) . Feels more natural
its like looking trough a tube
It's also a matter of setting the camera position and FOV properly, because few people realize that often the camera is in an equivalent position of putting your face pretty much up against the rim of the steering-wheel, which would be idiotic to do in real life. Your head should be near the headrest of course, which some games at least allow you to do, and then you can already see more in width, as well as over the hood and plenty of the environment in front, plus if you tweak the FOV (but not too wide or everything in the distance will just become too distant, besides things will distort) you'll be able to have a good overview of everything critical. - But I bet most people don't bother and have that default "face-to-the-wheel" view and just feel it sucks, because it does. I didn't realize this for the longest time, but once I found games that let me change it, it clicked that it has often just been wrong in games and I could finally get the view that's more equivalent to real-life. - And yea, it really helps to at LEAST have 21:9, as it allows for about 30% more information and it feels a LOT more natural.
Last year Tidgney did some time trial testing with different views, and for him the bumper camera was the fastest.
Not for me mine is top of bonnet
I have a very good sim setup and I use 3rd person view, and I nail just about every corner. Remember we are talking about a racing game here and not real life. In reai life I get behind the wheel and drive, a racing game in 3rd person view for me because it's a racing game and not real.
When it comes to playing racing games players can choose what ever driving view they want, because it is only a game and there should be no argument about what driving view you should or should not use.
If it's not cockpit view it's not really a simulation. I don't remember drivers being strapped to the roof of a car and getting around bathurst. Anyone that doesn't use cockpit view can only be playing an arcade game.
Exactly. It's really like a driving experience...or straight up video game sillyness watching the car like you are a bird flying behind it. Third "person?" lol.....more like first pigeon view....or first hawk view if manage faster cars.
But that is simply what makes them the fastest in the world, and that pace usually somehow transfers over to real life in most cases. Though this is true, I will always be a cockpit driver.
Bonnet view gives the most accurate to what a human sees in real life driving.
For me personally the only time to really use cockpit view is VR.
I don't remember drivers having 2D static objects taking up their field of view like cockpit does.
Cockpit in 2D is not realistic at all because it artificially limits your view, thats just fact. Bonnet may not seem the most "real", but when compared to cockpit in 2D it is much more representative of how our 3D vision eliminates stuff around us.
I play VR only, and the view in 3D is NOTHING like 2D cockpit. It's not even the same world. Bonnet in 2D is the closest we'll get to what our eyes see IRL.
@@focussport how exactly is a completely unobstructed view remotely close to what you see IRL??? In real life you look over a dashboard, through the windshield, over the hood of the car. There’s absolutely NOTHING artificial about the mass of the car in front of you blocking what you see outside. To claim otherwise is ridiculous. Please show me the car that you drive with zero obstructions to your sight line? I’ll wait…forever, because there is no such car. Nice try though.
If u wana be the GOAT drive in 3rd person , if u wana play for fun drive in 3rd person .... So we only use cockpit or bumper if we want to be mediocre?
Wish we had cockpit only dailies
Most people wouldn’t play them, far too restrictive……
@christophersauer1939 That's the only way I play. I feel like it's the most realistic not only visually but feeling wise. I feel perfectly centered like driving in real life. May be a bit restrictive especially with the hypercars but just watch your radar and listen for the other engines beside and around you. Also use the damn brakes. A lo5 of drivers don't understand sometimes its better to pull back and let someone overtake you than to cause a crash.
I think a lot of people would like to play on cockpit view. There are a lot of competitive people on GT7 who would like the emergence and level playing field that would offer.
@@BL4K_B4BIES I agree.
Use whatever camera you want but in terms of the official tournaments I personally think that it should be forced cockpit view
Keep dreaming about that, GTWS finals don't enforce cams, that's why Valerio Gallo uses external cam
No, use what works best for you, you don't wreck others
NONE of the views are totally realistic. As when we drive a car at the limit of grip in real life we depend on feel. It's about feeling that back end start to lose grip. No sim can replicate this. Some professional racing drivers are hopeless at sim racing. Ben Collins says the two are so different. So any visual advantage probably makes up for the lack of physical inertia felt when driving at speed in real life.
One issue with cockpit view for me is that, in a real car, I am able to defocus the framing around the windshield as I look out into the outside world.
In a 2D sim tho, I cannot do that, but my mind keeps trying to, which as a result typically leads to some rather severe tension headaches after awhile behind the wheel.
Who is "they" and why do they have anything to do with how you or anyone plays a game they payed for? The real argument that causes the controversy is this: Do people driving in cams like chase cam give that person an advantage over someone who drives in the cockpit cam. The answer to that is yes, and it's for all the reasons you mention here. Everyone do what you want. It's your game and you payed for it. I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are two types of sim drivers. Those who want as much immersion as possible and those that want to win at all costs. Neither is wrong imo. I just wish they would split them up when racing in competition settings.
Not cheating just not realistic when people want to race as real as possible
First person whether it be a shooter, RPG or racing game is not remotely like real life anyway. VR might be different but I've never used it so I have absolutely no concept it but your pov is limited and you can't move your neck and body in which when driving in real life is key. Maybe them massive rigs some people have that's pretty much a car have a decent field of view but if you've got one of them then you're at an advantage anyway. Anyone who plays the Elder Scrolls Oblivion and says "this is just like real life" needs a lobotomy and that is exactly the same for anyone who thinks driving in a cockpit in a game is like driving in real life.
In VR2 you can move you're head around and see everything. You can sit in a car and turn around and look at the back seats if the car has them. You drive like you normally do and turn your head to see the side view mirrors...it's a gigantic leap in "gaming" / racing. To me the VR2 is actually mind bending how good / "real" it actually feels and looks, especially with a basic wheel set up....no crazy movement rig...just a wheel set up and VR2.....scary good bro. scary good.
Eesports should be cockpit view, manual transmission only.
Bonnet cam is not remotely an accurate representation of the view seen when driving a car. Looking over the dashboard is ESSENTIAL to a realistic experience. How can you call a 100% unobstructed view realistic?? That’s nonsense. What it IS is a bogus competitive advantage with zero obstruction and a totally non-realistic higher sightline. Cockpit cam is the ONLY way to simulate actually driving a car. Nice try though.
I'm glad somebody else said this. I already commented disagreeing with him about something else and I totally didn't want to be the guy that leaves two disagreeing comments on one video lol. Anyways, this is probably the most truthful comment that will be posted on this video and when I got to that part of his commentary I was scratching my head, wondering if I've been doing life all wrong for the last 40 something years. You Sir, are my hero today! Thank you!
idk about yall, but every car ive ever driven has only had 1 steering wheel. why would i play with a wheel on the screen if i already have 1 in front of me??
who said anything about two steering wheels. I agree that's dumb. Turn the steering wheel off. I certainly don't have any of the dashboards I drive in sim in my room with me so there's only one of those also.@@chandlurr_vr
@@chandlurr_vr did it have a dashboard and gauges?? I’m guessing yes. Do you look over the dashboard while sim racing?? Hope so. Not sim if you’re not looking over the dashboard. Most sims have the option to eliminate the wheel and hands from the cockpit view. Only GT7 doesn’t have that option.
@@videditorEB1 i thought this video was about GT7..
It is possible to get a better view from inside the cockpit if using the 'offset' .. Would be nice if 'no hands and wheel' was an option in cockpit view.
I hadn’t known this was an “issue” for some ppl, I love the bonnet view, it like a lot more precise
IMO 3rd person and bumper are easy mode. I prefer cockpit view, I hardly ever win but I like the challenge.
Bonus points for cockpitview. Needed
It’s just a preference IMO
For me chase cam (3rd person) I can see all around me, how the car reacts and so on, but most roll with bumper or roof cam. It’s not actually on the bonnet which a lot of people think.
flexible!!
In gt7 u can move the camera around in the cockpit I have mine set higher up and further back
As a bit of an admitted comment-section critic on your videos, this is honestly one of your best works. Correct FOV would be a good addition to this subject and how to use an online FOV calculator to maximize a realistic sense of speed, making the most of a 2D first-person POV.
I always use bonnet cam. Because then its good to know how far away you are from the car in front of you and how wide your car is to. And use Rader and the little red dots that come up when someone is close to you.
My thoughts are if you go around saying your a sim racer and not using the inside cockpit ( I use the VR ) then its not sim racing. "Simulation, true to life" "Realistic". Thats sim racing. Using the real proper camera from the cockpit. If you were to translate this to racing in real life, you would be left behind
In GT bonnet cam is the most realistic for me because when I am sat playing my peripheral vision sees the room I'm sat in and my TV screen becomes the windscreen; I drive faster in bumper cam and the dials are better.
Except the screen isn't separated from where that camera is, so you're essentially saying that the windscreen is on top of the bonnet as well and your head is on the dashboard. - Thing with virtual images is, it already creates space between the virtual camera and whatever objects there are in front of it, which is an image that gets projected onto your eyes. Which in turn means that it simulates where your head is, and the space between the monitor and your real-life head does not count. - The virtual camera should be where your head would be in the virtual world, period, as it's first-person (not "in front of the person"). And then you're looking through this "virtual window" (which is your character's eyes) and how large that window is depends on the monitor's aspect-ratio as well as the FOV-setting. - So the correct camera-position (which is in front of the head-rest) plus a proper FOV-setting (so it's at least not too "zoomed in" like most games) is how it's "correct". - The only problem with this is, if you're far away from the screen, it makes it worse, and if your monitor is small, it makes it worse yet. I mean, if you can't get the virtual steering-wheel to be nigh life-size on the screen (as it would be nearest to the virtual camera or character's view), that's basically too small. But there ya go, my two cents.
Use any camera that you want and don't criticize people like me, Valerio Gallo and others for using external view cam only because you want "immersion and reality"
I started in roof camera. When I switched to bumper cam, I instantly became faster. I feel like I'm more in the track, I guess
bumper cam will always be faster. Sure, you have to adjust, but you will always find more speed in that cam and front of bonnet because you know exactly where the dimensions of the car/tyres end.
I drive 3rd person as that’s how I played “pole position” on Atari, I tried bumper but I find I spin easier as I can’t see the rear rotating. If I changed I’d go bumper so I can have a rear view camera, I sometimes do time trial and daily A in bumper cam; but in serious stuff like gtws I’m 3rd person as per your benefits. I feel bumper and bonnet u see brake markers better
Proof people will cry over ANYTHING. If you think it's cheating, don't use it, I'll continue cheating. 🤦
Completely agree about the bonnet camera. It's definitely the most like being in a car based on my setup.
You have a car with a completely unobstructed view in front of you? No dash? No A pillars?? No windshield??? Lol. Funny. The view that’s most like being in a car, is the view from IN THE CAR. 😂
@@videditorEB1 we dont see that in real life. F1 drivers dont see the Halo, humans dont see their nose.
You earned yourself a new subscriber and like just for the thumbnail picture alone 😂😂😂
Thank you! been saying this for years that the cockpit view in sim games is not like real life at all. When I'm driving IRL I don't even notice the dashboard as such I always use the bonnet/hood cam which is much more accurate..
Defo not Cheating if its in the Game, But Cockpit View is Most Realistic By far. REAL LIFE RACING CARS You Sit as low as you possibly can - cause the CENTER OF BALLANCE is so Important so that makes your View 'Not to Great' sit in your Standard Home Car then you can see everything for sure But this is RACING so get in the Main Motion of how it should be 😁 Forced Cockpit or Helmet cam for sure & nothing outside , any of the other Views is just like Driving your Standard Home Car,,
I agree with you Kireth, the hood cam gives me the closest to how I perceive driving a real car. Have you tried Forza's "driver cam", I find that's better than the cockpit cam, which always looks like the same as when you're in the back seat of a taxi!
To be honest with the ground view or bumper view is what I have used for years it gives me that sensation of realness
Personally, I prefer bonnet view because of the sound 😂😂 right next to the engine
Saw my Maserati MC20! Didn't realize a game had that. I own a Cielo version in white. Fun car. 😁
The best camera is VR. My VR laps are more consistent, faster, and just more engaging.
Why was this view not discussed. It is the most realistic. Most YT players don’t use because they can’t interact with their chat. I only use VR. 🇨🇦
Whatever camera view makes you faster then use it 👊🏻 I use 3rd person 👌🏻
I like the drivers seat cam the most but when driving online im using third person to see what the idiots around me are doing😂😂
I want to like hood/bonnet-cam but, short of maybe bumper cam, it's the camera that gives me a motion sensitivity headache the fastest.
There are a handful of games like Need for Speed Shift (yeah, I know it's approaching 15 years old but I haven't played any serious racing games since 7th gen) where I do like playing in cockpit view for a while but I generally have always preferred third-person camera even if it's generally looked down upon by purists.
When I am driving a real car I have the ability to look around… When you are stuck in a car looking forward then that is unfair in a racing scenario. I don’t know why people are even arguing this.
3rd person all the way for me
If you call yourself a SIMRACER, you should use the cockpit perspective, if you are just a normal gamer, without pretensions and without a sim-rig and steering wheel, you can also drive from a bird's eye view. But I don't know any racing driver who sits on the roof of his car and thereby gains an advantage. SIMRACERS belong in the COCKPIT, everything else is just ARCADE for me!
Ooh.. simracer gatekeeping... cool.
Bonnet allows for you to see the peripheral information you would get looking out of a real car. Cockpit literally puts a 2D template of nonsense (the interior) that frames your view and artificially restricts it.
If more people used logic and reason in here instead of "hur durr sim racer iRacing durr" then we would all be better off.
How about no one tells me how to play video games in my own home, and I don't tell others how to play video games in their own homes? People who complain about not driving in first person just come off as salty, try hards who are just upset they are slow and blame it on camera settings.
Just accept the fact that Toto Wolff isn't calling you up to replace Lewis Hamilton no matter how many virtual races you might win, and you might enjoy sim racing a bit more without acting like some incel.
I always play in first person for immersion but I couldn't care less what view other people are using. This isn't a full blown sim, so who cares?
Since GT Sport I have only driven in roof cam, except for cars like the Mini, and for the reasons that you said. Whereas as before, GT4 for example, I was always a chase cam racer, but now I am thoroughly converted 😅.
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I use 1st person, which you didn't mention, gives the most view of the road to come, i feel most comfortable in 1st person and know exactly where my wheels will touch on the side, just my opinion.
Been playing Gran Turismo 4 on my steam deck. Only with the bonnet cam can I get my fastest times. But I only play Gran Turismo 7 in VR
You can choose whatever views that works best for you, I did use roof cam for years in GT Sport. Now I use Chase cam view in GT7 all the time and I loving it, ok it is not real and it is only a game sitting in my driving simulater.
You are 100% right here K. The people arguing for cockpit being the most realistic are COMPLETELY ignoring how our eyes parse visual information. "IRacing does it" is not an argument for anything. If people are arguing for "realism" then VR would be the only way.
Like you've said, having a 2D interior template blocking a third of the screen that you cannot see past is in no way realistic at all. Bonnet is 100% the closest GT7 gives us to a realistic driving vantage.
3rd person is definitely the least real of any of them, and is the only one I would point at as being a "cheat", but it is a fun way for people to play and see the car in action, so who cares if that's someones preference.
Great vid!
Also, the difference in left and right-hand drive can’t be simulated when your camera is stuck in the center of the car. Bottom line: Cockpit cam is more difficult. If it’s TOO difficult for you to deal with, then you’re not a sim-racer. You’re not simulating anything. Sorry, but facts.
Like he said, unless you get a huge screen or VR, the cockpit camera doesn't give you a vision as wide as you will get irl so it's also far to be close to reality ...
@@SuPerArCtiKlike I said, cockpit cam is the most realistic view available in any sim. Is it totally realistic? No. Is there a view more realistic?? Again...no.
Roof cam is the only one I can drive in in GT7. Interior cam has the delayed steering animation that throws me off, I can't position my car properly in bumper cam and in a racing game chase cam is just all sorts of awful for my driving
I dont consider it a "Sim" in that view. I was under the impression those views were there for the kids. The true experience is driving from within the car, and for an experienced driver that's the only way it should be
Boom!!! 100% correct!!
Not in 2D it ain't. Cockpit view is artificially restrictive and ridiculous in 2D.
Bonnet 100% in 2D. But I only play in VR, so my cockpit view is perfect.
@@focussport don't get me started on unrealistic lol. There's more than just the view. I managed to make it from day one on the original Gran Turismo without vr, and I see no reason to spend $500 on it now. It's nice, but the only reason you really ever need to look left to right is to make sure you've cleared another car. Does it matter near as much in a virtual world, as it does in the real world when you've got to fix the car, or deal with the guy you scrubbed later
@@heinous70 I've owned every GT since 1 except prologue and 6, and many other 2D racing titles, and what you say doesn't make any sense. You don't "need" VR, it just makes GT7 a completely different and better experience. You have depth, and peripheral vision, and working mirrors. It's a car without the physical movement. And it does matter where you are in a virtual world because in online racing you effect other racers. Something tells me you've never tried GT7 VR, because if you did, you wouldn't be so dismissive of it.
@focussport I'm dismissive, because it wasn't the subject here. I'm happy for you that you have VR, but my pride sits in the garage. Not in a video game peripheral. That's the best view. Especially for someone with old eyes
I was today years old when i realised "Big Camera" controls SimRacing.
Great vid mate.
My argument is that, especially when using a single monitor, ALL of the cameras are wrong in some way. But the cockpit is the least wrong.
Definitely think that inside car is the best advantage. You think that any F1 driver sim race in 3rd person or bonnet view? Do they lose?
gt7 needs an ultra wide viewing angle, even if that means black bars top and bottom so that I can enjoy cockpit view. I hate being restricted to half of what any real driver can normally see.
most ppl are arguing coz we are played a little differently... i played in VR every race... so i dont see my thrustmaster wheel.. 😂 so the wheel in the cockpit is the only place where it show me the info in a GR3 car... and it isnt fair when ppl use other views to see a wider angle and punched me out at the same time... thats just my opinion tho...
u guys on the tv screen still argues when u got the radar and a further wider view... and pushed ppl off track when they got u from the inside... 😅
You should use which ever cameraview you want. Tge game allows it so its not cheating. Its a game not real life. In real life i can turn my head and see out of all the windows not just half of the front wind shield and driver's side window.
The idea camera for VR is cockpit view. Because the windshield is life size and you are focused solely on looking through it. It doesnt feel limiting.
On a monitor the best view for realism is the bonnet or hood cam, as in this mode your screen "becomes" your windshield peering out over the hood of the car . Only real disadvantage here is that most games I've seen dont offer you rear view or side view cameras.
Chase cam is a fun view, that also has its merits, but not for realism first players.
It's not all that complicated really.
Whats funny about the whole argument is that in the end we are all just dude playing games.
I'm using 3rd person. I like to see my entire car. The way it feels and the way i have to drive is still sim. But my reaction time seems quicker in the cock pit or the bumper.
I have way better reaction with cockpit. Something about seeing the wheel move with track makes the driving feel smoother.
Yes ! Wheres the IMMERSION In 3 person !?
in a bird's beak i presume
Love 3rd person ❤
Chase cam driver here but because I'm on controller and can't really feel what the car is doing so I have to go off of sight, if that makes sense.
Normally I prefer third person or cockpit cam, but in GT7 the ONLY way I can drive even decently well is hood/bumper cam. I absolutely cannot use the 3rd person cam in GT7
Its a game.
Just one detail, because the bumper camera is actually on the roof of the car, close to the windshield, there isn't even a hood camera
Third person view is like you're controlling an RC (radio controlled) car and not actually driving anymore. If you don't use a wheel and you use third person view, then I'd say it's closer to the Matchbox cars video game; that only has third person view. Races should have equal view. I only want to race against other people in VR2. The VR2 view is even more limited in that the road, corners, other cars, etc. will all be more out of view than on the bumper cam, roof view, and third person views from flat screen. I'm only in it for the full immersion. To each their own. If third person makes you happy, great. But I do believe it's unfair to allow people to drive with different views. Same view (whatever it is) should be how the races are set up.
Bumper or cockpit cam are by far the best overlays in this game if your on a wheel. There is technically no difference in fov between the cockpit/bumper and bonnet. So from an fov perspective which is by far the most important detail for immersion, bumper and cockpit are the best by far and still leave a lot to be desired as far as realism due to any real adjustments in the game. There are great videos out there on FOV if you actually want a proper understanding of how to get an immersive sim racing experience on a 2d screen. Psvr2 by far takes the cake with gt7 though, I've not played the game without it since I got mine.
and what about cockpit camera offset mode? Am I the only one who use that? It feels me the best compromise in 2D ever!
I don't care if other people play in 3rd person but I would never feel like I do sim racing if I played in 3rd person, that's videogaming to me. In my opinion, simulation is about making it real and 3rd person doesn't feel real at all. I think VR is the best way to go if you want to get as close as possible to the real thing.
I prefer realism, cockpit when i drive with wheel. Sometime third person when im on controler.
I was always chase cam up to GT4. It was always more fun, but then my friends and the AI were always worse than me. Things changed when it went to online and went bumper cam. Despite the better competition the joy wasn't there so much. That PP isn't used in daily races is just anti-GT in my opinion. Mixing up cars is what GT used to be all about. Its still a great game but it tries its hardest to be corduroy and beige.
Cockpit view looks cool but it’s impossible to race as you can’t see especially in a Lamborghini where you can’t see over the dash so you can’t see the track. Plus the door/window struct blocks your view plus you get distracted by the windscreen reflections and the nobs and dials. I’m in a wheelchair and often on roads and the view without any car is the easiest for me as that’s just what I see. However in The Crew Motorfest I prefer the bonnet cam but the cockpit view is easier than GT7.
If GT7 made the Cockpit View much higher then I would actually use it.
So I'm normally a cockpit, only kind of guy. But the other day I was racing not in vr but the citreon car cockpit was atrocious. That was the first time I went to the bumper cam and actually had fun.
ONE OF US
Cockpit view is technically more non realistic when it comes to general sim racing setups. General sim racing setups uses rigs that are already far away from the monitor and then you decide to add more depth by using the cockpit view? That's why you should never use the cockpit view if you want a closer to realistic distance to the car's windshield view. That would significantly improve how you perceive distance between your cars bumper and the corners.
Using the cockpit view is like adding two cockpits in your car. The first one is your sim rig's cockpit and the second one is in the game. Cockpit view is a good option but technically not the most realistic way to drive when using a general sim rig setup. Its probably very rare for a sim racer to stick their sim wheel very close to the monitor and use the cockpit view. That just asking for a larger pixel view and its not ideal to stare at the monitor very close.
I prefer realistic, so I just use cockpit view, but me rig is a full motion platform, and I have wind generator to simulate speed , and in vr
People complain about views but when I go in my cockpit view and max out the FoV so i can see 180° around me, then they complain again, just drive as you wish and that's fine, haters gonna hate, you can't and never will please them all, for instance I like the chase cam
Assetto corsa camera customisation is great , shame gt7 isn't as good with its options with camera adjustments
Dude, I can't drive in anything but bumper cam. I've tried and an easy slower in every other view. Also bumper cam has the added advantage of the best rear view mirror in GT7.
I disagree that other views give the advantage of knowing where the car is versus track limits. That is solved with practice.
I wished they let us customize which cam show when you swap I’d like to have just two views third and cockpit. I hate having to cycle between all of them
The only realistic one in gt7 is the cockpit camera, a camera between the wheel and dash would be best but it isnt available.
Interestingly though, WRC driver Oliver Solberg stated that he prefers chase camera for playing racing games, even with a wheel because its the only view you can actually notice the real movement of the car, nothing like actually "feeling" car movement, but being able to see it can help.
as for 3rd person, it almost seems comical winning a competition in a game that isn't full sim, but tries to be at certain levels. 3rd person should be reserved for arcade racers and replays.
In acc you can adjust ur sight inside your car. In gt its limited and not enaugh. But anyways not to brag but i drive just as good in firstperson, roof and hood view. Its not an issue for me. Just gotta look around more inside the car to look for people beside you. And teach ur cars width…
Absolutely love the thumbnail pic, hilarious 😂
If it claims to be a simulator then I require the ability to drive with full visibility and that’s about it. If I’m inside the car then I can’t see much so I need full visibility if I am going to accept this as a simulator. It’s that simple. Conversation over.
Best thumbnail of 2024 so far ❤
STOP THE COUNT
I only had to make 2 cameras, when you play with remote control the camera 3 person only with remote control, and if you play with the steering wheel the interior of the car, only that 2 .it would be logical
You are all Race drivers but when you play it’s on faking camera. Inside the car is sow diferent from real life. And 3rd person view is better then real live. And drive on the bonet is real life???
Driving in 3rd person is just wrong...especially with a wheel just seems demented to me...Unrealistic.
3rd person is for using a controller no one driving a real car on the road or track wants to be driving their car in 3rd person.
In ACC you can move your seat in any way you want so you can bring it forward if u want. Also you can bring FOV in and with tripple monitors it will restore the wide field of view.
Best of both worlds.
Oh I forgot... Can't do any of that on console.. What a shame 😅
I don't think the cockpit view in GT7 is realistic, unless you have PS VR2. Cockpit view without a steering wheel like we have in AC and ACC is way better.
I play mostly in vr so I'm kinda used to and race better in cockpit cam
Anyone saying that using that camera view equals to cheating is a damn first class special kind of eedeeot (as Niko Bellic would say).
That thumbnail is golden 😄😂
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