I think the 18" proof uses a rifle+1 gas length. I have a 16" with a rifle length gas system. Such a pleasure to see someone use the 6arc at distance with so many helpful comparisons. My range maxes out at less than 100 yards
100yds, that's .22LR perfection. Get good at marksmanship for very low cost. You could start with irons, then a 3x or 4x scope, a 9x, then a bigger magnification each, as your groups shrink and you are aiming at smaller and smaller things. A lot of people jump right into a full centerfire cartridge when starting with rimfire can dial in your fundamentals very nicely. You can do a lot at 25 yds, at 50 yds, at 100 yds with rimfire. As you get better and better you will see -- the same small inefficiencies play out in rimfire at 50+ yds, as they would in centerfire at 100+.
Rifle length gas tubes are nice! Shoot soft. Just did a 14.1" pin and weld in 5.56 and shoots sub moa with ball ammo. Will do the same with the 6 ARC. Probably 16"
I have a build ready and I'm just trying to decide between a 16 and 18 in proof cf. Have you had a chance to shoot out to a thousand? I've arranged nearby that has a thousand, but like the idea of my rifles being at least somewhat maneuverable and lighter.
It’s got to be an accurate barrel regardless of the length. Extra FPS is a bonus. Each tool has its place. Know your task, pick your tool. Buy the best tool for the job!👍 Great video. 6 ARC is a good cartridge for a short action option.
I currently have a 6arc with a 24" bartline barrel. That gun shoots sub .5" 10 shot groups at 100 with factory hornady match 108. I know this is on the other side of the spectrum from the short barrel, however it makes for an amazing prs gas gun. Great content, keep up the good work.
Maybe it’s just me, but this little 6mm ARC (even on a shorty 14.5in barrel) is a freight train fast round. The sounds between each shot and the impacts are incredibly short at those VERY long distances. I’m so used to hearing long delays between shots and impacts on many other platforms I guess. Truly impressed. As usual, thank you for posting.
The increase in commercial loads, varieties of loads, during the past 2 yrs or so suggests it has a place for at least a while. I suspect it may become the most common non-NATO load for the AR 15 platform where distance / wind are factors. A couple years back I was thinking on 6 ARC or 6.5 Grendel or .224 Valkyrie and settled on Grendel as it had the greatest availability of rounds in the commercial market for the best prices/round of the 3 choices. Today the Valkyrie seems off-radar and the ARC on the upswing.
@lugnut93 I shoot it out of the AR platform. All the data I have on it, stays supersonic out to 900yds. It's a deer slaying machine for me. Unfortunately where I live, I can only stretch it out on the range. But it has taken deer successfully out to 350 yds. It's also been successful on Elk, as the guy that turned me onto the cartridge uses a gasser for Elk hunting.
@@toolman9081Can't argue with your data. There is no doubt 6.5 Grendel is an effective round. But the extra velocity of the 6 ARC gives a little more confidence for expansion at 300+ yards.
Great presentation and footage and fantastic shooting mate 👍 I'm stoked to see your channel gathering industry support, it is well deserved! Keep up the great work!
Awesome content! Unfortunately Hornday uses a very temp sensitive powder in their 105bthp ammo. Out of my 22" barrel I have seen about 2640fps in 50 deg weather and 2700+ fps in 90 deg weather.
Experienced the same thing. Same goes for a lot of the suggested powders for reloading ARC so I've settled for slower velocity and temp stability out of varget.
That’s crazy! I didn’t know temp could affect it so much, do you know if it would be as drastic a change in 5.56 zeroed in 80 degree weather going to 10 degree weather?
@@Minuteman762 depends on the powder used. All powders will have velocity variations in extreme temperature swings as you're asking about but some are way worse than others. That's why hunters and competition shooters will do one of two things, they'll either have hot/cold loads or pick the more temperature stable powders they can get. On the average almost nobody will see a temp swing that wild (10 to 80 degrees) in the same day but say start out at 35 degrees and it warms up to 80 degrees that's going to make a heck of a difference at long ranges. Now, for something like a 5.56 carbine shooting out to only 300 yards at a torso sized target, I wouldn't worry about it. It's going to hit. At that point all you need to worry about is "Is this weapon going to function properly?". ;-)
Love it!! Would also love to hear periodic updates over time on your experience with this cartridge in the AR platform. I have been reading a lot about it and have been seeing a lot of reports about bolt problems, or bolt face cracks with this cartridge.
I've been shooting 6.5 Grendel regularly since 2009. I have 7 of them, but have shot 16", 18", and 12" the most. 12" has been shot almost exclusively suppressed with TBAC Ultra 5, with Bootleg Adjustable Gas carrier fully choked. I haven't broken anything but scopes. I have friends who have broken extractors when there was a bad run of extractors, but over thousands of rounds so far, I have yet to break any Grendel bolts or extractors. I have broken 5.56 bolts in torturous high volume sessions. I just changed the bolt and springs, continued shooting.
Awesome video! Loving the 18" from what I see. I've got a realistic goal for the rifle I've wanted to build since I was 12... even though 6 ARC wasn't around then. 😂
I have an Odin Works 18in 6 ARC with a rifle +1 gas and love it. Took it out to 1000 last weekend with the intention to double tab but the wind sucked. Hit at 1k but no double!
Odin Works makes some good barrels. I have a 20" DMR profile 6.5 Grendel, and an 18" 3-Gun profile .223 Wylde. Both easily sub MOA with decent to better ammo, haven't tried handloads for either yet. I've been thinking about that barrel you have. Good to hear it's a shooter too.
I helped a friend assemble a twenty inch 6mm Creedmoor with a Proof Research full SS barrel. It was crazy accurate. I shot multiple extended single hole groups. The owner shot a 5 shot vertical string of around 3/4 MOA on his fist 5 shots. He was a happy camper. I vouch for the accuracy of the Proof Research barrels.
Very interesting results with the carbon fiber barrel. I have heard many people talking about groups opening up after about 4 or 5 consecutive rounds. That is why I bought a stainless steel proof barrel instead. I would be interested to see more content on the carbon fiber barrel consistency after heating up, since your barrel seems to be holding groups well
I bought the same proof CF 18” when they released for my geiselle rifle and honestly I don’t even touch my MK12 uppers anymore. It’s such a good rifle/ammo combination.
Meh, I’m about the opposite. Don’t shoot the 6 arc as much as I expected when I can still shoot 77gr for nearly 1/2 the cost out to my usual 500-700 yards I can get to without driving 2+ hours for 1000 yards.
@@JGoodZX6R I hand load as well as I have plenty of space here in MT so it breathed new life into the AR for me, which is great because I’ve been bored with it for a couple of years now.
Loved the video man. I am looking to build a 6arc for my son to hunt and introduce distance shooting. To me, this video really shined the light on differences in budget and higher end barrels. Consistency is just so much better on that proof barrel, and at distance, it really stood out to me. I subscribed.
And depending on weiight pickiness, you don't have to spend Proof money. A few good barrel makers can sell you an 18" 6 ARC for less than a Proof. Especially if your aims are like MMM's -- 1.5 MOA or better. That's a good practical accuracy for anything but benchrest matches. Of course if you have the bucks the Proof is lighter than an all-steel barrel and will certainly deliver on the sub MOA question.
@@seanoneil277 An all-steel Proof barrel can save you $150-200 over the carbon one. It is still significantly more, but a couple hundred less might convince some to bite the bullet.
@@EssPhour Especially when it's very hard to find in-person or online experiences of anything less than great accuracy from a Proof. Everyone loves them. I'm just the stubborn sort who tries to save a hundred or two while still getting good accuracy. Some day I'll buckle and buy a Proof. Baby steps, though. Only a few months back I popped for a Lilja.
I've heard from competition shooters that you first gotta fire a few rounds from the new/just cleaned barrel before taking using it to gauge accuracy. similar logic to people revving up their engines just before the drag race starts i guess.
I have watched all of your 6arc videos. Love seeing the performance that you have achieved. So, I have made the plunge. Instead of the 14.5” faxon barrel, I did a 16” barrel with mid-length gas. Super excited to try it out. Went to the range this week and was shooting factory Hornady 103gr and Hornady Black 105gr. All at 100 yds at this point and I am getting about 2-3 MOA. Today, I was seeing 3-5 MOA. I was disappointed to say the least. I was expecting something better than this out of factory ammo out of a 16”. I am open to thoughts and ideas. Thanks!
Derek Wilson made a comment of this regard, previously. There is a measurement and calculation necessary for long range. Propellent temperature. Just like Derek said, you can see a huge difference with only a few degrees temperature differential. We sent rounds between -30F to +120F. The ballistic calculations wouldn't seem reasonable, but the difference is massive at range
I just built a complete 6ARC Wilson Combat upper with their 18 inch barrel. I use in OSS 762TI can. Just got it zeroed, haven’t got it out to distance yet. Great video and content!
During site in I got one inch with Hornady 108 ELD. A few weeks ago I shot it out to 450 and 600 on 12inch plates. Myself and my friend hit both every shot. I’m very pleased with the accuracy. No problems with liability. I’ve only had time to take it out twice, probably only 40 rounds down range so far.
I'd really like to see a video side by side best ar15 cal for long range via price per round, terminal performance, and flight ballistics. And thanks to your Eotech Exps 3-4 video, I bought a 5x magnifier, and it pairs nicely with SS109 Norma.
At 100yrds. the first 10 warm up 14.5" Factson barrel, not so good 😕. I saw IT do better for you, maybe gettn dirty grooves loosing some twist . Well ...you've shown very well what is possible, outstanding range work as always ❤. Your awesome Buddy
I love my proof barrels. they just work. been shooting my 6arc out over 1k on a 20" 2670fps. the best part about it though is how flat it is between 300 and 700.
The single based powders that work so well in an ARC round dirty a barrel up in 100 rounds. lever Evo and CfE 223 are barrel cleaners after use. Clean and retest and I think you will be surprised
Hi and thank you again for sharing your experience strange to see how useful your content is in relation to something I was trying to explain to my friend basically I had to buy two barrels it prove it I find buying custom made barrels has made huge improvements in accuracy I also properly break in my barrel and do thorough cleaning this has improved my accuracy overall Much respect Bill W.
Hey Bill, once again really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos and support the channel! Lots of new content in the works so hope you'll stay tuned. Can't say I spend much time on the barrel break in side of things as that's been hit or miss for me through the years. Cleaning though is one that I spend a lot of time doing. I went a long time thinking a dirty barrel would shoot just as well as a clean barrel but through the years I've decided that's not the case. I believe some kind of regular barrel cleaning is important to keep a barrel performing as best as possible. I'm thinking it's very possible the large group out of the 14.5" barrel is a result of how dirty it is..... thinking I should clean her up good and then reshoot to see what happens.
Got a 15" 6ARC and the things is one of my favorite rifles to shoot out to distance. Even with my crappy aim I can keep it at MOA. The barrel on it is a Criterion. Only wish ammo wasn't so expensive for it, but Gorilla is coming out with some 6ARC and looking forward to giving that a try.
Everyone kinda expected the decrease in accuracy in a shorter cheaper barrel, however I would love to see a 18-20” barrel of the same brand to see if it is more accurate or not.
I built a lightweight 16" 6.5 Grendel with a Faxon barrel. It shoots a 1.6" 6 shot group at 100 with steel wolf pretty damn good but like most Faxon it's way over gassed. I have a superlative block on full vent with a Flow 762 Ti and it's on the cusp of too much gas but still stays somewhat flat. I have an urge to make a 14.5 6arc but I already am somewhat in on the Grendel. I feel like the Grendel to the 6 arc is the similar 308 to 6.5 Creedmore debate.
I get more knowledge after watching these vids. Absolutely find it fascinating! If sHTF ,this is the guy you want on your team. Your vids hands down are my absolute favorite. You definitely know your stuff!
Nice. Thank you for being responsive after your 14" 6arc vs 5.56 video to getting a more appropriate DMR barrel and giving us data (fps, mrad drop, spread). Thank you also for your other observations. I request further you compare also with Faxon 16" or 18" and let us know the profile. You are not alone in finding that that ammo Hornaday black 105gr BTHP is quite variable. I have been frustrated by that too. Great vid.
I’d recommend picking up an EABCO 24” to try out. I’ve had good luck with mine and and it’d be interesting to see the speeds for a longer barrel without too much cost.
if someone doesn't think the 14.5 is capable they clearly haven't watched your other videos on it. Would love to see more videos with the 108 ELDM's. Disappointed with the faxon group, quality of barrel does matter but still. Definitely pushing the boundary of the 14.5 at 1k but still great to see it land hits. Great video as always.
Let me know what you think. I built an 18” Wilson also using all Wilson Combat parts and I’m less than impressed with the accuracy. The 20” Premium Ballistic Advantage rifle I built is far superior…
Man I’m just out here trying to keep the people entertained! Comments both positive and negative are how I stay in tune with the audience. Hope this one delivered on your expectations, if so hope you’ll stay tuned for more!
I recently was considering getting a 6mm arc rifle. Then I saw the price of the ammo, took my consideration away quick. I already have a couple of expensive rounds I use, don't need to add another.
That was awesome. I like the lighter weight to capability ratio of the 14.5" upper but group size was rough. Got me thinking i might need something better than my Type A barrel. Its not exactly a thick barrel but its not the Gunner profile from Faxon either.
What a well done video, made me miss eastern Montana too. Keep it up and it would be cool to see a comparison between your 18" arc and that new 22 arc down the road. Subscribed.
First off really appreciate you taking the time watch and support the channel! Lots of fresh content in the works so stay tuned. Great point on a 6arc vs 22arc comparison, that’s one that hasn’t even crossed my mind yet. Given the interest in 22arc I bet you’re not the only one asking how the 2 calibers compare side by side
I built a 6.5 Grendel using a 20-inch Faxon barrel. This confirms my findings with the 6.5 Grendel - I wish I had gotten the Proof Research barrel. The Faxon is a good barrel - I don't doubt that. The Proof Research barrels are definitely BETTER, though. I may do a 6mm ARC one day, and it will likely be a Proof Research barrel.
Break in As it was explained to me It’s kind of conditioning the metal It’s flashed over with extremely high heat And pressure Although we never see exactly what happens Inside So maybe the break in is not so much about Cleaning it but the time in between cleaning That allows barrel to cool down ? I used to build race engines We all did heat cycling on a exact schedule To condition the engine block Part of the schedule was overnight cooling All I know is people with a lot more experience Taught me about it My engines stayed together longer than others I am not a engineer although They are in my family history My dad worked on the first rocket engine That went to the moon as engineer Nicer made barrels might not need as Much break in But I want to shoot tiny groups always So I don’t know if it’s totally necessary But I am not willing to find out so I do break in Again thank you so much for your time and Experience
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In my area my 20” Proof with the H 108ELD is getting 2650-2670 and 9.9 mils of drop at 1000. Interesting to see the drop difference from my rifle to yours.
Copper fouling can kill accuracy. The first time I really saw it was when I was shooting 100yds with a handgun canik Tp9sfx. I was learning from a sponsored pro shooter and he wanted to see how good my basic mechanics were. Both of us struggled and it was throwing rounds different directions. He just thought it was from a cheap handgun while he shot his 8k Infiniti However the next time I came with a clean gun and we both had terrific success at the 100yd. Same ammo. Barrels also have a hard time switching between ammo with different types of metal. If you go from lead to copper will throw off accuracy the worst
Great videos. I'd love to see a comparison of all the hornady factory ammo offerings. I recently just put a 22" 6 arc together and i noticed that even though 103eld 105 bthp and 108 eld all put about the same 3/4 moa group on paper only one was consistent past 1,100 yds but they were all consistent at 1k yds 😂 its been throwing me for a loop . Really curious how the 80grainers will do at distance
Second or third time watching this video. Your information and skill are fantastic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I'd like to hear more about your history / experience. But... What are you going to do about your "channel" name when you finally grow out of that mullet!?!?
Thank you for doing the comparison. I am a big fan of 6mm ARC. I personally think it will be the U.S. military’s new service cartridge. Your video was extremely informative. I built a 6mm ARC gas gun with a Wilson Combat 18” mid gas link barrel. I am a huge fan of Proof carbon fiber wrapped barrels. I built a bolt gun with a Zermatt action and a Proof Research 22” pre-fit carbon fiber wrapped barrel. I am not a reloader. I am also a huge fan of Hornady ammunition and your video again was very informative. Again, thank you for the video. I always find your videos informative and educational.
The only 6arc barrels I use are Noveske. I just wish Noveske would make a CHF chrome line barrel in 6arc. I have the 18" and 12.5" with headspaced bolts and both are half to three quarter moa at 100 yds.. Noveske barrels are expensive but worth the money.
Noticed the same with my 18” BA barrel. One lot of the Hornady 105 was stacking rounds, so ordered 500 rounds of it and this lot is ~1.7 MOA 😐. Although velocity was “only” about 25 fps slower (2575 vs 2600)
Love how thorough you are with testing with different factors. I would have like to see the 14.5” as a proof or Noveske barrel to see if the grouping at 100 yards improved and to see if the 1035yard shots improved. Also would like to know how you get all these guns for testing?
14.5 Type A running a nightforce 2-20 and a leupold deltapoint pro up top. 6 arc is a performer 700 and in for 14.5 i dont have access to anything further so I am very happy with it being shorter.
The issue with this comparison is that you're using a silencer. The second is that it's 2 different silencers. Pretty sure a silencer adds some velocity.
Dude... The impacts on the second set of double taps at 1035 are nuts! That was some awesome shooting my dude.
Haha 6arc making it look easy! Such a fun caliber to shoot. Thanks for watching!
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The accuracy out of an AR platform at that distance is insanely impressive
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That 18” was insane. Would love to see the same quality barrel out of a 14.5 and see how much more consistent it is
I think the 18" proof uses a rifle+1 gas length. I have a 16" with a rifle length gas system. Such a pleasure to see someone use the 6arc at distance with so many helpful comparisons. My range maxes out at less than 100 yards
shoulda got a 300 black then
100yds, that's .22LR perfection. Get good at marksmanship for very low cost. You could start with irons, then a 3x or 4x scope, a 9x, then a bigger magnification each, as your groups shrink and you are aiming at smaller and smaller things.
A lot of people jump right into a full centerfire cartridge when starting with rimfire can dial in your fundamentals very nicely. You can do a lot at 25 yds, at 50 yds, at 100 yds with rimfire. As you get better and better you will see -- the same small inefficiencies play out in rimfire at 50+ yds, as they would in centerfire at 100+.
Rifle length gas tubes are nice! Shoot soft. Just did a 14.1" pin and weld in 5.56 and shoots sub moa with ball ammo. Will do the same with the 6 ARC. Probably 16"
I have a build ready and I'm just trying to decide between a 16 and 18 in proof cf. Have you had a chance to shoot out to a thousand? I've arranged nearby that has a thousand, but like the idea of my rifles being at least somewhat maneuverable and lighter.
You have convinced me that a 6mm arc is going to have to be my next upper. Why shoot 77smk when you can shot a 108 at almost the same speed.
It’s got to be an accurate barrel regardless of the length. Extra FPS is a bonus. Each tool has its place. Know your task, pick your tool. Buy the best tool for the job!👍 Great video. 6 ARC is a good cartridge for a short action option.
I currently have a 6arc with a 24" bartline barrel. That gun shoots sub .5" 10 shot groups at 100 with factory hornady match 108. I know this is on the other side of the spectrum from the short barrel, however it makes for an amazing prs gas gun.
Great content, keep up the good work.
Great use of camera work for a one man show! Start reloading 6 ARC and I think you will be very happy with the results. Great job
Great video and the 18” barrel did what I expected it to do. Good shooting.
Maybe it’s just me, but this little 6mm ARC (even on a shorty 14.5in barrel) is a freight train fast round. The sounds between each shot and the impacts are incredibly short at those VERY long distances. I’m so used to hearing long delays between shots and impacts on many other platforms I guess. Truly impressed. As usual, thank you for posting.
I hope the 6 ARC stays relevant. It’s a great do-it-all round for the AR.
The increase in commercial loads, varieties of loads, during the past 2 yrs or so suggests it has a place for at least a while. I suspect it may become the most common non-NATO load for the AR 15 platform where distance / wind are factors. A couple years back I was thinking on 6 ARC or 6.5 Grendel or .224 Valkyrie and settled on Grendel as it had the greatest availability of rounds in the commercial market for the best prices/round of the 3 choices. Today the Valkyrie seems off-radar and the ARC on the upswing.
Have you heard about the 6.5 Grendel?
@@toolman9081 of course, but I don’t love the velocities out of a gasser. Starts to get into questionable expansion range quicker.
@lugnut93 I shoot it out of the AR platform. All the data I have on it, stays supersonic out to 900yds. It's a deer slaying machine for me. Unfortunately where I live, I can only stretch it out on the range. But it has taken deer successfully out to 350 yds. It's also been successful on Elk, as the guy that turned me onto the cartridge uses a gasser for Elk hunting.
@@toolman9081Can't argue with your data. There is no doubt 6.5 Grendel is an effective round. But the extra velocity of the 6 ARC gives a little more confidence for expansion at 300+ yards.
Great presentation and footage and fantastic shooting mate 👍
I'm stoked to see your channel gathering industry support, it is well deserved!
Keep up the great work!
Awesome content! Unfortunately Hornday uses a very temp sensitive powder in their 105bthp ammo. Out of my 22" barrel I have seen about 2640fps in 50 deg weather and 2700+ fps in 90 deg weather.
Experienced the same thing. Same goes for a lot of the suggested powders for reloading ARC so I've settled for slower velocity and temp stability out of varget.
I had same experience. Over 100 fps difference and maybe 20 degrees difference.
That’s crazy! I didn’t know temp could affect it so much, do you know if it would be as drastic a change in 5.56 zeroed in 80 degree weather going to 10 degree weather?
@@Minuteman762 depends on the powder used. All powders will have velocity variations in extreme temperature swings as you're asking about but some are way worse than others. That's why hunters and competition shooters will do one of two things, they'll either have hot/cold loads or pick the more temperature stable powders they can get. On the average almost nobody will see a temp swing that wild (10 to 80 degrees) in the same day but say start out at 35 degrees and it warms up to 80 degrees that's going to make a heck of a difference at long ranges. Now, for something like a 5.56 carbine shooting out to only 300 yards at a torso sized target, I wouldn't worry about it. It's going to hit. At that point all you need to worry about is "Is this weapon going to function properly?". ;-)
Man, that sunshade was beautiful and that reticle on the Riton looked very clean. Your video’s are superb many thanks.
I’m digging the custom sunshade never thought of using an ammo box, I love it. Your killing it man keep the great content coming!!
That accuracy difference may also be related to suppressor quality too. I'd like to see the accuracy comparison without the cans
Ballistic dummy at the transonic point would be really cool to show power, keep them coming 👍
Love it!! Would also love to hear periodic updates over time on your experience with this cartridge in the AR platform. I have been reading a lot about it and have been seeing a lot of reports about bolt problems, or bolt face cracks with this cartridge.
I've been shooting 6.5 Grendel regularly since 2009. I have 7 of them, but have shot 16", 18", and 12" the most. 12" has been shot almost exclusively suppressed with TBAC Ultra 5, with Bootleg Adjustable Gas carrier fully choked.
I haven't broken anything but scopes. I have friends who have broken extractors when there was a bad run of extractors, but over thousands of rounds so far, I have yet to break any Grendel bolts or extractors.
I have broken 5.56 bolts in torturous high volume sessions. I just changed the bolt and springs, continued shooting.
I'm SO pumped that you're getting the attention and sponsorship that you deserve!!! You've been crushing it for WAYYYY too long to not have sponsors!
Awesome video! Loving the 18" from what I see. I've got a realistic goal for the rifle I've wanted to build since I was 12... even though 6 ARC wasn't around then. 😂
nice shooting ! I like a little longer barrel like the 18in.
thanks for the video!
I have an Odin Works 18in 6 ARC with a rifle +1 gas and love it. Took it out to 1000 last weekend with the intention to double tab but the wind sucked. Hit at 1k but no double!
Odin Works makes some good barrels. I have a 20" DMR profile 6.5 Grendel, and an 18" 3-Gun profile .223 Wylde. Both easily sub MOA with decent to better ammo, haven't tried handloads for either yet. I've been thinking about that barrel you have. Good to hear it's a shooter too.
I helped a friend assemble a twenty inch 6mm Creedmoor with a Proof Research full SS barrel. It was crazy accurate. I shot multiple extended single hole groups. The owner shot a 5 shot vertical string of around 3/4 MOA on his fist 5 shots. He was a happy camper. I vouch for the accuracy of the Proof Research barrels.
Very interesting results with the carbon fiber barrel. I have heard many people talking about groups opening up after about 4 or 5 consecutive rounds. That is why I bought a stainless steel proof barrel instead. I would be interested to see more content on the carbon fiber barrel consistency after heating up, since your barrel seems to be holding groups well
I have read carbon barrels are best in bolt guns only !
I bought the same proof CF 18” when they released for my geiselle rifle and honestly I don’t even touch my MK12 uppers anymore. It’s such a good rifle/ammo combination.
Meh, I’m about the opposite. Don’t shoot the 6 arc as much as I expected when I can still shoot 77gr for nearly 1/2 the cost out to my usual 500-700 yards I can get to without driving 2+ hours for 1000 yards.
@@JGoodZX6R I hand load as well as I have plenty of space here in MT so it breathed new life into the AR for me, which is great because I’ve been bored with it for a couple of years now.
What are you running for a bolt carrier group?
@@EssPhour OdinWorks
Building my first 6mm ARC! It’s budget 18” barreled rifle but I’m pretty excited to get it built and see what it does!
Loved the video man. I am looking to build a 6arc for my son to hunt and introduce distance shooting. To me, this video really shined the light on differences in budget and higher end barrels. Consistency is just so much better on that proof barrel, and at distance, it really stood out to me. I subscribed.
Already had a build in mind similar to that 18" proof gun. I think I'm going to have to make it happen now
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I think I would spend more money for the 18” barrel. Great video.
And depending on weiight pickiness, you don't have to spend Proof money. A few good barrel makers can sell you an 18" 6 ARC for less than a Proof. Especially if your aims are like MMM's -- 1.5 MOA or better. That's a good practical accuracy for anything but benchrest matches. Of course if you have the bucks the Proof is lighter than an all-steel barrel and will certainly deliver on the sub MOA question.
@@seanoneil277 An all-steel Proof barrel can save you $150-200 over the carbon one. It is still significantly more, but a couple hundred less might convince some to bite the bullet.
@@EssPhour Especially when it's very hard to find in-person or online experiences of anything less than great accuracy from a Proof. Everyone loves them.
I'm just the stubborn sort who tries to save a hundred or two while still getting good accuracy. Some day I'll buckle and buy a Proof. Baby steps, though. Only a few months back I popped for a Lilja.
I just left a comment about barrel length on the last video and this one popped up next,, nice! Looking forward to the results.
I've heard from competition shooters that you first gotta fire a few rounds from the new/just cleaned barrel before taking using it to gauge accuracy.
similar logic to people revving up their engines just before the drag race starts i guess.
*17:15** Upvote for double tap at 1000 yards.*
The intro double shot was pretty sick
Great video! Lots of useful information and logical conclusions at the end without sounding like the classic “it depends” cop out. Nice shooting too!
I have watched all of your 6arc videos. Love seeing the performance that you have achieved. So, I have made the plunge. Instead of the 14.5” faxon barrel, I did a 16” barrel with mid-length gas. Super excited to try it out. Went to the range this week and was shooting factory Hornady 103gr and Hornady Black 105gr. All at 100 yds at this point and I am getting about 2-3 MOA. Today, I was seeing 3-5 MOA. I was disappointed to say the least. I was expecting something better than this out of factory ammo out of a 16”. I am open to thoughts and ideas. Thanks!
Great video, interesting and well presented
love the improvised sun-shade you got going on the 14.5, I've had to do the same on more than one occasion
I built a 20” in 6 ARC… can’t wait to take it out at test it long range.
Derek Wilson made a comment of this regard, previously. There is a measurement and calculation necessary for long range. Propellent temperature. Just like Derek said, you can see a huge difference with only a few degrees temperature differential. We sent rounds between -30F to +120F. The ballistic calculations wouldn't seem reasonable, but the difference is massive at range
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I love that you be plugging ally, good dudes
I just built a complete 6ARC Wilson Combat upper with their 18 inch barrel. I use in OSS 762TI can. Just got it zeroed, haven’t got it out to distance yet. Great video and content!
What kind of MOA do you get?
Like the other commenter I am very very interested in knowing your results as far as accuracy and reliability. What MOA are you getting?
During site in I got one inch with Hornady 108 ELD. A few weeks ago I shot it out to 450 and 600 on 12inch plates. Myself and my friend hit both every shot. I’m very pleased with the accuracy. No problems with liability. I’ve only had time to take it out twice, probably only 40 rounds down range so far.
I'd really like to see a video side by side best ar15 cal for long range via price per round, terminal performance, and flight ballistics.
And thanks to your Eotech Exps 3-4 video, I bought a 5x magnifier, and it pairs nicely with SS109 Norma.
At 100yrds. the first 10 warm up 14.5" Factson barrel, not so good 😕. I saw IT do better for you, maybe gettn dirty grooves loosing some twist . Well ...you've shown very well what is possible, outstanding range work as always ❤. Your awesome Buddy
Another amazing video from you man, thank you !!
Great video no stupid BS just shooting and facts and the double taps were pretty cool.
I love my proof barrels. they just work. been shooting my 6arc out over 1k on a 20" 2670fps. the best part about it though is how flat it is between 300 and 700.
The single based powders that work so well in an ARC round dirty a barrel up in 100 rounds. lever Evo and CfE 223 are barrel cleaners after use. Clean and retest and I think you will be surprised
Hi and thank you again for sharing your experience strange to see how useful your content is in relation to something I was trying to explain to my friend basically I had to buy two barrels it prove it I find buying custom made barrels has made huge improvements in accuracy I also properly break in my barrel and do thorough cleaning this has improved my accuracy overall
Much respect Bill W.
Hey Bill, once again really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos and support the channel! Lots of new content in the works so hope you'll stay tuned. Can't say I spend much time on the barrel break in side of things as that's been hit or miss for me through the years. Cleaning though is one that I spend a lot of time doing. I went a long time thinking a dirty barrel would shoot just as well as a clean barrel but through the years I've decided that's not the case. I believe some kind of regular barrel cleaning is important to keep a barrel performing as best as possible. I'm thinking it's very possible the large group out of the 14.5" barrel is a result of how dirty it is..... thinking I should clean her up good and then reshoot to see what happens.
Got a 15" 6ARC and the things is one of my favorite rifles to shoot out to distance. Even with my crappy aim I can keep it at MOA. The barrel on it is a Criterion. Only wish ammo wasn't so expensive for it, but Gorilla is coming out with some 6ARC and looking forward to giving that a try.
This is good analysis. Very helpful.
Great knowledge keep up the great work and I would like to see you do go from 7.5 to 20 inches in 223 or556 at 500 to 1000
Everyone kinda expected the decrease in accuracy in a shorter cheaper barrel, however I would love to see a 18-20” barrel of the same brand to see if it is more accurate or not.
I built a lightweight 16" 6.5 Grendel with a Faxon barrel. It shoots a 1.6" 6 shot group at 100 with steel wolf pretty damn good but like most Faxon it's way over gassed. I have a superlative block on full vent with a Flow 762 Ti and it's on the cusp of too much gas but still stays somewhat flat. I have an urge to make a 14.5 6arc but I already am somewhat in on the Grendel. I feel like the Grendel to the 6 arc is the similar 308 to 6.5 Creedmore debate.
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Your vids hands down are my absolute favorite. You definitely know your stuff!
Nice. Thank you for being responsive after your 14" 6arc vs 5.56 video to getting a more appropriate DMR barrel and giving us data (fps, mrad drop, spread). Thank you also for your other observations. I request further you compare also with Faxon 16" or 18" and let us know the profile. You are not alone in finding that that ammo Hornaday black 105gr BTHP is quite variable. I have been frustrated by that too. Great vid.
I’d recommend picking up an EABCO 24” to try out. I’ve had good luck with mine and and it’d be interesting to see the speeds for a longer barrel without too much cost.
if someone doesn't think the 14.5 is capable they clearly haven't watched your other videos on it. Would love to see more videos with the 108 ELDM's. Disappointed with the faxon group, quality of barrel does matter but still. Definitely pushing the boundary of the 14.5 at 1k but still great to see it land hits. Great video as always.
Great video - I built with a Wilson 18 inch - yet to see how it shoots. It should be fun.
Let me know what you think. I built an 18” Wilson also using all Wilson Combat parts and I’m less than impressed with the accuracy. The 20” Premium Ballistic Advantage rifle I built is far superior…
will do - i'll make a point to reply to this thread.@@luckymanham302
Which Wilson? Wilson Combat, or Wilson Arms?
@@refuztosay9454 thanks man! You are talking Wilson Combat right?
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Thanks for the great content. I'm looking forward to when SOLGW launches the 6mm max for comparison videos.
What a bahller move to take negative comments, and turn it into an awesome long range shooting video! Great job!😂
Man I’m just out here trying to keep the people entertained! Comments both positive and negative are how I stay in tune with the audience. Hope this one delivered on your expectations, if so hope you’ll stay tuned for more!
I recently was considering getting a 6mm arc rifle. Then I saw the price of the ammo, took my consideration away quick. I already have a couple of expensive rounds I use, don't need to add another.
Now i want to swap my Proof Stainless barrel for a carbon barrel.... but yeah 18" is the sweet spot for 6 arc.
Yeah I was like, 14.5? Seems like a 18-22" kind of cartridge to me. I don't think you'd do any worse with Grendel at 1000 outta the 14.5
Personally I've noticed the carbon barrel has a decent bit of POI shift when it starts heating up
22ARC vs 6MM still think 6mm is better longer and wind distances now if the price is different 22ARc might be better.
Actually they both price similar so if you have 6mm ARC stick to it.
Great vid man, super informative!
Nice video. The real question is - where you can buy a Proof carbon fiber barrel for $600??
That was awesome. I like the lighter weight to capability ratio of the 14.5" upper but group size was rough. Got me thinking i might need something better than my Type A barrel. Its not exactly a thick barrel but its not the Gunner profile from Faxon either.
I have the 18in ballistic advantage rifle length gas system on mine.
Always enjoy your videos
What a well done video, made me miss eastern Montana too. Keep it up and it would be cool to see a comparison between your 18" arc and that new 22 arc down the road. Subscribed.
First off really appreciate you taking the time watch and support the channel! Lots of fresh content in the works so stay tuned. Great point on a 6arc vs 22arc comparison, that’s one that hasn’t even crossed my mind yet. Given the interest in 22arc I bet you’re not the only one asking how the 2 calibers compare side by side
Nice! Would do a 16" or 14.5" pin and weld. Suppressors are a must anymore
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Thanks for stopping by! If you’re into long range shooting I think you’re going to enjoy my content!
Interesting to see the sonic barrier come into play
I built a 6.5 Grendel using a 20-inch Faxon barrel. This confirms my findings with the 6.5 Grendel - I wish I had gotten the Proof Research barrel. The Faxon is a good barrel - I don't doubt that. The Proof Research barrels are definitely BETTER, though. I may do a 6mm ARC one day, and it will likely be a Proof Research barrel.
First time watching your videos. Great content
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to stop by and check out my content. Hope you’ll stick around!
Break in
As it was explained to me
It’s kind of conditioning the metal
It’s flashed over with extremely high heat
And pressure
Although we never see exactly what happens
Inside
So maybe the break in is not so much about
Cleaning it but the time in between cleaning
That allows barrel to cool down ?
I used to build race engines
We all did heat cycling on a exact schedule
To condition the engine block
Part of the schedule was overnight cooling
All I know is people with a lot more experience
Taught me about it
My engines stayed together longer than others
I am not a engineer although
They are in my family history
My dad worked on the first rocket engine
That went to the moon as engineer
Nicer made barrels might not need as
Much break in
But I want to shoot tiny groups always
So I don’t know if it’s totally necessary
But I am not willing to find out so I do break in
Again thank you so much for your time and
Experience
Great video, great information. Subscribed.
Really awesome to hear you enjoyed the video and I really appreciate the support! Lots of fresh content coming so hope you’ll stay tuned and don’t forget to share with your buddies!
You gotta build out one of those 12.5" from Centurion! I love mine.
Great video series.
In my area my 20” Proof with the H 108ELD is getting 2650-2670 and 9.9 mils of drop at 1000. Interesting to see the drop difference from my rifle to yours.
Might be shooting conditions -- elevation, humidity -- are a factor.
My 20" faxon 6mm ARC does great at 750. 7/10 on a 10" plate. Hand loading barnes 112 matchburner at ~2620
Copper fouling can kill accuracy. The first time I really saw it was when I was shooting 100yds with a handgun canik Tp9sfx. I was learning from a sponsored pro shooter and he wanted to see how good my basic mechanics were. Both of us struggled and it was throwing rounds different directions. He just thought it was from a cheap handgun while he shot his 8k Infiniti However the next time I came with a clean gun and we both had terrific success at the 100yd. Same ammo. Barrels also have a hard time switching between ammo with different types of metal. If you go from lead to copper will throw off accuracy the worst
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Awesome video!
Nice video. thank you for the content
I hope you do a video on the Griffin Blast shield. It would be great to know how well they reduce muzzle flash signature at night!
Sweet sunshade
Truly enjoy your videos and what you are doing!
Any chance you might consider doing a video on 6mm ARC "point blank zero"/battle zero?
Great videos. I'd love to see a comparison of all the hornady factory ammo offerings. I recently just put a 22" 6 arc together and i noticed that even though 103eld 105 bthp and 108 eld all put about the same 3/4 moa group on paper only one was consistent past 1,100 yds but they were all consistent at 1k yds 😂 its been throwing me for a loop . Really curious how the 80grainers will do at distance
Second or third time watching this video. Your information and skill are fantastic. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I'd like to hear more about your history / experience. But... What are you going to do about your "channel" name when you finally grow out of that mullet!?!?
To hit or not hit steel target is a rough indicator. Better still are groups comparisons. Paper targets of appropriate size is the way to go!
Thank you for doing the comparison. I am a big fan of 6mm ARC. I personally think it will be the U.S. military’s new service cartridge. Your video was extremely informative. I built a 6mm ARC gas gun with a Wilson Combat 18” mid gas link barrel. I am a huge fan of Proof carbon fiber wrapped barrels. I built a bolt gun with a Zermatt action and a Proof Research 22” pre-fit carbon fiber wrapped barrel. I am not a reloader. I am also a huge fan of Hornady ammunition and your video again was very informative. Again, thank you for the video. I always find your videos informative and educational.
The only 6arc barrels I use are Noveske. I just wish Noveske would make a CHF chrome line barrel in 6arc. I have the 18" and 12.5" with headspaced bolts and both are half to three quarter moa at 100 yds.. Noveske barrels are expensive but worth the money.
Noticed the same with my 18” BA barrel. One lot of the Hornady 105 was stacking rounds, so ordered 500 rounds of it and this lot is ~1.7 MOA 😐. Although velocity was “only” about 25 fps slower (2575 vs 2600)
Love how thorough you are with testing with different factors. I would have like to see the 14.5” as a proof or Noveske barrel to see if the grouping at 100 yards improved and to see if the 1035yard shots improved. Also would like to know how you get all these guns for testing?
14.5 Type A running a nightforce 2-20 and a leupold deltapoint pro up top. 6 arc is a performer 700 and in for 14.5 i dont have access to anything further so I am very happy with it being shorter.
Sounds like a perfect setup for the distance you’ve got access too! Why run a long barrel is something shorter and handier will do the trick??
The issue with this comparison is that you're using a silencer. The second is that it's 2 different silencers. Pretty sure a silencer adds some velocity.