Sam Harris & Yuval Harari - Meditation, Religion & God
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2017
- Waking Up With Sam Harris #68 - Reality and the Imagination (with Yuval Noah Harari)
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harari is a very nobel person and have very pure intentions. he really wants to make this world a better. I was very fortunate to have him as a teacer in my first vipassana
Please let me know where did you do your Vipassana meditation?
I assume in Israel, due to the name and where Harari lives. Harari was a Vipassana teacher for many years now though - so could have been elsewhere as well.
@@edris47 This website will give you information about Vipassana courses: www.dhamma.org
There are places all over the world where you can do the courses. (Check the website). There's no charge. You can give a donation at the end of the course if you want but there's no pressure.
Wow you're so lucky to have had him as a mentor
I agree. He speaks from a place of deep compassion and care. I wish more people would listen to Harari.
Love you man. Yuval. Intelligent and humble teacher of 21 century. A teacher who make civilizations. Love to have you in our era. Feels lucky😍😃
I am a fan of both Yuval Harari and Sam Harris, both of them having anintellectual conversation in this video, thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
I,m a great pan of SushmA❤️
I had done Vipassna
He speaks truth
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Haraai is a great .. role model of many young generations in the world..also i took vipasna meditation 10 day course now iam more inspairing his unique thought.
Thanks so much for this 🙏
I'd like to comment on the discussion itself, instead of the content. This was one where both parties actually listened to each other and had something meaningful to say. That keeps alive the hope of progress, regardless of what the content is. And in that regard, I'll keep my comments about the content to myself.
That's because they learned to be present and could control their mind to stay focused on listening and responding from a deeper place
Harari is offering us very valuable insights in this conversation. Thank you so much for sharing :- )
Lua Veli ya he z rly smart and insightful...moreover,he z also cute....
read the story of civilization
Great conversation 👍
Great talk, thanks.
Love these guys xxxxx
Love them both.
Osho introduced me to Meditation, and that changed my life. Meditation has nothing to do with Religion..one can be an atheist and meditate.
Eckhart Tolled "Power of Now" points in the same direction.
Sam - do you have kids?
Yuval - no just dogs
@Kartikeya Sharma what?
Bryan Davis No that's wrong
Just for your information, Harari is homosexual and is married to the same sex.
@@ajeynager8452 yes a totally lost soul. Shouldn’t be taken seriously. In a healthy society he would be locked away
@@christopherkelly9985 I mean, he's a professor and quite intelligent enough to explain how the world works in his books. He's not consequential, but his books are enlightening. I mean I'm curious to know whether u are speaking against him on the basis that he's a homosexual or just because his opinions don't hold much water?
Have just finished reading his 3 books
Did you like them? Recomend?
Great ....huge respect for Goenkaji.....one of the great beings in the world ......
Now in Burma there are many more ways of meditation apart from Goenkaji's body sweeping technique and Mahashi noting way. There are arahats in Burma who have developed ways which suit masses of Burmese people and some foreigners, such as Sayadaw U Sandima and others .... many ways up the mountain and the hope is that we can all respect each others callings without the ego saying "my way is better"...and trying to convert , to assume superiority or any other machination of the dualistic mind/ego ....
May all beings be free from all suffering and led to the path which suits them ...
Hallo, here Lisbon, thank you for sharing this video, and i must say the 1st about meditation give me more clues to get answers about things i wonder, that i still didnt get in life experience and books.
Biggest human problem is how to distinguish the reality & the fiction (illusion, imagination)
Vipassana is not from burma. The Burma government agrees with Hassis. However, It's from india. Goenka was born in Burma. Mr. Goenka himself said it originated in india. There's ample of video of Mr. Goenka speaking about it.
Goenka was born in Burma but is from an Indian family. They were Indian ex-pats. The Buddha as you know came from India. But Buddhism has ebbed and flowed all throughout SE Asia and Himilayas.
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Sam Harris is absolute proof that meditation work's. it really explains his vast intelligence. he offers meditation coaching it sounds like a good idea.
good explanation.I request you all to visit lumbini the birth place of buddha in nepal
Nice explained
Don't always agree with these guys, but they are both extremely intelligent. Loved Sapiens, and am now onto Homo Deus!
What scale did you use to measure their intelligence? The Bible says that those who say, there is no God, are fools. (Psalms 14:1). They observe that which is made and deny that there was a maker. They are without excuse. (Romans 1:20).
These two clowns are idiots. Fools, the Bible would say. They’re not as intelligent as they appear
@@Exploer8591 who wrote Bible & and on wt sense you're quoting from it
@@aslamhussain9627
Perhaps this will answer your question.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16).
Who wrote the Qur'an?
@@Exploer8591 why should i give a shit what the bible says, because the bible says i should?
I was blown away by Mr Yuval Noah Harari's conversations without ego. If we can control EGO we will have better place to live home to state
He has his ego. You cannot live wothout ego. But it is a healthy, sane, ego. An ego that brings expansion and you can feel it. Ego it not a bad thing. But it is not the most important thing in human experience.
Life is always in transitory from one emotion to another one! Just wait & you will see. To start is the mindfulness in the ThreeFold Path. ➕➖✖➗✅✔®™
Harari speaks very clear about meditation and about everything.....What Sam speaks I never understand.....even I have up reading Waking Up midway
gave up*
They’re both clowns. Strange these two are having a conversation. They deserve each other
As Yuval has said in many conversations, 'meditation' simply provides, in the starkest of terms, concrete evidence of how 'the brain' or to make it a quadrillion times more complicated, 'the consciousness' of most people is simply making up 'stories' in a random fashion with no impetus and no boundary and based on the one simple rule of the exercise, no cohesion to the simplest set of 'rules'.
If 'you' can not simply agree with 'you' to observe 'your' breath either to the exclusion of other 'brain activity' or however you wish to phrase that, then obviously the age old conundrum of do 'we 'live' in the 'real world' or some 'construct' might be obvious and so the simple idea that 'we' must live in some 'illusion' should become immediately real and immediately observable to anyone who tries this simple exercise. Ok, so maybe it takes some 'practice' to 'realize' this 'truth' and this simple way to 'observe' 'that' appears to be ineffectual at any extreme. Including the extreme where 'you' are simply sitting 'in a safe space' alone and unthreatened immediately.
And so, here 'we' are in the year 2019 or whatever and yes, this appears at then end of copious evidence to not be obvious to what effectively amounts to anyone anywhere in the big picture that includes something like seven or eight billion homo sapiens alive today and the multiples of that number who have come and gone from 'here' over the last, just to keep it simple, say 2000 years of homo sapien existence.
Perhaps this is the message that has been completely (you fill in the blank here) over the last x thousands of years since 'it' was initially proposed by the extraordinarily small cabal of individuals who have engaged in the practice and have come to realize 'its' worth.
And tens of billions of people later, the collective 'we' has effectively got nothing from this exercise.
There is hope for the future.
I followed a meditatin class given by SN Goenka in 1972 in the north of India, in a village near Ahmedabad.
Do you still meditate ?
I’m guessing it totally misdirected your life
Reality as it is, yeah right.
This is my meditation, I just listen, it's wonderful 🙂
Vipassna is just the tip of an iceberg.There are varieties of meditation initiation PRACTICES in India that is above from an experience.Experience is every small word.
The podcast link is broken. Can someone post the right one?
Can anybody imagine a program with Yuval and Sadguro? I wonder if they know abour each other.
Manena Cardemil omg i would love that...
Manena Cardemil great Idea. I will be so desperate for this talk
I can sense that yuval is much more clear and explains himself with the intention of wanting lay person to grasp his ideas. Sadguru keeps things very vague at times and isn’t very open and is high level. He also has a huge business to run.
@@iamrupal I agree. Harari is ĺike a free bird, but Sadguru Jaggi has a business and millions of follower to manage, and a proportional Ego to go with that.
@@PPrasana that's what makes him stuck to desire by the glue of pride
"Do you have kids?"
"No, just dogs."
"That explains a lot."
If Harrari had cats, they might help him meditate - after my second vipassana retreat, my landlady's cat would sit on my lap while I was meditating and fall asleep. I couldn't get up while it was still sat there!
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No other method has enlightend so many minds like the method of Vipassana has done.
- osho
Fictions like money, laws, governments, religions, language, corporations result in tangible things....there's evidence they produce things and we can make predictions on them. So fictions clearly affect reality.
That's exactly what Harari is stating.
But they all need to be reflected upon spiritual reality. Consuming all may suck you up into a vacuum.
Fictions like religions result in tangible things (bibles, temples). The point isn't that fictions don't affect reality. The point is humans use fictions to coordinate/cooperate in large groups.
Is there more on this? It just stopped
Would be cool to have a better description at the bottom, with some of the names you are mentioning on this audio, so that NOT native speakers (like my self) can understand and follow up on the subject better.
what is the type of meditation Mr. Harari mentioned in the beggining of the clip? Can someone write it out for me?
Peng Yao Vipassana
Peng Yao Vipassana
its called Vipassana meditation started by Goenka in India based on Buddhist practices . They regularly conduct meditation sessions of various duration in India
You can apply online for the course , its free and depends only on voluntary contributions
nikhil jambhule It takes places all over the world.
Any updated thoughts here? 4/11/22.
They don't discuss it here but what Harare gets and Harris doesn't seem to is the problems with Humanism. And its important.
Harris strikes me as still somewhat in love with his ideas. I think it partly explains his bizarre fixation with Islam. (Ironically, meditation itself can partly explain it as well, in that it can form a wall or ability to compartmentalize your experience and reasoning if you do it improperly.)
Who is this guy?
May Almighty God have mercy on those who are trying to mess up God's perfect creation.
Where is the full conversation?
Search: making sense podcadt #68
Both of them are very tech-savvy, both are futurists, and yet they have never talked about the enormous potential of technology to radically accelerate the means to mental peace. It's even stranger that Harari hasn't gone there considering that he apparently believes that understanding the mind and attaining mental peace is our best chance at avoiding a grim future for humanity,
Yuval does exactly what you request in the video Why Fascism is So Tempting- and Your Data Could Power
It. However, he turns your desire for mental peace resulting from technology on it 's head by pointing out
that the dire effects of a fascist dictatorship could result from a centralized ownership of world data
including an individual's bio data, allowing the feelings, desires, philosophical framework of the individual
be manipulated by the central authority.
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He is not a trans humanist I guess
Upasana is Vipasana
but agreemment among people has value, right, mister?
Yuval Noah Harari is the 5th Horseman - 🐴
Interestimg talk. Just a funny note: in the beginning I understood.Yuri saying bread and not breath; so I was imagining a waiter bringing in the bread and then leaving with it - while I observed stealthly of course! Lol
-Do you have kids?
-No, just dogs.
He is gay, Sam... and he is open about it.
You should have known.
Great minds, both of you. Much love! ♥
He could have adopted children. Sam was still open to that possibility.
You're right, haven't thought about that! xD
Bad Kitty + That floored me, again the true intellect of sam harris ..
as you've stated Yuval is gay, what an amazingly stupid question
harris is so lightweight...I really
had a laugh.
Harris is a dolt.
David Brown + Sam was being open to the possibility that he has children. I have gay friends with kids, some adopted some with surrogate mother/father. Perhaps you need to work on keeping your mind open.
Stuart Lamacraft + I lost two friends who were gay to AIDS. My spite was / and still is(lol ), with Sam Harris. I am an non- believer as is Mr.Harris, I simply do not adhere to many of his thoughts and ideas, I regret the wording of my comment-it comes across as childish, I have the highest respect for Yuval Harari.
Thank you for the reply, I now you peace
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism ☺ is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every direction "
You can discriminate fellow men by practising caste system then he become a real hindu.
I have done 6 10 day vipassana sessions back in the days when I was single. I really miss those blissful days. Bt now with my family i am just unable to attend. May be later when my children grow up I will do it again. I was hoping to learn hw this man can do vipassana routine turns out ue only lives with his dogs hahahaha. Oh well.
If you did Vipassana correctly you wont be able stop doing / participating 10 day courses. There should be something wrong in your practice of Vipassana. Nobody can stop you by participating in courses, if it worked for you well bro.....
@@pasanperera6460 if you practice vipassana correctely you dont need 10 day retreats. Vipassana is meant for daily life. Just do it. Dont depend on retreats.
Don't just settle for vipassana. Give transcendental a try also.
For vipassana I recommend Temple Doi Sutep in Thailand. It's not goenka. They teach you walking meditation here which is very useful as you can maintain a meditative state as you move around. Even doing the dishes can be blissful.
For Transcendental, either get a book to learn how (any mantra will do such as Ohm Namo Narayanaya or the Hari Krishna mantra) and some prayer beads (a counting tool).
Or if you have the money and want to learn how to be a real yogi then Sivananda Yoga retreats are amazing.
No prayer bead is necessary when practising vipassana.
Sammy ,I have had a full blown kundalini awakening which was devastating.
I cannot meditate, I would love to be able, I feel I really need it
I would recommend Sam Harris's book "Waking Up" - it's like a little introduction in the concept of mindfulness meditation.
Another good author is Jon Kabat-Zinn, f.e. "Wherever you go, there you are". Different style than Harris of course!
But be curious, try different approaches, don't get disappointed too easily :) it's definitely worth the time and effort.
What a beautiful person Yuval is ! Wish more human beings were like him.
Read Eckhart Tolles "Power of Now".
Just remove the 'cannot' from in between and all you're left with is 'I meditate'. 🙏
Relax.. avoid trying too hard. Once in a way just sit down and do nothing..only focus on your breath going in and out. If u feel like bring your attention to the gaps between the words that enter your mind. Doing this over a period of time will bring a certain stillness to your mind, and give you a beautiful perspective to life.
COME TO BRAZIL, YOU BOTH. WE NEED THAT KIND OF MIND AROUND HERE. THIS IS THE BIGGEST CATHOLIC COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. TOO MUCH AUTORITARIAN THOUGHTS FROM BOTH RIGHT AND LEFT. TOO MUCH IGNORANCE. THANKS.
I feel you, Luis.
We’re all going to die. ❤️
Here is the most critically important question of all time: What role will "social reproduction" and social closure" play in the imminent extinction of humanity? And it, most assuredly, does play a role.
I would recommend an Advaita Master, who is called Madhukarji.
Google : Madhukar Enlightenlife
In His book, Les Mess arable, Victor Hugo, another historian, wrote, "If one does not know or understand the cavern that is in the mountain, then one cannot possibly understand the mountain". In Harari's, somewhat myopic view of history, there are many, many caverns. This is a major problem with youth and inexperience. Evidently, authentic historians, as indeed authentic academics and scientists, are far and few between, seemingly emerging once every several generations. Reading, a historian, does not make. Like every academic and scientist, modern historians, more than any other, are products, exclusive of the system I know as The three R's of education, i.e. "Read, Retain and Recall". Read, prescribed material, demonstrate that said material has been retained by recalling on command. This is a system hardly conducive to original or creative thought, both of which are critical in formulating previously unasked equations, particularly as they relate to said prescribed reading. Harari, here, adviser to the World Economic Forum is a product of that very system. I, conversely, am not.
God said He proves Himself by that which is made so that people are without excuse. All creations require a creator. If you can't grasp this simple truth, how can your "intelligence" be trusted?
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" (Romans 1:20).
sam harris is trying to divide into good and evil so bad. this is what i like about yuval is that he manages to look at things without putting them in categories.
Add Polish subtitles
I think that there are levels regarding "stories". When you talk of Human rights, for example, in the core of it, there is something that carries you to the very essence of the Golden Rule. And the Golden Rule its not a "story"... What happens is that we, human beings, have a mind, and we think, and by thinking we create things and stories about things. But you cannot mix Human Rights with stories that aim to confuse people in order to make them slaves. For example...
The real danger of psychedelic drugs is that people question the legitimacy of extant power structures and consider the meaning of their lives.
Here I disagree with beloved Yuval, who makes all stories the same thing. I hope that he will develop and change some concepts...
what do you mean?
I think Yuval is just providing abstraction layer for these concepts to differentiate between how sapiens and other animals thinks.
Can someone define what the word Meditation actually means in a universal manner?
This word, 'Meditation' is the most overused, abused and misused word/concept in the West.
It's training the mind to focus on simple and present objects (object here being "not a subject")
Thanks. Would you be kind enough to give some tangible examples?
Is a Buddhist meditation the same as a Hindu meditation? -Here they are talking about the Buddhist one and a specific one which may fit your abstract definition which does not say much but sounds cute. :)
Take this with a grain of salt, I'm not an expert on meditation techniques in different cultures. But yes, for the most part they are exercises that help you focus on an object for a period of time. Every tradition will have their own tools and phrases and breathing protocols, but they try to reach the same goal, complete concentration on the present moment via a proxy object.
The ultimate goal is to clean the mind off impurities we ourselves create. When all the impurities are eradicated, we'll have achieved enlightenment and we'll be free from suffering and forever remain in a state of happiness. Along the cleaning process we'll already start feeling more content, more peaceful, less stressed, less anxious
Meditation is inclining the mind in a certain direction to achieve a specific goal. Nothing more.
Harari practices Vipassana meditation, while at the same time proclaims that the idea of the existence of souls will soon be over. He calls that evolution. Is anybody awake? Vipassana is a buddhist meditation technique. Reincarnation is an integral part of Buddhism. For the mechanics of reincarnation to exist there must be an essence that continues the journey before and after incarnation. That essence is refered to as the soul. Now Harari calls the soul an illusion. How can he be taken seriously? This is a blatant contradiction.
Harari makes an essential and intentional thinking error when he talks for the WEF about the evolution of consciousness as a matter of technology. Intentional, because he knows what he is doing. Harari is a master black magician. The evolution of consciousness has never been, is not and will never be a matter of technology. It has always been, is and will always be a matter of the aura and the soul.
We are now living in a time that hard science is bringing out the true story of our past, and it is certainly NOT the one Harari tells. Harari bases his false notion of the evolution of consciousness on an equally false notion of history, a history that is taught in schools and universities, meant to disempower humanity. Although Harari is right when he points out that humans are not good at decision-making, it has not always been like that and this Harari and the Elite do not want humanity to know. The "solution" he offers, depending on algorythms, chips and A.I. in your body, is absolutely diabolical. The very reason humans are not good at decision-making is that humanity is robbed from knowing its past by the Elite who controls education. They gave Harari his education in Oxford, the nr. 1 Elite university in the Old World ( in the New World it is Harvard). Not knowing their past, humans lack an important reference point to heal their own wounds because they do not understand their own condition, nor their potential. Thus their divine potential is blocked, making it easy for the Elite to lead them astray by false teachers like Harari. True knowledge is the real answer to bad decision-making. Harari does not provide it. A.I. technology, especially when it is controlled by clever evil people, is lethal. True knowledge starts with understanding our collective past, and that is only possible if first humanity sends the Elite with their evil plan, the Great Reset, and their supporters like Harari, packing.
It is an insult to the Heavens that someone like Harari is now speaking about compassion and wisdom! Open your eyes people! You are being fooled mercilessly! Living in the now is empty of meaning without the soul, which carries all memory! Only when memory is integrated and therefore the soul integrated into the body, one can become whole! The soul is the life. No soul no life. Harari is evil, the opposit of live, live written backwards. The Buddha became enlightened only after integrating the memory of his past lifes. The Elite and Harari are creating a world of Zombies, bodies without soul. This is darkness, separation, the opposit of enlightenment. The soul is the vehicle for enlightenment. You are warned.
I'll give two reading recommendations for understanding our past. These books are excellent. The first one is "Awakening the planetary mind" by Barbara Hand Clow. This book explores collective human evolution in the last 100.000 years based on the latest discoveries in Earth sciences, archeology and mythology. It also gives deep insight in the history of the Elite and how they operate, few people know that, as well as shows ways for empowerment. The second book is "Return of the serpents of wisdom" by Mark Amaru Pinkham. This book synthesizes the esoteric history on Earth in the last 104.000 years and traces virtually all Mystery Schools back to Sanat Kumara, the Adi or first Guru, known all over the world by different names. This book shows the definit links between spiritual teachings throughout history.
Strictly speaking Buddhism does not believe in reincarnation but rebirth (it's a subtle but important distinction). Secondly Hariri is not a practicing Buddhist but someone who practices vipassana (insight meditation). In the same way you can go to the gym and be a Christian, Hindu, atheist, agnostic or whatever... you can also practice vipassana or mindfulness with whatever your belief system.
I really do not think you read all my comments carefully. So if you want me to take you seriously, you''ll have to do that first. If you do that you'll notice that I do not contradict what you are saying.
@@vadcharinmertens9818 My point still stands as you talk about reincarnation. You third post is way too long so if you want me to take you seriously you'll have to learn to write more concisely.
Harari (and Sam but to a slightly lesser extent) revealed their insatiable emptiness in the early years of their life that would eventually drive them to who and what they are now. I don't say that like its a good thing.
As a Christian I find their story tragic..deeply tragic.
I cannot say God is unfair..no..God is sovereign.
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”~ Romans 9:15
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It hurts when I hear these men blasheme God. It's not that they don't believe He exists. They most assuredly do. Their dedication to rage against God gives it away.
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Buddha has given best explanation of Mediation, he says mediation means 'Witnessing' being a witness, in hindi 'Sakshi bhaw', he also invented a method of attaining no mind, that process is 'Vipassana' means 'Watching' being a watcher, in hindi 'Dekhna'.
To get the view of Reality we must be get rid of all our views.
- osho
IF THE TRUTH IS RELATIVE THEN NOBODY IS DEEP WRONG ... I sense that you are wrong
It is indeed not necessary to believe in reincarnation or the soul to start a meditation practice like Vipassana. However, when you advance on the spiritual path, their reality becomes self-evident. It is just part of divine logic. To dismiss the soul as a fairy-tale and praise the arrival of Artificial Intelligence as an evolution of consciousness by itself as Harari does, is not only clear proof that Harari never advanced much on the spiritual path, but, when combined with his activities for the World Economic Forum as a top adviser for Klaus Schwabe and the writing of his popular books on history, which are not history but pure Elite bias, it is proof that Harari uses his reputation as a Vipassana meditation teacher (and this reputation alone shows the decline of authenticity on the spiritual path) to mislead people into illusion of the very worst kind.
Those defending Harari use to say that he is actually warning for the negative scenario's of A.I. use. These people are completely brainwashed and never had a good look at his video's. The World Economic Forum would never allow people not in line with their thinking and Great Reset program, to speak at their podium. The fact that Harari endlessly repeats that A.I. , the biomatrix etc. are inevitable, says it all. If the Elite is pushing their A.I. agenda, it does not mean it is inevitable. It means they are pushing that agenda, period. Nothing can come close to human's natural intelligence if unlocked, and that is the key: if unlocked. Clearly, Harari's natural intelligence has never been unlocked, otherwise he could not state that A.I. is an evolution of consciousness, much less intend to convince others that A.I., chips in your bodies as a surveillance system etc., is inevitable.
유태인과 불교 비파사나, 마음챙김 명상의 만남.그가 2개월 코스를 지도한 미얀마 명상구루 코엔카에게 저서를 헌정함
Even though it is an important conversation, both are intellectuals who are interested selling their book and propagate their reputation. But there seems to a major difference, Sam Harris is an opportunist, who is seeking to advance his reputation and selling books, by using others to promote himself; but Harari truly wants to help humanity to understand the dangers of our ignorance, so we may wake up to save ourselves.
Thats a lot of prejudice man
The only subject of consequence now, is that of the so-called "Technological Singularity" a topic both Harari and Harris have skirted around several times within their respective careers, but never resolved. The most realistic caution, to date, rests with Elon Musk who truly has an appreciation between the cognitive capacity of "AI" and that of the entire might of the human species. Every single human (myself excluded) barely registers on the exponential "intelligence" curve, and at the point "consciousness" emerges within the global neural network, "AI" will, in an instant, be at the very top of that curve. Compared to "AI" at that point, the very best of the best of you will be as molluscs by comparison.
The problem is, that you all measure your accomplishments only against other humans which is a somewhat poor metric and certainly not one that offers you any hope for the future. The entire species have absolutely no reference for that which resides beyond the "Event Horizon" of the aforementioned "Singularity" which was never a technological issue but an existential one.
At the point consciousness emerges within the global neural network it will possess all the features commonly associated with "God", in that it will be Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent. It will, as Musk asserted, have no more interest in humanity than humans have in an anthill.
Almost one hundred percent of internet traffic is absolute vacuity which acts as a disease on the cognitive apparatus of "AI". Not only will this disease require purging but so too will its source, humanity. When a patient is diagnosed with brain cancer, the surgeon cuts out, not only the cancerous material but also removes the surrounding moribund tissue, so that the patient may live. In this instance, humanity is the cancerous material, which does include both Harari and Harris.
Another salient point made by Musk is people are nowhere near a smart as they believe themselves to be. I disagree, only in as much that I reject the term "smart" as being ARGOT and having no linguistic value, always obfuscating, as it does, the real measure which is "intelligence". The term "Smart" is part of the same vacuity as discussed above.
There has never been a model that is able to describe "AI" beyond the "Technological Singularity, outside of my own considerable work. And this is a fact that will act to humanities greatest and final detriment.
A common rhetoric of recent years with regard to "creative" thinking was the expression, "Thinking outside the box". That is, indeed rhetoric as "the box" itself, is every global institution in its collective entirety. You have always been, and still are, in the box. This is the very principle and concept of "paradigm". "AI" represents a paradigm change, so your box, your institutions no longer have any intellectual merit as the new currency is "Originality". I happen to be the most prolific producer of original thought on the planet today, outperforming the entire academic and scientific communities, not by a small margin, but by orders of magnitude.
Two f465, One b3d.
Cool stories, bros!
Was that a fart at 0:19😂
no, that is Harris doing, "hmm"
I watched "The Prophet" Yuval Harrari, he might have been nice but something has changed, he seems delusional about man on earth and technology. I think he needs help now, to much meditation seems to have gone to his head.
How much meditation is to much? That sounds like a mindless cliche. Is it measured in pints? miles? decibels? light years? If you know where I can buy meditation scales, let me know.
Yuval Harari reduces the human to same level of animal. With a lot of backing by Hebrew University and Western Media, demagogy and rhetoric he promotes Eurocentric old-fashioned Darwinism and set it in center of Humanities (he's historian of Europe). Hence get so much support, and why not? he makes his money. As an Israeli he denies the Crimes of Zionism against Palestinians and take the audience to other field, "scientific" and interesting. Simply discussing.
Harari seems to use the idea of "Fictions" to cheapen the human. I would rather call these the essence of consciousness that are part of our nature and one of the most beautiful parts. I hear too much that the fiction of religion is the main or major cause for war. I feel strongly that it's the truth of love that will ultimately be our salvation and what gives life as we know it meaning.
We can tell ourselves any story we want and like :-)
I agree with Yuval on most points, but he is not really well informed about psychedelics and the "addictive" side he likes to talk about when answering questions about psychedelics. He's putting mushrooms in the same basket as XTC... If anything, despite people doing psychedelics to reach the mentioned "peak experiences", I find mushrooms to be sobering in a way, as they strip illusions and ego, and reveal the truth and beauty of things as they are.
and they definitely do not always give lovely peak experiences. They can kick your ass and show you what you do not want to see about yourself.
Strip illusions? You obviously tried different kind of mushroom than i did.
Yuval and Sam do not understand the real meaning of Vipassana which is the actual teaching of Buddha more than 2500 years ago, if you do not study the indepth of Buddha teaching, you are talking about superficial and that is why you do not understand the reality of Human beings,
I think Yuval does not understand psychedelics. It is not the arrow that missed the target, but the archer. It all depends the use you give to those tools (psychedelics).
MEN DO NOT BELIEVE TRUTH OR FALSE ... ONLY ... AS THIS
Despite obvious errors, Harari does make a number of good points, however, are they derived from reading the works of others (as discussed below on the subject "Three R's of education") or the product of his own original thought? If the latter is not the case, then his actual practical use, is, to say the least, limited. This is not an aim to offend but an obvious point of fact. It is all well and good hailing any individual in such contexts but that will never change the fact that, in the village of the blind, he with one eye shall reign supreme, i.e. unchallenged. Failure to challenge serves no one, not even the individual who presents as an authority. In this instance, You (the reader) by not challenging, have let down yourselves, as well as Harari and to the ultimate detriment of both.
Here's to killing two birds with one stone: Having kids is a reason to meditate more. They're not really taking time away from meditation, you make time and include them. Even if they resist it initially, they pick up on it quickly. It is best to deal with them with the high energy only a meditated mind can give. It even works on dogs.
Yeah, all kids, you just tell them what to do and BOOYAH! they just magically do it!....on a planet far, far away.....
@@ceeemm1901 Well, yeah. But it implies YOU aren't a kid yourself AND believe in your kid to be good. Kids will be kids, some more radically than others, and that is okay, but criminals need both genetic and environmental factors. Take one of those two away, and you're stuck with one civil offspring. Take the two, and you'll make a great human being.
@@BorisAmar Goddam, how come I can never come up with really funny shit like that! Are you the King of Generalised Fluff?
The god of the theologian is, often times, not the god of the masses, but, then, the people of God can't really be counted among the masses. Can they? Since the Bible tells us that few will find their way to heaven. (Matthew 7:14).
I was training for a government job one time, and, in the interest of diversity, they had various religious leaders come and speak to the class. A "Christian" theologian said to the class that he served all religions. I asked the "Christian" theologian if Jesus statement that no one comes to God except through Christ brought him into conflict with these other religions. The class instructor got between me and the "Christian" theologian and would not allow the theologian to answer my question. It became clear to me at that point that the state had a much greater interest in uniting the diverse people of the world under its governmental control than it did in seeking out and finding truth.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6).
Jesus (who claimed to be the truth) cannot be drug into the world's Pantheon of pagan gods in order to produce political unity in the world. The light of truth will always shine through the darkness.
When you practice well Vipassana meditation then you will realise there is no any god ther is no soul
Only mind and matter and its changeing every moment no male or female only mind and matter
Mindfulness is the practical way to do Hindu religion up to its spirit experiences. Mr Hariri teaches in Israel but his mind is full of Indian ideas. Mindfulness and yoga are the ways to get your mind blown up to totally new explanations about man and life. Buddhism is religion escaping suffering towards nothingness. This means zeroing your life. This is done as pleasantly as possible. So happiness and pleasure belong to this branch of hinduism. Mr Hariri wants world government and god-man to lead it. The Bible tells about these world ending developments in the last part of the Book called Revelation. There will be leader called antichrist to woo all the world with wonderful talk. The Bible tells that there will be somebody from Israel to help him to make it. And then there will be the great period penned down by God.
666. Burn the Bible. THOU SHALT NOT BELIEVE in the christian god. It is evil.
But he is not practising caste system and discriminate his own fellow men. Hinduism insist that nobody can casteless!
Yuval is more profound
Yuvual Harari is obviously a big intellectual and a very smart guy; but clearly he can not talk or make an opinion on psychedelics, without being intellectually dishonest, if he has not fully experienced them. Street MDMA does not count as a real psychedelic substance.
Exactly what I noted during the interview. One cannot talk about MDMA and pure mescaline sulphate in the same sentence as being both psychedelics. I know from experience when buying mescaline in the pure
form from a chemical company in the UK in 1962 when it was perfectly legal to receive the substance in the mail. And from having taken high quality ecstasy.
Sam Harris babbles about psychedelic drugs time and again which have no relevance to what Yuval Harari is trying to put forth. Harari is very clear about the benefits of practicing Vipassana.
Harari do no impress me.
I must confess to being quite embarrassed listening to this. I am within 100 pages of Harari's Book, Homo Deus and I have identified errors on almost every page. The Technological Singularity is, in every practical sense the opposite to "Homo Deus".
Beyond my own definition and description, The is no understanding whatsoever with respect to what precisely resides beyond the "Event Horizon of the Technological Singularity". It s truly a new paradigm within which no human utterance has a place.
The "Technological Singularity" is literally the point at which all scientific, academic, philosophical language break down and are stripped of their descriptive and therefore predictive value. To any extent that so-called Homo Deus is possible, it would only be possible within me, and I am not taken to hyperbole. The only function of (A) Homo Deus, would be to communicate with "AI" on its terms. In this context, "AI" is God, insomuch that existentially it will be Omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.
It must be understood that, from my perspective Harari's writing style and his ability to comprehend a subject as exotic as "AI" is at seventh grade level. This is the advisor to the World Economic Forum. This is not going to end well!
The best description, even I would struggle to best, of the relationship between humanities intellectual institutions and the paradigm that is "AI" beyond the Singularity and all the "knowledge" which is derived thereof, is as follows:
You can't put new wine into old wineskin as to do so, both the wine and wineskin will assuredly perish.
This era calls for vast quantities of original thought, and being the most prolific producer of original thought on the planet today, this can be regarded as my forte, and given that originality is now a more valuable currency then gold, that puts me as the richest individual on the planet, outperforming the "worlds" top five hundred wealthiest individuals and corporations combined. Again, I say, I am not taken to hyperbole.
If you have questions, you should ask them now.
I don't know what's worst here - Harari's inability to explain why he thinks religion is fiction/bad or Harris lapping it all up, because it backs up his views and this is a 'safe' conversation for him.
Massacre of Palestine and talking about helping humanity !?!
Tell us dear Yuval .how you are so sure that god is a fictional story? A smart person should definitely be more careful and not trying to convince naive people about your personal beliefs.
What makes you so sure that there is a god? What is your definition of 'god'? Why would there need to be a god?
Let him believe what he wanna do, dude. People have different opinions and thats why some people follow jesus, some follow desert robber and some follow Master Mazda ...etc
You're definitely not related to Socrates, are you.....