I just replaced the surround on my 10W7 after 18 years. $40 and some time to fix what is now a $1000 sub. Not bad. Cool to see all the competition these days. I don't even need all the power this can put out with a JL 500/1 amp and a sealed box I built. I enjoy hearing. At 52, I have some friends with hearing aids now. Take it easy young dudes.
That's why I keep resisting the urge to upgrade from my single skar vxf 15. It gets plenty loud both in and out of my truck. At shows I hear some of these guys with multiple high powered subs on 10k+ watts and wonder how they can still hear
My son loves your videos! He is an avid American Bass fan and currently has 2 twelves in his car. HIs sound system is a beast thanks to your videos. Keep informing us, Parker! Thanks!
Isnt it all about the box designed for the sub? If the MFG recommendation for the sub is made to spec, Then I would think, it would be a right comparison
I got 8 of the American bass HD V2 Blue Baskets ran on 8 Taramp MD 8000.1s doing work. I'm giving each sub 6378 watts burp and they been eating it with no issues. Doing consistent 162s.
I loved my Rockford T1DS12’s. Right now I’m running 2 JL 12TW3’s….as I have serious space limitations….and they hit pretty well for shallow mounts. They are running off a Rockford T-750 amp, which is a cute little beast. I’m new to your channel but it only took me watching a couple of your vids before I decided to subscribe. Keep up the good work!
Got my first set of subs about 16 years ago. They were Cadence Beast on a Cadence Z series amp (analog) Those were probably the best sounding subs I've ever had. Next was some Memphis Audio M3s .. wasn't impressed. Went to a couple Cadence ZRS with a C2 amp. Hit hard but still never had the quality of the Beast IMO. Now I'm running some Crossfire 10s in a custom built Fox Box clone w/ custom port (under backseat of a crew cab) These are good quality. Sound good and hit good for what they are.
Best subs I've ever had was those premiers and running an old school 1100 rms Memphis amp. Since then I've had type rs had massive audio and Ds 18 is what I have right now and the ds18 is up there with them
I was going to go for the dead game audio, after your review and also watching the owner speak passionately about them! But their price point has become ridiculous, from $350 , now they are at $579! I might as well just pick another sundown x v3!
@@ParkerTheBasshead i like you doing more subs was looking at the harmony audio vid was thinking about getting them at one point. There's more foreign subs out there like Pride audio and others like to see
I have 2 of those audiopipe quad stack 10s in a 3.5 cf ported box tuned to 30hz, it's the 5th box I've built for my vehicle & it sounds far better than any of the other of the other boxes I've installed. I had a dual skar svr sealed, a box with 4 6.5 skar evl's & a single toro force 12s. I'm probably gonna build a box slightly larger for 2 audiopipe bdc4 12s knowing it'll certainly be amazing after seeing what 2 10s can do. In my opinion, there's no way you're gonna beat the audiopipe quad stacks for the dollars to performance level you'll get. I'm running a deaf bonce aab 2900 amp on the subs & sometimes we gotta figure out the "bass to space" compromise on our daily drivers. A friend i work with was highly suggesting that i try the quad stacks & I can see why. They sound good on all types of music & hit very very hard at less than half the price of anything that compares to them.
Run a audio pipe amp to it... you will change your mind.. it's garbage... doesn't hold up... and if you don't cool them off with any kinda fans.. ur risking burning your ride up.. not to mention they draw way to many amps for what they put out
@@crookcounty1978 yeah audiopipe subs are OK, but I run taramps for bass amps. Who's got room for a audiopipe amp Anyhow? That new soundqubed Korean built amp looks nice tho
Yes I've talked with paul the v2 huracan is discontinued I'd have to say my most favorite sub was the resilient sound platinum straight beast but I have some g2 genesys so hopefully them make me change my mind
I love the Sundown Subs. All of them, so I defiantly am in agreement with that...I would like to see you get a 12" Fi SSDv4! I am thinking of getting some for my next build!
Beasts! I got two v3s with high xmax coils, on stiff suspensions, and carbon dust caps both in a 4fc shared chamber tuned to 33hz running off of a SFB 3k. The windshield flex is no joke, and the sound quality is excellent. If you do decide on getting them, I would recommend going with at least 2.25cf per sub and a 4500-5000 watt amplifier for power. They laugh at the 3k.
There's a lot of confusion with xmax, people will see a huge number on one sub and see another with a considerably lower number and assume one moves way more than the other. But the formula xmax= coil winding width minus top plate(gap) thickness divided by 2, so a sub with a 3"(76.2mm) tall coil winding width with a 3/4" (19.05mm) thick top plate has 28.3 mm xmax seems pretty big...but a same 3" (76.2mm) tall winding width with a 1.5" (38.1mm) thick top plate instead comes out to 19.05mm of xmax... that seems way lower a lot would think wow that one moves way less but the truth is there both going to have similar overall excursion, It's just 2 different types of motor architecture which one is better you will hear opinions on both sides.
The timphany 15 only lists 10mm xmax but has like 3+" of travel lol a lot of people don't understand TS specs or how they are calculated/affect enclosures and sound.
Exactly....the information and knowledge is out there. I get it though, some people can't or don't want to sit and listen/watch someone speak about the technicalities of what makes a subwoofer play and perform the way they do. Myron/MB Enclosures, has done a good job at explaining to an extent.
So i'm unsure if i have owned more then 5 car audio subs but here is my list 1.)Digital Designs 715D series: best subs sound quality and volume wise as in gets hectic loud with amazing bandwidth no matter the box and sounds soooo smooth on every note. 2.)Sundown X15 V1: The King of wind, this subs only trade offs is the SQ part and bandwidth by 15% other then that it hits like a truck at anything below 33hz and cause so much air pressure it's ridiculous to compare it to any other sub in that aspect and at the moment i am enjoying the hell out of it and getting another one. 3.)Ice power 715: The middle man sub this is a local brand that uses DD parts or parts close to it swapped for one a while ago and loved it best sub for the price in my country pulling off a 143DB@24hz on 1800watts a bit back and like the DD it plays everything smooth and loud hell i have vids going down to 15hz easy only drawbacks is the subs coil is wound lighter then the original DD715s which means it takes less power and can get broken if pushed too hard so 140-145DB on music is round it's peak capabilities and maybe low 150's burping. 4.)Targa Venom 15 : I kind of have too much good to say about this sub got a 141DB out of this sub on 200watts and had some crazy fun using it best for playing mid lows as in 35hz to 40hz and likes 47hz to 70hz a lot so good for a burp vehicle and great for somebody into House music, Techno and EDM genres overall, very good SQ overall only drawbacks is it takes only 900-1200watts clean and does get hot, the tinsel leads are direct not sown in so they break when flexing too much and their price skyrocketed in 2021. 5.)Hybrid 15H350 The weird one, this is a PA driver yet it's here on my list? Reason is when i threw it in my car it destroyed many subs i heard at the comps as in got almost as loud played down to 19hz and sounded even better and also did so on way less power due to the sensitivy aspect and best part is it costs less then half of what even entry level aka street level car subs cost, if i started out i'd have bought these instead of the cheapies i ended up buying this sub shocked me loved 26hz, 29hz in my car had a bandwidth down to 19hz ate 1200watts for 8 hours straight and didn't get hot at all meaning the 3 inch coils can take more and best part is the Sound quality is in another league compared to any Car sub only downfall is the lows sound different and it's low Xmax means the lows are not windy at all just loud and honestly since the DD715 D is the closest in SQ yet gives that oomph i would go DD if i wanted that certain sound but if i started out i'd have said this is the way especially since there is a ton of benefits for a beginner regarding money.
I have a dd 718 waiting on my desk. It is going in a bmw e91 that is being fully sound treated. (Box - 226L tuned to 28Hz with a 10” aeroport). How was the power handling with the 715? Planing to run it with a SD 2000.1 EVO
@@gregorijs3kivi ran a Sound Digital(SD) 3k on mine easy peasy subs not even broken in yet man just know they take a whille to break in and if in the right box sounds soo deep like really different sounding subs i believe you will be very happy. Id guess a 142 to 147DB is possible on a 718 easym
I bought an xfl bc of your videos and I love it! Had it on 1500rms for a while and it was good but stepped it up to 3500rms and it BANGS now. No regrets thanks to you Parker
Did you upgrade your alt? Been thinking about doing the same for my vxf 15 but It's doing good with 1500 in 4.25cu ft. Don't want to mess with the alt if I don't need to
Question for the tech guys here....have subs become more inefficient over time? Back in the early 2000's it seemed everything had a sensitivity in the 90db's and sometimes over 100db's, but all of these are in the 80's. Has something changed with design or are modern subs just so beefy that the extra mass makes them less sensitive?
I kinda lean towards pointing a finger to our far east or west depending on how you look at it, mass production suppliers. Seems like the mass and "cheaper" to produce subs that get built across seas in China using possibly sub par or cheaper parts and materials have a little to blame. Obviously I'm just speculating and not saying ALL subs shipped from China are like that but 🤷♂️idk. I get what you mean though.
Today’s subs are geared toward high excursion and ported boxes. Super stiff and need a ton of power to move the cones. SQ and efficiency has gone out the window.
Need to check out B2, and now I know the price can be high, but Hutchinson Audio are pretty extreme and not really tested or rated by many. But from those I've seen with them absolutely love them. And extremely customizable.
First off, I've only been a subscriber for about a month but really enjoy your videos Parker! 👌 I haven't had time to go all the way to your beginning videos so I'm not sure if you've reviewed them yet or not. Curious if you've tried out B2 subwoofers yet? Like most brands they do have nice entry level subs. I've owned and played more brands than I can compute but these rage xl 12s sure are making an impression on me. Thought the w7 would forever be my #1 but idk now. Just throwing it out there. But keep up the great work! 👍
Sorry for the delayed response, Sunday wasn't exactly "restful" haha. I had every intention on buying the 8" B2 XM Rages. Wanted to do a 3 sub setup. But couldn't turn down the deal on these 12s. Personally I love almost all brands. 🤷♂️I'm not loyal to just one brand. A good product is a good product and that's that. I loved my W7s, had a JL 1000/1 on each and it was perfect for me. Same 2 amps are currently powering the B2s and they definitely want more 😳😏 BUT, with 2 kids, buying bigger amps or amp will have to wait.
JL Audio W7’s can’t be beat for SPL and SQ in a small box. Even better, they don’t require a lot of power to get loud, all the brands Parker uses are too power hungry. Power to power, none of the subs Parker uses can compete in SPL and much less in SQ than the W7’s.
I love DB 3015. My only regret is not getting the R but I wad able to buy the reg 3015 for like $400 new. Really lucked out on that one. It eats my MD8k
The db 3015 and the 3015r is the same exact sub. The only difference is it added "400" watts rms to it. They are both the same exact weight and same exact specs other than that. I had bought the last 3015 from gp car audio and I had to pre order the 3015r. Production prices went up for the 3015 so it cost more to produce thats why the price went up and they added the r to make it seem like it was upgraded but it's the same. They are extremely underrated subs. I have two taramps bass 8k's for my one 3015 and one 3015r they both handle it well. I have them wired to 2 ohms and clamping around 5,400 watts. They take the power very well.
Been out of the game for years now and about to start a new build. Now it’s all about finding the info again lol. Just found your channel and will be visiting often. Miss my bass but real life sometimes takes over our passion. But I will be back.
I just replaced my 3 kicker cvr 10s with 2 12s power acoustik bamf running at 1ohm and I have to say they bang...took little longer to break in the most subs but gotta say didn't think these would bang this hard or flex like they do.budget subs for the win
Still believe the bdc4 12 is easily the best budget banger to this day I still have vids of them on my channel but these deafbonce avatar 12s are INNNNSANE
Haven't been watching for the longest time but have been enjoying every bit since I started thanks for all of the content. I really enjoy when you do the review on the smaller subs not a lot of people are doing those. I was wondering if you have any experience with DS18 subwoofer, and if you would do a review on the new elite subwoofers, specifically the ZR8.4D.
I wanna see somebody playing some of the updated SSA subs. They were right up there with Sundown and RE Audio years ago and they're still hand made in the US. I used to run their SQ sub, the Dcon but I switched to a Skar VVX for more output in the same price range. Its hard to find any videos of the new Icon or Zcon playing
I totally agree with your list! I would love to see a beefy Digital Design sub just to see your opinion compared to other subs. Great channel and keep up the great work.
It's crazy I had some audio pipe 6×9 back in the day like 12-15yrs ago and I thought they sucked balls until I put the juice to them and I was like oh damn ...lmfao 😆 🤣 😂
Eye contact with the camera was dead on this video 😁 Maybe I’m an idiot but that’s the first thing I notice watching any video. Any who, I love the channel and have been watching a lot last year and will be here for 2022
How do you get into competitions and stuff? There isn't anything like that around where I live. I so wish there was. I work and live at a 40 acre resort hotel..plenty of space to do car shows and such. I'd love to set up something cool this summer
You should make a removable wall enclosure. Put it in for testing and take it out for driving so you don't have major blind spots. Wall, wall, wall!! Spl score I bet would be phenomenal!!
i have 2 DD Audio 10" series 600 in a fox box under seat box in a 2018 f150. The subs are pushed by a DD Audio 1700 watts amp. Door speakers are C@ JL Audio and a 400 watt JL amp on those.I WILL NEVER SPEND MY MONEY ON DD AUDIO AGAIN!!!! Im thinking about Sundown but i will probably go all JL and never change brands again. I have only been pleased with JL or Fosgate.
I’m doing 2 Sundown Sa v2 12”s on a Sundown SFB 3000D. 0gauge, big 3, with a Ds4 LT0 lithium battery in the back. Stock alt and battery. I’ll probably get a agm battery for under the hood. All in a 2019 accord 2.0t. I’d like to do the alternator upgrade eventually but do you think I can get away with it for a little while?
Honestly, I think as long as you do the batteries for the time being yes, but if you can sneak a digital voltage gauge into your budget I'd recommend it. Just watch out for extended high level periods when at idle. Just my .02 but definitely get the alt when possible 👍👌
They are very hard to come by these days and pricey, but i would love to see a deep dive on Blues audio and Linear power, back in the day when Blues first came out i had the 10.5's and the 6.5's on linear power amps, i could not blow those Blues speakers, i still have the 6.5's, brittle now but still fire, i put so many watts to those tens, rms i think was 150 or 300 watts, they took 3000 no problem and didnt even get hot or smoke, Blues are fantastic, not powerhouses but just durable as hell, the coils on them are just insane.
What do you think about the American bass xmaxx I'm thinking about getting 2 15s I have 2 12 xfl but blew both of them out smh I'm in the process of reconing them hopefully everything gose good
You missed one really nice budget sub Harmony Monolith series, got my 15s for $265 each ,1500 watts rms 308oz magnet 20 mm top plate and 67 mm coil ,on 3 inch former , flat wound CCA 8 layers ,coated in high temp black resin ,triple spider , stitched leads and carbon fiber cone , good deal
Good list Parker putting the skarbage in the dead last spot lmao while ya put the Xv2 above everything. I own a Xv2 10 myself and that lil guy is a behemoth that I've literally beaten the shit out of it demoing and freq sweeping and it still keeps throwing 💪
First time watcher from the UK never in my life had a decent setup other than standard stuff this was a great watch.. nice touch with the yuge at 6:10 👍😁👍
Audiopipe is definitely the underdog here, for the price, they have decent quality products. The sounds in the video was a little messed up parker fyi. Good video though
I agree, I installed 2 10" TXX in my sister's MKX. Powered by one of my older JL 750/1 and it sounds hella good. 👌😎 at around 130 per sub I was skeptical at first but damn, I'd purchase myself after hearing them.
Ik you prob wont see or respond but I’m trying to get my first system to get my dad some excitement. He did this for so long and I’d love a pair of sundowns to start off, if you see this I love your content. Constantly sending these videos daily to him. Much love!
I’m running a 10” XV2 after running a JL Audio sub and to me the sound is almost the same. The sundown does hit harder though. I think the JL sounds a bit better and more efficient so it plays bass at lower volumes. I wish on your chart you had listed the name of the subs. I would like to have that.
Thank you 4 sharing all this cool content , i love BASS so i find everything here interesting. I used to have a systen but don't at the moment, hopefully soon tho god willing. Had a lil question not sure which would sound better. (2)10in subs or (1)12in sub? Not sure if they all have the same wattage what the sound would be 🤔✌️💯🌴🔈🎶
Am in kenya in East Africa an I have a van that I accused recently and I wish you call come over and wire this old van with nice sound, God bless the good knowledge and works of your hands.
I loved my 12 inch sundown zv4 on my 5k built my custom box for it prefect specs and I was out pacing people with 3 and 4 woofers. But again the box can make or break any system. Alot I mean alot of time spent in the box for the area you can't see where the magic happens design is fun but damn did it take time. Had it in my liberty dynomated the hell out of it under coated it God I was hated by alot ofbthe other guys I ran with they spent way more then me to be not nearly as loud. But Team Sundown is by far my favorite for SPL for SQL I'll give it to sundown also love there products reminds me of JL Audio back when it was just the Big 4 competing JL, Rockford, Memphis Audio and Kicker sure MTX had the jack hammer ect and Orion was making a bame for themselfs but once sundown hit the scene game set match. I have owners, JL w7s, Rockford t1 and t2 onions monsters, never had any Memphis audio, had Audio Pipes, American Bass, DB, DC, Concepts, Tranctuals I can go on But nothing put a smile on my face like Sundown. I haven't tried Skar yet maybe my next project car shall see.
Killer video! Good to see some old pics from the rents house in the keep! What did you ever do with the audio pipes? Keep up the great content and happy New Years brotha
❤ you videos, wanted to get your recomd. I have center console open fisherman boat with great hi’s and mids. They are overpowering my 10inch subs and need much more low’s. What box/subs would you recommend to replace the current ones, Located in the center console?TIA
I really like all your insight and wisdom. I bought subs because u said they were better so I could use some free one because I lost mine somebody stole them
I have an American Bass PH-4000MD 2000W RMS @1 ohm and a GBody (82 Monte Carlo) with room for a single 12”. Which of these would you choose and what type of enclosure for a box that has to fit in the cubby space in the very front of the trunk measuring 30” wide x 12” deep x 14” tall? The box has to fit between the hydraulic cylinders and can’t interfere with the pumps directly behind it, so I’m stuck in that space. Based on general airspace requirements, will a custom ported box fit there? Also, my budget for a single 12 is $600, so of you could suggest others I’d appreciate it. Thanks man.
I just replaced the surround on my 10W7 after 18 years. $40 and some time to fix what is now a $1000 sub. Not bad. Cool to see all the competition these days. I don't even need all the power this can put out with a JL 500/1 amp and a sealed box I built. I enjoy hearing. At 52, I have some friends with hearing aids now. Take it easy young dudes.
Yes thats a great speaker … w6 is good enough for me … miss those days in the early 2000s
That's why I keep resisting the urge to upgrade from my single skar vxf 15. It gets plenty loud both in and out of my truck. At shows I hear some of these guys with multiple high powered subs on 10k+ watts and wonder how they can still hear
Thats awesome man I have a jl w7 12 and it slams for real for a single sub
My son loves your videos! He is an avid American Bass fan and currently has 2 twelves in his car. HIs sound system is a beast thanks to your videos. Keep informing us, Parker! Thanks!
That is great to hear!! American Bass FTW!
Can you do an updated one of these videos? Please
American bass is awesome
I agree with you,,,, I have X V2 12s,,, and I love them wouldn't trade them for nothing!!! 😁💪
Best sub I've had was FI BTL. I've had alpine, kicker, mtx, jl, sound qubed (hdc3) rockford, Orion. FI sounded the best and was the loudest.
I had a bl back in the day about 10 years ago definitely loudest amongst my friends group at the time
Isnt it all about the box designed for the sub? If the MFG recommendation for the sub is made to spec, Then I would think, it would be a right comparison
Which brand has cleaner bass? DD Audio or CT Sounds?
I’d love to hear your thought on the best sounding sub you have tested for daily music listening and not just getting stupid loud.
I’m only coming up with w7. As far as Xmax low frequency capabilities range sq it’s still superior.
I got 8 of the American bass HD V2 Blue Baskets ran on 8 Taramp MD 8000.1s doing work. I'm giving each sub 6378 watts burp and they been eating it with no issues.
Doing consistent 162s.
Updated top 5 vid?
Yea we need that
Fax
Yea I’m ready now
We need that update bro
Definitely need one
I loved my Rockford T1DS12’s. Right now I’m running 2 JL 12TW3’s….as I have serious space limitations….and they hit pretty well for shallow mounts. They are running off a Rockford T-750 amp, which is a cute little beast. I’m new to your channel but it only took me watching a couple of your vids before I decided to subscribe. Keep up the good work!
NICE! I HAVE12" ROCKFORD. DEFINITELY 👍 IN MY BOOK.
If you have time to reply, Im looking to build a system for a friend and money really isnt a option. Have you heard or tested other shallow mounts?
Got my first set of subs about 16 years ago. They were Cadence Beast on a Cadence Z series amp (analog) Those were probably the best sounding subs I've ever had. Next was some Memphis Audio M3s .. wasn't impressed. Went to a couple Cadence ZRS with a C2 amp. Hit hard but still never had the quality of the Beast IMO. Now I'm running some Crossfire 10s in a custom built Fox Box clone w/ custom port (under backseat of a crew cab) These are good quality. Sound good and hit good for what they are.
I’m running the same box with dad audio series 600 2-10”.
Thanks for all you do Parker!!! All of us bassheads appreciate you fam!!!
👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
back in the day i was running 2 pioneer premier champion series 12s.. loved them
Best subs I've ever had was those premiers and running an old school 1100 rms Memphis amp. Since then I've had type rs had massive audio and Ds 18 is what I have right now and the ds18 is up there with them
Great top 5 subs. You didn't have my favorite which is JL Audio w7 13.5.
Still trying to figure out what to put in my Tahoe
The JL W7 is fantastic and also my favorite.
I was going to go for the dead game audio, after your review and also watching the owner speak passionately about them! But their price point has become ridiculous, from $350 , now they are at $579! I might as well just pick another sundown x v3!
Yeah 570 is steep for Sure! But I think it was because there were almost out of stock and now they are rolling out the V3s
@@ParkerTheBasshead i like you doing more subs was looking at the harmony audio vid was thinking about getting them at one point. There's more foreign subs out there like Pride audio and others like to see
I have 2 of those audiopipe quad stack 10s in a 3.5 cf ported box tuned to 30hz, it's the 5th box I've built for my vehicle & it sounds far better than any of the other of the other boxes I've installed. I had a dual skar svr sealed, a box with 4 6.5 skar evl's & a single toro force 12s. I'm probably gonna build a box slightly larger for 2 audiopipe bdc4 12s knowing it'll certainly be amazing after seeing what 2 10s can do. In my opinion, there's no way you're gonna beat the audiopipe quad stacks for the dollars to performance level you'll get. I'm running a deaf bonce aab 2900 amp on the subs & sometimes we gotta figure out the "bass to space" compromise on our daily drivers. A friend i work with was highly suggesting that i try the quad stacks & I can see why. They sound good on all types of music & hit very very hard at less than half the price of anything that compares to them.
Hey! I am ordering 2 of the quad stack 10s, could you maybe send some videos of your system? I would be interested in your boxes aswell! Thanks man!
30hz ?? What do you listen to that's that low all the time
Run a audio pipe amp to it... you will change your mind.. it's garbage... doesn't hold up... and if you don't cool them off with any kinda fans.. ur risking burning your ride up.. not to mention they draw way to many amps for what they put out
@@crookcounty1978 yeah audiopipe subs are OK, but I run taramps for bass amps. Who's got room for a audiopipe amp Anyhow? That new soundqubed Korean built amp looks nice tho
Yes I've talked with paul the v2 huracan is discontinued I'd have to say my most favorite sub was the resilient sound platinum straight beast but I have some g2 genesys so hopefully them make me change my mind
I love the Sundown Subs. All of them, so I defiantly am in agreement with that...I would like to see you get a 12" Fi SSDv4! I am thinking of getting some for my next build!
Beasts! I got two v3s with high xmax coils, on stiff suspensions, and carbon dust caps both in a 4fc shared chamber tuned to 33hz running off of a SFB 3k. The windshield flex is no joke, and the sound quality is excellent. If you do decide on getting them, I would recommend going with at least 2.25cf per sub and a 4500-5000 watt amplifier for power. They laugh at the 3k.
I have 2 ssdv4 and they slap hard on Orion 3000 which puts out 5000 results at 14v and 3000 at 12v
I would love to see the w7 12 running with the 1000.1 slash please. Thank you
There's a lot of confusion with xmax, people will see a huge number on one sub and see another with a considerably lower number and assume one moves way more than the other. But the formula xmax= coil winding width minus top plate(gap) thickness divided by 2, so a sub with a 3"(76.2mm) tall coil winding width with a 3/4" (19.05mm) thick top plate has 28.3 mm xmax seems pretty big...but a same 3" (76.2mm) tall winding width with a 1.5" (38.1mm) thick top plate instead comes out to 19.05mm of xmax... that seems way lower a lot would think wow that one moves way less but the truth is there both going to have similar overall excursion, It's just 2 different types of motor architecture which one is better you will hear opinions on both sides.
The timphany 15 only lists 10mm xmax but has like 3+" of travel lol a lot of people don't understand TS specs or how they are calculated/affect enclosures and sound.
Would be a great service to the basshead community to share all that knowledge.... especially in a indepth video
@@jase1911 all of it is already discussed in videos on RUclips they are just educational and therefore kind of a bore 😅
Exactly....the information and knowledge is out there. I get it though, some people can't or don't want to sit and listen/watch someone speak about the technicalities of what makes a subwoofer play and perform the way they do. Myron/MB Enclosures, has done a good job at explaining to an extent.
So i'm unsure if i have owned more then 5 car audio subs but here is my list
1.)Digital Designs 715D series:
best subs sound quality and volume wise as in gets hectic loud with amazing bandwidth no matter the box and sounds soooo smooth on every note.
2.)Sundown X15 V1:
The King of wind, this subs only trade offs is the SQ part and bandwidth by 15% other then that it hits like a truck at anything below 33hz and cause so much air pressure it's ridiculous to compare it to any other sub in that aspect and at the moment i am enjoying the hell out of it and getting another one.
3.)Ice power 715:
The middle man sub this is a local brand that uses DD parts or parts close to it swapped for one a while ago and loved it best sub for the price in my country pulling off a 143DB@24hz on 1800watts a bit back and like the DD it plays everything smooth and loud hell i have vids going down to 15hz easy only drawbacks is the subs coil is wound lighter then the original DD715s which means it takes less power and can get broken if pushed too hard so 140-145DB on music is round it's peak capabilities and maybe low 150's burping.
4.)Targa Venom 15 :
I kind of have too much good to say about this sub got a 141DB out of this sub on 200watts and had some crazy fun using it best for playing mid lows as in 35hz to 40hz and likes 47hz to 70hz a lot so good for a burp vehicle and great for somebody into House music, Techno and EDM genres overall, very good SQ overall only drawbacks is it takes only 900-1200watts clean and does get hot, the tinsel leads are direct not sown in so they break when flexing too much and their price skyrocketed in 2021.
5.)Hybrid 15H350
The weird one, this is a PA driver yet it's here on my list? Reason is when i threw it in my car it destroyed many subs i heard at the comps as in got almost as loud played down to 19hz and sounded even better and also did so on way less power due to the sensitivy aspect and best part is it costs less then half of what even entry level aka street level car subs cost, if i started out i'd have bought these instead of the cheapies i ended up buying this sub shocked me loved 26hz, 29hz in my car had a bandwidth down to 19hz ate 1200watts for 8 hours straight and didn't get hot at all meaning the 3 inch coils can take more and best part is the Sound quality is in another league compared to any Car sub only downfall is the lows sound different and it's low Xmax means the lows are not windy at all just loud and honestly since the DD715 D is the closest in SQ yet gives that oomph i would go DD if i wanted that certain sound but if i started out i'd have said this is the way especially since there is a ton of benefits for a beginner regarding money.
I have a dd 718 waiting on my desk. It is going in a bmw e91 that is being fully sound treated. (Box - 226L tuned to 28Hz with a 10” aeroport). How was the power handling with the 715? Planing to run it with a SD 2000.1 EVO
@@gregorijs3kivi ran a Sound Digital(SD) 3k on mine easy peasy subs not even broken in yet man just know they take a whille to break in and if in the right box sounds soo deep like really different sounding subs i believe you will be very happy. Id guess a 142 to 147DB is possible on a 718 easym
@@EBMproductions1 which brand has cleaner bass? DD Audio or CT Sounds?
My favorite budget banger that I've ever owned was a Power Acoustik MOFO 15"
I bought an xfl bc of your videos and I love it! Had it on 1500rms for a while and it was good but stepped it up to 3500rms and it BANGS now. No regrets thanks to you Parker
Same.
Did you upgrade your alt? Been thinking about doing the same for my vxf 15 but It's doing good with 1500 in 4.25cu ft. Don't want to mess with the alt if I don't need to
@rmh5102 I did upgrade to a Brand X 320amp alt with just two agms totalling 110ah and it never lacked for power
@@keetonotto237 Good to know. Apart of me is curious to see what this sub is really capable of. Thanks for the reply!
Question for the tech guys here....have subs become more inefficient over time? Back in the early 2000's it seemed everything had a sensitivity in the 90db's and sometimes over 100db's, but all of these are in the 80's. Has something changed with design or are modern subs just so beefy that the extra mass makes them less sensitive?
Subs are more inefficient because we have a lot more power to power them with nowadays
I kinda lean towards pointing a finger to our far east or west depending on how you look at it, mass production suppliers. Seems like the mass and "cheaper" to produce subs that get built across seas in China using possibly sub par or cheaper parts and materials have a little to blame. Obviously I'm just speculating and not saying ALL subs shipped from China are like that but 🤷♂️idk. I get what you mean though.
@@gamescents3719 yeah but the amps that power them are more efficient
Today’s subs are geared toward high excursion and ported boxes. Super stiff and need a ton of power to move the cones. SQ and efficiency has gone out the window.
@@raulfernandez9111 yeah but they ain't built like shit atleast
I have an AB XFL 12 and can definitely say it worth every penny.
Need to check out B2, and now I know the price can be high, but Hutchinson Audio are pretty extreme and not really tested or rated by many. But from those I've seen with them absolutely love them. And extremely customizable.
Hutchinson got some sexy ass neo subs fr
X2 on that! Those Hutch look fine AF and damn, the few vids I have seen 😳🤘👌 they ain't effing around 😎
First off, I've only been a subscriber for about a month but really enjoy your videos Parker! 👌 I haven't had time to go all the way to your beginning videos so I'm not sure if you've reviewed them yet or not. Curious if you've tried out B2 subwoofers yet? Like most brands they do have nice entry level subs. I've owned and played more brands than I can compute but these rage xl 12s sure are making an impression on me. Thought the w7 would forever be my #1 but idk now. Just throwing it out there. But keep up the great work! 👍
I like this info
I'm interested in the b2s' too man
Sorry for the delayed response, Sunday wasn't exactly "restful" haha. I had every intention on buying the 8" B2 XM Rages. Wanted to do a 3 sub setup. But couldn't turn down the deal on these 12s. Personally I love almost all brands. 🤷♂️I'm not loyal to just one brand. A good product is a good product and that's that. I loved my W7s, had a JL 1000/1 on each and it was perfect for me. Same 2 amps are currently powering the B2s and they definitely want more 😳😏 BUT, with 2 kids, buying bigger amps or amp will have to wait.
JL Audio W7’s can’t be beat for SPL and SQ in a small box. Even better, they don’t require a lot of power to get loud, all the brands Parker uses are too power hungry. Power to power, none of the subs Parker uses can compete in SPL and much less in SQ than the W7’s.
I have those rage xl B2 subs and I can confirm they hit harder than the w7 JL’s!
Love the cat in the video!!! More of him too, please.
Will do!!
Literally watched you 2 years ago doing the review on the txx 12 audio pipe. Made me buy 2 and it’s so good
1. Pyle
2. boss
3. Lanzar
4. Dogg digital
5. Thump
All that stuff use to be bull crap back in the day now they are going hard
I love DB 3015. My only regret is not getting the R but I wad able to buy the reg 3015 for like $400 new. Really lucked out on that one. It eats my MD8k
The db 3015 and the 3015r is the same exact sub. The only difference is it added "400" watts rms to it. They are both the same exact weight and same exact specs other than that. I had bought the last 3015 from gp car audio and I had to pre order the 3015r. Production prices went up for the 3015 so it cost more to produce thats why the price went up and they added the r to make it seem like it was upgraded but it's the same. They are extremely underrated subs. I have two taramps bass 8k's for my one 3015 and one 3015r they both handle it well. I have them wired to 2 ohms and clamping around 5,400 watts. They take the power very well.
Yeah I really like the 3012r. Even under powered they get down and sound good
Been out of the game for years now and about to start a new build. Now it’s all about finding the info again lol. Just found your channel and will be visiting often. Miss my bass but real life sometimes takes over our passion. But I will be back.
Glad you are getting back into it!!
Spl dynamics
Gotta do a 2024 top favorite subs!!
I just replaced my 3 kicker cvr 10s with 2 12s power acoustik bamf running at 1ohm and I have to say they bang...took little longer to break in the most subs but gotta say didn't think these would bang this hard or flex like they do.budget subs for the win
I have an x12 v3 as my daily sub and it takes 2900 at 2 ohm from my skar 4500.1 all day long
I’m very surprised that the G2 Genesis wasn’t on the list. I have two 12’s in my daily driver and they are simply phenomenal
Love these kinds of vidoes man, keep it up bro
Still believe the bdc4 12 is easily the best budget banger to this day I still have vids of them on my channel but these deafbonce avatar 12s are INNNNSANE
Haven't been watching for the longest time but have been enjoying every bit since I started thanks for all of the content. I really enjoy when you do the review on the smaller subs not a lot of people are doing those. I was wondering if you have any experience with DS18 subwoofer, and if you would do a review on the new elite subwoofers, specifically the ZR8.4D.
What do you recommend between the AUDIOPIPE TXX-BDC4-15 vs American Bass HAWK 1544 15? The price is right for these 1500 rms subs...
I wanna see somebody playing some of the updated SSA subs. They were right up there with Sundown and RE Audio years ago and they're still hand made in the US. I used to run their SQ sub, the Dcon but I switched to a Skar VVX for more output in the same price range. Its hard to find any videos of the new Icon or Zcon playing
ssa built by fi right?
@@Furybeatsgme I don’t believe so.
It’s too bad only thing bass heads care about is how loud a subwoofer plays rather than the quality of sound.
I totally agree with your list! I would love to see a beefy Digital Design sub just to see your opinion compared to other subs. Great channel and keep up the great work.
DD is superior in almost every way. Their subs and their amps are so far ahead of everyone it’s ridiculous
@@gemstatefisherman3409 agreed 100%
Would be great to see a sub battle that budget doesn't matter. Like an Orion Hcca or SPLX😁
Audiopipe all the way!!! Awesome video Parker keep them coming
Glad you cleared it up by saying your top 5 vs the video title, which could lead newbies in the wrong direction!!!!
My favourite sub is definitely the x12v2.
Have one in a wagon and box tuned to 32hz and it's feakin amazing!!
Will u test out a resilient sound Platinum Series 12
Should test out some more uncommon subs like FI DD DC audio DB Drive audio and NEP audio seen the adire audio and keep the vid's coming 👌
I really want to hear a 12" DB G5. Almost had my bro in law talked into trying em but went another route.
@@14steeli me as well i hear the G1 G2 and G3 have a vid of the G3 but haven't heard or build a box for the G5
Adore yes my all time old school fave.. power hungry beasts
Dc xl elite 12
It's crazy I had some audio pipe 6×9 back in the day like 12-15yrs ago and I thought they sucked balls until I put the juice to them and I was like oh damn ...lmfao 😆 🤣 😂
Eye contact with the camera was dead on this video 😁 Maybe I’m an idiot but that’s the first thing I notice watching any video. Any who, I love the channel and have been watching a lot last year and will be here for 2022
Can't wait to get my car with sounds
How do you get into competitions and stuff? There isn't anything like that around where I live. I so wish there was. I work and live at a 40 acre resort hotel..plenty of space to do car shows and such. I'd love to set up something cool this summer
I don't have enough experience with different brands and models, but I'm really happy with my XFLs.
You should make a removable wall enclosure. Put it in for testing and take it out for driving so you don't have major blind spots. Wall, wall, wall!! Spl score I bet would be phenomenal!!
DD audio or B2 audio are class leading for subwoofers. Dc audio, deaf bounce, and ds 18 have been producing good gear.
What sub woofer would u prefer
I got 4 deaf bonce 8’s in my truck they slam on 2800 watts
i have 2 DD Audio 10" series 600 in a fox box under seat box in a 2018 f150. The subs are pushed by a DD Audio 1700 watts amp. Door speakers are C@ JL Audio and a 400 watt JL amp on those.I WILL NEVER SPEND MY MONEY ON DD AUDIO AGAIN!!!! Im thinking about Sundown but i will probably go all JL and never change brands again. I have only been pleased with JL or Fosgate.
@@ckryegrass11 why? What's wrong with dd audio? I am choosing between that and ct sounds
I have an American Bass xfl1522 and it hits, next is putting 2 12” audiopipe bdc4 in my 2020 pathfinder
txx-bdc4's are great, you shouldn't be disappointed with 2 of em. Any plans for the box/s you'll be putting them in?
I have a couple Skar 15’s with a skar 2000 watt amp and I’m happy with the set up. Pounds to be honest.
I’m doing 2 Sundown Sa v2 12”s on a Sundown SFB 3000D. 0gauge, big 3, with a Ds4 LT0 lithium battery in the back. Stock alt and battery. I’ll probably get a agm battery for under the hood. All in a 2019 accord 2.0t. I’d like to do the alternator upgrade eventually but do you think I can get away with it for a little while?
Honestly, I think as long as you do the batteries for the time being yes, but if you can sneak a digital voltage gauge into your budget I'd recommend it. Just watch out for extended high level periods when at idle. Just my .02 but definitely get the alt when possible 👍👌
They are very hard to come by these days and pricey, but i would love to see a deep dive on Blues audio and Linear power, back in the day when Blues first came out i had the 10.5's and the 6.5's on linear power amps, i could not blow those Blues speakers, i still have the 6.5's, brittle now but still fire, i put so many watts to those tens, rms i think was 150 or 300 watts, they took 3000 no problem and didnt even get hot or smoke, Blues are fantastic, not powerhouses but just durable as hell, the coils on them are just insane.
What do you think about the American bass xmaxx I'm thinking about getting 2 15s I have 2 12 xfl but blew both of them out smh I'm in the process of reconing them hopefully everything gose good
Damn that looks heavy. Can see the truck squat a bit when he placed the subs on the box 3:27 😂 thats awesome
1: sundown nsv4 12
2: Resilient sounds team 15
3: massive audio hippo xl 15
4: audiopipe bdc4 12
5: skar vxf 12
You are the reason I have this speaker in my car atm... I love it
Great vid as always brother. Hope you can get some resilient sounds platinums in there this year, love to see your thoughts on it
Still loves my American Bass Elites. Sound the same as the xfl to me. Best budget banger to me.
The xfl can handle a lot more power tho..
I'm running 4 sundown x10s on two taramps 5k...almost done with installation putting it in 1995 chevy 2500 4x4 just two door
You missed one really nice budget sub Harmony Monolith series, got my 15s for $265 each ,1500 watts rms 308oz magnet 20 mm top plate and 67 mm coil ,on 3 inch former , flat wound CCA 8 layers ,coated in high temp black resin ,triple spider , stitched leads and carbon fiber cone , good deal
Good list Parker putting the skarbage in the dead last spot lmao while ya put the Xv2 above everything. I own a Xv2 10 myself and that lil guy is a behemoth that I've literally beaten the shit out of it demoing and freq sweeping and it still keeps throwing 💪
First time watcher from the UK never in my life had a decent setup other than standard stuff this was a great watch.. nice touch with the yuge at 6:10 👍😁👍
Top five for me would have an sa12 in it and a wolfram cu-8.
Audiopipe is definitely the underdog here, for the price, they have decent quality products. The sounds in the video was a little messed up parker fyi. Good video though
I agree, I installed 2 10" TXX in my sister's MKX. Powered by one of my older JL 750/1 and it sounds hella good. 👌😎 at around 130 per sub I was skeptical at first but damn, I'd purchase myself after hearing them.
Absolutely love your videos. Can't wait to see what 2022 brings.
Ik you prob wont see or respond but I’m trying to get my first system to get my dad some excitement. He did this for so long and I’d love a pair of sundowns to start off, if you see this I love your content. Constantly sending these videos daily to him. Much love!
We need a video on that badass Subaru bub
0:14 love the fact that you cat can talk! More catnip then!
I'm loving my blackbrick subs I picked 2 up over a year ago and I'm nothing but impressed.
I’m running a 10” XV2 after running a JL Audio sub and to me the sound is almost the same. The sundown does hit harder though. I think the JL sounds a bit better and more efficient so it plays bass at lower volumes. I wish on your chart you had listed the name of the subs. I would like to have that.
What up parker you need to review some resilient sounds platinum 12s I love them and there a budget sub
Thank you 4 sharing all this cool content , i love BASS so i find everything here interesting. I used to have a systen but don't at the moment, hopefully soon tho god willing. Had a lil question not sure which would sound better. (2)10in subs or (1)12in sub? Not sure if they all have the same wattage what the sound would be 🤔✌️💯🌴🔈🎶
Aww my sub is #1! Thanks again for the sub Parker it’s going to make a great addition to my system.
Yessir!! I miss it but glad it is in good hands
Am in kenya in East Africa an I have a van that I accused recently and I wish you call come over and wire this old van with nice sound, God bless the good knowledge and works of your hands.
I like DC in my jeep. I'm not a big Sundown fan but I'm thinking about a couple of Xv3's for my daily.
I loved my 12 inch sundown zv4 on my 5k built my custom box for it prefect specs and I was out pacing people with 3 and 4 woofers. But again the box can make or break any system. Alot I mean alot of time spent in the box for the area you can't see where the magic happens design is fun but damn did it take time. Had it in my liberty dynomated the hell out of it under coated it God I was hated by alot ofbthe other guys I ran with they spent way more then me to be not nearly as loud. But Team Sundown is by far my favorite for SPL for SQL I'll give it to sundown also love there products reminds me of JL Audio back when it was just the Big 4 competing JL, Rockford, Memphis Audio and Kicker sure MTX had the jack hammer ect and Orion was making a bame for themselfs but once sundown hit the scene game set match. I have owners, JL w7s, Rockford t1 and t2 onions monsters, never had any Memphis audio, had Audio Pipes, American Bass, DB, DC, Concepts, Tranctuals I can go on But nothing put a smile on my face like Sundown. I haven't tried Skar yet maybe my next project car shall see.
Had some alpine type a and blew both of me with my hypnotics amp 😂🤦🏽♂️ lookin to upgrade but wanna stay with 2 12s lmk what y’all think.
Can you use the car subs for home theatre application?
I'm new to the new generation of stereo systems but right now I've got XFL 12!! 3000 Peak and it beats hard
1000 rms or the 1500???
What's the difference between SKAR, SUNDOWN and AMERICAN BASS SUBWOOFERS?
Killer video! Good to see some old pics from the rents house in the keep! What did you ever do with the audio pipes? Keep up the great content and happy New Years brotha
Nice list bro! HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Happy new year!!
I know it was hard to pick the top 5 with so many choices that you have but good to know what worked best for you !
I need you to Review the resilient sounds platinum 12 Parker❓❓❓
You can tell aux has been eating good he's looking real lean💪
❤ you videos, wanted to get your recomd. I have center console open fisherman boat with great hi’s and mids. They are overpowering my 10inch subs and need much more low’s. What box/subs would you recommend to replace the current ones, Located in the center console?TIA
All I want is DEEP BASS that MOVE HUGE AIR!
I really like all your insight and wisdom. I bought subs because u said they were better so I could use some free one because I lost mine somebody stole them
And then the new solo X came along 🔥🔈🔥
I would like to see how digital design matches up
Which brand has cleaner bass? DD Audio or CT Sounds?
Always informative info. Enjoy the vids as always! Shake the pillars !!!
I know JL Audio subs are really expensive, but how do they compare?
I have an American Bass PH-4000MD 2000W RMS @1 ohm and a GBody (82 Monte Carlo) with room for a single 12”. Which of these would you choose and what type of enclosure for a box that has to fit in the cubby space in the very front of the trunk measuring 30” wide x 12” deep x 14” tall? The box has to fit between the hydraulic cylinders and can’t interfere with the pumps directly behind it, so I’m stuck in that space. Based on general airspace requirements, will a custom ported box fit there? Also, my budget for a single 12 is $600, so of you could suggest others I’d appreciate it. Thanks man.
Great video, glad to see the audiopipe make it onto the list
Really nice video brother, love watching you grow keep it up!!!