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@@DarrenAllatt this is the version i got iFlight ELRS 2.4GHz RX i know what goggles I am getting i was wondering if the radio master boxer would work with this system
The cost effectiveness of analog is a bigger deal to a lot of people than I think you realize. With any of the 4 digital options, using a digital vtx often more than doubles the cost to build the quad compared to analog
@@sergiodominguez9141a good set of analog goggles with rapid fire is probably as expensive, or slightly more than digital. However, a good analog camera and vtx is less than half the price of a digital setup. $30 per each, for top of the line camera and vtx. BnF’s are like 1/3 to 1/2 the price of digital too. There’s no lag or stuttering and it’s cheaper. If you’re running smaller quads like toothpicks and whoops, you’re going to be less afraid of crashing. You can fly them closer to the edge without crashing IMO. Also, analog is still a LOT lighter even when compared to the 1s Avatar and HDzero whoop board. It’s noticeable when flying. I started the summer flying Walksnail 2” 2s quads, and now I’m spending a lot more time flying analog 1s quads. I have more fun with the analog stuff. If you fly for the sensation you get from it, analog is still a really good choice.
@@DarrenAllatt Basically my takeaway from this is "I absolutely cannot live with any form of noise whatsoever", putting analog below HDZero for racing is literally just you being a little bitch about image quality. Not hard to tell which people in this hobby were the snobby fuckin' rich kids who never had to see life in the lower class.
Penetration of analog vs digital system is actually more similar than people think. Analog is just more noticeable (to most people) at first because it degrades image quality, whereas digital systems lose latency first. The defining factor on which to choose depends on how sensitive to latency you are. Latency jumping around drives me bonkers so analog / hdzero is my preference. I can't fly through dropped frames but I can still fly through a damn near lost image.
The exact same for me. I can fly through gaps with only snowy silhouettes visible. But with DJI I crash into them with the variable latency. The image looks nice though, but it doesn't help when it's too late.
It looks like, from this, and many other reviews, and user testimony, HDZero Goggles, w/ Walksnail Vrx Module & Analog Module, would be the best way to get yourself into all three circles of the Vin Diagram, without needing to have more than one goggle.
might need to do this video again.😊😊 mostly because of the hdzero freestyle v2 units and how many racers use them. I freestyle with dji and the variable latency when going farther behind objects can be a bit annoying to me personally.
I'm still not sold on hd, thing that kills me other than the price of all these hd systems, is nobody really elaborates on how big they are on the vtx side. Make sure you have the room for the fpv hd brick. The added weight, and how proprietary these system are is really nuts imo! I don't know if you stated the mw power of the analog vtx on your comparison, i am curious , think it would be important to know. Ive had great luck over the years with analog, and nothing is more versatile . You can fit it in anything, and choose the appropriate power output you need. Not going to be stuck spending a ton of money, just to turn around to buy it all again later on the next version 2, 3, 4...so on. And 5.8ghz is not the only flying frequency out there. The latency is really important to me, and if pennitration is an issue, get a higher power vtx and better antennas. I think its all a never ending money sucking cycle. I dont have to worry if it going to be around tomorrow, no company to say stop production. Analog still is the most versatile. I really dont need to count the blades of grass when i fly, or watch a movie through my googles bc I don't have time to when I fly lol Im still not sold on it all. I'll keep my money for now
I bought the HDZero Goggles, because of their open source outlook, and they really seem to be listening to the customers. DJI was great, and I still use it. DJI has great penetration, and the feed is very nice. But 1): I'd rather lower latency over better video feed & 2): I really hate DJI's proprietary mindset. I like how I can use HDZero to fly analog, HDZero, or even snap a Walksnail Vrx to them, if that is what I need. All of that _is_ money, for sure. But all that aside, if a person was considering an HD system, and I was to recommend one, it would be HDZero. You get to have analog, and the new Racev3-Vtx is about the size of a 20×20 flight controller. I think it only goes up to 200mw, so maybe wait a year, and see how they grow with product innovation, and as a company, before spending that money. Not trying to sell anything, just giving my personal experience, so others can get an idea of how an early adopter is feeling about the system, as it is now. I am currently building a 10-inch, heavy payload quad, for next season, and honestly, I am not yet decided if I will use analog for the pilot feed, or not. Will wait and see what the market has to offer, in ~March 2024.
Thanks for comparing. Since you cant have them all, unless money is not an issue, you might want one goggle that can manage two systems. The walksnail and DJI O3 goggles are completely locked in to their system and therefor incompatible. Most compatible today with awesome technology are the HDzero goggles. They are HDzero, walksnail and analog module compatible. JB recommends them in this regard. Now to people who have been in the game a little longer and dont need to decide which system to get into today: The existing DJI V2 goggles are still one of the best pick's. You dont really need to upgrade. It can do the DJI system original vista/ air unit and new O3. Also the DJI V2 goggles have an AV in, which allows you to run an analog receiver. So for people with the DJI v2 goggles there is probably no need to buy new goggles and system for over 1000 bucks. Also you should take in consideration in your ranking how these systems break up. Analog and HDzero you can see it slowly breaking up and it come back immediatly when the signal is there. Walksnail and DJI you notice the breakup pretty late and then all of a sudden it blacks out. The rebinding takes a few seconds. This can make all the difference if you crash or not. For me I'm sticking to the DJI V2 goggles with analog adapter. Maybe the HDzero goggle are tempting too. But having so many quads already, I'm going to save the money
Its a good comparison but people shouldn't really focus on the final score that much because it depends on the use cases. For example I mostly race and fly cinewhoops so for me a combination of analog + original DJI is perfect :) Might get a few o3 units for live broadcasting in the future
Very intersting indeed. One aspect that you didn't cover, was the fact the Dji have restrictions depending on where you live, related to where you can fly, and how high. For many, this must be a deal breaker. Great video. Thanks.
@@DarrenAllatt hi That was meant more as a joke, but I think a big advantage of the analog FPV system is that it is very cheap and lighter than some of the digital alternatives.
Good comparison video! Add light weight tiny whoops and it may change the results again. I currently fly analog and HD Zero. I haven't flown my DJI quads in more than 2 years. I also don't like the booting/setup time of some HD systems that feel as if you have a PC on your forehead.
Hi Darren, thanks for this vid. I'm DJI pilot and want to start FPV. I already bought a Jumper T20, but question is the goggles. I stay with analog. Which would be the better choice (approx same price) a Fatshark Scout or a Skyzone Cobra SD? (Just to fly around...) Thanks Christian
interesting take on it, but I'd guess it's not quite that simple since the "grade" really depends on the pilot and what they are doing with FPV. Well done on the video though, nice editing and presentation.
Thank you. And yes, what you have said is what I hope for people to get out the video is that there really isn’t one best system and that each system has strengths & weaknesses and that it’s really just up to what the pilot wants to prioritise in their choice of system.
I don't agree with range part when dji doesn't go as far. Imagine quality isn't good when the screen goes black. HDzero went 30km & walksnail 31km (walksnail actually still looked good) But penetration I think DJI beats them all. It's retransmission just helps so much. Walksnail retransmission doesn't seem as good. Think I'm with u with everything else
@DarrenAllatt oh the original maybe knock 1 letter cause it has the shortest range. New dji I'd knock down like 2 letter. Goes further but still 3rd distance of hdzero and walksnail
A~ thanx for the time n effot as usual i appreceate the long hrs n work to everyone who make videos ,this one has been an eye opener for sure, thanx again Darren!
With both walksnail and hdzero having "retrofit" options for a lot of analog googles, both could be viable options for those moving from the "entry-level" analog to digital with familiarity "in the hood". Though, it all boils down to how much a pilot wants to spend and how much they want to build a fleet in that ecosystem
Last year I was watching RUclips about FPV for couple month before I decided to commit to Walksnail as my first and the only system. That was even before they went to S1 and Receiver Module. It is still so enjoyable to realize day after day that it was a good move. Btw, since this video they also have released an upgraded vTX.
Nice comparison video, however I feel it wasn’t fair for analog system. The only thing analog lacks compared to digital systems is image quality, SD image quality of analog is still good enough for everything unless you specifically want to experience and fly HD. Cost, latency, compatibility, heat management, weight etc… it excels. Thanks ✌🏼
@@DarrenAllatt That's the problem with this ranking system... it's mixing too many paradigms. Range and penetration matter so little for outdoor freestyle where latency and cost of repair are paramount, making analog king. You need to see what's going on as rapidly as possible and you're going to crash taking risks and growing as a pilot. You really need to fully separate rankings for outdoor vs indoor, freestyle vs cinema.
Great video! Sugoi! I have been searching for some nice goggles to use with my Mavic 3 and RC pro, which one would you recommend to use just as HDMI input of the RC Pro? I’m not into FPV, probably will be using them only by HDMI! Greetings from Japan!
Arigato! From my quick research the DJI RC Pro outputs 1080p and 2k from the HDMI port, only the HDZero Goggles can receive 1080p through HDMI In. The Skyzone Sky04X may work with the 1080p kms out - it seems like you may be better off with VR Goggles than can handle the output
I own multiple analogue, HDZero and Walksnail setups for fixed wing. Can't speak for DJI since I only use Mavic and Phantom3 but Walksnail is a whole different world.
A good analysis that will serve a new buyer well. My rankings would be different, tho'. I rate start up cost bigly yugely, meaning analog is gonna win hands down. But that's me, and my choices. Darren's taking everyone into account, and he's done y'all a solid. You won't go wrong taking his advice.
Cool overview. Well encompassing. Having lived with all the systems, flight feel is most important to me so my ranking is 1. HDZero 2. Avatar and Analog 3. DJI (both rank the same) But it really depends on what you need. If you like looking at the beautiful scenery, are a crappy pilot, and fly by yourself O3 wins hands down. And for racing I perform significantly better with HDZero’s Runcam90 compared to analog, so that’s a clear win for me. Avatar has the best flight feel of the retransmission systems and you can fly with others, so it does really well in mixed company and social freestyle. DJI is super available everywhere, and even though flight feel is unacceptable to me, many fly it perfectly fine. Hey, at least we have choice! That is the true message, we had to suffer with DJI or analog not to long ago… literally last year :p I have improved greatly after graduating from those systems, they both were holding me back significantly and I just didn’t know better. So happy now!!!
Yeah, #1 for looking the closest to plain ole analog and costing one HELLA lot for the tiny improvement in image quality you get from plain ole analog! Good old ANALOG2! Yup, predicted you'd like the system that does so little over analog, YET COSTS SO DAMN MUCH - Especially when you make HDZero do analog and Walksnail - way, way over A THOUSAND BUCKS! Sheesh! THE WORST VALUE in all of FPV - Because you get so little improvements in image quality, penetration, and range with image clarity over analog....ESSENTIALLY NONE!
@@KOrnhOliO1 your value view is on point, as usual. It’s just that I literally have no choice… it’s only between analog or HDZero for racing, and the new 90hz stuff lets me lap upto 2 seconds faster AND more consistently than analog! I see why most are racing with it recently, there literally isn’t a choice if you want to do well… I generally fly 40-80+ packs every day, so it really, really matters to me. And flying HDZero is so much more pleasant than flying analog for hours, I always struggled with, and got a headache from analog, it was always so difficult for me, even from the beginning. But now flying on HDZero it is an absolute pleasure. 🤷♂️ to each their own, I guess? Some absolutely love analog and to them it’s perfect and doesn’t hold them back, at all, but I’m not a top 10 pilot, still a ways off, so it absolutely affects my performance! Value wise, you are right, it sucks ass, especially for the ones that don’t need it… but that’s like saying an 18 wheeler is bad value for the average person (it’s horrible value)… if you need it… it’s not about value, it’s what will get the job done. Avatar VRX is likely the best value if you have compatible goggles, or 100% the OG DJI system if starting from scratch, but there is more to FPV once you get past learning to fly… it gets much more specialized, and last year was an amazing year for video systems!!! O3, Avatar AND HDZero were all introduced to a very different audience, specializing in VERY different flight feel and behaviour. I really think you need to live with it for a while…. O3 for example really surprised me, I was set to run it for everything (except racing obviously), but I couldn’t deal with the poor flight feel… Quality is absolutely unmatched, but that’s not the only requirement for me, and it really was holding me back… that’s also why it hurt so bad, I really wanted to run the system and it just didn’t live up to my expectations, I’m literally still sad about it… that’s why I went over what is suitable for every type of pilot, according to my personal experience, in my post above. I always appreciate your view point, as we are into very different things, it keeps me more centred, because honestly, in racing especially, everything is SUPER canted to once side, for a reason mind you (as that’s where the performance lies)… but you always help me get out of myself and see the bigger picture. I mean it’s not just the runny nose racers, I see the freestyle fanatics, and long range lunatics view points as I am part of those groups as well… and I can safely say… the dogma is real at times😜 Some jump on the newest hotness and test everything and some don’t want anything to change… all kinds of amazing people, I love them all! Look at the toroidal propeller fad that’s currently unfolding, it’s so much fun to observe this community sometimes, I’m so happy to be part of it!!! It has changed my life for the positive, that’s why I try to get people in and help them learn, it has given me so much!! And I do my best to give back as much as I can. Thank you.
@@lemonsquareFPV racing must be a new passion for you. not into it at all...so repetitive and too competitive. yes, hdzero and analog would be best for racing. but, not for much else, imo. i'm so over so much snow, not being able to fly around objects, heck not around a corner of a building, and having no range with a clear image. i've moved on from both analogs and the performance they give us. i'm beyond the suck! lol
@@KOrnhOliO1 Both analogs 🤣😜 nice 👍🏻 legit made me giggle. Lots of places are starting to do digital racing, just makes it a bit more complicated with making sure everyone is flying clean, and much harder when you can’t just see everyone’s feeds all at the same time, on a single screen, kinda important when money is on the line and a second can be the difference between $100 and $5000+. If DJI or Caddx wanted they can easily make it happen today, seems like Caddx is actually working on this… which is pretty exciting!!! Picture digital racing in massive industrial/forest/whatever interesting venues, with 2km+ track lengths! That would be nuts! We’ll get there! This is in no way the end of this technology’s development!!! Imagine what it would be like in 5 years, imagine how it was 5 years ago! It’s only getting faster and better by the second! Look at DJIs picture quality between their two systems, just a few years apart! Literally amazing quality difference, I still can’t believe it’s real! Still upset they didn’t make the rest of O3 as good as I wanted, but whatever, I can’t blame them for my weird brains perception to latency 😜, in a couple of years we’ll probably have our minds blown again!!! Yeah, I have really started getting into racing, I love the social aspect of this hobby in general, wether it’s chasing each other, especially when with more than 2-3 people, and just screwing around shredding a spot (🥰 so good 😊) or racing… which is super similar, especially with a good natural venue or warehouse or industrial park and not just an empty field… I really don’t like those, thankfully they are not common in our circle. Also my practice setup is so much fun, I have natural obstacles with a gorge, river, tall trees, short trees, tons of plants, boulders, logs, branches, huge elevation changes… I made natural gates and tunnels and stuff. It’s literally a dream to fly for me, if it was an open field I would go crazy the first week 😜 I’m not that kind of person! And I can really enjoy the environment… especially with Avatar, it’s quite the system, I still can’t get over the sheer consistency! It blew my mind when I first tried it! I couldn’t believe how hard I can push it, and not feel like it’s massively holding me back. I wish DJI would fix flying with others and the latency on O3, if they do, man, I’ll rebuy all that stuff in a heartbeat, but I’ll likely have to wait for O4 in a couple of years. Also isn’t it nice that we have so much choice now, how crappy would it be if it was just analog and analog2 😜, with an extra side of snow… likely you won’t be as happy? We are so lucky! And it’s only gonna get better! Thanks for everything. I’m really happy with this amazing thing we call FPV, no matter how we all do it! It’s all cool. Again… just imagine how it was 5 years ago!!! 🤯 I’m happy now, but also super excited about the future!
@@DarrenAllatt Yes, in that respect only analogue is compatible. All others are not. Where as hdzero is also open source. So theoretically it is also hdzero. But there are probably only a few manufacturers who release hdzero googles and VTXs so far...
I think the v2 dji goggles should be a F for ease to use if u use any of the dji air units (except 03) because you have to change the firmware on your goggles and the units which a lot of people dont know
Not sure if I'm fanboy-ing, but I really can't understand some points on the O3. "just plug it in and hit update" -> setup C rating? There is also just the goggles and O3 which you usually just plug into the fc, how is that more complex than all the different modules and cameras for other systems? Cost F because you can get receivers for other systems for cheap ... but I'm not an android that can see hdmi, comparable goggles with antennas aren't much cheaper? Recording is not mentioned at all, despite many many people having extra cameras on their quads. It's also the first time I've heard that O3 has worse penetration compared to Original DJI and Walksnail, but I can't personally attest to that. I also don't get why you mention 3 channels multiple times. If that is CE mode, there is no way other systems have the penetration and range of O3 and in FCC mode goggles 2 have 7 25mhz channels and I regulary fly with analog and original DJI in a 2m radius around me.
There is one big point you missed, video recording quality, and i am sure 03 air unit would win hands down, as it has up to 4k 120fps plus rock steady Stabilization without the need of a heavy external camera, does the walksnail have inbuilt Stabilization? this was one of the most important reasons i purchased the 03 system.
@@quadthingcopter5984 the new avatar cameras have a gyro in them so you get a gyro file as well as dvr for the onboard Video to stabilise in gyroflow from that as opposed to trying to use black box. Most pilots use a GoPro anyway so it’s kind of void if you are
main problem with the 03 goggle is the 100hz display vs the 144 on the v1 and v2s. if you tested both you cant use the 03 for anything fast or it WILL drop frames leaving a jagged motion video that makes most ppl go wtf is this?
Good video. I have O3, HDZ, and WS and in general prefer HDZ. When I'm just cruising on a fine evening or going mid range, I'll use Goggles 2+O3 because it looks great. WS for me works best with an external monitor because I have the VRX, so I just plug in the HDMI to a monitor and cruise around that way.
Interesting results but I think regarding overall feelings of pilots it's not there... I think the real battle it's against hdzero and original dji (regarding cost, latency, reliability of the signal) and pilots will choose one of them more likely than O3 or walksnail. So putting walksnail on the top and original DJI on the bottom seems to me just pure number imo...
Walksnail at the top and Original DJI at the bottom was just how the total scores fell at the end, not how I would have ranked them if I was to rank them personally- but it was rather an objective rank.
@@DarrenAllatt hi, it’s not new I suppose however one of your conns for HDzero was the fact that it was limited to 200mw hence my comment about the 1000mw VTX they have. Enjoyed your video though. 👍
@@DarrenAllatt if I misheard you or didn’t quite catch something I apologise in advance. Not here to give anyone trouble mate. I am currently deciding if I should lock myself into DJI or rather go with HDZero with the option of the WS VRX for some diversity.
@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep no offence taken. What goggles do you have now? If they have HDMI, maybe try both HDZ and WS through their own respective VRX’s and see how you go
Hello, very useful comparison and the Walksnail sistem is looking very attractive for me for the usage im going to do, but there's something in Walksnail that doesn't convince me completely, and I think those inconvenience may be overcome with a Walksnail avatar V2's... Do you think a Walksnail goggles V2 is coming out soon?
@@DarrenAllatt ok based on videos and reviews since I am in a place in the world where I have to know very well what I am buying, I see 3 drawbacks with Walksnail, 1. the quality of the video is not at the point that I would say wow I want that, 2. the way the video is cut off due to low signal, a friend has the Walksnail VRX and when the signal is low it loses the video in a terrifying way, 3. the incompatibility with video input because everyone here uses analog and it is very important to me use analog to see the flight of others... even so, Walksnail is the one that best suits what I do and the price is what I can, I think that this can be corrected with a new version, that's why I ask if there will be a version 2 in development? thank you 👍
@@cyborgfpv7361 what would you hope a new version to have? 1. When you say "video quality" is not wow - was that based upon your friend's WS system, who is using a VRX and Analog Goggles? Which Analog Google does he have? I bet there not 1080p OLED screens, even if they're Skyzone 04'x the resolution is 1280x960, which is 60% of the quality of 1080p 2. Except for HDZ, both DJI and WS cut off the same, they go blocky and then boom, you are done. That's not going to change. 3. They won't be adding Analog input into any next version of the goggles. that ship has sailed.
@@DarrenAllatt OH I hope the Google's make a difference with the VRX and a external screen for planes where friend uses it. Ok I guess I'm going for it thanks Darren that's what I wanted to know and you explained it.
Great work and well done compression, I really like your approach . I’m using the Walksnail VRX with Skyzone 04x and I enjoy the image quality but the penetration can be better … but I must say that I’m pretty happy with the price performance of the system.
I had a question wondering if you.could help me I wanted to grab the cinelog 20 with the elrs reciever and boxer radio I can still use the integra goggles since it has the o3 unit built in
Yes you can use ELRS with the DJI O3 version of the Cinelog 20. ELRS + Boxer is a Radio Link which is completely seperate to DJI O3 which is a video system (even though it can do control if you have the DJI FPV Remote)
I chose DJI and I love the image quality. But if you still want to fly tinywhoops, a decent pair of analog goggles pays for itself quickly. You can get some great little analog rippers for $100-$130 USD. Using digital doubles the cost of each of them. With Wasp and vista being phased out, using DJI 03 triples the cost.
Ok, so HD-Zero is just the video system, it's seperate to the Radio and Receiver that's on your drone. For HD-Zero: Goggles wise, you can get one of the following: - HD-Zero Goggles, - Emax Transporter HD Goggles - HD-Zero VRX + Analog Goggles with HDMI Port For a Radio, I recommend the Radiomaster Boxer ExpressLRS Drones, well I'd recommend starting with the BetaFPV Meteor 75 HD-Zero ExpressLRS
@Darren Allatt So is TBS compatible with the HD zero goggle and that radio? What abiut ELRS 2.4 vs 915 hz?. If I was to buy an iflight Nazgul 5", which configuration would I choose?
@@rkwjunior2298 Video Systems and Radio Systems are completely separate, they don't need to be "compatible" as they don't effect each other. That being said, ELRS has an integration with HD-Zero goggles, that doesn't make them compatible, it means there is an integration. TBS doesn't have that same integration because they are closed ecosystem. ELRS 2.4ghz as 900mhz in 2023 is not necessary, back prior to ELRS when you only had FRSKY that would failsafe 100m away, yeah 900mhz was the go. Today, 2.4ghz iFlight don't sell a HD-Zero version of the Nazgul, only DJI Original or DJI O3. If you'd like the Nazgul equivalent in HD-Zero then: - Foxeer Aura 5" Freestyle RTF - Green or Grey, up to you - RHCP - ELRS - 2306.5 1850kv - HD-Zero is the configuration This will work with HD-Zero Goggles and the Radiomaster Boxer ELRS
I really liked your comparison of all the systems. I think it is the only one on youtube at the moment. You gave good categories and it was very informative with lots of content from others, too, to support YOUR ranking. In some categories I would rank them a little bit different and it is always gonna be very SUBJECTIVE how different things are gonna be ranked. BUT all in all YOUR ranking is alright ;) Your Japanese marking was messing with me though :D nothing against it, especially because you explained it, but it is just weird to me :D :D :D
I have the DJI FPV with goggles V2 and while the picture quality is great, I still prefer flying my analog system for a few reasons. 1- I feel comfortable flying without the constant fear of "don't crash, it'll be expensive" 2- If I break it, I can fix it and quickly 3- Love and hate relationship with DJI
Thanks for this very interesting video. I'm using HDZERO since it was the first to offer HD on tiny whoops and these are the drones I fly the most. Since I don't have other HD systems at hand I always wondered how HDZERO compares to other regarding power consumption / flight times. I suppose that the bigger the build, the lower is the percentage of energy spent in the HD processing but I never read about real world tests. When you see how much heat is dissipated by the VTX and HD camera, this may also orientates the selection for lighter builds.
I dont think people really consider whether or not an extra 10 to 20 seconds of flight time between one digital system and another because of power consumption differences. Rather the weight of the system has a bigger impact on flight times than power draw. Further, most pilots are looking at image quality and flight feel
@@DarrenAllatt Thanks for you answer ! On a 1S Whoop, 20 seconds of flight time is significant ;-) On a larger drone, sure 10 or 20 seconds isn't important. But is it really only 10 or 20 seconds ? We have no idea of the efficiency of these systems. The only info we have is the power at the antenna. I have the feeling that in these digital systems, most of the power isn't drawn by the TX itself because of the amount of heat being dissipated. I expect analog and then HDZERO to be the lowest power hogs since analog has nearly no processing at all, and both analog and HDZERO communicate in a single direction, there is no RX, no retransmission of missing data. In the end if the difference is 10% of the flight time it may matter.
Why does the FPV community keep using the term penetration? With the same wavelength and power output the penetration is equal. It's not about penetration, it's about reception. How sensitive is the system and thus can it make use of the information received? Nothing against this video. Good content.
You raise a fair point. I guess its easier to say whether a system's broadcast can penetrate the different obstacles in the way so the goggles can receive it.
Appreciate the entertainment value for sure but kind of felt like the weighting was way off. Weighting them for freestyle and cinematic would have been ideal as that is what most people who fly will be doing with these systems. Long range and (serious) racing is something you really need to build for and kind of niche applications. I think just describing your experiences with and thoughts about them would have been better.
@@DarrenAllatt For me personally I would recommend DJI for most people as you get support for both "Vista" and O3 (except V1 gpggles) with good performance all around. Walksnail seems like a decent DJI "Vista" alternative and appears to also offer all around performance plus better tinywhoop options. Analog for those on a budget and racing. Not hard to find an analog version of most BNFs. HDzero goggles are super cool but the system itself is in a weird spot feature wise where I can't see any instance where I would recommend it over any of the others.
I agree with almost all of what you've said; if I was 'recommending' to someone what to get, that's how my recommendations would probably go as well, except for HD-Zero. HD-Zero is something where if you are an Analog pilot and hate DJI & Walksnail and want a higher resolution version of your analog setup, then HD-Zero is right for you.
@@DarrenAllatt I think you nailed it. There is an emotional component that plays a part here that I am not putting into my rankings. I love what Carl is doing with HDZero and want to support it but cannot con myself into thinking it is better because I want to support it. I know there are people who hate DJI or have some hang-ups with Walksnail but those are personal preferences that everyone has to sort out for themselves.
Wait a second.. the original DJI v2 goggles are cheaper than the HDZero or walksnail goggles. Add to that the fact that the DJI v2 goggles come with antennas and a battery which you'd have to buy completely separate on the HDZero system.
Video systems a relatable to the old concept of cars being three categories, good, fast, cheap. You can be cheap and fast but it wont be good or you can be good and cheap but you wont be fast.
This video is a good idea, BUT, you cannot rank systems without applying a perfectly controlled environment : such as, antenna used, batteries, quads, etc. You cannot just take 1000 different tests out there and compile them and applying a score out of that and hope for something that fits. It's biased which make this video sadly incorrect. BUT It explains a lot of stuff clearly, the results are what they are, and will bring a lot of hate, but you clearly detach your self from them and stating you don't even own walksnail should be kinda reassuring for the haters about the results. Keep the good job going tho! And just out of curiosity, what is YOUR overall rank of these systems?
Thank you! Yes I agree we could apply more controlled tests to each to come to a more accurate score for each. Although that’s a time and money issue unfortunately. How I’d rank the systems? Well that’s nuanced to the use case and the person. For a beginner who’s just starting, I’d recommend them to go with analog to learn FPV, and save the extra funds from goggles and VTX on batteries and a decent radio. It also allows them to fly as much as they can from whoops to freestyle, racing and long range - this allows them to work out what kind of flying they like the most, then they can do into a digital system that is right for them. If HDZero get their image quality and penetration solved to a standard that’s comparable with DJI Original (they won’t ever do re-transmission of lost packets but can do something to lesson the pain of the break) then I’d think that’s the best “all round” as in does everything reasonably well (racing, freestyle, micros, long range). I think a lot of people don’t get into racing once they’ve gone DJI or Walksnail as it would cost too much to get HDZero and they won’t want to go back to analog. It’s a shame, racing even if you have no aspirations of being MCK is great skill developer for freestyle & cinematic. Look at Vannover, racing helped him get on a Michael Bay film. I’d like to see Walksnail do a racing mode, which doesn’t do RE-transmission and goggles don’t transmit, that would then be the best system for most pilots. But DJI could do the same as well, except they need a solution for micros I’m not set on any one system being the one to recommend at the moment without considering nuance.
@@DarrenAllatt I think this answer should have been in the video cause it s a perfect conclusion and it s pretty objective. From all I have seen I don see much more difference between hdzero and others in term of signal reception (penetration) but the small breakups are more noticable due to the snow. As an open source, hdzero could I think build different configuration to be near as good as ws or DJI in term of image quality. But it LL take time.
Fully agree on the ranking, I have all goggles except the O3. You should have mentioned the fit of the googles. I don't like my DJI v2, d they are like straping a toilet seat to your face, but some might like it
naaa HDzero goggle win for sure. . . race and freestyle use HDzero. .btw that micro quad is awesome in hdzero longrange for dive in the mount just use analog never fail me. .
My opinion is for tinywhoop walksnail is killing, in another hand foe any above that dji is the winner, so for the creators to go with that, for hobbyists and having fun like me going with anlog is more than enough, I have DJI though it is interesting but in most situations you will need gopro / additional camera , so still analog is the best choice to have fun and affordable cost, IF I thinking to be a creational pilot I will go for walksnail and dji / for fun analog, There is no space or reason to go with HD zero ,…. For me at least
I thought walksnail has worse breakup compared to all, according to other youtube content. why you think otherwise and gave it 4-5-5 while analog is 4-1-1? Im confused.
The original firmware Walksnail launched, yes, it wad the worst breakup. However the last couple of firmware releases the breakup isn't noticeable. Before I gave the scores, I knew I had the judge Walksnail on the latest release, not the initial release, hence why it scored the way it did.
@@DarrenAllatt thanks 👍🏻 seems still has lot of latency as VRX for my ORQA.. I think they didn't bought ImmersionRC just for fun; i hope we see "promised" ORQA digital soon.. 😩
@@alperenozgur On the Oscar Liang Walksnail Avatar VRX site is a list of analog goggles latencies. Orqa is 2nd last with 52ms, better are HDO2 for example.
Then for image quality you give HDZero a C. If you have 5 systems you need 5 levels of rating. Otherwise you can manipulate the tests to not count as much.
No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating. This is the standard rating system you can see used right across RUclips on your typical rating videos. And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have the ratings based upon my preferences and what I determined their ratings to be. If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them. Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different
No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating. This is the standard rating system you can see used right across RUclips on your typical rating videos. And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have my reasons as to why I rated each system that way for each segment. For example, I don’t care if analog can go 400kms but you have to use 1.3ghz with a 500w TX, it’s 5.8ghz on what we have access to for our typical use case. I have the ratings based upon what I determined their ratings to be. If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them. Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different
@@DarrenAllatt in the tier scale….you mentioned “original DJI goggles” (V1). Just wanted to know was the V2 including or Excluding in the “original DJI goggles”.
I've only been flying for almost a year now, I started with fatshark dominator v6 goggles and Analog everything, for me analog was fine with a good vtx and camera its ok picture quality but with that a good vtx is 60-70 bucks a good camera is 30-50 bucks then you have to solder/ setup all these vtx tables and channels and everything not the easiest thing for new flyer's to figure out after trying my buddy's dji setup with a caddx nebula pro i went next day bought some dji goggles v2 and 3 vistas and swapped all my quads to digital and never looked back analog is like watching an old TV your grandma may have had layong around that barely worked and dji is like watching 4k tv with no issues 🤣 comparing these systems are silly hd zero is just analog with digital break up 😅 walk snail is a straight up copy of dji just slapped there name on it and changed it too worse image quality so yeah these are all opinions but i feel there fair, dji wins for me at first i didnt want to be a dji fan boy but after suffering thru analog for so long i have mad respect for how good dji just works plus the 03 air unit isnt that big at all plus getting able to record better vid then most of yall with a old asf gorpo hero session 5 lol unless your racing there's zero need for analog or tiny whoopin i suppose even then ive seen some 1.5 inch quads with a vista so ehh i can go without little itty bitty quads they seem like more of a gimic then flying the real thing.
In every catagorie but price. In Germany a set of Goggles 2 and a single air unit is slightly over €1100. Much higher than all other competition. I wish I could justify it though 😂
Lmao. Image quality? Yeah, analog can be "pretty good". Racing? Nah, analog image is "trash" (direct quotes). Also, HDZero has far worse penetration than analog, watt for watt. Nevermind the fact that you can get 2.5w analog VTXs for less money than the 1w HDZero VTX.
Great video Darren. So what you’re saying is HDZero Goggles + WS VRX = absolute best way to go 😂. Will be interesting to run these tests again when HDZero bring out 1080p, penetration mode and firmware updating over WiFi.
Maybe one day that system will get a A ranking bt it still has issues that is being addressed and ANALOG is still used by the majority of the FPV community even by those who have HD systems so sniveling Darrens claim is not true and when that was stated he gets angry when anyone disagrees with him so beware he will threaten to block anyone who does !!!
Hey Robert, yes you are right the HDZero goggles have analog compatibility, same as the DJI FPV Goggles v1 and v2; however I’m afraid this video is ranking the system in its entirety and not just a feature of the goggles. You raise a fair point for goggle compatibility
Why is bro roasting analogue the image quality isn’t that bad as he makes out, the latency is much better than any digital system and the range/penetration is the same as digital as they all use 5.8ghz, you just need good antennae
I generally agree. When I was researching for this video, I found that in the recent firmware versions the colour and dynamic range has been pretty good, the difference really came down to resolution.
im no closer to making a decision after this video. no fault of yours, it's just impossible to decide. 100% analog is out, not even considering it, could never convince me to consider it. HDzero would be my choice if the penetration wasn't so ass. Like that's a big deal, when ur flying around, freestyling, having that terrible penetration really prevents what u can do. dji is the apple of the fpv world. I am almost writing them off like analog because I don't want to buy goggles and then have them not compatible with the new vtx that comes out. Theres no way in hell im buying 600$ goggles every single time a new vtx comes out. Its pretty much a 100% no on dji. I guess that leaves walksnail. Their firmware is just ass, the most recent vtx that just came out is 2watts and doesn't beat the penetration and range of the 03 system from dji, which is about to be replaced by the 04 system which is gonna be even better yet. I love the idea of walksnail, but holy fuck they can be jank. Goggles are jank, heard many horror stories about them. There is literally no easy option here.
That’s a product decision DJI have made. I’m sure when they were planning out the roadmap of features and compatibility, supporting OSD for other flight control systems was on it and I would Dessay. They probably made an assessment based upon marketshare and decided against it. But that’s the right as a business owner to do so The good news is, there are two other digital systems which are more than happy to support OSD from other flight control systems, so that put you in a position to make an informed decision about who you want to give you money to
Range needs to be "With Clarity". Cuz some of us don't give a RATS ASS about flying way up high for as far as we can go! Why is that fun? You're up a thousand or many more feet and you're obviously flying around nothing, just cruising as far as you can go. How is there any fun to that?! I've never gotten it, still don't and will argue forever with anyone about why that is A TOTALLY AND UTTERLY BORING! If you want to se how far you can go without losing your gear, fine. But, that's not something fun or exciting after you've done it once! Most least favorite thing in FPV. Why not see how far you can fly going somewhere close to land and while you can still get clear video? Much more useful to me, because lots of these long range test are so full of snow I could care less about any of them! A total waste of time!
Pushing something youve built with your own hands to a place where failure results in complete loss (for example up a mountain or across a sea) is far more exciting than looping a tree or broken wall 10m from where your standing. Flying LR is about mixed emotions. I often have to remind myself to calmly breathe so I dont misread a vital piece of osd info. Miscalculating your remaining battery, or not acknowledging a change in wind speed could be catasrophic. Flying LR with analog requires more balls than any freestyle flight will ever need.
@@tmc-fpv Yeah, but it's simply not FUN! 🤦♂You're confusing FUN with ANXIETY, STRESS, BEING NERVOUS...I get enough of those emotions in regular life already! That's THE LAST thing I want is MORE ANXIETY! I'm trying to fly places where I have LE chance of losing my quad and investment! Not More!!! Plus, way up in the open sky flying straight to get as far as you can....HECK! You could fly that with one hand on the sticks....ERRRR.....NO HANDS ON THE STICKS! Doing long range is what WINGS WERE MADE FOR! Not drones!!!! B O R I N G ! 🥴🥱💯
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just started getting into fpv i was wondering how you know which goggles and controllers are compatible with my drone
@@rubyruby5710 what drone do you have ?
@@DarrenAllatt iFlight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 F5X V2 Squadshed X Analog 6S 5 Inch
@@rubyruby5710 any Analog goggles will be compatible. Did you get the PNP, ExpressLRS, Crossfire or FRSKY version
@@DarrenAllatt this is the version i got iFlight ELRS 2.4GHz RX i know what goggles I am getting i was wondering if the radio master boxer would work with this system
The cost effectiveness of analog is a bigger deal to a lot of people than I think you realize. With any of the 4 digital options, using a digital vtx often more than doubles the cost to build the quad compared to analog
Absolutely agree, and feel the cost was representative fairly as pure dollars and not value for money.
well if you add a rapid fire a good camera a good vtx its similar to digital
Also just feels like for freestyle latency is way more important... not to mention costs of repair... which again puts analog on top.
@@sergiodominguez9141a good set of analog goggles with rapid fire is probably as expensive, or slightly more than digital. However, a good analog camera and vtx is less than half the price of a digital setup. $30 per each, for top of the line camera and vtx. BnF’s are like 1/3 to 1/2 the price of digital too.
There’s no lag or stuttering and it’s cheaper. If you’re running smaller quads like toothpicks and whoops, you’re going to be less afraid of crashing. You can fly them closer to the edge without crashing IMO. Also, analog is still a LOT lighter even when compared to the 1s Avatar and HDzero whoop board. It’s noticeable when flying.
I started the summer flying Walksnail 2” 2s quads, and now I’m spending a lot more time flying analog 1s quads. I have more fun with the analog stuff. If you fly for the sensation you get from it, analog is still a really good choice.
@@DarrenAllatt Basically my takeaway from this is "I absolutely cannot live with any form of noise whatsoever", putting analog below HDZero for racing is literally just you being a little bitch about image quality. Not hard to tell which people in this hobby were the snobby fuckin' rich kids who never had to see life in the lower class.
Penetration of analog vs digital system is actually more similar than people think.
Analog is just more noticeable (to most people) at first because it degrades image quality, whereas digital systems lose latency first.
The defining factor on which to choose depends on how sensitive to latency you are. Latency jumping around drives me bonkers so analog / hdzero is my preference.
I can't fly through dropped frames but I can still fly through a damn near lost image.
Each to their own. I can’t do snow.
@@DarrenAllatt exactly yeah.
The exact same for me. I can fly through gaps with only snowy silhouettes visible. But with DJI I crash into them with the variable latency. The image looks nice though, but it doesn't help when it's too late.
@@metefpv right yeah. The variable latency screws with me bad as well.
because ANALOG is still KING and will not be removed anytime soon and Sniveling Darren can't handle that fact
It looks like, from this, and many other reviews, and user testimony, HDZero Goggles, w/ Walksnail Vrx Module & Analog Module, would be the best way to get yourself into all three circles of the Vin Diagram, without needing to have more than one goggle.
can you please specify more the items, what item is the analog module, which VRX module you recommend? thx
might need to do this video again.😊😊
mostly because of the hdzero freestyle v2 units and how many racers use them.
I freestyle with dji and the variable latency when going farther behind objects can be a bit annoying to me personally.
I'm still not sold on hd, thing that kills me other than the price of all these hd systems, is nobody really elaborates on how big they are on the vtx side. Make sure you have the room for the fpv hd brick. The added weight, and how proprietary these system are is really nuts imo! I don't know if you stated the mw power of the analog vtx on your comparison, i am curious , think it would be important to know. Ive had great luck over the years with analog, and nothing is more versatile . You can fit it in anything, and choose the appropriate power output you need. Not going to be stuck spending a ton of money, just to turn around to buy it all again later on the next version 2, 3, 4...so on. And 5.8ghz is not the only flying frequency out there. The latency is really important to me, and if pennitration is an issue, get a higher power vtx and better antennas. I think its all a never ending money sucking cycle. I dont have to worry if it going to be around tomorrow, no company to say stop production. Analog still is the most versatile. I really dont need to count the blades of grass when i fly, or watch a movie through my googles bc I don't have time to when I fly lol Im still not sold on it all. I'll keep my money for now
I bought the HDZero Goggles, because of their open source outlook, and they really seem to be listening to the customers. DJI was great, and I still use it. DJI has great penetration, and the feed is very nice. But 1): I'd rather lower latency over better video feed & 2): I really hate DJI's proprietary mindset. I like how I can use HDZero to fly analog, HDZero, or even snap a Walksnail Vrx to them, if that is what I need. All of that _is_ money, for sure. But all that aside, if a person was considering an HD system, and I was to recommend one, it would be HDZero. You get to have analog, and the new Racev3-Vtx is about the size of a 20×20 flight controller. I think it only goes up to 200mw, so maybe wait a year, and see how they grow with product innovation, and as a company, before spending that money. Not trying to sell anything, just giving my personal experience, so others can get an idea of how an early adopter is feeling about the system, as it is now. I am currently building a 10-inch, heavy payload quad, for next season, and honestly, I am not yet decided if I will use analog for the pilot feed, or not. Will wait and see what the market has to offer, in ~March 2024.
Thanks for comparing. Since you cant have them all, unless money is not an issue, you might want one goggle that can manage two systems.
The walksnail and DJI O3 goggles are completely locked in to their system and therefor incompatible.
Most compatible today with awesome technology are the HDzero goggles. They are HDzero, walksnail and analog module compatible. JB recommends them in this regard.
Now to people who have been in the game a little longer and dont need to decide which system to get into today:
The existing DJI V2 goggles are still one of the best pick's. You dont really need to upgrade. It can do the DJI system original vista/ air unit and new O3. Also the DJI V2 goggles have an AV in, which allows you to run an analog receiver.
So for people with the DJI v2 goggles there is probably no need to buy new goggles and system for over 1000 bucks.
Also you should take in consideration in your ranking how these systems break up. Analog and HDzero you can see it slowly breaking up and it come back immediatly when the signal is there.
Walksnail and DJI you notice the breakup pretty late and then all of a sudden it blacks out. The rebinding takes a few seconds. This can make all the difference if you crash or not.
For me I'm sticking to the DJI V2 goggles with analog adapter.
Maybe the HDzero goggle are tempting too. But having so many quads already, I'm going to save the money
Well said. I think the V2’s are the better of the two goggles for DJI because you get the lowest latency on O3.
Its a good comparison but people shouldn't really focus on the final score that much because it depends on the use cases. For example I mostly race and fly cinewhoops so for me a combination of analog + original DJI is perfect :) Might get a few o3 units for live broadcasting in the future
I agree, although you could probably do WS with the VRX and analog to just have 1 set of goggles.
@@DarrenAllatt But then I wouldn't be able to use O3 :) OG DJI still has a lot to offer
Very intersting indeed. One aspect that you didn't cover, was the fact the Dji have restrictions depending on where you live, related to where you can fly, and how high. For many, this must be a deal breaker. Great video. Thanks.
I think he hates analog
he?
You know, I have a name.. it's Darren.
No, I dont hate analog. But when you have 3-4 Amazing HD Solutions to choose from, why choose analog?
@@DarrenAllatt hi That was meant more as a joke, but I think a big advantage of the analog FPV system is that it is very cheap and lighter than some of the digital alternatives.
@@DarrenAllatt Tinywhoops, and HD systems adding 140 dollars onto every quad.
@@SpinningDoors it's more like 100,- for walksnail. Walksnail nano kit fits in tinywhoops or toothpicks and is even cheaper.
Good comparison video! Add light weight tiny whoops and it may change the results again. I currently fly analog and HD Zero. I haven't flown my DJI quads in more than 2 years. I also don't like the booting/setup time of some HD systems that feel as if you have a PC on your forehead.
Good call! Yeah agree with that. But that’s what it is unfortunately for a few more years. Goggles 2 are pretty light weight
Hi Darren, thanks for this vid. I'm DJI pilot and want to start FPV. I already bought a Jumper T20, but question is the goggles. I stay with analog. Which would be the better choice (approx same price) a Fatshark Scout or a Skyzone Cobra SD? (Just to fly around...) Thanks Christian
interesting take on it, but I'd guess it's not quite that simple since the "grade" really depends on the pilot and what they are doing with FPV. Well done on the video though, nice editing and presentation.
Thank you. And yes, what you have said is what I hope for people to get out the video is that there really isn’t one best system and that each system has strengths & weaknesses and that it’s really just up to what the pilot wants to prioritise in their choice of system.
@@DarrenAllatt would be nice to have it all in 1 goggle. i see now wwhy alot of people end up with more than 1 pair!
@@MichaelRogersJesusrules I agree, HD-Zero Goggles are the closed to an All In One, as you can have an analog module and walksnail VRX.
I don't agree with range part when dji doesn't go as far. Imagine quality isn't good when the screen goes black. HDzero went 30km & walksnail 31km (walksnail actually still looked good)
But penetration I think DJI beats them all. It's retransmission just helps so much. Walksnail retransmission doesn't seem as good.
Think I'm with u with everything else
What letter would you have given DJI original ?
@DarrenAllatt oh the original maybe knock 1 letter cause it has the shortest range. New dji I'd knock down like 2 letter. Goes further but still 3rd distance of hdzero and walksnail
ANALOG is still KING and most are still using it even with HD systems that says volumes in and of itself
The video done the way we all want to see it, well done
A~ thanx for the time n effot as usual i appreceate the long hrs n work to everyone who make videos ,this one has been an eye opener for sure, thanx again Darren!
Thanks Michael! Glad you didn’t give me a Fuka!
But his end claim is not true as ANALOG is still KING
With both walksnail and hdzero having "retrofit" options for a lot of analog googles, both could be viable options for those moving from the "entry-level" analog to digital with familiarity "in the hood". Though, it all boils down to how much a pilot wants to spend and how much they want to build a fleet in that ecosystem
Last year I was watching RUclips about FPV for couple month before I decided to commit to Walksnail as my first and the only system. That was even before they went to S1 and Receiver Module. It is still so enjoyable to realize day after day that it was a good move. Btw, since this video they also have released an upgraded vTX.
Yes I saw. Being in Australia. We are last to get everything
Nice comparison video, however I feel it wasn’t fair for analog system. The only thing analog lacks compared to digital systems is image quality, SD image quality of analog is still good enough for everything unless you specifically want to experience and fly HD. Cost, latency, compatibility, heat management, weight etc… it excels. Thanks ✌🏼
How about range & penetration?
ANALOG is still KING and used by the majority of the FPV community and sniveler Darren can not handle that fact...bah ha ha ha
@@DarrenAllatt That's the problem with this ranking system... it's mixing too many paradigms. Range and penetration matter so little for outdoor freestyle where latency and cost of repair are paramount, making analog king. You need to see what's going on as rapidly as possible and you're going to crash taking risks and growing as a pilot. You really need to fully separate rankings for outdoor vs indoor, freestyle vs cinema.
@@FlyingBuzzardyou better stay analog dude 😂
@@Michelsen3K Appears the majority of the community is analog and even those who spent Huge $$ for HD still revert back to analog and often....Dude
Great video! Sugoi! I have been searching for some nice goggles to use with my Mavic 3 and RC pro, which one would you recommend to use just as HDMI input of the RC Pro? I’m not into FPV, probably will be using them only by HDMI!
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From my quick research the DJI RC Pro outputs 1080p and 2k from the HDMI port, only the HDZero Goggles can receive 1080p through HDMI In. The Skyzone Sky04X may work with the 1080p kms out - it seems like you may be better off with VR Goggles than can handle the output
Bruce Wayne wants to know: _Do they come in black?_
Thanks for the video drone maestro Allat.
@DarrenAllatt Which FatShark model was that?
I own multiple analogue, HDZero and Walksnail setups for fixed wing. Can't speak for DJI since I only use Mavic and Phantom3 but Walksnail is a whole different world.
Would you say you prefer walksnail over hdzero then, I trying to go for freestyle/cinematic
@@antonioruan2812 I fly fixed wing long range stuff so it’s mainly about video quality for me. HDZero was a failure in that regard.
I have just got WS and have HDZ so be doing a video soon comparing all 3 for Freestyoe
A good analysis that will serve a new buyer well. My rankings would be different, tho'. I rate start up cost bigly yugely, meaning analog is gonna win hands down. But that's me, and my choices. Darren's taking everyone into account, and he's done y'all a solid. You won't go wrong taking his advice.
Thank you 🙏
Cool overview. Well encompassing.
Having lived with all the systems, flight feel is most important to me so my ranking is
1. HDZero
2. Avatar and Analog
3. DJI (both rank the same)
But it really depends on what you need.
If you like looking at the beautiful scenery, are a crappy pilot, and fly by yourself O3 wins hands down.
And for racing I perform significantly better with HDZero’s Runcam90 compared to analog, so that’s a clear win for me.
Avatar has the best flight feel of the retransmission systems and you can fly with others, so it does really well in mixed company and social freestyle.
DJI is super available everywhere, and even though flight feel is unacceptable to me, many fly it perfectly fine.
Hey, at least we have choice! That is the true message, we had to suffer with DJI or analog not to long ago… literally last year :p
I have improved greatly after graduating from those systems, they both were holding me back significantly and I just didn’t know better. So happy now!!!
Well said!
Yeah, #1 for looking the closest to plain ole analog and costing one HELLA lot for the tiny improvement in image quality you get from plain ole analog! Good old ANALOG2! Yup, predicted you'd like the system that does so little over analog, YET COSTS SO DAMN MUCH - Especially when you make HDZero do analog and Walksnail - way, way over A THOUSAND BUCKS! Sheesh!
THE WORST VALUE in all of FPV - Because you get so little improvements in image quality, penetration, and range with image clarity over analog....ESSENTIALLY NONE!
@@KOrnhOliO1 your value view is on point, as usual.
It’s just that I literally have no choice… it’s only between analog or HDZero for racing, and the new 90hz stuff lets me lap upto 2 seconds faster AND more consistently than analog! I see why most are racing with it recently, there literally isn’t a choice if you want to do well…
I generally fly 40-80+ packs every day, so it really, really matters to me. And flying HDZero is so much more pleasant than flying analog for hours, I always struggled with, and got a headache from analog, it was always so difficult for me, even from the beginning. But now flying on HDZero it is an absolute pleasure.
🤷♂️ to each their own, I guess?
Some absolutely love analog and to them it’s perfect and doesn’t hold them back, at all, but I’m not a top 10 pilot, still a ways off, so it absolutely affects my performance!
Value wise, you are right, it sucks ass, especially for the ones that don’t need it… but that’s like saying an 18 wheeler is bad value for the average person (it’s horrible value)… if you need it… it’s not about value, it’s what will get the job done.
Avatar VRX is likely the best value if you have compatible goggles, or 100% the OG DJI system if starting from scratch, but there is more to FPV once you get past learning to fly… it gets much more specialized, and last year was an amazing year for video systems!!!
O3, Avatar AND HDZero were all introduced to a very different audience, specializing in VERY different flight feel and behaviour. I really think you need to live with it for a while….
O3 for example really surprised me, I was set to run it for everything (except racing obviously), but I couldn’t deal with the poor flight feel…
Quality is absolutely unmatched, but that’s not the only requirement for me, and it really was holding me back… that’s also why it hurt so bad, I really wanted to run the system and it just didn’t live up to my expectations, I’m literally still sad about it… that’s why I went over what is suitable for every type of pilot, according to my personal experience, in my post above.
I always appreciate your view point, as we are into very different things, it keeps me more centred, because honestly, in racing especially, everything is SUPER canted to once side, for a reason mind you (as that’s where the performance lies)… but you always help me get out of myself and see the bigger picture.
I mean it’s not just the runny nose racers, I see the freestyle fanatics, and long range lunatics view points as I am part of those groups as well… and I can safely say… the dogma is real at times😜
Some jump on the newest hotness and test everything and some don’t want anything to change… all kinds of amazing people, I love them all!
Look at the toroidal propeller fad that’s currently unfolding, it’s so much fun to observe this community sometimes, I’m so happy to be part of it!!! It has changed my life for the positive, that’s why I try to get people in and help them learn, it has given me so much!! And I do my best to give back as much as I can.
Thank you.
@@lemonsquareFPV racing must be a new passion for you. not into it at all...so repetitive and too competitive.
yes, hdzero and analog would be best for racing. but, not for much else, imo. i'm so over so much snow, not being able to fly around objects, heck not around a corner of a building, and having no range with a clear image.
i've moved on from both analogs and the performance they give us. i'm beyond the suck! lol
@@KOrnhOliO1 Both analogs 🤣😜 nice 👍🏻 legit made me giggle.
Lots of places are starting to do digital racing, just makes it a bit more complicated with making sure everyone is flying clean, and much harder when you can’t just see everyone’s feeds all at the same time, on a single screen, kinda important when money is on the line and a second can be the difference between $100 and $5000+.
If DJI or Caddx wanted they can easily make it happen today, seems like Caddx is actually working on this… which is pretty exciting!!! Picture digital racing in massive industrial/forest/whatever interesting venues, with 2km+ track lengths! That would be nuts!
We’ll get there! This is in no way the end of this technology’s development!!! Imagine what it would be like in 5 years, imagine how it was 5 years ago! It’s only getting faster and better by the second! Look at DJIs picture quality between their two systems, just a few years apart! Literally amazing quality difference, I still can’t believe it’s real! Still upset they didn’t make the rest of O3 as good as I wanted, but whatever, I can’t blame them for my weird brains perception to latency 😜, in a couple of years we’ll probably have our minds blown again!!!
Yeah, I have really started getting into racing, I love the social aspect of this hobby in general, wether it’s chasing each other, especially when with more than 2-3 people, and just screwing around shredding a spot (🥰 so good 😊) or racing… which is super similar, especially with a good natural venue or warehouse or industrial park and not just an empty field… I really don’t like those, thankfully they are not common in our circle.
Also my practice setup is so much fun, I have natural obstacles with a gorge, river, tall trees, short trees, tons of plants, boulders, logs, branches, huge elevation changes… I made natural gates and tunnels and stuff. It’s literally a dream to fly for me, if it was an open field I would go crazy the first week 😜 I’m not that kind of person! And I can really enjoy the environment… especially with Avatar, it’s quite the system, I still can’t get over the sheer consistency! It blew my mind when I first tried it! I couldn’t believe how hard I can push it, and not feel like it’s massively holding me back. I wish DJI would fix flying with others and the latency on O3, if they do, man, I’ll rebuy all that stuff in a heartbeat, but I’ll likely have to wait for O4 in a couple of years.
Also isn’t it nice that we have so much choice now, how crappy would it be if it was just analog and analog2 😜, with an extra side of snow… likely you won’t be as happy? We are so lucky! And it’s only gonna get better!
Thanks for everything. I’m really happy with this amazing thing we call FPV, no matter how we all do it! It’s all cool.
Again… just imagine how it was 5 years ago!!! 🤯 I’m happy now, but also super excited about the future!
For me, compatibility also means whether a system can be used with glasses from different manufacturers...
excellent point, do you have anything to add from your experience?
@@DarrenAllatt Yes, in that respect only analogue is compatible. All others are not. Where as hdzero is also open source. So theoretically it is also hdzero. But there are probably only a few manufacturers who release hdzero googles and VTXs so far...
That means analog and hdzero is top. And DJI a big fail in compatibility...
I think the v2 dji goggles should be a F for ease to use if u use any of the dji air units (except 03) because you have to change the firmware on your goggles and the units which a lot of people dont know
I'm really itching to get the Walksnail goggles but I'm pretty sure in about a year they will release a new goggle with an HDMI input.
What do you mean by HD Input?
@@DarrenAllatt HDMI. Mb. 😅
Not sure if I'm fanboy-ing, but I really can't understand some points on the O3.
"just plug it in and hit update" -> setup C rating? There is also just the goggles and O3 which you usually just plug into the fc, how is that more complex than all the different modules and cameras for other systems?
Cost F because you can get receivers for other systems for cheap ... but I'm not an android that can see hdmi, comparable goggles with antennas aren't much cheaper?
Recording is not mentioned at all, despite many many people having extra cameras on their quads.
It's also the first time I've heard that O3 has worse penetration compared to Original DJI and Walksnail, but I can't personally attest to that.
I also don't get why you mention 3 channels multiple times. If that is CE mode, there is no way other systems have the penetration and range of O3 and in FCC mode goggles 2 have 7 25mhz channels and I regulary fly with analog and original DJI in a 2m radius around me.
S!
Been flying analog for 6 years and plan on picking up new goggles very soon. This is a great video!
Thank you 😄
Im thinking analog for fpv and put gopro for production. Dont need giga good vision for pilot imo
There is one big point you missed, video recording quality, and i am sure 03 air unit would win hands down, as it has up to 4k 120fps plus rock steady Stabilization without the need of a heavy external camera, does the walksnail have inbuilt Stabilization? this was one of the most important reasons i purchased the 03 system.
Good point, That only makes a difference if you aren’t using a GoPro - however most still are
Walksnail has Gyroflow
@@DarrenAllatt you can use gyroflow with most cameras, inbuilt stabilizer is convenient.
@@quadthingcopter5984 the new avatar cameras have a gyro in them so you get a gyro file as well as dvr for the onboard
Video to stabilise in gyroflow from that as opposed to trying to use black box.
Most pilots use a GoPro anyway so it’s kind of void if you are
main problem with the 03 goggle is the 100hz display vs the 144 on the v1 and v2s. if you tested both you cant use the 03 for anything fast or it WILL drop frames leaving a jagged motion video that makes most ppl go wtf is this?
I need gokd penetration depth and range. Im not worried about image quality as j wilk use GoPro. In this scenario which googles do you recommend?
I’d actually recommend long antenna on your quad, a high power VTX and patch antennas. Your setup matters, not your goggles.
what is the name of the analog goggles?
Feels about right. Good job 👍🏽
very concise data, although am sure ppl might slightly disagree on more opinionated points of view, you get a A for your work
Thank you Lou!
Good video. I have O3, HDZ, and WS and in general prefer HDZ. When I'm just cruising on a fine evening or going mid range, I'll use Goggles 2+O3 because it looks great. WS for me works best with an external monitor because I have the VRX, so I just plug in the HDMI to a monitor and cruise around that way.
Interesting results but I think regarding overall feelings of pilots it's not there... I think the real battle it's against hdzero and original dji (regarding cost, latency, reliability of the signal) and pilots will choose one of them more likely than O3 or walksnail. So putting walksnail on the top and original DJI on the bottom seems to me just pure number imo...
Walksnail at the top and Original DJI at the bottom was just how the total scores fell at the end, not how I would have ranked them if I was to rank them personally- but it was rather an objective rank.
@@DarrenAllatt yeah i understand that and the video was very enjoyable! Sorry bro, i think i was hungry at that time..!
This is exactly where I'm at lol
Would be cool to see what your thoughts are on HDZero with the new Freestyle VTX with 1w
new Freestyle VTX? there isnt a new one is there?
@@DarrenAllatt hi, it’s not new I suppose however one of your conns for HDzero was the fact that it was limited to 200mw hence my comment about the 1000mw VTX they have.
Enjoyed your video though. 👍
@@DarrenAllatt if I misheard you or didn’t quite catch something I apologise in advance. Not here to give anyone trouble mate. I am currently deciding if I should lock myself into DJI or rather go with HDZero with the option of the WS VRX for some diversity.
@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep no offence taken.
What goggles do you have now?
If they have HDMI, maybe try both HDZ and WS through their own respective VRX’s and see how you go
@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep the comment was micros and smaller quads as the 30x30 1w VTX is huge and only good for 5” freestyle
Hello, very useful comparison and the Walksnail sistem is looking very attractive for me for the usage im going to do, but there's something in Walksnail that doesn't convince me completely, and I think those inconvenience may be overcome with a Walksnail avatar V2's... Do you think a Walksnail goggles V2 is coming out soon?
What’s the inconvenience?
@@DarrenAllatt ok based on videos and reviews since I am in a place in the world where I have to know very well what I am buying, I see 3 drawbacks with Walksnail, 1. the quality of the video is not at the point that I would say wow I want that, 2. the way the video is cut off due to low signal, a friend has the Walksnail VRX and when the signal is low it loses the video in a terrifying way, 3. the incompatibility with video input because everyone here uses analog and it is very important to me use analog to see the flight of others... even so, Walksnail is the one that best suits what I do and the price is what I can, I think that this can be corrected with a new version, that's why I ask if there will be a version 2 in development? thank you 👍
@@cyborgfpv7361
what would you hope a new version to have?
1. When you say "video quality" is not wow - was that based upon your friend's WS system, who is using a VRX and Analog Goggles? Which Analog Google does he have? I bet there not 1080p OLED screens, even if they're Skyzone 04'x the resolution is 1280x960, which is 60% of the quality of 1080p
2. Except for HDZ, both DJI and WS cut off the same, they go blocky and then boom, you are done. That's not going to change.
3. They won't be adding Analog input into any next version of the goggles. that ship has sailed.
@@DarrenAllatt OH I hope the Google's make a difference with the VRX and a external screen for planes where friend uses it. Ok I guess I'm going for it thanks Darren that's what I wanted to know and you explained it.
Great work and well done compression, I really like your approach . I’m using the Walksnail VRX with Skyzone 04x and I enjoy the image quality but the penetration can be better … but I must say that I’m pretty happy with the price performance of the system.
I think there is a TrueRC-X Air patch upgrade for the VRX available, that will improve the penetration
I'm using skyzone03O goggles with analogue and HDzero and I'm happy with it
I had a question wondering if you.could help me I wanted to grab the cinelog 20 with the elrs reciever and boxer radio I can still use the integra goggles since it has the o3 unit built in
Yes you can use ELRS with the DJI O3 version of the Cinelog 20.
ELRS + Boxer is a Radio Link which is completely seperate to DJI O3 which is a video system (even though it can do control if you have the DJI FPV Remote)
awesome video! thanks for doing this!
You are welcome
Awesome video!
Thank you 🙏
Personally I love them all, we live in a good time being an FPV pilot.
Absolutely!!
not. thought i start in 2023 and the same shit tech from 2021 just costs the double amount now! thats horrible
I chose DJI and I love the image quality. But if you still want to fly tinywhoops, a decent pair of analog goggles pays for itself quickly.
You can get some great little analog rippers for $100-$130 USD. Using digital doubles the cost of each of them. With Wasp and vista being phased out, using DJI 03 triples the cost.
I'm a total newb. I want the HDzero set up but don't know what I need.
As far as radio
Drone receiver etc etc
Goggle antenna
Ok, so HD-Zero is just the video system, it's seperate to the Radio and Receiver that's on your drone.
For HD-Zero:
Goggles wise, you can get one of the following:
- HD-Zero Goggles,
- Emax Transporter HD Goggles
- HD-Zero VRX + Analog Goggles with HDMI Port
For a Radio, I recommend the Radiomaster Boxer ExpressLRS
Drones, well I'd recommend starting with the BetaFPV Meteor 75 HD-Zero ExpressLRS
@Darren Allatt So is TBS compatible with the HD zero goggle and that radio?
What abiut ELRS 2.4 vs 915 hz?. If I was to buy an iflight Nazgul 5", which configuration would I choose?
@@rkwjunior2298
Video Systems and Radio Systems are completely separate, they don't need to be "compatible" as they don't effect each other.
That being said, ELRS has an integration with HD-Zero goggles, that doesn't make them compatible, it means there is an integration. TBS doesn't have that same integration because they are closed ecosystem.
ELRS 2.4ghz as 900mhz in 2023 is not necessary, back prior to ELRS when you only had FRSKY that would failsafe 100m away, yeah 900mhz was the go. Today, 2.4ghz
iFlight don't sell a HD-Zero version of the Nazgul, only DJI Original or DJI O3. If you'd like the Nazgul equivalent in HD-Zero then:
- Foxeer Aura 5" Freestyle RTF
- Green or Grey, up to you
- RHCP
- ELRS
- 2306.5 1850kv
- HD-Zero is the configuration
This will work with HD-Zero Goggles and the Radiomaster Boxer ELRS
Learn to Build a 5" Freestyle FPV Drone 🎓 www.darrenfpv.com/buildmasterclass-5freestyle
Interesting work 👍 A+
Many thanks
I really liked your comparison of all the systems. I think it is the only one on youtube at the moment. You gave good categories and it was very informative with lots of content from others, too, to support YOUR ranking.
In some categories I would rank them a little bit different and it is always gonna be very SUBJECTIVE how different things are gonna be ranked. BUT all in all YOUR ranking is alright ;)
Your Japanese marking was messing with me though :D nothing against it, especially because you explained it, but it is just weird to me :D :D :D
Thanks Mark appreciate it. How would you rank them for each category?
I have the DJI FPV with goggles V2 and while the picture quality is great, I still prefer flying my analog system for a few reasons.
1- I feel comfortable flying without the constant fear of "don't crash, it'll be expensive"
2- If I break it, I can fix it and quickly
3- Love and hate relationship with DJI
All good reasons. End of the day you need to fly what is right for you.
You can use your dji goggles and radio with conventional carbon fiber drones though. 😎
I love your content bud, if you keep going, you will surely get more and more attention. Well done and never give up. FPV for life!
Thank you for the support. It’s greatly appreciated!!
Thanks for this very interesting video. I'm using HDZERO since it was the first to offer HD on tiny whoops and these are the drones I fly the most. Since I don't have other HD systems at hand I always wondered how HDZERO compares to other regarding power consumption / flight times. I suppose that the bigger the build, the lower is the percentage of energy spent in the HD processing but I never read about real world tests. When you see how much heat is dissipated by the VTX and HD camera, this may also orientates the selection for lighter builds.
I dont think people really consider whether or not an extra 10 to 20 seconds of flight time between one digital system and another because of power consumption differences. Rather the weight of the system has a bigger impact on flight times than power draw. Further, most pilots are looking at image quality and flight feel
@@DarrenAllatt Thanks for you answer ! On a 1S Whoop, 20 seconds of flight time is significant ;-) On a larger drone, sure 10 or 20 seconds isn't important. But is it really only 10 or 20 seconds ? We have no idea of the efficiency of these systems. The only info we have is the power at the antenna. I have the feeling that in these digital systems, most of the power isn't drawn by the TX itself because of the amount of heat being dissipated. I expect analog and then HDZERO to be the lowest power hogs since analog has nearly no processing at all, and both analog and HDZERO communicate in a single direction, there is no RX, no retransmission of missing data. In the end if the difference is 10% of the flight time it may matter.
@@bernardfouche5241 on a 1S whoop the different between HDZ and WS would probably be 5-10 seconds max.
This video:
Walksnail had great image quality at 30 km.
DJI had good image quality at 20 km.
DJI rank S!
Walksnail rank A!
I have the DJI V2 goggles, and im trying to fly analog. There is no option to view video in goggles. Any idea whats happening?
You probably need to be in DJI FPV System mode not O3 to access AV-IN
@@DarrenAllatt You are a lifesaver man! Thank you soo much!!!
@@jon_espi10 You are welcome, if you aren't subbed, that would help me greatly in return!
@@DarrenAllatt Ive been subbed and I love your content
Why does the FPV community keep using the term penetration? With the same wavelength and power output the penetration is equal. It's not about penetration, it's about reception. How sensitive is the system and thus can it make use of the information received? Nothing against this video. Good content.
You raise a fair point. I guess its easier to say whether a system's broadcast can penetrate the different obstacles in the way so the goggles can receive it.
Awesome content
Thanks for creating and sharing this video. Learned a lot. You get an S from me.
S
I'm flying a lot more and this is just the info I need moving forward
Appreciate the entertainment value for sure but kind of felt like the weighting was way off. Weighting them for freestyle and cinematic would have been ideal as that is what most people who fly will be doing with these systems. Long range and (serious) racing is something you really need to build for and kind of niche applications. I think just describing your experiences with and thoughts about them would have been better.
Thanks for the feedback- how would you have ranked them?
@@DarrenAllatt For me personally I would recommend DJI for most people as you get support for both "Vista" and O3 (except V1 gpggles) with good performance all around.
Walksnail seems like a decent DJI "Vista" alternative and appears to also offer all around performance plus better tinywhoop options.
Analog for those on a budget and racing. Not hard to find an analog version of most BNFs.
HDzero goggles are super cool but the system itself is in a weird spot feature wise where I can't see any instance where I would recommend it over any of the others.
I agree with almost all of what you've said; if I was 'recommending' to someone what to get, that's how my recommendations would probably go as well, except for HD-Zero.
HD-Zero is something where if you are an Analog pilot and hate DJI & Walksnail and want a higher resolution version of your analog setup, then HD-Zero is right for you.
@@DarrenAllatt I think you nailed it. There is an emotional component that plays a part here that I am not putting into my rankings. I love what Carl is doing with HDZero and want to support it but cannot con myself into thinking it is better because I want to support it. I know there are people who hate DJI or have some hang-ups with Walksnail but those are personal preferences that everyone has to sort out for themselves.
Great comparison. The Sum of the parts matter...
Wait a second.. the original DJI v2 goggles are cheaper than the HDZero or walksnail goggles. Add to that the fact that the DJI v2 goggles come with antennas and a battery which you'd have to buy completely separate on the HDZero system.
Yes, although I wouldn’t count the included DJI battery as a bonus. Doesn’t last long.
Original DJI v2 goggles are more expensive than Goggles 2. They are EOL so people are putting them up for crazy prices.
Megabits. Not megabytes. Good content.
Video systems a relatable to the old concept of cars being three categories, good, fast, cheap. You can be cheap and fast but it wont be good or you can be good and cheap but you wont be fast.
Agree
Omg so I started with the hardest system back in 2015 oh no wander i crashed so much 😂
Great vid thanks
Great info Thx
This video is a good idea, BUT, you cannot rank systems without applying a perfectly controlled environment : such as, antenna used, batteries, quads, etc. You cannot just take 1000 different tests out there and compile them and applying a score out of that and hope for something that fits. It's biased which make this video sadly incorrect. BUT It explains a lot of stuff clearly, the results are what they are, and will bring a lot of hate, but you clearly detach your self from them and stating you don't even own walksnail should be kinda reassuring for the haters about the results. Keep the good job going tho! And just out of curiosity, what is YOUR overall rank of these systems?
Thank you!
Yes I agree we could apply more controlled tests to each to come to a more accurate score for each. Although that’s a time and money issue unfortunately.
How I’d rank the systems? Well that’s nuanced to the use case and the person.
For a beginner who’s just starting, I’d recommend them to go with analog to learn FPV, and save the extra funds from goggles and VTX on batteries and a decent radio. It also allows them to fly as much as they can from whoops to freestyle, racing and long range - this allows them to work out what kind of flying they like the most, then they can do into a digital system that is right for them.
If HDZero get their image quality and penetration solved to a standard that’s comparable with DJI Original (they won’t ever do re-transmission of lost packets but can do something to lesson the pain of the break) then I’d think that’s the best “all round” as in does everything reasonably well (racing, freestyle, micros, long range).
I think a lot of people don’t get into racing once they’ve gone DJI or Walksnail as it would cost too much to get HDZero and they won’t want to go back to analog. It’s a shame, racing even if you have no aspirations of being MCK is great skill developer for freestyle & cinematic. Look at Vannover, racing helped him get on a Michael Bay film.
I’d like to see Walksnail do a racing mode, which doesn’t do RE-transmission and goggles don’t transmit, that would then be the best system for most pilots.
But DJI could do the same as well, except they need a solution for micros
I’m not set on any one system being the one to recommend at the moment without considering nuance.
@@DarrenAllatt I think this answer should have been in the video cause it s a perfect conclusion and it s pretty objective. From all I have seen I don see much more difference between hdzero and others in term of signal reception (penetration) but the small breakups are more noticable due to the snow. As an open source, hdzero could I think build different configuration to be near as good as ws or DJI in term of image quality. But it LL take time.
be careful sniveling Darren will threaten to block and remove you if you disagree with his whining comparisons...Bah ha ha ha
Thanks mate!
Fully agree on the ranking, I have all goggles except the O3. You should have mentioned the fit of the googles. I don't like my DJI v2, d they are like straping a toilet seat to your face, but some might like it
That may need to be a seperate video ranking the goggles rather just ranking the systems. But yeah they aren’t the most comfortable
what does the F stand for? 🙂
Fuka
naaa HDzero goggle win for sure. . .
race and freestyle use HDzero. .btw that micro quad is awesome in hdzero
longrange for dive in the mount just use analog never fail me. .
My opinion is for tinywhoop walksnail is killing, in another hand foe any above that dji is the winner, so for the creators to go with that, for hobbyists and having fun like me going with anlog is more than enough, I have DJI though it is interesting but in most situations you will need gopro / additional camera , so still analog is the best choice to have fun and affordable cost, IF I thinking to be a creational pilot I will go for walksnail and dji / for fun analog, There is no space or reason to go with HD zero ,…. For me at least
Absolutely 💯
I thought walksnail has worse breakup compared to all, according to other youtube content. why you think otherwise and gave it 4-5-5 while analog is 4-1-1? Im confused.
The original firmware Walksnail launched, yes, it wad the worst breakup. However the last couple of firmware releases the breakup isn't noticeable. Before I gave the scores, I knew I had the judge Walksnail on the latest release, not the initial release, hence why it scored the way it did.
@@DarrenAllatt thanks 👍🏻 seems still has lot of latency as VRX for my ORQA.. I think they didn't bought ImmersionRC just for fun; i hope we see "promised" ORQA digital soon.. 😩
@@alperenozgur that’s probably due to how the Orqa processes HDMI In
@@alperenozgur On the Oscar Liang Walksnail Avatar VRX site is a list of analog goggles latencies. Orqa is 2nd last with 52ms, better are HDO2 for example.
No matter if DJI v1/v2 or O3 system, there are 7 channels + 1 puplic channel available. So more than 3 pilots can fly
not on the new firmware, limited to 3
V1 cant update to new firmware so its on 8 channels
Analog literally beat HDZero in your penetration test video but you give it an F and HDZero a D...
And Analog has been pushed to hundreds of km while HDZero has not. Again you rate HDZero above Analog for the range test.
Then for image quality you give HDZero a C. If you have 5 systems you need 5 levels of rating. Otherwise you can manipulate the tests to not count as much.
No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating.
This is the standard rating system you can see used right across RUclips on your typical rating videos.
And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems.
I have the ratings based upon my preferences and what I determined their ratings to be.
If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them.
Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different
No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating.
This is the standard rating system you can see used right across RUclips on your typical rating videos.
And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have my reasons as to why I rated each system that way for each segment. For example, I don’t care if analog can go 400kms but you have to use 1.3ghz with a 500w TX, it’s 5.8ghz on what we have access to for our typical use case.
I have the ratings based upon what I determined their ratings to be.
If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them.
Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different
Original DJI… is this excluding the V2’s??
What do you mean?
@@DarrenAllatt in the tier scale….you mentioned “original DJI goggles” (V1). Just wanted to know was the V2 including or Excluding in the “original DJI goggles”.
I've only been flying for almost a year now, I started with fatshark dominator v6 goggles and Analog everything, for me analog was fine with a good vtx and camera its ok picture quality but with that a good vtx is 60-70 bucks a good camera is 30-50 bucks then you have to solder/ setup all these vtx tables and channels and everything not the easiest thing for new flyer's to figure out after trying my buddy's dji setup with a caddx nebula pro i went next day bought some dji goggles v2 and 3 vistas and swapped all my quads to digital and never looked back analog is like watching an old TV your grandma may have had layong around that barely worked and dji is like watching 4k tv with no issues 🤣 comparing these systems are silly hd zero is just analog with digital break up 😅 walk snail is a straight up copy of dji just slapped there name on it and changed it too worse image quality so yeah these are all opinions but i feel there fair, dji wins for me at first i didnt want to be a dji fan boy but after suffering thru analog for so long i have mad respect for how good dji just works plus the 03 air unit isnt that big at all plus getting able to record better vid then most of yall with a old asf gorpo hero session 5 lol unless your racing there's zero need for analog or tiny whoopin i suppose even then ive seen some 1.5 inch quads with a vista so ehh i can go without little itty bitty quads they seem like more of a gimic then flying the real thing.
O3 air unit is the clear winner for a normal person flying
Agree!
With loads of money
In every catagorie but price. In Germany a set of Goggles 2 and a single air unit is slightly over €1100. Much higher than all other competition. I wish I could justify it though 😂
Normal person with a lot of money
for fan boys perhaps but ANALOG is still KING in the FPV community
Lmao. Image quality? Yeah, analog can be "pretty good". Racing? Nah, analog image is "trash" (direct quotes).
Also, HDZero has far worse penetration than analog, watt for watt. Nevermind the fact that you can get 2.5w analog VTXs for less money than the 1w HDZero VTX.
Great video Darren. So what you’re saying is HDZero Goggles + WS VRX = absolute best way to go 😂. Will be interesting to run these tests again when HDZero bring out 1080p, penetration mode and firmware updating over WiFi.
Cheers Zuldan! Well let’s see how things go this year and maybe I can run the rankings again in 12 months time
Maybe one day that system will get a A ranking bt it still has issues that is being addressed and ANALOG is still used by the majority of the FPV community even by those who have HD systems so sniveling Darrens claim is not true and when that was stated he gets angry when anyone disagrees with him so beware he will threaten to block anyone who does !!!
I cant even get my dji v1 googels to fly 200 meters before delay and lag
Do they stay in low power mode
Thank you for your video!! really good job, you help me a lot with that !!! subscribed!
Thanks for the sub! Glad to have helped!
You forgot that HD Zero also can be used for analog so I think it definitely outscores analog for compatibility.
Hey Robert, yes you are right the HDZero goggles have analog compatibility, same as the DJI FPV Goggles v1 and v2; however I’m afraid this video is ranking the system in its entirety and not just a feature of the goggles.
You raise a fair point for goggle compatibility
Why is bro roasting analogue the image quality isn’t that bad as he makes out, the latency is much better than any digital system and the range/penetration is the same as digital as they all use 5.8ghz, you just need good antennae
Sorry but Walksnail image quality is not better than First gen DJI.
The walksnail camera colorimetry is off and dynamic range is terrible.
I generally agree. When I was researching for this video, I found that in the recent firmware versions the colour and dynamic range has been pretty good, the difference really came down to resolution.
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Have you seen the a Avatar HD Pro at night yet? 😮 Wow! Just wow!
I don’t fly at night, but maybe there are some spots that I can fly late at night with it for fun.
Megabyte is not the same as megabit.
im no closer to making a decision after this video. no fault of yours, it's just impossible to decide. 100% analog is out, not even considering it, could never convince me to consider it. HDzero would be my choice if the penetration wasn't so ass. Like that's a big deal, when ur flying around, freestyling, having that terrible penetration really prevents what u can do. dji is the apple of the fpv world. I am almost writing them off like analog because I don't want to buy goggles and then have them not compatible with the new vtx that comes out. Theres no way in hell im buying 600$ goggles every single time a new vtx comes out. Its pretty much a 100% no on dji. I guess that leaves walksnail. Their firmware is just ass, the most recent vtx that just came out is 2watts and doesn't beat the penetration and range of the 03 system from dji, which is about to be replaced by the 04 system which is gonna be even better yet. I love the idea of walksnail, but holy fuck they can be jank. Goggles are jank, heard many horror stories about them. There is literally no easy option here.
Who needs 4k? 720 is still a nice quality .
Goggles can only for to 1080 on the others anyway n
Most racers are using HDZero these days.
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fuka...just kidding great video Darren 😂
😂 thanks Evan.
S rating. Upgrading to walksnail.
DJI should be banned from this hobbie or comparrising with other systems. it doesnt support any FC or other OSD.
That’s a product decision DJI have made. I’m sure when they were planning out the roadmap of features and compatibility, supporting OSD for other flight control systems was on it and I would Dessay. They probably made an assessment based upon marketshare and decided against it.
But that’s the right as a business owner to do so
The good news is, there are two other digital systems which are more than happy to support OSD from other flight control systems, so that put you in a position to make an informed decision about who you want to give you money to
your naming for SABCDF was weird, hard to follow, and please stop it
Wym naming?
Range needs to be "With Clarity". Cuz some of us don't give a RATS ASS about flying way up high for as far as we can go! Why is that fun? You're up a thousand or many more feet and you're obviously flying around nothing, just cruising as far as you can go. How is there any fun to that?! I've never gotten it, still don't and will argue forever with anyone about why that is A TOTALLY AND UTTERLY BORING! If you want to se how far you can go without losing your gear, fine. But, that's not something fun or exciting after you've done it once! Most least favorite thing in FPV.
Why not see how far you can fly going somewhere close to land and while you can still get clear video? Much more useful to me, because lots of these long range test are so full of snow I could care less about any of them! A total waste of time!
Flyable image is the second ranking.
Pushing something youve built with your own hands to a place where failure results in complete loss (for example up a mountain or across a sea) is far more exciting than looping a tree or broken wall 10m from where your standing. Flying LR is about mixed emotions. I often have to remind myself to calmly breathe so I dont misread a vital piece of osd info. Miscalculating your remaining battery, or not acknowledging a change in wind speed could be catasrophic. Flying LR with analog requires more balls than any freestyle flight will ever need.
@@tmc-fpv Yeah, but it's simply not FUN! 🤦♂You're confusing FUN with ANXIETY, STRESS, BEING NERVOUS...I get enough of those emotions in regular life already! That's THE LAST thing I want is MORE ANXIETY! I'm trying to fly places where I have LE chance of losing my quad and investment! Not More!!! Plus, way up in the open sky flying straight to get as far as you can....HECK! You could fly that with one hand on the sticks....ERRRR.....NO HANDS ON THE STICKS! Doing long range is what WINGS WERE MADE FOR! Not drones!!!!
B O R I N G ! 🥴🥱💯
@@KOrnhOliO1 I would imagine that skydivers or race car drivers would say they do what they do because they're having fun.
@@KOrnhOliO1 I fly both quads and wings. Got more wings than quads.
I want to know goggles X
man I really like your videos, but your recording sound is just really hard to listen to