My 1st car was my Dad’s 56 VW Beetle Convertible. Simple, reliable, straightforward, the car eventually got you where you needed to be. Now, almost 50 years later, you give me a compelling reason to get a VW again! Great video as always!
@@soundslave that's just a ridiculous comment... Obviously EVs are more expensive than combustion engine cars still but that will change. And learn to calculate the tco total cost of the car. It happens to have free fast charging for three years!
@@keyserxx It probably is, but if you charge AC for hours the rain/dirt could drip down from the connector into the then open DC contacts. If it annoys you, you could cut it off and hide it in the trunk for these occasions.
My first EV and very happy with it. ID.4 Pro S owner here already did 2 roadtrips in 3 months of ownership love it, spacious, quiet and no issues at all in EA. Great car and will sell a lot
Nice results! It's definitely a compelling car for a lot of people. And that charging station is going to be the most famous station on the EA network!
Kyle .. this is awesome 👍 .. my daughter really likes the ID4 we plan to get her the AWD version when it’s available! The charging speeds from 0-80% in 40min is very good .. 10-80% in like 36min 👍 truly nice speeds not eTron quick but very good! however 80-100% +26min still a bit slow but should not make any difference when road tripping since you only need to charge up to 60-70% is most cases anyways .. As for the Mach E .. when on road trips you also don’t need to charge above 70% in most cases as well, so the very poor speeds above 80% right now would not impact overall trip time, still Ford should improve that just incase getting to the next fast charger you need like 90-95% .. but overall 0-60 or 70% is good speeds for both the ID4 and Mach E.. the Audi eTron’s are the best to 80-100% even at 150kW Audi eTron is quicker to 80% than my model 3 on v3 SC .. that’s how amazing the eTron charging curve is over everyone else for now!
BTW if anyone is wondering the Mach E charging curve .. 0 to 80% in like 50min .. and 10 to 80% in 42min .. slower than the ID4 by 6-10min but not too far off .. however OTA update coming to improve the Mach E curve .. still speeds to 80% is ok ..
That's because the battery has huge buffers on each end and the eTron is very inefficient. It also has much less range so that fast charging is still getting less miles per hour of charging than your Tesla. 80% in an eTron is ~150 miles real world vs ~250 miles in a Model 3 LR.
Thanks Kyle for the informative review...I just got my ID4 proS last week...and I have the Ioniq5 which I bought in March 2022. Both are 2022 models...in the summer, the Ioniq5 charged like a monster and had a range of 260 miles average, but now in the winter in Delaware, its charging speed as well as range have fallen significantly...based on your data and review here, I expect that the ID4 will do better in the winter... Thanks for all the awesome objective reviews...your reviews encouraged me to go all electric!
I meant post a comment on your road trip vid from FL to CO. That review roadtrip opened discussion in our home getting an EV. Hopefully VW will deliver on their release of the ID Buzz in few years because that is what we are holding out for. Thank you for this indepth 0 to 100% review post. 🙂
That's a nice charge curve. The biggest thing the ID4 misses on is one pedal driving, I wonder if they could implement proper one pedal driving in a software update later on?
@@inachu nail on the head here. Fords software isn’t what they promised, VWs is absolute garbage (come on, it’ll tell you use use a level 2 on a road trip), and GM just doesn’t care yet. Tesla is the only one with consistent updates and QOL improvements. I’d rather have panel gaps than an EV that has crumby software. Also, why can the Mach-E plug and charge in EA but VW can’t? It’s their network!?! Crazy.
@@jonpetter8921 agree to disagree. VW and Ford need to prove they will keep software current. These new VWs have been in circulation for almost a year now for reviewers and what have they fixed with the software? Absolutely nothing. They can’t even show you the charge rate.
@@JoeyDee86 While Tesla is ahead in software there are other area they trail behind: build quality, affordability and accessibility and those weight more than a software.
After seeing the Mach e charging rates that’s a no go right there. The majority of even the lower end of the battery you won’t be much over half of what tesla or id4 does
Updating some of what you talked about: The 2022 ID.4 charges at 135 kw now. The E-Mustang no longer limits the charge to 80%. The ID.4 is about to go into production at Chattanooga, TN, moved up from earlier estimates. VW says the ID.4 is the best selling EV is some places in Europe.
@@technocrat4613 I watched a guy here on RUclips drive is id4 from Florida to Colorado it seems like most of the time from 10% to 50 it went quick about 20 min then it slowed down allot. Over an hour to 97% I believe. Think the channel was called out of spec or something
Question: In the US we are not offered a heat pump only a resistance heater. Does it affect the range during winter months? I heard Canada will be offered an actual heat pump which is better than a resistance heater.
6:00 - That moment you realize Kyle doesn't realize Electrify America is owned by Volkswagen America :-/ Hopefully he knows *WHY* Electrify America even exists
I have the ID4 and love it. When I have all night to charge it at home is it better to select the reduce charge mode on the vehicle my level two says it will charge it in three hours. Or if I reduce it it will take longer but it will be charged before I leave the next morning. Is this saving on the battery or saving electricity or should I just charge it as fast as a level to Can?
How did you get the battery above 68 deg F for 125KW charging? for 2022, the battery only heats to 46 deg F for low temps. In cold, weather only getting 70 Kw on EA
Hi Kyle! I hope you put more emphasis on electric cars efficiency in reference to its battery size and not to focus so much on time electric car charging speed. This seem a better way determining how electric can go farther per mile in battery size. Charging speed seem like hiding how inefficiencient a electric car is. Every can put a big battery then call it a day. You guys are getting focus so much on EPA rating these days. 1: Effieciency. 2: Battery size. 3: Charging speed.
Great video. Can you do an in-depth video on the batteries the different manufacturers use? We always hear about Tesla’s 2170, 4680, etc. What is Ford and VW using? Pros and cons. 🙏
Hey Kyle, Big fan of the channels since the drift mode videos :) Some really great information, looks like roadtripping on this will be a piece of cake. I just have some questions.. Does the iD.4 pre-condition whilst plugged in, or is it always on battery power? Please can you tell me about the home charging / scheduled charging options? I'm keen on getting an iD.3 (assuming it's the same as what you find on the iD.4) and I can leave it on a public 7.2kW charger overnight (the on-street chargers in London allow you to be plugged in for up to 11hrs, but the overnight payment is capped at 4hrs). I'm wondering if there's no mains power pre-conditioning on the iD: Can I set the charge to start at 2am, so it should be nice and warm by 7am? (passive heating?) Can I change that scheduled time on the app as well as in the car? Can I change the max SoC in the app?
My fav channel, I cant wait for more road trips with all these cars. I get my Model Y LR tomm, I cant wait to get into the EV world. The starbucks straw in the shot is so on brand also
Great video however I see many folks have problems with EA charging the Mach E and ID4. I guess I am spoiled with how well the Tesla Supercharging Network works and road tripping is easy and no worries if i will be able to charge. I hope OEMs and EA can get this figured out otherwise this will turn folks off on EVs.
Kyle, useful info as always. Suggestion. How about a range test in your Tesla (100% SOC to 0%) at three tire pressures (say 45, 40 and 35 lbs) to see just how tire pressure affect range?
Hello. You've said the ID4 will keep its battery temperature constant regardless of outside temperature. Does it mean it has battery thermal management system?
The precondition is setting the temperature of the battery or cabin. For example, if a Tesla knows you are on route to a charger it preps the temperature of the battery pack for optimum charge rate.
I totally see your point - VW USA still pays Electrify America for the contract just as any other Automaker does. But in terms of VW global, it's all from one department to another.
That is a great curve. I sure wish ID.3 were coming here. I prefer smaller cars for most things. Drove the Mach E yesterday and was disappointed. It is huge, heavy, and rides like a truck.
i see you drove in the snow with it. in one of the bad snow storms this year. how did it do in the snow or could you do an EV review of cars in the snow. i live near that charger and am very curious.
Can we top off one car from another? ie. Bidirectional charging, We could not charge our Tesla M3 when the grid failed yesterday. We were stuck 5 miles from home.
I have one on order (aws pro-s). Since ID4 allows you to free DC charge through Electrify America, I expect a lot of owners to use it exclusively for the first three years. What kind of effect do you think this might have on battery health?
Have owned EVs since 2011. Charging out is a hassle, no way the time cost is worth a few bucks savings a month vs home charging at $0.099 a kw. If its needed for whatever its nice.
Hi Kyle thanks for the work but your comment is highly confusing to me. you claim battery is maintained at 77F=25C. at the same time in the article it is claimed that temperature greatly affects charging power. i am trying to figure out why i am only charging at 40kW at 8C and 35% SOC (ID.4 Pro S) - VWoA says it is all they it should be. bummer - on none of the charging curves is an actual temperature indicated. how would this temperature dependence affect Norwegian people - do they ever get 77F. to me that is very misleading advertisement (ok i am in CA). at 14C outside temperature it takes me like 50min from 30-80%
Could you retest the ID.4 with a range test comparing the D and B modes. There seems to be some discussions online that the D mode has better efficiency than the B mode.
Looks like parking lot owners will have to educate their snow plow contractors to clear snow from EV charging spots....and also be sure not to pile it up making chargers inaccessible.
If there were a cost involved as you said @0.31 a Kilowatt hour. What would real world cost be without free charging?? Example I need is you pull into an EA, the three years free is up. Charging quickly from 0 % to 50% (as you recommend, and I agree) would cost how much?
I want to see how it recharges, rate wise, in July in Baker, CA on my way from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Probably a LOT slower. Summer time is when I take most of my longer road trips, not Fall, Winter or Spring time temperatures. Keep it real.
Great review. You may have answered this question in the past, but why do most all charging stations remain uncovered? Snow and cold wouldn't bother me too much, but if its pouring down and I need to charge, it sure would be nice to be out of the elements. With your reviews, and still waiting for the Ioniq 5, you have helped me pare down to 3 cars. Mach e (if they can get the charging station issues resolved, ID4, and Ioniq 5. I appreciate the time and effort.
Yup, the costs to cover charging stations is just not cost effective for the owners. It's already not that profitable delivering all that fast power at reasonable prices. Gas stations are a different animal. They are combined with shops and when pumping gas you're supposed to stand by the pump therefore needing coverage. Also, the sprinkler system is overhead in case of fire at a gas station. With charging, you either sit in car or go somewhere nearby.
@@Josh-179 Thanks. I didn't know about the sprinkler system. I would think with the growing number of charging stations that this would also lead to more shops too. Maybe something similar to how the gas stations are set up along the autobahn in Germany - restaurant, groceries, etc.
@@jamoss55 , yeah, I think in the coming years when EV's are far more the norm, charging areas will become more elaborate and incorporate more and more conveniences. There just has to be a way for the owners to make the money back.
I’m surprised that standard fueling stations haven’t added EV ‘pumps’ - especially the stations that have lots of snacks and restaurants. - maybe there are some, just haven’t seen any.
I will buy mine ijn 2022. waiting for the AWD...Tesla are nice but they have QC issues and the ride is much better in the VW. Go test drive one and you will see.
Yep, EA is a wholly owned subsidiary of VW. So if VW "paid" for this they would be paying themselves, essentially. Which wouldn't be uncommon: I'm sure there's a payment on the books for accounting purposes but the money isn't leaving the VW family of companies so it's a bit silly to talk about "How much VW had to pay EA" for this ability.
Kyle, thank you for a very informative video! Volkswagen and others have mentioned that an ID.4 owner should charge the vehicle to only about 80% most of the time (only charge to 100% every once in a while). Let's say I have a 40-amp level 2 charger in my garage that I will use to charge the vehicle overnight when necessary. Before I go to bed, is there a way to instruct either the vehicle or the charger to automatically stop charging once the charge has reached 80%, or will it charge all the way to 100% unless I manually stop it?
Why the 100% corresponds to 82 kWh, while the the net battery pack is 77 kWh? VW told me that the so called buffer portion of the battery pack is not usable, nor chargeable I think.
OK, just did a full break down of you charging the Mach E to 100% vs you charging the VW ID4 to 100% and I have to say it seems like you are being harsh on the Mach E and giddy with delight about the ID 4. The ID4 reached 80% (0.8 * 77 kWh = 61.6 kWh) in 40 min... the Mach E reached 70% (0.7 * 88 kWh = 61.6 kWh) in 42 min.... You are normally very objective and analytical, but in this case you crap all over the Mustang and glow with pride about the ID4. I get it that above 80% the Mach E is a joke, but below that it is as good as the ID4. I rely on you for spot on analysis when looking to chose my next EV (charging curve is important to me after living for several years with a 2017 Bolt EV) Also, Alex on Auto's seems to get a much higher charging power for much longer on his Mach E, his test was 10% to 80% in warm weather... do you think this difference was due to plugging in a 10%, weather conditions, or both? Love the channel, love your content. :)
I guess it depends where you live and the build out of the charging network for your travel route. I'd want to charge to 90-100 if I am travelling to reduce stoppage time and get to where I am going. Kyle suggests charging halfway and them hoping to the next charger. I dunno about that because you'd be stopping every 1.5 hrs. Makes for a long and tedious trip.
One common complaint about the ID.4 is that it should start charging as soon as you plug in, automatically the way Teslas do when you charge: Plug in and you're done. Since VW was the one who basically created Electrify America you'd think they would make it as easy as humanly possible for their own cars to charge. I'm sure this will be fixed in the near future.
Mach-E takes 27 mins to get to 50% and 49 mins to 80%. ID4 takes 20 mins to 50% and 50 mins to 90%. Mach-E RWD ER 80% rated range = 240mi ID4 First Edition 90% rated range = 225mi
I would like to see with the heater on how long it takes. If I was to buy one and tell my family "we will only use the heated seats for the next hour while we charge" there would be a big problem!
Charging curve is still my concern in the iD4 - and just a note this reviewer needs to do more research VW owns a majority stake in EA because they were mandated too after the diesel scandal -
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My 1st car was my Dad’s 56 VW Beetle Convertible. Simple, reliable, straightforward, the car eventually got you where you needed to be. Now, almost 50 years later, you give me a compelling reason to get a VW again! Great video as always!
I find these videos very important and informative for the ev purchase process.
That’s why we make them! Thanks for watching
In just need a "how to rob a bank" video so I can afford an EV. A tutorial for that would be great
@@soundslave that's just a ridiculous comment... Obviously EVs are more expensive than combustion engine cars still but that will change. And learn to calculate the tco total cost of the car. It happens to have free fast charging for three years!
Your reviews are among the most informative and thorough on RUclips, great stuff!
1:40 there is a little hook in the flap you can put your protection cap on to have it neat and tidy.
I posted the same on the last video.
Maybe they don't read all of the comments, or it could be because this is a press car.
When I see those caps I always think why dont they just make the door weatherproof, like they do for the other 5 doors.
@@keyserxx It probably is, but if you charge AC for hours the rain/dirt could drip down from the connector into the then open DC contacts.
If it annoys you, you could cut it off and hide it in the trunk for these occasions.
My first EV and very happy with it. ID.4 Pro S owner here already did 2 roadtrips in 3 months of ownership love it, spacious, quiet and no issues at all in EA. Great car and will sell a lot
Nice results! It's definitely a compelling car for a lot of people. And that charging station is going to be the most famous station on the EA network!
Kyle .. this is awesome 👍 .. my daughter really likes the ID4 we plan to get her the AWD version when it’s available!
The charging speeds from 0-80% in 40min is very good .. 10-80% in like 36min 👍 truly nice speeds not eTron quick but very good! however 80-100% +26min still a bit slow but should not make any difference when road tripping since you only need to charge up to 60-70% is most cases anyways ..
As for the Mach E .. when on road trips you also don’t need to charge above 70% in most cases as well, so the very poor speeds above 80% right now would not impact overall trip time, still Ford should improve that just incase getting to the next fast charger you need like 90-95% .. but overall 0-60 or 70% is good speeds for both the ID4 and Mach E..
the Audi eTron’s are the best to 80-100% even at 150kW Audi eTron is quicker to 80% than my model 3 on v3 SC .. that’s how amazing the eTron charging curve is over everyone else for now!
BTW if anyone is wondering the Mach E charging curve .. 0 to 80% in like 50min .. and 10 to 80% in 42min .. slower than the ID4 by 6-10min but not too far off .. however OTA update coming to improve the Mach E curve .. still speeds to 80% is ok ..
That's because the battery has huge buffers on each end and the eTron is very inefficient. It also has much less range so that fast charging is still getting less miles per hour of charging than your Tesla. 80% in an eTron is ~150 miles real world vs ~250 miles in a Model 3 LR.
Super informative. I'm looking forward to get my new Id4 1st Max in 3 weeks time.
Great job again, Kyle. You are one of the best sources of valuable information when it comes to EVs.
I appreciate that!
So nice to see that the VW electric platform is competitive. This might mean that electric VW bus could realistically be our next kid hauler :D
Bios wto bu a Tesla
Hood to buy a tst
Maybe I should really consider this. We're getting the Mach E. This might be a good option too
They're quite different, especially the RWD ID4 vs the AWD Mach-E, which seem to be the available spec'd models.
id.s are lame ducks...even the awd will be an allways turtle mode car. I want the specs of the id.R
I am cancelling Mach E
I test drove the Mach E and the ID4 back to back and couldn't believe how much more impressive the VW was
@@Hero007ization My wife really love the Mach E. We are going to be a two EV family so I'll move more towards the ID4
Thanks Kyle for the informative review...I just got my ID4 proS last week...and I have the Ioniq5 which I bought in March 2022. Both are 2022 models...in the summer, the Ioniq5 charged like a monster and had a range of 260 miles average, but now in the winter in Delaware, its charging speed as well as range have fallen significantly...based on your data and review here, I expect that the ID4 will do better in the winter...
Thanks for all the awesome objective reviews...your reviews encouraged me to go all electric!
thanks Kyle. Good work. Looking forward to the actual graph, especially compared to other cars.
I meant post a comment on your road trip vid from FL to CO. That review roadtrip opened discussion in our home getting an EV. Hopefully VW will deliver on their release of the ID Buzz in few years because that is what we are holding out for. Thank you for this indepth 0 to 100% review post. 🙂
That's a nice charge curve. The biggest thing the ID4 misses on is one pedal driving, I wonder if they could implement proper one pedal driving in a software update later on?
In Europe it has 0 pedal driving, accelerating and braking depending on traffic and speed limits. ;-)
I hope Ford pushes out an update to their charging curve asap. They seem to be behind the curve.
They will not.
this is the reason why i stick with tesla. Not enough of these high quality chargers at all for ID4 cars
@@inachu nail on the head here. Fords software isn’t what they promised, VWs is absolute garbage (come on, it’ll tell you use use a level 2 on a road trip), and GM just doesn’t care yet. Tesla is the only one with consistent updates and QOL improvements.
I’d rather have panel gaps than an EV that has crumby software.
Also, why can the Mach-E plug and charge in EA but VW can’t? It’s their network!?! Crazy.
@@JoeyDee86 The ID 4 is a better hardware than Tesla and will sell very well for the masses. Software can be fixed, panel gap and noisy cabin wont.
@@jonpetter8921 agree to disagree. VW and Ford need to prove they will keep software current. These new VWs have been in circulation for almost a year now for reviewers and what have they fixed with the software? Absolutely nothing. They can’t even show you the charge rate.
@@JoeyDee86 While Tesla is ahead in software there are other area they trail behind: build quality, affordability and accessibility and those weight more than a software.
The front stream light is so beautiful! Will you do coast-to-coast record testing on ID4? Really expect it.
Your videos on this car have been superb! Seriously considering trading in my old bolt I’ve only had 6 months for an ID.4
Your videos are always so comprehensive and informative. I was considering a Tesla Model Y but now the VW ID.4 may be a very close 2nd.
I was waiting for the report of this beautiful car, thank you very much
After seeing the Mach e charging rates that’s a no go right there. The majority of even the lower end of the battery you won’t be much over half of what tesla or id4 does
Updating some of what you talked about: The 2022 ID.4 charges at 135 kw now. The E-Mustang no longer limits the charge to 80%. The ID.4 is about to go into production at Chattanooga, TN, moved up from earlier estimates. VW says the ID.4 is the best selling EV is some places in Europe.
Also no more free charging on 23 models only 30 minutes sorta sucks
@@tommytfaa If you charge from 10% to 80% that shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes.
@@technocrat4613 I watched a guy here on RUclips drive is id4 from Florida to Colorado it seems like most of the time from 10% to 50 it went quick about 20 min then it slowed down allot. Over an hour to 97% I believe. Think the channel was called out of spec or something
Great job! Got my 2022 on order. Wonder though how were you able to still drive on a dead battery?
Question: In the US we are not offered a heat pump only a resistance heater. Does it affect the range during winter months? I heard Canada will be offered an actual heat pump which is better than a resistance heater.
6:00 - That moment you realize Kyle doesn't realize Electrify America is owned by Volkswagen America :-/ Hopefully he knows *WHY* Electrify America even exists
He knows. I don’t know why he said that 😂
how do you feel about owning this car and not having access to home charging? (live in apartment, no driveway, etc)
I have the ID4 and love it. When I have all night to charge it at home is it better to select the reduce charge mode on the vehicle my level two says it will charge it in three hours. Or if I reduce it it will take longer but it will be charged before I leave the next morning. Is this saving on the battery or saving electricity or should I just charge it as fast as a level to Can?
So when is the cannonball video for the ID4 coming out? 😂
How did you get the battery above 68 deg F for 125KW charging? for 2022, the battery only heats to 46 deg F for low temps. In cold, weather only getting 70 Kw on EA
Damn, 40 minutes from 0-80% that's incredible
It will be 20 minutes from 0 to 80% in ioniq 5
Hi Kyle!
I hope you put more emphasis on electric cars efficiency in reference to its battery size and not to focus so much on time electric car charging speed. This seem a better way determining how electric can go farther per mile in battery size. Charging speed seem like hiding how inefficiencient a electric car is. Every can put a big battery then call it a day. You guys are getting focus so much on EPA rating these days.
1: Effieciency.
2: Battery size.
3: Charging speed.
This would be a great ride share vehicle
That turn radius alone would help sell the vehicle for that purpose.
5:00 48 kWh in 25 min, does this compare favorably to a Model Y SR+? 👍
Good thing it does not hit a wall at 80 % like the Mustang. 😳
Do you have a video of 3 or Y doing 0-100% on V3? Curious how it compares...
I will soon
Perhaps plot the curves and compare them that way?
We have that going on the InsideEVs.com website. Working on a master charging article to be updated with every new test
Awesome, thanks!
Great video. Can you do an in-depth video on the batteries the different manufacturers use? We always hear about Tesla’s 2170, 4680, etc. What is Ford and VW using? Pros and cons. 🙏
Great suggestion!
Hey Kyle, Big fan of the channels since the drift mode videos :) Some really great information, looks like roadtripping on this will be a piece of cake. I just have some questions..
Does the iD.4 pre-condition whilst plugged in, or is it always on battery power?
Please can you tell me about the home charging / scheduled charging options?
I'm keen on getting an iD.3 (assuming it's the same as what you find on the iD.4) and I can leave it on a public 7.2kW charger overnight (the on-street chargers in London allow you to be plugged in for up to 11hrs, but the overnight payment is capped at 4hrs). I'm wondering if there's no mains power pre-conditioning on the iD:
Can I set the charge to start at 2am, so it should be nice and warm by 7am? (passive heating?)
Can I change that scheduled time on the app as well as in the car?
Can I change the max SoC in the app?
My fav channel, I cant wait for more road trips with all these cars. I get my Model Y LR tomm, I cant wait to get into the EV world. The starbucks straw in the shot is so on brand also
1 hour 0-100 is pretty fantastic.
Great video however I see many folks have problems with EA charging the Mach E and ID4. I guess I am spoiled with how well the Tesla Supercharging Network works and road tripping is easy and no worries if i will be able to charge. I hope OEMs and EA can get this figured out otherwise this will turn folks off on EVs.
Nice video, Kyle. What's the real world range you're seeing?
Kyle, useful info as always. Suggestion. How about a range test in your Tesla (100% SOC to 0%) at three tire pressures (say 45, 40 and 35 lbs) to see just how tire pressure affect range?
I have a AWD Pro on order, should get it sometime early part of 2022, can’t wait
I bought my 4 days ago. Love the vehicle.
I used to work at the Best Buy right next to that charging station
Hello. You've said the ID4 will keep its battery temperature constant regardless of outside temperature. Does it mean it has battery thermal management system?
Question: I’d 4 comes with level 1 charge chords: what level 2 chord is recommended and where do you buy it?
how is the freeway efficiency? traveling 60-70mph?
New to EV- so how much did it cost to fill up from 0-100% at 43c/khw via electrify America?
Hello, just learning about EVs. What is preconditioning (sorry if this isn't the correct term) the battery means and how to do it. Thanks
The precondition is setting the temperature of the battery or cabin. For example, if a Tesla knows you are on route to a charger it preps the temperature of the battery pack for optimum charge rate.
@@kehlerames218 Thanks
EA is a wholly owned subsidiary of VW!
VW didn't have to pay anything for the free unlimited charging!
Great comment and true, but every charger still eventually has to eventually pay the utility company for the electricity.
I totally see your point - VW USA still pays Electrify America for the contract just as any other Automaker does. But in terms of VW global, it's all from one department to another.
It does cost them. Normally, without the free charging, you would be paying EA for charging the battery. So that is lost revenue.
How well does it work in the snow? Better to wait for the AWD version?
Thank you for your nice video.
My question from where can I get dc charger connector for my id4 car. Thanks
That is a great curve. I sure wish ID.3 were coming here. I prefer smaller cars for most things. Drove the Mach E yesterday and was disappointed. It is huge, heavy, and rides like a truck.
It's a ford...lol I wouldn't expect anything else
How much did the charge cost? You mentioned the rate but wondering how much money would be saving on each charge.
i see you drove in the snow with it. in one of the bad snow storms this year. how did it do in the snow or could you do an EV review of cars in the snow. i live near that charger and am very curious.
Can we top off one car from another? ie. Bidirectional charging, We could not charge our Tesla M3 when the grid failed yesterday. We were stuck 5 miles from home.
Awesome charging, very usable.
As always really useful. Is this charging curve in abrp ?
I have one on order (aws pro-s). Since ID4 allows you to free DC charge through Electrify America, I expect a lot of owners to use it exclusively for the first three years. What kind of effect do you think this might have on battery health?
Have owned EVs since 2011. Charging out is a hassle, no way the time cost is worth a few bucks savings a month vs home charging at $0.099 a kw. If its needed for whatever its nice.
Any recommendations for LEVEL 2 chargers for VW id4 2023 Pro S models?
Eagerly waiting for my 2023 model
Hi Kyle thanks for the work but your comment is highly confusing to me. you claim battery is maintained at 77F=25C. at the same time in the article it is claimed that temperature greatly affects charging power.
i am trying to figure out why i am only charging at 40kW at 8C and 35% SOC (ID.4 Pro S) - VWoA says it is all they it should be. bummer - on none of the charging curves is an actual temperature indicated. how would this temperature dependence affect Norwegian people - do they ever get 77F. to me that is very misleading advertisement (ok i am in CA). at 14C outside temperature it takes me like 50min from 30-80%
Hi Kyle. Can you put this charging curve and your Model 3 charging curve into the same spreadsheet/graph?
It’ll be on InsideEVs.com
This Volkswagen Looks Luxurious
Could you retest the ID.4 with a range test comparing the D and B modes. There seems to be some discussions online that the D mode has better efficiency than the B mode.
Looks like parking lot owners will have to educate their snow plow contractors to clear snow from EV charging spots....and also be sure not to pile it up making chargers inaccessible.
If there were a cost involved as you said @0.31 a Kilowatt hour. What would real world cost be without free charging??
Example I need is you pull into an EA, the three years free is up. Charging quickly from 0 % to 50% (as you recommend, and I agree) would cost how much?
12 dollars
@@jaz4280 thanks! So charging close zero to approximately 90% is around $20 or so?
I want to see how it recharges, rate wise, in July in Baker, CA on my way from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Probably a LOT slower. Summer time is when I take most of my longer road trips, not Fall, Winter or Spring time temperatures. Keep it real.
If you have to pay then .32 cents / kw hr x 80 kw hrs = $25? For 200 miles of range?
Great review. You may have answered this question in the past, but why do most all charging stations remain uncovered? Snow and cold wouldn't bother me too much, but if its pouring down and I need to charge, it sure would be nice to be out of the elements. With your reviews, and still waiting for the Ioniq 5, you have helped me pare down to 3 cars. Mach e (if they can get the charging station issues resolved, ID4, and Ioniq 5. I appreciate the time and effort.
Mostly cost!
Yup, the costs to cover charging stations is just not cost effective for the owners. It's already not that profitable delivering all that fast power at reasonable prices.
Gas stations are a different animal. They are combined with shops and when pumping gas you're supposed to stand by the pump therefore needing coverage. Also, the sprinkler system is overhead in case of fire at a gas station. With charging, you either sit in car or go somewhere nearby.
@@Josh-179 Thanks. I didn't know about the sprinkler system. I would think with the growing number of charging stations that this would also lead to more shops too. Maybe something similar to how the gas stations are set up along the autobahn in Germany - restaurant, groceries, etc.
@@jamoss55 , yeah, I think in the coming years when EV's are far more the norm, charging areas will become more elaborate and incorporate more and more conveniences. There just has to be a way for the owners to make the money back.
I’m surprised that standard fueling stations haven’t added EV ‘pumps’ - especially the stations that have lots of snacks and restaurants. - maybe there are some, just haven’t seen any.
I will buy mine ijn 2022. waiting for the AWD...Tesla are nice but they have QC issues and the ride is much better in the VW. Go test drive one and you will see.
I thought VW owned or at least had a large interest in EA. That might be why they can afford to give the unlimited charging.
Electrify America is a subsidiary of Volkswagen Group
@@guglielmomalizia926 that’s what I thought. So this makes total sense for them to offer free charging.
Every registered ID.4 in the US gets 3 years unlimited charging (regardless of who owns it).
Yep, EA is a wholly owned subsidiary of VW. So if VW "paid" for this they would be paying themselves, essentially. Which wouldn't be uncommon: I'm sure there's a payment on the books for accounting purposes but the money isn't leaving the VW family of companies so it's a bit silly to talk about "How much VW had to pay EA" for this ability.
Kyle, thank you for a very informative video! Volkswagen and others have mentioned that an ID.4 owner should charge the vehicle to only about 80% most of the time (only charge to 100% every once in a while). Let's say I have a 40-amp level 2 charger in my garage that I will use to charge the vehicle overnight when necessary. Before I go to bed, is there a way to instruct either the vehicle or the charger to automatically stop charging once the charge has reached 80%, or will it charge all the way to 100% unless I manually stop it?
You can set a charge limit on the console
Dis they fix the bug for showing you where the American chargers are?
What is all the kilowatt numbers means? Can you explain it in plain English?
you should build a lego mindstorm rig or a raspberry pi with an actuator to press that button on the EA charger.
Had to pull out the famous stick for this test and sit in the trunk as my feet were frozen ice blocks! Haha
@@OutofSpecReviews haha, could tell from the parking situation. thanks for your dedication 🙌
I'd like to see what the range loss will be when towing if you could do a video on that.
Tbh the ID.4 does not look bad at all and VW SUVs do not look bad at all
Hi there. Would you happen to know If traveling in Canada, would the charging be free?
Good question. I am Canadian and would be asking that too but in reverse. Can I use Electrify America?
Why are you constantly switching screens on the charger?
Why the 100% corresponds to 82 kWh, while the the net battery pack is 77 kWh? VW told me that the so called buffer portion of the battery pack is not usable, nor chargeable I think.
OK, just did a full break down of you charging the Mach E to 100% vs you charging the VW ID4 to 100% and I have to say it seems like you are being harsh on the Mach E and giddy with delight about the ID 4. The ID4 reached 80% (0.8 * 77 kWh = 61.6 kWh) in 40 min... the Mach E reached 70% (0.7 * 88 kWh = 61.6 kWh) in 42 min.... You are normally very objective and analytical, but in this case you crap all over the Mustang and glow with pride about the ID4. I get it that above 80% the Mach E is a joke, but below that it is as good as the ID4. I rely on you for spot on analysis when looking to chose my next EV (charging curve is important to me after living for several years with a 2017 Bolt EV) Also, Alex on Auto's seems to get a much higher charging power for much longer on his Mach E, his test was 10% to 80% in warm weather... do you think this difference was due to plugging in a 10%, weather conditions, or both? Love the channel, love your content. :)
I guess it depends where you live and the build out of the charging network for your travel route. I'd want to charge to 90-100 if I am travelling to reduce stoppage time and get to where I am going. Kyle suggests charging halfway and them hoping to the next charger. I dunno about that because you'd be stopping every 1.5 hrs. Makes for a long and tedious trip.
it seems that the best charging speed is when battery is at room temperatures, not too cold and not too hot also, right?
@@rpgfightin4ever Just like the porridge of Goldilocks fame.
One common complaint about the ID.4 is that it should start charging as soon as you plug in, automatically the way Teslas do when you charge: Plug in and you're done. Since VW was the one who basically created Electrify America you'd think they would make it as easy as humanly possible for their own cars to charge. I'm sure this will be fixed in the near future.
Does it , fast charger bed for battery life ?
I think it is..
Also, the screen at EA hasn’t shown “car asking for” all winter.
Mach-E takes 27 mins to get to 50% and 49 mins to 80%. ID4 takes 20 mins to 50% and 50 mins to 90%.
Mach-E RWD ER 80% rated range = 240mi
ID4 First Edition 90% rated range = 225mi
Dont fall for the rated range. Real world range from both are quite different...
@@ycaglaya false. Mach-E and ID4 have shown to be accurate and even pessimistic with their EPA ranges.
@@ycaglaya I test drove the ID4 yesterday. It was at 90% and the estimated range was 267 miles. It's always going to vary.
I would like to see with the heater on how long it takes. If I was to buy one and tell my family "we will only use the heated seats for the next hour while we charge" there would be a big problem!
Won’t really be a measurable difference
Ground clearance for the AWD? stupid detail I know, but it matters to me here in CO.
Saw that there was some nice snow on the ground, how does the RWD ID4 do in the snow?
Carry tire chains
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Bjorn uses heater to take cars to zero. That way at zero, but already at charger, so you don't have danger of having to push the car.
I did the same thing here
3 years free charging in a country as big as the states or Canada is pretty nuts
How many miles per hour does it get in a standard 120v outlet?
About 3
Can you charge these at Charge Point?
When will the ID.4 have "Plug and Charge"? For many that will be more important than the charging speed vs Mach-e.
Last I heard was a software update sometime this year.
What’s plug-and-charge?
Picking up mine in 2 weeks🤩🤩
So how is it?
@@rzu7120 I love it! I’ve had it more a couple months and it’s amazing! The only down side is I get a lot of people coming up to my car & touching it
@@stephanywelsh674 Maybe they want to see if it shocks them! Congratulations on the car.
FREE is nice! Thanks.
Thanks man
As with phones, letting the battery drain that low is not recommended. Some even charging more than 80-90% isn't recommended for battery longevity.
What was the temperature of the battery pack if you know?
He said the car maintains the battery at 77 degrees F.
Charging curve is still my concern in the iD4 - and just a note this reviewer needs to do more research VW owns a majority stake in EA because they were mandated too after the diesel scandal -