Great job, Dad! I think I’m out of a job with such a thorough comparison. Also big props to my Mom for being a great camera operator. Hope you guys enjoy this deep dive comparison between the base vs the maxed out RWD ID.4. Who wants more videos with my Dad??
Definitely! Great to get perceptions from other age groups and just those that aren’t as heavily into the EV world as you are, because that is who are generally buying these. Really appreciated it when he did the “Thank you EA for the electricity!”, ha, seems like a good guy that enjoys life, appreciate having people like him around.
Thanks Kyle for video. I just wish ELECTROFY AMERICA and ELECTROFY CANADA would build more charging stations everywhere as I had to call EA to find charging stations in Canada and we only have 2 Electrofy Canada stations in Toronto ,Canada's largest city of 5 million people
3:30 EA's 10 minute grace period means please move your car so others can use your spot. After 10 minutes, you will be charged a parking fee, even if you are on the free charging plan.
You did a great presentation Dad! Mom handled the camera really professionally. Love Kyle! I was influenced by him and bought the ID.4 and have been taking great road trips.
Decided to get an ID.4 after driving model 3, model Y, Ioniq 5, Kona EV and a used model S. Then had to decide between Pro and Pro S. This video helped me decide to get the Pro S, non gradient. Thank you. Very helpful.
Grace period means that’s the time you have left until EA starts charging your account “idle time”. If left after the grace period, there is a small fee per min I believe. This encourages ppl to leave the station open foe other users. I think it’s fair. Great vid btw! I love my ProS😍 PS. I really thought I wanted a Y until I saw the ID4 then Kyle’s video. I already knew I wanted a VW. I’m loving mine even more so now when I saw your vid and I know I made the right decision not buying a Y and going for the ProS. Btw, when leasing you get both the fed credit upfront and in CA the state credit as well. No money down for me, zero interest. No brainer. And premium gas in CA is $4.69-4.89 per gal, at least in the bayarea.
@@ag4eng i feel it’s fair. Ppl tend to use the space to park until their heart desire. It’s a nominal fee. Cents per minute. Plus the charging was free to begin with. Unlimited for 3 yrs.
Thanks! I actually just upgraded to the ID.4 AWD in Moonstone; so thinking of making a comparison video vs. the RWD. Maybe I should do this before the Pro S RWD lands in its new owners driveway?
@@dconner9 yes!!!! I’d love a comparison of the two! I have an ID.4 Pro S Gradient AWD on preorder… I can’t wait to get notification that it’s on the ship 😍
Finally! A true detailed comparison from the real owner. Thanks. I ordered mine as an AWD Pro. Almost all "extras" on Pro S are not beneficial for us living in the south. Leather seat with no ventilation plus a black glass roof = a big greenhouse and butt burner that is prone to damage for hails or hurricanes. With the $6k extra, S still doesn't have HUD, 360 cameras, or seat ventilation. So other than the memory seats, power liftgate, and headlight, there's really nothing worth the upgrade.
Got my 2022 VW Pro 82kwt . There is no end to all these goodies but in the end of the day you will need to pay like 10,000 after tax for all this. As a second car RWD Pro is good enough under $50k after tax
They need to limit the tax credit to one time every 7 years it is taking it away from long term buyers and should be limited so as to off set cost for people who need it it’s government theft the laws need to be changed yesterday.
First, thank you Kyle - your ID.4 reviews convinced me to trade in my top spec 2yr old Avalon for the ID.4 - I’m very happy with the VW. In NJ, the state incentive is $5000 for the Pro, $2000 for the Pro S (the incentive goes down if the msrp is between $45k-$55k). So for me, the difference between the two choices was a $9000 swing! That made it a no-brainer for me, I picked the Pro. Also, I contemplated waiting for the Pro AWD, but was worried the NJ state incentives would run out before the AWD became available. They indeed did run out - they paid out on the FY2022 EV incentive program in mid Sept. They are lobbying to add additional funding.
Bec Since you purchased both cars, you are eligible for the $7500 tax refund and free charging at Electrify America on both cars. If you sell the Pro, the buyer does not get the tax refund or the free charging on a used car!
Yes to the $7,500 tax credits. And yes to free EA if I were to have kept both. The buyer of my used car will not be entitled to the free EA. I was wrong when I said this in the video… Thx for watching!
Thanks for the review , great spin Kyle bringing Dad in for the review, kudos on the job, well done, I think he has passed on some great traits:)! This is my 2nd vehicle choice if I don't go w my first choice being RWD Ioniq 5 long range. Great informative review, ID.4 has started to arrive here in Vangroovy BC Canada w the first allocation of units being the Pro S all sold out, next 95 slated for a late Feb delivery. Enjoyed the video
950 miles? I do that in two days on my job. I ordered the AWD Pro S gradient. Hopefully it’s reliable. My wife has a Mach e which has better range. However, free charging tips the scales for me.
Very good review. Cemented my decision to go with the Pro after watching Kyle do his thing. 4 months later and still no regrets. As we live in Florida the glass roof was never something we wanted, even with the cover.
One of the best and most thorough comparisons that I have seen. I have the First Edition in the same color choices as yours. The 3 free years of EA is nothing to sneeze at. I just went on a 3000 mile trip through the Rockies and Southwest and that saved a pretty penny on fuel. As far as the Voice, I call her Darling normally or Sweetheart when I think that she is nagging a bit.
THIS WAS A SUPER FANTASTIC REVELATION OF THE DIFFERENCES, SIMILARITIES IN A MOST FANTASTIC MANNER SO THAT WE ALL COULD EASILY UNDERSTAND. THE BIGGER SCREEN ALLOWS YOU TO PUT PART OF HAND TO STEADY FINGER ON TOUCH SCREEN. THIS IS FOR ALL INFOTAINMENT SYSTEMS, FOR ALL VEHICLES. LOVED THIS REVIEW. BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION; DO EITHER HAVE A FRUNK??? GOOD LOOKING SUV'S AND MOM'S SUPER SHOOTING REVEALS BOTH HAVE ALMOST SAME ROOF; JUST PAINTED DIFFERENT. ON WHITE, THE OVERLY PROMINANT COLOR OF MODERN SUV'S, WE CAN SEE THIS DIFFERENCE, BUT HOW WILL IT LOOK, REDISH, DARK BLUE OR BLACK! THE MASSAGING SEATS ARE A GOOD SELLING POINT, AS WELL AS THE LARGER SCREEN. MANY OF MY FELLOW SENIORS CAN'T SEE REAL GOOD, SO BETTER CLEARER GRAPHICS ARE A SAFETY BENIFIT.
Thanks for this valuable vedio following you from Jordan. We have in Jordan Id4 pure plus Id4 crozz pro and I dont know which one to buy or to buy Id6 crozz pro or to move to rav 4 as it is 4x4 while others mentioned above are Rwd. We dont have pro s yet Can you advice me on what points shall I focus on and consider prior to buyiing Appreciating your kind feedback
I think that grace period means you have to unplug before you got charged for "idling" with plugged in and not charging. You can still get charged for idling although no charge for charging. That's probably designed so no one leave their cars plugged after finish charging and give others chance to charge.
Insane trade in value on a Porsche :). We here in the Conner family are, let’s just say, opportunistic. Just remember, the only constant in life is change
Great video Dave, I can see where Kyle gets his good looks from. Love VW but have a Tesla M3 on order and if the Tesla MY comes out before the VW ID4 we may get that. Live in New Zealand so we tend to get the models a few years later than you guys in the USA.
Just wanted to take the time to thank you for this video. Watched the whole thing and I am not in the market right now. Did a great job and looked comfortable doing it.
That was great! Thanks for mentioning about the lack of full stop/go active cruise control. I've watched a dozen ID4 reviews and you're the first to mention such an important function for a commuter like me
If you are in stop and go traffic and you have cruise control on, this is the only time the car will come to a complete stop on its own. If you are stopped for a VERY short amount of time (something like 3-5 seconds) the car will start again on its own when traffic starts moving. If the car is stopped for any longer than that, you will have to lightly tap the accelerator to get the car going again in cruise mode.
Don’t disagree. But it’s not available here yet. I actually have one on order, I just need to see it in person before I pounce. The tech architecture on the EV6 is insanely good. I have said this before… So many cars, so little time!
I didn't even consider the Pro when I ordered my ID.4. I wanted the better headlights, 20" wheels and illuminated grille emblem; wife wanted the red color. Our RWD Pro S w/gradient arrives first two weeks of January and we're super excited to leave ICE vehicles behind. Great review!!
Awesome job! You’re a natural in front of the camera just like your son. If you don’t mind, how much was the vroom offer? I have reservations for the id4 pro awd and the MY. I personally much prefer the comfort and ride of the id4, but seeing all the crazy high used prices of MY, I’m think the MY might be a better financial decision. I was wondering if the ID4 resale prices are just as good. Thx
Many thanks to you and your wife for this awesome comparison Dave, a very helpful review for those considering various options and trim packages. Did you find the ride more comfortable with the smaller wheels, as the sidewalks appear to be a bit higher?
Can’t really tell the difference in ride quality between the two different sized wheels. Keep in mind they put 21’s on these cars in Europe where the comparison to 19” wheels would be more obvious most likely. Just go w the 19” if you are torn. Higher sidewall should mean fewer pot hole blow out issues, better mileage, better ride and they look pretty darn good.
Kyle’s dad (and mom)! Nice car, even nicer reviewers - well done. The only part that cracked me up was the last bit about the 12” infotainment screen. You: bugs and lag had been fixed from the 1st Edition ID.4 *tap* *tap* *tap* No response from screen 😂🤣
Hahah. I did see that. But thruthfully, it does work all the time for me cleanly. So weird that happened. It’s almost as if the little ID.4 was camera shy ☺️
They still cost too much for the average Guy..........My new CX30 fully loaded AWD list for just $27,700.......The average worker just needs an afordable, practicle price............Paul
I understand your point. However, 3 years of not having to pay for any charging… in your case gas, makes a big difference at these gas prices IMO… plus you don’t have expenses for oil changes etc. Definitely something to seriously consider.
I got $1,500 off my Pro, a $7,500 tax credit, plus $2,250 from the state plus 3 free years of charging so no gas expenses. I would have to pull up a spreadsheet to confirm, but it sure would be close holistically to see which vehicle would truly cost more over 3 years of ownership. But, I get your point as the initial cash outlay is far less the way you did it… Thanks for watching!
I think a base ID.4 still easily wins here, if purchased in the right state, and considering three years of fuel costs. In NY I got $1500 off MSRP, plus $9500 in rebates on a fully loaded First Edition... that is free to roadtrip anywhere in the USA, and costs pennies to charge at home on $0.04/kWh electricity at night. EVs are very attainable to the average guy if you consider all of the incentives, which dealerships are usually not too aware of, so it seems like they are very expensive vehicles when compared to their gas competition.
Best video i've seen comparing both models. I'm about to buy one this week here in Germany, and this helped me a lot. Super detailed information. thanks!
@@dconner9 Hope you made a few bucks with this mania. Smart move. I'm definitely getting one once they start coming off lease. Not spending this kind of money on a car.
I find it completely ridiculous that somebody here says "I tried to find this model and was able to find it" and in Canada, we got 150 deliveries this month for the WHOLE COUNTRY while we have THOUSANDS of people on waiting list to get one. But hey...good job VW...
36kw at 99% 🤯!! Those Germans. Comparing to my Bolt EV, I'd get 36kw at 40%. Lol. Wow. Next time I'm in the market, this will be my litmus. Plugging in whatever car I'm testing at a DC, see how much it sucks in at the top end.
What about the WeConnect app, does it work now and update and can you do things remotely like heating, locking cooling and so on do you have the 3.2 update. How does the ADAS work, like lane assist
I took a Pro S out tonight for a test drive, I really wasn't expecting much, it was just on the list of cars to try. Does it have the performance of say a Model 3, nope, the big display of the Tesla, nope, did my back scream after getting out of the Pro S, nope, did I order a Pro S after watching this video, yes. For me it was a far more comfortable drive than the Tesla, also, I get mine in 2 months, according to the Tesla site made as I want it I can get a Model 3 next October....11 months. Anyways, thank you for taking the time to put this together, it's exactly what I was looking for in making my final choice.
I have been watching your and your son's information on the ID4 I will be Picking up my ID4 ProS tomorrow and feel that I have learned so very much about having made the right decision. Watching your instructions has helped this 80 yera old guy know how to drive his new car and know how everything works Thanks for your knowledge
The 10 minute grace period means after you're done charging you have 10 minutes to vacate the space. After that a .40 cent a minute penalty starts accruing.
didnt specify tire type or air pressure in tires at time. these factors alone could make the difference in range, also the weihgt of drivers and other accumulated stuff in car. the extra powered accessories also effect range both in power consumption and weight.
Do you guys have some special connection? How do you get these cars? In NJ, you can't buy a new car even if you have a billion dollars. All lots are empty, not a car in sight! I just went to a toyota dealership yesterday and told me you're better off waiting for the 2024 models as all 2023 cars are practically claimed and will be moved off the lot immediately.
Is the backseat heated in any of the versions? I have been trying to figure out if it is possible to get it with heated backseats but I do not see that mentioned anywhere. Seem like it should be on such an expensive car?
Great comparison lots of good details. Think I would get the pro and if I was going to spend extra money I would spend it on the all-wheel drive. I was particularly interested and happy to hear that the headlights in the pro throw light just as good as the projector does in the pro s. I live in the Southwest and UV input is massive in the summertime and so any car with a continuous glass roof is essentially a nightmare for us here, even though the VW does have a powered cover. Also leather seats have the same issue. Park outside for a while and that car is going to be 150° F and you will burn your skin on a leather seat. Considering all the other safety tech and driver assistance is the same. That base model is a serious good deal.
This was a great review. Very seriously considering buying an ID.4 and really appreciated how thorough, yet practical this review is. Great perspective on things more typical drivers would value. Have an order currently in production for a Mach-E GT PE your son's review played a role in influencing. If I can get swing a good deal on the ID.4, as well as current Ford Edge, I can apply both federal and state tax credits, with a modest down payment and own it outright. With that, we'll be 100% electric and we have enough solar capacity to power both house and EV's so fuel/energy savings very quickly recovers cost of solar system. We both work from home, so cars will charge directly from the panels. I'm really excited.
Really interesting comparison. Buying ours in Europe the specs and options are a little bit different. My wife bought the Pro as a company car, and we speced with packages that we thought was important for us. I realize watching this video that the only thing we really miss when I watch your video is the IQ-light, and maybe (just maybe) the massage seats. We didn't want the glass roof, or the 20" wheels. So what we got was maybe what you in the US would call a Pro S light... 😀 I really agree that that 12" display is really nice (and was included in our package). I also like the head up display which is really clear and helpful and gives me a more relaxed driving. Plus! Plus! We got the Play and Pause gimmick on our Pro! 😉
This video really made my day!! Great job! 😎Thanks Kyle's Dad for the update info on the retro fit pause /play I'll be getting those for my ID.4 AWD next year.🤩
Great job, Dad! I think I’m out of a job with such a thorough comparison. Also big props to my Mom for being a great camera operator. Hope you guys enjoy this deep dive comparison between the base vs the maxed out RWD ID.4. Who wants more videos with my Dad??
Definitely! Great to get perceptions from other age groups and just those that aren’t as heavily into the EV world as you are, because that is who are generally buying these. Really appreciated it when he did the “Thank you EA for the electricity!”, ha, seems like a good guy that enjoys life, appreciate having people like him around.
Love your parents!!! I want more 💗
Yes. Great job.
Thanks Kyle for video. I just wish ELECTROFY AMERICA and ELECTROFY CANADA would build more charging stations everywhere as I had to call EA to find charging stations in Canada and we only have 2 Electrofy Canada stations in Toronto ,Canada's largest city of 5 million people
Your dad brings sanity to the proceedings; no more shredding, 192 clicks, or “gnarly” situations.
3:30 EA's 10 minute grace period means please move your car so others can use your spot. After 10 minutes, you will be charged a parking fee, even if you are on the free charging plan.
SUPER GREAT INFORMATION PATRICK
Excellent presentation! Father and son have similar talents. Keep building the team to cover more vehicles and engineering details.
You did a great presentation Dad! Mom handled the camera really professionally. Love Kyle! I was influenced by him and bought the ID.4 and have been taking great road trips.
The Pro S is $4500 more not $6000. Don't have to get the Gradient package for $1500.
True. Thx
Gradient package adds what? Sunroof and wheels??
Decided to get an ID.4 after driving model 3, model Y, Ioniq 5, Kona EV and a used model S. Then had to decide between Pro and Pro S. This video helped me decide to get the Pro S, non gradient. Thank you. Very helpful.
Grace period means that’s the time you have left until EA starts charging your account “idle time”. If left after the grace period, there is a small fee per min I believe. This encourages ppl to leave the station open foe other users. I think it’s fair. Great vid btw! I love my ProS😍
PS. I really thought I wanted a Y until I saw the ID4 then Kyle’s video. I already knew I wanted a VW. I’m loving mine even more so now when I saw your vid and I know I made the right decision not buying a Y and going for the ProS. Btw, when leasing you get both the fed credit upfront and in CA the state credit as well. No money down for me, zero interest. No brainer. And premium gas in CA is $4.69-4.89 per gal, at least in the bayarea.
How much a month? Please give me a quote. Thanks
So if you start charging and go in a Walmart, but come out over the 10min, they will charge you extra ? Seems aggressive.
@@ag4eng i feel it’s fair. Ppl tend to use the space to park until their heart desire. It’s a nominal fee. Cents per minute. Plus the charging was free to begin with. Unlimited for 3 yrs.
@@ag4eng you get notified on app and it take at least 1 hour to get full charge
Grace period means you have free charging, but not free parking!!! Know the difference or you will PAY.
Dad needs to be in more videos. He's great!
Thanks! I actually just upgraded to the ID.4 AWD in Moonstone; so thinking of making a comparison video vs. the RWD. Maybe I should do this before the Pro S RWD lands in its new owners driveway?
@@dconner9 yes!!!! I’d love a comparison of the two! I have an ID.4 Pro S Gradient AWD on preorder… I can’t wait to get notification that it’s on the ship 😍
Black top is nice but in Florida, it makes it an oven. Better to have the white top here.
Finally! A true detailed comparison from the real owner. Thanks. I ordered mine as an AWD Pro. Almost all "extras" on Pro S are not beneficial for us living in the south. Leather seat with no ventilation plus a black glass roof = a big greenhouse and butt burner that is prone to damage for hails or hurricanes. With the $6k extra, S still doesn't have HUD, 360 cameras, or seat ventilation. So other than the memory seats, power liftgate, and headlight, there's really nothing worth the upgrade.
Glass roof doesn’t get denied by hail. It’s a lot stronger than the metal roof.
You made the best choice
@CITY_HunTeR I am in total agreement with you, that’s why I got the Pro as well.
Got my 2022 VW Pro 82kwt . There is no end to all these goodies but in the end of the day you will need to pay like 10,000 after tax for all this. As a second car RWD Pro is good enough under $50k after tax
@@silvergameofthrone that's about what I paid for our AWD Pro
Great review. We are looking at the ID4 and was wondering which would be a better deal. Thanks for the detail video. Much appreciated.
That’s a sweeping turn - hairpin is sharp. Nice comparison…. Don’t take food off of your son’s table! 😂
They need to limit the tax credit to one time every 7 years it is taking it away from long term buyers and should be limited so as to off set cost for people who need it it’s government theft the laws need to be changed yesterday.
Great job Sir. I’m seriously thinking of getting an ID 4 up here in Mass
First, thank you Kyle - your ID.4 reviews convinced me to trade in my top spec 2yr old Avalon for the ID.4 - I’m very happy with the VW.
In NJ, the state incentive is $5000 for the Pro, $2000 for the Pro S (the incentive goes down if the msrp is between $45k-$55k). So for me, the difference between the two choices was a $9000 swing! That made it a no-brainer for me, I picked the Pro. Also, I contemplated waiting for the Pro AWD, but was worried the NJ state incentives would run out before the AWD became available. They indeed did run out - they paid out on the FY2022 EV incentive program in mid Sept. They are lobbying to add additional funding.
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Bec
Since you purchased both cars, you are eligible for the $7500 tax refund and free charging at Electrify America on both cars. If you sell the Pro, the buyer does not get the tax refund or the free charging on a used car!
Yes to the $7,500 tax credits. And yes to free EA if I were to have kept both. The buyer of my used car will not be entitled to the free EA. I was wrong when I said this in the video… Thx for watching!
I can see where Kyle gets his on screen talent from. Well done Dave! Excellent video from start to finish
Thanks!
🤣😂Free Charging "ONLY" within 30 mins (80%), it'll cost you if after 30 mins for 3 years
Great to see the two side by side. My wife ordered the same color but AWD PRO S model. The black and panoramic roof gives a better look.
Unique "Pause" and "Play" buttons: "Break & Accelerate" pedal covers.
// New to me. Cute.
Thanks for the review , great spin Kyle bringing Dad in for the review, kudos on the job, well done, I think he has passed on some great traits:)! This is my 2nd vehicle choice if I don't go w my first choice being RWD Ioniq 5 long range. Great informative review, ID.4 has started to arrive here in Vangroovy BC Canada w the first allocation of units being the Pro S all sold out, next 95 slated for a late Feb delivery. Enjoyed the video
950 miles? I do that in two days on my job. I ordered the AWD Pro S gradient. Hopefully it’s reliable. My wife has a Mach e which has better range. However, free charging tips the scales for me.
Dave, would you get the Pro S plus and do you think it's worth the extra money?
These are nice looking cars. Do report back after 30K miles or so. The major problem people ought to have is not to trust VW after what it's done.
What did they do?
Very good review. Cemented my decision to go with the Pro after watching Kyle do his thing. 4 months later and still no regrets. As we live in Florida the glass roof was never something we wanted, even with the cover.
One of the best and most thorough comparisons that I have seen. I have the First Edition in the same color choices as yours. The 3 free years of EA is nothing to sneeze at. I just went on a 3000 mile trip through the Rockies and Southwest and that saved a pretty penny on fuel. As far as the Voice, I call her Darling normally or Sweetheart when I think that she is nagging a bit.
Love this
THIS WAS A SUPER FANTASTIC REVELATION OF THE DIFFERENCES, SIMILARITIES IN A MOST FANTASTIC MANNER SO THAT WE ALL COULD EASILY UNDERSTAND. THE BIGGER SCREEN ALLOWS YOU TO PUT PART OF HAND TO STEADY FINGER ON TOUCH SCREEN. THIS IS FOR ALL INFOTAINMENT SYSTEMS, FOR ALL VEHICLES. LOVED THIS REVIEW. BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION; DO EITHER HAVE A FRUNK??? GOOD LOOKING SUV'S AND MOM'S SUPER SHOOTING REVEALS BOTH HAVE ALMOST SAME ROOF; JUST PAINTED DIFFERENT. ON WHITE, THE OVERLY PROMINANT COLOR OF MODERN SUV'S, WE CAN SEE THIS DIFFERENCE, BUT HOW WILL IT LOOK, REDISH, DARK BLUE OR BLACK! THE MASSAGING SEATS ARE A GOOD SELLING POINT, AS WELL AS THE LARGER SCREEN. MANY OF MY FELLOW SENIORS CAN'T SEE REAL GOOD, SO BETTER CLEARER GRAPHICS ARE A SAFETY BENIFIT.
No frunks here. No biggie :)
Trick question. They’re both awful.
kyle you better watch out your Dad is going to steal your job. No seriously Dave did a super job .
Awww. Thanks! But, nobody better than My son!! (Spoken w a proud dad slant of course haha)
That floppy plastic DC charging port cover would in the glovebox the first day.
Thanks! was really looking for a detailed difference in the two. This helped.
Good Job Kyle's Dad (and Mom)!!! Useful video and information!
I have an AWD Pro S on order. No idea when I can expect delivery...
So it's really a -$1500 cost difference. Because you'll claim two federal credits?
Thank you for taking time to share this video, very helpful!
Thanks for this valuable vedio following you from Jordan.
We have in Jordan
Id4 pure plus
Id4 crozz pro and I dont know which one to buy or to buy Id6 crozz pro or to move to rav 4 as it is 4x4 while others mentioned above are Rwd.
We dont have pro s yet
Can you advice me on what points shall I focus on and consider prior to buyiing
Appreciating your kind feedback
lol 2 years later and he has his own amazing channel!!! Love all those ppl
I think that grace period means you have to unplug before you got charged for "idling" with plugged in and not charging. You can still get charged for idling although no charge for charging. That's probably designed so no one leave their cars plugged after finish charging and give others chance to charge.
Great video. Greetings from Finland. Keep making these great videos for the channel.
Germans pay same and get less from Volkswagen. 2years warranty. No charging.
Good job, Kyle’s dad! Now we need part 2 from mom on why she sold her Model Y that she seemed to love so much, for a Macan.
I will let her know about the request :)
Who would not?
The chrome delete and white badging really look great.
Great video! Did I miss…. Why did you trade in the MY?
Insane trade in value on a Porsche :). We here in the Conner family are, let’s just say, opportunistic. Just remember, the only constant in life is change
Not sure about the EA free charging coming with used ID.4
I wonder. I know that the app identifies the ID4, the VIN. So it might be transferable.
I heard that it doesn’t. I was wrong! Apologies
do the the seats offer the same level of comfort except for the massage? is lumbar the same?
Good question. Both are comfortable, but the pro s seats are a different material and feel a bit better to me. O ya; and the massage :)
Great video Dave, I can see where Kyle gets his good looks from.
Love VW but have a Tesla M3 on order and if the Tesla MY comes out before the VW ID4 we may get that. Live in New Zealand so we tend to get the models a few years later than you guys in the USA.
Just wanted to take the time to thank you for this video. Watched the whole thing and I am not in the market right now. Did a great job and looked comfortable doing it.
Did my best!! Thx for watching :)
That was great! Thanks for mentioning about the lack of full stop/go active cruise control. I've watched a dozen ID4 reviews and you're the first to mention such an important function for a commuter like me
If you are in stop and go traffic and you have cruise control on, this is the only time the car will come to a complete stop on its own. If you are stopped for a VERY short amount of time (something like 3-5 seconds) the car will start again on its own when traffic starts moving. If the car is stopped for any longer than that, you will have to lightly tap the accelerator to get the car going again in cruise mode.
Who the hell is Kyle, besides your son? Nice video, but could use a little editing. Time to trade in the newest for the AWD for those CT winters?
Now we see from who your son got the talent. Excellent video and proud parents.
meh Kia EV6 is by far nicer bot exterior and interior.
Don’t disagree. But it’s not available here yet. I actually have one on order, I just need to see it in person before I pounce. The tech architecture on the EV6 is insanely good. I have said this before… So many cars, so little time!
This was great. I am interested in the Pro S , especially for the improved headlights, turn signal lights.
I didn't even consider the Pro when I ordered my ID.4. I wanted the better headlights, 20" wheels and illuminated grille emblem; wife wanted the red color. Our RWD Pro S w/gradient arrives first two weeks of January and we're super excited to leave ICE vehicles behind. Great review!!
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Awesome job! You’re a natural in front of the camera just like your son.
If you don’t mind, how much was the vroom offer? I have reservations for the id4 pro awd and the MY. I personally much prefer the comfort and ride of the id4, but seeing all the crazy high used prices of MY, I’m think the MY might be a better financial decision. I was wondering if the ID4 resale prices are just as good. Thx
Sold my RWD Pro to them for $38k. And the Pro S RWD for $44k.
@@dconner9 there not bad at all, especially factoring in the tax credit!
Love your reviews. Laughed when you opened the Pro S liftgate. My 2016 Ford C max Hybrid (for $15K) does this!
Dad is in on the action. First!
Great, highly informative video. I think Kyle has a high bar to meet. Outstanding review of the ID-4
Many thanks to you and your wife for this awesome comparison Dave, a very helpful review for those considering various options and trim packages. Did you find the ride more comfortable with the smaller wheels, as the sidewalks appear to be a bit higher?
Can’t really tell the difference in ride quality between the two different sized wheels. Keep in mind they put 21’s on these cars in Europe where the comparison to 19” wheels would be more obvious most likely. Just go w the 19” if you are torn. Higher sidewall should mean fewer pot hole blow out issues, better mileage, better ride and they look pretty darn good.
Kyle’s dad (and mom)! Nice car, even nicer reviewers - well done.
The only part that cracked me up was the last bit about the 12” infotainment screen.
You: bugs and lag had been fixed from the 1st Edition ID.4
*tap* *tap* *tap*
No response from screen 😂🤣
Hahah. I did see that. But thruthfully, it does work all the time for me cleanly. So weird that happened. It’s almost as if the little ID.4 was camera shy ☺️
They still cost too much for the average Guy..........My new CX30 fully loaded AWD list for just $27,700.......The average worker just needs an afordable, practicle price............Paul
I understand your point. However, 3 years of not having to pay for any charging… in your case gas, makes a big difference at these gas prices IMO… plus you don’t have expenses for oil changes etc. Definitely something to seriously consider.
I got $1,500 off my Pro, a $7,500 tax credit, plus $2,250 from the state plus 3 free years of charging so no gas expenses. I would have to pull up a spreadsheet to confirm, but it sure would be close holistically to see which vehicle would truly cost more over 3 years of ownership. But, I get your point as the initial cash outlay is far less the way you did it… Thanks for watching!
I think a base ID.4 still easily wins here, if purchased in the right state, and considering three years of fuel costs. In NY I got $1500 off MSRP, plus $9500 in rebates on a fully loaded First Edition... that is free to roadtrip anywhere in the USA, and costs pennies to charge at home on $0.04/kWh electricity at night. EVs are very attainable to the average guy if you consider all of the incentives, which dealerships are usually not too aware of, so it seems like they are very expensive vehicles when compared to their gas competition.
The 5.0 software update is going to bring remote parking and remote door unlocking and locking
Nice review, Conner's dad.
Best video i've seen comparing both models. I'm about to buy one this week here in Germany, and this helped me a lot. Super detailed information. thanks!
Not sure what people do for a living to be able to spend 80K on those vehicles. Good review though.
Not keeping both. Sold the Pro. In fact, I also am in the process of selling the Pro S in this video and got a Pro S AWD. Thanks for watching Joe!
@@dconner9 Hope you made a few bucks with this mania. Smart move. I'm definitely getting one once they start coming off lease. Not spending this kind of money on a car.
This was sick! Good review!!
I find it completely ridiculous that somebody here says "I tried to find this model and was able to find it" and in Canada, we got 150 deliveries this month for the WHOLE COUNTRY while we have THOUSANDS of people on waiting list to get one. But hey...good job VW...
36kw at 99% 🤯!! Those Germans.
Comparing to my Bolt EV, I'd get 36kw at 40%. Lol. Wow.
Next time I'm in the market, this will be my litmus. Plugging in whatever car I'm testing at a DC, see how much it sucks in at the top end.
A superb episode. Really useful info , well presented. Thanks, Dad, for a great review.
What about the WeConnect app, does it work now and update and can you do things remotely like heating, locking cooling and so on do you have the 3.2 update. How does the ADAS work, like lane assist
I took a Pro S out tonight for a test drive, I really wasn't expecting much, it was just on the list of cars to try. Does it have the performance of say a Model 3, nope, the big display of the Tesla, nope, did my back scream after getting out of the Pro S, nope, did I order a Pro S after watching this video, yes. For me it was a far more comfortable drive than the Tesla, also, I get mine in 2 months, according to the Tesla site made as I want it I can get a Model 3 next October....11 months. Anyways, thank you for taking the time to put this together, it's exactly what I was looking for in making my final choice.
I have been watching your and your son's information on the ID4 I will be Picking up my ID4 ProS tomorrow and feel that I have learned so very much about having made the right decision. Watching your instructions has helped this 80 yera old guy know how to drive his new car and know how everything works Thanks for your knowledge
I think that turn was a cloverleaf. A hairpin is (I believe) when the road does a 180 degree turn; essentially a u-turn road.
The 10 minute grace period means after you're done charging you have 10 minutes to vacate the space. After that a .40 cent a minute penalty starts accruing.
In canada s trim is only $3,000 cad or about $2500 USD and we got that for free due to cash back 😅
Looking to get a 2023 Pro S AWD. Was shocked to see so many 2022's still on the lot (many of them don't qualify for the current federal tax rebate!).
The glass roof seems like it would be greatly dependent on where you live. Probably nice to have in New England, but south Texas, not so much.
didnt specify tire type or air pressure in tires at time. these factors alone could make the difference in range, also the weihgt of drivers and other accumulated stuff in car. the extra powered accessories also effect range both in power consumption and weight.
The headlights are really making the look of the car! They're so cool! Great video, Dave! Keep It up! :)
Do you guys have some special connection? How do you get these cars? In NJ, you can't buy a new car even if you have a billion dollars. All lots are empty, not a car in sight! I just went to a toyota dealership yesterday and told me you're better off waiting for the 2024 models as all 2023 cars are practically claimed and will be moved off the lot immediately.
Maybe a cartwheel and a backflip to really spice up the video :) Good job old man.
Is the backseat heated in any of the versions? I have been trying to figure out if it is possible to get it with heated backseats but I do not see that mentioned anywhere. Seem like it should be on such an expensive car?
Great comparison lots of good details. Think I would get the pro and if I was going to spend extra money I would spend it on the all-wheel drive.
I was particularly interested and happy to hear that the headlights in the pro throw light just as good as the projector does in the pro s.
I live in the Southwest and UV input is massive in the summertime and so any car with a continuous glass roof is essentially a nightmare for us here, even though the VW does have a powered cover. Also leather seats have the same issue. Park outside for a while and that car is going to be 150° F and you will burn your skin on a leather seat.
Considering all the other safety tech and driver assistance is the same. That base model is a serious good deal.
Great comparison review i seen for ID4 . You did very very good Job i love it and made my decision .
This was a great review. Very seriously considering buying an ID.4 and really appreciated how thorough, yet practical this review is. Great perspective on things more typical drivers would value. Have an order currently in production for a Mach-E GT PE your son's review played a role in influencing. If I can get swing a good deal on the ID.4, as well as current Ford Edge, I can apply both federal and state tax credits, with a modest down payment and own it outright. With that, we'll be 100% electric and we have enough solar capacity to power both house and EV's so fuel/energy savings very quickly recovers cost of solar system. We both work from home, so cars will charge directly from the panels. I'm really excited.
Dave -if VW had made a 2dr Beetle EV they would have sell a TON + 1x to me!
Great job! Very thorough and entertaining.
Really interesting comparison. Buying ours in Europe the specs and options are a little bit different. My wife bought the Pro as a company car, and we speced with packages that we thought was important for us. I realize watching this video that the only thing we really miss when I watch your video is the IQ-light, and maybe (just maybe) the massage seats. We didn't want the glass roof, or the 20" wheels. So what we got was maybe what you in the US would call a Pro S light... 😀
I really agree that that 12" display is really nice (and was included in our package). I also like the head up display which is really clear and helpful and gives me a more relaxed driving.
Plus! Plus! We got the Play and Pause gimmick on our Pro! 😉
and the next on will be the GTX
This the car I'm looking hard at. My local dealership just called to let me know one is in stock.
Love the car in white. You and Kyle are my favorite car reviewers .. cheers from Chicago
I just ran into another white ID.4 at the New Haven EA station last night - it was not your Dad, however! Would've been cool to chat with him 8-)
Lol this road is a GREAT GREAT…..traffic jam ughhh
Haha story of my life also
Why both cars Have on right and left bumper PCs, orange tape ??👍🇾🇪😏
The limited edition id.4 1st Edition is a better deal overall compared to the pricier Pro S version, but are impossible to find at this time.
you're definitely a guy i could drink a beer with to talk about EVs.
Yea you lost me after you couldn’t figure out why there’s a 10 min grace period
Did your Pro have a gray cloth interior? I've only ever seen it in black and that's all that's listed on VW's as an option...
Interesting. Yea it had grey cloth interior and it was actually very nice
sell one for my dad. lol its all sold out
This video really made my day!! Great job! 😎Thanks Kyle's Dad for the update info on the retro fit pause /play I'll be getting those for my ID.4 AWD next year.🤩
I have the Pro S and all I have to say is this car gonna sell a lot road trip with this car is amazing. Excellent video