I like what you just said about a fan wants their team to win.... Me personally, I am a Ga Tech fan, I dont care what conference we are in. Im not a conference fan, Ga Tech fan
You might "heart" envy, but that's not at all what we're saying. The sport is being destroyed and the Big 10 is at the center of it. I'll think you'll see a lot people stop caring as it keeps getting exclusionary.
I’m higher on GT to B10. Just 5-10 years ago, they’d be first out after Clemson/FSU.. Athletic directors and conference commissioners I’d hope have a longer memory.
If Clemson went to B10, how much better would GT’s chances be? Tech already seems like a top choice to me- why not bring them along to maintain the Clemson rivalry?
@@saturdayswarriorbyu A full NFL-like group will be between 48-56 teams so the B1G has between 6-10 spots available assuming Northwestern doesn't depart due to athlete compensation. As a Northwestern alumnus and 25+ year season ticket holder having real students and not mercenaries/employees is important.
ACC equal revenue distribution between all schools has resulted in a decade of Clemson Football paying most of the bills for the ACC and 13 other schools including Title IX sports.
I like equal distribution for things like TV revenue, because you need everyone to play those games. But I think it's fair to reward the programs with post season success with a bigger piece of the earnings bright in from it.
I also hope the ACC stays together. Im fine with F$U leaving but would like Clemson to stay. I don't agree with GT would be left behind if the ACC does collapse. I think they would ultimately land in the Big 10. Big 10 has had its eye on Atlanta for a long time.
I agree with you 100% Tech is a team that definitely wouldn't be left behind. I could see them finding their way back into the SEC if things go too bad for the ACC. It's far fetched, but I can see it happening.
Georgia Tech, Miami, UVA, and UNC could be the quartet that goes into the B1G. This seems most likely if both ND and aTm doesn't come in over the next few years. Pitt is technically a stronger choice than Tech but Penn St doesn't want that. The funny thing about this is, Florida St is agitating so hard to make this happen. Meanwhile, the U is an AAU member while the Noles are not and the SEC doesn't want Florida St either. So the Canes probably end up in the B1G and they leapfrog Florida St on a permanent basis. They're about to be in the Big 12, and the U is going to little bro them.
In order to not have the same four big money teams fight over the trophy each year and have all of the other teams and fans loose interest, the inevitable landing spot considering the NIL problems and the disparity in tv revenue is something structured like the NFL. Players will need contracts and recruiting will need to include a draft and all teams share equally in tv revenue with extra incentives for teams with winning seasons.
Exactly!!! You hit the heart of the matter around 30min in. The Big 12 and ACC teams have fans too. I am one of them. Exclude my team and I will not be watching the Big10 or SEC. The only reason I watch those conferences is that my team has a chance and is relevant. Continue with this elitists, exclusionary reorganization and see how overall interest starts to dwindle. The excluded team’s fans will leave and along with them, their tv numbers aka their revenue. The winners need the losers to be relevant. Looks like these bird brains are loosing sight of that.
GT's branding started to sink when they stopped playing FSU annually, then the self inflicted wounds with the bad basketball hires and then Geoff Collins.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu If fate had GT in the same division with FSU instead of Clemson, we'd likely be talking about GT suing the ACC to leave. Before divisions and UM joined, GT was FSU's closest conference rival. Clemson started to over take them when Tommy Bowden started beating Bobby Bowden and GT's fate was sealed once they were separated into the other division, huge mistake to GT's branding IMO. Even afterward the GT vs FSU games were still close and had dramatic endings.
The brand started to sink when the old AD Dave Brain didn't think the program would win more than 8 or 9 games a season. He thought that Tech being at academic school wouldn't get the caliber athletes that they would always get. Then came the triple option offense. It worked good until Chan Gailey's recruits left and Paul Johnson couldn't recruit the same size players. That's when the brand took its hardest hit.
The Big 10 offered Stanford to partner with ND. ND turned them down, thus no on Stanford from FOX. The academics want Stanford, CAL, Duke, UNC and GT. Fox wants FSU, MIAMI, CLEMSON AND ND. ND and Stanford bring in FSU which brings Miami and GT and UNC brings Duke or UVA. Circa 2030. That's my guess
I heard that the B1G wanted to know if ND felt like they needed Stanford as a conference partner. It looks like they don't, and for the moment the Big Ten preference is to bring in ND along with Texas A&M if they can get an agreement. The ACC may not implode for a little while yet, but the B1G preference there seems to be Carolina, UVA, and Miami. They have the academics while delivering a state that's valuable. It could end up being those three plus ND, or aTm might come in with ND and then the B1G needs a fourth. The fourth could be Pitt, but Penn St won't like that and it doesn't deliver a new state. It could be Georgia Tech, but can they deliver the Big Ten Network in Georgia? Plus, they'd be the little brother to the Dawgs. It could go a lot of different ways, for sure.
Hilarious tale on the ac having the stronger position, when they and espn have led about the "iron clad" contract!, any youtube talking about their team, that is not, a viable candidate for the P2, has a similar take! Their conference is right and more viable! Not going to happen. The P2 will get their teams or of the acc and it will be more like the b12 in the end. Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
GT has no chance for the SEC, and only a slight chance for the B10 perhaps as a partner with another AAU School (Virginia or Miami). Most likely -- Tech will remain in the ACC.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I felt it was overly long with too much detail so I deleted most of my comment. My basic points were (1) the costs for FSU to leave will likely prove to be prohibitive, thus significantly delaying their exit from the ACC; (2) the ACC has been very proactive in defending itself over the years including the destruction of the Big East to get the schools it wanted and also the successful implementation of the GOR. I think the ACC will fight Clemson and FSU to the bitter end. (3) the state of North Carolina has alot invested in the ACC and will do what it can to protect the ACC. Bottom line --- I think the ACC will remain largely intact for the next several years and will continue to be a great home for Georgia Tech.
Great points. Also, even if/when FSU gets out, there's no saying whether other schools will also be able to leave. Either the ruling won't apply to them, too cost prohibitive, or no m nowhere to go.
I think everyone should look at the playoffs differently. There is at least 6 big 10 teams and 6 sec teams that are better then most of the schools if not all of the big 12 and the lower group and the acc take away florida state and Clemson and the same exist. So if the big 10 and sec are getting 3 spots and the big 12 and acc get 2 spots. I can promise you that there will be more teams in the power 2 that don’t get to the playoffs that are better then 90% of the teams in the acc big 12 and the group if 5? Plus don’t do like the pac12 did think they were better and worth more then they really are and that cost them everything… be lucky the power 2 are not asking for 4 spots each. Even if they did. I think that would be more fair. Imagine the best 2 big 12 teams go and you will have penn state usc Washington and Wisconsin not going and the sec you will have Oklahoma Tennessee lsu staying home? They should be happy with what they are getting
It's that kind of arrogant attitude that is leading to the destruction of the sport. Not only are you underestimating some Big 12 schools, you're forgetting to mention that at least half of the Big 10 is garbage. Teams don't deserve a spot before the season even starts. Keep the focus on the regular season and take the conference champions and a few at large teams (although I wouldn't mind dropping those too). If you want in, win your conference. Nobody made you form such a big conference with so many big brands. So, when teams get left out, no one will cry for you. Nobody wants to see a repeat of a bunch of conference games in the playoffs. The playoff is fun because different schools have access and it's fun to see new match ups.
You are entitled an opinion just like me. And I think everyone will gladly watch Michigan Ohio state Alabama over the best the big 12 has to offer. I am not denying they deserve a spot. Just pointing out that the schools the big 12 plays is not the caliper teams the big 10 or sec plays and you can tell by the way the money flows that money talks. I give props to the big 12 efforts but anyone that thinks the big 12 deserves the same respect as the big 2. You will be like the pac12 left behind.
I also agree that they should not have as many playoff spots maybe conference champs and that’s it. I liked the old system before the bcs. Then you had to play the whole season. I didn’t think 2 schools from the same conference should be allowed when there was only 4 spots. The conference can decide however they want to decide who will represent them. My opinion the first year of the bcs was good but nobody liked the outcome and from that point on it has been a popularity contest. I agree it’s not fair but money runs everything and money will control what happens unfortunately… not saying the big 12 doesn’t deserve to be there just facing the reality.. I think the big 12 should pull all strings do everything it can get Notre Dame florida state Clemson Miami and try to get Nebraska away from the big 10
Not a chance anything is decided within 2 years. There can't be a settlement because this is an existential threat to the ACC. It is not in its own best interest to settle anything. Court cases like this will drag out for years.
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Does GA Tech have a chance to make it into a power conference?
Thanks for having me on. Look foward to seeing all the experts show up in the comments.
Haha they always do, and I welcome it!
You should look "forward" to life in the AAC.
I like what you just said about a fan wants their team to win.... Me personally, I am a Ga Tech fan, I dont care what conference we are in. Im not a conference fan, Ga Tech fan
WreckTalk has the number 1 ga tech show online. Glad you brought him on for the conference realignment talk.
He's legit. I loved having him. Thanks for watching.
19:50 of code or so... what i heart is P2 envy! Plain and simple!
You might "heart" envy, but that's not at all what we're saying. The sport is being destroyed and the Big 10 is at the center of it. I'll think you'll see a lot people stop caring as it keeps getting exclusionary.
GT to the B1G is a natural fit and could have a rival in Purdue for the engineers trophy.
The fit is apparent. The question is whether they make sense at this point or whether the Big 10 wants other teams more.
I’m higher on GT to B10. Just 5-10 years ago, they’d be first out after Clemson/FSU..
Athletic directors and conference commissioners I’d hope have a longer memory.
You'd hope so. GT probably won't excite a lot of people, but they bring value, especially for the Big 10 trying to get into SEC country.
As a Big 12 fan I would welcome G.T.
Me too. There are other schools I'd go for first, but I wouldn't mind if we get them.
Nahhh, BIG 10 would take em first if and that's a big if the ACC folds.
If Clemson went to B10, how much better would GT’s chances be? Tech already seems like a top choice to me- why not bring them along to maintain the Clemson rivalry?
They could, but I think FSU is first on that list. How many more teams does the Big 10 really want to add?
@@saturdayswarriorbyu A full NFL-like group will be between 48-56 teams so the B1G has between 6-10 spots available assuming Northwestern doesn't depart due to athlete compensation.
As a Northwestern alumnus and 25+ year season ticket holder having real students and not mercenaries/employees is important.
@@fecat93 Many of the Tech folks feel similarly. Will always hold fast to excellence.
ACC equal revenue distribution between all schools has resulted in a decade of Clemson Football paying most of the bills for the ACC and 13 other schools including Title IX sports.
I like equal distribution for things like TV revenue, because you need everyone to play those games. But I think it's fair to reward the programs with post season success with a bigger piece of the earnings bright in from it.
I also hope the ACC stays together. Im fine with F$U leaving but would like Clemson to stay. I don't agree with GT would be left behind if the ACC does collapse. I think they would ultimately land in the Big 10. Big 10 has had its eye on Atlanta for a long time.
I could definitely see it. We will see.
I agree with you 100% Tech is a team that definitely wouldn't be left behind. I could see them finding their way back into the SEC if things go too bad for the ACC. It's far fetched, but I can see it happening.
Georgia Tech, Miami, UVA, and UNC could be the quartet that goes into the B1G. This seems most likely if both ND and aTm doesn't come in over the next few years. Pitt is technically a stronger choice than Tech but Penn St doesn't want that.
The funny thing about this is, Florida St is agitating so hard to make this happen. Meanwhile, the U is an AAU member while the Noles are not and the SEC doesn't want Florida St either. So the Canes probably end up in the B1G and they leapfrog Florida St on a permanent basis. They're about to be in the Big 12, and the U is going to little bro them.
This is a real scenario. All 4 of those schools make a ton of sense for the Big 10.
In order to not have the same four big money teams fight over the trophy each year and have all of the other teams and fans loose interest, the inevitable landing spot considering the NIL problems and the disparity in tv revenue is something structured like the NFL. Players will need contracts and recruiting will need to include a draft and all teams share equally in tv revenue with extra incentives for teams with winning seasons.
But with all that, we may as well just watch the NFL.
Why would the Big12 add Syracuse, BC, WF?
They wouldn't.
Exactly!!! You hit the heart of the matter around 30min in. The Big 12 and ACC teams have fans too. I am one of them. Exclude my team and I will not be watching the Big10 or SEC. The only reason I watch those conferences is that my team has a chance and is relevant. Continue with this elitists, exclusionary reorganization and see how overall interest starts to dwindle. The excluded team’s fans will leave and along with them, their tv numbers aka their revenue. The winners need the losers to be relevant. Looks like these bird brains are loosing sight of that.
Yup. It's completely changing the essence of the sport.
To me GT is on the fence... Could end up somewhere like the American if not.
I think they definitely have the wurst range of outcomes. They do make sense for the Big 10 on many levels, but it seems unlikely.
GT's branding started to sink when they stopped playing FSU annually, then the self inflicted wounds with the bad basketball hires and then Geoff Collins.
A couple good seasons could go a long way to correcting that.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu If fate had GT in the same division with FSU instead of Clemson, we'd likely be talking about GT suing the ACC to leave. Before divisions and UM joined, GT was FSU's closest conference rival. Clemson started to over take them when Tommy Bowden started beating Bobby Bowden and GT's fate was sealed once they were separated into the other division, huge mistake to GT's branding IMO. Even afterward the GT vs FSU games were still close and had dramatic endings.
Interesting. I admittedly don't know that much about GT history.
The brand started to sink when the old AD Dave Brain didn't think the program would win more than 8 or 9 games a season. He thought that Tech being at academic school wouldn't get the caliber athletes that they would always get. Then came the triple option offense. It worked good until Chan Gailey's recruits left and Paul Johnson couldn't recruit the same size players. That's when the brand took its hardest hit.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu Well... what do ya know
Some clarity to all. FSU is leaving, they already have the money for the worst case scenario. It’s just a matter of how much.
Yes. And Miami on standby to stroke a check for that same amount
Nobody thinks FSU will stay in the ACC long term. The question, line you said, it how much and when.
EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
Better than going to the American.
Bigten wanted Stanford but the media partners wouldnt pay more money for them and Stanford wouldn't agree to join the BTAA
Interesting. I hadn't heard that. It would certainly change how the Big 10 is approaching this
The Big 10 offered Stanford to partner with ND. ND turned them down, thus no on Stanford from FOX. The academics want Stanford, CAL, Duke, UNC and GT. Fox wants FSU, MIAMI, CLEMSON AND ND.
ND and Stanford bring in FSU which brings Miami and GT and UNC brings Duke or UVA. Circa 2030. That's my guess
I heard that the B1G wanted to know if ND felt like they needed Stanford as a conference partner. It looks like they don't, and for the moment the Big Ten preference is to bring in ND along with Texas A&M if they can get an agreement.
The ACC may not implode for a little while yet, but the B1G preference there seems to be Carolina, UVA, and Miami. They have the academics while delivering a state that's valuable. It could end up being those three plus ND, or aTm might come in with ND and then the B1G needs a fourth.
The fourth could be Pitt, but Penn St won't like that and it doesn't deliver a new state. It could be Georgia Tech, but can they deliver the Big Ten Network in Georgia? Plus, they'd be the little brother to the Dawgs.
It could go a lot of different ways, for sure.
Hilarious tale on the ac having the stronger position, when they and espn have led about the "iron clad" contract!, any youtube talking about their team, that is not, a viable candidate for the P2, has a similar take! Their conference is right and more viable! Not going to happen. The P2 will get their teams or of the acc and it will be more like the b12 in the end. Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
It's people like you that make people not like the " P2". I grew up in Michigan rooting for the Big 10, but find it hard to care anymore.
GT has no chance for the SEC, and only a slight chance for the B10 perhaps as a partner with another AAU School (Virginia or Miami). Most likely -- Tech will remain in the ACC.
What happened to the rest of your comment? I was coming back to read the whole thing and respond. I pretty much agree with what you left in.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I felt it was overly long with too much detail so I deleted most of my comment. My basic points were (1) the costs for FSU to leave will likely prove to be prohibitive, thus significantly delaying their exit from the ACC;
(2) the ACC has been very proactive in defending itself over the years including the destruction of the Big East to get the schools it wanted and also the successful implementation of the GOR. I think the ACC will fight Clemson and FSU to the bitter end.
(3) the state of North Carolina has alot invested in the ACC and will do what it can to protect the ACC.
Bottom line --- I think the ACC will remain largely intact for the next several years and will continue to be a great home for Georgia Tech.
Great points. Also, even if/when FSU gets out, there's no saying whether other schools will also be able to leave. Either the ruling won't apply to them, too cost prohibitive, or no m nowhere to go.
I think everyone should look at the playoffs differently. There is at least 6 big 10 teams and 6 sec teams that are better then most of the schools if not all of the big 12 and the lower group and the acc take away florida state and Clemson and the same exist. So if the big 10 and sec are getting 3 spots and the big 12 and acc get 2 spots. I can promise you that there will be more teams in the power 2 that don’t get to the playoffs that are better then 90% of the teams in the acc big 12 and the group if 5? Plus don’t do like the pac12 did think they were better and worth more then they really are and that cost them everything… be lucky the power 2 are not asking for 4 spots each. Even if they did. I think that would be more fair. Imagine the best 2 big 12 teams go and you will have penn state usc Washington and Wisconsin not going and the sec you will have Oklahoma Tennessee lsu staying home? They should be happy with what they are getting
It's that kind of arrogant attitude that is leading to the destruction of the sport. Not only are you underestimating some Big 12 schools, you're forgetting to mention that at least half of the Big 10 is garbage. Teams don't deserve a spot before the season even starts. Keep the focus on the regular season and take the conference champions and a few at large teams (although I wouldn't mind dropping those too). If you want in, win your conference. Nobody made you form such a big conference with so many big brands. So, when teams get left out, no one will cry for you. Nobody wants to see a repeat of a bunch of conference games in the playoffs. The playoff is fun because different schools have access and it's fun to see new match ups.
You are entitled an opinion just like me. And I think everyone will gladly watch Michigan Ohio state Alabama over the best the big 12 has to offer. I am not denying they deserve a spot. Just pointing out that the schools the big 12 plays is not the caliper teams the big 10 or sec plays and you can tell by the way the money flows that money talks. I give props to the big 12 efforts but anyone that thinks the big 12 deserves the same respect as the big 2. You will be like the pac12 left behind.
I also agree that they should not have as many playoff spots maybe conference champs and that’s it. I liked the old system before the bcs. Then you had to play the whole season. I didn’t think 2 schools from the same conference should be allowed when there was only 4 spots. The conference can decide however they want to decide who will represent them. My opinion the first year of the bcs was good but nobody liked the outcome and from that point on it has been a popularity contest. I agree it’s not fair but money runs everything and money will control what happens unfortunately… not saying the big 12 doesn’t deserve to be there just facing the reality.. I think the big 12 should pull all strings do everything it can get Notre Dame florida state Clemson Miami and try to get Nebraska away from the big 10
Half the Big10 and half the sec is mediocre to garbage, just like the other conferences lol.
The GT guy obviously doesn't know the case. The settlement will be this fall.
I agree that this fall feels really soon, but everything seems to moving at lightning speed these days.
Not a chance anything is decided within 2 years. There can't be a settlement because this is an existential threat to the ACC. It is not in its own best interest to settle anything.
Court cases like this will drag out for years.
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