Armor is calculated the same as it is in PoE 1. Armor alone has never been enough, you needed spell block, evasion, suppression, blind, freeze etc. There’s just a lot of imbalance in monster damage, melee viability compared to poe1 where melee was competitive and lack of defensive options on tree and gear. Armor is for frequent small hits, Evasion is for big crits and boss hits.
@@MikeyJ28 so its calculated on the old armor formula from poe1 not from when they buffed it. the old formula makes it 2.2x worse than the formula they currently use in poe1. The current formula in poe1 uses raw damage x 5 you would take where in poe2 and the old formula uses raw damage x 12. I agree though you cant use armor for everything but they need to change the formula in poe2
My point is strength based characters don't have access to life nodes like in POE1, but instead have lots of access to armour nodes. It's clear GGG intends for strength based characters to rely on armour as the primary way to mitigate physical damage. Unfortunately it doesn't work.. So now we have to go all around the tree to borrow nodes from (supposedly squishy) spellcasters and wear ES gear... The idea is int based characters rely mainly on ES, dex based characters on evasion and strength based ones on armour. They should be at least equally effective in their own way. Now armour is pretty much a useless stat compared to the others.
@ Yes that’s true but there’s more to it than just armor naturally being more effective. PoE 1 has better synergies for armor such as flasks, global defense mods, armor multipliers and auras like Determination and flat phys reduction mods on watcher’s eyes and body armors. All of these things make armor more effective because you have far more scaling options for phys.
Another thing that feels unbalanced is the focus on active defence (dodge rolling) combined with all the maps consisting of tiny rooms and narrow corridors or bosses that fills the entire arena with ground hazards.
Exactly. I just put a post on the forums about this. It makes no sense. Was already worried about that from before release. Though since the proper gameplay turned out to be like PoE 1 (or worse). I guess it doesn't matter much unless you are melee. Then it's terribly punishing, like 90% of mechanics in the game. But yeah, it's another thing that's completely at odds with the supposed design direction. Like they didn't think it through at all. And will they actually redesign these maps? I'm not so sure. As well ass a bunch of other big things.
I’m probably not GGG’s target-audience - I exclusively play games via co-op & multiplayer with friends. I assumed since they added couch co-op, they wanted to attack gamers like me. OH BOY!! This endgame is hands-down the most anti-fun multiplayer experience I’ve ever encountered! How did they possibly think it would be fun to sit in a Hideout after a death while your friends finished playing the Map without you? Do these developers have friends?
I don't necessarily think people want zoom-zoom, but rather, they want the feeling the progress. That means gearing, that means ripping through maps to find citadels, and so on. And all that, currently, rewards speed. Not only are the zoom-zoom builds less at risk of dying (which ends the map), but when quantity matters most (gets you more drops, and more points done finds you more citadels), well, zoom-zoom kills quantities. People will do what works, and, well, right now, offense works, so naturally, that's what people will do. Of course, that doesn't change that certain things do just feel bad to play (looking at you, Mace skills) while others are very ineffective. A lot of work needs to be done if the devs want the game to go a bit slower. There are a lot of stupidly overpowered abilities (monk Bell, Archmage, Shock). There are a lot of stupidly overpowered interactions (some crazy "cast on" builds, items that give you ES based on your health using your pre-CI health, rather than the 1 hp you have thanks to CI). There are a lot of very stupid design decisions, like keeping the core idea of how armour works from PoE1, the lack of hp scaling, magic find impacting currency... and many of these were issues in PoE1, and they not only didn't try to fix them for PoE2 right out the gate, they often brought back the systems from PoE1 when they were at their worst. And then there's stuff like the "+time" in abilities like Sunder, which make them very unfun to play. Skills are also very poorly balanced. If you look at the elemental skills, for example, there really aren't "single target" spells, spells that are meant to kill a single higher hp target. And the ones that do sort of exist (Frost Bomb, Ember Fusillade) have dumb mechanics in them that stop them from being that useful (both of the afore mentioned ones become worse if you boost your duration, which you want for a variety of other skills). A spell like Spark should be weak enough that you do not want to use it against bosses or even rares. It should be for clearing packs of white trash mobs. And there should be hard hitting, single target things for killing the high hp mobs. If that existed, much of the zoom-zoom would go away, because you wouldn't instantly delete packs of trash mobs. Overall, they'll need to tweak over half the current skills in the game, with quite a few needing careful nerfs that stop their scaling from getting out of whack in the end game, without overly negatively impacting them during acts 1-6. Except for a few things, like the Bell and Archmage, which both fall into the "Did they let an intern design these?" category, as neither should have made it into the game as is. And yes, Shades are a garbage mob and need to die in a chemical fire. Freeze on the whole feels horrible directed against the player, and pretty much means you have to run an anti-freeze relic. But Shades not only freeze, they are also near invis and untouchable most of the time. Another very, very questionable set of design decisions.
Basically one problem with this if you take away the bell monk has no way to really deal single target damage lol they become aoe only cause that's what their abilities do otherwise. Also I don't believe any skill should be limited to one situation and one situation only especially with how the idea of this games build style functions. Other then buffs and curses mean to lower res or other things of course those are meant to make you do more damage. It feels like they want you to be able to pick any ability and make it work for everything based on what stats, passives, and support gems you use. If you take one ability, like spark as you mentioned, and nerf it so that it can only kill packs of white mobs you have now made a skill that won't be used because players that theory craft builds don't generally want heavily button filled builds as that alone makes for a very slow playstyle which is never really favored in the arpg world.
GGG also said that they were moving away from binary status outcomes and change to build-up mechanics, but they just did that for stun and freeze on enemies only. Freeze (or any other ailment) should have build-up for enemies AND players. So, if you see you're getting freeze build-up, you could react on time, right now it's just poe1 RNG. "You're fine, you're fine, you're fine. Oh! you're frozen, you're dead."
@@crimsonblade2519 is this even true? I'm like 99% sure you can see your charecter getting freeze buildup by seeing frost form on your charecter and you get slower and slower movespeed and you get a status affect on your screen called chill I think?
@@stoplosinglilboy1461 chill is an ailment caused by all cold damage, which reduces your speed depending on how much cold damage was dealt, cold damage over time can have a fixed amount of chill. Freeze is a second ailment caused by cold damage and it's % based, like a critical hit. The same goes for ignite and shock, they're % based and it's been like that since poe1 12 years ago. It's an old mechanic.
I've always found the 'skill issue' argument odd. Whether something is a 'skill issue' or not doesn't correlate with it being a good or satisfying or rewarding or polished mechanic. You could make a game that's just constant flinch reflex test reaction time testing where you're one shot every second unless you hit the right key at the exactly right time. That would technically just be a matter of 'skill,' but it wouldn't be fun or particularly rewarding for most people.
@@jengaaaaa because just because something is diffucult doesent mean it's tedious the whole skill issue thing is wierd when alot of ppl use it as some sort of default argument I admit but not everyone likes easy games or only play games to chill which is what the people on the other side of this argument tend to forget. They tend to speak for all of us alot and say things like gamers just wanna come home after a long day and blast mobs. No that's what you want and I respect that opinion but seems like yall have no respect for our opinion. Sometimes yall think we convince ourselves to play thees games due to ego or something no bro I just genuinely enjoy the feeling of overcoming challenge it's fun to me matter of fact its the most fun a game can hold to me. Sekiro wasn't tedious to me it was beautiful whereas I get bored of minecraft easy and personally I find that tedious but it's not a tedious game I can see the value it has and why it holds so many ppls attention it's just not for me tho
It always seems like when I do a map that has nodes I get one shot by something stupid that I can't see. I redo the map at a higher level but now all the nodes are gone and I zoom through it without a challenge. Super frustrating! Appreciate the candid honesty about the state of the game here. I love the game but also share a lot of your frustrations with the punishments in end-game.
Thank you thank you thank you thank you. You have NO IDEA how refreshing this video is. I thought it was just me basically. I'm simply not having fun in it's current state. It's not fun. You brought up all the points I have issues with. Regarding Izaro. Yea I never thought I'd say I miss him but wow. He is truly missed.
Yeah. As a creator, it actually took me over two weeks to want to make content for this game because I had to find a way to make it fun enough to motivate me. It's just a grindy slog right now. I'm also sick of seeing the bait posters just post how amazing a broken EA game is
@@JorgenPOE i can imagine the burnt out. me playing as a daily casual i felt burnt out and have to take a few days off. (especially the mapping phase.) either too slow or too fast blasting everything. And at the end there's nothing much there probably just currency stacking for the new classes out.. for creator, i do think there isn't much to make for now. (other than trying other classes.) really appreciate your sharing of your feedback and summary so far, as a creator and the situation looking forward. 🙏
@ good idea. 👍 i'm also thinking creating a few more classes test and learn gearing. by then poe1, i heard gona have new league in february so ill prolly try that too. 👍
I was trading with a player earlier today. I warped to his hideout and I had to access the stash for the exalted orbs. The stash, for some reason, is right by the portals and map device. I accidentally take the portal and was immediately one shot by a blue mob. It broke the guys' tier 17 portal. There needs to be a 3 strike rule or something.
Yep the 1 portal pisses me off. I will be having a good day running a couple maps as soon as I die I’m just frustrated and I log off. Lost a divine yesterday and I’m still mad about it. Endgame should not be that madding.
Watching this video review is more rewarding than playing POE2. 10/10. I agree with everything you've said. Especially on the lack of drops overall. The issue is that the endgame of POE2 and POE1 are essentially infinite gameplay/grind where the only real way to feel that you're making progress is to count the loot you've obtained from play. Unlike in other games where there is fixed amount of content and once you've done it all, you've finished the game. GGG seems to be wanting POE2 to be a game with a fixed endpoint where the point of it all, is to get to the end (beat the pinnacle bosses) with the fewest resources and lowest amount of deaths.
Tbh I think my biggest disappointment in the game isn’t like, systems being weird or some QOL not being present in some areas, it’s that we already have an end game that’s just as fast as Poe 1. I’ve seen a ton of videos from a bunch of other content creators and they all seem to be in agreement, and I’m in this camp as well, it simply shouldn’t be possible to one shot the highest level difficulty pinnacle bosses. If you’re playing the strongest build, with a lot of investment, you have all the bells and whistles, 30-40 seconds should be the fastest you kill that content. I also think you’re slightly off the mark on what MOST of the playerbase actually wants. On the Poe 2 Reddit there’s a post asking for questions in an interview with Johnathan. Probably the most asked question right now is why the end game isn’t like the campaign.
"it’s that we already have an end game that’s just as fast as Poe 1. " - Yeah, and the problem is, there are a lot of big design decisions that are at odds with a slower more tactical playstyle. Which they allegedly wanted in the past. (I say in the past, because with the big stream and teasers right before early access, they seemed to suddenly be leaning relatively hard in the clear speed meta. Speed and clear nuking>all. Like, "Don't worry guys it's gonna be fast nuking like PoE 1!") They would have to change a fair bit if they want to bring it back to a more deliberate gameplay. Redesign maps, how certain classes work (melee in particular), tons of rare monster mods and mods in mechanics like ultimatum. (aka re-design or completely reconsider archnem bs they have been pushing for a while)
at the very beginning I thought the one-death thingy would be fun, but that quickly went away when I lost loot and citadels. Totally degrading, killed the joy for me, I have not logged in at least 4 days now.
It's ok on maps(and depends on balance). Should probably be made so that the map at least retains the extra content. Because when you lose that, re-running the map is pointless and you are just doing it to get the map out of the way, so you can get to actually good map. But I agree on some bosses you should probably have a bunch of tries, at least. (boss resets but you can keep trying)
Im playing galvanic shard wictchunter after playing arsonists witch and its insane how slow the minion build was. The difference is I didn't die on the minion build. I got to tier 15s and I was pevel 86 when I switched and my merc is 82 in half the time.
Welcome back! Great video - I couldn't agree more re: visual noise. I've lost count of how many times I've died to the purple chaos orbs that are spawned by the plants. Drives me nuts!!
I have never died to those (or the hag orbs, they are so easy to avoid). And I am melee slammer, so I have to dodge like crazy and avoid a lot of things as well as pay a lot of attention to positioning, to have a chance. The chaos orbs and that sort of volatile crap is easy to avoid with ranged. Visual clarity is pretty terrible often enough. Either way. (mostly have died to ground crap that's invisible/under terrain, freeze, visual clarity issues with the mobs that die but stay upright as if alive, super tight pathing spots on some maps etc. And ofc. just getting big dmg blitzed sometimes, depending on map mods)
Appreciate your experienced input in this. As a new player to ARPGs, I'm still learning the game and style of play of these games. I really hope they don't nerf things without balancing it out and buffing other aspects of the game, like you said.
Really appreciate your candid takes in this video. It was tough to wait until the end to comment because so much of what you said resonates with how I feel, both as a player and as someone who posts an occasional video. I don't have much to add to what's already been said. I am having fun despite the game's many problems, and I think my biggest gripe right now is I'd like to go back to playing a game instead of having the game play me. Appreciate you man!
i just got to your rarity section and had to chime in. I 100% agree with you. Having a stronger build with no rarity feels unrewarding.... like i did something wrong. I actually went back and had to mess up some of my resists to get rarity on my gear and now, even though im not swimming in rarity, the game feels so much better. for example: i was entirely unable to sustain T15 map drops previously with no rarity on my gear, and i was spec'd into the waystones drop a higher tier in the atlas tree.. T15 maps were super rare for me. now i have about 78% rarity through my gear and ive dropped the atlas waystone level for just more rarity in my maps, and now when i run a T15 map i walk out of the map with around FIVE t15 maps EVERY TIME. seems kind of counter intuitive to abandon waystone level for rarity and get more T15's so clearly some tuning needs to be made for sure....
100% great takes. I laughed and agreed with all of them. Not to mention the performance issues... My game was working great for a week, then the cpu goes haywire, then better again for a week, now bad again. I can't understand what is wrong... Wild.
PoE2 made me appreciate PoE1 so much more. I hate not being able to craft my own gear. I play trade in 1 but I do solo self craft. Where I don't buy gear, except unique. I farm my own mats, sell the ones I don't need then roll that into the ones I do need. So I am constantly changing mechanics throughout the league. This empty map without even a boss bullshit is never going to work as an endgame for me.
Trialmaster fight (for 4th ascendancy) is a boss fight without the mods of your full run. He is hard but all attacks are well announced through what he says, once you learned the patterns. On my previous cold sorceress build, this battle alone was a 15 minutes fight but it was a great fight and in general, the clarity is good. I recommend the fight if you haven't tried it even once but if your goal is to ascend, then watch a video first. He also rarely drops Adorned :)
I'm thinking remove honor for everywhere except the boss room and remove honor resist (or sliding scale based on class/proximity) would be a good compromise.
Great review bro! I agree with every one of your postulates. I especially want to note your concerns related to visual problems and class imbalance. I want to see your bleed build one-shotting bosses. I wish you all the best!
Rarity is an issue on gear. You’re torn between knowing a new piece of gear is overall better, but if you take off that rarity stat, you’re cursing yourself to find dog shit for a while.
I just died in hcssf with a 1300hp 700 energy shield monk 65 evasion to a pack of white mobs Iron Sharpshooters that perma stunned and thanos snapped me... I felt super tanky againts all the bosses ive faced but i die to some ramdom white mobs... Im playing SSF now lol
Invoker is the best way to make armor work due to the armour coming from protect me from harm cannot be overwhelmed. It's busted that node is 100% getting nerfed.
How to fix PoE 2: Start by nerfing everything by 100% as a starting point, and focus on turning the game into PoE 2 with its own identity rather than a copy-paste of PoE 1. We're still playing the same game where AoE is all that matters, one-shots only, and screen-clearing abilities define the gameplay. What we need is combat that respects multiple build options and allows builds to revolve around functionality and playstyles rather than a singular focus on clear speed. Otherwise, nothing will truly matter. It is the perfect definition of ilusion of choice.
Yeah, I pretty much agree, will it happen though? It really seems like it's going to be PoE 1 with better graphics. At best. Cus PoE 1 has a lot over PoE 2 right now. PoE 2 should have compensated with better gameplay.
Only I have with mobs are those on the ground effects I’m past res caps an those things with small pathing burn through my health an 3 different defenses it needs to be tuned dwn
Great video, I have parked the game for now but good to hear their are others out there who actually know what they are talking about have similar thoughts to myself
It's driving me crazy to hear that Monk is well tuned. Some Quarterstaff skills are very strong, most of them are either bad or really abysmal. Every single monk build is playing with the same 6 skills or so. Have you ever seen anyone use skills like Frozen Locus? Nope, all the wind skills? Nope. Monk is fun and some skills like Ice Strike and Tempest Bell are strong and feel fun to use (aside from the targeting being some of the worst I've seen in any HnS game lol) but Quarterstaff in general isn't doing that great if you don't focus on the few overperforming skills.
Wow mate, you really said it all. I've been feeling very similar to this. Trying to grind out a crossbow gemling for weeks using incendiary shot and switching to xplo shot because the ad clear was terrible, then nothing working right. Spending probably a week trying to build my character strong enough to take on the trial of chaos for fourth ascension, and still getting nuked by stupid mechanics. Spending weeks frustrated that I'm not seeing a single divine drop despite absolutely no-lifeing this game. Then finding out the crossbow "jams" and realising most of those deaths weren't just me being a bad player. I hated breach and ritual because if my crossbow "jams" I'm just completely dead, and i lose the map I've been juicing like seven towers for days to hopefully finally see a divine orb drop on, gone in one second. Really gave this game a fair chance, and I might keep playing but with armour being completely useless and so much built up frustration, we'll see. Hope you have a good one mate, you just earned a subscriber.
Cheers man. Yeah, these were all the reasons I didn't make content for over two weeks. It's like searching really hard for good things to say but you anything you find will just be cope lol
Deadeye and Warden are the best classes in PoE 1 too. I’ve said this for years, if you’re playing SC trade, ascendency QoL and damage is king. You can buy defenses via gear and skill tree for far less investment. The problem you run into in PoE 2 is the dogsh*t one death per map. Imagine if you lost your Aul node in Delve after one death. If poe1 didn’t give you multiple attempts per map/boss, the game mode would not be popular.
@@JorgenPOE yep, it’s demoralizing. when I first started delving a few leagues ago it took me dozens of attempts but now I can do all of the bosses without getting hit (usually) if I had to spend an hour farming a new boss node per attempt… NOPE
I feel like sanctum and ultimatium were the 2 mechanics in POE1 that I avoided the most and to come into poe 2 and then its like hey guess the only ways you can get your acendancy now...ffs.
Sanctum I pretty much never did. Ultimatum I played a bit with some characters, but it's pretty different in PoE 1 anyway. Not really comparable to what it is in PoE 2. And it's especially horrendous for melee ofc. Even more than probably anything else in the game. In my experience. I haven't tried to run it much, for that reason.
I play ARPGs for the casual grind aspect. That doesn't exist in endgame bc the difficulty of a white mob one shotting you makes for a constantly sweaty experience. So I reach endgame and reroll... or wait for a big patch
I mean, PoE 1 has very similar issues. And worse, in some regards. You can run into rare mobs in T2 map that are stronger than T16 shaper guardian. But I guess you can just run past those(unless they are soul eater turbo speed, which also brick certain types of content). And white mobs can slap pretty hard until you have some solid defenses. But you just kill them usually without getting to hit you. Especially if ranged, that's similar in 2 though. Still, in PoE 1 you have more defensive options. Yet, not as simple in SSF, same in PoE 2. In trade, everything is much easier. And in PoE 1, to feel tanky in late game and juicier content, you have to hard invest in 4-5 defensive layers. Even then, it can be sketchy sometimes or rough in some content. (and go from taking 0 damage to getting 1 shot suddenly)
The big thing for me. Is the one portal aspect and reforge bench is just stupid to use for upgrading waystones, ess, distilled is just vendor recepie with extra steps. Just feels clunky.
This is why I've always come back to you for insights on PoE, this video is spot on. I know you mention that you're going to get shit on, but I don't think so. You speak the truth, brother. I hope to hell that Jonathan watches this whole video. Other creators have made similar videos, but yours resonates with me in so many ways because you emphasize the most critical issue facing all of us gamers: WE JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN. Not easy-peezy, but fun. I spent a lot of time watching your videos on PoE1 because I was a Delver, but you're grown to be one of the best commentators on the whole genre. Keep bringing it brother.
I dont think the problem is melee (as you mentioned, monk is fine) or warrior (the warcry/totem supports are ok). The real problem is mace skills. Yea, a big wind up for huge dam is cool. But it become significantly less cool if the mobs come at you at 300% MS. It also becomes significantly less cool the 343 time
Just wanted to chime in and say I enjoyed the video, and while your points about making slow content more rewarding is interesting, I don't think such an idea is able to be balanced because builds that do slower content than other builds are always going to pull ahead. Aside from that, loot and "crafting" are in a terrible spot to support endgame progression.
I'm not even gonna waste my time trying to play the current end game until I get all 6 classes to it with both Ascendancys, so basically 6 characters played twice
Great Video. I have 200 hours played, got 2 92 chars. The game turned from 9/10 on campaign flow (i started warrior and thats why 10/10 wasnt possible). But it degraded on cruel to 7 or 8 and in endgame it turned into zoomzoom screenclearing, insta killing bosses and those occosional oneshots . Endgame for me is a 5/10.
I felt like deadeye archer without twink gear or currency surplus still felt like a slog in campaign. Can't even fathom what warrior must have felt like.
I chose deadeye before game released. Purely based on the fact I expected GGG to have the class down as years of experience with mechanics of that class. I felt act 1-3 was a slog. But a breeze thereafter. Also worth noting. I played act3 and 4 with another player and that felt vastly better. More drops. Less punishing. More exp. I really think people should try more group play. Makes a huge difference. Almost night and day.
Further to this, Super keen on next PoE1 league and playing in a full party with guild mates again. I have found due to visual clarity issues in PoE2, I've only been partying with one mate, playing the same build (Stormcaller Arrow Deadeye) so we can actually see what is going on in the game (the 1 portal system ties into this)
After over 200 hrs most as warrior i am still having fun even in maps but i understand. I agree one death is not needed and absolutely a game breaker for many. When is the poe1 new season coming you think? Or when the next big update in POE2
Thank you. For years I had thought game devs were the issue and while games have gotten weird the last few years with forced perspective, gamers are a bigger issue. People have forgotten how to have a discussion and conversation. Players currently seem to be (in majority) playing with blinders on either side of the fence of the game is great "git gud it is just in EA," or "This sucks it is too hard." Neither of those statements are discussing the issues to help improve the game or highlight what is working. PoE2 marketed amazingly. It is a very good premise for the game we should have. It also has massive issues with currency bloat, having to level everything and trying to remember everything needing levelled and with what mats. The game is math and the consequences for everything is excessive from death exp penalties to losing maps you have used loads of mats on. Ways to tune the lose of maps is to give a few mats back when the map is lost. Losing experience on death based on what you map level you died in as opposed to a flat rate death tax. Many of us do not enjoy having limited time to play the game and losing 2 hours worth of experience in 1 death. Rares with prox/haste and siphon in a tier 18 map, really? Melee has to play a boom and zoom build. The constant comparison to poe1 is weird as well. Poe1 is not new player friendly but it is also a 1 size fits all super saiyan build game. We thought we were getting away from that. We are not asking to be handed anything, we are asking to enjoy the game without having to feel penalised for logging in. Tl;dr Math is involved. Your math teacher would love these guys. It feels more out of control than poe1
I got to about tier 6 waystones and got bored. Lack of loot (I have no rarity on gear), and lack of variety were issues for me. Lack of loot filter support on console was also a big issue for me. I’ll come back after it matures a bit. It just doesn’t feel fun or rewarding enough in maps/waystones. Campaign was fun though.
Lack of variety is big for me. Esp. with melee warrior type, it's nightmare to try and engage with different content. Like Ultimatum, breach, delirium to a degree. (and there is nothing really fresh that is totally new to PoE 2... Ultimatum kinda pretty different to PoE 1, but it's overtuned and hell for melee) And I dislike most of the maps I have on the Atlas. Not a good feel to constantly see map I'm about to run and be like "Ugh, I don't want to run this". I have done all mission up to tier 15+ though. I haven't finished that one yet. (on SSF)
I think they should keep rarity. Bump up standard rarity up like 100% or something and nerf gear rarity down by like 50%. The numbers don't matter but the concept of buff and nerf. That way non-rarity builds still get gear and currencies, but rarity builds still get rewarded for nerfing their characters. I hate the one death per map mechanic so much. However, I do believe this won't be permanent. I think it's only added to slow progression in beta specifically and force players to play strong builds so they can nerf it (call me a conspiracy theorist). Honestly, GGG is probably trying to see how many of the mechanics from POE1 that they can migrate over. Then, they add in new and fresh mechanics in the following leagues. I cope thinking they already have new mechanics but are trying to like stack these mechanics for future leagues.
And that completely annihilates melee. Who can't move and attack at the same time. Which is also true for the vast majority of rare mob mods and other mechanics. That are extremely punishing for melee, but barely relevant for ranged, that can also move and attack at the same time. (WASD movement itself is great though, it's natural evolution for any game wanting to have better core combat, but other design decisions are where the issues lie)
PoE 2 has an identity crysis, "souls-like-arpg" combination only works for the campaign, after that you HAVE to make your character 100x stronger, 10x faster and infinitelly tankier otherwise you'll be stuck in a soul-like character where the world around you are filled with Arpg monsters trying to grab your ass. DarkSouls and related games works because you are 100% of the time fighting against 1, 2 or 3 "magic equivalent monsters" at once, and the most important part YOU CAN SEE what's happening all the time, not 100's random monsters with random mods, and random on-death effects in random maps with random mods that you can't even modify. People will ALWAYS try to play PoE1 builds into PoE2, cuz that's the only way to have fun and get less frustrated in this frustration simulator game. After ~250 hours I stopped playing this and got back to PoE1 just to see how the things are going and man... what a great game! I'm not sure if making this a separate game was the right choice. At least, trying to make it different in every aspect for sure was the worst decision they could've made.
So mindlessly zooming is the only way to have "fun"? I thought the point of PoE 2 was to make better gameplay than PoE 1. There aren't games with good more intricate gameplay, which aren't super fast, that are fun? So your idea is to make all builds and gameplay like PoE 1(even worse kinda). What is even the point of PoE 2, better graphics?
The game has a good base, i just think it fell quite short for the GGG standard. It seems like they are making the same mistakes they learned from the past? - The first campaign experience was easily a 9/10, fully immersed but the story was okay. - The end-game turned into POE 1, with herald chain explosions into first week ranger just being 70 percent faster than anything else. - Next week the wave of builds doing anywhere from 5-100 million dps, effectively 1 shotting the Arbiter/Breach 4 boss. -Re-leveling is much faster now, but still fucking annoying. -The one portal rule feels awful, especially when learning a boss. - Literally dozens of explosions, with worse visibility than POE 1(wtf?). -Towers/juicing feel hollow and soulless. -Millions of bugs(as expected). The game sits around a 7.5/10 for me as of now.
Agree with pretty much everything you said. Thank you for making this video. So many of my friends are frustrated by what you point out. 1. 1 death per map is a horrific decision. 2. Trials are way overtuned. Not sure why this is an endgame. 3. Armor is absolutely in a bad place. 4. We need some + life nodes and armor fixed so we can layer defenses. Way too many 1 shots if you arent heavy into ES. Unbalanced.
I agree with a lot of your points! I think ultimatum and sanctum should stay in the game but are not used for ascendancy. It is good that a ton of new players are hooked on PoE2 and a lot of the issues we know of in end game don't affect them as of yet
I'm at around 200 hours now, getting a little burnt out. Enjoying it quite a bit overall, but I'm getting sick of getting random one shots, even at a multiple mirror level character. Magic find feels pretty lacklustre to me. I haven't found a single high value unique outside of farming boss specifics like Ingenuity etc. My biggest gripe is not being able to zoom out of the map zone, to see where I've pathed to. I get lost so much because I can't retrace my steps and end up going off in a completely different direction. I'm actively stocking up on S tier Armour/Life items for any impending nerfs. As for zoom zoom builds, I think they will always exist.
Visual clarity is bad atm. Roofs of buildings and trees dissipate too late. I once had a tornado appear at the base of my screen and block 80% if my screen :(
One of many things that bothers me is that I have to spend too much time choosing which map to play. It was way better with scarabs - which is a pretty bad thingy - because we could choose the mechanics we would have in the map instead of choosing how to use my low value waystones to open path to better maps.
to be honest i got to give them the campaign S tier. for the end game = i think 6-12 months/or more, is more realistic. i do agree with dropping the game tad early, especially the end game part/ trial seems last minute copy paste. Another 6 months for the end game would be developed better. The game so far is good. Though There's still quite a lot things in development phase. 1) other 6 classes. 2) end game content. 3) end game mechanics bosses. 4) act 3-6. 5) gears, weapons, uniques etc. so there's quite a lot of success, also quite a lot of diagnosis like some pc can't run etc. so i think early bit testing can get them some info on how to fully launch successfully next... i do think trial and mapping is like gate keep to buy time for endgame development.
They really need to fix Armour. Having warriors(who are supposed to be tanky in heavy armour) running around with energy shield wearing a nightdress is just atrocious!
Agreed they just need to update the formula, they changes it in poe in 3.16 to buff armor and they kept the old formula in poe2, which makes armor 2.4x weaker than it should be. So hopefully they just update the formula and i think it would solve some stuff
It's bad and it slows you down on top of that lol Keeping in line with melee, everything sucks AND it slaps you with disadvantages on top of that. (like the nodes on the tree, get dmg? take that -% attack speed too)
I saw that you like Trials, but they really suck right now. The penalties and debuffs are ridiculously brutal, and after they balance that issue, maybe it will help with how well they're received. Either way, I think the trials are biased against melee (excluding Monk). I think Jorgen makes all valid points though.
Two words: Early Access There is only the mace for the warrior currently. The foundation is there and hopefully GGG fixes the balance and the issues that this was designed to find and fix
@ to a degree, I was thinking more along the lines of a Pirate. Captain Obvious at your service LOL (or for those familiar with the US Radio Bob and Tom show) “Long time listener first time caller”
Not a great point considering a lot of core design is where many of the issues are. Yes, more content and balance will help, but it won't solve some big issues, unless more significant redesigns and reworks are done. (If they actually want more engaging gameplay than zooming and exploding screens of mobs)
@ agree wholeheartedly and they have the opportunity to tune it back and rebalance. As the post stated it is not great at the moment and there are many issues that need to be addressed and fixed. Hence, wait for it, Early Access. The real question is what they do now that the holidays are over and they see how many issues there are that need fixing. Still have hope for the game as the foundation is solid as stated. It’s literally the first month of beta testing if we are being totally honest
I agree with many things you've brought up in this video. I have about 280hrs in PoE2 now. (Thousands of hours in PoE1) One Poral system : Agree 100% Even the One portal system could be improved if in a party, why can I not revive my other party member? Even THAT would help alleviate some of it and promote party play. It is way too unforgiving losing your waystone to some random ground effect that was hidden under an environment layer etc. Campaign vs endgame : I have levelled 12 characters through the campaign so far, I've rushed a few of my guild mates through the campaign also. I've progressed T16 maps etc however the only "Pinnacle Boss" I have encountered so far is Olroth (expedition) trying to farm up the other resources for other boss encounters (breach simul) is a gigantic slog.. I can say the campaign, I would have preferred they released EA with more acts over a half baked endgame system, I suspect they will remove or completely overhaul how the atlas works, we saw it in PoE several times so there is a good precedent there. I've recently made a Deadeye (1=2 div build with 120% magic find) and I can 100% say that rarity and drop rates are an issue in this game and need tuning. I saw a difference almost immediately. Honestly, I didn't mind Trial of Sek too much, I enjoyed farming relics (I was a sanctum enjoyer in PoE1), Ultimatum however is a different story, it either needs to be tuned or needs to be removed. Keen to see where we land after the first major patch.
Do you feel like maybe the endgame maps are too big ?, this could fix some of the time grinding tedioum issues with slower attacking/moving characters, this could also encourage builds that aren't just zoomies, for me personally reaching t14+ and being able to kill more elite enemies feels alot more rewarding then throwing endless mobs into blender while using the either or of the 2 AOE META options regardless of class everyone uses, at the end of the day what's the point of having POE 2 if it's just a incomplete POE 1 copy paste
Honestly if they clean up some of the AoE on death environment attacks nonsense, keep 1 portal on non boss maps and just give us 3 for boss maps/pinnacle fights with boss HP resets
Its PoE... Its a copy and paste build here game. Everyone lets people make builds and people just copy. We need build diversity but players are to lazy to do it themselves. There's a difference from move speed to attack speed. I don't care about move speed that kind of speed is not fun but attack speed is to me. Your right people do play fast builds more. Let them have fun. Its about play STYLE. Not speed.
I agree with everything you said. People should be able to voice their opinion on a game that you invested money and more importantly time on. I find it very disingenuous when the same gatekeepers from POE 1 are bashing you for saying how you feel. I don't want the game to become like POE 1, while POE 1 is a good game, it does have ALOT of problems specifically how hard it is to get into. The game is also overly convoluted and the community pretends that they are welcoming until you say anything about their precious game that they don't like. I've been playing Poe 1 from War of the atlas and I've fought a pinnacle boss finally in affliction league.
I feel the slower builds would be more interesting if the endgame wasn't just killing large mobs of enemies and featured more bosses. If there was and endgame mechanic (or a trial that can go to endgame) that was just bosses I think the slower warrior style builds would be much better. I don't think speed of play style matters, but as you said speed of rewards really matters.
Like the nodes where there is a boss in the map, they can just change it to make the map one big arena with a singular juiced boss in it or a multiple normal boss rush.
So I’m new to POE 2 and I have a genuine question. Is the game truly meant to be this slow regarding gear progression. I’ve just got my 3rd character to endgame and this time I played more purposeful. Looking at every gear piece for my build I could find through drops and vendors. I managed to get through the campaign with no major issues or set backs. But once I got to mapping I couldn’t help but feel like I came to a screeching halt. Throughout my whole campaign, no matter how many vendors I checked and pieces of gear I slammed with orbs I never got to the start of end game with a reasonable amount of resistances. So is the intent of the game to slow you down this much in end game, to have to map slowly until you find gear that doesn’t break your current build while also assisting in your resistances needs. I don’t want to trade with this character play through but, I am not confident in the prospect of actually being able to get the gear, or craft the gear I need to progress through mapping. Not having played POE 1 was it the same there? Was trading the most efficient way of powering up your character? Or are there crafting systems set to come from POE 1 that give players a little more control over their gear and builds. While not having to rely so much on trading.
We really area unsure until their video on the weekend. The game's progression is pretty unfun right now due to what you point out. They will either go to fix this or make it worse though.
I killed xehst yesterday and still haven't seen a citadel. I got off work last night and was like "I don't want to do this anymore." If your grind breaks me...its to much. My toon can kill pinnacle bosses, I have no need to continue to farm and not gain actual progress.
I will always play whatever is clearing maps the fastest as currency is king. And once we have a loot filter on console I can finally turn off gear drops.
I think most of their decisions are to make the combat immersive. They want every action to have meaning. I think they can do it. It is only immersive during the first play through as you are being careful with everything and less stuff going on on the screen. After that it is just a arpg. Their highest challenge is how to make it immersive and engaging during endgame without making it zoom zoom. Zoom zoom is a poe 1 thing anf what make poe1 great. They may have to rethink their combat, skill tree and skill gems. I think thats is more important than pumping out new classes and ascendary And i agree with you, poe 2 should not take took much from poe 1. They may have took too much from poe 1. And also they seem to want everything for the game. I think they may have lost track when making endgame or maybe endgame was a rushed work so not much though is given to it
To make an end game feel like the campaign is not trivial. They would need to rework nearly all of the game. They have no design or goals for the end-game. Which leaves the campaign feeling more like a technical proof-of-concept.
I'd like better flow than deleting screens regardless of what's in front of me. I've been playing warrior, and I'm not looking at what other people are doing. So far, it flows kinda nice. Leap slam from pack to pack plus bone shatter. For bosses I break their armor, stun them, warcries, sunder + hotg and the fight is over. For sure the game needs a lot of tuning.. the easiest thing to do would probably be turning it into poe1. I really hope they don't do that. I like poe 1, but it already exists and isn't going into maintenance mode.
Thank you Jorgen, I appreciate this video since there's a lot of people still stuck in that honeymoon period. It's a shame since all I want is for the game to be even better than PoE1, but you can't do that if you don't criticize it...
I'm playing warrior SSF, I have poop gear, everything's slow, and honestly I'm delighted I can only get buffs at this point haha. I might not be able to kill any end game uber bosses but I can do an Ultimatum 10 with level 80 mobs. Good enough for me. My only wish is that they buff armor somewhat
I think the 3 areas of POE that are poorly designed are the Ascendency acquisition system (this should just come from beating end of Act bosses), the overall game speed (it's too slow & that makes every subsequent playthrough boring) and the scarcity of drops (I should not be wearing a piece of gear for 20+ levels). These 3 areas eat at every aspect of the game design- it is so poorly thought of that I think GGG fundementally are bored of the ARPG genre and in making these design choices it reveals a design within GGG to make a different type of game but can not wholly.
I honestly think melee skills should impart somekind of buffs, increased damage reduction and movement speed, duration adjusted to last between packs. These buffs immediately get removed when using a non melee skill. Hell half the best warrior nodes reduce attack speed... rediculous.
Nah, melee should always get the most brutal disadvantages and none of the advantages. Ranged should get all the natural advantages it has, and tons more on top of that. (like rare mob mods being designed to crap on melee hard but be practically irrelevant to ranged. Oh, they added 1 to annoy ranged, proximity. But it annoys melee too actually lol even more)
Rarity should be for farming builds, the tradeoff should be that they'd be too weak to take on harder enemies and are basically just used for clearing trash.. Harder fights should have bigger rewards to encourage people to build power characters for the more difficult encounters.
Love your thoughts even where we don't agree. You're calm and thoughtful, and you have reason and logic behind your opinions. Tired of all the rage bait and glad to have creators like you who work all day and game at night, and just want to help make the game better.
I had an awesome fight last night where it was down to one hit on me.Or one hit on the boss and I won , those Fights are amazing your Heart pounding out of your chest.You're on the edge of your seat. I've watched videos of the end. Of game play and running around spamming one button and wiping out the entire screen just looks boring as hell to me.
F these Trials. Ascending should be fun and exciting. More so fun. I’m not having fun. The most fun I have is just starting a new character and chillin in early Act 1.
Yeah endgame is a problem for sure it's crazy that I've done more sekhemas and chaos trials more than endgame even though I technically have a zoom build by nature of what the deadeye has in its kit
I really like it slow : acts 1-3 are great. I play my own build (gemling grenadier bleed), and I'm taking it slow in the maps too. I one tap groups but I don't feel the need to rush : we're in EA after all. Too fast like we have in poe1 is stressful to me and I can't enjoy it for more than a few minutes anyway. So I really hope we will have a huge nerf wave and that GGG will put a strict limit to this zoom zoom epidemy.
If armour actually worked, we wouldn't need to use ES on strength based characters. No need to have 10K health if armour actually protects us.
Armor is calculated the same as it is in PoE 1. Armor alone has never been enough, you needed spell block, evasion, suppression, blind, freeze etc.
There’s just a lot of imbalance in monster damage, melee viability compared to poe1 where melee was competitive and lack of defensive options on tree and gear.
Armor is for frequent small hits, Evasion is for big crits and boss hits.
@@MikeyJ28 so its calculated on the old armor formula from poe1 not from when they buffed it. the old formula makes it 2.2x worse than the formula they currently use in poe1. The current formula in poe1 uses raw damage x 5 you would take where in poe2 and the old formula uses raw damage x 12. I agree though you cant use armor for everything but they need to change the formula in poe2
My point is strength based characters don't have access to life nodes like in POE1, but instead have lots of access to armour nodes. It's clear GGG intends for strength based characters to rely on armour as the primary way to mitigate physical damage. Unfortunately it doesn't work.. So now we have to go all around the tree to borrow nodes from (supposedly squishy) spellcasters and wear ES gear...
The idea is int based characters rely mainly on ES, dex based characters on evasion and strength based ones on armour. They should be at least equally effective in their own way. Now armour is pretty much a useless stat compared to the others.
@ Yes that’s true but there’s more to it than just armor naturally being more effective. PoE 1 has better synergies for armor such as flasks, global defense mods, armor multipliers and auras like Determination and flat phys reduction mods on watcher’s eyes and body armors.
All of these things make armor more effective because you have far more scaling options for phys.
@@MikeyJ28 i believe its slightly different from the poe1 calculation...poe 2 armor is worse..not just because of the missing mechanics
Another thing that feels unbalanced is the focus on active defence (dodge rolling) combined with all the maps consisting of tiny rooms and narrow corridors or bosses that fills the entire arena with ground hazards.
Exactly. I just put a post on the forums about this. It makes no sense. Was already worried about that from before release. Though since the proper gameplay turned out to be like PoE 1 (or worse). I guess it doesn't matter much unless you are melee. Then it's terribly punishing, like 90% of mechanics in the game.
But yeah, it's another thing that's completely at odds with the supposed design direction. Like they didn't think it through at all.
And will they actually redesign these maps? I'm not so sure. As well ass a bunch of other big things.
I’m probably not GGG’s target-audience - I exclusively play games via co-op & multiplayer with friends. I assumed since they added couch co-op, they wanted to attack gamers like me. OH BOY!! This endgame is hands-down the most anti-fun multiplayer experience I’ve ever encountered! How did they possibly think it would be fun to sit in a Hideout after a death while your friends finished playing the Map without you? Do these developers have friends?
Yep. I've heard this comment from a lot of mates who play in parties. It makes zero sense why they've done this
Haha😂 Chris Wilson and Jonathan Roger likely are D2 fans and friends 😏
Not to mention… you can’t clear all of the members maps by playing together. Only one members map? Crazy
@@mojojojo560 well I mean logistically how would this even work? Everyone atlas is diffrent
I don't necessarily think people want zoom-zoom, but rather, they want the feeling the progress. That means gearing, that means ripping through maps to find citadels, and so on. And all that, currently, rewards speed. Not only are the zoom-zoom builds less at risk of dying (which ends the map), but when quantity matters most (gets you more drops, and more points done finds you more citadels), well, zoom-zoom kills quantities. People will do what works, and, well, right now, offense works, so naturally, that's what people will do. Of course, that doesn't change that certain things do just feel bad to play (looking at you, Mace skills) while others are very ineffective.
A lot of work needs to be done if the devs want the game to go a bit slower. There are a lot of stupidly overpowered abilities (monk Bell, Archmage, Shock). There are a lot of stupidly overpowered interactions (some crazy "cast on" builds, items that give you ES based on your health using your pre-CI health, rather than the 1 hp you have thanks to CI). There are a lot of very stupid design decisions, like keeping the core idea of how armour works from PoE1, the lack of hp scaling, magic find impacting currency... and many of these were issues in PoE1, and they not only didn't try to fix them for PoE2 right out the gate, they often brought back the systems from PoE1 when they were at their worst. And then there's stuff like the "+time" in abilities like Sunder, which make them very unfun to play.
Skills are also very poorly balanced. If you look at the elemental skills, for example, there really aren't "single target" spells, spells that are meant to kill a single higher hp target. And the ones that do sort of exist (Frost Bomb, Ember Fusillade) have dumb mechanics in them that stop them from being that useful (both of the afore mentioned ones become worse if you boost your duration, which you want for a variety of other skills). A spell like Spark should be weak enough that you do not want to use it against bosses or even rares. It should be for clearing packs of white trash mobs. And there should be hard hitting, single target things for killing the high hp mobs. If that existed, much of the zoom-zoom would go away, because you wouldn't instantly delete packs of trash mobs.
Overall, they'll need to tweak over half the current skills in the game, with quite a few needing careful nerfs that stop their scaling from getting out of whack in the end game, without overly negatively impacting them during acts 1-6. Except for a few things, like the Bell and Archmage, which both fall into the "Did they let an intern design these?" category, as neither should have made it into the game as is.
And yes, Shades are a garbage mob and need to die in a chemical fire. Freeze on the whole feels horrible directed against the player, and pretty much means you have to run an anti-freeze relic. But Shades not only freeze, they are also near invis and untouchable most of the time. Another very, very questionable set of design decisions.
Basically one problem with this if you take away the bell monk has no way to really deal single target damage lol they become aoe only cause that's what their abilities do otherwise. Also I don't believe any skill should be limited to one situation and one situation only especially with how the idea of this games build style functions. Other then buffs and curses mean to lower res or other things of course those are meant to make you do more damage. It feels like they want you to be able to pick any ability and make it work for everything based on what stats, passives, and support gems you use. If you take one ability, like spark as you mentioned, and nerf it so that it can only kill packs of white mobs you have now made a skill that won't be used because players that theory craft builds don't generally want heavily button filled builds as that alone makes for a very slow playstyle which is never really favored in the arpg world.
@123443567 that's literally his point bro 😂. That's exactly why he's saying to nerf spark
GGG also said that they were moving away from binary status outcomes and change to build-up mechanics, but they just did that for stun and freeze on enemies only.
Freeze (or any other ailment) should have build-up for enemies AND players. So, if you see you're getting freeze build-up, you could react on time, right now it's just poe1 RNG. "You're fine, you're fine, you're fine. Oh! you're frozen, you're dead."
@@crimsonblade2519 is this even true? I'm like 99% sure you can see your charecter getting freeze buildup by seeing frost form on your charecter and you get slower and slower movespeed and you get a status affect on your screen called chill I think?
@@stoplosinglilboy1461 chill is an ailment caused by all cold damage, which reduces your speed depending on how much cold damage was dealt, cold damage over time can have a fixed amount of chill. Freeze is a second ailment caused by cold damage and it's % based, like a critical hit.
The same goes for ignite and shock, they're % based and it's been like that since poe1 12 years ago. It's an old mechanic.
I've always found the 'skill issue' argument odd. Whether something is a 'skill issue' or not doesn't correlate with it being a good or satisfying or rewarding or polished mechanic. You could make a game that's just constant flinch reflex test reaction time testing where you're one shot every second unless you hit the right key at the exactly right time. That would technically just be a matter of 'skill,' but it wouldn't be fun or particularly rewarding for most people.
You literally just described Guitar Hero/rock band technically.
That is Sekiro actually and it was game of the year. People really like extremely tedious games .
@@jengaaaaa because just because something is diffucult doesent mean it's tedious the whole skill issue thing is wierd when alot of ppl use it as some sort of default argument I admit but not everyone likes easy games or only play games to chill which is what the people on the other side of this argument tend to forget. They tend to speak for all of us alot and say things like gamers just wanna come home after a long day and blast mobs. No that's what you want and I respect that opinion but seems like yall have no respect for our opinion. Sometimes yall think we convince ourselves to play thees games due to ego or something no bro I just genuinely enjoy the feeling of overcoming challenge it's fun to me matter of fact its the most fun a game can hold to me. Sekiro wasn't tedious to me it was beautiful whereas I get bored of minecraft easy and personally I find that tedious but it's not a tedious game I can see the value it has and why it holds so many ppls attention it's just not for me tho
It always seems like when I do a map that has nodes I get one shot by something stupid that I can't see. I redo the map at a higher level but now all the nodes are gone and I zoom through it without a challenge. Super frustrating!
Appreciate the candid honesty about the state of the game here. I love the game but also share a lot of your frustrations with the punishments in end-game.
Yeah. Doesn't feel good going from full ES and full HP to instantly dead!
I can't count how may times this has happened to me so infuriating
Thank you thank you thank you thank you. You have NO IDEA how refreshing this video is. I thought it was just me basically. I'm simply not having fun in it's current state. It's not fun.
You brought up all the points I have issues with.
Regarding Izaro. Yea I never thought I'd say I miss him but wow. He is truly missed.
Yeah. As a creator, it actually took me over two weeks to want to make content for this game because I had to find a way to make it fun enough to motivate me. It's just a grindy slog right now.
I'm also sick of seeing the bait posters just post how amazing a broken EA game is
@@JorgenPOE i can imagine the burnt out.
me playing as a daily casual i felt burnt out and have to take a few days off. (especially the mapping phase.)
either too slow or too fast blasting everything. And at the end there's nothing much there probably just currency stacking for the new classes out..
for creator, i do think there isn't much to make for now. (other than trying other classes.)
really appreciate your sharing of your feedback and summary so far, as a creator and the situation looking forward. 🙏
The mapping definitely took me out man. I had to get off for a while
I run SSF So it makes every GOOD find amazing. I don't know if you're doing that but it may help with the fun. Imo
@ good idea. 👍 i'm also thinking creating a few more classes test and learn gearing.
by then poe1, i heard gona have new league in february so ill prolly try that too. 👍
you can't respect a game that doesn't respect your time
100% spot on
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I was trading with a player earlier today. I warped to his hideout and I had to access the stash for the exalted orbs. The stash, for some reason, is right by the portals and map device. I accidentally take the portal and was immediately one shot by a blue mob. It broke the guys' tier 17 portal. There needs to be a 3 strike rule or something.
Yep the 1 portal pisses me off. I will be having a good day running a couple maps as soon as I die I’m just frustrated and I log off. Lost a divine yesterday and I’m still mad about it. Endgame should not be that madding.
Watching this video review is more rewarding than playing POE2.
10/10. I agree with everything you've said.
Especially on the lack of drops overall. The issue is that the endgame of POE2 and POE1 are essentially infinite gameplay/grind where the only real way to feel that you're making progress is to count the loot you've obtained from play.
Unlike in other games where there is fixed amount of content and once you've done it all, you've finished the game.
GGG seems to be wanting POE2 to be a game with a fixed endpoint where the point of it all, is to get to the end (beat the pinnacle bosses) with the fewest resources and lowest amount of deaths.
Tbh I think my biggest disappointment in the game isn’t like, systems being weird or some QOL not being present in some areas, it’s that we already have an end game that’s just as fast as Poe 1.
I’ve seen a ton of videos from a bunch of other content creators and they all seem to be in agreement, and I’m in this camp as well, it simply shouldn’t be possible to one shot the highest level difficulty pinnacle bosses.
If you’re playing the strongest build, with a lot of investment, you have all the bells and whistles, 30-40 seconds should be the fastest you kill that content.
I also think you’re slightly off the mark on what MOST of the playerbase actually wants. On the Poe 2 Reddit there’s a post asking for questions in an interview with Johnathan. Probably the most asked question right now is why the end game isn’t like the campaign.
"it’s that we already have an end game that’s just as fast as Poe 1. " - Yeah, and the problem is, there are a lot of big design decisions that are at odds with a slower more tactical playstyle. Which they allegedly wanted in the past. (I say in the past, because with the big stream and teasers right before early access, they seemed to suddenly be leaning relatively hard in the clear speed meta. Speed and clear nuking>all. Like, "Don't worry guys it's gonna be fast nuking like PoE 1!")
They would have to change a fair bit if they want to bring it back to a more deliberate gameplay. Redesign maps, how certain classes work (melee in particular), tons of rare monster mods and mods in mechanics like ultimatum. (aka re-design or completely reconsider archnem bs they have been pushing for a while)
at the very beginning I thought the one-death thingy would be fun, but that quickly went away when I lost loot and citadels. Totally degrading, killed the joy for me, I have not logged in at least 4 days now.
Yep. Was something I knew would be an issue from the get go.
It's ok on maps(and depends on balance). Should probably be made so that the map at least retains the extra content. Because when you lose that, re-running the map is pointless and you are just doing it to get the map out of the way, so you can get to actually good map.
But I agree on some bosses you should probably have a bunch of tries, at least. (boss resets but you can keep trying)
Im playing galvanic shard wictchunter after playing arsonists witch and its insane how slow the minion build was. The difference is I didn't die on the minion build. I got to tier 15s and I was pevel 86 when I switched and my merc is 82 in half the time.
Welcome back! Great video - I couldn't agree more re: visual noise. I've lost count of how many times I've died to the purple chaos orbs that are spawned by the plants. Drives me nuts!!
This happens way more often then I would like
I have never died to those (or the hag orbs, they are so easy to avoid). And I am melee slammer, so I have to dodge like crazy and avoid a lot of things as well as pay a lot of attention to positioning, to have a chance. The chaos orbs and that sort of volatile crap is easy to avoid with ranged.
Visual clarity is pretty terrible often enough. Either way.
(mostly have died to ground crap that's invisible/under terrain, freeze, visual clarity issues with the mobs that die but stay upright as if alive, super tight pathing spots on some maps etc. And ofc. just getting big dmg blitzed sometimes, depending on map mods)
Appreciate your experienced input in this. As a new player to ARPGs, I'm still learning the game and style of play of these games. I really hope they don't nerf things without balancing it out and buffing other aspects of the game, like you said.
A divine drop? Whats that?
I got two back to back lol only t5 map lol
Really appreciate your candid takes in this video. It was tough to wait until the end to comment because so much of what you said resonates with how I feel, both as a player and as someone who posts an occasional video.
I don't have much to add to what's already been said. I am having fun despite the game's many problems, and I think my biggest gripe right now is I'd like to go back to playing a game instead of having the game play me. Appreciate you man!
Thx man
Great vid. Concise and totally reasonable criticism. Its these kind of reviews that will help push PoE2 to be better and better!
i just got to your rarity section and had to chime in. I 100% agree with you. Having a stronger build with no rarity feels unrewarding.... like i did something wrong. I actually went back and had to mess up some of my resists to get rarity on my gear and now, even though im not swimming in rarity, the game feels so much better. for example: i was entirely unable to sustain T15 map drops previously with no rarity on my gear, and i was spec'd into the waystones drop a higher tier in the atlas tree.. T15 maps were super rare for me. now i have about 78% rarity through my gear and ive dropped the atlas waystone level for just more rarity in my maps, and now when i run a T15 map i walk out of the map with around FIVE t15 maps EVERY TIME. seems kind of counter intuitive to abandon waystone level for rarity and get more T15's so clearly some tuning needs to be made for sure....
Yeah, I've been creating Poe builds for a long time and this was pretty jarring when I had to start considering rarity stats in my min maxing
100% great takes. I laughed and agreed with all of them. Not to mention the performance issues... My game was working great for a week, then the cpu goes haywire, then better again for a week, now bad again. I can't understand what is wrong... Wild.
PoE2 made me appreciate PoE1 so much more. I hate not being able to craft my own gear. I play trade in 1 but I do solo self craft. Where I don't buy gear, except unique. I farm my own mats, sell the ones I don't need then roll that into the ones I do need. So I am constantly changing mechanics throughout the league. This empty map without even a boss bullshit is never going to work as an endgame for me.
I think a good place to start might be to shorten the gap between the fast builds and the slow builds
Trialmaster fight (for 4th ascendancy) is a boss fight without the mods of your full run. He is hard but all attacks are well announced through what he says, once you learned the patterns.
On my previous cold sorceress build, this battle alone was a 15 minutes fight but it was a great fight and in general, the clarity is good. I recommend the fight if you haven't tried it even once but if your goal is to ascend, then watch a video first. He also rarely drops Adorned :)
I'm thinking remove honor for everywhere except the boss room and remove honor resist (or sliding scale based on class/proximity) would be a good compromise.
Great review bro! I agree with every one of your postulates. I especially want to note your concerns related to visual problems and class imbalance. I want to see your bleed build one-shotting bosses. I wish you all the best!
Rarity is an issue on gear. You’re torn between knowing a new piece of gear is overall better, but if you take off that rarity stat, you’re cursing yourself to find dog shit for a while.
Something else they need to do is have an icon in your buffs on the top left to let you know if your charm has been used.
I just died in hcssf with a 1300hp 700 energy shield monk 65 evasion to a pack of white mobs Iron Sharpshooters that perma stunned and thanos snapped me... I felt super tanky againts all the bosses ive faced but i die to some ramdom white mobs... Im playing SSF now lol
I have a belt with +1 charm i farmed for 2 hours for a stun immunity charm and had no luck...
Invoker is the best way to make armor work due to the armour coming from protect me from harm cannot be overwhelmed. It's busted that node is 100% getting nerfed.
How to fix PoE 2: Start by nerfing everything by 100% as a starting point, and focus on turning the game into PoE 2 with its own identity rather than a copy-paste of PoE 1. We're still playing the same game where AoE is all that matters, one-shots only, and screen-clearing abilities define the gameplay. What we need is combat that respects multiple build options and allows builds to revolve around functionality and playstyles rather than a singular focus on clear speed. Otherwise, nothing will truly matter. It is the perfect definition of ilusion of choice.
Nerfing everything by 100% means all builds deal 0 damage. 😂 Maybe nerf a little less than that?
@@Theta4099%?😏
Yeah, I pretty much agree, will it happen though? It really seems like it's going to be PoE 1 with better graphics. At best. Cus PoE 1 has a lot over PoE 2 right now. PoE 2 should have compensated with better gameplay.
yup and watch the player count go down
Just balance the game by nerfing warriors
Only I have with mobs are those on the ground effects I’m past res caps an those things with small pathing burn through my health an 3 different defenses it needs to be tuned dwn
Great video, I have parked the game for now but good to hear their are others out there who actually know what they are talking about have similar thoughts to myself
Cheers man
It's driving me crazy to hear that Monk is well tuned. Some Quarterstaff skills are very strong, most of them are either bad or really abysmal. Every single monk build is playing with the same 6 skills or so. Have you ever seen anyone use skills like Frozen Locus? Nope, all the wind skills? Nope. Monk is fun and some skills like Ice Strike and Tempest Bell are strong and feel fun to use (aside from the targeting being some of the worst I've seen in any HnS game lol) but Quarterstaff in general isn't doing that great if you don't focus on the few overperforming skills.
Still better than warrior in every way though 😅
Yeah, those underperform skills have pretty exactly same problem as the mace skill have.
Wow mate, you really said it all. I've been feeling very similar to this. Trying to grind out a crossbow gemling for weeks using incendiary shot and switching to xplo shot because the ad clear was terrible, then nothing working right. Spending probably a week trying to build my character strong enough to take on the trial of chaos for fourth ascension, and still getting nuked by stupid mechanics. Spending weeks frustrated that I'm not seeing a single divine drop despite absolutely no-lifeing this game. Then finding out the crossbow "jams" and realising most of those deaths weren't just me being a bad player. I hated breach and ritual because if my crossbow "jams" I'm just completely dead, and i lose the map I've been juicing like seven towers for days to hopefully finally see a divine orb drop on, gone in one second. Really gave this game a fair chance, and I might keep playing but with armour being completely useless and so much built up frustration, we'll see. Hope you have a good one mate, you just earned a subscriber.
Cheers man. Yeah, these were all the reasons I didn't make content for over two weeks. It's like searching really hard for good things to say but you anything you find will just be cope lol
Deadeye and Warden are the best classes in PoE 1 too. I’ve said this for years, if you’re playing SC trade, ascendency QoL and damage is king. You can buy defenses via gear and skill tree for far less investment.
The problem you run into in PoE 2 is the dogsh*t one death per map. Imagine if you lost your Aul node in Delve after one death.
If poe1 didn’t give you multiple attempts per map/boss, the game mode would not be popular.
Exactly. You can't improve if you lose everything Everytime
@@JorgenPOE yep, it’s demoralizing. when I first started delving a few leagues ago it took me dozens of attempts but now I can do all of the bosses without getting hit (usually)
if I had to spend an hour farming a new boss node per attempt… NOPE
I feel like sanctum and ultimatium were the 2 mechanics in POE1 that I avoided the most and to come into poe 2 and then its like hey guess the only ways you can get your acendancy now...ffs.
Same. That's why I was confused as to why they would make them mandatory now.
Sanctum I pretty much never did. Ultimatum I played a bit with some characters, but it's pretty different in PoE 1 anyway. Not really comparable to what it is in PoE 2. And it's especially horrendous for melee ofc. Even more than probably anything else in the game. In my experience. I haven't tried to run it much, for that reason.
I play ARPGs for the casual grind aspect. That doesn't exist in endgame bc the difficulty of a white mob one shotting you makes for a constantly sweaty experience. So I reach endgame and reroll... or wait for a big patch
I mean, PoE 1 has very similar issues. And worse, in some regards. You can run into rare mobs in T2 map that are stronger than T16 shaper guardian. But I guess you can just run past those(unless they are soul eater turbo speed, which also brick certain types of content). And white mobs can slap pretty hard until you have some solid defenses. But you just kill them usually without getting to hit you. Especially if ranged, that's similar in 2 though.
Still, in PoE 1 you have more defensive options. Yet, not as simple in SSF, same in PoE 2. In trade, everything is much easier. And in PoE 1, to feel tanky in late game and juicier content, you have to hard invest in 4-5 defensive layers. Even then, it can be sketchy sometimes or rough in some content. (and go from taking 0 damage to getting 1 shot suddenly)
The big thing for me. Is the one portal aspect and reforge bench is just stupid to use for upgrading waystones, ess, distilled is just vendor recepie with extra steps. Just feels clunky.
It is a little annoying.
This is why I've always come back to you for insights on PoE, this video is spot on. I know you mention that you're going to get shit on, but I don't think so. You speak the truth, brother. I hope to hell that Jonathan watches this whole video. Other creators have made similar videos, but yours resonates with me in so many ways because you emphasize the most critical issue facing all of us gamers: WE JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN. Not easy-peezy, but fun. I spent a lot of time watching your videos on PoE1 because I was a Delver, but you're grown to be one of the best commentators on the whole genre. Keep bringing it brother.
Thanks man. I just keep it 50/5th Street cuzz 😁
I dont think the problem is melee (as you mentioned, monk is fine) or warrior (the warcry/totem supports are ok). The real problem is mace skills. Yea, a big wind up for huge dam is cool. But it become significantly less cool if the mobs come at you at 300% MS. It also becomes significantly less cool the 343 time
Just wanted to chime in and say I enjoyed the video, and while your points about making slow content more rewarding is interesting, I don't think such an idea is able to be balanced because builds that do slower content than other builds are always going to pull ahead. Aside from that, loot and "crafting" are in a terrible spot to support endgame progression.
I'm not even gonna waste my time trying to play the current end game until I get all 6 classes to it with both Ascendancys, so basically 6 characters played twice
Great Video. I have 200 hours played, got 2 92 chars. The game turned from 9/10 on campaign flow (i started warrior and thats why 10/10 wasnt possible). But it degraded on cruel to 7 or 8 and in endgame it turned into zoomzoom screenclearing, insta killing bosses and those occosional oneshots . Endgame for me is a 5/10.
Well, end game is mostly boring and a pain in the ass for me as a melee. (on SSF)
Love the first sentence as I feel the exact same. Just don't feel it so I stopped and will come back when stuff is adjusted, changed etc.
I felt like deadeye archer without twink gear or currency surplus still felt like a slog in campaign. Can't even fathom what warrior must have felt like.
Pure nightmare lol
I chose deadeye before game released. Purely based on the fact I expected GGG to have the class down as years of experience with mechanics of that class.
I felt act 1-3 was a slog. But a breeze thereafter.
Also worth noting. I played act3 and 4 with another player and that felt vastly better. More drops. Less punishing. More exp.
I really think people should try more group play. Makes a huge difference. Almost night and day.
Warrior isn't so bad, monk is worse with little evasion
Further to this, Super keen on next PoE1 league and playing in a full party with guild mates again.
I have found due to visual clarity issues in PoE2, I've only been partying with one mate, playing the same build (Stormcaller Arrow Deadeye) so we can actually see what is going on in the game (the 1 portal system ties into this)
Slogging through on a warrior feels bad. Not feeling "it " either. Miss my marauder. Bring me my axe.
Lol should at least be somewhat more viable with Axes and swords being added and their skills.
After over 200 hrs most as warrior i am still having fun even in maps but i understand. I agree one death is not needed and absolutely a game breaker for many. When is the poe1 new season coming you think? Or when the next big update in POE2
Thank you. For years I had thought game devs were the issue and while games have gotten weird the last few years with forced perspective, gamers are a bigger issue. People have forgotten how to have a discussion and conversation. Players currently seem to be (in majority) playing with blinders on either side of the fence of the game is great "git gud it is just in EA," or "This sucks it is too hard."
Neither of those statements are discussing the issues to help improve the game or highlight what is working.
PoE2 marketed amazingly. It is a very good premise for the game we should have. It also has massive issues with currency bloat, having to level everything and trying to remember everything needing levelled and with what mats. The game is math and the consequences for everything is excessive from death exp penalties to losing maps you have used loads of mats on.
Ways to tune the lose of maps is to give a few mats back when the map is lost. Losing experience on death based on what you map level you died in as opposed to a flat rate death tax. Many of us do not enjoy having limited time to play the game and losing 2 hours worth of experience in 1 death. Rares with prox/haste and siphon in a tier 18 map, really? Melee has to play a boom and zoom build.
The constant comparison to poe1 is weird as well. Poe1 is not new player friendly but it is also a 1 size fits all super saiyan build game. We thought we were getting away from that.
We are not asking to be handed anything, we are asking to enjoy the game without having to feel penalised for logging in.
Tl;dr Math is involved. Your math teacher would love these guys. It feels more out of control than poe1
I got to about tier 6 waystones and got bored. Lack of loot (I have no rarity on gear), and lack of variety were issues for me. Lack of loot filter support on console was also a big issue for me. I’ll come back after it matures a bit. It just doesn’t feel fun or rewarding enough in maps/waystones. Campaign was fun though.
Lack of variety is big for me. Esp. with melee warrior type, it's nightmare to try and engage with different content. Like Ultimatum, breach, delirium to a degree. (and there is nothing really fresh that is totally new to PoE 2... Ultimatum kinda pretty different to PoE 1, but it's overtuned and hell for melee)
And I dislike most of the maps I have on the Atlas. Not a good feel to constantly see map I'm about to run and be like "Ugh, I don't want to run this". I have done all mission up to tier 15+ though. I haven't finished that one yet. (on SSF)
I think they should keep rarity. Bump up standard rarity up like 100% or something and nerf gear rarity down by like 50%. The numbers don't matter but the concept of buff and nerf. That way non-rarity builds still get gear and currencies, but rarity builds still get rewarded for nerfing their characters. I hate the one death per map mechanic so much. However, I do believe this won't be permanent. I think it's only added to slow progression in beta specifically and force players to play strong builds so they can nerf it (call me a conspiracy theorist). Honestly, GGG is probably trying to see how many of the mechanics from POE1 that they can migrate over. Then, they add in new and fresh mechanics in the following leagues. I cope thinking they already have new mechanics but are trying to like stack these mechanics for future leagues.
I think WASD was one of the balancing nightmares they added. Now that I can backpedal while shooting, wew lad, they gotta make white mobs blitz you.
And that completely annihilates melee. Who can't move and attack at the same time. Which is also true for the vast majority of rare mob mods and other mechanics. That are extremely punishing for melee, but barely relevant for ranged, that can also move and attack at the same time.
(WASD movement itself is great though, it's natural evolution for any game wanting to have better core combat, but other design decisions are where the issues lie)
PoE 2 has an identity crysis, "souls-like-arpg" combination only works for the campaign, after that you HAVE to make your character 100x stronger, 10x faster and infinitelly tankier otherwise you'll be stuck in a soul-like character where the world around you are filled with Arpg monsters trying to grab your ass.
DarkSouls and related games works because you are 100% of the time fighting against 1, 2 or 3 "magic equivalent monsters" at once, and the most important part YOU CAN SEE what's happening all the time, not 100's random monsters with random mods, and random on-death effects in random maps with random mods that you can't even modify.
People will ALWAYS try to play PoE1 builds into PoE2, cuz that's the only way to have fun and get less frustrated in this frustration simulator game.
After ~250 hours I stopped playing this and got back to PoE1 just to see how the things are going and man... what a great game!
I'm not sure if making this a separate game was the right choice. At least, trying to make it different in every aspect for sure was the worst decision they could've made.
yep, this was my opinion. POE 1 really is the masterpiece at this stage. everything about it works much better functionally.
some ppl say critiquing is toxic but i love it because we care alot for improvement as a player, thanks for spreading your opinions good sir
No worries man
I hope that the zoom zoom builds are not nerfed, but instead other builds are buffed. Nerfing fun is never good.
So mindlessly zooming is the only way to have "fun"? I thought the point of PoE 2 was to make better gameplay than PoE 1.
There aren't games with good more intricate gameplay, which aren't super fast, that are fun?
So your idea is to make all builds and gameplay like PoE 1(even worse kinda). What is even the point of PoE 2, better graphics?
The game has a good base, i just think it fell quite short for the GGG standard. It seems like they are making the same mistakes they learned from the past?
- The first campaign experience was easily a 9/10, fully immersed but the story was okay.
- The end-game turned into POE 1, with herald chain explosions into first week ranger just being 70 percent faster than anything else.
- Next week the wave of builds doing anywhere from 5-100 million dps, effectively 1 shotting the Arbiter/Breach 4 boss.
-Re-leveling is much faster now, but still fucking annoying.
-The one portal rule feels awful, especially when learning a boss.
- Literally dozens of explosions, with worse visibility than POE 1(wtf?).
-Towers/juicing feel hollow and soulless.
-Millions of bugs(as expected).
The game sits around a 7.5/10 for me as of now.
Agree with pretty much everything you said. Thank you for making this video. So many of my friends are frustrated by what you point out.
1. 1 death per map is a horrific decision.
2. Trials are way overtuned. Not sure why this is an endgame.
3. Armor is absolutely in a bad place.
4. We need some + life nodes and armor fixed so we can layer defenses. Way too many 1 shots if you arent heavy into ES. Unbalanced.
I agree with a lot of your points! I think ultimatum and sanctum should stay in the game but are not used for ascendancy. It is good that a ton of new players are hooked on PoE2 and a lot of the issues we know of in end game don't affect them as of yet
I'm at around 200 hours now, getting a little burnt out.
Enjoying it quite a bit overall, but I'm getting sick of getting random one shots, even at a multiple mirror level character.
Magic find feels pretty lacklustre to me. I haven't found a single high value unique outside of farming boss specifics like Ingenuity etc.
My biggest gripe is not being able to zoom out of the map zone, to see where I've pathed to. I get lost so much because I can't retrace my steps and end up going off in a completely different direction.
I'm actively stocking up on S tier Armour/Life items for any impending nerfs.
As for zoom zoom builds, I think they will always exist.
Great breakdown. We need more constructive criticism like this in EA.
Cheers man
Visual clarity is bad atm. Roofs of buildings and trees dissipate too late. I once had a tornado appear at the base of my screen and block 80% if my screen :(
One of many things that bothers me is that I have to spend too much time choosing which map to play. It was way better with scarabs - which is a pretty bad thingy - because we could choose the mechanics we would have in the map instead of choosing how to use my low value waystones to open path to better maps.
I agree, I used to dislike scarabs and now I think they're great lol
to be honest i got to give them the campaign S tier.
for the end game = i think 6-12 months/or more, is more realistic.
i do agree with dropping the game tad early, especially the end game part/ trial seems last minute copy paste.
Another 6 months for the end game would be developed better.
The game so far is good. Though
There's still quite a lot things in development phase.
1) other 6 classes.
2) end game content.
3) end game mechanics bosses.
4) act 3-6.
5) gears, weapons, uniques etc.
so there's quite a lot of success, also quite a lot of diagnosis like some pc can't run etc. so i think early bit testing can get them some info on how to fully launch successfully next...
i do think trial and mapping is like gate keep to buy time for endgame development.
They really need to fix Armour. Having warriors(who are supposed to be tanky in heavy armour) running around with energy shield wearing a nightdress is just atrocious!
Agreed they just need to update the formula, they changes it in poe in 3.16 to buff armor and they kept the old formula in poe2, which makes armor 2.4x weaker than it should be. So hopefully they just update the formula and i think it would solve some stuff
@@quincestopher8892 Really hope so. It would do so much for heavy armor users..
It's bad and it slows you down on top of that lol Keeping in line with melee, everything sucks AND it slaps you with disadvantages on top of that. (like the nodes on the tree, get dmg? take that -% attack speed too)
Good vid. Agree with some points, disagree on others, was sad what I saw in the comments. Peace!
I saw that you like Trials, but they really suck right now.
The penalties and debuffs are ridiculously brutal, and after they balance that issue, maybe it will help with how well they're received. Either way, I think the trials are biased against melee (excluding Monk).
I think Jorgen makes all valid points though.
This.
Two words: Early Access
There is only the mace for the warrior currently. The foundation is there and hopefully GGG fixes the balance and the issues that this was designed to find and fix
Are u a parrot?
@ to a degree, I was thinking more along the lines of a Pirate. Captain Obvious at your service LOL
(or for those familiar with the US Radio Bob and Tom show) “Long time listener first time caller”
Not a great point considering a lot of core design is where many of the issues are. Yes, more content and balance will help, but it won't solve some big issues, unless more significant redesigns and reworks are done. (If they actually want more engaging gameplay than zooming and exploding screens of mobs)
@ agree wholeheartedly and they have the opportunity to tune it back and rebalance. As the post stated it is not great at the moment and there are many issues that need to be addressed and fixed. Hence, wait for it, Early Access. The real question is what they do now that the holidays are over and they see how many issues there are that need fixing. Still have hope for the game as the foundation is solid as stated. It’s literally the first month of beta testing if we are being totally honest
I agree with many things you've brought up in this video. I have about 280hrs in PoE2 now. (Thousands of hours in PoE1)
One Poral system : Agree 100% Even the One portal system could be improved if in a party, why can I not revive my other party member? Even THAT would help alleviate some of it and promote party play. It is way too unforgiving losing your waystone to some random ground effect that was hidden under an environment layer etc.
Campaign vs endgame : I have levelled 12 characters through the campaign so far, I've rushed a few of my guild mates through the campaign also. I've progressed T16 maps etc however the only "Pinnacle Boss" I have encountered so far is Olroth (expedition) trying to farm up the other resources for other boss encounters (breach simul) is a gigantic slog..
I can say the campaign, I would have preferred they released EA with more acts over a half baked endgame system, I suspect they will remove or completely overhaul how the atlas works, we saw it in PoE several times so there is a good precedent there.
I've recently made a Deadeye (1=2 div build with 120% magic find) and I can 100% say that rarity and drop rates are an issue in this game and need tuning. I saw a difference almost immediately.
Honestly, I didn't mind Trial of Sek too much, I enjoyed farming relics (I was a sanctum enjoyer in PoE1), Ultimatum however is a different story, it either needs to be tuned or needs to be removed.
Keen to see where we land after the first major patch.
Why do you have your clan relic from act 3 in your inventory at t15 waystones? LOL. agree with your video tho
I'm that lazy haha
@@JorgenPOE gigachad
Do you feel like maybe the endgame maps are too big ?, this could fix some of the time grinding tedioum issues with slower attacking/moving characters, this could also encourage builds that aren't just zoomies, for me personally reaching t14+ and being able to kill more elite enemies feels alot more rewarding then throwing endless mobs into blender while using the either or of the 2 AOE META options regardless of class everyone uses, at the end of the day what's the point of having POE 2 if it's just a incomplete POE 1 copy paste
yeah, they are, and the backtracking really isnt much fun either
Honestly if they clean up some of the AoE on death environment attacks nonsense, keep 1 portal on non boss maps and just give us 3 for boss maps/pinnacle fights with boss HP resets
Its PoE... Its a copy and paste build here game. Everyone lets people make builds and people just copy. We need build diversity but players are to lazy to do it themselves.
There's a difference from move speed to attack speed. I don't care about move speed that kind of speed is not fun but attack speed is to me. Your right people do play fast builds more. Let them have fun. Its about play STYLE. Not speed.
if they keep nerfing the 1 shot builds, while monsters can 1 shot you also.. they must NERF the monsters so it will be FUN..
I agree with everything you said. People should be able to voice their opinion on a game that you invested money and more importantly time on. I find it very disingenuous when the same gatekeepers from POE 1 are bashing you for saying how you feel. I don't want the game to become like POE 1, while POE 1 is a good game, it does have ALOT of problems specifically how hard it is to get into. The game is also overly convoluted and the community pretends that they are welcoming until you say anything about their precious game that they don't like. I've been playing Poe 1 from War of the atlas and I've fought a pinnacle boss finally in affliction league.
I feel the slower builds would be more interesting if the endgame wasn't just killing large mobs of enemies and featured more bosses. If there was and endgame mechanic (or a trial that can go to endgame) that was just bosses I think the slower warrior style builds would be much better.
I don't think speed of play style matters, but as you said speed of rewards really matters.
Like the nodes where there is a boss in the map, they can just change it to make the map one big arena with a singular juiced boss in it or a multiple normal boss rush.
So I’m new to POE 2 and I have a genuine question. Is the game truly meant to be this slow regarding gear progression. I’ve just got my 3rd character to endgame and this time I played more purposeful. Looking at every gear piece for my build I could find through drops and vendors. I managed to get through the campaign with no major issues or set backs. But once I got to mapping I couldn’t help but feel like I came to a screeching halt. Throughout my whole campaign, no matter how many vendors I checked and pieces of gear I slammed with orbs I never got to the start of end game with a reasonable amount of resistances.
So is the intent of the game to slow you down this much in end game, to have to map slowly until you find gear that doesn’t break your current build while also assisting in your resistances needs. I don’t want to trade with this character play through but, I am not confident in the prospect of actually being able to get the gear, or craft the gear I need to progress through mapping. Not having played POE 1 was it the same there? Was trading the most efficient way of powering up your character? Or are there crafting systems set to come from POE 1 that give players a little more control over their gear and builds. While not having to rely so much on trading.
We really area unsure until their video on the weekend. The game's progression is pretty unfun right now due to what you point out. They will either go to fix this or make it worse though.
I killed xehst yesterday and still haven't seen a citadel. I got off work last night and was like "I don't want to do this anymore." If your grind breaks me...its to much. My toon can kill pinnacle bosses, I have no need to continue to farm and not gain actual progress.
I will always play whatever is clearing maps the fastest as currency is king.
And once we have a loot filter on console I can finally turn off gear drops.
I think most of their decisions are to make the combat immersive. They want every action to have meaning. I think they can do it. It is only immersive during the first play through as you are being careful with everything and less stuff going on on the screen. After that it is just a arpg.
Their highest challenge is how to make it immersive and engaging during endgame without making it zoom zoom. Zoom zoom is a poe 1 thing anf what make poe1 great.
They may have to rethink their combat, skill tree and skill gems. I think thats is more important than pumping out new classes and ascendary
And i agree with you, poe 2 should not take took much from poe 1. They may have took too much from poe 1. And also they seem to want everything for the game. I think they may have lost track when making endgame or maybe endgame was a rushed work so not much though is given to it
To make an end game feel like the campaign is not trivial. They would need to rework nearly all of the game. They have no design or goals for the end-game. Which leaves the campaign feeling more like a technical proof-of-concept.
@steven11101010 I think they don't rework too much
It will just become Poe 1
I'd like better flow than deleting screens regardless of what's in front of me. I've been playing warrior, and I'm not looking at what other people are doing. So far, it flows kinda nice. Leap slam from pack to pack plus bone shatter. For bosses I break their armor, stun them, warcries, sunder + hotg and the fight is over. For sure the game needs a lot of tuning.. the easiest thing to do would probably be turning it into poe1. I really hope they don't do that. I like poe 1, but it already exists and isn't going into maintenance mode.
Thank you Jorgen, I appreciate this video since there's a lot of people still stuck in that honeymoon period. It's a shame since all I want is for the game to be even better than PoE1, but you can't do that if you don't criticize it...
I'm playing warrior SSF, I have poop gear, everything's slow, and honestly I'm delighted I can only get buffs at this point haha. I might not be able to kill any end game uber bosses but I can do an Ultimatum 10 with level 80 mobs. Good enough for me. My only wish is that they buff armor somewhat
The only people who are enjoying the end game and saying it’s easy are the ones who traded for their entire over started op one shit everything build
Pretty much lol I've played it a bunch, but it has been fairly boring. And a bit rough with my actual melee character, to say the least.
The warrior animations need to be sped up as well as more movement speed built in.
I think the 3 areas of POE that are poorly designed are the Ascendency acquisition system (this should just come from beating end of Act bosses), the overall game speed (it's too slow & that makes every subsequent playthrough boring) and the scarcity of drops (I should not be wearing a piece of gear for 20+ levels). These 3 areas eat at every aspect of the game design- it is so poorly thought of that I think GGG fundementally are bored of the ARPG genre and in making these design choices it reveals a design within GGG to make a different type of game but can not wholly.
I honestly think melee skills should impart somekind of buffs, increased damage reduction and movement speed, duration adjusted to last between packs. These buffs immediately get removed when using a non melee skill. Hell half the best warrior nodes reduce attack speed... rediculous.
Nah, melee should always get the most brutal disadvantages and none of the advantages.
Ranged should get all the natural advantages it has, and tons more on top of that.
(like rare mob mods being designed to crap on melee hard but be practically irrelevant to ranged. Oh, they added 1 to annoy ranged, proximity. But it annoys melee too actually lol even more)
Rarity should be for farming builds, the tradeoff should be that they'd be too weak to take on harder enemies and are basically just used for clearing trash..
Harder fights should have bigger rewards to encourage people to build power characters for the more difficult encounters.
Yep. And that's how it was in Poe 1 and it worked well
Love your thoughts even where we don't agree. You're calm and thoughtful, and you have reason and logic behind your opinions. Tired of all the rage bait and glad to have creators like you who work all day and game at night, and just want to help make the game better.
Cheers man. Yeah, I feel a number of the rage baiters are out of touch.
Iirc, I could dodge roll out of a lever animation. So it is cancellable. Other than that, I agree with most of what you said.
well i still get crashes and pc freezez ... still
Straight shooter, much appreciated. Subbed.
85% of the playerbase on the ladder are Sorcs. Lmao, next week Archmage gets dumpstered. Then there is no way to scale DPS anymore, will be fun
I think in order to play archmage, you have to be able to pronounce it correctly. That'll take out half straight away.
I had an awesome fight last night where it was down to one hit on me.Or one hit on the boss and I won , those Fights are amazing your Heart pounding out of your chest.You're on the edge of your seat. I've watched videos of the end. Of game play and running around spamming one button and wiping out the entire screen just looks boring as hell to me.
now im gonna have to try monk. been on merc from start.
F these Trials. Ascending should be fun and exciting. More so fun. I’m not having fun. The most fun I have is just starting a new character and chillin in early Act 1.
Yeah endgame is a problem for sure it's crazy that I've done more sekhemas and chaos trials more than endgame even though I technically have a zoom build by nature of what the deadeye has in its kit
I really like it slow : acts 1-3 are great.
I play my own build (gemling grenadier bleed), and I'm taking it slow in the maps too. I one tap groups but I don't feel the need to rush : we're in EA after all.
Too fast like we have in poe1 is stressful to me and I can't enjoy it for more than a few minutes anyway. So I really hope we will have a huge nerf wave and that GGG will put a strict limit to this zoom zoom epidemy.
Thanks for the video man. I was waiting to try PoE2 out of fear of this feeling
No worries 😉
Might as well just re log everytime you are about to die in maps
Love the video! I completely agree with you!