Brainiac has a curse, every (live action) movie that has him as a villain is cancelled. Recently Zack Snyder said he wanted Brainiac as the main villain in Man of Steel 2
I just wish that they would have let Zack Snyder cook and not do all that studio interference crap they did. You're right he said he had it all set up for Brainiac to be in Man of Steel 2. In my humble opinion I would have done Metallo and Bizzaro. Then Brainiac for the third.
@@Lakerlova83yeah did and he what's burning the kitchen down changing Wonder Woman's origin story from being the Amazonian to Kryptonian having the gods be ancient Kryptonian beings that arrived to Earth Batman having a child with Lois Lane Superman Turner evil
Kinda funny how he was able to show up in Smallville as a recurring villain and Krypton as an overarching villain, but the realm of film has struggled for years to make a movie with him…and it’s honestly not even the fault of the character.
It’s hilarious how much they spent on drafts, rewrites, directors, sets, spec scripts just to keep the budget under control. How much was spent and wasted on all this..
The actually traditional Superman suits that Nick Cage was wearing in those pics were actually pretty dope. I wasn't a fan of the hair, but that could've changed. But those traditional Superman suits were pretty dope, including the modified "underwear" over the pants they did. I bet those wouldve looked great on screen.
1:04:35 Oh my God! My aunt told me about this over 15 years ago when she worked at Warner Bros, but she told me it was Batman vs. Superman's director was afraid of flying to Australia.
Still waiting for the video about George Miller’s Justice League, Ridley Scott’s I Am Legend, original Jurassic Park sequels, original Wonder Woman, original Ant-Man and Guillermo Del Toro’s At the Mountain of Madness
Funnily enough, both Matt Bomer and Jerry O’Connell both ended up getting to play Superman in voice over. Bomer in Superman: Unbound and O’Connell in multiple movies. Also find it funny that Bomer and Brendon Frazier ended up playing two different comic characters together on Doom Patrol as Negative Man and Robot Man
I never changed my mind so much between "that would be fantastic" and "that would be a tragedy" within the hour like in the time I was watching the video... Thanks for your work, it was great!
I actually found the script online for Superman Flyby, and read the script. It's...not the most terrible script for a movie ever but it's still very odd. This movie is basically the Superman equivalent to Darren Aronofsky's cancelled Batman Year one film, where there are A TON of changes from the source material, which aren't bad ideas, but they just don't fit the material. First of all, Krypton is ruled by a monarchy now, and it never blows up, it's still up and running. Also, the Kryptonian culture is influenced by Japanese culture (katana weapons used by kryptonians, martial arts moves based on karate, etc). Jor-El and Lara Zor-El are the king and queen, and their dethroned by Kata-Zor, Jor-El's evil younger brother that was made up by Abrams (even though the last part of a kryptonian name is the last name, so how are they related? Shouldn't it be Kata-El? ). Years later, Ty-Zor, Kata-Zor's son, goes to earth to kill Kal-El for his dad with a gang of kryptonian soldiers even though Superman had no knowledge of Krypton and isn't really a threat at all (in fact them coming to earth actually made Superman a threat towards them). Superman has the army of the UN kill the villainous group with kryptonite missiles. The movie also rips off the Donner films in some scenes (Lois and Superman flying through air lovingly). Superman and Lois don't have that much chemistry and don't actually talk that much, so it feels rushed. Superman manages to learn the Kryptonian martial arts out of nowhere without any training whatsoever. And then you have Lex Luthor.... who's now the director of a scientific subsidiary of the CIA who studies alien phenomena and is obsessed with it. He makes a deal with Ty-Zor to help him kill Superman in return for the rule of Earth, and it doesn't work. Also Superman leaves earth to Krypton in a cliffhanger. Also, remember that silly part of the script that sole people mentioned with Lex Luthor being a kryptonian all along? That's in the script, except that it isn't even revealed properly during a post-credit scene. He just randomly interrupts Clark and Lois making out and just reveals out of nowhere that he's a Kryptonian that came to Earth some years ago in a pod, and that he was an elite soldier for Kata-Zor. Why did he come to Earth? How did he get his CIA position? What's his vendetta against Superman and who does he really work for? Never explained, just has Superman beat Luthor with Kryptonite and then he gets taken away to jail somehow. The biggest problem with this script is that, like the Aronofsky Batman film, it sounds interesting how some of the changes are this big. It does sound pretty ballsy and unique. But the problem is that, like Aronofsky's Batman, it just causes some elements to go against what the source material stood for to the point where it's weird that it's even a Superman movie at all. Krypton blowing up shaped Superman's identity. It gave him hope that he'd find out his origins and get answers, and instead realizes that his home planet and people are all gone except for him. That's what made his arc interesting in the comic, he knew he was the only one left, and so he decided that it was who he was on Earth that really mattered most and the people he loves on Earth. By having Krypton still up and functioning, all that complexity is taken away. You also have the original character of Kata-Zor, who doesn't sound like the worst idea ever, but once you read what he's like you realize that you could've replaced him with either Zod or Brainiac and it could've been the same. Ty-Zor has no character whatsoever and just wants to kill his cousin cause.... his daddy said so. The idea of a Kryptonian disgusted as a CIA Agent using his influence to try to take down Superman is a good idea as well, for an original character. But when you try to claim that the guy's Lex Luthor... it just doesn't fit cause it's nothing like who he's supposed to be, and once again goes against the comic: Lex Luthor was so threatening BECAUSE HE WAS A HUMAN. He had NONE of Superman's powers, but he made up for it with his brilliant mind and manipulation abilities. But with this weird change he's just another Kryptonain bad guy... riveting.
Definitely. I think the best versions of Lex usually incorporate on some level a hatred for aliens or at least kryptonians. Superman represents a power he can never have, never control, so he fears that power and ruthlessly attacks him. I don’t think a good Lex story has to have him without powers though. “All Star Superman” is often said to be one of the best Superman stories ever told and that’s completely deserved. Lex gains the powers of a kryptonian in that book. I do have a real issue with Lex being kryptonian though. That flies in the face of what he stands for in his best versions.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND now I'm worried about the possible Abrams written-and-directed Superman "reboot/relaunch/sequel-to-MoS-that's-a-reboot-in-disguise".
Sounds like a hunk of shit. This is what I'm talking about. The freaking studios always have to interfere. They should have just let Kevin Smith write a Superman movie without any studio interference. That's just my humble opinion. Thank you for all the info on a Superman Flyby script.
Yes, totally agree, I think Matt had the perfect look for Superman back then and Keri Russell the same for Lois. Would have loved to have seen that version!
What I would like to see you do and your style is the history of the making of John Carter to the screen studio seven making a John Carter movie often on since 1936
I was a big fan of smallville, I glad they at least interviewed Tom welling for the part. I would have loved to have seen Michael Rosenbaum's as Alex on the big screen. He's the best Lex ever.
@@charlesbrowning9748 I have to agree with you, he was the best Lex! I'd love to see a Smallville Superman show. Smallville was my favorite show back then.
A couple of things are immediately apparent from this six-or-seven-film chronology: -- Jon Peters is an incredible tool, who was multiply sued for sexual misconduct -- The "screw quality, we just wanna sell toys" attitude has persisted since 1987
Although I really don’t like Abrams’ script, I love that Ratner considered Tom Welling for the role. Everyone wanted to see Welling become the Man of Steel after falling in love with him as Clark on Smallville. The idea of him starting on television and then jumping to the big screen to don the cape is incredible. After all, Welling was Reeve’s choice as his successor for the role.
Matt Bomer actually looked the most like Superman to me. I've never heard of him before, and that's what I would like. I think he would've been dope. But for me now, Henry Cavil is Superman, and always will be. If they do recast, I hope they cast a new guy like Matt Bomer.
@@Jose-se9pu Well I mean he plays negative man and being gay is a big part of that character so it must help that he's actually gay in real life, also its a shame he never got to play Superman because I'm sure he could of done a good job in the role.
Your videos have made me a MASSIVE fan of yours!!! These last three Superman videos have blown me away more and more as they went on. Please keep these coming! I actually watched this video with my roommate since you teased it in the last one. We were both equally blown away and entertained!
@@paulheap1982 Yeah he didn't have the slightest clue about what made star trek Star trek, its about exploration and futurism and discussing interesting moral concepts sure there's some action in it but it's not the main element.
@@zacharyjochumsen9677Josh Hartnett would have done a good job. If only they had a script that was something everyone could be happy with and have a director attached to see it all the way through then things would have been in good shape.
Love this video. You keep delivering, man. Fascinating stuff. So frustrating to see my beloved Superman mis-handled by studio big wigs so badly. Give him to DC to develop WITHOUT studio interference from WB.
Started with _Superman Lives_ and now I find myself binge-watching your content. I'm not a DC fan at all, but the level of research you have put into these videos is nothing short of brilliant!
Actually, I prefer to have characters owned by companies. If they were public domain we would have films about them coming out every few years with each of them being a different iteration. Just look at Robin Hood and King Arthur.
@@OvertheHedge06 robin hood and king arthur both have awesome movies throughout the years. But they're not popular like superheroes are. If every company could make a batman movie it would mean more competion, that leads to better movies
@@OvertheHedge06 I just don't think batman would ever be stale.... And that sure as hell is not an argument that justifies the blatant corruption that public domain laws have gone through by major corporations... If batman is 100 years old he should be owned by the public
While I understand how passionate McG and Brett Ratner were they still wouldn’t have fit well in my opinion, in my honest opinion I would pick either Michael Mann or Steven Soderbergh PS: I think Beyoncé would’ve been a good Lois lane, the same thing for Josh Hartnett as Superman.
I love your channel. Very well done my friend. Some suggestions you could consider for upcoming videos: -Superman returns sequels. -The early 2000’s sequel to John Carpenter’s The Thing. -the ongoing Ghostbusters 3 from the 1990’s to the early 2010’s -Indiana Jones 4 of the 1990’s -Lenard Nimoy’s Star Trek Generations
The Superman movie I would love to see by Tim Burton would involve Metallo and some other villains and Metropolis would look like the city in the 1927 movie Metropolis and, yes, Superman would be played by Nicolas Cage.
Your research & editing is fantastic. I'm assuming that George Miller's vision for Justice League with Armie Hammer as Batman & Adam Brody as Flash will be featured on your channel sometime in the future. Thank you for all the work that you have put in to entertaining and informing all comic book geeks great & small
I love these awesome videos. Great job! I am a HUGE Man of Steel fan, but there were many great and terrible ideas that I saw in this video. I really liked that Superman suit with the red shoulders. Keep up the great work with these videos. I will be watching more.
Brett Ratner reached out to Tom Welling about playing Superman in the movie when he was on to direct the movie. But scheduling conflicts kept Welling from coming in. Tom confirmed this on Jimmy Fallon during that time.
Abrams movie, alien Lex and all, spunded exciting. I'm always ok with seeing properties approached with fresh ideas. I wish it got made with him directing circa 2006. His MI3 and Star Trek were so refreshing and fast paced that i think his Superman would have been a homerun.
I know that sometimes the producers have a fair criticism of their interventions in the creative process. But sometimes "fans" can be as hateful as well. Everyone just backlashes at everything without having an ounce of knowledge of how the creative process works.
@Collin 02456 a) That's so reductionist. Just because a premise is phrased as absurd doesn't mean the final product would be. b) A first draft usually is that bad.That's why you need subsequent drafts to polish all the errors. c) Its not that I'm defending Abrams work. I'm doesn't even a fan of his. But what I'm saying is that I hold more empathy for someone involved in the creative process rather than the "fans" who criticize everything without even knowing how the writing of a script works.
When Peters is talking about JJ's script and he says "It was like I wrote it!" the look on the interviewer's face is priceless. Edit: These videos are just astonishing! They essentially did everything but film multiple Superman movies in a row. Paid all of these people mind boggling amounts of money for pre-production, only to drop them at the last minute. This is exactly why they would be disappointed with an 800 mil box office (or whatever it was) for Justice League. A huge amount of money for any other film, but the herculean amount of effort and cash required to make a DC character movie happen means it absolutely HAS to be a huge smash hit 1bil+ take to make the whole endeavour profitable. This way of making movies is just not sustainable. And for the directors, cast and crew it's like losing a giant chunk of your life with nothing to show for it. Bomer is awesome, he would have done a great job.
For real the ego in these folks are sooo massive. Now hearing Peters talk about it I wouldn’t be surprised if JJ just wrote something he KNEW Peters would fawn over. So that Peters would green light it
After watching this I see now that every movie that gets released (especially comic book-based ones) are essentially miracles. It's a miracle that amidst all the corporate bureaucracy and artistic egos that anything gets made. P.S. This is one of the best RUclips Channels I have come across by far.
@teth-adam: I agree. Until a few years ago, I had no idea just how hard it was to have many of the comic book movies that I have enjoyed over years made.
The most I take away from this is that Ashton Kutcher thinking he's makes a better He-Man than he is a Superman. No tights for Ashton Kutcher, get him a metal bikini bottom.
43:40 Smallville ran for way too long. I would've been just fine, if the series ended at season 5 or 6, then led into a Superman movie franchise w/ Welling.
I really enjoy these documentaries sir; I would love to see you touch on the unmade 5th Batman film that Joel Schumacher was supposed to direct called "Batman Triumphant" because I want to know the entire story behind that one. 😊
Great video bro! I seriously enjoy these stories and how much effort you put into them. They're really great man! I actually think the JJ Abrams script would've been better than Superman Returns. Not a fan that director though lol. These videos are so interesting to me.
Let's face it... it is Cavill's destiny to be Superman. As says the Witcher book "Sword of Destiny": The Sword of Destiny has two blades. First is death and second is playing Superman.
ahhh yes # 3 in my Supervoid's Supermamn Could have been video Thursday! I also 2nd a video on Del Toro's At The Mountain of Madness. Thanks again for your video's.
39:10 "A while before Krypton exploded, Zod attempted to overthrow the Kryptonian government, and rule the world. He was swiftly defeated and put in the Phantom Zone (a pocket dimension used as a prison), which is where he stayed until he unintentionally freed a while later, after Krypton had already exploded."
Here's a simple question that should be asked to anyone who aspires to write, produce, or direct a Superman film. "What made Superman a SUPER man?" If the answer isn't "American culture/values", then they have no absolutely no idea of what the character is about.
Joel Shuster was Canadian and Metropolis was partially based on the city of Toronto. Also, the daily planet was based on the Toronto Star newspaper. So Superman is not as solely American as some people think. Cheers.
@@Pocketrocket-pj1us Joe Schuster left Canada when he was 9 and never went back. The Daily Planet was based on the Cincinatti Times-Star (not the Toronto version). Jerry Siegel who actually WROTE the Superman comics while Schuster illustrated them was born in and raised in Cleveland, Ohio where he attended Glenville High School where he et Joe Schuster as they both worked on their High School newspaper called (what else) "The Torch." Metropolis is based on New York, New York. (They include the same landmarks). So is Gotham, FYI. A "metropolis" is the capital (or most important city, of a region) while Gotham was the name given to New York by Washington Irving.
Originally he was for "truth and justice" Later they added "and the American way" The great religion of American exceptionalism did infect the Superman stories, but Superman was always bigger than the US. He stood for truth and justice and the entire world.
It's ridiculous the number of actors and directors who were attached/connected to Superman movies in the 90s/2000s. I think part of the problem was that the Christopher Reeve era just cast too large a shadow over everything. For people alive in the 70/80s Reeve just was Superman, along with the John WIlliams music and so on. I think they just didn't have the confidence to make a new cinematic version and ultimately they went with the homage/continuation approach from Singer. Of course that didn't really work, even though some critics and fans liked it.
I've been saying the exact same thing. The Superman purists' constant worship of the 1978 movie and their unrelenting expectation that every other adaptation has to pay tribute to it somehow has done far more damage to the Superman brand than anything any other creatives have done with the character.
This was great. You did a great job documenting the historic failures of bringing supes to the big screen. A lot of this stuff could have gone forgotten about - thankfully, we have it here to go back and watch. I remember each and every one of these moments too. Reading on sites like aintitcool, comingsoon, and even countingdown - I knew that the movie they were pitching, was NEVER going to be made. The Nicholas Cage one was the closest to being filmed from what I've gathered over the years. Sets were even built.
The reaction JJ Abrams got to deviating from the Superman mythos so perfectly explains why his Star Wars reboot was obsessed more than anything else with making the Millennium Falcon set EXACTLY like the original. I think his revisionist version would at least be worth seeing, probably more so than Brian Singer's creepily reverent to the past Superman Returns
The script was awful. Clark stops a guy from trying to rape Martha, which makes him afraid of his powers, Krypton not only doesn't explode but Superman is a secret prince who has to go back to Krypton to save it and then , worst of all, Lex Luthor is a Kryptonian, which completely undermines the entire point of the character. It was fucking terrible.
Brendan Fraser almost seems more fitting now for the role of Superman than he was back then. He has that huge neck and wide face that plenty of the drawings do. He’d be perfect for a Kingdom Come era Superman.
Josh Schwartz, the creator of Fox’s prime time soap, The OC was hired by McG to make changes to the script for the unmade Superman flyby, making Superman’s father Jor-el the main villain. Superman fans didn’t understand why Jor-el is a main baddie.
This is awesome guys!!! We actually made a Superman Flyby audio drama: ruclips.net/video/9wsTKR0xjUc/видео.html
Oh wow, what a great idea! I'll be sure to play it in my earphones at work later 👍
@@SupervoidCinema thanks! Hope you enjoy it! I love your channel!
@@SupervoidCinema is the Josh Schwartz script or outline out there ?
That’s hella cool. Thanks for doing this!
Brainiac has a curse, every (live action) movie that has him as a villain is cancelled.
Recently Zack Snyder said he wanted Brainiac as the main villain in Man of Steel 2
I just wish that they would have let Zack Snyder cook and not do all that studio interference crap they did. You're right he said he had it all set up for Brainiac to be in Man of Steel 2. In my humble opinion I would have done Metallo and Bizzaro. Then Brainiac for the third.
@@Lakerlova83I wish you fans would shut up. Cause Zack was allowed to cook. He served crap.
@@Lakerlova83yeah did and he what's burning the kitchen down changing Wonder Woman's origin story from being the Amazonian to Kryptonian having the gods be ancient Kryptonian beings that arrived to Earth Batman having a child with Lois Lane Superman Turner evil
Kinda funny how he was able to show up in Smallville as a recurring villain and Krypton as an overarching villain, but the realm of film has struggled for years to make a movie with him…and it’s honestly not even the fault of the character.
It’s hilarious how much they spent on drafts, rewrites, directors, sets, spec scripts just to keep the budget under control. How much was spent and wasted on all this..
The actually traditional Superman suits that Nick Cage was wearing in those pics were actually pretty dope. I wasn't a fan of the hair, but that could've changed. But those traditional Superman suits were pretty dope, including the modified "underwear" over the pants they did. I bet those wouldve looked great on screen.
1:04:35 Oh my God! My aunt told me about this over 15 years ago when she worked at Warner Bros, but she told me it was Batman vs. Superman's director was afraid of flying to Australia.
Still waiting for the video about George Miller’s Justice League, Ridley Scott’s I Am Legend, original Jurassic Park sequels, original Wonder Woman, original Ant-Man and Guillermo Del Toro’s At the Mountain of Madness
Appreciate the effort you put into this. Hollywood, though, is a mess.
I adore these videos. The voiceover adds to it massively. Have watched the Crusade one multiple times.
Funnily enough, both Matt Bomer and Jerry O’Connell both ended up getting to play Superman in voice over. Bomer in Superman: Unbound and O’Connell in multiple movies.
Also find it funny that Bomer and Brendon Frazier ended up playing two different comic characters together on Doom Patrol as Negative Man and Robot Man
Jerry o'Connell that dude is cool.
Imagine living in the timeline where there was a Brendan Fraser, Natalie Portman, and Vin Diesel Superman movie.
Vin Diesel would've been a terrible Luthor. I can't take him seriously. His acting is so bad I can't help but laugh at him.
I never changed my mind so much between "that would be fantastic" and "that would be a tragedy" within the hour like in the time I was watching the video... Thanks for your work, it was great!
I love how you adressed the alex ford script. That script is always overlooked
I actually found the script online for Superman Flyby, and read the script. It's...not the most terrible script for a movie ever but it's still very odd. This movie is basically the Superman equivalent to Darren Aronofsky's cancelled Batman Year one film, where there are A TON of changes from the source material, which aren't bad ideas, but they just don't fit the material. First of all, Krypton is ruled by a monarchy now, and it never blows up, it's still up and running. Also, the Kryptonian culture is influenced by Japanese culture (katana weapons used by kryptonians, martial arts moves based on karate, etc). Jor-El and Lara Zor-El are the king and queen, and their dethroned by Kata-Zor, Jor-El's evil younger brother that was made up by Abrams (even though the last part of a kryptonian name is the last name, so how are they related? Shouldn't it be Kata-El? ). Years later, Ty-Zor, Kata-Zor's son, goes to earth to kill Kal-El for his dad with a gang of kryptonian soldiers even though Superman had no knowledge of Krypton and isn't really a threat at all (in fact them coming to earth actually made Superman a threat towards them). Superman has the army of the UN kill the villainous group with kryptonite missiles. The movie also rips off the Donner films in some scenes (Lois and Superman flying through air lovingly). Superman and Lois don't have that much chemistry and don't actually talk that much, so it feels rushed. Superman manages to learn the Kryptonian martial arts out of nowhere without any training whatsoever. And then you have Lex Luthor.... who's now the director of a scientific subsidiary of the CIA who studies alien phenomena and is obsessed with it. He makes a deal with Ty-Zor to help him kill Superman in return for the rule of Earth, and it doesn't work. Also Superman leaves earth to Krypton in a cliffhanger. Also, remember that silly part of the script that sole people mentioned with Lex Luthor being a kryptonian all along? That's in the script, except that it isn't even revealed properly during a post-credit scene. He just randomly interrupts Clark and Lois making out and just reveals out of nowhere that he's a Kryptonian that came to Earth some years ago in a pod, and that he was an elite soldier for Kata-Zor. Why did he come to Earth? How did he get his CIA position? What's his vendetta against Superman and who does he really work for? Never explained, just has Superman beat Luthor with Kryptonite and then he gets taken away to jail somehow.
The biggest problem with this script is that, like the Aronofsky Batman film, it sounds interesting how some of the changes are this big. It does sound pretty ballsy and unique. But the problem is that, like Aronofsky's Batman, it just causes some elements to go against what the source material stood for to the point where it's weird that it's even a Superman movie at all. Krypton blowing up shaped Superman's identity. It gave him hope that he'd find out his origins and get answers, and instead realizes that his home planet and people are all gone except for him. That's what made his arc interesting in the comic, he knew he was the only one left, and so he decided that it was who he was on Earth that really mattered most and the people he loves on Earth. By having Krypton still up and functioning, all that complexity is taken away. You also have the original character of Kata-Zor, who doesn't sound like the worst idea ever, but once you read what he's like you realize that you could've replaced him with either Zod or Brainiac and it could've been the same. Ty-Zor has no character whatsoever and just wants to kill his cousin cause.... his daddy said so. The idea of a Kryptonian disgusted as a CIA Agent using his influence to try to take down Superman is a good idea as well, for an original character. But when you try to claim that the guy's Lex Luthor... it just doesn't fit cause it's nothing like who he's supposed to be, and once again goes against the comic: Lex Luthor was so threatening BECAUSE HE WAS A HUMAN. He had NONE of Superman's powers, but he made up for it with his brilliant mind and manipulation abilities. But with this weird change he's just another Kryptonain bad guy... riveting.
Definitely. I think the best versions of Lex usually incorporate on some level a hatred for aliens or at least kryptonians. Superman represents a power he can never have, never control, so he fears that power and ruthlessly attacks him.
I don’t think a good Lex story has to have him without powers though. “All Star Superman” is often said to be one of the best Superman stories ever told and that’s completely deserved. Lex gains the powers of a kryptonian in that book. I do have a real issue with Lex being kryptonian though. That flies in the face of what he stands for in his best versions.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND now I'm worried about the possible Abrams written-and-directed Superman "reboot/relaunch/sequel-to-MoS-that's-a-reboot-in-disguise".
Seems like you read the leaked one
Sounds like a hunk of shit. This is what I'm talking about. The freaking studios always have to interfere. They should have just let Kevin Smith write a Superman movie without any studio interference. That's just my humble opinion. Thank you for all the info on a Superman Flyby script.
Falling in love with this channel. I've wondered about the stories behind the canceled DC movies. You should do Justice League Mortal next
18:58 "Let Mel Gibson make it in original Krypton tongue" lol
The whole leadup had disorganization, glad-handing, and overextension on a Golan-Globus scale
These guys do an incredible job with their never made series. This is a must watch channel. This video was also incredibly good and informative.
And now Abrams is back at DC, and after his work on Star wars my reaction was a calm: *AH HEEEEELL NAH!*
Abrams ready to destroy another franchise. Leave Superman to Snyder and Cavill!
@@KTK44 amen
I really hope his production company doesn’t ruin live-action Justice League Dark and Zatanna. They are some of my fav characters.
@@KTK44 a
Matthew Bomer as Superman and Keri Russell as Lois Lane... casting doesn’t get more pitch perfect than that
Yes, totally agree, I think Matt had the perfect look for Superman back then and Keri Russell the same for Lois. Would have loved to have seen that version!
Nobody will ever look as perfect as Christopher Reeve.
Kerri Russell in anything is a 👍 from me. Woman is wildly talented(and very easy on the eye) and was wasted in TROS.
What I would like to see you do and your style is the history of the making of John Carter to the screen studio seven making a John Carter movie often on since 1936
43:38 Tom Welling's lips sync up with the narrator perfectly.
I was a big fan of smallville, I glad they at least interviewed Tom welling for the part. I would have loved to have seen Michael Rosenbaum's as Alex on the big screen. He's the best Lex ever.
@@charlesbrowning9748 I have to agree with you, he was the best Lex! I'd love to see a Smallville Superman show. Smallville was my favorite show back then.
A couple of things are immediately apparent from this six-or-seven-film chronology:
-- Jon Peters is an incredible tool, who was multiply sued for sexual misconduct
-- The "screw quality, we just wanna sell toys" attitude has persisted since 1987
Please do one on Miller's Justice League
Although I really don’t like Abrams’ script, I love that Ratner considered Tom Welling for the role. Everyone wanted to see Welling become the Man of Steel after falling in love with him as Clark on Smallville. The idea of him starting on television and then jumping to the big screen to don the cape is incredible. After all, Welling was Reeve’s choice as his successor for the role.
You are spoiling us with this content mate!!! Thank you!!!
Matt Bomer actually looked the most like Superman to me. I've never heard of him before, and that's what I would like. I think he would've been dope. But for me now, Henry Cavil is Superman, and always will be.
If they do recast, I hope they cast a new guy like Matt Bomer.
He plays Negative Man now on Doom Patrol alongside Brendan Fraser as Robot Man
@@Jose-se9pu Well I mean he plays negative man and being gay is a big part of that character so it must help that he's actually gay in real life, also its a shame he never got to play Superman because I'm sure he could of done a good job in the role.
Your videos have made me a MASSIVE fan of yours!!! These last three Superman videos have blown me away more and more as they went on. Please keep these coming! I actually watched this video with my roommate since you teased it in the last one. We were both equally blown away and entertained!
That was an hour that just flew by! Thank you for this excellent documentary!
After seeing what became of Star Trek and Star Wars... the Fans were right, regarding j.j.
Sadly he's still deeply involved with DC so don't rule out a JJ superman film yet
It's interesting seeing how J.J. talked the same way about being such a lifelong fan of Superman as he did about Star Trek and Star Wars.
@@OscarFowler he never said he'd been a Star Trek than though, quite the opposite infact.
@@paulheap1982 Yeah he didn't have the slightest clue about what made star trek Star trek, its about exploration and futurism and discussing interesting moral concepts sure there's some action in it but it's not the main element.
@@OscarFowler I mean his son had Superman pyjamas... it wasn`t a choice - it was destiny calling!
It would have been interesting to see a Superman trilogy made back in the early 2000s. Unfortunately, it never came to be.
@Joshua Hammond and Josh hartnett could have made good superman or what about davjd borenieaz as supes
@@zacharyjochumsen9677Josh Hartnett would have done a good job. If only they had a script that was something everyone could be happy with and have a director attached to see it all the way through then things would have been in good shape.
Just have to say that I love supervoid cinema, it gives us such insightful and engrossing documentaries.
Appreciate you watching!
Love this video. You keep delivering, man. Fascinating stuff. So frustrating to see my beloved Superman mis-handled by studio big wigs so badly. Give him to DC to develop WITHOUT studio interference from WB.
How you dont have a million subs is beyond me. Absolutely fantastic work, great videos, keep it up
...Jeezus that Mark Millar comment was savage... I love it!
Can't watch this without saying: Rest In Peace Jon Schnepp, stay sweaty!
Started with _Superman Lives_ and now I find myself binge-watching your content. I'm not a DC fan at all, but the level of research you have put into these videos is nothing short of brilliant!
My new favorite channel. Thanks for the good work!
This and Aronofsky's Batman fascinate me. They're so radically different from the source material that I have to see how they're done.
Supervoid cinema would you ever talk about edgar Wright's ant man
These comic book characters are too mythic to be owned by corporations. Imagine a world where Superman is in the public domain
Actually, I prefer to have characters owned by companies. If they were public domain we would have films about them coming out every few years with each of them being a different iteration.
Just look at Robin Hood and King Arthur.
@@OvertheHedge06 robin hood and king arthur both have awesome movies throughout the years.
But they're not popular like superheroes are.
If every company could make a batman movie it would mean more competion, that leads to better movies
@@Courier_333 If every studio made Batman movies then it would make Batman less special and loose his appeal. A new Batman film wouldn't be an event.
Batman isn't special because he has copies?
...what?
@@OvertheHedge06 I just don't think batman would ever be stale.... And that sure as hell is not an argument that justifies the blatant corruption that public domain laws have gone through by major corporations...
If batman is 100 years old he should be owned by the public
Millar really called his shot about there being two Batman flicks before a Superman movie would ever get greenlit.
But he was wrong, wasn't he? There was one.
While I understand how passionate McG and Brett Ratner were they still wouldn’t have fit well in my opinion, in my honest opinion I would pick either Michael Mann or Steven Soderbergh
PS: I think Beyoncé would’ve been a good Lois lane, the same thing for Josh Hartnett as Superman.
I love your channel. Very well done my friend.
Some suggestions you could consider for upcoming videos:
-Superman returns sequels.
-The early 2000’s sequel to John Carpenter’s The Thing.
-the ongoing Ghostbusters 3 from the 1990’s to the early 2010’s
-Indiana Jones 4 of the 1990’s
-Lenard Nimoy’s Star Trek Generations
The Superman movie I would love to see by Tim Burton would involve Metallo and some other villains and Metropolis would look like the city in the 1927 movie Metropolis and, yes, Superman would be played by Nicolas Cage.
Nicolas Cage would knock it out of the park. I like the idea of Superman being this strange outsider who is looking for his place in the world.
Scraping at The Phantom Zone.
Your research & editing is fantastic. I'm assuming that George Miller's vision for Justice League with Armie Hammer as Batman & Adam Brody as Flash will be featured on your channel sometime in the future. Thank you for all the work that you have put in to entertaining and informing all comic book geeks great & small
I love these awesome videos. Great job! I am a HUGE Man of Steel fan, but there were many great and terrible ideas that I saw in this video. I really liked that Superman suit with the red shoulders. Keep up the great work with these videos. I will be watching more.
Brett Ratner reached out to Tom Welling about playing Superman in the movie when he was on to direct the movie. But scheduling conflicts kept Welling from coming in. Tom confirmed this on Jimmy Fallon during that time.
-Nobody, absolutely nobody
-Warner: Let's fire Zack and bring Abrams' the script stealer
These doco’s are amazing. Thank you for making them!
These episodes are amazing. Very well done.
You guys are seriously the best channel on RUclips.
Abrams movie, alien Lex and all, spunded exciting. I'm always ok with seeing properties approached with fresh ideas. I wish it got made with him directing circa 2006. His MI3 and Star Trek were so refreshing and fast paced that i think his Superman would have been a homerun.
Ha talk Apex Lex
I mean talk about the Apex Lex
This was a really cool, informative watch.
Thanks for taking the time to piece it all together.
Man you’re one of my favourite new channels
I know that sometimes the producers have a fair criticism of their interventions in the creative process. But sometimes "fans" can be as hateful as well. Everyone just backlashes at everything without having an ounce of knowledge of how the creative process works.
@Collin 02456 a) That's so reductionist. Just because a premise is phrased as absurd doesn't mean the final product would be.
b) A first draft usually is that bad.That's why you need subsequent drafts to polish all the errors.
c) Its not that I'm defending Abrams work. I'm doesn't even a fan of his. But what I'm saying is that I hold more empathy for someone involved in the creative process rather than the "fans" who criticize everything without even knowing how the writing of a script works.
Every time I see a "production bible" I remember how Jadorowski layed one out for DUNE and they passed but copied so many of his techniques and ideas.
When Peters is talking about JJ's script and he says "It was like I wrote it!" the look on the interviewer's face is priceless. Edit: These videos are just astonishing! They essentially did everything but film multiple Superman movies in a row. Paid all of these people mind boggling amounts of money for pre-production, only to drop them at the last minute. This is exactly why they would be disappointed with an 800 mil box office (or whatever it was) for Justice League. A huge amount of money for any other film, but the herculean amount of effort and cash required to make a DC character movie happen means it absolutely HAS to be a huge smash hit 1bil+ take to make the whole endeavour profitable. This way of making movies is just not sustainable. And for the directors, cast and crew it's like losing a giant chunk of your life with nothing to show for it.
Bomer is awesome, he would have done a great job.
For real the ego in these folks are sooo massive. Now hearing Peters talk about it I wouldn’t be surprised if JJ just wrote something he KNEW Peters would fawn over. So that Peters would green light it
@@mykeljewell Meaning JJ put Clark in jean shorts with boots, spurs and a backwards baseball cap on.
Every once in a while I can watch a well made, well investigated video when you upload my friend, keep up the good work!!!
After watching this I see now that every movie that gets released (especially comic book-based ones) are essentially miracles. It's a miracle that amidst all the corporate bureaucracy and artistic egos that anything gets made.
P.S. This is one of the best RUclips Channels I have come across by far.
@teth-adam: I agree. Until a few years ago, I had no idea just how hard it was to have many of the comic book movies that I have enjoyed over years made.
Loving All These Superman Videos!!! Well Done!!!
All this shows how perfect Henry Cavill is in the part....
Totally agree with you and now I know why, didn't realize how much they went through to find the right guy for the job.
Totally agree with you and now I know why, didn't realize how much they went through to find the right guy for the job.
d.j cotrona would have been good too i think
28:42 so I guess he is supposed to be this version of General Zod?
So glad your uploading again. Great stuff
Love these! Thanks so much for making them!
I miss John Schnepp. I was happy to take a picture with him at the new york city comic con, many years ago. This is an outstanding video.
I’m glad these early 2000’s superman movies were never made. Thank you comic book Gods!
The most I take away from this is that Ashton Kutcher thinking he's makes a better He-Man than he is a Superman. No tights for Ashton Kutcher, get him a metal bikini bottom.
Thank you. I really enjoyed watching the Sinatra video at lunch time today.
Henry Cavill as Superman? Like that would ever happen
Theses are awesome videos you make. I watch them multiple times. Very epic.
That's very much appreciated.. Cheers!
43:40 Smallville ran for way too long. I would've been just fine, if the series ended at season 5 or 6, then led into a Superman movie franchise w/ Welling.
Your "Hollywood-type reading a PR statement" voice is so goddamn good.
Well, now J.J Abrams is set to direct a new Superman film. I guess WB didn't learn their lesson that Abrams isn't the right fit for a Superman film.
I really enjoy these documentaries sir; I would love to see you touch on the unmade 5th Batman film that Joel Schumacher was supposed to direct called "Batman Triumphant" because I want to know the entire story behind that one. 😊
Well now J.J. Abrams has been confirmed to make a Superman movie I wonder if he’s going to take this script and make a movie out of it
Great video bro! I seriously enjoy these stories and how much effort you put into them. They're really great man! I actually think the JJ Abrams script would've been better than Superman Returns. Not a fan that director though lol. These videos are so interesting to me.
You got a new subscriber... Thank you it was very interesting!!
Matt bomer would’ve been an amazing super man, the cast of the Brett ratner film looked incredible
I don't like the idea of Krypton being still alive. I like the idea of Superman being the last of his kind.
Let's face it... it is Cavill's destiny to be Superman.
As says the Witcher book "Sword of Destiny": The Sword of Destiny has two blades. First is death and second is playing Superman.
Thank you supervoid
Oh hell yeah, Friday came ealry this week
This is so well done, same with your other videos. Great stuff
Thanks man, I appreciate you watching them!
It's interesting that Laura Flynn Boyle had been considered to play Lois Lane, because I think Dylan McDermott looks like a perfect Clark.
ahhh yes # 3 in my Supervoid's Supermamn Could have been video Thursday! I also 2nd a video on Del Toro's At The Mountain of Madness. Thanks again for your video's.
I hope JJ gets another chance at Superman with a new actor and your channel sir, is outstanding!
@Angus Ng FINALLY!!!
Lord that Nicholas Cage dialogue was HILARIOUS with the video .. 😭😂😂😂😂 like bro...nah.
Frickin brilliant video, man! Amazing work!
I used to reject McG directing Superman back in those days.. untill We Are Marshall came out.
Terminator Salvation is underrated imo. Especially if they used the alternative ending for it.
At this point, I'd *kill* for a Charlie's Angels style Superman. That sounds fun as fuck!
39:10 "A while before Krypton exploded, Zod attempted to overthrow the Kryptonian government, and rule the world. He was swiftly defeated and put in the Phantom Zone (a pocket dimension used as a prison), which is where he stayed until he unintentionally freed a while later, after Krypton had already exploded."
Here's a simple question that should be asked to anyone who aspires to write, produce, or direct a Superman film. "What made Superman a SUPER man?" If the answer isn't "American culture/values", then they have no absolutely no idea of what the character is about.
Based.
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@@BarronVonSchnoot
This aged badly.
Joel Shuster was Canadian and Metropolis was partially based on the city of Toronto. Also, the daily planet was based on the Toronto Star newspaper. So Superman is not as solely American as some people think.
Cheers.
@@Pocketrocket-pj1us Joe Schuster left Canada when he was 9 and never went back. The Daily Planet was based on the Cincinatti Times-Star (not the Toronto version). Jerry Siegel who actually WROTE the Superman comics while Schuster illustrated them was born in and raised in Cleveland, Ohio where he attended Glenville High School where he et Joe Schuster as they both worked on their High School newspaper called (what else) "The Torch."
Metropolis is based on New York, New York. (They include the same landmarks).
So is Gotham, FYI.
A "metropolis" is the capital (or most important city, of a region) while Gotham was the name given to New York by Washington Irving.
Originally he was for "truth and justice"
Later they added "and the American way"
The great religion of American exceptionalism did infect the Superman stories, but Superman was always bigger than the US. He stood for truth and justice and the entire world.
That was really good, thanks
It's ridiculous the number of actors and directors who were attached/connected to Superman movies in the 90s/2000s.
I think part of the problem was that the Christopher Reeve era just cast too large a shadow over everything. For people alive in the 70/80s Reeve just was Superman, along with the John WIlliams music and so on. I think they just didn't have the confidence to make a new cinematic version and ultimately they went with the homage/continuation approach from Singer. Of course that didn't really work, even though some critics and fans liked it.
I've been saying the exact same thing. The Superman purists' constant worship of the 1978 movie and their unrelenting expectation that every other adaptation has to pay tribute to it somehow has done far more damage to the Superman brand than anything any other creatives have done with the character.
This was great. You did a great job documenting the historic failures of bringing supes to the big screen. A lot of this stuff could have gone forgotten about - thankfully, we have it here to go back and watch.
I remember each and every one of these moments too. Reading on sites like aintitcool, comingsoon, and even countingdown - I knew that the movie they were pitching, was NEVER going to be made. The Nicholas Cage one was the closest to being filmed from what I've gathered over the years. Sets were even built.
I come back to this every now and then. Just a great job on this story 🙌
The reaction JJ Abrams got to deviating from the Superman mythos so perfectly explains why his Star Wars reboot was obsessed more than anything else with making the Millennium Falcon set EXACTLY like the original. I think his revisionist version would at least be worth seeing, probably more so than Brian Singer's creepily reverent to the past Superman Returns
I can’t see Cage playing Superman, but Thomas Wayne in Flashpoint Paradox? Yes!!!
The script was awful. Clark stops a guy from trying to rape Martha, which makes him afraid of his powers, Krypton not only doesn't explode but Superman is a secret prince who has to go back to Krypton to save it and then , worst of all, Lex Luthor is a Kryptonian, which completely undermines the entire point of the character.
It was fucking terrible.
Brendan Fraser almost seems more fitting now for the role of Superman than he was back then. He has that huge neck and wide face that plenty of the drawings do. He’d be perfect for a Kingdom Come era Superman.
He looks like shit
Barandon Routh actually aged into the role of KC Supes perfectly.
Hope you are kidding 😂.
Josh Schwartz, the creator of Fox’s prime time soap, The OC was hired by McG to make changes to the script for the unmade Superman flyby, making Superman’s father Jor-el the main villain. Superman fans didn’t understand why Jor-el is a main baddie.