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TEARING APART my new Ford Lightning electric truck made my mechanic WANT TO RETIRE?!?!
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As a retired FORD mechanic I laughed my ass off when Hoovie said I'm a 5.4 watch me drop a cam phaser..I used to love those cuz I could easily beat the flat rate on 'em.
I felt personally attacked with that bit lol
As gas truck motors go? I think you can do a lot worse.
*laughs with 2V then blows a spark plug*
@@timetravelerdmc9809 2v is like, 3000% more reliable.
Lol fords are junk
Proud owner of a 2023 Lariat LR. Think of all the things you don't have to replace over time with a Lightning. Exhaust system, transmissions, tune ups, lubricants, filters, plugs, starters, fuel systems, etc, etc!
Oh and because of regenerative braking the brake pads could easily last the life of the vehicle.
Few owners mention but the amazing full matrix headlights are incredible.
Alright let’s settle this starting with the brakes. Brake fluid has to be changed every two years because it’s hygroscopic and performs worse over time. Hopefully you can bleed those yourself without a dealers scan tool, but probably with a fancy vacuum pump at a minimum. The F150 has a significantly shorter stopping distance being the lighter vehicle which in the real world is more important than acceleration and makes it far safer. Then the tires will wear down quicker over time and be more expensive due to the weight on the EV. As you saw here there are two coolant systems. The battery coolant is lifetime so there is no manufacturer support in replacing or repairing that system when something goes wrong. As far as catastrophic failures you are trading the engine and transmission for the battery. I’ll take the engine and transmission because at least in that case I can change only one of those whereas the cost of the battery would be both the cost of the engine and transmission if not more. The suspension is entirely made up of wear parts on both vehicles by nature depending on rubber. The EV being heavier vehicle will have a more expensive suspension to replace when the time inevitably comes. In the time it takes to charge the lightning at a level 3 charger I can change my oil in the comfort of my own garage every few months which doubles as my routine inspection time. If you are lucky you are going to trade less frequent more expensive maintenance for more frequent less expensive maintenance.
I live in a rural community and these trucks are FAR off of what we need for agricultural use. After watching your video of the towing range, I'll be sticking with combustion engines for the foreseeable future.
Yeah an electric truck made for agricultural use wouldn't have a 20 inch touchscreen either. I get what you're saying but Ford isn't exactly looking for your business with the Lightning. This is for suburbanites who don't do truck stuff and would be better served with a Honda Accord and renting a uhaul the 2 times a year they buy mulch or a new dryer but their ego won't let them buy a car.
No amount of effort will get you a practical EV farm truck. Battery tech simply isn't there yet - hopefully something actually nice shows up soon enough
Cybertruck
@@jackthatmonkey8994 Cybertruck
EVs are expensive golf carts. I might consider getting one for local driving only. Hybrids are by far the most efficient as they recharge themselves and allow for long range trips with quick refueling and not needing a road map to find charging stations that take 45 minutes to charge for another 100 miles of range.
I've watched a thousand Lightening videos and you guys are the first to take out the front tub. Great job.👍 Finally nice to see what's under there.
It ain't lookin' pretty under there...
I appreciated the tub-out perspective as well.
Go watch Munro Live…. There’s much much more to learn!
@@MartinJones123 you kiddin? You ever seen these GTDI v6s? Looks like a colony of heat and hoses.
@@aliabdallah102 Well true, but electric cars have wiring all over the place... That's why I'm saying that it doesn't look very good under the tub...
I'm all for going green, I even bike to work, but I have a very hard time not feeling like the future of cars is moving to unrepairable and planned obsolescence. Great for companies, not any better for consumers or the environment.
I'm sure your coworkers appreciate the smell of sweaty gym socks you bring to your cubicle after you bike to work every morning.....
@@henryjoshual1848 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My impression is that the future is moving to longer-lasting vehicles that don't need as many repairs, but what repairs are needed will mostly be swapping out modules because it will simply be easier and cheaper to replace an old module with a new one than to repair the old one. But I also expect that with autonomy we will begin to see transportation as a service displacing much private ownership of vehicles, especially in urban areas, so the companies operating those services will want vehicles that are durable and easy to repair so that if something breaks the vehicle can be quickly repaired and put back in service rather than sitting around in the garage.
That said, I expect most people in rural areas and many in small towns will still own their own vehicles. In urban areas where a wait time for an autonomous taxi will be very short and parking costs can be very high transportation as a service will be a huge cost saver - but in rural areas and in small towns not so much.
unfortunately, the lie in society is that vehicles are the problem. they are not. and if they were, its not coming from 1st world countries.
@@alanlight7740 Autonomous vehicles are a pipe-dream in the real world; a sci-fi fantasy that will never overcome legal hurdles even if technically feasible in a controlled environment.
Fun fact an electric car uses 6 times the amount of rare earth metals than a comparable ICE vehicle.
Yea an EV is just another take on the automobile. Any notion of “environmentalism” is purely psychological.
Simply because of the current battery tech. Battery chemistry changes. Plus current ones are highly recyclable. You can't recycle burned gas
@peek5548 Well, transferred to various places more like.
I am an old, disabled vet and just got a great deal on a 2023 Lariat, extended battery Lightning. I absolutely love this truck. I am not like Hoovie where I can flip a vehicle on a whim. This truck is much less complicated than a internal combustion vehicle with all it's complicated systems. No thanks, I am done with ICE cars.
How's it less complicated. The electronics on the vehicle would be very complicated all by itself. If there was a fault somewhere it'd cost a lot in labour to diagnose.
@@firecatinfernus3534 30K to 40K total moving parts on a ICE F150, 40 or less moving parts on a electric F150. Lightning. Duh!
Right and left aside, nobody seems to hate Hoovie. And thats important. He is just honest and we should all hope it stays that way.
This is the second video I've watched of his. I will take exception to your statement and say this guy is a fuckin numbnuts that wakes up in a new world every day. Every GD comment he makes about this truck "huh that's different but the torque though". Ugh. Take the fanboi glasses off and rewatch.
@@martybadboy Watch more. It's his shtick. The whole thing is based on him being a goof who makes bad decisions
Crazy that Ford didnt follow Tesla with a heat pump and a single system to handle all. Sandy Munro's Mach E teardown showed how many crazy cooling hoses and pumps Ford is using. This is definitely 1st Gen EV and I am sure it will reduce in parts later.
People online like to knock Tesla for quality, some of it is rightfully deserved, but you can't knock their engineering to make their cars as easy to produce (and repair) as possible. I know somebody with a 5 year old Model 3 who has yet to take it in for any sort of service.
It is far more complicated than the Tesla system but it has the advantage of a backup heat source. It can use the inverter and motor heat to supplement heat or be the primary heat source of the PTC heater fails. Tesla doesn't have that capability. But I do expect Ford to eventually move to a heat pump solely for the efficiency gains.
@@asimo3089 Running stuff until it breaks is normal behavior for people, not a mark of excellence.
If you look around at many late model ICE vehicles you'll find coolant hose counts not far off this Lightning. Water-air intercooler, fuel cooler, and trans cooler on cold red with electric pump. Engine and turbo on the hot radiator and engine driven pump but may have an electric one too. The transfer case can also be plumbed to the cooling system for it to be cooled. The EV coolant Temps are 150-ish and less.
Bill?
Kudos to Car Wizard for taking the hit with that water bottle bit just to make a funny video.
Oh man you guys just reminded me of my 2004 5.4 cam phases rattling extremely loud. I remember someone asking me if I had a diesel engine one time. Ford wanted $2500 to repair my phasers and then look at timing chains (think had 2) that was another $1500 if bad. I sold it soon after. Like the channel gents!
That's exactly what I was thinking with the tailgate, all that nonsense is cool at first, but how much is an electric tailgate cost to fix or replace in the event of a rear end collision? All that cool crap is going to need to be fixed someday.
Not even in a rear end collision. I'll be making the other bastard's insurance pay for that part. But the real question is what will it cost when it just breaks on its own and you just have to replace it out of your own pocket
"I think that's something waiting to break..." said EVERY car owner in the last 10 years... There's an episode of "King of the Hill" where Hank is invited to a focus group on a new truck, and he says it's one step away from being a powder room. He was spot on.
That was a lawnmower focus group
I guess you're right, it's been a while..."Nine pretty darn angry men"
@@Blowinshiddup I think it's even funnier and exemplary of how far we have pushed every product into the absurd. I've been on a KOTH kick lately. Just watched the ep last week. Every child in school should be forced to watch the entirety of KOTH for basic civics. It would be leagues better than the modern curriculum
Well, in the '80's it was broke when you got it from the dealer!
how would these EVs standin the salt belt?
Door number pad is awesome and I’ll never be convinced otherwise. You can throw all your stuff in the car including keys and lock it so you don’t lose anything, for instance, going on a float trip? Leave wallet, phone, keys in car, lock it, have fun drinking on tipping over canoes, swimming, floating etc, without worry that you’ll need to replace a $800 phone, $200 key/fob, credit cards, ID, etc or anything.
It will always be one of my favorite feature on a car.
I don't understand why people say that doesn't like the key pad. Maybe are just Ford haters lol
with my old subaru i clipped the keys by the fuel pump under the car
I hate that absolutely NOBODY else went this route for keyless entry.
So what you are saying is criminals just need to focus on Fords, cause their owners will even leave the keys in the car making it super easy to steal?
it amazes me that ford is pretty much the only company who ever did it. I believe Nissan tried it back in the mid 80's? but it was super rare.
I don't really lock my truck, but I love the keypad.
My 05 5.4 is still hauling 1200 lbs of gravel after 284k like it only has 175k. I've had it 5 years and spent less than $1500 for all work other than oil changes.
“I’m a Ford 5.4. Watch me drop a cam phaser.” 😂😂😂😂 I just swallowed my gum!!!
I didn't get it
@@harrybarnes3539 The 5.4 3 valve is notorious for cam phaser failures.
@@6jefes948 ty
I can’t imagine the nightmare these will become after a couple winters in an area that has salt on the roads.
Yeah because I'm sure Ford hasn't thought about that.
@@uowebfoot With Ford recalling 5.4 million vehicles last year it won't be their first time not thinking about something.
No worries, you’re saving the planet lol.
@@uowebfoot I agree, they haven't! Have you seen the issues they have with their 100 year old technology called reciprocating gas engines?
Absolutely. Give it a season or 2 in upstate ny's salt and calcium loaded salt.
When I bought my latest Ford truck a few years back, at the dealership when I was signing the huge stack of papers etc. The guy of course started in on the sales pitch for all the various extended warranties, when he tried the extended warranty for the electrical system. He said your standard warranty doesn't cover the electrical system and he said "Your new truck has 15 km of wiring in it... you should get this warranty" I couldn't imagine how much more wiring this truck has. I declined all the extra warranties, I was very specific about it... yet somehow in the stack of papers he managed to slip in a tire warranty, I was so mad about that. Surprise, surprise that tire warranty was next to useless, you needed to get pre-authorization to get a flat repair, at only approved shops... who the heck has time to deal with all that when you get a flat?
This truck is going to be exactly like the mustang Mach E nothing but a big expensive piece of crap over expensive and what is it going to be good good for I saw a test on one of these loaded with a trailer it went 50 miles versus a diesel truck which went 250 miles they tested this lightning on the tfl RUclips so whoever bought this truck I would send it back get your money back and buy a real truck with a real engine like a diesel .
A friend of mine owns a 4 bay Garage he has operated since he was a Teenager! He once told me that "if it wasn't for FORD's, he would starve to death!" That's when I noticed all 4 bays had a ford in it and we live in a GM town with a huge GM factory just 1 mile away! I had warranty problems with a new 98 Ranger I bought. Piss poor service and had to argue with them to get the problems fixed. I didn't buy another one. Only 1 new Ford experience for me was enough!
Believe it or not, there's likely less wiring (for the drivetrain) in this. Think of how many wires a standard engine has, four wires for every 02 sensor, IAC, oil pressure, individual injectors, coil on plug harnesses, crank and cam positioning sensors.
On this a lot of it is packed up front where it's safe, the rest of the truck should be identical to a gas truck, with ABS sensors and all that being similar.
A very basic EV can have so much less wiring, but companies are cramming them full of other comfort electronics since there's expensive anyway.
And in a few more years, nobody is going to hassle me about add-ons when I get a used one. My C-Max Energi will last long enough for me to pick up a Mustang off lease in a few years, and then no more gasoline in a car EVER.
(I'll keep an ICE bike a bit longer, nobody's built one I really want yet.)
The plug-in hybrid is great, and the last few months I've loved laughing at the suckers paying today's gas prices, but it's almost time to never care what gas costs again.
@@jonc4403 Well, I agree in principle, except we need to triple our current production of electricity, within 15 years... and I don't see triple the power plants, being built... or electrical transmission lines, and as usual it all comes down to supply and demand.
EV’s have a long way to go and the support for them even further
Fun fact: The government rarely mandates things that are good for humanity.
I love the number pad thing it's a life saver. If I go hiking just lock everything up and when I come back, just punch in the code. Sometimes I give the code to my friends so they wait for me inside the truck instead of standing outside waiting for me, so convenient.
I don't even know what my code is. LOL
Definitely a life saver, I have it on my F-150 HD. Sometimes for a quick return to grab something I forgot, instead of leaving the engine running with unlock doors (car thieves can jump in), I just lock it up and punch in the code when I return.
@@johnrogers8763 found mine for the truck I bought on a tag on the computer under the dash
Me too - I would never have imagined how convenient it is to be able to get in and out of the truck without the key.
They did try to kill off the number pad once, but there was an uproar from customers and they brought it back. I read someplace that Ford wants to kill it, but can’t figure out how.
Never seen a number pad to unlock a regular car like this before, neat.
I lost it when the wizard got a face full of water 😂
i just about did what he did with my coffee when I saw it. LOL
i was like "bad timing if he start drinking the water when Tyler is going to floor it" well guess what! 🤣
So fake
That was GOLD
Lol you Americans are easily fooled and pleased. So glad our English humour in the uk is a lot less fake 😂😂
I died when wizard ate his water. 😂 Even if it was planned, it's pretty funny that this brand spanking new truck just got its first spill.
15:10 i love how the spare is just sitting there without a skid plate protecting it, just waiting for it to get punctured or the rim cracked or crushed and its nice how all the skid plates that are on the bottom have no side skirts on them allowing debri and braches etc... to poke into the spaces and destroy the sensitive electronics.
Pushing the button to electrically close the tailgate just cost him 10 miles
Hooking up to a small trailer will cost him about 200 miles.
EPIC!!! lol
Yep. Several tests showing range of only about 100 miles tiwing 3500 pounds.
I am guessing sarcasm because you are smart enough to know all the accessories run off the 12volt battery. Not the main battery.
Lmao
Though it was obviously staged, I loved seeing the Wizard doused in water upon acceleration. Very entertaining indeed.
We haven’t seen that level of staged since Top Gear (U.K.) went under. Great work.
@@Jay-Kay-Em They would have accepted the emmy for best unscripted comedy but they were too busy writing their script.
When I do that to my girl she doesn't think it's funny, but it's actually a riot.
@@Hedonistic0Frog I read that in Clarkson's voice.
Loved Hoovies towing loop test and M-Trend tested the $93K “Platinum” with max upgrades and only made it 90 miles, towing an 7,200 lb travel trailer. EPA shows 300mi range empty with driver only and the test only returned 230 miles. Also Ford announced losses due to increased production costs that will add at least $5K to all models.
Obviously they all have a long way to go with battery technology, etc. before ET’s are a viable replacement option for ICE’s.
That tailgate and electrical stuff buried in the box will sure work great when it’s buried in ice and snow and slush
"whatever you would want to measure I suppose... if you're a man alone with his truck" 😂😂that one got me
Yeah I chuckled at that one too!
I thought he was going to Stand at the side of the tailgate and do some eyebrow Corny smile.
Followed by "that is for the boomers with the bad knees" lol
@@mrheath4928 poop pop pop pop pop pop
I imagine a man alone with this truck would slap his BBC on that tailgate
(Big black Cod)
Like the Fish
The car wizard will need a stunt double if this channel keeps going in this direction lol
Isn't that the ninja?
Dude is like 40 and talking about retirement. RUclips has been good for him.
i hope it does i loved this kind of nonsense
lol was funny watching him bounce around like a rag doll
I suspect Hoovie's parts prices just went up a bit....
Towing cuts your distance between charging in half, so you'll need to recharge every 100 miles or so. Sorta puts a crimp on pulling a trailer.
Looks like a 1 year lifespan in the real world. Then you pay someone to dispose of it in a hazmat suit! 😂
That Magic Mike is such a cool dude. Yeah I’d take my EV to his shop for repairs.
I'd love to hear the Elon Musk story.
@@Beer_Dad1975 Vinwiki needs to get on it.
I can see Magic Mike starting his own Electrified Garage.
I agree with all the comments👍
Gonna' be fun seeing how the salvage / wrecking yards handle business with these E cars and trucks.
There's a market for e-waste, you will just have more entrants to this market as demand grows
Wonder how many thousands they’ll be charging for that... gotta save the earth, lol!
@@chrisstromberg6527 really?...they end up on a bigpile i can tell you that now. Recycling this costs to much money. We'll talk again in 10 years.
Most batteries are worth money at the scrap yard. What makes these different?
@@joeweaver9913 I went to Batteries Plus to recycle AA and AAA and 9V batteries and had to pay them to take them. Will EV batteries be the same? You can bet there will be a “disposal” fee when they are replaced, assuming they can or will be.
“What would you need to measure?”
“Whatever you’d want to measure if your a man alone with his truck.” 😉 😂
I'm telling you, I'd break that fancy charging thing almost immediately lol, the first load of firewood its gone. Hopefully they have that inside a metal box. I do like the front trunk where the motor used to be. That's a handy place to store tools and would be a better place for the plugs that are in the bed. All in all evs won't currently work for my application I live in rural areas but I am excited for the future, as we perfect the technology they may become useful.
I was going to say the plugs in the bed would be great for plugging in your power tools but everyone is now using cordless tools so I don't see a value .
That's precisely it. Unless you're an enthusiast (for the truck), or only need it for a daily commute, EV's won't be practical. However, they do fill a considerable need for millions of people. The rest, well, as you said... once they perfect the technology, ICE vehicles will mostly be a novelty. Or, only useful in places where electricity is just not feasible. But that's likely 15-20 years away.
The door keypad thing is great for those of us that do watersports and don’t want to ruin the fob with saltwater.
Lol watersports 😉
@@christianterrill3503 R Kelly was a big fan of the door keypad :)
It look identical to one on a 25 year old Ford.
Everything is peaches and cream when new but just wait after a few years when the nightmare begins. PURE JUNK!
I lock my keys in my truck (intentionally) all the time. It’s a guarantee I won’t lose or destroy the fob.
In the mid- 1960’s my older brother bought a ‘46 Ford pickup. It had a flathead six and a four speed crashbox transmission. We did bodywork and paint. The wiring needed attention. I learned a lot from that truck (how to double clutch, for instance). My brother sold that truck when he married his first wife (of four). That truck functioned well. I miss that truck.
Crashbox lol. Never heard an unsynchronized gearbox called that before
Better than the wives.
A truck used to be the simplest and easiest vehicle to work on.
Back when men weren't grown ass women...
What Concerns Me Is The " Real Life Application Of The Electric Truck" Example Say a 17yr Old Takes This OFF ROAD now its Stuck in Water. Will The Batteries That Have Been Exposed or Even Sumerged in Water. Will it START, CATCH FIRE, OR EXPLODE????
The wizards “holy shit” when braking was hilarious!
"That looks like its gonna break" wizard has been a mechanic for too long
Love the number pad. Very handy when you don’t have your key or remote and you want to get something out of the car. Also, you can lock your keys etc. (hidden)in the car when you are at the beach etc. Very useful, don’t know why they all don’t do it.
Ford has the patent on the #pad. Only reason other mfgs can't do it.
@@858415 hell make it an alpha/numeric pad lol
@@repnatl Not just the design of the pad, but the use on a vehicle too.
Only one thing wrong with that keypad, Forgetting you don't have it anymore because you bought a different vehicle and casually lock your keys inside the vehicle like you have for the last few years every time you go fishing. Ask me how I know.
@@skoronesa1 the fact got away with that is telling of Fords influence on goberment. Like I get a patent for the actual keypad, but a patent for the use of any keypads to open a vehicle door is nuts
The number pad is very handy. Turn on the truck which starts the pro power package. Turn off the vehicle shut down timer. Leave your FOB inside the truck and lock it with the number pad. The truck stays started… The pro power package stays on. And you either need to use another FOB or the number pad to open the doors. So your truck is secured from theft while it’s running.
I love how ford put that ruler on the tailgate even though the one guy that will ever use that will probably never buy something he cant work on himself or bring to the local small town machinic to have fixed.
you guys are killing me as i look out in the driveway at my 5.4 ford. you make me want to cry.
Watched videos on 5.4. key is to change oil regularly. With out sluge buildup should last a long time. Problem is buying a used Ford truck, don't know maintenance background.
Yeah 5.4 isn’t a bad motor. Take care of your shit. People do t change their oil and are lazy with vehicles and then when the thing grenades it’s all of a sudden a piece of shit vehicle.
Perhaps Ford should have gone with a high-tech (NOT) pushrod V8 engine like Chevy! LOL 😀!
@@streetassasinGSR96 something wrong with people who pay $75k for a truck and can’t bother to change the oil. Low IQ behavior
@Michael Tinari That's what I've been saying for years. More than half the time, the vehicle would be fine for a long time if the owner just took care of it.
So Id be very curious to see what happens to all of the plugs/electrical connectors and all of the steel skid plates after a few years of Michigan winters. I cant image all of the road salt being very good for any of it.
Ok just I just read an article that a guy has a fully loaded platnium edition of this truck with the extended range batteries in it. He hooked his boat up to it which weighs about 7400 pounds. He started out with fully charged batteries and managed to drive 58 MILES before his batteries were dead. Who wants one of these now?
Not only the skid plates but all the electrical connections, Michigan salt is brutal on cars and Ford's don't do well as it is in them
you mean like the 2019 chevy trucks with the braided ground straps underneath that rot away in less than 3 years causing major electrical problems that dealers want to charge a fortune to fix (replacing electronics and sensors) instead of just putting a good ground cable on it?
@@tabbott429 exactly
Electrical comnections are usually water tight and if the manufactures would just gold plate the electrical connections they would not be susceptible to corrosion. It was an industry standard to gold plate the electrical connections on wires for air bags for many years IDK if it still is though.
I'm an EV tech working in Norway, the country with the most EVs per capita in the world, and salt isn't a problem at all.
All the connectors are well isolated/insulated, and we never see any corrosion in the high voltage lines.
It's much more of a problem on the low voltage lines, and an EV have just as many low voltage lines as any combustion car.
List of things that need to happen and some you mentioned: 5-600 mile range and quick charge battery. Battery that last 20 plus years and doesn't cost 45k to replace. Battery that can be recycled at end of life and reused. And Last but not least, not cost the same as a house! Do all of this and I would consider buying it, which is in about 15 to 20 years.
Two years later and Ford is halving the production rate of the F150 Lightning by 50% - this may not be the future after all.
I can't believe how wide open it is around the front of the battery. Just imagine driving through a wet slushy snowstorm and then it turns to sub zero temperatures. This thing will be a block of ice down there. That's insane!!!
Jesus i didnt even think about that. Without some kind of external heating system i think ur right.. itll all collect up in there
No more than any other car
@@tony_25or6to4 You don't math well
First I was surprised when they show lack of protection under the hood - wheel arcs literally open into the area formerly known as engine bay. Then I got shocked when I see all these high voltage connectors underneath.. Exposed to dirt and elements. This is indeed insane.
It can go thru deeper water than most regular fossil vehicles. Everything will be totally sealed off on wiring, sensors, battery , motors and all. You will not find that on a Fossil car.
I have not laughed at one of your videos like I just did in a long time. Flooring it when the Wizard was taking a drink of water was CLASSIC!
Lol😂 even if they preplanned the “wizard” taking the water bottle to the face… funny 😂
Cut the range in half if you're towing anything, and knock off another 30% in cold weather. Then cut a few percentage points each year as batteries age.
3:41 Don’t knock the number pad. It’s actually a great feature. I had a Fusion with it and I used it all the time. Handy when you just need to grab something out of the car and you don’t want to fiddle with the keys.
A lot easier using their touchless entry with the key in your pocket.
@@BubbaSimmz I had all that. My car now you don’t even need a key fob. Just your phone. But it was nice to be able to get in the car without any of that.
@@ksaboda what ride u in that has the keyless/phone entry? That’s cool.
@@BubbaSimmz Tesla Model 3.
I love the keypad and use it all the time. I can leave the key fob in the truck when I ride my bike or go camping.
This is actually fascinating. It’s so much more interesting to see the machinery behind these cars vs the the myth that these cars aren’t mechanical. That said, I can spot things that I like better about EV drivetrains and things I like better about ICE drive trains. All in all they’re all machines.
Exactly, no need to get defensive about a particular kind of technology. It all depends on the use case.
I just want to know how long I can run a fridge off all those batteries if I go camping for a few days?
@@ripvanrevs lol, just don’t over due it or you’ll be getting towed out of the woods
i'm from the south whats a ice drive train. lol what are both
@@ItsTheNada Ford lets you set a thing so it stops powering the fridge before you can't get to a charger
Take it muddin for a weekend...and then see how water proof components and modules are!
The 2nd AC system is used to cool/chill the batteries for better range, charging and performance.
Also longevity, the lifespan of lithium ion batteries is significantly better when they are cooled
@@griffin8062 they need to be heated as well, in cold weather your range drops and below freezing half the range will be gone due to heating the battery and yourself
@@javic1979 basically a very narrow optimal temperature range
I'm glad most EVs come with that system nowadays. I have a first-gen Leaf that doesn't have a battery cooling system, and it's lost a lot of range over the years. Part of that is just older battery tech, but a cooling system makes a world of difference. Batteries last a lot longer if they're kept within their preferred temperature range.
Also to help protect from thermal runaway and dangerous venting of the cells
its funny seeing hoovie struggle with the bed step as if doug hasn't explained how it works in every ford pickup video he's ever done
What I find hilarious is how GM mocked Ford for having a "man step" in the tailgate, and then a few years later released its own heavily over-engineered version that's about 10x more complicated and more expensive that'll almost certainly break 6 months after the warranty expires.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 Meanwhile Ram split the tailgate sideways 60-40 so you can just walk up and use the step that holds the license plate. I've seen one and only one. I wish barn doors on SUVs hadn't died.
No one watches doug, hes a nerd. Cant stand him
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 not to mention you'll dent the GM tailgate if using the step feature while you have a trailer ball in the hitch receiver.
Car gremlins: Tyler...Tyler...
Hoovie: Wiiizzzaaarrrddd! Wiiizzzaaarrrddd!
Weeezard was like “just another something to break” AT THE SAME TIME I SAID IT OUT LOUD LOL
More new vehicles are being totaled after a medium crash and I would suspect that EVs will raise that number.
6.0 Powerstroke is universally panned on but everyone forgets that it was lightyears more reliable than the 6.4 after it. A 6.0 that isn't beat on truly isn't very bad, it's just when you start to actually use it that they blow up.
"it's just when you start to actually use it that they blow up"
@@iwillbuycocainefromyou exactly. Meanwhile, the 6.4 blows up on the daily just by looking at it.
Showing "The Wizard" how much torque this thing had while he was preparing to take a drink was hilarious. I didn't expect that reaction.....nor did he!
As a young mechanic who only got into the industry a few years ago it has been crazy to watch how electric cars have gone from a niche little novelty to becoming the future of all vehicles. In my automotive schooling we barely went over hybrids let alone fully electric vehicles. It breaks my heart because I am not passionate at all about electric vehicles especially being someone that only buys and drives manual cars. To me the less driver assist the more enjoyable the driving experience is. I really wish I was born earlier because all of my favorite cars are from the 90s and are rare now and fetch ridiculous prices online these days and the fact that you can't ever buy cars like that again in the future isn't helping. I either need to get into a dealer so I can be prepped and ready for the electric car shift or get into a specialty Indy shop that will continue to work on ICE vehicles like we have now with classic car restoration shops. Or maybe just switch careers. I wonder how it's going to affect the industry with the whole flat rate pay scale since there will be less moving parts there will be less jobs to go around. For the first time in a long time we might see mechanic Jobs become a saturated market instead of in high demand. They'll become hard to get instead of mechanics being hard to find.
This is a really interesting take. I 100% agree with you on everything you said! What this also means though is if you specialize in ICE engines you will have all the business you could ever want. I personally think there’s a huge disconnect between what politicians think we need and what people will actually spend their hard-earned money on. Trust me, there will always be a market for car enthusiasts who will always pay any amount of money to have work done on their V8 engine. Look at sports cars….as turbocharged small engines and electric motors take over everything, you’ll see V8 and V10 engines become more and more valuable. Just like manuals are more and more valuable. Look at Ferraris. If you want a used Ferrari with a gated manual transmission, that car will cost you almost double what a paddle shift will cost you.
Maintenance is low but repairs are a problem. High voltage requires time to make the unit safe to work on. Expose the inside of that battery pack to oxygen and all hell ignites. Lithium is NOT the best element to use.
Just because the rich people running car companys and politicians say it's the future doesn't mean there right... or that is has to be..... gas cars will be relevant for as long as any of us will live. The majority of the population will never be able to afford an ev.. if you really are a car mechanic and car enthusiasts don't be such a spineless bitch. Fight for the type of cars you love!
Change your profession. It's not too late.
Understand this: The EV is a dead end technology. The essential chemistry and technology has not, can not and will not change. You may deny reality but reality will not deny you.
Wizard may retire, but he will forever be in our hearts a mechanic.
Also I love the keypad. it's great when you go out on a boat or jet ski. You throw the keys in the console so they don't end up at the bottom of the ocean.
Yea, i love the keypad as well.
Works well for many purposes of needing to lock keys in your car🤙
or a nude beach ⛱
That one feature on Fords I do like and use.
Ford is the only company that still puts them on their vehicles and when I ordered my Maverick, I made sure I speced it out with the trim level that would include the pad on the door. I’ve always thought it was a great idea. Nissan used to do it in the 90’s, my daughters first car was a 93 Maxima that had the feature.
@Newcious Shut up
I have a 5.4 2 valve and its been great. 24yrs still going strong.
I wanted the lightning so bad but I knew I needed to wait for them to iron out the details.
About 10 years wait from what I ve seen.
What an incredible honor to be fired by Elon Musk himself lol
What I like about EV’s is that they cost half as much to produce but twice as much to buy.
And you can't drive as far and you have to wait forever to charge it.
Everyones saying "it's going that way whether we like it or not"
Well, I guess I'm committing suicide because I'm done. I'd rather not be in this shithole of a disaster no one wants but everyone accepts like the bunch of low IQ individuals they truely are
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But don't forget the added benefit of battery replacement and disposal, shortened ranges when using the A/C, towing, fully loaded...
Yes if you’re Elon
@@asherdie ...Tesla batteries after 10 years are still going strong with less than 10% range loss, & we can expect future batteries to do even better. Automotive lithium batteries will all be recycled - doing so is far cheaper than mining & refining the materials from scratch. Range loss when towing, etc is inevitable. These losses apply to ICE vehicles as well, but few of us notice because gasoline engines are so inefficient by comparison to electric drives.
3:48 honestly though, I love the number pad. its like 90% of the reason why I want another ford. haha. I forget my keys *ALL* the time
Now I know how to charge my phone in a emergency I’ll just look for a ford lightning hahaha
Imagine repair expenses on that! What if the battery fails for example. Don’t know about the lightning but I heard the Tesla costs $20,000 to replace the battery. And what about when the day comes to put the truck “out to pasture”? Because of those rechargeable lithium batteries they would be considered hazmat right? So there would have to be specialized disposal methods for them. Thank god I live in a state where the wokies aren’t in control and pushing their “eco” agenda. I’ll happily keep my gas burner. Also, imagine taking a family vacation in an EV. Can’t just go anywhere you want… you have to plan your stops around where there is a nearby charging station.
We are not eliminating emissions we are exporting them to other countries. When these batteries are no longer good we will send them to another country where they will be buried & forgotten till they become an environmental issue.
Most batteries are 2/3 the cost or more of the vehicle
Most of the batteries are recycled not thrown away. After 108K miles my batteries are still going well.
The keypad is the best thing ford ever did. I always have a spare key in my truck hidden so i wont strand myself if i do loose my key. The last two buttons pushed together lock the doors and i have mine programmed to unlock all doors always
I've always been a fan of them, especially when boating. You can squirrel the keys away somewhere safe in the car/truck and lock it and not worry about the "Plunk" noise they make when they go for a swim as you go from dock to bow/stern. Would have loved the Lincoln red led style hidden typically on a glossy section of the B pillar somewhere on my '14 Mustang (although there really isn't an elegant spot to put them on all the last of the S197, unless they could do it in the leading edge of quarter window. I'd imagine It'd just put the square box on the door like an afterthought.) Ford does offer a stick on, 3m tape numpad for nearly all their vehicles ... great for those that really need it, but outside a work truck it'd have to be something you really wanted.
put your keys on the inside dish of one of your wheels, done, finished no problem and no one will find them.
@@paddington1670 I will 😈
Nah the Jaguar/Land Rover activity key beats that number pad hands down. Just swipe the bootlid with the bracelet and you’re in. Can keeps keys in the car which de-activate when the activity key is used. So you can go swim or whatever.
I ordered my 2022 traverse with a keypad. I’m a ford guy but had gm credit due to another car I had that they would buy me a car of similar msrp. Apparently gm has the keypad as an option but no one gets it lol
Our friends had one. I'll say " had" as after driving it home one night they parked it and went in the house. About 15 minutes they noticed when looking outside it was on fire. Luckily, the fire department was less than a half mile away but it took a while to put out as these things with their lithium batteries burn super hot! Not like a regular car fire.. They lost their vehicle and damage to one side of the house was very extensive. I think these things will be great until they're not. Especially as our electrical grids are not reliable enough and with global warming we are going to encounter more and more weather related electrical issues .
The issue with electric vehicles is that they are disposable. I can drive a diesel truck 400k+ miles over 30+ years and it'll still go strong with very minimal repairs. If any current evs are on the road 10 years from now without many 10s of thousands being spent on them I'd be surprised.
I wonder what the under side of that thing will look like after a couple of years in a salt environment.
Like any other truck.
The wiring will have an issue.
Pretty sure this truck was rushed through the design process in order to "add momentum" to the push for EV's from major auto manufacters. In reality it isn't close to good technology, yet. The range is 2/3 of what you'd expect in less than optimum conditions and less if you are towing. My guess is that lightnings will be collecters items in the future, mainly for the uniqueness of the vehicle and not because it was ultimately a successful pickup truck design.
Like a double A battery you left in a drawer for 10 years...
Also that battery is not segmented so when it fails.. WHEN, not IF... its going to be a fortune to replace.
I found it hilarious that from the 4th minute to the 9th minute was just like me working on my 20 year old Buick. "Well, there's some bolts. What do you think that does?" Yep, that's me spot on!
"It seems like that is something waiting to break." Same thing I see when I look at people moving😢.
If you are terrified, take an ice apart, that's terrifying.
That is way less terrifying to me, but I work on electrical from time to time.
It's funny how people really hate change yet change has made our lives better. Funny thing.
I know this "show" isn't scripted but I love when they plan stuff out in advance, I burst out laughing when Wizard starts drinking water right as Hoovie is taking a turn slowly, I saw it coming a mile away but it was even better than I thought it would be.
I didn't know this was a show...LOL
Those are the bits I like the least. We don't need the fake stuff.
@@FrietjeOorlog I love how you 2 think these are actors in a TV show... LOL
HOOVIE Fuchs
@@VL1975 its a little scripted.
I look forward to the Electric Magic Mike years of Hoovies Garage. He seems to have a fine personality.
For Ferraris,Lambos and these kind of cars Mike is the better mechanic anyway Wizard just pretend for the show that he knows all about them
@@ulflei wizard used to work on them before he had any other mechanics
@@esingh7933 He had a small shop and worked mostly on "bread and butter" cars a lot on trucks
@@ulflei he messed up at Tesla and messed up hoovies Mercedes supercar. I don't think he's that good.
@@alexklein455 Not to forget the butcher job on the Lamborghini drilling a hole in the transmission tunnel
I’m not a “car guy” and I do not watch car related channels on RUclips- not sure how the algorithm sent me here but I have been enjoying the videos.
I’m probably going to buy the lightning specifically for the ruler on the tailgate.
Nice :D
What will this be like in 20 years... Possibly scrapped when someone gets an estimate for the replacement high voltage battery.
I have been to the USA and have experience just how hard it is to get about without a car. With this in mind I can see a future where there will be a greater divide because cost of ownership or leasing of a car will escalate and a lack of affordable used cars with batteries having viable remaining life.
The way of the future because it's working out so well in California right now 😭😭
Yeah, I mean they can't charge during peak time during a heatwave for 4 hours at night for a couple of days. Oh, the humanity... lets just cancel EV's right now....
Imagine the bottom of that truck in about 5 years in the rust belt 😉
What a great point Jason. Remember; everything is nice when it's new.
How well will the bottom of the exposed batteries hold up or the exposed electric motors are major concerns of mine.
@@jasoncrandall73 being an auto mechanic for 50 years I agree with you
@@jasoncrandall73 yeah I mean you can get 20 years out of a frame in the rust belt it's the thin body panels that get speed holes. That skid plate should last till the battery is junk and the truck is a mechanical write off. I don't like that all that fancy shit under the frunk and under the skid plate that is going to get salt in it.
Won't last 5 years
Don’t worry about the coolant. It’s lifetime coolant. So by definition it will last until warranty and then when the coolant leaks you have reached the life of the vehicle and you throw the whole thing away.
The great news is, you'll never have to worry about a crackhead stealing your catalytic converters!
Thank you and thank you some more for taking it apart. No Other channel has given such a great in depth and detailed review.
Hoovie and Wizard are the best.
You can watch one of these taken apart on “Munro Live” YT channel and get Sandy Munro’s analysis.
Thank you for tearing it apart for all the right reasons 🙏
My 3 valve 5.4 has 260k without any engine problems at all. I pull a stock trailer with 4 horses, a dump trailer maxed out at 14k, and I also plow snow with it. I heard the cam phaser issue happens to people who dont change their oil but I guess I'm no expert on that.
What I know for sure is this electric pickup would be worthless to anyone who uses a pickup for what they are intended for like I do.
It’s all terrifying to someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing. As a Ford dealer, we’re required to make a million dollar investment in training and facility upgrades to go green.
“I’m a Ford 5.4, watch me drop a cam phaser!” 😂😂😂
The tailgate step seems silly UNTIL the first time you use it… then it’s amazing! (It’s an option on the gas trucks too.)
I have the old step bumper and I love that. they blended the steps in with the design of the truck.
Hoovie nailed it tho on us boomers with bad knees. My neighbour's wife gets a kick out of watching me get in and out of the bed of my pickup. I've learned to just grab my 3' step ladder now "awww that's no fun" lol.
People can't be that lazy that they can't lift up their tail gate by hand. When the motor fails, does it make it harder to do it manually?
Had it on my 2012 FX2. Was cool. Wouldn't specifically select it on a build sheet, though. I liked GM's built in bumper step. No moving parts to fail until the bumper rusts through
I wish my Ranger had the step. My Silverado had the bumper steps which was awesome. Getting up into the bed of the Ranger isn't as easy as it used to be and I'm only in my 30s.
To quote Dr Jones, "It's not years, it's the mileage."
Waiting for someone to swap a 5.4 into a Lightning lol
Sounds like a rich rebuild idea
The coolers on electric cars are for the batteries.
In order to fast charge and fast discharge lithium batteries, they have to be thermally managed to prevent thermal runaway and sinking the Felicity Ace.
The "frunk" is a great idea. That way you have somewhere to sleep when (not if) you Ford leaves you stranded.
Opinion: The good: Rear end ready for sustaining heavy loads. The bad: I hope all those plastic panels, tubs, access flaps, etc. are fiber reinforced. Otherwise they are WAY too thin. The steel panels below and touching the battery are going to be fun to "unbend or throw out" at the body shop. The tail gate is a joke. Are YOU going to drape several hundred pounds of rebar on it to go to the work site? Inside the bed power outlets etc. need a steel access hatch and need to be higher if the bed will be half filled with gravel. Inside, touch screens are stupid. They make you take your eyes off the road to poke at the proper part of the screen. Interesting to see what the safety crumple zone in the front is hiding, hopefully nothing at all. Lastly, resale value will be of course close to $0.
Nobody is talking about the resources that it takes to produce all the batteries. Nor the resources it takes to charge them. I can't imagine how much waste there is converting one form of energy into another.
Watching this has me torn between my natural inclination to tear stuff apart to see how it works and crippling fear of modern technology and the rise of the machines. Still a great video, and much more interesting than most F150 lightning videos out right now. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
They just look so cheap. They will be throw aways like everything else in this country.
Either Wizard is the most chill dude ever.......or him spilling his water on himself was done for effect. Either way still funny😂😂😂😂
Just wait till you get a mouse house amongst all those lovely cables, and any other critter that wants to get out of the cold lol
It's going to seriously interesting how those batteries hold up in crashes...
Boom roast the occupants
Steven Umphlett Likely as well as a full gasoline tank.
@@wysetech2000 not quite, lithium ion batteries are far less stable in terms of spontaneous combustion with heat cycling than petroleum/diesel.
@@wysetech2000 you have seen what happens when a phone battery is pierced it starts to spew toxic gas as it gets hotter than it will explode
Just think if one of these get hit by a train and what kind of fireball it could be?
Electric vehicles really do have some zip. I took an Uber last week and the guy showed up in a Tesla Model X. He demonstrated the 0 to 45 acceleration. I was plastered to the seatback like one of those pictures of astronauts training in a centrifuge. It's pretty darn cool.
Electric motors have great low-end torque so acceleration can be very good even on a very overweight (battery-laden) old car converted to electric.
Strange thing is why people are so fascinated with fast acceleration? What about 0-60 in 0.00001 sec? What a thrill ride as your flesh rips from your bones! I am perfectly happy with acceleration that allows me to merge into highway. That's it.
@@springer-qb4dv because most of us on this channel are car guys and great performance is part of the experience silly.
@@springer-qb4dv depends on how fast the highway is going ...