i've had a lot of issues with chinas breaking, mostly ones with holes in them, but i've had a zildjian oriental 16" for a could years now and its holding up really nicely
Don’t get a holy china bro, any cymbal with holes in it is not as strong and will just start cracking, especially if you hit hard like me. With that being said I did have a 15” aaxtreme China and lasted me about a year ( most of what I play is metal breakdowns basically) before she started cracking and now I made it into a stack with my cracked 8” aax aero splash. I’ve had a new aaxtreme 19” China and its lasted 2 years so far and she’s still going strong so maybe go for a bigger size if you hit hard like me. I don’t hit my China hard anymore tho cause I’m scared to break that shit again😂 learn from my mistakes and don’t get too carried away on the breakdowns or your China will be doing the breaking lol
I have the 15", 17" and 19" AAXtreme chinas from Sabian. All are great. The AA holy's are intriguing, but I must not play enough metal to need them. The Xtremes have enough cut and volume for my needs. Thanks for the comparison.
Definitely the holy china. It's soooo cutting. The xtreme is abit more traditional china sound, but still powerful and loud. But the holy china is just the ultimate in aggressive china sound.
Great review! Thanks for taking the time to do this. Have a Zildjian 19 Z3 Ultra-Hammered China and it’s my favorite ever. If you ever wanna try a Zildjian, give this one a shot.
No sweat. I did consider switching back zildjians after the ultra hammered came out as it was really good to my ear. Unfortunately I have a bad habit of getting through Zildjians far too easily. 😅
Both still in one piece amazingly. That's a long time now. I think the holy china having holes in it somehow makes it more durable. I think it flexes better.
I've been drumming for about 16 years now, like you said, good through every brand and series of metal cymbals. I agree that those holy chinas are 100% basically the best chinas, and also about what you said about this rudes. Personally, I've made the switch to all aax x plosions with x celerator hats and for the last 1.5 YEARS, not a single cymbal from the aax line has broken. The rudes are good, but personally i love the warmth and richness of those aax's
100% agree. For me explosions are perfect for sound. But also durability. I broke AA quick for some reason, but not aaxplosion. Rudes are great and durable but not that musical
Cheers for the review! Great that you mentioned Thomas Hake... That's what intrigued me about Sabian. Bonus that you've a familiar local accent too! I'm a Black Isle metalhead drummer now living in Sweden. All the best! Neil Grant
@@heavydrumsinc4816 Hi Andrew, I absolutely remember you. I think you lived near Tore and I remember you as being a very solid drummer. What a cool coincidence and great to hear you stayed Metal!!.🤘
That's correct, Tore. I actually saw a snippet of you on the news a few weeks back!! Nice work. I've been a busy metalhead since school. You might like my last band,Slioch, Scottish themed metal. Are you in a metal band just now? I've pretty much retired at this point.
@@heavydrumsinc4816 Slioch sound nice and heavy! Congratulations. I like how you incorporate Scottish folklore into it and you certainly have a lot of material! Besides my sport anthems, I joined an established Swedish doom metal band called "Dun Ringill" just 6 months ago, so we are now working on album#3 (my first with them). If you're looking for a good example of my drumming, then I'd probably point you to the album "Eklectric" by End Of Level Boss (a London band i was a member of a few years back). 2 kids now...but the metal never stops and I've no plans to retire. 😉
I just consumed "thee absurd". Excellent work man, I particularly enjoyed the hi hat work in the mid section. That was like mastodon and Soundgarden supergroup!!
Personally, I ain’t to keen on the holy china but the over tones on that extreme is savage!! Probably the best China I think Iv ever heard! Thank you for this, I’m going buying on now!! Hahaha
I've got the 17" Holy China and a 19" Paragon china. Match made in heaven. The Paragon on my right and has a great wash for riding on, then the Holy on my left for more accent hits and texture 'cos its got a more trashy quality than the Paragon. I can also ride on that open handed if I want and both sound awesome.
Try out a 21" Zildjian A Ultra Hammered China if you're not exclusively considering only Sabian cymbals. Absolutely INSANE! I wish I bought one sooner. I always steered clear of any of the Z crashes and China's but this cymbal surprised me. The AA Holy China and Paragon will probably be my first Sabian Chinas. I just got a 22" HH Power Bell Ride which is amazing. I can't have only one Sabian can I?
I did try an a ultra hammered. Very nice, but the holy China was perfect for me. Plus I've always got through zildjian china's very fast. I had a z custom China about 15 years ago, it literally lasted hours 😪
@@heavydrumsinc4816 I believe the Z Chinas were so thick with little flex they tended to break under heavy playing. I was always told I was a heavy hitter but I never broke a China. I grew up playing an A 20" Low China Boy and a 19" K China Boy with a 14" Oriental Trash. Broke LOTS of 2B and heavier sticks though. I did break an A Custom Crash and an A Medium Crash at the bell. I still feel guilty to this day about ruining those cymbals.
I have the Meinl MB10 17" awesome and lasted me years. Still in mint condition.. but just not thrashy enough for what sound i like now.. a china should be big and thin. Or i should just rather get a stack. The holy china does seem a bit more thrashy and loud. Thanx
@@heavydrumsinc4816 the holy china is advertised as very loud but I dont find my 17 to be very loud. My 20" wuhan, however is the most aggressive sound on earth.
Idk if it's just the mic you're using, but the initial opening up of these cymbals sound like gunshots. If that's what it sounds like in person for you, maybe the reason they break so often for you is because you slam them.
For China's try Wuhan!!!! I like all my Cymbals the same brand name also! I'm a Paiste guy,but Wuhan does China's really, plus they are durable and cheap money!
I have tried Wuhan way back. I remember going through one in one night. It just fell to bits. Had two never had them again. Pity as it sounded excellent
Dude if you are breaking cymbals that fast you either have your cymbals clamped down too tight or you need to calm down. Ive had my oriental China for a decade maybe more.
Pro drummers get through cymbals quick too. Plus it depends how many hours your putting on them. I've got some cymbals I've had for 15 years , but there's a reason for that. Plus nowhere in the review did I mention all cymbals. Just certain models and types go relatively quickly.
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i've had a lot of issues with chinas breaking, mostly ones with holes in them, but i've had a zildjian oriental 16" for a could years now and its holding up really nicely
What’s a good China for metal breakdowns? I want a good sounding one
Either of these will fit the bill.
Don’t get a holy china bro, any cymbal with holes in it is not as strong and will just start cracking, especially if you hit hard like me. With that being said I did have a 15” aaxtreme China and lasted me about a year ( most of what I play is metal breakdowns basically) before she started cracking and now I made it into a stack with my cracked 8” aax aero splash. I’ve had a new aaxtreme 19” China and its lasted 2 years so far and she’s still going strong so maybe go for a bigger size if you hit hard like me. I don’t hit my China hard anymore tho cause I’m scared to break that shit again😂 learn from my mistakes and don’t get too carried away on the breakdowns or your China will be doing the breaking lol
I read "mental breakdowns". A good sounding one of those would be cool
@@rolllimbo973 if your breaking cymbals like that man, your probably using a bad technique
I have the 15", 17" and 19" AAXtreme chinas from Sabian. All are great. The AA holy's are intriguing, but I must not play enough metal to need them. The Xtremes have enough cut and volume for my needs. Thanks for the comparison.
Which of the two chinas in this size would you say is higher in pitch?
Definitely the holy china. It's soooo cutting. The xtreme is abit more traditional china sound, but still powerful and loud. But the holy china is just the ultimate in aggressive china sound.
Damn!!! They're both so good, I just ordered the 21" AA holy china
I favour the holy china. It's a unique sound thats unbeatable for volume. Good choice!!
Sounds great, but cracks quickly in the holes. I learned that lesson the hard way. Just fair warning.
@@STEELFACEJOINTHEFAMILYTODAY Ive been lucky so far, no cracks yet
18 odd months in and its still in one piece! It's proving pretty durable. Now I've said that it'll go ha ha
Great review! Thanks for taking the time to do this. Have a Zildjian 19 Z3 Ultra-Hammered China and it’s my favorite ever. If you ever wanna try a Zildjian, give this one a shot.
No sweat.
I did consider switching back zildjians after the ultra hammered came out as it was really good to my ear.
Unfortunately I have a bad habit of getting through Zildjians far too easily. 😅
How are they holding up as of now? Any cracks?
Both still in one piece amazingly. That's a long time now. I think the holy china having holes in it somehow makes it more durable. I think it flexes better.
What one is better for slam metal?
That would be personal preference
Wuhan or bust cheap and shitty just like slam
I've been drumming for about 16 years now, like you said, good through every brand and series of metal cymbals.
I agree that those holy chinas are 100% basically the best chinas, and also about what you said about this rudes.
Personally, I've made the switch to all aax x plosions with x celerator hats and for the last 1.5 YEARS, not a single cymbal from the aax line has broken.
The rudes are good, but personally i love the warmth and richness of those aax's
100% agree. For me explosions are perfect for sound. But also durability. I broke AA quick for some reason, but not aaxplosion.
Rudes are great and durable but not that musical
Whats size is Aaxtreme, 19" too?
Yes 19" the best size for any cymbal ha ha
which one has highest pitch?
Holy china, no question
@@heavydrumsinc4816 thanks!
Cheers for the review! Great that you mentioned Thomas Hake... That's what intrigued me about Sabian. Bonus that you've a familiar local accent too! I'm a Black Isle metalhead drummer now living in Sweden. All the best! Neil Grant
Hi Neil. It's me....Andy Nisbet, I was a year or two below you at school actually.
What a coincidence this is.
@@heavydrumsinc4816 Hi Andrew, I absolutely remember you. I think you lived near Tore and I remember you as being a very solid drummer. What a cool coincidence and great to hear you stayed Metal!!.🤘
That's correct, Tore.
I actually saw a snippet of you on the news a few weeks back!! Nice work.
I've been a busy metalhead since school.
You might like my last band,Slioch, Scottish themed metal.
Are you in a metal band just now?
I've pretty much retired at this point.
@@heavydrumsinc4816 Slioch sound nice and heavy! Congratulations. I like how you incorporate Scottish folklore into it and you certainly have a lot of material!
Besides my sport anthems, I joined an established Swedish doom metal band called "Dun Ringill" just 6 months ago, so we are now working on album#3 (my first with them).
If you're looking for a good example of my drumming, then I'd probably point you to the album "Eklectric" by End Of Level Boss (a London band i was a member of a few years back). 2 kids now...but the metal never stops and I've no plans to retire. 😉
I just consumed "thee absurd". Excellent work man, I particularly enjoyed the hi hat work in the mid section.
That was like mastodon and Soundgarden supergroup!!
Personally, I ain’t to keen on the holy china but the over tones on that extreme is savage!! Probably the best China I think Iv ever heard! Thank you for this, I’m going buying on now!! Hahaha
I've got the 17" Holy China and a 19" Paragon china. Match made in heaven. The Paragon on my right and has a great wash for riding on, then the Holy on my left for more accent hits and texture 'cos its got a more trashy quality than the Paragon. I can also ride on that open handed if I want and both sound awesome.
Dude. These Chinas are insane!
Both excellent and best I've tried.
Try out a 21" Zildjian A Ultra Hammered China if you're not exclusively considering only Sabian cymbals. Absolutely INSANE! I wish I bought one sooner. I always steered clear of any of the Z crashes and China's but this cymbal surprised me. The AA Holy China and Paragon will probably be my first Sabian Chinas. I just got a 22" HH Power Bell Ride which is amazing. I can't have only one Sabian can I?
I did try an a ultra hammered. Very nice, but the holy China was perfect for me.
Plus I've always got through zildjian china's very fast.
I had a z custom China about 15 years ago, it literally lasted hours 😪
@@heavydrumsinc4816 I believe the Z Chinas were so thick with little flex they tended to break under heavy playing. I was always told I was a heavy hitter but I never broke a China. I grew up playing an A 20" Low China Boy and a 19" K China Boy with a 14" Oriental Trash. Broke LOTS of 2B and heavier sticks though. I did break an A Custom Crash and an A Medium Crash at the bell. I still feel guilty to this day about ruining those cymbals.
I have the Meinl MB10 17" awesome and lasted me years. Still in mint condition.. but just not thrashy enough for what sound i like now.. a china should be big and thin. Or i should just rather get a stack. The holy china does seem a bit more thrashy and loud. Thanx
Just imagine a 24" holy china
Ha ha, that would an absolute weapon. Too loud even for me ha ha
@@heavydrumsinc4816 the holy china is advertised as very loud but I dont find my 17 to be very loud. My 20" wuhan, however is the most aggressive sound on earth.
@@iloveNgany that's good to know. I wonder how much louder the 19" holy china is.
Had the Aaxtreme...very good but too loud.
Yeah it depends what you're using it for. Heavy metal only pretty much I'd say. The holy is even louder. Love both
AAX is more musical sounding but nevertheless I'd like to have both!
Idk if it's just the mic you're using, but the initial opening up of these cymbals sound like gunshots. If that's what it sounds like in person for you, maybe the reason they break so often for you is because you slam them.
Yeah it's just the mic. I wasnt hitting them hard. Also both are still in one piece. 2.5 years on holy china, 3 years on xtreme.
For China's try Wuhan!!!! I like all my Cymbals the same brand name also! I'm a Paiste guy,but Wuhan does China's really, plus they are durable and cheap money!
I have tried Wuhan way back. I remember going through one in one night. It just fell to bits. Had two never had them again. Pity as it sounded excellent
I want them both 😭😭
I've always used wuhan for China cymbals. Like the trash sound to it. Plus it's affordable
I would say 90% of drummers have an ole trusty wuhan laying around lol
another good china its the sabian paragon
I've heard that. I've never tried one
Dude if you are breaking cymbals that fast you either have your cymbals clamped down too tight or you need to calm down. Ive had my oriental China for a decade maybe more.
Pro drummers get through cymbals quick too. Plus it depends how many hours your putting on them.
I've got some cymbals I've had for 15 years , but there's a reason for that.
Plus nowhere in the review did I mention all cymbals. Just certain models and types go relatively quickly.
Ones not enough and the other is too much..
shittt bro my ears
I know 😂😂😂
I just dont like Sabian.........
But they like you!!
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why?
@@heavydrumsinc4816 😅
Don’t say you don’t like SABIAN!!!