@@philhartley7551 So, do I and agree. I think the OP had to make a video and had to find “something” to focus on. They provide excellent view with NO blind spots, the lens has yet to get dirty, less drag, no wind noise, feel very solid and can fold backwards and forwards if bumped and I think look very good from a style perspective.
Psst… under the trunk is another space… you should’ve looked further. Most reviewers miss this, it’s incredible. Also underneath the frunk is more space.
Where I live it was -28 degrees Fahrenheit this morning. My neighbor, who owns two Teslas, came out dressed like a Arctic explorer. He doesn't have the ability to charge at work and if he uses the heat enough for comfort he doesn't have the range to do his work roundtrip. I have a similar commute in a ICE vehicle. Just start it , turn on the heated seats and steering wheel, and drive it a few minutes and I can use all the heat I want.
I'm old enough to know what a mile is (I have to, I drive a 1958 Morris Minor 1000!) and I can easily convert km into miles and vice versa. When reviewing EVs , however, it would probably be helpful for most people living outside the UK, if you could state range figures in both kilometres and miles. Other than that, your review is brilliant! - I think the battery technology in EVs still has along way to go before I'd ever consider making the switch to electric (although we may all be forced to adopt EVs, eventually). For the time being, however, I think I'll be happily relying on the 948cc's of raw internal combustion power in my Morrie to get me about town.
One of my trucking friends said identical issue with the Merc. Dark, wet along with headlights, also sunshine on a wet road behind you, the screens can’t take the glare.
That's interesting to hear. The reversing camera on my Mercedes has excellent night vision. It's an absolute godsend at night because the rear privacy glass makes the rear view mirror virtually unusable.
As an Etron launch edition owner I have to say you have absolutely nailed it in this review - basically an awsome car in every respect EXCEPT terribly dissapointing range and pointless tech on the door mirrors. You basically have to own an ICE car as an alternative for longer journeys (luckily my wifes 4.2 V8 Cayenne does nicely for these LOL)
Didn’t get chance to watch entire video last night, 100% agree, whilst electric looks like it will be the future for now but as its a 250mile round trip to my parents I really need a car with a range of 300+ miles and also a car that doesnt cost £100k
The gripe I’ve got isn’t purely the range, it’s the charging time. We used to drive to the alps as a family - we used to take our 4.0 litre petrol jeep Cherokee. 20 mpg on a good day, 15mpg if you were lucky at 80 mph fully loaded with a roof box. I think on one tank aiming for an early ferry we saw 12mpg - about 200 miles brimmed to fumes. Thing is, when we came off the ferry at 10pm English time, there’s no way you want to have to spend 30-4t minutes charging the thing up - you just want to stop, squirt the go-go juice in in and pay in less than 5 minutes and head home for a pint of hogs back best and a kip. Plus this three petrol stops which accounted for 30 minutes of the journey through France - they’d add another 90-120 minutes to the journey. So to catch that ferry, we’d have missed an hour and a half of skiing in the most glorious powder. So yep, therell be an a6 all road in our barn for the road trips for years to come!
I think you were very diplomatic about the charging infrastructure in this country Pete, I've heard horror stories especially about the motorway charging issues, I believe they are run by Ecotricity and by all accounts are at times pretty grim. You are right about the e-tron range though, who on earth would spend over 80k on a car with a range of 185 miles, it doesn't make sense when you can buy a Tesla for much less with a 100 mile longer range. I'm afraid I won't even consider an EV for at least another three years.
I have an excellent rear view camera on my e-golf. But 30yrs of using my mirrors is far more superior than trying to use a rear view camera. It's only good to see how close you are to a wall of high kerb at your rear.
It’s just too bloody big!! All the tech in the world cant hide the fact it is a monster of a car which will require huge batteries and big electric motors. Defies the whole point of the “green brief”. Beautifully made as always but.... well not for me (I’ll never bloody afford one anyway). Great review as always; thank you 🙏
Incredibly eloquent and accurate assessment of current charging infrastructure. Basically there are two segments to the market. Tesla, where if you have one of their cars you never ever have to worry about range or lack of charging, and the rest. However, for many of us we could count on one hand the number of 300 mile one day road trips were do. I charge our model 3 to circa 150 miles range once a week. That is all we need. Times are changing and our perceptions and expectations need to align with them. J
Ive had my e tron 55 for 1.5 years now, fully specced with normal side mirrors. Truely great car. I drive in norway where it can get very cold and usually lots of snow. It just digs through everything. Nightvision and matrix leds are so good when driving in very dark areas, and i have never had range anxiety. We are very fortunate with charging infrastructure here in Norway. There are free public chargers everywhere, so even if you dont have a home charger you can get a full charge in ~8 hours. The 150kw+ network is also very good, no matter where you drive, there will be fast chargers. Ice cars are completely priced out here too, cars usually cost 2-3 times more here than anywhere else. So ev ownership is a no-brainer
Having driven a few of these e-tron's now, I can completely agree with your view on the camera wing mirrors. Personally, I think they're a complete waste of money, and for reverse parking I found them very difficult to judge proximity to anything really. Well done for pointing it out to all your viewers, I think the idea should be dropped really, or maybe we could have a pop-up mirror just for reversing? Who knows.
My biggest challenge with electric is the lack of noise. When they make an electric that pops popcorn it will win me. I know that I will have to adapt to electric somehow but I’m hoping to have something for me by the time I do. Big hugs to all petrolped community
A couple of years ago I toured the Highlands and Islands in a BMW Mini One. Memorable moments included sailing past Tesla’s who were clearly creeping around saving power whilst they tried to find a charge point. Now they had 250+ miles range. I saw a couple crawl into The Green Welly at Tyndrum. Can you imagine touring the Highlands in this Audi? You would need to wear a man nappy to even contemplate it😂 A great feature BTW.
The other thing that no one mentions on range is that you will not drive 175m on a charge, you will start getting warnings at about 145 miles and will probably stop at 155 ish. As you state that is not enough!
Hi Peddlers, great vid & review! I completely agree with your view that a range of 180miles will put a lot of people off. We seriously considered the original e-tron, but the test drive car showed a range of just 170 miles and we couldn’t stop thinking, £70k+ for a car that will barely do 2hrs on motorway before we’d need to stop and charge!
As always an honest review of the car in question. That is the biggest problem for me with ev at the moment, range. I do 140 miles round trip to and from work, and for the amount of money this thing costs it is just not there for yet.
If you can charge at home, you might just be the perfect EV candidate! Most modern EVs have no problem with 140 miles even in the coldest weather. If you really drive over 30k miles per year you will save thousands per year in fuel costs and enjoy a "full tank" every morning. Of course, this will depend greatly on your local energy and gas rates.
Well Peter, it might be the EV to buy at the moment but I’m not yet sold on the whole idea...we are just not ready and the range on that car is hopeless...how can you pay £89,000 and yet be unable to drive more than 70/80 miles away from home so for me, my day out in Sidmouth with range anxiety taunting me all the way home. I can’t buy that. Then heating...today was -2C with a biting wind...I was on a farm this morning and my fingers were freezing whilst taking some pictures...but my faithful tDiscovery Sport welcomed me with warm heated seats, heated windscreen, a powerful heater and that luxury beyond words, a heated steering wheel...and 42mpg to help me on my way. Now the D/Sport is outlawed in a few years time BUT it does what i and everybody else wants...EV’s are a long way off that ability. The wing mirrors....a crazy idea like too many touch screens...such technology has a place but not in the act of controlling a car....manoeuvring maybe but driving, no thank you..just ridiculous and unsafe...plus mighty tempting for any passing yob to snap off for fun and replacements?...£2000 each I would guess plus paintwork! The Audi is very good.....but it needs all those improvements you describe...sort that and then we are able to think again! Stay safe...wear gloves...delay the Tesla!! 🥶🥶😨😱😱😃😃😃😃😃Richard.
Great insight to the world of electric cars. Personally I have an hybrid which is obviously the best of both, it’s going to be a sorry sight when we are all fully electric.
Just imagine going to a forecourt to charge your car on your way home from a long journey to find it’s full of cars being charged, you’d be in for a long day indeed.
Really enjoyed what is a very objective and honest view. I had the e-tron for a few days & couldn’t agree more. Fantastic in many ways, a couple of key drawbacks though. Best succinct review I’ve seen on this- thanks Pete.
Wife's first comment was, what's happened to the mirrors, they look like they have been knocked off! I wouldn't spec them personally. But I agree with you, range is the big issue there! Great honest review mate
Great video, winter time with plenty of cold weather, how does the heaters cope, obviously electric therfore power usage. I have heard from artic drivers with cameras, same issues in wet and dark.
I do around 25,000 miles a year, a mix between local travel and regular 250-300 miles a day longer journeys. I'll be interested to see your 1,000 miles in 3 weeks (a little less that I do) review and whether you charged at home - which is essential for most EV users (IMO). I'm just about to order my first EV. I've come to the conclusion that a) you need to be able to charge at home, b) charging frequently and for short periods, staying within the rapid charge curve of the car (for which the E-Tron is excellent) is the most time efficient C) planning your journeys to make use of the rapid chargers D) I never travel long distances without stopping a couple of times and I could easily be charging while doing that. This obsession with 300+ miles range is not, in my opinion, realistic, nor essential for me. The business case for going electric is significant, at the moment, and that is partly why I am doing it... and it will be a challenge and an adventure, something that, perhaps is needed, on those long motorway trips. The cost benefits will change soon enough with road pricing or whatever form the government takes to recover the £27b in taxes they get from ICE cars but while I can, I plan to take advantage of it.
@@PetrolPed Thanks. IMO, part of the difference is related to the circumstances surrounding having use of the car. You have one on loan. I am planning to lease on the company (either an Etron or a Tesla). In the process, I will be getting a home charger, I have travelled my most common long distance trips as part of my work, stopped at every services, checked the charge points, looked at the numbers, identified the rapid chargers (as they are an important element), looked at how much time I spent stopped in an ICE car during normal trip, checked out hotels where I can charge overnight. In other words, I've done my research, I know what to expect and whether it will work, or not. And it does. It wasn't a complicated process, not time consuming, just a bit of fun with a useful outcome. There aren't many compromises and some financial benefits to running an EV, hence the impending order. I'm not sure that having a car on loan for three weeks, with no home charger and little/no forethought to planning is the way that most people will look into EV ownership (a comment not a criticism). For many, who do a commute and some 100 mile trips, they may not need charging away from home. If you can charge at home, the EV. whatever size. shape or price, is an interesting choice. For people like myself, and presumably yourself, with trips away, longer drives and overnight stays, planning is more important but really not that difficult. Looking forward to your review of the car itself, as a 55 Etron is my preference. Great videos by the way, the most "real" reviews I find on the web.
Hi All, last Friday a guy called into the garage to charge up his Nissan leaf, he was saying the range drops 20% in winter and he had 120 range and 120 mile journey but needed to stop for over 40mins while it charged.. The extreme cold we are experiencing in NE Scotland probably effects the range more.
As others say mirrors arent great. Just because the tech exists doesnt always mean its the best option to implement. But moving in the right direction in other areas.
With the mirror, i think it's range rovers who did a concept car that used not only the normal side camera but the rear camera which gave a much better view, a wider angle.
Great video again! Did look at the e-tron as the potential next car but as you say, with a poor infrastructure, I’m one of those nervous about the jump to EV and, for such a big SUV style car, I can’t quite see how this car works based on real world figures. ID3/4, Enyaq or Q4 style cars (if the latter can exceed 300 miles on a charge) seem to be the potential game changers (not sure about the build quality on the latest VWs though). E-tron GT looks interesting, but too pricey (although I heard a rumour about a mini e-tron GT, the GTS? Allegedly an S5 style offering which’d be very interesting indeed and possibly could coax me out of the S4). Here’s hoping for a change of pace in EV development from the mainstream manufacturers as you say in your video. Well done again, a good honest review!
Hi all!! hope everyone is doing well and staying healthy! Been looking forward to this one. I think range for electric cars is a big thing for a lot in the USA 🇺🇸. I’d say for me personally it has to be 275 minimum during winter with a max during warm weather around 325 to 350 before I’d really consider electric. Definitely not a fan of the mirrors or price wow 😳. But as always a fantastic review Sir Pete!!
Love the video, for me 300 miles is what I want, I could live with 250 miles at a push but the infrastructure for chargers need to be a lot better and until it is I will not change. hopefully within the next 2-3 years it will get a lot better and with newer tech on batteries maybe 300+ miles will be achievable.
Watched last night Peter and forgot to comment! Brilliant and honest review as always and some really interesting points about a motor that in my opinion is one of the best looking EVs around! Cheers buddy and keep up the great work!
You’re spot on. 185 miles is way too low for a car of that value. It’s a good looking machine although touch screens aren’t my thing, it does at least look so much better than a Tesla (subjective, of course). But half the range of what is actually needed. And my biggest gripe with screens and cameras and not, mirrors is focal length. Try using them whilst wearing bifocals and crane your neck back in order to view them properly... How safe is that!?
God forbid, I'm not an Audi fan, far less a German car fan.... So for me to see this as a car I actually quite like is an achievement in itself. My experience with my PHEV with battery range is exactly that. What in the summer is a 40 mile range achieving maybe 32 miles drops to 20 miles in winter which gets you about 15 miles true range. And this is the issue with cold weather and battery technology. I would consider a full electric for my next company car however, range has to increase dramatically given I would normally drive 35k a year. The water car developed in Japan though seems more up my street, fill it with any kind of water including sea water and just drive..... Still a long way to go on development but surelysomething for the future
We are picking up our new car in March. We had numerous discussions as to whether we should go electric. As you say, most of the time we’d be driving to the shops etc but you couldn’t get around the fact that you can’t just jump in the car and head to Scotland without spending 4/5 hours on chargers. That’s almost the same time you’d spend actually driving! There’s also the fact that you are paying a premium on the EV. You get much more car for £30000 when you choose petrol. Needless to say we’re buying another petrol car.
Evening everyone, hope you’ve survived this freezing cold week safely. Beautiful looking car , good you got to do lots of miles to really get to know her !
So pleased you mentioned the issue with camera mirrors. The fact you can’t change the angle you see by just moving your head makes them so dangerous. Surprised they put the screens for them so low on the doors too. Cracking review as always Ped!
I have three things to say about the car. One, I'm super happy to see Audis looking like Audis, even when they are electric Audis!! Two, range is everything! If they can't manage 250 miles, I can't see any reason to buy this car. I want to drive to my mum's or sister's place without re-charging. And three, have you purchased the Delta Integrale yet, and if not why not?? That was four things wasn't it?
Hi I’m from the states as well. I’ve been a long time follower and fan of Sir Pete. He does fantastic reviews of all kinds of cars on here! Also this community of peddlers are one of the best community’s on RUclips! So kick back explore the backlog of exceptional videos and welcome to a great community and fans of petrol ped!
Great review of a car I could not live with at all. The range is completely inadequate. The range during our 6 months of winter would be even worse, and that is not counting the drag from plowing through snow, nor the electrical draw for lights, heaters, seat heater, and wipers needed in a snow storm. In an average year we see a few nights of -40. Your +2 is what we consider a warm winter day.
Hi Ped Excellent review. As an Audi man love lots about this car, exterior, interior, dash & screens great improvement, not keen on the wheel design (minor personal preference). Cameras to replace wing mirrors definite No No, big distraction and possibly dangerous😬😬 Range, infrastructure, and cost big negative. Guess we are on same wavelength wit this one. Good to see the Pups being sensible🥰
Instinctively I thought the mirror cameras looked like a bad idea. I'm glad you have called it out. I feel at the moment we are in a phase with new cars where manufacturers can do some really clever tech. However just, because you can do it doesn't mean to say you should. The touch screens are getting a bit much and the latest Golf for example with touch sensitive steering wheel controls are just silly.
The legacy manufacturers could easily get bigger range but they don't want too at this moment.They have so much invested in ICE engines, transmissions and the factories they are produced in etc they don't want to sell them in massive numbers until nearer the time when they are forced to go all BEV and Hybrid.
I fully agree, Cars that size should be doing over 300 miles on a charge. I am a big Audi fan but it is so disappointing that the major car manufacturers cannot get close to Tesla when it comes to range. I will not waste my money on an electric car until they can sort their range out.
Great video as usual and so very well put together as always, But!! and this is a big one: How many people in reality are going to understand the regenerative technology and be able to use it on a day to day basis to improve range, let alone the other technologies in these types of vehicles!! Most people these days seem to have a great deal of trouble driving a normal car to the road standards required in the UK. Having to think about operting all this technology as well is simply a recipe for disaster and on top of that all of the confusion with charging when looking at charge rates, which cables to use, which charging stations you have what payment cards for and how fast they will charge!!!!! get the point? We have these smart motoways increasing in the UK but what use are they if we dont have smart drivers? and trust me we dont have many of those. Going back to the technologies, when you look at what we have now in most basic simple cars a lot of people dont even know how to indicate correctly or even bother to use tham at all, lane discipline is appaling particularlry on motorways and so many people dont know they are driving with no main lights on at night not realising that their DRL's are what is providing the small amout of light at the front of the car not their main ones! Ask a driver why he or she is driving with their fog lights on, not realising that an indicator on their dashbord is telling them so!! As a qualified advanced driver I observe so much bad behaviour out there already with standard vehicles I have to ask myself how people will cope with the very advanced technologies modern cars are bringing to the world? Sorry this wasnt meant to sound like a rant, mereley a perspective on how complex cars are getting, needlesley in a lot of cases, and how Mr average motorist is not going to fare very well with them. Recipe for disaster possibly?
Nice motor Pete, but I am with you on the mirrors. I wouldn't want to park it in a town centre on a Friday/Saturday night, those mirrors would be a target.Keep up the good work mate.
I enjoyed your review and, as an etron S Sportback owner, I must agree with everything you said. Range is even worse in the S variant; with a battery charged at 100% and -9 degrees Celsius, I’ve got 234km... Virtual mirrors are something I regretted adding, it’s innovation that brings no added value. Have a lot of discussions with our common friend Simon as I know he likes them :-) Gonna address the virtual mirrors issues on a video on my channel soon. Keep it up! 👍🏼
A great balanced review Pedro. My sister has the regular (non sport-back) version of the same car and sees the same problem with range. You’ve rightly pointed out that building better infrastructure is going to be key for sorting out this vehicles shortcomings. Quite simply, there isn’t enough fast chargers out in the regions. Hopefully once we are through Covid, government and business can come together to build a world-leading national network. What a place to sit whilst you’re travelling though 🙂
A very intelligent review. I had a very short drive in one recently to compare with the Model S and your pros and cons are exactly my own. The mirrors are a danger but the lack of range coupled with a poor infrastructure is a killer. If the charging network is so iffy in the UK the range of an EV needs to be enough to comfortably get to an “alternate” charger when the first is broken/in use - and this isn’t.
Great review!! Totally agree that range and charging infrastructure are the negatives to ev ownership and you can see why that most people go for Tesla over other manufacturers due to the supercharger network
Great presentation Pete. Having had wing mirrors knocked off in the past, I wondered how deep my pockets would have to be to replace a camera unit vs a piece of glass. Hmmm. I think that battery technology and range will be akin to what we saw with the evolution of the petrol engine... albeit over a shorter period of time.
Those camera stalks seem even more tempting to knock off than standard mirrors. I'm not a yob & would never damage someone's car but they just look so 'grabbable'.
I'd be interested in seeing you take a road trip where you add ballast to the car to simulate the weight of a family with luggage. What would another 200 kilos or so do to the range? I live in rural Colorado and the limited range of today's EVs coupled with the lack of charging infrastructure is the biggest factor keeping me away at the moment.
Hi Ped, another quality car from Audi, the range is not great, maybe ok for short trips around town but not ideal for longer journeys as the charging can take time to recharge. Unfortunately, still more work required to fine tune the mileage. This Mirror technology sounds expensive compared to the traditional mirrors.
I presume those mirrors are similar to the rear view mirror on the new Defender it is not what we are used to but I found that after a short drive I had tuned into it and it is strange going back to a standard mirror. I still reverse with my mirror though my wife reverses purely on the camera view so each to their own. A lot of money and short of range for the Audi. I need minimum 300 to visit my parents so plug in hybrid for me at next purchase unless things change.
Like your honest input no sales pitch. Just a good review with your experience. You know I am not sure why they call these cars EV. They are battery cars just like my kids toy but my kids car when it runs out of juice we just change it to another recharged battery in no time flat so it never runs out of fun.
Another great review. The only thing I struggle with is the need for such big range from BEV’s? To achieve these ranges they will need batteries that are huge therefore heavy and extraordinary expensive, putting these cars further out of reach in monitory terms. As a man of a certain age my bladder determines my drive time in the car, with careful consideration I can tie this in with a charge stop therefore the perceived lack of range is not perhaps the issue we think it is.
‘Weighs about the same as a small moon’ 😂. Great comment. Understand your disappointment with the range. The U.K. weather certainly makes a difference. Most Petrol cars have a range of 300 miles now, that may be why people expect that from an electric car. Fascinating review though. We do wish MINI would build a fully electric Countryman or Clubman
Love the idea of rear view cameras, your insights re how good they aren't ( depth perception, 2d effect) were not something I had previously considered. Think I'll be sticking with mirrors for the foreseeable future..Thanks for the info Ped!
It’s not about range and never has been mate. It’s about charging speed and charging infrastructure. Range is excellent for a basic small economy petrol vehicle. Not so good for a Silver Shadow Rolls Royce, and I don’t think it matters to the purchaser of the Rolls. Same applies to heavy, luxury EVs. Range is NOT an issue and never has been. COMFORT, QUIET, SERENITY, and the plush envelopment that comes with that is what matters. Luxury car buyers (like myself - petrol, hybrid or EV) have NEVER given a TOSS about range. Just to clarify.
Totally agree. No mention that the ETron charges much faster than other EVs 80% in the time you’ve had a coffee and a leak is brilliant. Also range on long journeys defies the current algorithm of your daily use and you get much more than predicted.
I'm sure it's mentioned elsewhere but any electric car costing over £35,000 doesn't qualify now for a grant - so add a few more thousand onto the price of these
Pete, I understand the range issue with the EV's but the towing limitation is another major factor. I tow a boat and EV's just don't cut the mustard. I'm thinking off the F-Pace Hybrid next.
Nice review Pete, the key elephant in the room with electric cars are the environmental cost of providing the electricity in the first place which is often over looked. Studies have shown that in kilowatt joules hybrid cars produce an equivalent level of pollution as the power stations that produce electricity. Also for those of us that make longer trips ie to Cornwall I do not want a 5 hour journey to become 7 hours due to a charging stop if I can find a charge point. For that reason I would never by electric but would a hybrid or a hydrogen powered car which I think will be a better future option. As for the government making sure we only buy new electric cars after 2030 - no chance!
Hi Peter You’re right , I’m keen to go to electric, but I won’t until I can get a car that can do 300miles . I’m keen to see what developments Mini come out with but 150 miles max isn’t good enough.
@@PetrolPed very true, I agree but as battery technology moves forward, who knows 👍🏻 On another note , I love the Hotshot. I’m a big fan of Tamiya and used to race their on road cars. I used to race in the Tamiya Euro cup which took me all over Europe as I represented the Uk . The highlight was qualifying for the world finals in Japan where I finished 6th overall 👏🏻 I got a guided tour of the Tamiya factory. I have Mr Tamiyas signature on the body shell of the car I used . I could easily get back into it now 👍🏻
Good review mate you answered most of the important question number 1 being Range until the technology evolves enough to give these cars a range of 300 + very hard justifying spending 50 grand ➕ for one of these for the average buyer. Totally agree with the camera door mirrors although nice, looks to much like a gimmick. Build quality compared to the Tesla is all ways going to be better from the mainstream manufacturers . Great review 👏
Having had a demo late 2020, I completely agree with your review of the mirrors. I found parking needlessly hard with them. The Honda e digital mirrors and screens I found much easier to live with than those on the e-Tron though, so maybe they’ll evolve over time. Still all seems a bit gimmicky and unnecessary really when an actual mirror does the job. Maybe I’m just getting old and grumpy.
Good evening everyone. Certainly not a fan of the wing cameras & I wish I could get into these electric cars but I can't. Great review/video as always though.
Thanks for the video, very honest and realistic. I'm a great fan of electric and hybrid vehicles and am considering all electric. Skoda Enyaq, VW ID4 are both strong contenders. I did test drive the Peugeot e2008 which was a good car to drive but the range was hugely disappointing. The range has to be 250 miles plus to make sense for me. I'm sure the technology is coming... :)
Nice honest review on this one Pete, Love the looks, the tech involved and just a great package, but, i would agree with you and the range of these cars are/ will be a big key selling point for the future of any brand. keep it up PP, great watch.
I concur about the whole range/charge thing. Changing subject. I assume no Apple CarPlay navigation turn directions on the driver display yet? I here the VW ID3 now has it. Please keep an eye out for it in other VAG cars. Thanks
Very good honest review, hard to see how the even lower capacity Etron 50 works at such a huge a price v it’s range ability. Standard mirrors a must!! Tesla need the Model Y in Europe ASAP!
All electric cars are great for short journeys, but once you start getting into long journeys that require charging stops you can only really do it in a Tesla. The uk charging network just isn’t ready for high mileage electric car drivers
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Pete. Your day job really comes through when you do the specialist type of review. Very good at talking the viewer through the experience.
Thanks Steven 🙏🏻
That’s a really good point on the disastrous mirror tech 🤦🏽♂️ you’re right. It doesn’t move.. lenses get dirty...
I have them, they are fine.
@@philhartley7551 So, do I and agree. I think the OP had to make a video and had to find “something” to focus on. They provide excellent view with NO blind spots, the lens has yet to get dirty, less drag, no wind noise, feel very solid and can fold backwards and forwards if bumped and I think look very good from a style perspective.
What complete nonsense. They are not disastrous. They are unbelievably easy to use and the quality is perfect
Psst… under the trunk is another space… you should’ve looked further. Most reviewers miss this, it’s incredible. Also underneath the frunk is more space.
Where I live it was -28 degrees Fahrenheit this morning.
My neighbor, who owns two Teslas, came out dressed like a Arctic explorer.
He doesn't have the ability to charge at work and if he uses the heat enough for comfort he doesn't have the range to do his work roundtrip.
I have a similar commute in a ICE vehicle.
Just start it , turn on the heated seats and steering wheel, and drive it a few minutes and I can use all the heat I want.
Wow...that’s cold 🥶
I just took a fun drive in my old Saab 900 when it was that cold here. a bit of sliding about at low speeds is really enjoyable. :D
Can’t imagine going on eBay or to a breaker’s yard asking for a replacing wing camera...
😂😂😂
Perhaps in 25 years time you might get them.
not with out a bank loan or may be robbing a bank. this car is going to be twice the price to repair
I agree about the mirrors. I also agree about the range it has to be 300 or better before I would consider a vehicle.
I'm old enough to know what a mile is (I have to, I drive a 1958 Morris Minor 1000!) and I can easily convert km into miles and vice versa. When reviewing EVs , however, it would probably be helpful for most people living outside the UK, if you could state range figures in both kilometres and miles. Other than that, your review is brilliant! - I think the battery technology in EVs still has along way to go before I'd ever consider making the switch to electric (although we may all be forced to adopt EVs, eventually). For the time being, however, I think I'll be happily relying on the 948cc's of raw internal combustion power in my Morrie to get me about town.
One of my trucking friends said identical issue with the Merc. Dark, wet along with headlights, also sunshine on a wet road behind you, the screens can’t take the glare.
That's interesting to hear. The reversing camera on my Mercedes has excellent night vision. It's an absolute godsend at night because the rear privacy glass makes the rear view mirror virtually unusable.
Kia e Nero is excellent. I get 260 miles in summer and around 220 in this really cold weather. No wonder it was a best seller in Jan 2021.
They are great cars 👍
I wouldn’t spec the cameras either. Can’t beat proper mirrors.
It’s a no from me and that was before I heard the price.
As an Etron launch edition owner I have to say you have absolutely nailed it in this review - basically an awsome car in every respect EXCEPT terribly dissapointing range and pointless tech on the door mirrors. You basically have to own an ICE car as an alternative for longer journeys (luckily my wifes 4.2 V8 Cayenne does nicely for these LOL)
Great to know. Thanks 🙏🏻
Didn’t get chance to watch entire video last night, 100% agree, whilst electric looks like it will be the future for now but as its a 250mile round trip to my parents I really need a car with a range of 300+ miles and also a car that doesnt cost £100k
Tesla, Hyundai, Kia, VW will all sell you cars with genuine 250 plus mile ranges for half the cost of the E-Tron.
The gripe I’ve got isn’t purely the range, it’s the charging time. We used to drive to the alps as a family - we used to take our 4.0 litre petrol jeep Cherokee. 20 mpg on a good day, 15mpg if you were lucky at 80 mph fully loaded with a roof box. I think on one tank aiming for an early ferry we saw 12mpg - about 200 miles brimmed to fumes. Thing is, when we came off the ferry at 10pm English time, there’s no way you want to have to spend 30-4t minutes charging the thing up - you just want to stop, squirt the go-go juice in in and pay in less than 5 minutes and head home for a pint of hogs back best and a kip. Plus this three petrol stops which accounted for 30 minutes of the journey through France - they’d add another 90-120 minutes to the journey. So to catch that ferry, we’d have missed an hour and a half of skiing in the most glorious powder. So yep, therell be an a6 all road in our barn for the road trips for years to come!
I think you were very diplomatic about the charging infrastructure in this country Pete, I've heard horror stories especially about the motorway charging issues, I believe they are run by Ecotricity and by all accounts are at times pretty grim. You are right about the e-tron range though, who on earth would spend over 80k on a car with a range of 185 miles, it doesn't make sense when you can buy a Tesla for much less with a 100 mile longer range. I'm afraid I won't even consider an EV for at least another three years.
Looking forward to this. I think electric isn't quite ready for me yet!!
I’m not ready for it either the range needs to get a lot better
Could well be the case but not all electric cars are inefficient expensive Audi etrons with relatively poor range.
I have an excellent rear view camera on my e-golf. But 30yrs of using my mirrors is far more superior than trying to use a rear view camera. It's only good to see how close you are to a wall of high kerb at your rear.
It’s just too bloody big!! All the tech in the world cant hide the fact it is a monster of a car which will require huge batteries and big electric motors. Defies the whole point of the “green brief”. Beautifully made as always but.... well not for me (I’ll never bloody afford one anyway). Great review as always; thank you 🙏
The classic phrase, "less is more", should be translated in automotive terms to, "less COSTS more!", almost invariably!!!
Incredibly eloquent and accurate assessment of current charging infrastructure. Basically there are two segments to the market. Tesla, where if you have one of their cars you never ever have to worry about range or lack of charging, and the rest. However, for many of us we could count on one hand the number of 300 mile one day road trips were do. I charge our model 3 to circa 150 miles range once a week. That is all we need. Times are changing and our perceptions and expectations need to align with them. J
Thanks but wait till Mondays video 👍
Ive had my e tron 55 for 1.5 years now, fully specced with normal side mirrors. Truely great car. I drive in norway where it can get very cold and usually lots of snow. It just digs through everything. Nightvision and matrix leds are so good when driving in very dark areas, and i have never had range anxiety.
We are very fortunate with charging infrastructure here in Norway. There are free public chargers everywhere, so even if you dont have a home charger you can get a full charge in ~8 hours. The 150kw+ network is also very good, no matter where you drive, there will be fast chargers. Ice cars are completely priced out here too, cars usually cost 2-3 times more here than anywhere else. So ev ownership is a no-brainer
Having driven a few of these e-tron's now, I can completely agree with your view on the camera wing mirrors. Personally, I think they're a complete waste of money, and for reverse parking I found them very difficult to judge proximity to anything really. Well done for pointing it out to all your viewers, I think the idea should be dropped really, or maybe we could have a pop-up mirror just for reversing? Who knows.
Great looking car I think
My biggest challenge with electric is the lack of noise. When they make an electric that pops popcorn it will win me. I know that I will have to adapt to electric somehow but I’m hoping to have something for me by the time I do. Big hugs to all petrolped community
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A couple of years ago I toured the Highlands and Islands in a BMW Mini One. Memorable moments included sailing past Tesla’s who were clearly creeping around saving power whilst they tried to find a charge point. Now they had 250+ miles range. I saw a couple crawl into The Green Welly at Tyndrum. Can you imagine touring the Highlands in this Audi? You would need to wear a man nappy to even contemplate it😂 A great feature BTW.
The other thing that no one mentions on range is that you will not drive 175m on a charge, you will start getting warnings at about 145 miles and will probably stop at 155 ish. As you state that is not enough!
Hi Peddlers, great vid & review!
I completely agree with your view that a range of 180miles will put a lot of people off. We seriously considered the original e-tron, but the test drive car showed a range of just 170 miles and we couldn’t stop thinking, £70k+ for a car that will barely do 2hrs on motorway before we’d need to stop and charge!
It's an Audi, you'll gain a load of motorway range by slipstreaming 2 metres from the car in front 😀
As always an honest review of the car in question. That is the biggest problem for me with ev at the moment, range. I do 140 miles round trip to and from work, and for the amount of money this thing costs it is just not there for yet.
If you can charge at home, you might just be the perfect EV candidate! Most modern EVs have no problem with 140 miles even in the coldest weather. If you really drive over 30k miles per year you will save thousands per year in fuel costs and enjoy a "full tank" every morning. Of course, this will depend greatly on your local energy and gas rates.
I have just watched you grinning ear to ear driving that Integrale. Made my evening that. That noise.
Great car 👌
Well Peter, it might be the EV to buy at the moment but I’m not yet sold on the whole idea...we are just not ready and the range on that car is hopeless...how can you pay £89,000 and yet be unable to drive more than 70/80 miles away from home so for me, my day out in Sidmouth with range anxiety taunting me all the way home. I can’t buy that. Then heating...today was -2C with a biting wind...I was on a farm this morning and my fingers were freezing whilst taking some pictures...but my faithful tDiscovery Sport welcomed me with warm heated seats, heated windscreen, a powerful heater and that luxury beyond words, a heated steering wheel...and 42mpg to help me on my way. Now the D/Sport is outlawed in a few years time BUT it does what i and everybody else wants...EV’s are a long way off that ability. The wing mirrors....a crazy idea like too many touch screens...such technology has a place but not in the act of controlling a car....manoeuvring maybe but driving, no thank you..just ridiculous and unsafe...plus mighty tempting for any passing yob to snap off for fun and replacements?...£2000 each I would guess plus paintwork! The Audi is very good.....but it needs all those improvements you describe...sort that and then we are able to think again! Stay safe...wear gloves...delay the Tesla!! 🥶🥶😨😱😱😃😃😃😃😃Richard.
Great insight to the world of electric cars. Personally I have an hybrid which is obviously the best of both, it’s going to be a sorry sight when we are all fully electric.
Just imagine going to a forecourt to charge your car on your way home from a long journey to find it’s full of cars being charged, you’d be in for a long day indeed.
Totally agree! The range on EV's is the first thing I look at
Really enjoyed what is a very objective and honest view. I had the e-tron for a few days & couldn’t agree more. Fantastic in many ways, a couple of key drawbacks though. Best succinct review I’ve seen on this- thanks Pete.
Wife's first comment was, what's happened to the mirrors, they look like they have been knocked off! I wouldn't spec them personally. But I agree with you, range is the big issue there! Great honest review mate
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Great video, winter time with plenty of cold weather, how does the heaters cope, obviously electric therfore power usage. I have heard from artic drivers with cameras, same issues in wet and dark.
14 year old deisel with over 180000 miles...summer 550 miles...winter 600 miles....well the air con saps some energy
I do around 25,000 miles a year, a mix between local travel and regular 250-300 miles a day longer journeys. I'll be interested to see your 1,000 miles in 3 weeks (a little less that I do) review and whether you charged at home - which is essential for most EV users (IMO). I'm just about to order my first EV. I've come to the conclusion that a) you need to be able to charge at home, b) charging frequently and for short periods, staying within the rapid charge curve of the car (for which the E-Tron is excellent) is the most time efficient C) planning your journeys to make use of the rapid chargers D) I never travel long distances without stopping a couple of times and I could easily be charging while doing that. This obsession with 300+ miles range is not, in my opinion, realistic, nor essential for me. The business case for going electric is significant, at the moment, and that is partly why I am doing it... and it will be a challenge and an adventure, something that, perhaps is needed, on those long motorway trips. The cost benefits will change soon enough with road pricing or whatever form the government takes to recover the £27b in taxes they get from ICE cars but while I can, I plan to take advantage of it.
I’ve done a long journey and charging vid that drops on Monday at 6pm 👍
@@PetrolPed Thanks. IMO, part of the difference is related to the circumstances surrounding having use of the car. You have one on loan. I am planning to lease on the company (either an Etron or a Tesla). In the process, I will be getting a home charger, I have travelled my most common long distance trips as part of my work, stopped at every services, checked the charge points, looked at the numbers, identified the rapid chargers (as they are an important element), looked at how much time I spent stopped in an ICE car during normal trip, checked out hotels where I can charge overnight. In other words, I've done my research, I know what to expect and whether it will work, or not. And it does. It wasn't a complicated process, not time consuming, just a bit of fun with a useful outcome. There aren't many compromises and some financial benefits to running an EV, hence the impending order. I'm not sure that having a car on loan for three weeks, with no home charger and little/no forethought to planning is the way that most people will look into EV ownership (a comment not a criticism). For many, who do a commute and some 100 mile trips, they may not need charging away from home. If you can charge at home, the EV. whatever size. shape or price, is an interesting choice. For people like myself, and presumably yourself, with trips away, longer drives and overnight stays, planning is more important but really not that difficult. Looking forward to your review of the car itself, as a 55 Etron is my preference. Great videos by the way, the most "real" reviews I find on the web.
Hi All, last Friday a guy called into the garage to charge up his Nissan leaf, he was saying the range drops 20% in winter and he had 120 range and 120 mile journey but needed to stop for over 40mins while it charged.. The extreme cold we are experiencing in NE Scotland probably effects the range more.
Wow 😳
As others say mirrors arent great. Just because the tech exists doesnt always mean its the best option to implement. But moving in the right direction in other areas.
With the mirror, i think it's range rovers who did a concept car that used not only the normal side camera but the rear camera which gave a much better view, a wider angle.
Great video again! Did look at the e-tron as the potential next car but as you say, with a poor infrastructure, I’m one of those nervous about the jump to EV and, for such a big SUV style car, I can’t quite see how this car works based on real world figures. ID3/4, Enyaq or Q4 style cars (if the latter can exceed 300 miles on a charge) seem to be the potential game changers (not sure about the build quality on the latest VWs though). E-tron GT looks interesting, but too pricey (although I heard a rumour about a mini e-tron GT, the GTS? Allegedly an S5 style offering which’d be very interesting indeed and possibly could coax me out of the S4). Here’s hoping for a change of pace in EV development from the mainstream manufacturers as you say in your video. Well done again, a good honest review!
Hi all!! hope everyone is doing well and staying healthy! Been looking forward to this one.
I think range for electric cars is a big thing for a lot in the USA 🇺🇸. I’d say for me personally it has to be 275 minimum during winter with a max during warm weather around 325 to 350 before I’d really consider electric. Definitely not a fan of the mirrors or price wow 😳.
But as always a fantastic review Sir Pete!!
Cheers Buddy 👍
Love the video, for me 300 miles is what I want, I could live with 250 miles at a push but the infrastructure for chargers need to be a lot better and until it is I will not change. hopefully within the next 2-3 years it will get a lot better and with newer tech on batteries maybe 300+ miles will be achievable.
I like idea of those wing mirrors, not sure about the styling of them
Watched last night Peter and forgot to comment! Brilliant and honest review as always and some really interesting points about a motor that in my opinion is one of the best looking EVs around! Cheers buddy and keep up the great work!
I like the rear design but the manufacturers should have to advertise range from cold to hot so you know exactly what you are buying.
You’re spot on. 185 miles is way too low for a car of that value. It’s a good looking machine although touch screens aren’t my thing, it does at least look so much better than a Tesla (subjective, of course). But half the range of what is actually needed.
And my biggest gripe with screens and cameras and not, mirrors is focal length. Try using them whilst wearing bifocals and crane your neck back in order to view them properly... How safe is that!?
God forbid, I'm not an Audi fan, far less a German car fan.... So for me to see this as a car I actually quite like is an achievement in itself.
My experience with my PHEV with battery range is exactly that. What in the summer is a 40 mile range achieving maybe 32 miles drops to 20 miles in winter which gets you about 15 miles true range.
And this is the issue with cold weather and battery technology.
I would consider a full electric for my next company car however, range has to increase dramatically given I would normally drive 35k a year.
The water car developed in Japan though seems more up my street, fill it with any kind of water including sea water and just drive..... Still a long way to go on development but surelysomething for the future
Would love electric but range and public charging points are a big downer for me. Hopefully solid state batteries will live up to the hype
We are picking up our new car in March. We had numerous discussions as to whether we should go electric. As you say, most of the time we’d be driving to the shops etc but you couldn’t get around the fact that you can’t just jump in the car and head to Scotland without spending 4/5 hours on chargers. That’s almost the same time you’d spend actually driving! There’s also the fact that you are paying a premium on the EV. You get much more car for £30000 when you choose petrol. Needless to say we’re buying another petrol car.
Evening everyone, hope you’ve survived this freezing cold week safely. Beautiful looking car , good you got to do lots of miles to really get to know her !
So pleased you mentioned the issue with camera mirrors. The fact you can’t change the angle you see by just moving your head makes them so dangerous. Surprised they put the screens for them so low on the doors too. Cracking review as always Ped!
I have three things to say about the car. One, I'm super happy to see Audis looking like Audis, even when they are electric Audis!! Two, range is everything! If they can't manage 250 miles, I can't see any reason to buy this car. I want to drive to my mum's or sister's place without re-charging. And three, have you purchased the Delta Integrale yet, and if not why not?? That was four things wasn't it?
Someone beat me too it 😂
@@PetrolPed Heh, no surprise really. It was screaming buy me or say goodby me.
Hello from the United States! Found your channel earlier this week and already am a huge fan!
Wow that is AWESOME to hear 👍 Welcome to the channel 👊
Hi I’m from the states as well. I’ve been a long time follower and fan of Sir Pete. He does fantastic reviews of all kinds of cars on here! Also this community of peddlers are one of the best community’s on RUclips! So kick back explore the backlog of exceptional videos and welcome to a great community and fans of petrol ped!
Is that why PP said brake rotors lol
@@octaneparker6200 lol maybe
Gotta drop some stuff in you guys will understand 😜😂
Great review of a car I could not live with at all. The range is completely inadequate. The range during our 6 months of winter would be even worse, and that is not counting the drag from plowing through snow, nor the electrical draw for lights, heaters, seat heater, and wipers needed in a snow storm. In an average year we see a few nights of -40. Your +2 is what we consider a warm winter day.
Audi are doing well with the electrification so far. The new E-Tron GT is stunning but they need to improve the range. Great video Pete.
They do 👍
Hi Ped
Excellent review. As an Audi man love lots about this car, exterior, interior, dash & screens great improvement, not keen on the wheel design (minor personal preference). Cameras to replace wing mirrors definite No No, big distraction and possibly dangerous😬😬 Range, infrastructure, and cost big negative. Guess we are on same wavelength wit this one. Good to see the Pups being sensible🥰
Instinctively I thought the mirror cameras looked like a bad idea. I'm glad you have called it out. I feel at the moment we are in a phase with new cars where manufacturers can do some really clever tech. However just, because you can do it doesn't mean to say you should. The touch screens are getting a bit much and the latest Golf for example with touch sensitive steering wheel controls are just silly.
The legacy manufacturers could easily get bigger range but they don't want too at this moment.They have so much invested in ICE engines, transmissions and the factories they are produced in etc they don't want to sell them in massive numbers until nearer the time when they are forced to go all BEV and Hybrid.
Evening Ped and Peddlers hope your all well :) from a snowy Cumbria
Good thanks Chris! 👍🏻
Greetings from a snowy Durham!
Hi Chris 🙋♂️
I fully agree, Cars that size should be doing over 300 miles on a charge. I am a big Audi fan but it is so disappointing that the major car manufacturers cannot get close to Tesla when it comes to range. I will not waste my money on an electric car until they can sort their range out.
Great video as usual and so very well put together as always, But!! and this is a big one: How many people in reality are going to understand the regenerative technology and be able to use it on a day to day basis to improve range, let alone the other technologies in these types of vehicles!! Most people these days seem to have a great deal of trouble driving a normal car to the road standards required in the UK. Having to think about operting all this technology as well is simply a recipe for disaster and on top of that all of the confusion with charging when looking at charge rates, which cables to use, which charging stations you have what payment cards for and how fast they will charge!!!!! get the point? We have these smart motoways increasing in the UK but what use are they if we dont have smart drivers? and trust me we dont have many of those. Going back to the technologies, when you look at what we have now in most basic simple cars a lot of people dont even know how to indicate correctly or even bother to use tham at all, lane discipline is appaling particularlry on motorways and so many people dont know they are driving with no main lights on at night not realising that their DRL's are what is providing the small amout of light at the front of the car not their main ones! Ask a driver why he or she is driving with their fog lights on, not realising that an indicator on their dashbord is telling them so!! As a qualified advanced driver I observe so much bad behaviour out there already with standard vehicles I have to ask myself how people will cope with the very advanced technologies modern cars are bringing to the world? Sorry this wasnt meant to sound like a rant, mereley a perspective on how complex cars are getting, needlesley in a lot of cases, and how Mr average motorist is not going to fare very well with them. Recipe for disaster possibly?
There is certainly a new skill set to learn 👍
Nice motor Pete, but I am with you on the mirrors. I wouldn't want to park it in a town centre on a Friday/Saturday night, those mirrors would be a target.Keep up the good work mate.
Cameras blew my mind.Wing mirrors all day long for me Ped.👍
I enjoyed your review and, as an etron S Sportback owner, I must agree with everything you said. Range is even worse in the S variant; with a battery charged at 100% and -9 degrees Celsius, I’ve got 234km... Virtual mirrors are something I regretted adding, it’s innovation that brings no added value. Have a lot of discussions with our common friend Simon as I know he likes them :-) Gonna address the virtual mirrors issues on a video on my channel soon. Keep it up! 👍🏼
I know he does...not sure how or why 😜😂
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I agree Pete, more range required. Nice looking car though.
Good evening all, hope everyone is keeping well.
Good thanks. You OK ?
@@PetrolPed very good thanks, found out today the gender of my 2nd child, we are having a boy this time, due the beginning of June.
A great balanced review Pedro. My sister has the regular (non sport-back) version of the same car and sees the same problem with range. You’ve rightly pointed out that building better infrastructure is going to be key for sorting out this vehicles shortcomings. Quite simply, there isn’t enough fast chargers out in the regions. Hopefully once we are through Covid, government and business can come together to build a world-leading national network. What a place to sit whilst you’re travelling though 🙂
Very nice car and good, honest revue. I agree, the range and infrastructure are deal-breakers.
And the cost!!!
A very intelligent review.
I had a very short drive in one recently to compare with the Model S and your pros and cons are exactly my own. The mirrors are a danger but the lack of range coupled with a poor infrastructure is a killer.
If the charging network is so iffy in the UK the range of an EV needs to be enough to comfortably get to an “alternate” charger when the first is broken/in use - and this isn’t.
Thanks 🙏🏻
Great review!! Totally agree that range and charging infrastructure are the negatives to ev ownership and you can see why that most people go for Tesla over other manufacturers due to the supercharger network
Challenging with those wing mirrors , would love to see a polestar comparison
Great presentation Pete. Having had wing mirrors knocked off in the past, I wondered how deep my pockets would have to be to replace a camera unit vs a piece of glass. Hmmm.
I think that battery technology and range will be akin to what we saw with the evolution of the petrol engine... albeit over a shorter period of time.
Those camera stalks seem even more tempting to knock off than standard mirrors. I'm not a yob & would never damage someone's car but they just look so 'grabbable'.
I'd be interested in seeing you take a road trip where you add ballast to the car to simulate the weight of a family with luggage. What would another 200 kilos or so do to the range? I live in rural Colorado and the limited range of today's EVs coupled with the lack of charging infrastructure is the biggest factor keeping me away at the moment.
Hi Ped, another quality car from Audi, the range is not great, maybe ok for short trips around town but not ideal for longer journeys as the charging can take time to recharge. Unfortunately, still more work required to fine tune the mileage. This Mirror technology sounds expensive compared to the traditional mirrors.
I presume those mirrors are similar to the rear view mirror on the new Defender it is not what we are used to but I found that after a short drive I had tuned into it and it is strange going back to a standard mirror. I still reverse with my mirror though my wife reverses purely on the camera view so each to their own. A lot of money and short of range for the Audi. I need minimum 300 to visit my parents so plug in hybrid for me at next purchase unless things change.
Well done Pete, I'll have to wait till you can get a big family wagon for not big money before I'll go electric.
Me to. Way to rich for my blood and not enough range
To expensive and way too heavy with not enough range.
Like your honest input no sales pitch. Just a good review with your experience. You know I am not sure why they call these cars EV. They are battery cars just like my kids toy but my kids car when it runs out of juice we just change it to another recharged battery in no time flat so it never runs out of fun.
Thanks 👍
Brilliant looking car and I like the fact it just looks like an Audi rather then being different for different sake. 👍🏻
I agree ☝️
Another great review. The only thing I struggle with is the need for such big range from BEV’s?
To achieve these ranges they will need batteries that are huge therefore heavy and extraordinary expensive, putting these cars further out of reach in monitory terms.
As a man of a certain age my bladder determines my drive time in the car, with careful consideration I can tie this in with a charge stop therefore the perceived lack of range is not perhaps the issue we think it is.
‘Weighs about the same as a small moon’ 😂. Great comment. Understand your disappointment with the range. The U.K. weather certainly makes a difference. Most Petrol cars have a range of 300 miles now, that may be why people expect that from an electric car. Fascinating review though. We do wish MINI would build a fully electric Countryman or Clubman
Love the idea of rear view cameras, your insights re how good they aren't ( depth perception, 2d effect) were not something I had previously considered. Think I'll be sticking with mirrors for the foreseeable future..Thanks for the info Ped!
Give them a try. They might grow on you 😜
Buy a Macan s and bank the change and enjoy the performance and the practical Petrol engine, no waiting for for a charge
It’s not about range and never has been mate. It’s about charging speed and charging infrastructure. Range is excellent for a basic small economy petrol vehicle. Not so good for a Silver Shadow Rolls Royce, and I don’t think it matters to the purchaser of the Rolls. Same applies to heavy, luxury EVs. Range is NOT an issue and never has been. COMFORT, QUIET, SERENITY, and the plush envelopment that comes with that is what matters. Luxury car buyers (like myself - petrol, hybrid or EV) have NEVER given a TOSS about range. Just to clarify.
Totally agree. No mention that the ETron charges much faster than other EVs 80% in the time you’ve had a coffee and a leak is brilliant. Also range on long journeys defies the current algorithm of your daily use and you get much more than predicted.
I'm sure it's mentioned elsewhere but any electric car costing over £35,000 doesn't qualify now for a grant - so add a few more thousand onto the price of these
Pete, I understand the range issue with the EV's but the towing limitation is another major factor. I tow a boat and EV's just don't cut the mustard. I'm thinking off the F-Pace Hybrid next.
Nice review Pete, the key elephant in the room with electric cars are the environmental cost of providing the electricity in the first place which is often over looked. Studies have shown that in kilowatt joules hybrid cars produce an equivalent level of pollution as the power stations that produce electricity. Also for those of us that make longer trips ie to Cornwall I do not want a 5 hour journey to become 7 hours due to a charging stop if I can find a charge point. For that reason I would never by electric but would a hybrid or a hydrogen powered car which I think will be a better future option. As for the government making sure we only buy new electric cars after 2030 - no chance!
What is a kilowatt joule?
Hi Peter You’re right , I’m keen to go to electric, but I won’t until I can get a car that can do 300miles . I’m keen to see what developments Mini come out with but 150 miles max isn’t good enough.
The challenge Mini has is it’s too small for the number of batteries needed to do that 😢
@@PetrolPed very true, I agree but as battery technology moves forward, who knows 👍🏻
On another note , I love the Hotshot. I’m a big fan of Tamiya and used to race their on road cars. I used to race in the Tamiya Euro cup which took me all over Europe as I represented the Uk . The highlight was qualifying for the world finals in Japan where I finished 6th overall 👏🏻 I got a guided tour of the Tamiya factory. I have Mr Tamiyas signature on the body shell of the car I used . I could easily get back into it now 👍🏻
Good review mate you answered most of the important question number 1 being Range until the technology evolves enough to give these cars a range of 300 + very hard justifying spending 50 grand ➕ for one of these for the average buyer.
Totally agree with the camera door mirrors although nice, looks to much like a gimmick.
Build quality compared to the Tesla is all ways going to be better from the mainstream manufacturers .
Great review 👏
Thanks 🙏🏻
Having had a demo late 2020, I completely agree with your review of the mirrors. I found parking needlessly hard with them. The Honda e digital mirrors and screens I found much easier to live with than those on the e-Tron though, so maybe they’ll evolve over time. Still all seems a bit gimmicky and unnecessary really when an actual mirror does the job. Maybe I’m just getting old and grumpy.
I’m with you mate 😜😂
Good evening everyone. Certainly not a fan of the wing cameras & I wish I could get into these electric cars but I can't. Great review/video as always though.
Thanks for the video, very honest and realistic. I'm a great fan of electric and hybrid vehicles and am considering all electric. Skoda Enyaq, VW ID4 are both strong contenders. I did test drive the Peugeot e2008 which was a good car to drive but the range was hugely disappointing. The range has to be 250 miles plus to make sense for me. I'm sure the technology is coming... :)
Nice honest review on this one Pete, Love the looks, the tech involved and just a great package, but, i would agree with you and the range of these cars are/ will be a big key selling point for the future of any brand. keep it up PP, great watch.
Thanks Tony 👍
I love everything about it.... Except the wheels lol.
👍👍 great review
I concur about the whole range/charge thing. Changing subject. I assume no Apple CarPlay navigation turn directions on the driver display yet? I here the VW ID3 now has it. Please keep an eye out for it in other VAG cars. Thanks
Correct. If you have Apple CarPlay active for nav you can’t use Virtual Cockpit for Nav 👍
The second-hand car market is going to love the government in 10 years.
Very good honest review, hard to see how the even lower capacity Etron 50 works at such a huge a price v it’s range ability. Standard mirrors a must!! Tesla need the Model Y in Europe ASAP!
Evening Pete, looking forward to your thoughts on this.The colour red suits it👍
All electric cars are great for short journeys, but once you start getting into long journeys that require charging stops you can only really do it in a Tesla. The uk charging network just isn’t ready for high mileage electric car drivers
Well said. Simple.
How's your BEV project going? Driving Tesla nowadays? Thanks for the review. Planning to replace ID3 soon with used E-tron Sportback.