LIKE if you think more carmakers should be offering fully electric cars SHARE if you think EVs should be competitively priced. Robert's at the fabulous Caffeine & Machine near Stratford-Upon-Avon for this review of the Audi E-Tron 55 Quattro Sportsback! This spectacularly luxurious, powerful and very big SUV is certainly nice to drive, but it's also heavy and uses a lot of energy meaning you don't get much range for your 95 kWh battery. It offers complex, next generation technology but with a price tag of around £85,000 there's no doubt that this is an expensive car. If you're an Audi driver looking to make the switch to electric this could be the car for you, but it's worth remembering there are cheaper, more powerful EVs on the market worth looking at. Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to RUclips Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a RUclips member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow Timestamps: 0:00 Caffeine & (a mean) Machine 1:09 Audi E-Tron Sportback 2:19 Power, Charging Speed & Rate 3:01 Hidden Frunk 3:40 Intelligent Lights 4:22 Battery & Range 5:40 Roomy in the Rear 7:08 Big Old Boot 8:41 Impressive Performance in Stratford 10:03 Instrumentation & Efficiency 13:15 Charging at a Stretch 14:42 Wing Cameras 16:17 Touchscreen, Haptic Feedback 17:19 What Does It Compete With? 18:17 Where Are The Cheaper Cars? 19:25 Subscribe & Support
6:00 The reason cars like this are so expensive, big and inefficient is because the Audi customer isn't buying a mode of transport, they are buying a peacocks tail. It's a form of costly signaling where they spend resources on showing off their ability to spend resources on showing off. Audi might see like dinosaurs, but they make cars like this because they understand their customers.
That's the thing...They can't make them competitively priced because they're not making them efficiently in mass numbers and are way behind on EV technology.
Although I would never buy such a large energy thirsty luxury car. I am glad Audi is building one that runs on electricity instead of gasoline or diesel. Each one sold, is one less fossil fuel car on the road.
@@aussie2uGA True - but I think the rant was aimed more at Audi, because there isn't anything inherent in that luxo-barge that justifies the piss-poor economy (especially given it has pretty good aero). Sure, it won't get the level of efficiency of a tiny econo-box, but the fact that e.g. Tesla Model X gets significantly better mileage despite having worse aero (iirc) shows how poor the Audi is.
Some "large" and "luxury" cars are more efficient than some smaller cheaper cars. The whole obsession with small=cheap dates back to the piston age. EVs don't work like that, its more about drivetrain and aerodynamics than size or luxury being evil
@@logicalChimp The e-tron/ e-tron Sportback is the first real BEV from Audi. Hence they started with a big luxury SUV. It's easier to build than a smaller car, so you can gain experience without much risk. But the Audi Q4 e-tron will be released soon, it's much smaller and - hopefully - more efficient. In 5 years almost every ICE Audi will have a BEV equivalent. In my opinion, Audi is ahead of BMW and Mercedes.
Range Rover from the 1980’s has a fuel economy in the range of 20-25 l/100km. Energy equivalent is 200-250kWh/100km. This Audi is 20-25 kWh/100km. This electron guzzling monster still has better mileage than a Prius.
Thanks for the wellmade video, but guys, what I'm often missing: please show the trunk with seats down, because I want to see, if there is a bump or not !
I believe it's good to have these kind of EVs. There are just many wealthy ppl who like to have big, luxurious cars and better they get an electric one than an ICE car.
Fully agree with your assessment on private car ownership and usage. We've all been marketed into having our own vehicles. In urban areas car sharing schemes like ZipCar need to become commonplace. Parking issues in urban areas aren't because there are too many vehicles, it's because there are too many not being used.
True. Your owned car is literally sitting there costing you in money and depreciation. Car sharing is a novel way of paying for what you use and not having the costs of the car sitting idle. In these environmental times it makes sense to share ownership of small cars. Like now, if you have a small car you hire a van for the one day you move a lot of stuff. You don't buy a van for the once in a blue moon time you need to move lots of stuff. This is where electric cars come into their own. You buy a small city one, and hire a vehicle for your annual trip to Devon.
You have to understand that there are two groups of people when we talk about cars. The ones that love driving, love their card, and want to OWN them. It is about passion. A hobby. Even identity. And there are the ones that see them as just another utility service for transport from point A to point B. To each group it's own. We should understand and respect each other.
I’m really looking forward to the Q4 e-tron. Smaller and more efficient built on the MEB platform. Let’s see what Audi can do with an EV that isn’t based on an ICE platform.
Thank you for this video, it looks stunning. Besides that congratulations on the infographics, the look beautiful and flush and add to the whole experience.
You are getting better at being more organized and technicall in the review. I also liked the overlayed data! Cheers from an Electronic Engineer in Argentina!
I told my local Audi dealer I won't buy another Audi until they sell cars that do 600 to 1000 klm per charge. I love everything else about their vehicles. I don't want to be charging my vehicle every 3 hours.
that just means you are carrying a huge battery around for no reason most of the time.. I mean 1000km in the uk means driving for 7 hours are you really not going to be taking a 35 minute break in that time?
@@aussie2uGA even then it's still carrying a big fat battery that is pointless 99% of the time... and adds a lot to the cost of the car. and on major roads the charging stations are getting better... saying "i wont buy an audi until teh charging infrastructure is as good as teslas" would at least have some logic.
You may have been complaining about it Robert but you still had a massive smile on your face. People still want massive 4x4's , better they buy one of these than a Range Rover or Q8
About the wing cameras: They simply have put the monitors in the completely wrong spot. It should be somewhere in the A-pillar, basically. The Honda-e does it right. That still has the problem of a flat 2D picture not feeling the same as a real mirror, of course. Thankfully, if you truly want the much too heavy and inefficient E-Tron, you can get it with real mirrors, too.
I'm curious to see how those side mirrors perform at night. Is there an ISO boost that would let you see stuff you wouldn't have been able to pick up on with a normal mirror? Also how well do they handle the headlights of the car behind?
@@Shiftarrr AFAIK, there's no real ISO boost, but there's auto-brightness. But that doesn't make them better than auto-darkening real mirrors when you're blinded by someone behind you.
It's about 200mm longer and 85mm wider than a model 3 Tesla, so not a vast amount bigger. More like the size of a model S. However, judging by the reliability surveys, the Audi will be running like new after 100K miles, but the Tesla will have been in the garage 100 times.
Great review as always. But to complain about the efficiency is not fair. Of course the model 3 is more efficient. It’s like comparing a Audi Q7 to an Audi A4.
10:30 Would be really nice to have this kind of number converted as an overlay on the video, for viewers in other countries that have no feeling at all for "miles to the kWh". I know I can google it, but doing that several times in each episode is quite disruptive to the viewing experience. And if possible, please do this as a standard for all numbers mentioned and/or appearing in the video, that could possibly have some of your international viewers lost and confused. I.e. km/miles, gallons/liters, pounds/kg, feet/meters, and all the combinations like miles/kWh versus kWh/km (or per 100 km). I know I'm asking a lot, but I just think it's much less effort (and a bit less energy 😉) spent overall if this is done once in video editing rather than several thousand times by every viewer that wants to know what you're on about.
Really? I know they tested BMW hybrids a while back, but didn’t know if they had confirmed which route they were going. Some safety concerns regarding quiet cars in Wellington streets and pedestrians potentially getting hit was the last I read.
@@NDFilmNZ They ordered 3 "55's" so far. Two of these will serve to shuttle ministers between Wellington Airport and the government’s parliament, while the third with baby seat will be placed in service in Ardern’s home town of Auckland 🍼😂.
Switch over, you won't regret it. If you need something to fill the gap until the right car arrives, take a look at the Outlander PHEV. It's possible to do 90%+ of your driving in EV mode (we do almost all our city driving and commuting as an EV), it's not small, it's capable in snow/mud/gravel driving, and comes in at a very reasonable price.
If you can have electronic wing "mirrors", I don't get why they aren't positioned in front of you in your main field of vision, so you don't have to move your head or take your eyes off the road.
For the same reason that Bobby complained about the positioning of the driver size monitor - too many people are used to looking in the direction of the old fashioned mirrors (as muscle-memory etc) - so putting the images somewhere else is confusing. From what I could tell, the main issue with the Audi positioning was that they were too low (unlike the Honda ones which were at the same level as the mirrors would have been). The passenger side one is probably not so bad because the distance from the driver means even if you look at the mirror, you can see the monitor - but this is not the case for the driver side (you have to look down, instead of looking out).
I’ve watched a few RUclipss from a guy who owns the suv e-tron. He hates the mirror cameras. Clearly rushed, not enough r&d. Especially when you see how well Honda executed on theirs.
Robert, please, you drive an expensive Tesla and drove an even more expensive Tesla before that. We are all different or we would all drive electric smart cars.
I heard on the Inside EVs podcast that the advantage of the e-tron during charging is that is will a high rate of charge almost all the way to full. So yes, its inefficient, but it will recharge quickly. They recommend that journalists should not only mention the peak recharge rate, but how long the car can charge at that high rate. Most cars will only take their peak charge when the battery is almost empty, then quickly lower their charge rate, resulting in a long wait to get to, say, 80%. But I think Audi built the e-tron to charge as quickly as possible, which make explain their weirdly low range from such a big battery. Good review though!
We have the '19 SUV, as long as 150KW chargers are on the route stops are fast enough and it's nice to get out of the car a little more frequently than when driving a long range ICE car. I need a stop after 300 miles even in a premium ICE car. Bjorn called the e-tron a tie with his early Model X on the 1000 Km challenge.
Thanks for the review of the wing camera screens. They looked good from the camera position, but it is of course impossible to see what they are like when actually driving with them.
Why do we have these cars? Because people buy them! Blaming carmakers for SUVs like this is like blaming McDonalds there are too many McDonalds around. When there is a demand a company is more than happy to serve it. I really dont get this mindset of people who blame carmakers. If everyone bought small cars carmakers would make more small cars. But people dont. Its you the consumer who commands the market, not the companies that make the products.
@@marcsimmonds5483 But not if they don't sell them. Anyway its a free market, people can buy whatever they want. Even if that for some reason annoys tesla drivers.
Petrol Hyndai Kona : 4.3 L/100 km Petrol Audi Q8: 12.1 L/100 km Audi uses 3 times more fuel, that's why it uses 2 times more electricity as well. Audi just can't change physics!
Good morning Robert. You summed it up with your comments about the Audi E-Tron 55 Quattro. We should be driving 🚘 an Acrimotto, will have 2023 in Australia.
I saw Doug DeMuro's review of this car..he reckoned the sportback was a little more aerodynamic than the non-sportback equivalent,so had a little more range..
Well done Robert, the video has a great chance to convince many luxury SUV buyers to give this a go. When is Jezza getting an EV according to the predictions made a couple of years ago?
Glad that Robert commented about the video cameras replacing the wing mirrors. Not allowed yet in the USA, so these are thge first I have seen in a production car. I can see several potential disadvantages, not the least of which is the cost of fixing one of the camera stalks if it gets damaged. Do they fold in like mirrors do?
As usual Robert you gave your honest clear opinion of the subject. I get that you did not like the hulk of this car. Something I would love to see you cover is how these electric cars perform in accidents. I would love to get some insight into how the various models compare and how they compare to ICE cars. Not just survival of occupants, etc. but how repairable the cars are, insurance rates etc. Thanks again for your channel.
I agree about the cost of vehicles and also about efficiency… Cars are really crazy things when you think about it… So much so though, that I think it’s a quandary between compact size and the benefits of larger size. I think a happy medium might be to make cars longer, but perhaps relatively less tall and wide. This isn’t much good in the city, but on the road doesn’t effect efficiency as much and brings the benefits of roominess and potentially comfort. Larger cars are generally safer for occupants in collisions. That’s one good argument for larger cars. Larger vehicles are generally also more comfortable, both in terms of interior space and ride quality, than smaller cars. This is in itself also a safety factor, as a quieter and more comfortable driving experience is less fatiguing on the driver. Smaller cars could be made more comfortable in terms of NVH refinement, but generally aren’t, because they are usually made cheaply with refinement a middling priority, and are generally made for a market that currently focuses on sporty handling rather than comfort. Active safety features are also a good argument for more expensive cars, although in my opinion the best available and technologically possible of these should be made standard and mandatory for all vehicles.
Another very good video and I share your view that it's a very, very big and energy inefficient car - which defeats the object for me. I'm sure those people with enough money to buy one will find it easy to justify having one though. I think the really sad thing is that most of them will only ever have one person in them ....... 😕
That is a nice looking EV. The more manufacturers that produce EVs the better. After owning EVs for 7 years we, have never looked back at ICE dinosaurs. Regards Donald Balanecki
@13:30 that type of Instavolt charger has a rotating top section so the charging cable is in effect longer and enables charging ports on either side of a car to be reached.
I like large boxy cars, but this doesn't tick those boxes for me really. The external looks are very unexciting. I like the level of tech though I agree with Robert that the wing-cameras need more work. Those are ripe for being ripped off. I don't have as much of an issue with the efficiency as I do with the fact they didn't compensate with a larger battery. Range is only just ok if 200 miles is to be believed. And of course the price is rather high.
Try parking it next to a Ford Sierra, Vauxhall Cavalier or Volvo 244, which all were criticized at the time for having "high loading lips" and this will probably be even higher.
Cars have just become massive now. I had a walk around a Kona and it seemed very big on the outside but not exactly big on the inside. I'm impressed by the technology but SUV design does nothing for me. I saw an 80's estate car at a dealers recently, think it was a Astra the very square shaped one. Damn it was actually a really small car considering it was an estate.
SUV design???? its called a crossover.... or an estate raised a few centimeters.... And all the bitching, since you hate to be followers of trends from the USA... SMH....
Totally agree with you on electric cars going leaner! Maybe Citroen went too far that road with Ami (i'd be delighted to have your thoughts on that) but something between Ami and Zoe would be my thing.
At the beginning of your presentation you used the charge port on the near side. Then when charging you used one on the off side so I assume it has two charge ports? So, why use on on the off side ??
Love the review but the question is. If we all buy EV's what would be the carbon footprint be from factories making batteries and us as consumers charging. Would it offset the emissions more effectively than ICE?
Of course it's a heavy car that subsequently needs lots of energy, but a silent SUV that doesn't pollute our urban areas even more than they already are is still a win for all of us. The SUV hype won't disappear any time soon, so let's get people to switch to electric SUVs :) and the e-tron is just beautifully crafted, what an absolutely stunning car.
The world is really going to change when the manufactures figure out that if they just made AN car with 200 miles of range for under $20k, without all the bells and whistles, so they can use a smaller battery, they'd sell them faster than they can print the receipts.
After test driving this and a model Y which I believe compares more favorably (size) other than price point, the Audi felt too similar to their ICE lineup. The performance paled in comparison to Tesla, less range and I missed the one pedal braking of Tesla. I have a hunch Audi is going to build in some “needed” expensive service visits too. You’re paying a premium for the logo, air suspension, quieter cabin and “fit and finish.” They better hope project Artemis helps them catch up quickly.
Robert, I felt that your disinterest in this car really showed, I realise you might not believe in this type of vehicle but it deserves a fair review, or ask someone else to review it. Love the show keep up the great work!
You compared this Audi E-tron to the Tesla Model X. Why not the Model Y, which is significantly less expensive than the X? The Y is still in the same class as the Audi, with 10% more cargo space, and the Y is even more efficient than the X (and the Audi) in terms of miles per Watt hour. Probably fair you can't compare to the Y because it isn't available in Europe yet, but I'm driving one in the US, and it is an Audi AND a model X killer. It doesn't have the traditional distracting "luxurious" push buttons and fiddly things you might find in the Audi or the X. But all the functionality is there, like automatic tailgate, superb navigation, all heated seats, autopilot lane keeping functions, etc. In any case, nice review, and I look forward to you someday reviewing a Y....when it's no longer vaporware in Europe!
Ah, the Seven Meadows Road in Stratford upon Avon. I didn't know I'd have a chance to wave at Robert - I must keep an eye out for him whilst walking around the town!
Too bad you didn't find a HPC charger because apparently the etron is a charge monster, going at 90kW even way above 80% and of course even faster before that soc.
As an Audi TT driver I'm looking forward to the electric version of the TT (we already have a Zappi installed!). I'd be interested to know if you've heard anything about it recently?
Rob, in theory we should all be driving a VW e-up. The same argument over size - weight can be said for the most fuel efficient Range Rover, 7 series, Sclass, Q7 even the Model X and model S. Size means more weight unless you can afford a carbon fibre mclaren/ferrari
I own the regular e-tron and its a great car, however I agree with Roberts points. The reason I got it? I have a dog, need a big boot and at the time couldn’t find a full EV equivalent to my previous Passat Estate. The kicker was that as a company car driver it was cheaper for me to take the vastly expensive Audi compared to a hybrid or fossil fuel estate car, purely due to the fact that company car tax for these vehicles is 0% compared to 16% on other vehicles.
Oh, and I would stay that the onboard software and user experience is far from slick. Too fiddly and the onboard systems do get in the way, I regularly swear because the lane assist has kicked in and I have forgotten to turn it off (which I have to do every trip because you cannot permanently disable it).
@@arthurrobey4945 True story - anyway the etron buyer was going to buy a Q5 or 7 anyway - so it's only a £15-20k premium spec for spec -- and will be worth a lot more than £15k more in 5 years.
You're not the first person to observe how much they hated the position of the Audi e-Quattro rear vision screens. They're relatively tiny & placed far too low down. I actually think that they encourage the driver to take their eyes off of the road for far too long, partly as you so rightly pointed out Robert, because their placement is counterintuitive.
not to be that person but your charging cable was wrapped around the other one I don't know how much longer it would have got but it definitely would have got a little bit longer LOL love the videos though keep up the good work hopefully someday I'll be able to get an electric car
The biggest flaw in this vehicle for me (beside the price) is unfortunately the Public network, if an EV is going to be your main car then contemplating charging this 95KW capacity car on our Uk Public Network just brings me out in a cold sweat, having owned a Model S and driven it from Chester to Switzerland via France and Germany with absolutely no anxiety whatsoever using the Supercharger network I imagine doing the same journey in this vehicle would be a nightmare... And I speak from experience as my new EV is the Peugeot e208. And I find most channels doing these EV videos seem to not mention this aspect of an EV, almost as if the manufacturers have said.....’yes you can have the car for a few days....but don’t mention how bad the UK charging network is please.....’. I am lucky, my e208 is a weekend car and when sunny is being charged all week by my solar panels so I very rarely use the public network... fortunately.
This is the Hummer of Electric cars.. especially in the UK. It's amazing how he thinks this thing is huge. What would he think of a Ford F-350?!? You can almost part the Audi in it's bed!
street sizes are different between European cities and American ones, Top Gear or The Grand Tour (or both) have done a bit with driving your average American Pickup truck driving through UK village streets and it was in some places quite a hassle. not only that, a Ford F-350 is useless in most places on the European continent since the thing is too large for most parking spaces, probably can't stay in its lane while making 90 degree turns (if it can make the turn in the first place), fuel inefficient (fuel prices are a bit higher than in the US), road tax would probably be huge due to weight.
Bobby, when you parked this e-tron upto the new style instavolt charger and complained about the cable length. You obviously don't know that the top of these charge points where the cable attaches to the unit actually swings out so the cable is effectively 3 feet longer than you had it. Please demonstrate this in future videos, not many people know this.
Watching from America...thinking that this is a tiny suv, not big. My model Y with 100kw does 280 realistically but displays up to 317. My model Y does 0-60 in 4.8s, and I can buy the over the air upgrade to 4.2. This audi is overall lackluster in performance and design for the price.
@@alanmay7929 Y has double glass insulation as of last week. Has as much storage as well. Y will leave it for dust at lights and on the Autobahn. And before you go on about build quality. All the previous generation e-trons were recalled if i remember correctly
@@colinpalmer9070 talking build quality, tesla comes right from the factory with issues already, so many people are disappointed and in china teslas are been recalled
Great review. I also don't get why cars have to get bigger and bigger. The Hummer EV is the latest example of that trend. Small feedback @17:51 "km" is more common, not "kms". "kms" looks more like km * s (kilometer multiplied by seconds) :)
Actually, it’s not that “km” is more common it’s just that “kms” is completely technically incorrect in this context! There is no pluralisation of units of measure in the metric system and “kms” would actually mean “kilometre seconds”.
Nice video. Don´t forget that Tesla didn´t start with the small and cheap M3 either. Hopefully Audi will come with a couple of "normal" models soon, even though some people want this kind of car.
This was an amazing video and I couldn’t stop jamming to the music. The music was absolutely the best part of this video and I loved it. Could I get links to the names of these songs because I want to listen to the whole of them.
Looks really nice but I honestly see ZERO point in virtual wing mirrors if they're going to have those stupid stalks sticking out instead. Just gives the car more points of failure and makes the repairs more expensive.
thank you for calling it a 'fastback' that's a better term for this new class of SUV. coupe just makes no sense for vehicle with 4 doors (whether they're frameless or not)
My model Y gets 3.5 - 4 miles per kWhr, 200 litres more storage, much quicker, 1300 lbs less, handles great, a lot less money. Know you can't get them there yet of course but you'll love it... and they'll be better than mine with the new battery.
Robert, having lived for some time in Australia, you would be familiar with the Aus obsession with large cars like V8's and 4WD's (like the Landcruiser & the Nissan Patrol). Would this larger EV probably be more appealing to "ordinary Australians" that want to replace their 4x4 than tiny cars like the Honda E, Zoe or the eNiro?
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Robert's at the fabulous Caffeine & Machine near Stratford-Upon-Avon for this review of the Audi E-Tron 55 Quattro Sportsback! This spectacularly luxurious, powerful and very big SUV is certainly nice to drive, but it's also heavy and uses a lot of energy meaning you don't get much range for your 95 kWh battery. It offers complex, next generation technology but with a price tag of around £85,000 there's no doubt that this is an expensive car. If you're an Audi driver looking to make the switch to electric this could be the car for you, but it's worth remembering there are cheaper, more powerful EVs on the market worth looking at.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Caffeine & (a mean) Machine
1:09 Audi E-Tron Sportback
2:19 Power, Charging Speed & Rate
3:01 Hidden Frunk
3:40 Intelligent Lights
4:22 Battery & Range
5:40 Roomy in the Rear
7:08 Big Old Boot
8:41 Impressive Performance in Stratford
10:03 Instrumentation & Efficiency
13:15 Charging at a Stretch
14:42 Wing Cameras
16:17 Touchscreen, Haptic Feedback
17:19 What Does It Compete With?
18:17 Where Are The Cheaper Cars?
19:25 Subscribe & Support
Just came here for the sound effects... jolly good...
Enjoyed the review.... but blaming its size on a "legacy mindset" and then comparing it to a model X was comical :)
6:00 The reason cars like this are so expensive, big and inefficient is because the Audi customer isn't buying a mode of transport, they are buying a peacocks tail. It's a form of costly signaling where they spend resources on showing off their ability to spend resources on showing off.
Audi might see like dinosaurs, but they make cars like this because they understand their customers.
That's the thing...They can't make them competitively priced because they're not making them efficiently in mass numbers and are way behind on EV technology.
That's the thing... Is most ppl just repeat the same pointless memes... SMH...
So, who’s gonna tell Robert that the ChargePoint station he was at has a swinging arm, that extends the cable reach further. 😜
Nah I'm good, you tell him. 😉
I think you just did :)
I think that was the point. 😆
Quite surprised that Robert doesn't know about the swinging arm. Probably lot's of people are unaware of this function.
He opened a charge port on the passenger side at the beginning of the review.
Although I would never buy such a large energy thirsty luxury car. I am glad Audi is building one that runs on electricity instead of gasoline or diesel. Each one sold, is one less fossil fuel car on the road.
People should buy what they like and not be forced into tiny “econoboxes” just because something smaller can get better mileage.
@@aussie2uGA True - but I think the rant was aimed more at Audi, because there isn't anything inherent in that luxo-barge that justifies the piss-poor economy (especially given it has pretty good aero). Sure, it won't get the level of efficiency of a tiny econo-box, but the fact that e.g. Tesla Model X gets significantly better mileage despite having worse aero (iirc) shows how poor the Audi is.
The equation changes when you have a fuel guzzling SUV but you can make your own fuel at home
Some "large" and "luxury" cars are more efficient than some smaller cheaper cars. The whole obsession with small=cheap dates back to the piston age. EVs don't work like that, its more about drivetrain and aerodynamics than size or luxury being evil
@@logicalChimp The e-tron/ e-tron Sportback is the first real BEV from Audi. Hence they started with a big luxury SUV. It's easier to build than a smaller car, so you can gain experience without much risk.
But the Audi Q4 e-tron will be released soon, it's much smaller and - hopefully - more efficient. In 5 years almost every ICE Audi will have a BEV equivalent.
In my opinion, Audi is ahead of BMW and Mercedes.
Range Rover from the 1980’s has a fuel economy in the range of 20-25 l/100km. Energy equivalent is 200-250kWh/100km. This Audi is 20-25 kWh/100km. This electron guzzling monster still has better mileage than a Prius.
SHOUT-OUT to the SPIDER that was crawling on Bob's right shoulder when he got in the back seat (5 min 54 seconds in) :) !!!
I spotted that, funny :)
Great spot Wotjek! 👏👏👏
Gotta fend off the Biden fly somehow ;)
got one here in Norway and I cant stress enough how nice this car drives! hope everyone can test drive it
Not enough oil here for me to afford it...
@@bugsygoo lol :D touché
What car did you had before this one?
@@DS-pk4eh I had a Tesla S, and before that a Audi Q5 ( the Q5 was an older model but still a amazing Audi IMO)
And if you have been, thank you for presenting
Thanks for the wellmade video, but guys, what I'm often missing: please show the trunk with seats down, because I want to see, if there is a bump or not !
I believe it's good to have these kind of EVs. There are just many wealthy ppl who like to have big, luxurious cars and better they get an electric one than an ICE car.
So nice to see the warm sunshine of summer as I look out on a miserable rainy October day...
Spider Alarm at 5:52 :O
Oh damn, good spot!
Fully agree with your assessment on private car ownership and usage. We've all been marketed into having our own vehicles. In urban areas car sharing schemes like ZipCar need to become commonplace. Parking issues in urban areas aren't because there are too many vehicles, it's because there are too many not being used.
True.
Your owned car is literally sitting there costing you in money and depreciation. Car sharing is a novel way of paying for what you use and not having the costs of the car sitting idle.
In these environmental times it makes sense to share ownership of small cars.
Like now, if you have a small car you hire a van for the one day you move a lot of stuff. You don't buy a van for the once in a blue moon time you need to move lots of stuff.
This is where electric cars come into their own. You buy a small city one, and hire a vehicle for your annual trip to Devon.
You have to understand that there are two groups of people when we talk about cars.
The ones that love driving, love their card, and want to OWN them. It is about passion. A hobby. Even identity.
And there are the ones that see them as just another utility service for transport from point A to point B.
To each group it's own. We should understand and respect each other.
I’m really looking forward to the Q4 e-tron. Smaller and more efficient built on the MEB platform. Let’s see what Audi can do with an EV that isn’t based on an ICE platform.
Thank you for this video, it looks stunning. Besides that congratulations on the infographics, the look beautiful and flush and add to the whole experience.
Thank you so much!
Because some of us
like big luxurious cars and I am one of them, impressive vehicle
Boomer attitude ruining this planet for everyone else
My Renault Zoe ZE50 does a minimum of 4.3miles KWh. Which I am very pleased with and a range of 220 miles,
You are getting better at being more organized and technicall in the review. I also liked the overlayed data! Cheers from an Electronic Engineer in Argentina!
I told my local Audi dealer I won't buy another Audi until they sell cars that do 600 to 1000 klm per charge. I love everything else about their vehicles. I don't want to be charging my vehicle every 3 hours.
May be next 5-7 years that might be a possibility. Legacy automakers need to work on battery tech first or buy tesla's
that just means you are carrying a huge battery around for no reason most of the time.. I mean 1000km in the uk means driving for 7 hours are you really not going to be taking a 35 minute break in that time?
You'll be waiting a while then
@@mralistair737 He may not be in the UK. In the US or Australia, you definitely need the range unless the charging stations can be expanded quickly.
@@aussie2uGA even then it's still carrying a big fat battery that is pointless 99% of the time... and adds a lot to the cost of the car. and on major roads the charging stations are getting better... saying "i wont buy an audi until teh charging infrastructure is as good as teslas" would at least have some logic.
You may have been complaining about it Robert but you still had a massive smile on your face. People still want massive 4x4's , better they buy one of these than a Range Rover or Q8
The yellow band around the driver's "mirror", to warn you are being overtaken, @ 12:16 is a nice touch.
Why is there no overview from the interior in the beginning. And in the whole video only small pieces of the interior are showed now and then....
About the wing cameras: They simply have put the monitors in the completely wrong spot. It should be somewhere in the A-pillar, basically. The Honda-e does it right. That still has the problem of a flat 2D picture not feeling the same as a real mirror, of course. Thankfully, if you truly want the much too heavy and inefficient E-Tron, you can get it with real mirrors, too.
I'm curious to see how those side mirrors perform at night. Is there an ISO boost that would let you see stuff you wouldn't have been able to pick up on with a normal mirror? Also how well do they handle the headlights of the car behind?
@@Shiftarrr AFAIK, there's no real ISO boost, but there's auto-brightness. But that doesn't make them better than auto-darkening real mirrors when you're blinded by someone behind you.
It's about 200mm longer and 85mm wider than a model 3 Tesla, so not a vast amount bigger. More like the size of a model S.
However, judging by the reliability surveys, the Audi will be running like new after 100K miles, but the Tesla will have been in the garage 100 times.
I feel like he didn't really show us the car, He just told us about it. It could as well been a radio thing.
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Great review as always. But to complain about the efficiency is not fair. Of course the model 3 is more efficient. It’s like comparing a Audi Q7 to an Audi A4.
The Instavolt cable swings out on an arm at the top, so no need to have parked so badly Bobby 😂
10:30 Would be really nice to have this kind of number converted as an overlay on the video, for viewers in other countries that have no feeling at all for "miles to the kWh". I know I can google it, but doing that several times in each episode is quite disruptive to the viewing experience. And if possible, please do this as a standard for all numbers mentioned and/or appearing in the video, that could possibly have some of your international viewers lost and confused. I.e. km/miles, gallons/liters, pounds/kg, feet/meters, and all the combinations like miles/kWh versus kWh/km (or per 100 km). I know I'm asking a lot, but I just think it's much less effort (and a bit less energy 😉) spent overall if this is done once in video editing rather than several thousand times by every viewer that wants to know what you're on about.
And more cars with 2 or 3 doors please! Loved the production on this film btw.
New Zealand government just ordered a few of these Audi etrons to replace their BMW 7 series fleet.
Really? I know they tested BMW hybrids a while back, but didn’t know if they had confirmed which route they were going. Some safety concerns regarding quiet cars in Wellington streets and pedestrians potentially getting hit was the last I read.
@@NDFilmNZ maybe pedestrians should look first !
@@NDFilmNZ They ordered 3 "55's" so far. Two of these will serve to shuttle ministers between Wellington Airport and the government’s parliament, while the third with baby seat will be placed in service in Ardern’s home town of Auckland 🍼😂.
Please let you neighbours in Australia know about it. Their government seems to be coughing in (coal & ash) dust!
As a person who drives a discovery 4 which eats so much fuel, i can understand this car.
I love my car but the guilt is killing me
Until the capabilities can rival a Disco 4 and the prices remain unrealistic to the masses, guilt is your friend for a while longer 😂
@@willwonka1325 about six months.
Thanks guy that really helps. lol
Switch over, you won't regret it. If you need something to fill the gap until the right car arrives, take a look at the Outlander PHEV. It's possible to do 90%+ of your driving in EV mode (we do almost all our city driving and commuting as an EV), it's not small, it's capable in snow/mud/gravel driving, and comes in at a very reasonable price.
I like the new intros with the "this is that, that is this, and this is Fully Charged." good stuff!
I test drived it and LOVE IT. I am waiting to see how different the Q4 etron will be. What I like about the Q4 is that the range is way better.
Good job Robert. Positive but realistic. Calling out inefficiency and good comparison to competition in the same band.
If you can have electronic wing "mirrors", I don't get why they aren't positioned in front of you in your main field of vision, so you don't have to move your head or take your eyes off the road.
For the same reason that Bobby complained about the positioning of the driver size monitor - too many people are used to looking in the direction of the old fashioned mirrors (as muscle-memory etc) - so putting the images somewhere else is confusing.
From what I could tell, the main issue with the Audi positioning was that they were too low (unlike the Honda ones which were at the same level as the mirrors would have been). The passenger side one is probably not so bad because the distance from the driver means even if you look at the mirror, you can see the monitor - but this is not the case for the driver side (you have to look down, instead of looking out).
I’ve watched a few RUclipss from a guy who owns the suv e-tron. He hates the mirror cameras. Clearly rushed, not enough r&d. Especially when you see how well Honda executed on theirs.
You’ve gotta love Robert @14:10 “Big big luxury upper posh class car!” Always makes me smile.
Robert, please, you drive an expensive Tesla and drove an even more expensive Tesla before that. We are all different or we would all drive electric smart cars.
You're the only reviewer to recognize how expensive those lights can be to replace. I'd be guessing about $4k USD minimum PER SIDE.
I heard on the Inside EVs podcast that the advantage of the e-tron during charging is that is will a high rate of charge almost all the way to full. So yes, its inefficient, but it will recharge quickly. They recommend that journalists should not only mention the peak recharge rate, but how long the car can charge at that high rate. Most cars will only take their peak charge when the battery is almost empty, then quickly lower their charge rate, resulting in a long wait to get to, say, 80%. But I think Audi built the e-tron to charge as quickly as possible, which make explain their weirdly low range from such a big battery.
Good review though!
We have the '19 SUV, as long as 150KW chargers are on the route stops are fast enough and it's nice to get out of the car a little more frequently than when driving a long range ICE car. I need a stop after 300 miles even in a premium ICE car. Bjorn called the e-tron a tie with his early Model X on the 1000 Km challenge.
Thanks for the review of the wing camera screens. They looked good from the camera position, but it is of course impossible to see what they are like when actually driving with them.
Terrible in bright sunlight
Robert, I always look forward, to you doing a car review. This one I just enjoyed, the most. Thankyou.
Why do we have these cars? Because people buy them!
Blaming carmakers for SUVs like this is like blaming McDonalds there are too many McDonalds around. When there is a demand a company is more than happy to serve it.
I really dont get this mindset of people who blame carmakers. If everyone bought small cars carmakers would make more small cars. But people dont.
Its you the consumer who commands the market, not the companies that make the products.
Carmakers make more money out of big cars.
@@marcsimmonds5483 But not if they don't sell them. Anyway its a free market, people can buy whatever they want. Even if that for some reason annoys tesla drivers.
Petrol Hyndai Kona : 4.3 L/100 km
Petrol Audi Q8: 12.1 L/100 km
Audi uses 3 times more fuel, that's why it uses 2 times more electricity as well. Audi just can't change physics!
.. and if you fold the back seats of the Audi as well as the mirrors of the kona, the Kona fits inside the Audi!
Good morning Robert. You summed it up with your comments about the Audi E-Tron 55 Quattro. We should be driving 🚘 an Acrimotto, will have 2023 in Australia.
I just love editors of fullycharged Show...more than Robert..😉
I saw Doug DeMuro's review of this car..he reckoned the sportback was a little more aerodynamic than the non-sportback equivalent,so had a little more range..
Just discovered this channel Robert and I love it. The best one for ev's in my opinion and there are lots of course.
I like it best when Robert does the review. Thanks, Robert
Well done Robert, the video has a great chance to convince many luxury SUV buyers to give this a go. When is Jezza getting an EV according to the predictions made a couple of years ago?
Glad that Robert commented about the video cameras replacing the wing mirrors. Not allowed yet in the USA, so these are thge first I have seen in a production car. I can see several potential disadvantages, not the least of which is the cost of fixing one of the camera stalks if it gets damaged. Do they fold in like mirrors do?
Was that a spider 🕷️ running down your shoulder at 5:50?? 😳
Its nice to see some bigger luxury EVs coming out to compliment the smaller town cars which there's already quite a selection of.
As usual Robert you gave your honest clear opinion of the subject. I get that you did not like the hulk of this car. Something I would love to see you cover is how these electric cars perform in accidents. I would love to get some insight into how the various models compare and how they compare to ICE cars. Not just survival of occupants, etc. but how repairable the cars are, insurance rates etc. Thanks again for your channel.
I agree about the cost of vehicles and also about efficiency… Cars are really crazy things when you think about it… So much so though, that I think it’s a quandary between compact size and the benefits of larger size. I think a happy medium might be to make cars longer, but perhaps relatively less tall and wide. This isn’t much good in the city, but on the road doesn’t effect efficiency as much and brings the benefits of roominess and potentially comfort. Larger cars are generally safer for occupants in collisions. That’s one good argument for larger cars. Larger vehicles are generally also more comfortable, both in terms of interior space and ride quality, than smaller cars. This is in itself also a safety factor, as a quieter and more comfortable driving experience is less fatiguing on the driver. Smaller cars could be made more comfortable in terms of NVH refinement, but generally aren’t, because they are usually made cheaply with refinement a middling priority, and are generally made for a market that currently focuses on sporty handling rather than comfort. Active safety features are also a good argument for more expensive cars, although in my opinion the best available and technologically possible of these should be made standard and mandatory for all vehicles.
Another very good video and I share your view that it's a very, very big and energy inefficient car - which defeats the object for me. I'm sure those people with enough money to buy one will find it easy to justify having one though. I think the really sad thing is that most of them will only ever have one person in them ....... 😕
It's is exponentially more efficient than gas. Even if it's not efficient
From 5:54 onwards, I was watching for the spider to re-appear.
That is a nice looking EV. The more manufacturers that produce EVs the better. After owning EVs for 7 years we, have never looked back at ICE dinosaurs. Regards Donald Balanecki
@13:30 that type of Instavolt charger has a rotating top section so the charging cable is in effect longer and enables charging ports on either side of a car to be reached.
I like large boxy cars, but this doesn't tick those boxes for me really. The external looks are very unexciting. I like the level of tech though I agree with Robert that the wing-cameras need more work. Those are ripe for being ripped off. I don't have as much of an issue with the efficiency as I do with the fact they didn't compensate with a larger battery. Range is only just ok if 200 miles is to be believed. And of course the price is rather high.
You have to get with the executive mindset, Robert.
Audi Q4 e-tron and e-tron sportback will be available next year (a posh VW ID.4!!)
Try parking it next to a Ford Sierra, Vauxhall Cavalier or Volvo 244, which all were criticized at the time for having "high loading lips" and this will probably be even higher.
Cars have just become massive now.
I had a walk around a Kona and it seemed very big on the outside but not exactly big on the inside. I'm impressed by the technology but SUV design does nothing for me.
I saw an 80's estate car at a dealers recently, think it was a Astra the very square shaped one. Damn it was actually a really small car considering it was an estate.
SUV design???? its called a crossover.... or an estate raised a few centimeters....
And all the bitching, since you hate to be followers of trends from the USA... SMH....
Totally agree with you on electric cars going leaner! Maybe Citroen went too far that road with Ami (i'd be delighted to have your thoughts on that) but something between Ami and Zoe would be my thing.
At the beginning of your presentation you used the charge port on the near side. Then when charging you used one on the off side so I assume it has two charge ports?
So, why use on on the off side ??
One side has CCS aswell, the other doesn't
Love the review but the question is. If we all buy EV's what would be the carbon footprint be from factories making batteries and us as consumers charging. Would it offset the emissions more effectively than ICE?
Of course it's a heavy car that subsequently needs lots of energy, but a silent SUV that doesn't pollute our urban areas even more than they already are is still a win for all of us. The SUV hype won't disappear any time soon, so let's get people to switch to electric SUVs :) and the e-tron is just beautifully crafted, what an absolutely stunning car.
The world is really going to change when the manufactures figure out that if they just made AN car with 200 miles of range for under $20k, without all the bells and whistles, so they can use a smaller battery, they'd sell them faster than they can print the receipts.
Another bland looking silver Audi with black interior, I think Audi owners will love it ;-).
Looks too sporty and edgy for my taste.
After test driving this and a model Y which I believe compares more favorably (size) other than price point, the Audi felt too similar to their ICE lineup. The performance paled in comparison to Tesla, less range and I missed the one pedal braking of Tesla. I have a hunch Audi is going to build in some “needed” expensive service visits too. You’re paying a premium for the logo, air suspension, quieter cabin and “fit and finish.” They better hope project Artemis helps them catch up quickly.
Robert, I felt that your disinterest in this car really showed, I realise you might not believe in this type of vehicle but it deserves a fair review, or ask someone else to review it. Love the show keep up the great work!
This is an unwinnable war I am afraid, we’re regularly criticised for never being critical.
You compared this Audi E-tron to the Tesla Model X. Why not the Model Y, which is significantly less expensive than the X? The Y is still in the same class as the Audi, with 10% more cargo space, and the Y is even more efficient than the X (and the Audi) in terms of miles per Watt hour. Probably fair you can't compare to the Y because it isn't available in Europe yet, but I'm driving one in the US, and it is an Audi AND a model X killer. It doesn't have the traditional distracting "luxurious" push buttons and fiddly things you might find in the Audi or the X. But all the functionality is there, like automatic tailgate, superb navigation, all heated seats, autopilot lane keeping functions, etc.
In any case, nice review, and I look forward to you someday reviewing a Y....when it's no longer vaporware in Europe!
Ah, the Seven Meadows Road in Stratford upon Avon. I didn't know I'd have a chance to wave at Robert - I must keep an eye out for him whilst walking around the town!
No spiders were harmed in the making of this episode.
Too bad you didn't find a HPC charger because apparently the etron is a charge monster, going at 90kW even way above 80% and of course even faster before that soc.
Honda E got the wing camera right :)
As an Audi TT driver I'm looking forward to the electric version of the TT (we already have a Zappi installed!). I'd be interested to know if you've heard anything about it recently?
Rob, in theory we should all be driving a VW e-up. The same argument over size - weight can be said for the most fuel efficient Range Rover, 7 series, Sclass, Q7 even the Model X and model S. Size means more weight unless you can afford a carbon fibre mclaren/ferrari
I own the regular e-tron and its a great car, however I agree with Roberts points. The reason I got it? I have a dog, need a big boot and at the time couldn’t find a full EV equivalent to my previous Passat Estate. The kicker was that as a company car driver it was cheaper for me to take the vastly expensive Audi compared to a hybrid or fossil fuel estate car, purely due to the fact that company car tax for these vehicles is 0% compared to 16% on other vehicles.
Oh, and I would stay that the onboard software and user experience is far from slick. Too fiddly and the onboard systems do get in the way, I regularly swear because the lane assist has kicked in and I have forgotten to turn it off (which I have to do every trip because you cannot permanently disable it).
£85k? What a bargain. I'll make that back in petrol savings in 70 years
Your petrol will run out way before then. Ghawar is sucking water
@@arthurrobey4945 True story - anyway the etron buyer was going to buy a Q5 or 7 anyway - so it's only a £15-20k premium spec for spec -- and will be worth a lot more than £15k more in 5 years.
@A N Other Model S for me.
Crazy prices. Then again BMW sent an email earlier offering £25-30k off the price of a new 7 series.
"I'll make that back" is POINTLESS for a Audi. Gas Guzzling V6 & V8 ain't cheap.
You're not the first person to observe how much they hated the position of the Audi e-Quattro rear vision screens. They're relatively tiny & placed far too low down. I actually think that they encourage the driver to take their eyes off of the road for far too long, partly as you so rightly pointed out Robert, because their placement is counterintuitive.
not to be that person but your charging cable was wrapped around the other one I don't know how much longer it would have got but it definitely would have got a little bit longer LOL love the videos though keep up the good work hopefully someday I'll be able to get an electric car
The biggest flaw in this vehicle for me (beside the price) is unfortunately the Public network, if an EV is going to be your main car then contemplating charging this 95KW capacity car on our Uk Public Network just brings me out in a cold sweat, having owned a Model S and driven it from Chester to Switzerland via France and Germany with absolutely no anxiety whatsoever using the Supercharger network I imagine doing the same journey in this vehicle would be a nightmare... And I speak from experience as my new EV is the Peugeot e208. And I find most channels doing these EV videos seem to not mention this aspect of an EV, almost as if the manufacturers have said.....’yes you can have the car for a few days....but don’t mention how bad the UK charging network is please.....’. I am lucky, my e208 is a weekend car and when sunny is being charged all week by my solar panels so I very rarely use the public network... fortunately.
This is the Hummer of Electric cars.. especially in the UK.
It's amazing how he thinks this thing is huge. What would he think of a Ford F-350?!? You can almost part the Audi in it's bed!
street sizes are different between European cities and American ones, Top Gear or The Grand Tour (or both) have done a bit with driving your average American Pickup truck driving through UK village streets and it was in some places quite a hassle.
not only that, a Ford F-350 is useless in most places on the European continent since the thing is too large for most parking spaces, probably can't stay in its lane while making 90 degree turns (if it can make the turn in the first place), fuel inefficient (fuel prices are a bit higher than in the US), road tax would probably be huge due to weight.
Hummer EV does 350 Miles on 200kwh, very interesting atleast it's realisitc.
its amusing how a yank based joke.... is taken seriously in euroworld.. and then feels the need to rant about it :)
Bobby, when you parked this e-tron upto the new style instavolt charger and complained about the cable length. You obviously don't know that the top of these charge points where the cable attaches to the unit actually swings out so the cable is effectively 3 feet longer than you had it. Please demonstrate this in future videos, not many people know this.
Watching from America...thinking that this is a tiny suv, not big. My model Y with 100kw does 280 realistically but displays up to 317. My model Y does 0-60 in 4.8s, and I can buy the over the air upgrade to 4.2. This audi is overall lackluster in performance and design for the price.
The audi totally nails it in quality and refinement with double glass isolation, luxury/massage.....
@A N Other thats what she said......
@@alanmay7929 Y has double glass insulation as of last week. Has as much storage as well. Y will leave it for dust at lights and on the Autobahn. And before you go on about build quality. All the previous generation e-trons were recalled if i remember correctly
@@colinpalmer9070 talking build quality, tesla comes right from the factory with issues already, so many people are disappointed and in china teslas are been recalled
I think the charger you used swivels at the top to give you more length for the cable?
Great review. I also don't get why cars have to get bigger and bigger. The Hummer EV is the latest example of that trend.
Small feedback @17:51 "km" is more common, not "kms". "kms" looks more like km * s (kilometer multiplied by seconds) :)
Good point. Appreciate the feedback
Actually, it’s not that “km” is more common it’s just that “kms” is completely technically incorrect in this context! There is no pluralisation of units of measure in the metric system and “kms” would actually mean “kilometre seconds”.
Nice video.
Don´t forget that Tesla didn´t start with the small and cheap M3 either.
Hopefully Audi will come with a couple of "normal" models soon, even though some people want this kind of car.
This was an amazing video and I couldn’t stop jamming to the music. The music was absolutely the best part of this video and I loved it. Could I get links to the names of these songs because I want to listen to the whole of them.
A Promise To You by Shimmer at the beginning. Eclipse by Bryant Lowry was the track at 8 minutes on.
@@futureof... thanks m8
5:54 SPIDER!!!!
Looks really nice but I honestly see ZERO point in virtual wing mirrors if they're going to have those stupid stalks sticking out instead. Just gives the car more points of failure and makes the repairs more expensive.
thank you for calling it a 'fastback' that's a better term for this new class of SUV.
coupe just makes no sense for vehicle with 4 doors (whether they're frameless or not)
This is like the alternative to top gear. Very enjoyable and costs me nothing 😀 (ignore my WiFi bill :/ )
You should come to Turkey and have a look at the electric motorbikes we have here in Istanbul
We need these cars so our betters can stand out from the crowd.
Cars like this are luxury items, not a necessity.
My model Y gets 3.5 - 4 miles per kWhr, 200 litres more storage, much quicker, 1300 lbs less, handles great, a lot less money. Know you can't get them there yet of course but you'll love it... and they'll be better than mine with the new battery.
Dejavu! It really remind me the First Presentation of the E-Tron! Why do we need Something Like this?
£85K??? Definitely not worth it
It's got side video mirrors! Nice.
Robert, having lived for some time in Australia, you would be familiar with the Aus obsession with large cars like V8's and 4WD's (like the Landcruiser & the Nissan Patrol). Would this larger EV probably be more appealing to "ordinary Australians" that want to replace their 4x4 than tiny cars like the Honda E, Zoe or the eNiro?
Fantastic video, thanks so much!