Had a KitchenAid from the 80's for 25 years. The rack coating failed in spots but the washer was still working like a champ with its sturdy Hobart motor. Replaced it with a standard Whirlpool model ten years ago. It still cleans very well and without ever having had a service call, so far. K.I.S.S. REALLY ENJOY your videos, btw. Love your style and presentation. Keep them coming.
Kitchen Aid wash motor is of bad quality compared to the sturdy Bosch. I bought Kitchen aid dishwasher KDFE104DSS2. While it performed incredibly well, it broke down after 4 years and will cost more to repair. It also caused damage to my kitchen floor. I would not recommend Kitchen Aid to anyone. To my experience, I had a Bosch in my previous home and that thing is a beast. Bosch 300 or 500(not available due to high demand) are the best. Please DO NOT buy Bosch 800 (their new crystal drying method is a health hazard in the making due to the zeolite crystals in there). Zeolite is not all that great to be used at home(only meant for industrial use)
You might want to also talk about filtration. Kitchenaid, on some models has no filter for the end user to clean or replace. It has an innovative pump system which utilizes a mesh filter to separate soils from the water. Not so good if a large particle tears the filter but something to tell about I think.
Hope it's better than their mixers now-a-days. My first KA lasted forever and then I purchased a new one that broke within a year. They don't make them like they use to.
Excellent and timely video! Yours are the most informative I've found! I've been studying your videos for the past several months, Bosch vs. KitchenAid. Been going back and forth. Was so close to buying the KDTM804 because of the better gliding tracks. Do you think the KDTM604 tracks are almost as durable? Thank you very much. Wish you had a store near me.
To me it's hard to justify the price jump to the 804. No slight on the 804, it's just quite a jump to get there and the 604 is already so feature rich.
Complicated. Normally when someone says that they mean how long will it last in my space without service. Service is going to needed for any dishwasher at any given point. It can happen in 6 days, 6 months, or 6 years. It doesn't mean it's not a good machine and give you plenty of good years, but appliances are not built for longevity nowadays... they are built for convenience. And convenience comes with a price... in the form of longevity. An average life expectancy for a dishwasher is about 7-10 years no matter who you buy and how much you spend on it. Miele probably makes the best machine on the market in terms of build quality because they own almost the entire process in house and still, I'd be hesitant to tell anyone their machine will last longer than 10 years.
After having a Kitchenaid dishwasher for 22 years without a failure and still running I decided it was time for a new updated model Kitchenaid. Funny how things work.
They're so quiet because they have weak water jets and no soft food disposers.. The side vents destroy cabinetry. Whirlpool (the manufacturers of KitchenAid dishwashers) will do nothing about this.
Grew up with a Harvest Gold Kitchenaid. It was still there and working when thechouse sold in 2022. I believe it was over 40 years old. That is a legacy.
Great info!! Just moved, and thinking. I just LOVED my old KitchenAid, which was not new when I got it. Amazing dishwasher, and a workhorse. Much like the 200 Series.
I have a Kitchen Aid DW that is now involved in a Class Action suit. The plastic components dry out and break. This includes the rack wheels that fall off and the upper rack ball bearing fall out enabling the rack to fall down. So I am not understanding this review. Look up the things I have posted here.
That is common with Whirlpool dishwashers. We had a Whirlpool Gold dishwasher from 2006 that had the same problem. KitchenAid dishwashers have been made by Whirlpool for over a decade now. They used to be manufactured by Hobart.
We bought the model that hold cups and glasses on the top rack and VERY sorry we did. It does a terrible job with cups used for tea and milk. It doesn't clean them and we resorted to putting them on the second rack, which does a much better job. Also we put all out knifes on the top rack and they look horrible with some kind of staining that is almost impossible to wash off by hand. They were always fine in our replaced Maytag. The knife blades also got the staining in the basket, but NOT as badly as the top rack. We are using the longest cycle, rinse aid, dry feature and detergent in the prewash section. The top rack spray arms are too weak to really clean anything. I wish we bought the Bosch instead. I'm going to call Kitchen Aid and ask if we can return it for a refund.
I would not be able to recommend a model specifically. What I can tell you is there is usually a small basin on the inside of dishwashers that heats water (roughly 130-160 degrees depending on the model/cycle/etc) but I am not sure how effective that would be if its hooked up to a cold water feed. I would assume not very.
Thanks, great vid. Are there any significant differences in water usage? We live in SoCal and want to do whatever little part we can to conserve. Thanks
I think I found the answer on the "cycle guides" at Kitchenaid website. If I read it right the M series is more water-efficient, by a good bit on some cycles. Both energy star rated.
I bought a KitchenAid washer in 2019. My opinion? Let me put it this way: I will NEVER buy another KitchenAid product of any kind, ever. It worked well for maybe two weeks, and has been a nightmare ever since. Maybe they've improved since then, but nope nope nope.
2 huge elephants in the room in this video are that 1. food is constantly getting stuck in the water jet systems and the water pressure is weak (adding to the quietness of the machine). Not only do you have to thoroughly clean the dishes before you use the Kitchenaid, you have to remove the arms and physically clean them out after each wash (this is after having thoroughly cleaned the dishes, which is a huge pain and time consumer. Notice how he didn't show any dirty plates being loaded and cleaned? Cleaning the bottom arms are a pain but they do at least remove from the central turner. The top arms are all part of one piece. It's a crap shoot whether or not the food will come out of those. We didn't have the 3rd wrack system, so we had to use the basket for tableware. Our normal sized knives would block the arms from turning, so we had to load all of them on the far end of the basket. 2. It vents on the side and will warp and destroy your cabinets, which it has done to ours. Still trying to figure out how to proceed with this one. We now have a Siemens (fyi, Bosch, Siemens and Constructa are all the exact same machines, just with different branding) and this machine is a workhorse and does the job. We never have a problem with food getting stuck in the jets and the clearance is not a problem for normal size table ware. It also vents through the top. The Kitchenaid is quiet, much quieter than our Siemens and that's the only thing it's got going for it. Don't buy the Kitchenaid. It's a joke.
@@williamhickerson4316 Mieles are expensive, but their dishwashers are designed to last 20 years. Found in many luxury homes, they make some of the best dishwashers on the market. They are a German brand over 100 years old.
I reverse engineered one from the 1990's. I've never seen so much detail... over engineered by my standards. to expensive by my standards, I'll stay with GE....
Kitchen Aid has a panel ready model (KDTE304LPA) that may have come out after this video was made. @Yale Appliance - are you seeing the same alignment issues with paneling that specific model? Thanks for the video!
I remember when Kitchenaid dishwashers were the gold standard by which nothing else could ever compare. I do like the look of that new 3rd rack they came out with, particularly being a small household that rarely uses the lower most rack. I never liked the racks in European dishwashers, they always seemed very cheap and inadequate to me; however, a look at least at the more recent Bosches would indicate they have improved on that shortcoming. The drying system they use seems rather unique.
Amazing, that we purchased an Amana "basic" dishwasher a few years ago for $270.00..... it has multiple spray-arms. It thoroughly cleans dishes & it's dry-cycle is fantastic! Nuff said........
Bosch and Thermador are made by the same company. Thermador is the higher end luxury brand of Bosch, because you know--rich people need to feel special. Gaggenau is Bosch as well.
Had a KitchenAid from the 80's for 25 years. The rack coating failed in spots but the washer was still working like a champ with its sturdy Hobart motor. Replaced it with a standard Whirlpool model ten years ago. It still cleans very well and without ever having had a service call, so far. K.I.S.S. REALLY ENJOY your videos, btw. Love your style and presentation. Keep them coming.
Well maybe I want a light inside my dishwasher so the dishes don’t get scared of the dark while they’re taking a bath.
😂😂😂
Remember to light that dark cupboard ;)
Awesome, can you now please review my life and it’s meaning with the same depth and precision?
Hahaha 😂
Well Lucky...you have had a good life. Full of up and downs but generally positive..how did I do?
Kitchen Aid wash motor is of bad quality compared to the sturdy Bosch. I bought Kitchen aid dishwasher KDFE104DSS2. While it performed incredibly well, it broke down after 4 years and will cost more to repair. It also caused damage to my kitchen floor. I would not recommend Kitchen Aid to anyone. To my experience, I had a Bosch in my previous home and that thing is a beast. Bosch 300 or 500(not available due to high demand) are the best. Please DO NOT buy Bosch 800 (their new crystal drying method is a health hazard in the making due to the zeolite crystals in there). Zeolite is not all that great to be used at home(only meant for industrial use)
You might want to also talk about filtration. Kitchenaid, on some models has no filter for the end user to clean or replace. It has an innovative pump system which utilizes a mesh filter to separate soils from the water. Not so good if a large particle tears the filter but something to tell about I think.
Mine broke in less than 8 years.
Hope it's better than their mixers now-a-days. My first KA lasted forever and then I purchased a new one that broke within a year. They don't make them like they use to.
Excellent and timely video! Yours are the most informative I've found!
I've been studying your videos for the past several months, Bosch vs. KitchenAid. Been going back and forth. Was so close to buying the KDTM804 because of the better gliding tracks. Do you think the KDTM604 tracks are almost as durable?
Thank you very much. Wish you had a store near me.
To me it's hard to justify the price jump to the 804. No slight on the 804, it's just quite a jump to get there and the 604 is already so feature rich.
How about LONGEVITY ? That is what matters to me. Another Whirlpool brand?
Complicated. Normally when someone says that they mean how long will it last in my space without service. Service is going to needed for any dishwasher at any given point. It can happen in 6 days, 6 months, or 6 years. It doesn't mean it's not a good machine and give you plenty of good years, but appliances are not built for longevity nowadays... they are built for convenience. And convenience comes with a price... in the form of longevity. An average life expectancy for a dishwasher is about 7-10 years no matter who you buy and how much you spend on it. Miele probably makes the best machine on the market in terms of build quality because they own almost the entire process in house and still, I'd be hesitant to tell anyone their machine will last longer than 10 years.
We just bought the M604 and this thing is fabulous. So glad we picked it.
How is it holding, still happy? I was considering 800 series from Bosch.
Same... 2 years later haha. We'll see how it goes
Your vidéo is very informative, thank you so much,.I want to know much more about Fisher paykel drawer dishwasher plz
We will try!
As of 7/27/21 Kitchen aid is back ordered on every dishwasher but 1.
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Here I am in 2023 and have to wait 3 weeks for one, I still think is too long. 🤣🤣
After having 2 very expensive kitchen aid dishwashers fail(the 2nd one did much damage due to leak) I have switched to bosch.
Thanks for sharing!
After having a Kitchenaid dishwasher for 22 years without a failure and still running I decided it was time for a new updated model Kitchenaid. Funny how things work.
They're so quiet because they have weak water jets and no soft food disposers.. The side vents destroy cabinetry. Whirlpool (the manufacturers of KitchenAid dishwashers) will do nothing about this.
Grew up with a Harvest Gold Kitchenaid. It was still there and working when thechouse sold in 2022. I believe it was over 40 years old. That is a legacy.
Oddly enough, we had the same growing up
Great info!! Just moved, and thinking. I just LOVED my old KitchenAid, which was not new when I got it. Amazing dishwasher, and a workhorse. Much like the 200 Series.
Glad it was helpful!
I have a Kitchen Aid DW that is now involved in a Class Action suit. The plastic components dry out and break. This includes the rack wheels that fall off and the upper rack ball bearing fall out enabling the rack to fall down. So I am not understanding this review. Look up the things I have posted here.
That is common with Whirlpool dishwashers. We had a Whirlpool Gold dishwasher from 2006 that had the same problem. KitchenAid dishwashers have been made by Whirlpool for over a decade now. They used to be manufactured by Hobart.
Thanks for the informative video. I think my 8 year old KitchenAid dishwasher is past saving. I'm going to buy a third KitchenAid.
You're welcome!
We bought the model that hold cups and glasses on the top rack and VERY sorry we did. It does a terrible job with cups used for tea and milk. It doesn't clean them and we resorted to putting them on the second rack, which does a much better job. Also we put all out knifes on the top rack and they look horrible with some kind of staining that is almost impossible to wash off by hand. They were always fine in our replaced Maytag. The knife blades also got the staining in the basket, but NOT as badly as the top rack. We are using the longest cycle, rinse aid, dry feature and detergent in the prewash section. The top rack spray arms are too weak to really clean anything. I wish we bought the Bosch instead. I'm going to call Kitchen Aid and ask if we can return it for a refund.
Same here. Super disappointed.
That large 3rd rack is invaluable for young kids. No longer planning 2
Great point!
Thank you for the precise review. Nicely organized information!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Does anyone like the kitchenaid KDTM604 dishwasher? I am having a house built and would like to know if it is good.
We love the 604 dishwasher. It's one of the better American-style dishwashers you can buy and one of the better available dishwashers overall.
@@YaleAppliance1 thanks! I will more than likely purchase one! Thanks for the help!
Finally an intelligent, non-biased presentation. Thanks!
You're welcome
I wanted to know which dishwasher could work even if your hot water heater was non-existent at that moment or shut off
I would not be able to recommend a model specifically. What I can tell you is there is usually a small basin on the inside of dishwashers that heats water (roughly 130-160 degrees depending on the model/cycle/etc) but I am not sure how effective that would be if its hooked up to a cold water feed. I would assume not very.
Thanks, great vid. Are there any significant differences in water usage? We live in SoCal and want to do whatever little part we can to conserve. Thanks
I think I found the answer on the "cycle guides" at Kitchenaid website. If I read it right the M series is more water-efficient, by a good bit on some cycles. Both energy star rated.
No significant water usage gain/loss between models. Thanks for asking!
I bought a KitchenAid washer in 2019. My opinion? Let me put it this way: I will NEVER buy another KitchenAid product of any kind, ever. It worked well for maybe two weeks, and has been a nightmare ever since. Maybe they've improved since then, but nope nope nope.
Great videos my friend
Thank you 👍
Thank you! Great information.
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic Videos!
Thank you very much!
2 huge elephants in the room in this video are that
1. food is constantly getting stuck in the water jet systems and the water pressure is weak (adding to the quietness of the machine). Not only do you have to thoroughly clean the dishes before you use the Kitchenaid, you have to remove the arms and physically clean them out after each wash (this is after having thoroughly cleaned the dishes, which is a huge pain and time consumer. Notice how he didn't show any dirty plates being loaded and cleaned? Cleaning the bottom arms are a pain but they do at least remove from the central turner. The top arms are all part of one piece. It's a crap shoot whether or not the food will come out of those. We didn't have the 3rd wrack system, so we had to use the basket for tableware. Our normal sized knives would block the arms from turning, so we had to load all of them on the far end of the basket.
2. It vents on the side and will warp and destroy your cabinets, which it has done to ours. Still trying to figure out how to proceed with this one.
We now have a Siemens (fyi, Bosch, Siemens and Constructa are all the exact same machines, just with different branding) and this machine is a workhorse and does the job. We never have a problem with food getting stuck in the jets and the clearance is not a problem for normal size table ware. It also vents through the top. The Kitchenaid is quiet, much quieter than our Siemens and that's the only thing it's got going for it. Don't buy the Kitchenaid. It's a joke.
Which Siemens did you buy? I'm thinking of getting a Miele. Do you recommend Miele?
Umm..no. Cleaning the plates will mean your dishwasher won’t work.well..also Miele has a similar system, their Clean Dry..it doesn’t warp cabinets.
@@williamhickerson4316 Mieles are expensive, but their dishwashers are designed to last 20 years. Found in many luxury homes, they make some of the best dishwashers on the market. They are a German brand over 100 years old.
I reverse engineered one from the 1990's. I've never seen so much detail... over engineered by my standards. to expensive by my standards, I'll stay with GE....
Kitchen Aid has a panel ready model (KDTE304LPA) that may have come out after this video was made. @Yale Appliance - are you seeing the same alignment issues with paneling that specific model?
Thanks for the video!
Yes. All American style dishwashers protrude from the cabinets so the panel would fit/stick out the same way.
Another advantage is the self-cleaning filter on the KitchenAid
Great tip!
The dishwashers that don't have self cleaning filters are not a bother. They only have to be cleaned every 2 months.
I remember when Kitchenaid dishwashers were the gold standard by which nothing else could ever compare. I do like the look of that new 3rd rack they came out with, particularly being a small household that rarely uses the lower most rack. I never liked the racks in European dishwashers, they always seemed very cheap and inadequate to me; however, a look at least at the more recent Bosches would indicate they have improved on that shortcoming. The drying system they use seems rather unique.
Well said
I'm scared to buy a KitchenAid now and it's too expensive anyway.
@@Anjanya1948 for $1200 that thing better load the dishes and put them away too. Ridiculous...
Amazing, that we purchased an Amana "basic" dishwasher a few years ago for $270.00..... it has multiple spray-arms. It thoroughly cleans dishes & it's dry-cycle is fantastic! Nuff said........
Most people don't like noisy automatic dishwashers. You get what you pay for.
kitchen aid sucks. im never buying anything besides Bosch and or Thermador for any of my appliances.
Bosch and Thermador are made by the same company. Thermador is the higher end luxury brand of Bosch, because you know--rich people need to feel special. Gaggenau is Bosch as well.
@@erossinema8797 I'm positive its not more expensive to make the consumer feel "Special".